What do you think of the latest Sony news? Are you priced out of the PS5 Pro at $700? What about Concord? Are you shocked they already shut the game down? Thanks to The Perfect Jean for partnering with us. F your khakis and get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code CUPODCAST15 at theperfectjean.nyc/CUPODCAST15 #ad
An over reaction when people have money to buy $1000 iPhones, subsidized or not. Or if you've played WoW your entire life, People's concepts of the value of money may be different, but they are SPENDING, regardless.
The actual noticeable differences in power and graphics are growing slimmer between each new generation of gaming. PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 all had very noticeable upgrades between each console...PS3 to PS4, noticeable increase in graphical fidelity and a few other things. However, the jump between PS4 to PS5, has been laughably lackluster. At that point most people were, and are, better off spending that little bit of extra money to just make the switch to PC.
@@xdjrunner I am going to stick with consoles, just for the ease of it. I am going to stay with Xbox because all of my friends are on that platform, but I prefer the PlayStation. Everything is going to increase in price. Due to inflation and hardware updates, I find it ridiculous that people are shocked by this price increase. The industry is backing on the future of gaming being on a streaming service and not disc based, which bums me out. I can bypass it by purchasing a 4k disc player, but I prefer the all in one platform design. I have since the PS2.
Sony always did have a lost grip on reality. They let the success of TLOU 1 go to their head and made or "" suggested "" any big AAA game to go to the 'boring made for cable streaming route' with its creation, jacked up prices, censored games galore and ran remake games into a brick wall While E Coyote style. Id call it poetic justice but its really just sad. $700 is too much of a price tag for a half-way point life cycle console for games that are just shader graphic updates.
Sony has no competition That is the only business reason that makes sense. But I guess it is easier to try to "go at the king" If only more people criticized Xbox instead... Guess they don't care about that console.
sony has no soul, this is nothing new and to be expected. considering how they are on the ropes in the public arena they are going to attempt to blow this up bigger than what it actually is
@@xdjrunnerthey have conpetition they are just cocky. If Sony didn’t have competition you wouldn’t see the shift towards service based games. They have to find a good middle ground when it comes to making money otherwise the competition will edge them out. Both Nintendo and Microsoft have found what works. Xbox even before the ABK deal was set to surpass Sony in virtually every metric outside of hardware sales, which don’t matter much. Again the competition is there Sony just feels they can do what they want because of fans.
At the very least. Acquire a base firmware console. Wait until a hackable firmware exists. Also purchase the console secondhand so Sony doesn't get your money
@@Wings80 PC is the exception. I don't think the servers of steam is going to be discontinued anytime soon. Console servers can go down anytime. And have no real way to back up your games. Unless custom firmware releases for it.
Ian, you missed the even ballsier nickel and dime move than the $80 disc drive..... charging $30 for the vertical stand 😂. The full package Pro is $810 WITHOUT tax, and that's just in the US. Its even worse in Europe, UK, Canada when you convert the currencies from USD to their regional equivalent!!
Apparently Colin Moriarty is now saying a insider source from Concords development team, is now saying Sony actually spent $400,000,000 (almost 4X initial reports) on Concord! 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Its BS. The story dosent make any sense. If the figure included the studio buyout, maybe. But the guy went out of his way to say it was 400 for development.
@@paintsius Ok, lots of consultants & outsourcing but 400 MM deep? Plus the whole story doesnt make sense. Basically its goes that these guys where 200 million long years into game development with no where near a finished product. Then Sony comes along sees the situation & goes this looks like a winner will buy the studio. Aaannndddd... Rushes development while sinking an extra 200 million. Non sensical. If at least the guy tells me thr 400 was with the buyout & game cost it would be more plausible.
Every actual reporter is saying some details line up and don’t doubt his one source is someone who worked on the game…but the 400 million number makes no sense common sense wise and all their sources are saying that’s absolutely not the number. Colin not having common sense about budgets makes sense considering he’s a libertarian (I’m a recovering libertarian lol).
Scalpers lol. I'm no expert but I doubt this thing will have high demand. It's not a new generation of console and it's barely more powerful to pay double the price of a PS5 if you include the stand and external disc drive. I love upgrading to new hardware and a performance increase but this thing is absolutely not worth it at that price point. I'm also a console person that doesn't play PC but you'd be a fool to not just get a powerful PC instead of this thing. If it were $600 base with the disc drive.... Maybe.
@calinator51 Yeah any of those scalpers will have a tough time turning a profit. They'll be paying 15% ebay fees, so on a, let's say, $800 sale, there will be $120 in fees. They'd have to get at least 900, and I don't know how many people will line up to pay near a grand for an incremental upgrade to the ps5 that doesn't even have a disk drive. Anyone who buys these to resell is making one hell of a gamble.
@97Retrogamenerd I'm assuming most of them will find workarounds for that. They can write off the initial purchase and fees, so they'll only pay tax on the profit. Unless you're talking sales tax, which yes would increase the cost to the buyer another $60 or so.
Sony will sell out of the PS5 Pro in a week, simply because the fanboys will see "PS5 Pro 30th Anniversary in PS1 colors" and throw their CCs at them. Never underestimate the power of nostalgia and collectables.
I blame Digital Foundry for convincing normal people they can actually see minute differences between releases (without a side by side, a zoom in and explanation).
😂right I mean I do love DF because they give you the specs on things like this which is great. But yeah their side by side comparisons and nitpicking minutia is where I usually fast forward because that’s just dumb. However them giving you specs on the pro at 700 vs what you could get for 2-300 more on a PC is what I am there for.
@@michaelmiller4105 Don't get me wrong - I do love DF. Especially DF Retro. But it's kinda hard to argue that (inadvertently or not) they did add fuel to fanboy fires where the argue and bicker over tiny things. Personally, I game on PC at 1080p60 and I'm as happy as a pig in shite. Don't care about 4K, Ray Tracing, HDR etc... Have a PVM for the retro games but for modern stuff, I left consoles behind once I saw that XBone reveal. Instantly killed not just my enthusiasm about the Xbox One (I loved my 360), it killed my enthusiasm for the wider industry knowing that most of the BS of that day would be reality at some point. And now - ten years later - the majority of it exists and is ubiquitous.
@@Noobsaibot21 yeah man give me 60fps at 1080p and I’m good to go. I do hate that I’ve gotten so used to 60fps it really does suck sometimes having to go back to 30.
No one is suggesting you should. I dont understand whats happening but people are missing perspective. Revisions/new models of game consoles have been pushed since the 2nd generation.
@@mobious01Problem is, I don't know who it IS for. I've bought every single PS system at launch since PS2, including the 5. I've also bought the pro model when it came out for pS4. My Ps3 was the 60gb model, and my 5 is the disk drive version. I'm a die-hard, 'top of the line version' Sony buyer. I'm not picking up a ps5 pro for myriad reasons. If they can't even get ME to buy one, who is this for then?
I think the modern AAA game industry fucked itself by prioritizing graphical horsepower (life like graphics) over games that are still fun to play with unique art styles that are shorter and cheaper to make.
Agreed. I don't want realistic graphics. Yeah they're nice to look at sometimes, but I play games to escape reality. I'll take a fun indie game or JRPG with cool art style over any of the latest AAA slop.
Nintendo also kinda showed the other console makers that you don’t ever have to reduce prices and people will still pay it. The switch was outdated hardware when it released and here it is still at the same prices
"You don't have to worry about upgrades" is supposed to be one of the convenience features of consoles. Anyways here's the PS5+ which we hope can actually play PS5 games.
The difference with the Pro is it's not the PS6, so it's for die hards who want a better experience. Quality mode is always 30fps and performance mode is either 60 or target 60. Both have had issues as graphics get more intense, as with Wukong, FFXVI, and Rebirth. The Pro is meant to meld these two modes together. You get the visual fidelity of quality mode at 4k with the 60fps of performance mode. The upgrade puts the Pro closer to a PC with a 4070, which as a single component costs about $800, so to get a console doing the same for $700 is a pretty good deal. You can skip the Pro entirely though, so I don't get the complaints. Many skipped the PS4 Pro, which sold 14 mil, and just stuck with the base PS4. Same will likely happen here.
I never thought of the fact that there is no reason to buy a second controller. That was a big money maker. I wonder if the battery life is intentionally short so that people buy a second controller. One to charge while you play the other.
Ian's point that we have diminishing returns on hardware is true, because the amount of money and manpower it takes to capitalize on the highest end hardware is ludicrous. AAA games need 5+ years to make along with hundreds of millions of dollars, so the number of games that really truly utilize this is low. All that being said, I see the appeal of ps5 pro because as a ps5 player it does matter to me that a lot of the games don't run at 60 fps or don't consistently run at 60 fps. So for me the upgrade to pro would be more about the FPS than the fidelity.
It's been a really long time since graphics genuinely wowed me on some sort of technical level. I opted out of buying a PS5 and/or Xbox Series because they weren't any sort of major leap forward. I really do think that Nintendo have proven their strategy over the last 23 years made good business sense. They have probably saved billions of dollars in game and hardware development by not chasing resolution trends and other visual bells and whistles. I still play my PC games at 1080p, as there's no reason to tax my CPU if I'm not going to notice a significant difference.
FOMO is a powerful thing. But often wait until it's blown over and when the dust has settled it's often a sobering chance to look at something objectively without the noise of internal need to get one.
showed my girlfriend NWC avgn episode for first time and she said this is best episode so far. Great to see you guys doing podcasts again I personally really missed you
Pat's always a bit biased against everything that isn't Nintendo. He mentions the memory card thing as if it was only Sony, even though Nintendo did the same thing up to the same time as Sony.
Yeah, but this was really only a problem with Gamecube and for some N64 games. Wii and Wii U had internal memory, and if you needed more, you had the SD cards. Playstation 1 and 2 need their own cards even if you play PS1 games on PS2. PS3 did away with it, but games got bigger and bigger, leading you to have to buy an external drive, which are much more expensive than SD cards were.
Depends on 'trouble', running developers away, quietly closing studios abroad and indi developers, then over pricing? That's enough trouble to have more Red Flags than a CCP parade for anyone looking their way.
They are definitely in trouble in the long term (especially given Japan economic and aging population woes) as far as their gaming devision goes if they can't capture the younger audience. Because the bulk of there current supporters are older Gen Z who started on PS3 (or late in PS2) and Millennials who grew up with the first PlayStation (primarily 21-34). In 2023 The elder Millennials and Gen X player base in general (all platforms) fell off a cliff. This is represented in many different analytics and statistics sources. Some day it was world events, others say it was the youngest of them sliding into middle life, and more people in that bracket (late bloomers) finally buying homes or having kids. Regardless, the existing Elder Millennials and Gen X player base are leaning towards retro and PC, while their kids (Gen Alpha and Youngest Gen Z) are not interested in consoles as a generation. There are outliers ofcourse, but most kids today idolize Streamer, tokers and TH-camrs who are all on PC and Mobile. They want to be were their friends are, and that's on PC and Switch. Their generation has different priorities that Sony is not fulfilling. They want to play online social games with their friends and muck around on the internet and content creation. They don't care about physical discs, or graphics or expensive hardware (necessarily). My own teenage kids, my brothers grade-school age kids, my cousins kids (one a senior in High School and the other collage age), and all my buddies kids... even the kids who are friends of my children... they ALL would choose a new phone or computer over a PS5 Pro. The games they like and the people they play with are not on PlayStation or Xbox. And more importantly, they can't make content or use the Internet and all their favorite apps (like discord) on there. I asked my 13 year old if he wanted Spider-Man 2 Bundle w/ PS5 digital Edition (it was on sale) earlier this year for his birthday.... instead he wanted Skark Cards in GTA Online, some currency-or-whatever for Dead by Daylight, some Vallorant currency, a chicken costume for trolling in Final Fantasy XIV (a MMO) and a Digital Copy of Super Mario Wonder (which he barely played). The rest of the money he wanted gifted to his wallet on steam, and I'm pretty sure he just bought more currency for his online games. I say this because, just a few years ago the Elder Millennials and younger Gen X who just dropped off recently were still the dominate buying power in gaming. It shifted THAT quickly, as they aged out almost over night.... the same is going to happen to the upper half of Gen Z sooner than later. With out the buying power of Gen Alpha and the Youngest Gen Z, there is no one keep keeping PlayStation as it is going - certainly as it becomes a even more expensive hobby.... And right now, neither console manufacturer (Nintendo is a handheld, IP farm and lifestyle brand) is appealing to kids like they did with the younger incarnations of Older Gen Z, Millennials or Gen X in prior decades. That most certainly is a issue, and I don't see Sony doing anything about it. And it will infact take years to sway and change the tide even if they started right this instant. The current crop of fanbois and loyal supported WILL thin out in the next few years, and a hardcore PlayStation minority of aging middle-aged men cannot keep a brand that costs multi-billion dollars a year to run, afloat. That's also not to touch on the fact that traditionally Sony as a parent company made most their money from licensing film and music and producing media storage mediums. Their ViVo computers walkman, stereos and TVs had a profitable time, but have historically been loss-leaders. Right now, they are struggling and loosing mounds of cash on their production of electronics, AND in the last three years (because of dwindling interest in physical media and watching films in theaters) they had temples down their music, movies and disc manufacturing. So while in September 2024, PlayStation and Sony are not going anywhere... they are only really fine right now. Their future outlook isn't good by any measure. Both from a demographic perspective in Japan (employees and expertise) and a product strategy with the newer generations coming up now. Sony has some major decisions to make, and non of them easy or predictable. And as far as the PlayStation brand goes... it's not a forlorn given that they will always be around. There was a time before 1994 where gaming existed and playStation did not.
Correct. I’m not even going to read that novel that one dude wrote, but let me know when the stock goes to 0. But so far not even a blip. Remember Sony is a big company, only a third of which ,is related to video games.
Xbox is going to do the same thing. These consoles/companies are getting gamers ready for all future game releases being developed on the Unreal Engine 5. The PS5 pro is one hundred dollars more with a disc drive, which many of us older gamers still have blu-rays and 4k disk movies/concert performances.
Another big difference with the current console era is that they’re all basically the same architecture and similar hardware. Consoles used to be quite different from each other and the developers had to learn more about the hardware in order to really take advantage of it, whereas now it’s just a matter of software support and broad optimization. They should just start selling computers at this point.
This is no excuse but it explains a lot of what is happening with the price lately... People have no money but they have no problem getting a new phone eveyry 2 years that cost 1 to 1.5k? And everyone in the family, even the dog now, has a phone!! How can anyone be surprised that price are going up? Customers are clearly sending the message they have too much money in their wallets... So I understand Sony's pricing. Don't get it wrong, I think this is a sick situation... My comment is only a perspective to start a discussion. Nothing more!
@@tableofbeer7259 I know, having a discussion is the worst thing you can do in 2024. Then, some Americans wonder why a con artist is about to be re-elected...
The economy sucks right now. Most people are not gonna buy a $700 PS5 Pro, then the external disk drive, and then the $80 or more PS Plus. So long as Nintendo doesn't screw something up, this will be easy for them.
People really forget how underpowered PS4 / XBONE consoles were at launch. Some AAA titles not even running at 1080p and it only got worse as time went on. I think the real problem here is that the base model PS5 / Series X are actually very powerful for what you pay for them. ESPEICALLY if you pick one up used. I got my PS5 for $260 and ended up performing some repairs to it but even if I paid someone the $100 to fix the HDMI port vs doing it myself... that's $360. It's an insane value for what it is capable of. 4K60 on todays newest and flashiest triple A's might be out of the question but so what. Give me 1080p upscaled to 4K then. Or allow me to dial back other things to make 4K60 possible if I don't care about draw distance as much, or relections and lighting. PS5 PRO at nearly $800 is a very tough sell. My PS5 was a gamestop bundle which came with 3 games (hitman, marvels avengers and miles morales) as well as a 2nd dual sense. I think they were $690? IIRC It's not enough of an upgrade for me to drop alll that extra cheddar. And finding a PS5 disc drive seems hard today. They aren't making that many of them. Or scalpers are thinking these PS5 pro will be selling out.
“No more price drops on consoles, even long after they become cheap enough to make a profit on console sales. No more price drops on games, even if they’re seven years old and everyone has a copy. No more “greatest hits” games being sold at a reduced price. Let’s just pretend like everything came out yesterday forever, and charge the hell out of the customers as if it did.” - Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft Sega and Atari would never do this to us.
Sega already did and Atari printed games which caused them to fold. Sega games always stayed at 60 USD until the console got canned. Genesis standard prices, Sega Saturn games and Dreamcast. When they failed the third time in the console market and announced discontinuation of support did the games come down and in bargin bins
After loosing 400 million on Concord, i don’t think Sony can afford to lose money on the console. I think it wasn’t this expansive, but the circumstances made it to be. On Concord, in order to have a profit sony would need to sell more than 10 million copies…
You may say the have the iCloud but theent apple makes their own proprietary memory card and an expandable slot in the new iPhones they're gonna make truckloads of money.
Ian does make a good point. I’m kinda of a casual gamer in the way that i never have to buy the newest console on release day, im usually about a year or so late but ive always gotten one with some kinda price cut or bundle there hasn’t been anything yet with the ps5 except god of war or zero dawn. Everything i want to play has still came out for the ps4, maybe the next resident evil game or gta6 might have me get a ps5 but this definitely the longest i ever waited to move onto next gen
And once again, they forgo a conversion in price, so it's £699.99....aka $932... Fuck Sony. This is the FIRST time I'm not buying a Playstation console in 26 years. Not to mention I'm all about Physical media, so I'd need to spend another £99.99 ($133.06) on a disc drive. So over $1,000 just to get an upgrade to a console that I've only had for 3 years. I am beyond pissed with this announcement.
The biggest problem with the games industry is scope and budget of games. They could release a modest sequel to Chrono Trigger.. hell.. just a HD-2D one.. spend less than a year and less than $1 million on it and likely rack up 10 million + sales.... Instead they want to spend $70 million on some bullshit AAA HD nonsense
Based on my own teenage kids, my brother kids, my cousins kids, my friend-groups kids and what I can see of my kids friends: (although there are exceptions) I seems that the generation or two of kids today generally don't care about consoles. Their favorite idols are streamers, clock app people and TH-camrs who game on PC or mobile, and they want to be like them. All of their friends play on either PC or Switch, and at the end of the day, they want to spend their time playing with their friends or mucking around in content creation online. It's mostly older Gen Z people and Millennials who seem to hold onto these current gen consoles most. Most my Gen X friends are not gaming as much anymore and for them it's all about retro. So I don't look for the kids today to save these companies so long as they are not offering them what their generations prioritize... and that's not graphics, super expensive hardware or overpriced discs.
So if they have pulled it this early and refunding physical copies, willl this be one of the most expensive rare games to complete future PS5 collections?
There is no way in hell the PS5 hardware is sold at a loss. Just no way. I get certain hardware is higher priced but its been 4 years and they buy in bulk. Pro is essentially a PS5 base console with a beefier GPU… thats it. Thing should not cross $500.
Sony has floundered with its brand so much. The remake games are total trash that they force directive influence in, then there is the little matter of all the dirty dealings done with the other large developers out there. The system is too much, the games are all concord, dragon age 2, Silent Hill 2 level of censorship and modernization and worse. Just not worth the kick to the wallet.
to those of us who lived through the third, fourth, fifth generations of video games - when advancements came at us so fast and covered so much ground....this shit seems insane. its NOT WORTH IT. focus on the games and not the tech -- nintendo is the only one who seems to understand this at all.
It doesn't take power to sell a console, it takes games. Nintendo's Switch successor is somewhere on the horizon, will probably play every game in the Switch library, plus all the new games. When it launches, it will easily undercut PS5 Pro's price point, and easily over sell it. Sony will come out like Travolta in Pulp Fiction, learn nothing, then spend millions on their next games. Meanwhile indie devs are out here making cheap , easy and fun experiences with pennies, that don't care about graphical fidelities. Sure there are a lot of Stans out there, that eat, breathe, and die on the next, most powerful thing, but for most of us, it's just about the fun.
This is how out of touch pat and Ian are they think a 3060 is the latest and greatest GPU 😂. Digital foundry said the new GPU for the PS5 pro is around a 3060-80 and they’re not touching the CPU at all. Sony even said the pro is only 45% more GPU power which is crap because the PS4 pro was double the GPU for only a 100 more.
Playstation would make hands over fist money if they just decided to make a Twisted Metal game where they take all the TM games from PS1 and made into a single game. Have DLC characters/vehicles from their other licensed games like The Last of Us, Sly Cooper, Jak/Dexter and others... They also should consider making their old library available to purchase through the PS Store and Steam. If they are worried about hardware sales, make it mandatory for Steam/PC players to have to use a PlayStation controller. The money they make off this they can use to develop new games from the old lost franchises. Crazy that Resistance hasn't gotten another title since the PS3.
The actual noticeable differences in power and graphics are growing slimmer between each new generation of gaming. PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 all had very noticeable upgrades between each console...PS3 to PS4, noticeable increase in graphical fidelity and a few other things. However, the jump between PS4 to PS5, has been laughably lackluster. At that point most people were, and are, better off spending that little bit of extra money to just make the switch to PC.
To your point about the pass systems like PS Plus and Gamepass its actually shown that people are more willing to spend more if they get the image of saving. So yeah sure I might normally spend $380 on games but thats a maybe. Spend $120 on a seevice thats guaranteed money for Sony and Microsoft plus when people see deals for membership or just have extra money in their pockets they are more willing to buy DLCs, the games leaving the service etc. Its not a total loss for these companies and in fact id say the gaming companies have a far better handle on making money from streaming/services than say Netflix/Hulu etc. at least with PS Plus and Gamepass spending more is baked in to the services while movie services require you to go elsewhere to buy or spend extra.
I've been buy Nintendo and Sony's side since I was a little kid. I remember winning the original Playstation In a raffle from my dad's job when I was a little kid back when the original playstation first came out. I've had. Every playstation all the way up to playstation 4. Playstation 5 is the last straw for me. I'm not paying $500.00 for a Playstation 5.Not in today's economy I'm not. You can dam well guarantee. That if Sony makes a playstation 6.Then if it doesn't have a disk drive and or it's not backwards compatible. That'll be the last straw and people will say fuck it with Sony when it comes to Playstation. Simply put , Sony Is out of touch with their customers when it comes to PlayStation. This is why people are going back to retro video games and systems. Because there's not all this bull shit. Like Sony keeps causing just to enjoy video games.
its wild how you said a budget for 6 games a year, I am pretty close to that. I have commented the same before, but its why I dont really buy retro stuff anymore. I buy Switch games to play with my son, and its awesome. On console side, waiting on the Switch 2, and it will be to play Nintendo games, I am not worried about ray tracing etc. I have friends who are P.C gamers, they spend a lot more , its a different level.
Spot on with the game pass/ ps plus stuff. It’s 100% devaluing their games. They should do what Nintendo does and just give users old games to play- don’t give new games away for free. If ps6 is all digital I’ll be done with Sony and stick with Nintendo. I play Switch way more than my ps5 anyway.
I have a backlog of PS4 games that will keep me busy until PS6 comes out, and by then everything will be all digital, and my PS4 physical collection will be 400+ games. Oh, and BTW, physical editions of Concorde are going for $100+ on ebay.
Great job, again, I agree, I got all 3 consoles & I feel like it’s a waste of but I see Microsoft focusing on pc & hand helds in the next 4 years, Sony overcharging for ps5 pro & 6. And Nintendo staying stable but if they go cart again & u gotta download half the game, what does that leave???? All digital 🥺😩😔😔
Honestly.. I have never got a.ps5 nor will I. The game selection sucks have most for PS4 and they're basically all just FPS.. gimme some side scrolling platforming 2d and we will talk
The actual noticeable differences in power and graphics are growing slimmer between each new generation of gaming. PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 all had very noticeable upgrades between each console...PS3 to PS4, noticeable increase in graphical fidelity and a few other things. However, the jump between PS4 to PS5, has been laughably lackluster. At that point most people were, and are, better off spending that little bit of extra money to just make the switch to PC.
I'm buying a base PS5 with a disk drive, because my PS4 is dying and I want to keep playing my PS4 games. So, might as well get a PS5. But, yeah I'm buying one to play PS4.
This is a epic failure lol it doesnt need to be almost a grand the games are clones, the faces are weird and all of it is politically slanted. im tired of bad games, censorship and horrible support
Hi there, any word on the N64 book? I saw at one point it said a possible September release, and now it just says a Fall 2024 release? Hope all is going well with it.
Pat and Ian you guys are awesome However I'm going to agree to disagree with you on this video Because PC parts are expensive Show me a build that That can be compared to the PlayStation 5 pro And cost the same amount
I mean i paid a year for gamepass for my pc and a year for sonys most expensive one... i literally have not bought a game cause of it... thank god for tax returns xD
Memory cards were wierd to bring up since they mainly were for the portables and console wise the GameCube 360 PS2 all had they're own memory cards. I don't recall a universal card for any system. Addendum: memory stick tho proprietary was useful in a lot of other devices and seemed to be priced like other memory such as SD cards for that time. As the years went by all those prices dropped. The only proprietary card that stayed expensive was like PS Vita exclusive. Again weird thing to being up.
Pat was referring to how Sony REQUIRED a Memory Card purchase (often half a dozen or more! Because you could only save a few games per card) from nearly every single console buyer during their two most profitable generation. Unless you were a masochist, you needed a memory card because PS and PS2 (for the most part) did not have Internal storage and games back then were typically linear and long. There were definitely plenty of third-party brands of memory cards (I like Hori, Pelican and Madcatz back then) - often Sony's own cards were cheaper. The issue was that you could only save a limited amount of files per card, so the average person bought several per generation. That was a lot of extra profit Sony made if you consider that Hundreds of Millions of PS1 & PS2s where sold globally. The PS2 requiring PS1 Memory Cards if you wanted to use Backwards compatibility, and then it's own PS2 Memory Cards for PS2 games. OG Xbox by comparison has its own storage and all consoles after that. The PSP and Vita also required Magic Disc Cards, which both Sony produced .. BUT ALSO Licensed! And then you have to figure that Sony made money not only on every PlayStation 1, 2, 3 & 4 Game Disc because they had shared patients with another company for CD, DVD and Bluray.... but they often made cash from competitors that used the storage mediums. These are all revenue sources that are either long gone, or mostly fired up for Sony this generation. So what Sony makes from the PlayStation ecosystem is now limited to their subscriptions, store and initial hardware sale of the console (maybe controllers). So that's what Pat was referring too. How Sony has far less upfront hardware and licensing revenue sources too feed them now - so with PS5 Pro they can no longer afford to comfortably sell consoles at a loss as they once did. I think that's the point he tried to make with bringing that up.
€800 is kind of amazing as a price point, that's beyond price gauging and into satire, not that it matters much to me personally. As far as I'm concerned, if you're bringing out a slight upgrade to your console instead of a truly new model, it should cost you 100-€200 at most to upgrade if you already own the old junk. I've skipped the PS4 Pro because of this, and I'll happily skip the PS5 Pro, too. Fucking *SEGA* did it better, when they kept giving you weird upgrades to your Genesis/Mega Drive. Imagining the uproar if Sega had tried demanding twice the amount of a new Mega Drive just for the Mega CD makes me smile. It's just so absurd!
The problem with the price is you are paying $700 for a marginal upgrade for ONE (two if you count PS4) generation of games. At least with PC, you might be spending $1500-2000 but you have access to games from the 80s to the current, today and the future. 10 years from now, you'll still have have a powerful system that can still play everything coming out. If consoles are going to be cost PC prices, being generational locked has to go away.
Perhaps we need a new Video Game crash? I had this PC for over 15 years... every 4-5 years I spend $1000 to upgrade 3 computers at best. I stopped purchasing consoles since Xbox one and PS3.. i don't see the point these days ):
Still been waiting to buy a ps5, waiting for gta6 . No battlfield game, moder warfare looks eh, assisins creed can wait . Where sniper elite 5 at? Got the $, but will wait
What do you think of the latest Sony news? Are you priced out of the PS5 Pro at $700? What about Concord? Are you shocked they already shut the game down? Thanks to The Perfect Jean for partnering with us. F your khakis and get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code CUPODCAST15 at theperfectjean.nyc/CUPODCAST15 #ad
An over reaction when people have money to buy $1000 iPhones, subsidized or not.
Or if you've played WoW your entire life,
People's concepts of the value of money may be different, but they are SPENDING, regardless.
The actual noticeable differences in power and graphics are growing slimmer between each new generation of gaming. PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 all had very noticeable upgrades between each console...PS3 to PS4, noticeable increase in graphical fidelity and a few other things.
However, the jump between PS4 to PS5, has been laughably lackluster. At that point most people were, and are, better off spending that little bit of extra money to just make the switch to PC.
@@xdjrunner I am going to stick with consoles, just for the ease of it. I am going to stay with Xbox because all of my friends are on that platform, but I prefer the PlayStation. Everything is going to increase in price. Due to inflation and hardware updates, I find it ridiculous that people are shocked by this price increase. The industry is backing on the future of gaming being on a streaming service and not disc based, which bums me out. I can bypass it by purchasing a 4k disc player, but I prefer the all in one platform design. I have since the PS2.
@jonbourgoin182 with the cheaters and hackers?
Overpaying for graphics cards? No thanks.
@jonbourgoin182
With the cheaters and hackers?
Overpaying for each piece of hardware?
No TY
Sony always did have a lost grip on reality. They let the success of TLOU 1 go to their head and made or "" suggested "" any big AAA game to go to the 'boring made for cable streaming route' with its creation, jacked up prices, censored games galore and ran remake games into a brick wall While E Coyote style. Id call it poetic justice but its really just sad. $700 is too much of a price tag for a half-way point life cycle console for games that are just shader graphic updates.
Sony has no competition
That is the only business reason that makes sense.
But I guess it is easier to try to "go at the king"
If only more people criticized Xbox instead... Guess they don't care about that console.
sony has no soul, this is nothing new and to be expected. considering how they are on the ropes in the public arena they are going to attempt to blow this up bigger than what it actually is
@WildWoods08 Spoken like a true shareholder.
@@WildWoods08 Yep yep
@@xdjrunnerthey have conpetition they are just cocky. If Sony didn’t have competition you wouldn’t see the shift towards service based games. They have to find a good middle ground when it comes to making money otherwise the competition will edge them out. Both Nintendo and Microsoft have found what works. Xbox even before the ABK deal was set to surpass Sony in virtually every metric outside of hardware sales, which don’t matter much. Again the competition is there Sony just feels they can do what they want because of fans.
If the PS6 is all digital, I’m done with modern gaming and sticking to generations 3 thru 9.
At the very least. Acquire a base firmware console. Wait until a hackable firmware exists. Also purchase the console secondhand so Sony doesn't get your money
I guess you are not a PC Gamer. Or use Steam? Gaming has been digital for over a decade my friend. And sad to say it is the future.
@@Wings80 PC is the exception. I don't think the servers of steam is going to be discontinued anytime soon. Console servers can go down anytime. And have no real way to back up your games. Unless custom firmware releases for it.
@@Wings80 I stopped pc gaming in the early 2000’s. I was sad when I heard they went all digital.
amen
Ian, you missed the even ballsier nickel and dime move than the $80 disc drive..... charging $30 for the vertical stand 😂. The full package Pro is $810 WITHOUT tax, and that's just in the US. Its even worse in Europe, UK, Canada when you convert the currencies from USD to their regional equivalent!!
810$ is the bulk of a halfway decent gaming PC since this generation has no exclusives I don't know what PlayStation is thinking
80 for a controller that still gets stick drift 😂😂😂
Patents are fun
The first console I've ever gotten drift on...in less than 3 years of ownership...
My PS1 Dual Shock still doesn't have any drift...
Apparently Colin Moriarty is now saying a insider source from Concords development team, is now saying Sony actually spent $400,000,000 (almost 4X initial reports) on Concord! 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Colin's source: Trust me bro.
Its BS. The story dosent make any sense. If the figure included the studio buyout, maybe. But the guy went out of his way to say it was 400 for development.
@@Refreshment01 the only evidence besides trust me bro, is the credits were insanely long. So I assume tons of consultants did work on the game
@@paintsius Ok, lots of consultants & outsourcing but 400 MM deep? Plus the whole story doesnt make sense. Basically its goes that these guys where 200 million long years into game development with no where near a finished product. Then Sony comes along sees the situation & goes this looks like a winner will buy the studio. Aaannndddd... Rushes development while sinking an extra 200 million. Non sensical.
If at least the guy tells me thr 400 was with the buyout & game cost it would be more plausible.
Every actual reporter is saying some details line up and don’t doubt his one source is someone who worked on the game…but the 400 million number makes no sense common sense wise and all their sources are saying that’s absolutely not the number. Colin not having common sense about budgets makes sense considering he’s a libertarian (I’m a recovering libertarian lol).
perfect jeans should not be tight in the crotch. i prefer efficient bloodflow in that region.
True
I bought a Sega Saturn before I bought a PS5, I still own more games for that.
Saturn was only supported for 3 years but had 10x the games as PS5.
When Ian goes hard in the paint, you know it's going to be a good time.
Almost $1,100.00 CAD, and thats before scalpers get their grubby hands on them.
Pay more for less!
-Sony
Scalpers lol. I'm no expert but I doubt this thing will have high demand. It's not a new generation of console and it's barely more powerful to pay double the price of a PS5 if you include the stand and external disc drive. I love upgrading to new hardware and a performance increase but this thing is absolutely not worth it at that price point. I'm also a console person that doesn't play PC but you'd be a fool to not just get a powerful PC instead of this thing. If it were $600 base with the disc drive.... Maybe.
@calinator51 Yeah any of those scalpers will have a tough time turning a profit. They'll be paying 15% ebay fees, so on a, let's say, $800 sale, there will be $120 in fees. They'd have to get at least 900, and I don't know how many people will line up to pay near a grand for an incremental upgrade to the ps5 that doesn't even have a disk drive. Anyone who buys these to resell is making one hell of a gamble.
@@mattbroschyou’re forgetting the fact about taxes. More than likely around $60 of tax
@97Retrogamenerd I'm assuming most of them will find workarounds for that. They can write off the initial purchase and fees, so they'll only pay tax on the profit. Unless you're talking sales tax, which yes would increase the cost to the buyer another $60 or so.
Sony will sell out of the PS5 Pro in a week, simply because the fanboys will see "PS5 Pro 30th Anniversary in PS1 colors" and throw their CCs at them. Never underestimate the power of nostalgia and collectables.
Just make it where the console isn’t dropping frames and I’m fine.
Developer issue.
You can find examples of this on games on every console since the beginning.
I blame Digital Foundry for convincing normal people they can actually see minute differences between releases (without a side by side, a zoom in and explanation).
😂right I mean I do love DF because they give you the specs on things like this which is great. But yeah their side by side comparisons and nitpicking minutia is where I usually fast forward because that’s just dumb. However them giving you specs on the pro at 700 vs what you could get for 2-300 more on a PC is what I am there for.
@@michaelmiller4105 Don't get me wrong - I do love DF. Especially DF Retro. But it's kinda hard to argue that (inadvertently or not) they did add fuel to fanboy fires where the argue and bicker over tiny things.
Personally, I game on PC at 1080p60 and I'm as happy as a pig in shite. Don't care about 4K, Ray Tracing, HDR etc...
Have a PVM for the retro games but for modern stuff, I left consoles behind once I saw that XBone reveal. Instantly killed not just my enthusiasm about the Xbox One (I loved my 360), it killed my enthusiasm for the wider industry knowing that most of the BS of that day would be reality at some point. And now - ten years later - the majority of it exists and is ubiquitous.
@@Noobsaibot21 yeah man give me 60fps at 1080p and I’m good to go. I do hate that I’ve gotten so used to 60fps it really does suck sometimes having to go back to 30.
The frame rate increase is easily noticeable. If the difference is not noticesble you buy the normal ps5 then.
So whats the problem?
Also Xbox shitting the bed for past two generations means Sony can charge higher prices without worrying about Xbox
I got myself a PS5 last year. Not buying a new one already.
You really shouldn't. I like upgrading to better hardware but the price point to improvement level doesn't match. $600 with disc drive, fine. No more.
Ok bro this is not for you
No one is suggesting you should. I dont understand whats happening but people are missing perspective. Revisions/new models of game consoles have been pushed since the 2nd generation.
@@mobious01Problem is, I don't know who it IS for. I've bought every single PS system at launch since PS2, including the 5. I've also bought the pro model when it came out for pS4. My Ps3 was the 60gb model, and my 5 is the disk drive version. I'm a die-hard, 'top of the line version' Sony buyer. I'm not picking up a ps5 pro for myriad reasons. If they can't even get ME to buy one, who is this for then?
I haven’t bought a ps5 yet partially because I knew an upgrade would be coming soon. Guess I’ll keep not buying a ps5 😂
I think the modern AAA game industry fucked itself by prioritizing graphical horsepower (life like graphics) over games that are still fun to play with unique art styles that are shorter and cheaper to make.
Agreed. I don't want realistic graphics. Yeah they're nice to look at sometimes, but I play games to escape reality. I'll take a fun indie game or JRPG with cool art style over any of the latest AAA slop.
@@HarakiriRockif we wanted realism? We'd go the fuck outside!!!😂😂😂
Nintendo also kinda showed the other console makers that you don’t ever have to reduce prices and people will still pay it. The switch was outdated hardware when it released and here it is still at the same prices
Depends on the price. $800+ versus, what? 200-300? Massive difference.
@@jimjo8541Nintendo next system is going to cost just as much as a ps5
"You don't have to worry about upgrades" is supposed to be one of the convenience features of consoles. Anyways here's the PS5+ which we hope can actually play PS5 games.
$400 million is the reported cost to make the game plus whatever they paid to buy the dev team.
The difference with the Pro is it's not the PS6, so it's for die hards who want a better experience. Quality mode is always 30fps and performance mode is either 60 or target 60. Both have had issues as graphics get more intense, as with Wukong, FFXVI, and Rebirth. The Pro is meant to meld these two modes together. You get the visual fidelity of quality mode at 4k with the 60fps of performance mode. The upgrade puts the Pro closer to a PC with a 4070, which as a single component costs about $800, so to get a console doing the same for $700 is a pretty good deal. You can skip the Pro entirely though, so I don't get the complaints. Many skipped the PS4 Pro, which sold 14 mil, and just stuck with the base PS4. Same will likely happen here.
Things have been rough lately. Seeing you two together puts a smile on my face. Thanks guys.
Nintendo bought into the whole graphics thing with literally every home console until the Wii. I thought you guys would know that.
Pat has a tendency to revise Nintendo history
I never thought of the fact that there is no reason to buy a second controller. That was a big money maker. I wonder if the battery life is intentionally short so that people buy a second controller. One to charge while you play the other.
That's what I do. The battery's don't last so I charge one play one
Ian's point that we have diminishing returns on hardware is true, because the amount of money and manpower it takes to capitalize on the highest end hardware is ludicrous. AAA games need 5+ years to make along with hundreds of millions of dollars, so the number of games that really truly utilize this is low. All that being said, I see the appeal of ps5 pro because as a ps5 player it does matter to me that a lot of the games don't run at 60 fps or don't consistently run at 60 fps. So for me the upgrade to pro would be more about the FPS than the fidelity.
If it's cpu bound the fps will be the same and many of those games will be
Yup, I'm also likely only getting a Switch successor for my current/next gen system.
It's been a really long time since graphics genuinely wowed me on some sort of technical level. I opted out of buying a PS5 and/or Xbox Series because they weren't any sort of major leap forward. I really do think that Nintendo have proven their strategy over the last 23 years made good business sense. They have probably saved billions of dollars in game and hardware development by not chasing resolution trends and other visual bells and whistles. I still play my PC games at 1080p, as there's no reason to tax my CPU if I'm not going to notice a significant difference.
concord took 8 years to make cus them/they were researching 1000s of pronouns and inventing new playstation exclusive pronouns
I was going to buy one but it was when there was no stock. Now they’re readily available my enthusiasm is gone
FOMO is a powerful thing. But often wait until it's blown over and when the dust has settled it's often a sobering chance to look at something objectively without the noise of internal need to get one.
Price of the PS5 has actually increased since launch.
showed my girlfriend NWC avgn episode for first time and she said this is best episode so far.
Great to see you guys doing podcasts again I personally really missed you
Pat's always a bit biased against everything that isn't Nintendo. He mentions the memory card thing as if it was only Sony, even though Nintendo did the same thing up to the same time as Sony.
Yeah, but this was really only a problem with Gamecube and for some N64 games. Wii and Wii U had internal memory, and if you needed more, you had the SD cards. Playstation 1 and 2 need their own cards even if you play PS1 games on PS2. PS3 did away with it, but games got bigger and bigger, leading you to have to buy an external drive, which are much more expensive than SD cards were.
I have never and will never fall for the upgrade bs in the same generation.
Did Sony make a mistake? Yes.
Are they in trouble? No.
Depends on 'trouble', running developers away, quietly closing studios abroad and indi developers, then over pricing? That's enough trouble to have more Red Flags than a CCP parade for anyone looking their way.
They are definitely in trouble in the long term (especially given Japan economic and aging population woes) as far as their gaming devision goes if they can't capture the younger audience. Because the bulk of there current supporters are older Gen Z who started on PS3 (or late in PS2) and Millennials who grew up with the first PlayStation (primarily 21-34).
In 2023 The elder Millennials and Gen X player base in general (all platforms) fell off a cliff. This is represented in many different analytics and statistics sources. Some day it was world events, others say it was the youngest of them sliding into middle life, and more people in that bracket (late bloomers) finally buying homes or having kids.
Regardless, the existing Elder Millennials and Gen X player base are leaning towards retro and PC, while their kids (Gen Alpha and Youngest Gen Z) are not interested in consoles as a generation. There are outliers ofcourse, but most kids today idolize Streamer, tokers and TH-camrs who are all on PC and Mobile.
They want to be were their friends are, and that's on PC and Switch. Their generation has different priorities that Sony is not fulfilling. They want to play online social games with their friends and muck around on the internet and content creation. They don't care about physical discs, or graphics or expensive hardware (necessarily).
My own teenage kids, my brothers grade-school age kids, my cousins kids (one a senior in High School and the other collage age), and all my buddies kids... even the kids who are friends of my children... they ALL would choose a new phone or computer over a PS5 Pro.
The games they like and the people they play with are not on PlayStation or Xbox. And more importantly, they can't make content or use the Internet and all their favorite apps (like discord) on there.
I asked my 13 year old if he wanted Spider-Man 2 Bundle w/ PS5 digital Edition (it was on sale) earlier this year for his birthday.... instead he wanted Skark Cards in GTA Online, some currency-or-whatever for Dead by Daylight, some Vallorant currency, a chicken costume for trolling in Final Fantasy XIV (a MMO) and a Digital Copy of Super Mario Wonder (which he barely played).
The rest of the money he wanted gifted to his wallet on steam, and I'm pretty sure he just bought more currency for his online games.
I say this because, just a few years ago the Elder Millennials and younger Gen X who just dropped off recently were still the dominate buying power in gaming. It shifted THAT quickly, as they aged out almost over night.... the same is going to happen to the upper half of Gen Z sooner than later.
With out the buying power of Gen Alpha and the Youngest Gen Z, there is no one keep keeping PlayStation as it is going - certainly as it becomes a even more expensive hobby....
And right now, neither console manufacturer (Nintendo is a handheld, IP farm and lifestyle brand) is appealing to kids like they did with the younger incarnations of Older Gen Z, Millennials or Gen X in prior decades.
That most certainly is a issue, and I don't see Sony doing anything about it. And it will infact take years to sway and change the tide even if they started right this instant.
The current crop of fanbois and loyal supported WILL thin out in the next few years, and a hardcore PlayStation minority of aging middle-aged men cannot keep a brand that costs multi-billion dollars a year to run, afloat.
That's also not to touch on the fact that traditionally Sony as a parent company made most their money from licensing film and music and producing media storage mediums. Their ViVo computers walkman, stereos and TVs had a profitable time, but have historically been loss-leaders.
Right now, they are struggling and loosing mounds of cash on their production of electronics, AND in the last three years (because of dwindling interest in physical media and watching films in theaters) they had temples down their music, movies and disc manufacturing.
So while in September 2024, PlayStation and Sony are not going anywhere... they are only really fine right now. Their future outlook isn't good by any measure. Both from a demographic perspective in Japan (employees and expertise) and a product strategy with the newer generations coming up now.
Sony has some major decisions to make, and non of them easy or predictable. And as far as the PlayStation brand goes... it's not a forlorn given that they will always be around. There was a time before 1994 where gaming existed and playStation did not.
I mean 400m investment with no return is crazy
Correct. I’m not even going to read that novel that one dude wrote, but let me know when the stock goes to 0. But so far not even a blip. Remember Sony is a big company, only a third of which ,is related to video games.
some digital currency and a chicken costume for trolling. what a world we live in.
Xbox is going to do the same thing. These consoles/companies are getting gamers ready for all future game releases being developed on the Unreal Engine 5. The PS5 pro is one hundred dollars more with a disc drive, which many of us older gamers still have blu-rays and 4k disk movies/concert performances.
Nintendo still the console king!
Another big difference with the current console era is that they’re all basically the same architecture and similar hardware. Consoles used to be quite different from each other and the developers had to learn more about the hardware in order to really take advantage of it, whereas now it’s just a matter of software support and broad optimization. They should just start selling computers at this point.
Retro emulation is the future
Underrated comment
@@brandname6 most people are going to be priced out
This is no excuse but it explains a lot of what is happening with the price lately... People have no money but they have no problem getting a new phone eveyry 2 years that cost 1 to 1.5k? And everyone in the family, even the dog now, has a phone!! How can anyone be surprised that price are going up? Customers are clearly sending the message they have too much money in their wallets... So I understand Sony's pricing. Don't get it wrong, I think this is a sick situation... My comment is only a perspective to start a discussion. Nothing more!
Great bait mate.
@@tableofbeer7259 I know, having a discussion is the worst thing you can do in 2024. Then, some Americans wonder why a con artist is about to be re-elected...
@@tableofbeer7259 the better question is, why are they blocking replies and solve the question they just answered. sorry what?
PS5 Pro is for a small amount of people, but those who want to "Future Proof" their stuff, along with don't have a PS5 because they were saving IMO.
Concord? Costing $100,000,000 to make? No way! That'd be ridiculous!
It cost $400,000,000!
It's Bad Enough That The PS5 Slim Is $500 And Now Sony Expects To Cash Out $700 For a PS5 Pro That's Insane And Ridiculous Sony...😡🖕
"Allegedly--I did not touch any baby ducks"
I work in IT, and will reluctantly continue buying consoles just for the privilege to not have to deal with Windows while I'm trying to unwind.
I think if your console has gotten more expensive than a frigging decent PC you've already lost your path on this industry.
The economy sucks right now. Most people are not gonna buy a $700 PS5 Pro, then the external disk drive, and then the $80 or more PS Plus. So long as Nintendo doesn't screw something up, this will be easy for them.
The next switch is going to be at minimum 449
People really forget how underpowered PS4 / XBONE consoles were at launch. Some AAA titles not even running at 1080p and it only got worse as time went on.
I think the real problem here is that the base model PS5 / Series X are actually very powerful for what you pay for them. ESPEICALLY if you pick one up used. I got my PS5 for $260 and ended up performing some repairs to it but even if I paid someone the $100 to fix the HDMI port vs doing it myself... that's $360. It's an insane value for what it is capable of. 4K60 on todays newest and flashiest triple A's might be out of the question but so what. Give me 1080p upscaled to 4K then. Or allow me to dial back other things to make 4K60 possible if I don't care about draw distance as much, or relections and lighting.
PS5 PRO at nearly $800 is a very tough sell. My PS5 was a gamestop bundle which came with 3 games (hitman, marvels avengers and miles morales) as well as a 2nd dual sense. I think they were $690? IIRC
It's not enough of an upgrade for me to drop alll that extra cheddar. And finding a PS5 disc drive seems hard today. They aren't making that many of them. Or scalpers are thinking these PS5 pro will be selling out.
“No more price drops on consoles, even long after they become cheap enough to make a profit on console sales. No more price drops on games, even if they’re seven years old and everyone has a copy. No more “greatest hits” games being sold at a reduced price. Let’s just pretend like everything came out yesterday forever, and charge the hell out of the customers as if it did.” - Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft
Sega and Atari would never do this to us.
Sega already did and Atari printed games which caused them to fold. Sega games always stayed at 60 USD until the console got canned. Genesis standard prices, Sega Saturn games and Dreamcast. When they failed the third time in the console market and announced discontinuation of support did the games come down and in bargin bins
After loosing 400 million on Concord, i don’t think Sony can afford to lose money on the console. I think it wasn’t this expansive, but the circumstances made it to be.
On Concord, in order to have a profit sony would need to sell more than 10 million copies…
You may say the have the iCloud but theent apple makes their own proprietary memory card and an expandable slot in the new iPhones they're gonna make truckloads of money.
$400 Million?! Yeah, I’d say that someone’s probably walking around with $200 Mil in their pocket.
Ian does make a good point. I’m kinda of a casual gamer in the way that i never have to buy the newest console on release day, im usually about a year or so late but ive always gotten one with some kinda price cut or bundle there hasn’t been anything yet with the ps5 except god of war or zero dawn. Everything i want to play has still came out for the ps4, maybe the next resident evil game or gta6 might have me get a ps5 but this definitely the longest i ever waited to move onto next gen
And once again, they forgo a conversion in price, so it's £699.99....aka $932... Fuck Sony. This is the FIRST time I'm not buying a Playstation console in 26 years.
Not to mention I'm all about Physical media, so I'd need to spend another £99.99 ($133.06) on a disc drive.
So over $1,000 just to get an upgrade to a console that I've only had for 3 years. I am beyond pissed with this announcement.
The thing about Concord is no one asked for this game. Also one the heads at Sony was talking about not having first party games no one cares about
The biggest problem with the games industry is scope and budget of games.
They could release a modest sequel to Chrono Trigger.. hell.. just a HD-2D one.. spend less than a year and less than $1 million on it and likely rack up 10 million + sales.... Instead they want to spend $70 million on some bullshit AAA HD nonsense
Concord remake coming soon next year.
I would be surprised if this new version sold well. Maybe they’ll do some sales on the current model and more kids could get one.
Based on my own teenage kids, my brother kids, my cousins kids, my friend-groups kids and what I can see of my kids friends: (although there are exceptions) I seems that the generation or two of kids today generally don't care about consoles.
Their favorite idols are streamers, clock app people and TH-camrs who game on PC or mobile, and they want to be like them. All of their friends play on either PC or Switch, and at the end of the day, they want to spend their time playing with their friends or mucking around in content creation online.
It's mostly older Gen Z people and Millennials who seem to hold onto these current gen consoles most. Most my Gen X friends are not gaming as much anymore and for them it's all about retro.
So I don't look for the kids today to save these companies so long as they are not offering them what their generations prioritize... and that's not graphics, super expensive hardware or overpriced discs.
For the record before taxes in Canada that system is 950$…after taxes it’s around 1100
So if they have pulled it this early and refunding physical copies, willl this be one of the most expensive rare games to complete future PS5 collections?
There is no way in hell the PS5 hardware is sold at a loss. Just no way. I get certain hardware is higher priced but its been 4 years and they buy in bulk. Pro is essentially a PS5 base console with a beefier GPU… thats it. Thing should not cross $500.
Returns have become so diminished that we now know what Playstation 6 graphics will look like.
Sony has floundered with its brand so much. The remake games are total trash that they force directive influence in, then there is the little matter of all the dirty dealings done with the other large developers out there. The system is too much, the games are all concord, dragon age 2, Silent Hill 2 level of censorship and modernization and worse. Just not worth the kick to the wallet.
Seems Sony didn't learn a damn thing from Sega.
to those of us who lived through the third, fourth, fifth generations of video games - when advancements came at us so fast and covered so much ground....this shit seems insane. its NOT WORTH IT. focus on the games and not the tech -- nintendo is the only one who seems to understand this at all.
My back log is a decade, so it’ll be a while for me to get a ps5 pro. I see a sale price coming within months.
It doesn't take power to sell a console, it takes games. Nintendo's Switch successor is somewhere on the horizon, will probably play every game in the Switch library, plus all the new games. When it launches, it will easily undercut PS5 Pro's price point, and easily over sell it. Sony will come out like Travolta in Pulp Fiction, learn nothing, then spend millions on their next games. Meanwhile indie devs are out here making cheap , easy and fun experiences with pennies, that don't care about graphical fidelities. Sure there are a lot of Stans out there, that eat, breathe, and die on the next, most powerful thing, but for most of us, it's just about the fun.
100% correct great comment!
This is how out of touch pat and Ian are they think a 3060 is the latest and greatest GPU 😂. Digital foundry said the new GPU for the PS5 pro is around a 3060-80 and they’re not touching the CPU at all. Sony even said the pro is only 45% more GPU power which is crap because the PS4 pro was double the GPU for only a 100 more.
Playstation would make hands over fist money if they just decided to make a Twisted Metal game where they take all the TM games from PS1 and made into a single game. Have DLC characters/vehicles from their other licensed games like The Last of Us, Sly Cooper, Jak/Dexter and others...
They also should consider making their old library available to purchase through the PS Store and Steam. If they are worried about hardware sales, make it mandatory for Steam/PC players to have to use a PlayStation controller. The money they make off this they can use to develop new games from the old lost franchises. Crazy that Resistance hasn't gotten another title since the PS3.
The actual noticeable differences in power and graphics are growing slimmer between each new generation of gaming. PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 all had very noticeable upgrades between each console...PS3 to PS4, noticeable increase in graphical fidelity and a few other things.
However, the jump between PS4 to PS5, has been laughably lackluster. At that point most people were, and are, better off spending that little bit of extra money to just make the switch to PC.
To your point about the pass systems like PS Plus and Gamepass its actually shown that people are more willing to spend more if they get the image of saving. So yeah sure I might normally spend $380 on games but thats a maybe. Spend $120 on a seevice thats guaranteed money for Sony and Microsoft plus when people see deals for membership or just have extra money in their pockets they are more willing to buy DLCs, the games leaving the service etc.
Its not a total loss for these companies and in fact id say the gaming companies have a far better handle on making money from streaming/services than say Netflix/Hulu etc. at least with PS Plus and Gamepass spending more is baked in to the services while movie services require you to go elsewhere to buy or spend extra.
I've been buy Nintendo and Sony's side since I was a little kid. I remember winning the original Playstation In a raffle from my dad's job when I was a little kid back when the original playstation first came out. I've had.
Every playstation all the way up to playstation 4. Playstation 5 is the last straw for me. I'm not paying $500.00 for a Playstation 5.Not in today's economy I'm not. You can dam well guarantee. That if Sony makes a playstation 6.Then if it doesn't have a disk drive and or it's not backwards compatible. That'll be the last straw and people will say fuck it with Sony when it comes to Playstation. Simply put , Sony Is out of touch with their customers when it comes to PlayStation. This is why people are going back to retro video games and systems. Because there's not all this bull shit. Like Sony keeps causing just to enjoy video games.
its wild how you said a budget for 6 games a year, I am pretty close to that. I have commented the same before, but its why I dont really buy retro stuff anymore. I buy Switch games to play with my son, and its awesome. On console side, waiting on the Switch 2, and it will be to play Nintendo games, I am not worried about ray tracing etc. I have friends who are P.C gamers, they spend a lot more , its a different level.
At least Astro Bot was good
Spot on with the game pass/ ps plus stuff. It’s 100% devaluing their games. They should do what Nintendo does and just give users old games to play- don’t give new games away for free. If ps6 is all digital I’ll be done with Sony and stick with Nintendo. I play Switch way more than my ps5 anyway.
I have a backlog of PS4 games that will keep me busy until PS6 comes out, and by then everything will be all digital, and my PS4 physical collection will be 400+ games.
Oh, and BTW, physical editions of Concorde are going for $100+ on ebay.
gaming will never get better than the possibilities of the ps3 and its limitations. Were still buying rereleases from it. That was the turning point.
I know you probably recorded this a few days ago, but Concord’s now estimated to be $400 million loss for Sony that said up towards a half $1 billion
100 million? mnah
ore like 400 million wasted on concord
and you wonder why ps5 prices wont drop and controller prices and ps plus prices went up
Great job, again, I agree, I got all 3 consoles & I feel like it’s a waste of but I see Microsoft focusing on pc & hand helds in the next 4 years, Sony overcharging for ps5 pro & 6. And Nintendo staying stable but if they go cart again & u gotta download half the game, what does that leave???? All digital 🥺😩😔😔
Honestly.. I have never got a.ps5 nor will I. The game selection sucks have most for PS4 and they're basically all just FPS.. gimme some side scrolling platforming 2d and we will talk
The actual noticeable differences in power and graphics are growing slimmer between each new generation of gaming. PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 all had very noticeable upgrades between each console...PS3 to PS4, noticeable increase in graphical fidelity and a few other things.
However, the jump between PS4 to PS5, has been laughably lackluster. At that point most people were, and are, better off spending that little bit of extra money to just make the switch to PC.
Unfortunately the market is flooded by casual gamers, and most companies like to focus on selling the same slop to the casual audience.
I'm buying a base PS5 with a disk drive, because my PS4 is dying and I want to keep playing my PS4 games. So, might as well get a PS5. But, yeah I'm buying one to play PS4.
Let’s not even mention the ps5 pro 30th anniversary edition, that price is absolutely insane. Oh Sony, it’s gonna bite you in the ass .
The era of 2 player games is over. Kids would freak out if they had to be in same room communicating 😅
What happened to Concord might be what Sega was avoiding when they cut off Lawbreakers ( I think that was the name) a year or so ago.
why does CONCORD's death surprise anyone.????
This is a epic failure lol it doesnt need to be almost a grand
the games are clones, the faces are weird and all of it is politically slanted. im tired of bad games, censorship and horrible support
Hi there, any word on the N64 book? I saw at one point it said a possible September release, and now it just says a Fall 2024 release? Hope all is going well with it.
$100million? Try $400 million.
Pat and Ian you guys are awesome However I'm going to agree to disagree with you on this video Because PC parts are expensive Show me a build that That can be compared to the PlayStation 5 pro And cost the same amount
They can't
I mean i paid a year for gamepass for my pc and a year for sonys most expensive one... i literally have not bought a game cause of it... thank god for tax returns xD
PC gaming has been better than console gaming for at least a decade maybe longer.
🧢
Video games have been dead since like 1998. It's all the same shit spinning its wheels ever since
Memory cards were wierd to bring up since they mainly were for the portables and console wise the GameCube 360 PS2 all had they're own memory cards. I don't recall a universal card for any system.
Addendum: memory stick tho proprietary was useful in a lot of other devices and seemed to be priced like other memory such as SD cards for that time. As the years went by all those prices dropped. The only proprietary card that stayed expensive was like PS Vita exclusive. Again weird thing to being up.
It’s a revenue stream they don’t have anymore. It’s very relevant to the cost and business model of these new consoles.
Pat was referring to how Sony REQUIRED a Memory Card purchase (often half a dozen or more! Because you could only save a few games per card) from nearly every single console buyer during their two most profitable generation.
Unless you were a masochist, you needed a memory card because PS and PS2 (for the most part) did not have Internal storage and games back then were typically linear and long.
There were definitely plenty of third-party brands of memory cards (I like Hori, Pelican and Madcatz back then) - often Sony's own cards were cheaper. The issue was that you could only save a limited amount of files per card, so the average person bought several per generation.
That was a lot of extra profit Sony made if you consider that Hundreds of Millions of PS1 & PS2s where sold globally. The PS2 requiring PS1 Memory Cards if you wanted to use Backwards compatibility, and then it's own PS2 Memory Cards for PS2 games.
OG Xbox by comparison has its own storage and all consoles after that. The PSP and Vita also required Magic Disc Cards, which both Sony produced .. BUT ALSO Licensed!
And then you have to figure that Sony made money not only on every PlayStation 1, 2, 3 & 4 Game Disc because they had shared patients with another company for CD, DVD and Bluray.... but they often made cash from competitors that used the storage mediums.
These are all revenue sources that are either long gone, or mostly fired up for Sony this generation. So what Sony makes from the PlayStation ecosystem is now limited to their subscriptions, store and initial hardware sale of the console (maybe controllers).
So that's what Pat was referring too. How Sony has far less upfront hardware and licensing revenue sources too feed them now - so with PS5 Pro they can no longer afford to comfortably sell consoles at a loss as they once did. I think that's the point he tried to make with bringing that up.
Let SIE become Chapter 11 at this point.
how many ps5's will be sold for GTA6?
$400,000,000 for Concord, speculated
A pc can still do Nintendo games, you just might have to be a bit patient and quick to do so 😅
its like they never ran the game through anyone other than their own echo chamber. no way it took eight years
€800 is kind of amazing as a price point, that's beyond price gauging and into satire, not that it matters much to me personally. As far as I'm concerned, if you're bringing out a slight upgrade to your console instead of a truly new model, it should cost you 100-€200 at most to upgrade if you already own the old junk. I've skipped the PS4 Pro because of this, and I'll happily skip the PS5 Pro, too.
Fucking *SEGA* did it better, when they kept giving you weird upgrades to your Genesis/Mega Drive. Imagining the uproar if Sega had tried demanding twice the amount of a new Mega Drive just for the Mega CD makes me smile. It's just so absurd!
Finally coming around to the Amico are we!?
The problem with the price is you are paying $700 for a marginal upgrade for ONE (two if you count PS4) generation of games. At least with PC, you might be spending $1500-2000 but you have access to games from the 80s to the current, today and the future. 10 years from now, you'll still have have a powerful system that can still play everything coming out. If consoles are going to be cost PC prices, being generational locked has to go away.
Sell your Old console problem solved.
Unless you are a collector, which meant you always had money to burn.
Either way, this is not new lol
@xdjrunner Like your opinion really matters
俺はソニーが好きではなく、こいつらが何をするかにも興味がない。
Perhaps we need a new Video Game crash?
I had this PC for over 15 years... every 4-5 years I spend $1000 to upgrade 3 computers at best. I stopped purchasing consoles since Xbox one and PS3.. i don't see the point these days ):
Still been waiting to buy a ps5, waiting for gta6 . No battlfield game, moder warfare looks eh, assisins creed can wait . Where sniper elite 5 at? Got the $, but will wait