How South Korea Uses BTS for Their Military Propaganda
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- Recently, the South Korean military has been accused of using the members of BTS for the propaganda by the fans of BTS. This got even worse after Namjoon's controversial speech at the military camp that was leaked to the public.
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Neither BTS nor their company ever asked for an exception, there were talks about them getting an exception but they enlisted before it concluded.
Did you watch the video? It wasn't about that
@@user-ob2pd5rd7g The video does talk about government discussions for an exception
When asked about the exemption BTS always said they are Koreans first and will serve their country if and when asked for, its the kpopies and the Korean govt who made a Huge deal out of this whole issue for their own selfish agenda🤷♀️💀
@@cola5473 geen van de BTS leden wou in het leger ik denk zelf dat ze veel oefeningen die LISA dit niet kunnen doen
@tonymerckx2257 BTS members are Korean men first....even I as a fan wanted them to get an exemption if given but BTS never asked for one and day one when they were asked, they always say they will serve.....its not about individual wants...its something that's a must for them...its literally apart of their culture....as their country is still at war which can breakout again anytime....its like many us didn't want to attend school at times, but we had to as it necessary and apart of the things we must complete in life.
i remember namjoon posting DP kdrama in his story which the story is about the harsh reality in the south korean military
That show really made me cry. It's heartbreaking that there are men in the military being treated like that every single day. It may have been a drama but it was showing exactly how bad it can be and how disgusting the abuse and bullying is.
What it is the name of the drama?
@@vitorthegreatdreamer5563 “DP”
@@vitorthegreatdreamer5563 D.P.
I think the words of their translator speak VOLUMES. And the fact that some of you think they’re serving “happily” is really weird. You’d have a hard time finding a Korean man who would tell you that he was happy when serving. It’s one of the most traumatic experiences that one can go through.
thank you!!! When i said this i got insulted by 100 ppl saying that "but in front of the cameras they said..." "shut up they are proud of serving" people are so naive it scares me
sure, but let's not pass the message that mandatory service is a thing that everyone does happily and are proud of it@@swduc2836
I can’t relate but I do agree with you.
As I recall wasn't Hobi who was one of the first enlisted wasn't members who poisoned by a nurse in the training camp?
@@ladynikkieIt was Jin not Hobi
They just love music, now thyre in middle of politics
Right 😢
if they wanted to be apolitical (non political) they never should've went to the white house and rubbed shoulders with biden to pander to gen z lmao
Theh are so music not love music
i honestly just hope they're okay and gets through this
Why wouldn’t they be? They are just training, performing and doing military duties not getting punished or tortured.
Let's face it....if they are using BTS members as propaganda to encourage young men to be 'happy' about joining up, they'd darned well better make sure that all seven leave their service uninjured and without psychological scars, or it will backfire in them in a big way!!
@@hazelhyman1680It is hard to not suffer any injury and they should ensure safety for all soldiers not just BTS.
Uh.. they got through being trainees and practicing long hours until the body breaks down and plenty of idols have injuries whether you know it or not. Just found out Jihyo had knee surgery and I’ve never seen her slow down. They will be fine.. look at how Gdragon was able to gain some weight in the military.
They will do as well as Elvis did in the military. Unless NK literally invades they won't see a second of battle.
Funny because sk government couldn't decide on whether BTS should be exempted or not for months but eSports players were granted exemption in a heartbeat. It wasn't about whether BTS can be exempted or not, it was always about if not through military, how else can we exploit them. Kudos to BTS for not waiting for the government's decision 👏
it's because they needed bts for their propaganda
Its because esports players actually need that exemption way more. Sure bts is used for propaganda as well, but as I said esport pleyers need it and bts? not so much. Think about it this way, if faker stops playing his career is auto lost, and bts isnt in such situation.
@@skyethorgerson5150 Faker could have just restarted his career after his service, just like the rest of men. why should he be more exempt then anyone else?
@@aoifa_silverDragon stopping and starting an esports career is super difficult - not saying he should of been exempt but the esports landscape changes so incredibly fast. Also he is famous - maybe not on the same level as bts but definitely close
BTS has always been exploited in so many ways no matter where they are, as an Army it makes me incredibly sad😓
I saw a Korean guy on tik tok say that no one in their right mind would dare mistreat bts in the army because there are so many eyes on them and the backlash would be intense. I think there might be some truth to that bc the military already knows fans all over the world are keeping close tabs on what’s going on, and global media will report abt bts so any kind of mistreatment would be an embarrassment to the military and the country. I believe bts are being exploited for sure but I’m hoping that the Korean guy is right abt the mistreatment aspect.
Also they are millionaires . They can sue whoever tries to mistreat them till that person is dirty poor . So it could be unlikely that they would get harassed .
@maeum_maeum oh stfu about money and being rich. Why do idiots like you always worship rich people like they are Gods? It's gross. Money doesn't solve everything. Look how miserable and depressed rich people are. Stop idolising people because they're rich. It's weird. Suing someone for money and growing your bank account doesn't resolve mental health or trauma so just stfu.
Exactly and that is one of their perks as celebrities. Even if they got caught pick in their nose, it would be magnified into something big.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fjThat didn’t stop Taemin from being harassed, are you all dumb?
I think they’re just taking more information into account. A big point is that BTS are Global music stars. So so many more eyes are on them. Taemin getting mistreated won’t cause as much back lash (although there was still a ruckus in the fandom). If BTS are mistreated to such a degree(and probably more)…. well, the consequences will be Huge, politically, culturally. (Possibly globally because all Military and War will come under scrutiny.) think of the repercussions if N Korea all of a sudden makes a move.
I *THOUGHT* it was weird how I kept seeing AKP articles/posts about BTS, specifically V, non stop. And it was always stuff like "elite soldier", "special forces", etc.
I thought celebrities were supposed to go kinda dark during their service and yet EVERY week there was pictures of them, in uniform no less!
How can you not assume they're getting special, preferrential treatment? It's not remotely surprising they're being used for propaganda.
As a foreigner, it objectively seems gross and violating because even when they're supposed to be soldiers like any other guy, they're still just dolls used for others interests. They wouldn't even have been gone 2 years! And they still couldn't get a break of normalcy.
That app thing is particularly gross.
Yeah I was saying the same thing.
Где мелькает Тэхён или информация о нем после церемонии выпуска? Рекламные ролики - так это уже работа его менеджеров, как и раскрутка клипа с Айю. Информация же о службе ребят на 95% фейковая, и не исходит от официальных источников. Не думаю, что они согласились быть безмолвными куклами. Но, естественно, правительство использует информацию об их службе в целях пропаганды обязательной воинской службы, престиж которой в последнее очень упал в рейтингах
It’s a serious invasion of privacy of the BTS members in the military the media needs to be more respectful of the privacy of these young men just during their duty as Korean citizens
This has NOTHING to do with privacy. They're public affairs officers.
they say they should be treated like any other person who enters their stupid camp. Yet don’t protect their privacy? Absolutely hypocritical. They WANTED to exploit them.
well there privacy is never protected outside or not.
I've heard of idols being praised in the military but the fact that they're praising every single member one after the other is just so weird... And sharing all of their pictures without there consent is just scummy. And it's so weird that they can't earn money outside of military and the mistreatment will never be investigated because we all know how SK's justice system is like...
MANY OF THOSE GREAT PHOTOS HAVE BEEN TAKEN BY THE BTS MEMBERS' PARENTS TO SHARE ONLINE FOR THE BTS ARMY.
THIS INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR PLANS HAS BEEN SHARED IN AT LEAST THREE LOCATIONS. DUE TO THEIR PARENTS VISITING PRIVILEGES DURING THEIR BASIC TRAINING, WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED.
NOW THAT THEY ARE IN THEIR 18 - 21 MONTH ASSIGNMENTS, THEY MAY SEND PHOTOS TO THEIR PARENTS, WHICH WERE TAKEN BY FRIENDS AT THEIR NEW LOCATIONS AND HOPEFULLY GET TO SEE MORE OF THEIR MILITARY ADVENTURES.
THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY SEND US MORE PHOTOS THROUGHOUT THIS TIME PERIOD. ALSO, THEY'VE BEEN BRILLIANT IN HAVING PREPARED NEW VIDEOS FOR US!! I LOVE TAE'S NEW "FRIENDS!" IT IS TOTALLY LOVELY🌹!!!
❤😮😅😂😊😊🎉
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Even though im not a army its unfair how south korea uses bts to do this
BTS is the only weapon SK has tbh imo they should find a new source of revenue bc using those poor boys is toxic
@@TheSeriousAnalysistTo wcale nie jest wykorzystywanie ,wszyscy mężczyźni w wojsku przechodzą ten sam trening.
So... basically when they go to the military they should not earn money outside right? But BTS makes billions to South korea and that would be A ENORMOUS lost to the country, so the ministry let they make "events" to money keep coming in inside the country's pockets...
I've been ARMY since the debut and when people talked about military time I wasn't sad because they were going to stay some time without showing up, but my concern was exactly what would happen inside the military with them.
They'll receive good positions just for being who they are, so things can become really dark in there. I knew that their photos and videos would leak everywhere... my fear is what kind of photos.
Same..
To nie tak.Im w wojsku nie wolno prowadzić żadnej działalności jak dotąd.I słusznie i w porządku do swoich kolegów z wojska.Zadnych przywilejów!Jeśli mieliby nadal zachowywać się jako BTS to kiedy byłby czas na ćwiczenia,to w takim razie po co było iść do wojska.Zrobili sobie przerwę,przez jakiś czas są tylko żołnierzami.To co zrobili przed pójściem do wojska przynosi dochody im i agencji!
Martwisz się o nich? Czy oni nie są tacy mężczyźni jak wszyscy.?Kto się martwi o całą resztę żołnierzy służących w w ojsku?
Also let's not forget that it shouldn't even get to the point of people having to fake their medical records to evade time in the military. People should be allowed to choose an alternative (social) service based on moral reasons, even if they're healthy. South Korea is frequently criticized by human rights organisations because they don't allow this.
There should be no mandatory work whatsoever; whether you call it military service or social work, it is simply slavery.
Didn't the professional gamers just get exception for winning at the Asian Games? I know those guys are very popular too and bts didn't ask for exception but whatta slap in the face
I don't know what to think about it. My father served in the military when it was still mandatory in Poland. I know that it would be pretty traumatic for me to go to such place. I guess for half a year maybe, I'd be able to take it, but almost 2 years?? Hell no! I think nobody should be made to do such a thing.
I have nothing against preparing people for the unexpected, how to defend themselves, their homes, their countries, but abandoning yourself and your life like that? And for 2 years... ! You can't tell me that this is the best way to prepare people, in the times we live in.
I heard lately from an ex-professor from America, that students are allowed there to not be subjected to the material that "triggers" them and causes them anxiety.
On the other hand there are countries where military service is an obligation as soon as you turn 18.
I'm just thinking how crazy this world is.
Extremes, extremes, extremes.
Ive seen MANY korean men speak about how horribly traumatic military service is .
I really hope BTS are being treated well , or at least decently.. and that they're mentally strong enough to come out of it well .
The military industrial complex is terrible . And its horrible to men and everyone under it . I wish it didnt exist.
Everyone wants to exploit them, how hurt they must feel but have to hide these feeling that they have continually been betrayed by the very people they thought would protect them and had their best interests at heart. Hope they become very rich and powerful that no one will dare try this again in the future!!! Go BTS!!!
Wasn't the first time government exploited them. They were hugely taken advantage of with the Busan concert, check the back story on that one. They did it for free and Hybe had to pick up the cost to put the show on because the government was going to have it in a totally unsuitable place. One of the government officials in the area owned a lot of real estate around the bad site he wanted to sell at much higher prices after the concert. So of course the military and government will hold them hostage and get as much free use out of them that they can. So shameful and horrible.
BTS are proud korean citizens serving their country diligently with honour, they were always going to fulfil their military duties. Now their privacy as active soldiers must be respected, it's not right that they can be taken advantage of, let them serve in peace
yeah, i kinda saw this coming, that the memebers would used as a bait for other to not be afraid of the military, but i sure hope that the members wont be quiet about the problems millitary has, and it has a lot of those, and like said in the video, many idols have came out about the issues, but it seems that no progress was made in resolving it, because the amount of things being leaked just of them is crazy.
I'd understand if they posted some photos, maybe videos from their private pages, but as idols they cant do so, hence why Yoongi is basically gone from the internet at this point, as he does a different type of service, and thats what interesting, that everyone except for Yoongi are being leaked like crazy(or maybe i missed some)
There isnt pictures of Yoongi because it’s not easy to take pictures of social service agents. Pictures of Yoongi would be hard to get while pictures of the rest of bts are easy to get, I remember when Jin enlisted so many pictures & videos of him at the base were leaked because fans were using the military website to get those pictures & family members of fellow soldiers took pictures of him. Also fellow soldiers take pictures of military units training so that families can see them. Also, Even now I see pictures of jhope with other soldiers/ family members of soldiers all over social media.
1st of all, I feel like even if they would want to speak up, they can't. They're still in active duty. those other idols who spoke up, was able to speak about their experience AFTER their service, not during. And them refusing to do what was ordered to them would be considered as insubordination and can be used for punishment. So there's really nothing that they can do but to just follow orders.
Regarding Yoongi, he's not in active duty because of his shoulder injury. So it's a lot harder to take his pictures. Unlike when and if you're in active duty, the government is allowed to take pictures of you in guise of showing those pictures to "update the family".
First of all, they would not need to do that as many who will serve literally would have friends and family members that have served, so they can easily talk to them about it if they want to know how it is. My Taiwanese friend said that he was not scared prior to serving at all as he talked to all of his friends that have served already. I am sure BTS has done so too so they had nothing to fear. They do post messages and photos on weverse if you did not know that. Yoongi can post if he wants to too, but he just chose not to. The military is not a prison like many sadly think. They get vacation and can even travel overseas during vacation time if they wanted to.
@@lynseoltang1183They can talk about whatever and do post messages and photos on weverse. But yes, they will get more freedom to post and talk about anything after they are discharged. My Taiwanese idol wrote a whole book about his military experiences. There was both good and bad just like with everything.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj sorry but military means two different things for normal people and celebrities, many male idols have spoken out about how mistreated they were in the military with invasion of privacy and stalking and many other things, Taemin especially was traumatised by the whole experience, why do you think a male idol recently tried to fake illness to evade military duty? Korean People woundn't have taken such drastic steps to prevent military duty if it was all hunky dory and sunshines and rainbows in the Korean military💀
Well, they did actually agreed to serve even before the government came with the decision on giving them an exemption.
they were probably never going to get exempted anyway... it seemed to be just for show
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It's funny that this is talking about the photos of the members being posted without their consent, while posting said photos, if you aknowledge that posting them is an issue you'd think it would be an idea to not do the same?
I don't think BTS wanted to be exempted in the first place, in their recent Disney+ documentary, there was a scene around their concert in PTD in Las Vegas, where Jimin and Jhope were talking about the possibility of the next tour being in 2025 after their enlistment, if they weren't able to have a concert in Korea (during that time it was still uncertain if they can have a concert in Korea because of covid restrictions). In even in their other interview, they openly talked about enlisting hence why they didn't attend that meeting with all the entertainment agencies. I honestly think that their choosing to enlist is a wise decision because they don't have to bow their heads to any government officials and they can't use them.
I hate how they're always being used 😭
no one should be forced to be in any military no matter the reasons. i always say that theres always someone willing to do something so theres no need to force anyone to do anything. this applies to just about everything. even if there is a need still ppl shouldnt be foreced to do what they dont want. my fave idol literally cried about having to go into the military and they made him enlist sooner than planned at that. its no wonder that ppl keep trying to get out of it
We all wish that but sadly the world is not a perfect place. The Koreas are still at war and many forget that.
Nah i think its good for men in some countries to must go to military because of War risk. especiiiially south korea cause north korea is dangerous dangerous!!! They need to be prepared. And if no one would be forced believe me no one would join the military thats Not how it works. I know so from my own country. If the guys werent forced by law they wouldnt want to go and who will defend the country then? Us women? No thank u😅
Lol.There is a world outside your kpop bubble.It's a need for South korea for every civillian to be military trained,not a want.Learn tthe geopolitics of a country you are talking about before virtue signaling.
BTS are genuinely treated like slaves from both their label and their country. They both rely on BTS so much it looks like their entire future depends on them, for God's sake let those boys rest and go and find yourself another source of revenue 💀
Has anyone here ever served in the military? If not, then please do not speculate about how the guys feel. At graduation time, its natural to have pride in what you've done or plan to do in support of your country. BTS has always said that they would willingly serve and never took part, as we know of, in any talks in an attempt to get out of it. All of this is speculation, not fact. Please take it with a grain of salt until you hear it from the guys themselves.
I served in the military (not South Korea). I was drafted years ago. The miliary is not a nice place you want to spend more time in than necessary. It all depends in which military you serve but for the most part it is not an enjoyable time. Some people stay longer because the military can offer you career opportunities and in some regard "unique" experiences. A friend of mine volunteered in Afghanistan for 3 months.
a few things are kind of important to mention: there is no western military that misstreats their draftees en mass. That would be very problematic if they did that. The job of the military is to create soldiers not punching you in the face the moment that you arrive. If every man came home misstreated the military would have a publicity problem. I was not misstreated in the military nor have I noticed any misstreatment.
In general it is important to disguish between draftees and voluntary enlisted men. They are usually treated differently because they have a different type of "contract". BTS are draftees so they won't see the hardest part of the military. BTS certainly won't get any type of misstreatment since people would analyse every bruise they have. The south korean army certainly doesn't want negative publicity.
The fact that the army uses BTS for "propaganda" is something you should be familiar with if you follow Kpop. Do you believe that every product, every song, every service they promote is something they wholeheartly enjoy? Fuck no. The pop industry promotes everything that is popular or makes money. Idols don't show their faces for products because they necessarily enjoy them. The Military is doing the same. It is not as big of a deal than you might think. Kind of fascinating how people all of a sudden start calling something "propaganda" as soon as the military does it.
Isn't that unfair that Baekhyun's Pre-Recorded videos were not allowed to be posted and Seokjin's are getting posted every month? That is some clear use.
I was thinking the sameeeee!!!
Like how can it be fair when they are allow to promote but others aren't
So unfair
BTS are allowed to release music even when they are in military bc they are a million times more successful and popular than any other artist/idol/influencer in their country. They know BTS has a power that's beneficial for their country. That's why they are sucking up to BTS, it's honestly gross how they using the BTS who did more for Korea than their higher ups...
@@lmaoijbol Ikr! Law applies to every citizen even if he is the most popular or million times more successful. If they are✨doing this for ARMYs✨ which would absolutely not be true, then they should be let known that ARMYs won't die if they don't see them for a period of time, or if they don't get a song released by them., or a monthly pre-recorded message posted so that 'ARMYs won't feel sad or lonely'. Bruh just let them perform their duty peacefully. They will make a rapid success again for these hungry-for-money tricksters, if they are worried for that.
If they want to continue this behavior, then shouldn't we be expecting them to let the other groups also do the same?
I feel the difference may be, as I understand it, that Baekhyun's channel was monetized, and any release via that channel would therefore be deemed as generating private income. On the other hand, Seokjin's monthly videos are released for free via social media channels that are not monetized.
@@mahamfatima4402 you clearly don't know shit about BTS 💀 it's a unspoken truth that BTS can not be kept in same category as the other groups from their country. You know damn well why so let's not go on that.
So artists can't earn money with content and music whilst they serve in the army...but it's ok for the army to sell merchandise with a celebrities name on it....
I don't think it's the military using them, it's the media pushing for anything they can find concerning BTS. Some, like this video, is saying half truths, like "The Camp" app. The app does not belong to the military, it is held by a private company that saw BTS as a way to raise money to add move features to the app. These guys are experiencing something new and in it's own way, exciting. Remember, they haven't been interacting with many people other than those in the entertainment industry for the last 10 plus years, they now have a chance to feel more normal, like every other Korean. They do talk to each other on the phone, so they don't feel alone and can reach out to the other members when needed. They will come out of the military more mature and ready to take on the rest of their lives, as they will have had time to reflect on what they really want to do.
Другого способа подумать и общаться с людьми нет, кроме как в армии
Если выживут в этом кошмаре и останутся здоровыми. Синяк под глазом у Техёна, травма Чонгука, канализация и Юнги оставляют мало надежд на счастливый исход этого мероприятия.
Of course! It makes perfect sense; they’d be more useful being used as propaganda! I just couldn’t make sense of the decision to sacrifice the BTS earnings for Korea.
But, the rest, many of us did not know.
Worried for our seven.😔
I really got goosebumps,i hope our 7 boys are okay there and come back healthy soon. They really don’t deserve all this. I pray every day
“Without their consent” I hate to say this but the second they enlisted they became property of of the South Korean military. BTS don’t have to consent to having their photos posted.
But as for everything within the first minute… official photos, leaked photos, promotion announcements come with every celeb enlistment. Kboo and allkpop even talk about other groups and members achieving things so it isn’t just things known in fan communities.
But they HAD to enlist. It's not like they just decided to join the army just for fun. Also your excuse that they “don't have to consent to anything since they're in the military” does not make this situation any better. You're saying this as if they had a choice not to enlist other than buying their way through, which is something bts is against ever since day one. They couldn't just say “no i don't want to” or smth... It's not like they were fine with all of that, and just happily jumped in. If they didn't have to enlist, they'd still be active as a group. Hell, they literally said multiple times that they can't wait to be back together. Again “now that they're in the military, they don't have to consent to anything” is NOT an excuse. It just makes it worse tbh. Like why would you need to take pictures of them, post their meals, make military merch, etc? And the fact that they make a specific rule just so that the military is ALLOWED to make money and profit from soldiers is just worrying
Honestly, for all of u out there who thinks sk , is a good country, you need to go and do your research, in many cases the law never came to help ppl and get the justice
And yet HYBE is releasing video of BTS all the time during their military service. My understanding is that any money a draftee in the military makes would go to the government during their service.
i feel so uncomfortable
I thought South Korea is a free country. I can’t imagine spending few years in military
what in the world made you think that?...
@@yasminchan7425 think what exactly?
It is a free country. And in order for it to remain a free country it needs a military, otherwise it will be invaded and destroyed by NK with the help of China. Clearly you need to read up on your politics and history and learn about the real world, instead of having your head stuck in the clouds in your fantasy land where everything is all rainbows and butterflies.
I guess there's no free country after all
As an BTS Army for over 4 years I personally think that we should not support the leaking videos and pictures of our idols we should respect as they have told us
I agree it's worrying. However I wouldn't worry that much about namjoons speech. He speaks about cameraderie and strength. And the military IS important in sk. If he was asked to make a speech he would not be able to decline either and was he supposed to criticise his direct superiors? That's not how the military works. His speech is the least worrying thing in this whole mess
This is really upsetting due to BTS being one of the biggest boy groups in the whole entire world! Throughout the whole entire k community I've never seen so much pictures of a idle in their military services it's really weird!Hope all the best for BTS❤❤
Thank you.
I do not see a lie here. We have been watching this play out for a while. Jin nor BTS wanted to go to the military. Jin said he will do his duty. That means he will do what he is required to do.
It's better they get it all out of the way.
Why will the military use BTS as propaganda when joining the military is already mandatory in SK?
4:35 huh?? but bts is doing the same thing with pre recorded content from before they enlisted… how are they doing that if its illegal then?
When you got power and money everything is possible
Because he didn’t serve in military he served as a social worker so usually artists who serve as a social worker stay out of touch with everyone until they finish their duty because otherwise they’ll get criticized about every move they do!
Also, SM has no balls to protect their artists and their rights 🤷🏽♀️
@@_arlinda oh, tyy for explaining im now curious why yoongie is also doing that and his suchwita episodes keep getting uploaded nonetheless
This video is based on the past law. The law has already changed that celebrities can release content during the military service as long as they were filmed and recorded before joining the military.
@@iamandreasilva The thing is that people weren’t really mad at him for releasing pre-recorded stuff, but rather they were mad at him for serving as a social worker instead of as a soldier! From what I remember people were really mad when they found out and they said how celebrities and rich people can get away with this while the rest of us are obligated to serve .. so that’s why they would jumb at him at every opportunity they could (and the fact that there were other members of his group that served as a social worker didn’t help him at all) and I believe that is the reason why he decided to not post these videos
While when it comes to Yoongi everyone know that he broke his shoulder and had an operation that’s why they don’t mind him!
I'm a blink not an army but it's their foremost duty to serve the country and the fact they are happily doing so is definitely praiseworthy.
Plus it's so much better than being government's pawns because it's obvious that the government will use them for their own gains in exchange for military service. Busan concert is one example, that shit was so stressful for BTS and armys.
@@rusher0015 what happened then? ( I am kinda new so I don’t know much stuff)
@@rusher0015they still use them, I fear there is no safe way out for bts
@@roline.cunfortunately. I hope this time passes quickly and hope that they come back safe and sound. Fuck the sk government
My country also has mandatory military service and people complain about it. Many also just accept it as something they have to do. Without a doubt, they have shared and created precious memories and friends from military. But I feel it’s more of making the best of your situation and gain what you can from it. If enlistment is optional, most men wouldn’t have enlisted anyway.
So I’m sure same applies to Korean men (their enlistment seems much tougher than my country’s) and BTS too. They just make the best of it. I feel Namjoon could have been asked to give the speech and he because he agreed, he had “volunteered”. Because of BTS’s influence of course he has to say something politically correct, and positive mainly to encourage the soldiers.
I’m guilty as charged for indulging in all these news, but how their speech, photos and info keep getting leaked is sus af.
I thought it was weird that a lot of the members pictures were coming out and so many articles and videos considering their suppose to be in military training . Smh I just pray their okay and doing well cause this is ridiculous
This isn’t specific to BTS. It’s done with all celebrities that die their enlistment.
To clarify, yes it’s over the top with BTS, but using celebrities to try and soften the military’S reputation. I’m glad that this practice is being criticized because of BTS’s influence and loyal fans 😂
Army for the win!
Still saying they only show us what they want ,those boys are suffering, because their are alot of haters
I agree with you and my heart is hurting for them smh
First of all they're not "boys" anymore;they're man. they're all more than 25 years old. And second thing is they're the citizens of South Korea and being a male citizen they have to serve in the military their country is always in a danger zone
The entire debate about BTS being exempt is a moot point anyway as Suga stated he and the members were going to enlist after their world tour (BTS Monuments on Disney+), but the last leg of that tour was cancelled because of the pandemic and all of their plans had to be halted. Another point is that the media plays a huge part in this as well. The spectacle of seeing an idol go off to the military is huge in ratings and media companies have to reshape idol groups while a member is serving. Most of this blame can be placed on former Super Junior member Kangin. SM hurried him off to the military in 2010 to distract the public from his DUI, as if to say you can't continue to persecute him while he's in the army, also, buy this new album with the other members.
It’s quite strange cause the public are so fast on jumping on the preferential treatment for idols that the ministry often makes statements that they aren’t. But now with all these events happening you would think the public would be shaming them into hiding again.
As an international fan that never has to worry about another country an HOUR away from my border invading and causing a war? Im not nor do i feel any other international fans have the place to say anything🤷🏾♀️. The military, war, conscription is a KOREAN CITIZEN worry therefore doesnt need our two cents.
Finally, a comment with actual sense❤🙌
Even I kept wondering who’s always taking their pictures and posting dem because usually dey shouldn’t even have time for dat so wired I hope d boys are safe till return my God 😢😤🤦♀️
I'd like to ask ARMY not to share, save, post, etc any unofficial photos/posts/ messages of BTS while they're enlisted. Please DNI.
At this point, the SK Korean government should just abolish the exception system ( it isn't even a system, because there is no definite criterions to get exempted, at least, to my knowledge).
The SK Korean government NEVER had the intentions of letting them get an exception. They flip flopped too much on what they said, and their actions never matched their words.
It is true that BTS always said they would serve. BUT, they never had a choice BUT to serve. It is the law. Just imagine if they said they didn't want to serve... Imagine they amount of HATE they would have gotten for such a statement. south Korean and their government would have tried to get them canceled. K netizens are really unforgiving.
They have the mental and physical capabilities to have those titles (elite trainee, soldier), but I do not know if they got them because they really did good or because some higher up decided it was good for the military to have them in those position. Also, everything they say while in the military should be taken with a grain of salt. while serving, they are the literal B//%$%$ of the military. If they are ordered to jump, they have too. if they are ordered to talk nicely about the military, they have too.
Heavy on the last paragraph
There is criterion for exception for SK Military Service
-if you are the only man in your family and you have to earn money for the family
-if you are sick to the point where you can't get up
-if you're an athlete that earn gold medal in international competition (that's why the eSports guy get exception cause he earn the gold medal)
That's all I know CMIIW
BTS especially Jimin, Jungkook and Jin were all exceptionally good in sports and atletics before joining music so for them to achieve these high ranks in milotary doesn't seem fishy to me🤷♀️
I served in the military (not South Korea). I was drafted years ago. The miliary is not a nice place you want to spend more time in than necessary. It all depends in which military you serve but for the most part it is not an enjoyable time. Some people stay longer because the military can offer you career opportunities and in some regard "unique" experiences. A friend of mine volunteered in Afghanistan for 3 months.
a few things are kind of important to mention: there is no western military that misstreats their draftees en mass. That would be very problematic if they did that. The job of the military is to create soldiers not punching you in the face the moment that you arrive. If every man came home misstreated the military would have a publicity problem. I was not misstreated in the military nor have I noticed any misstreatment.
In general it is important to disguish between draftees and voluntary enlisted men. They are usually treated differently because they have a different type of "contract". BTS are draftees so they won't see the hardest part of the military. BTS certainly won't get any type of misstreatment since people would analyse every bruise they have. The south korean army certainly doesn't want negative publicity.
The fact that the army uses BTS for "propaganda" is something you should be familiar with if you follow Kpop. Do you believe that every product, every song, every service they promote is something they wholeheartly enjoy? Fuck no. The pop industry promotes everything that is popular or makes money. Idols don't show their faces for products because they necessarily enjoy them. The Military is doing the same. It is not as big of a deal than you might think. Kind of fascinating how people all of a sudden start calling something "propaganda" as soon as the military does it.
You see what you want - i saw clearly how worried and even scared BTS were before going to the army. And jhope wanted to go there before Jin is done. Also, never that kind of popular group being in the army so it's natural that a bunch of leaks will be. Jin and other members invested simply money in the army to get better conditions - food mostly known. Witnesses saying JK and Jimin look shy and distant, which is completely understandable. RM always was a best student, so i think he was just doing what he asked - he was really disturbed by going to the army.
I’m glad SOMEONE ELSE is saying something. I made ONE comment on another fan’s account about sharing some of the military photos of the guys and was ATTACKED by FELLOW ARMYS. I know army miss the guys but our first role as ARMY is to protect the guys before anything else including our own desires. I knew this would happen and am trying my best not to be sick to my stomach. I just hope that they guys come from this experience whole and safe. 💜
BTS have done more for South Korea than any other korean individual or group.
It is a slap in the face that sports people & classical musicians can get exemption but not a group of young men that have basically promoted ROKorea, more positively than anyone else in the history of Korea.
Don't belittle those who got exemptions because you're bitter BTS didn't get exemptions, too...
@@EverRoxas That's a whole another sentence.
@@EverRoxasyes these people really think they always have to beef against every person that gets exemption as if it's their fault. I mean do they understand their situation and how it is different from other professions? If an athlete takes a break from his sport for like 2 years he won't be able to play at the same level and his career would probably be over so if they do manage to earn an exemption what's their problem?
It's because they are BTS.... Jk totally didn't want to go....😢
I hope hybe sues them for a sh*t-ton of money for using bts' image through this app illegaly
HYBE's already gone after them legally.
@@eileencritchley4630 good, hope they get them bad
i would like to add the fact if bts was to be exempted then carats could could also say "exempt our idols!" and like that we would exempt every male group , even the ones who barely brought any pride to korea
Very impressed with this video, actually. It's a very complicated issue, the Korean military thing. From a strategic point of view, in a current political climate, with China waving guns around, Russia killing people, Israel killing people having mandatory military service in place does not seem like a dumb idea, for a country. But there is a steep price, it has a lot of extremely negative effects on Korean society because all the things men go through during the military. The whole military thing is to strip and break down everything you are as a person, and remake you into a sturdy, efficient tool for the military. Very damaging for a huge number of members of the society, and through them, the entire society. And the general public want celebs to serve like the regular guys, but they don't treat them like normal regular guys there. They treat them like they are zoo/circus animals. And those who outrank them just use them. I mean, put a bunch of men together against their will, cut them out of society, take away distractions, stress them out mentaly and physically to the max, and see what kind of environment you would get. They all are 1 step from climbing the walls and strangling eachother.
its so stupid that there are exemptions "but only for certain jobs"
It shouldn’t be forgotten that BTS next to other idols has a special place in South Korea.
They’re politically above being normal IDOLS. I don’t want to remind everyone about their numerous political actions which most likely wasn’t even their own will but to further SK‘s propaganda and relationship with other countries especially USA.
So it was obvious that SK would use every single bit of BTS to get their military going and let’s see, maybe they can even do something against the harsh treatment of regular citizen.
It all depends on them if they will speak out openly about their time on the military when they’re back, of course this also comes with great mental stress.
Let’s just hope they come back safely without a war starting in the middle of their enlistment.
The speech RM gave about him and his comrades looking at the stars or whatever reminds me of a letter of a soldier when WW2 started, I saw the letter because we had to practice using a document to depict the true life of a soldier under Hitler's rule and what propaganda never showed. This is just the same because they 'We had alot of fun chasing our friends as if they were enemies' but also that they had to feed the chief's ego for power, and when war came they backed away scared because they were fed lies and forced over and over, this is just the same, except we're all being fed lies openly without any hiding.
Sorry I gave such an example but I felt it was a same situation regarding military work not like actual war problems so don't come at me comparing RM's situation to WW2, i am not 😂
Readings news about BTS getting used as military propaganda just remind me of junhyeok character in KDrama "Prison Playbook" who similarly being used as a propaganda for a prison.
Quick question, if you are in the age of serving military but due to circumstances you are inside a prison for that period, did you also have to serve in military too???
where is dispatch. we need them to investigate this, and find out who the person or persons involved that leaking our young mens' stuff. Or Armys dig deep and out these culprits. and I had a feeling some dummy was going to try something. i just pray they are safe and I hope hype keeps having our guys backs. 2025 cant come fast enough.
The guys never asked for an exemption in the first place. Let them serve their military service in peace. Until we meet again in 2025, please stay safe & healthy Bangtannies!! Apo Bangpo 💜
I will never forget how Taemin struggled with anxiety & depression he took pills just to finish trough all that madness, exo & shinee did all that without the happy propaganda shiet bts is doing they get the woke media princess treatment..
I never heard one good story about the millitary service to me they just look terrified.
What’s sad is that Yoongi released a verse in a non-distributed song a long time ago about how the draft is basically a possible death sentence in the name of civic duty for young Korean men, because at any moment, things could turn bad. Yes, SK military members usually get by fine, but a draft will always be the forced participation in something that could turn violent at any moment.
His verse was to all men, not just himself, and he never fought against serving even if he was critical of the draft because he knew he had to, but to use any of the members as propaganda is vile.
I know they probably will be fine as far as harassment and as far as possible war. The issue isn’t the risk. It’s the implication. It’s the deception to the citizens that the draft is a wonderful thing.
One last interesting thing: I see all the posts about BTS’s success, but not much about him, and Yoongi actually is now a social worker under the military. It could be due to his medical condition, as he has sustained many injuries and chronic health issues over the years. I feel given his mental health issues, it’s probably the best route for him.
I think this military service is a huge reason why SK has a low birth rate I’ll say this now yes it’s not the only factor but if you pull men randomly away for 2 years how are they going to find a partner ? It’s impossible to date if you haven’t served yet I’m sure women would be less interested in you because why wait for someone for 2 years also if you have already served you basically have to start from scratch with your life again. I know they are at war with the north but if you have no new men coming in because lack of birth’s pretty soon they are gonna force women next to serve it’s only a matter of time
That is not true at all. It is only 2 years and even less in some cases not 20 years. My Taiwanese friend served and many of my Taiwanese idols have all served. They are all happily married and continuing their careers and lives well now. People can find a partner after and continue their current relationships too. Some do wait so don’t think people don’t. My Taiwanese friend studied in the US and served in the military which all added up to 3 years. His girlfriend and now wife waited for him. They are now married with 2 kids. I told my Korean boyfriend that I will wait for him when he serves too. My late dad served and had 9 kids. Going to the military is not a meet all end all.
This is such a stupid statement.
Men and woman in the military are notorious for having sexual relations with each other, and whenever war broke out, thousands of illegitimate children were made and abandoned by their fathers.
You act like these men are locked away for 2 years, they get holidays, they interact with people outside of the military. GOT7's JB was messaging some random instagram influencer not too long ago and she leaked the messages, he said in one of those messages that he has nothing to do since he's in the military.
I can't believe you tried to link 2 years in service to low birth rates 😂 you must be a child.
With the way North Korea threatens South Korea, I do not blame the Government for trying everything to make sure the men serve.
It's a very sad reality but unfortunately, it's important for South Korea to protect itself and the only way they can is through military.
There is no doubt that the privacy of BTS is being violated and as an ARMY, this is really frustrating.
And I also hope that the South Korean government work hard to improve the lives of their military service men
They're not trying enough seeing as they exempt thousands of no names each year including their sons and the president himself.
Tens of thousands are exempted every year.
Korean politics and culture are very complex.
even idols in the past have been harassed in the army there are more nuances to this of course but it’s not flowers and rainbows
BTS said years ago that they would serve. Even if they were granted an exemption they would have to go or the backlash would be massive. So I'm not surprised the military is using them!
Bro they just love music and are artists.
I’ve been giving these boys a propaganda for years
11:39 one of the attendance for sure
This is absolutely disgusting and it’s not an exception in korea.
I am so worried for HOLLAND as openly gay idol in a very old-fashioned and also homophobic environment such as the military.
If TAEMIN as an androgynous icon had to suffer mentally, HOLLAND will be under so much fire.
He even went on hiatus and admitted he tried to delay his enlistment because of his concerns in the military.
Let's get something straight here. There are different jobs/specialties in the military. You can be a mechanic, electrician, plumber, rifleman (front line), artillery crew, driver, radio operator or a public affairs officer. Public affairs officers will be involved with the public image. Idols are fantastic public affairs officers. Why? They've been dealing with image from the get-go. It's their job. Pictures of you will be used for public affairs, especially if you don't look too bad. The way conscription works in South Korea, if you're a mechanic when you've enlisted you will be a mechanic in the army after basic training.
If you want to start a business, enlist when you're 18 or after you've just finished university.
Some laws need to be updated. In the case of prerecording videos and releasing them while in the military, that should be allowed. There can be some basic regulations too.
BTS shouldn't have been exempted. That's the law. Not all classical musicians get exempted. BTS made a lot of money while promoting overseas. It WASN'T about South Korea.
K-Pop fans should stop complaining.
So it’s ok that gamers just got exempted but not BTS who have brought more global prestige to Korea than any other entity? You sound like you don’t respect BTS or their music. You’re probably ok with soccer players being exempted tho.
So that explains how a literal lowlife gamer can get exempted but not a citizen who has brought in so much wealth and recognition to their country by becoming global superstars?? lol get that hate of your heart for BTS then try to make a logical comment.
Так учли специфику профессии ребят, что послали в артиллерию. Для улучшения слуха
They shouldn't be serving. Even the country's leading economists spoke out and said BTS serving was going to cost the economy greatly, cause major job losses across multiple industries, and push South Korea closer to recession, yet the government still made them serve. That's political leadership clearly failing to put the nation's best interests first.
It's not my judgment. That call was made by the country's leading economists. @@Osterochse
While I may just be a casual kpop fan I cant help but feel like impact/popularity of kpop has dropped dramatically since BTS enlisted. There doesnt seem to be any "IT" groups in kpop right now. I do see potential in TXT, XG and New jeans but I dont see their companies treating them like Big Hit treated BTS which is odd as Im pretty sure TXT is from the same company.
BTS got the X factor thats why they are so big🤷♀️
As someone who has researched Kpop and seen it for a long time I agree with you that there hasn't been a group that come out of the lot and got a hold of the world as BTS has and had since the members are all enlisted. Even when V/Taehyung enlisted, it was such a big deal in his home country. So it feels like many are just waiting for them to cb and casually listening to kpop now or just went out of it. Not everyone ofc. I'm just saying there's a bit less hype on Kpop than ever before.
I don’t think it dropped much.
Very informative. Thank you!
bro its the army, not lala safe place land.
What can we say...it's the way they act
What act?
@@BELIEVER78989 if you don't get it,you don't get
I agree they are using them for Propaganda.
People need to realise that SKorea and NKorea are still at war. Why are you all surprised that they use BTS for their goals.
exactly
This was everything wrong that people knew and expected.
4:10 I think he started his own business because he wanted to try and get out of enlisting somewhere else ... who else thought the SK Military would take advantage of BTS??
Wow at first i think serving in military was more like a duty and nationality from every korean man. But from here i just learn how screw up military actually is, not allowed making money outside military and it was illegal??? Bro? Are you for real? Wooow it must be hell for majority of the man who serve in military there. I just watch D⭐P and bruhhh it open my eyes. If the movie that got ok from sensorship in Korea is like that, the real thing gonna be way more crazy right.
Now I don’t care what anyone says. I am not even a fan. That speech from Namjoon sounds like it’s STRAIGHT out of a propaganda machine. It’s absolutely disgusting. I sincerely feel bad for the members and I hope that Army will continue to support the members as the face this clearly unfair situation.
Y’all didn’t know that K-pop has always been used as a tool of the government?
Soft power…
It’s weird that people are somehow shocked by this
Or suddenly disturbed about military service now when it affects your faves…
I think either way South Korea should make it so NO ONE is required to serve in the military, and instead people should want to voluntarily enlist.
If you really want everyone to be prepared & military ready, add a mandatory class for Highschool & University's so everyone can be prepared in the worst scenario whether they're a Male, Female, Non-Binary, etc.
It's the best for both sides.
Do you that High School in Korea is already hard enough right? With so much case of su1cide, they're getting ready for school at morning and going home in the night and don't forget cram school if they need for university exam.
If the High School or university students add mandatory class for military as you said it's going to be hard for them to focus to study and the mandatory military class
They're getting paid by the government if they serve the military so its good for the people with bad economy😅
@jagadekosamudro5758 You bring up very valid points. I still, however, think an extra 30-40 minute class is WAY better than being forcibly enlisted into the military for 2 years straight of being mostly there instead of at home, with friends & family, and their dreams & passions that they spent long and hard to achieve.
If you know, I would love to know what the average school subjects/classes a high school & University student has to do, for it to be that long?
And, if there's a less important class, the government could replace that class with a learning military practice class or just shorten all of the classes so it could fit in there.
@@Originul_ sorry I don't know how they make their classes so long I think it's already in their curriculum study maybe you can search it in TH-cam
But for university students I think it's more flexible
I really worried about BTS. 😢
Its the armies who made this mess not military or media constant intervention creates mess
I wish BTS was treated better. They deserve much more.
And if to speak about donations of Music Industry to the Country - is it Music Industry donating money or is it members of groups like BTS who with their sweat and health and blood carry heavy loads on their young shoulders,put their health and bring money to companies like HYBE ,receiving from the big money that young artists earned as a percentage 0f less than 10%. And the owners of the Music Industry companies treat young teenagers and youth like masters who ,without conscience,hold young people by the throat, having a contract signed by the youth ( or their parents ), where the youth unknowingly agreed to enslaving conditions.
Agora eu fiquei com uma dúvida... Na época a SM teve que retirar todos os videos do Baekhyun do ar para não ter ganhos extras nem para empresa e nem apra o idol com o risco de ser processada, mas Hybe até hoje solta contudo do SUGA no YT e pelo visto está tudo bem. As regras mudaram em relação a isso?