P.A.I.N. | CYBERPUNK: EDGERUNNERS | Reaction Episode 10
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"My Moon, My Man"
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"Johnny: What were you expecting?
V: I don't know a happier ending for everyone involved.
Johnny: Here? For folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people."
The city always wins
Next city over? Maybe.
But not in night city
There are two exceptions, two men the city couldn't beat. Soburo Arasaka, and Adam Smasher.
@@cory6266 Smashers story was a bit longer but he got annihilated pretty much by V
@@DamonDemolition He was over 70 when it happened, it's more than "a bit." Also do you think Arasaka didn't make an engram of Smasher?
I think your forgetting one. Morgan Blackhand. @@cory6266
One thing I HATE about so many "dark" shows is when they foreshadow tragedy, only to have some crazy miracle happen at the end and everyone gets a happy ending. I love Edgerunners because, as painful as it is to watch, it stays true to itself and follows through on its promises.
Something I was thinking whilst watching was “wow how is David going to survive this” when seeing how bad things are getting with him, but then I would think hey if he survived it’s actually going to be pretty lame. I definitely agree that it’s good to follow through with it. The happy ending here is with Lucy, of course it’s bittersweet, but we needed David’s story to end like that. Anything else would have been a cop out.
@@TehCream It's really not a happy ending though, because as she tells David the only thing she wanted is for him to live. Her dream changed from escaping Night City to the moon to getting David out of there, but David couldn't let her die either and died to save her. She only went to the moon because it was his last request to her, and now she's back to how she was after escaping the Arasaka facility. Alone with her family/friends all dead (Falco aside). The only silver lining is she finally got out of Night City and might make a somewhat better life for herself, but she'll always be haunted by the loss.
@@100organicfreshmemes5I never get people that are so into angst I believe damn your life much be good 😊 mine had me looking like David 😂😂
@@megakdre100 My life is overall good yeah, but the ending of Cyberpunk Edgerunners is still very tragic.
Just like the game. Night City is not a hopeful place to live. To get a happy ending, you need to leave or die.
13:20 *Haylo:* _"Why did we watch this?...What was the point of all that?"_
*Kiss:* _"That was so dumb!...Therewas no need for all that."_
*Lucy:* _"You don't make a name as a cyberpunk by how you live, you're remembered by how you die."_
"as an edgerunner" not cyberpunk :c
True, that was telegraphed from the start. Same with the game.
@@Ya-Be in the trailer they say cyberpunk pretty sure in text easy confusion
All the Legends of Night City are commemorated with a drink named after them in the Afterlife bar. After the show, they updated the game and put in a drink called the "David Martinez".
They also put his jacket in the game which is such a cool extra.
You can also find Rebeccas Shotgun where the fight took place. The shotgun is names "Guts"
nope the drink is in game since release
@@Chromewolf187no, it was added in 1.5, before the show dropped. It wasn't in release build but it was there before the anime.
The drink wasn't in since release. I played the closed beta and release. It was added with the patch that added David's jacket.
@@VORASTRA Wild, I've always remembered it being in game because when I scrolled through the drinks, I remember wondering who David Martinez was. Maybe it was just 1.5 onward then
Mandatory Johnny Quote:
"A happier ending for folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people."
And when you hear THE song pop up in the game your PTSD is triggered
I try to make myself angry when lifting weights. Might sound kind of weird, but channeling that can help you move more weight. That song is in my gym playlist.
@@BigIronEnjoyer excellent idea 😢👍🏻👍🏻
Me to it's fire this song gets me on a different level @@BigIronEnjoyer
It's been like a slogan since Cyberpunk was a board game way back: "There are no happy endings in Night City".
Yeah, but that's like saying, "people are inherently good," or "people are inherently evil." There are inevitably going to be exceptions to either rule.
@@Tantalus010 Sure but have you ever seen an exception in Night City unless you had a DM that made a custom story for the tabletop? I can’t think of a single truly happy ending in any official Cyberpunk story. They are bittersweet at best.
@@Tantalus010 Your observation made me think about something else, just like in The Witcher world, main stories ain't inherently good or evil, they're just totally gray, Night City is pretty much the same, even the 'happiest' endings are bittersweet.
All the music is original music created for the game. So after watching this you end up driving around and "I Really Wanna Stay at Your House" comes on and suddenly your eyes start watering up.
the sole reason i turn off the radio ingame
My eyes also water up for Ponpon Shit
@@BrokenNoah That's Saburo Arasaka's favorite song.
@@BrokenNoahMe too, buddy. Me too. 😢
"I really wanna stay at your house" is also now added and the name of a repeatable side quest where you can have a date with your chosen love interest at any one of your apartments.
Easily my favourite reaction to this incredible show. Cried along with you, David and Rebecca deserved so much better. Wrong city, wrong people.
I understand the sentiment, but the whole point of the story to me is that they really didn’t deserve better. No matter how you put it neither character is conventionally a good person. David is heroic and loyal, sure, but he also is a brutal criminal, who endangered and murdered civilians. At no decision point in the story he chose anything but the most violent and self-destructive path. There is no other ending that would feel complete, he earned his Legend.
@@TaRatTinCan honestly I agree with you and stand by my initial statement at the same time. For sure, David and Becca are both criminals, mass murderers and lunatics. They spend their screen time shooting more people than you and I probably see in any given day. And in that sense you're right, they got what they signed on for. They were the boss in many other peoples peoples' stories. Adam Smasher was the boss in theirs.
What I meant in my comment tho was that, as edgerunners go, they had standards. They weren't killing and robbing for the joy of it, they were doing it because the world gave them no other choice. Because NC is cruel and living an honest life is near impossible. David was a talented student, destined for greatness within Arasaka if not for his background, a random gang shooting, his mothers involvement with Maine, his ever growing bills, the disgusting bullies he faced, rampant capitalism, I think you get the point. He was a good kid who was forced into a life where his survival depended on bad actions. For goodness sake he's 17 at the beginning of the show (I think). His head is constantly being filled with the dreams of his peers, its hardly surprising he loses sight of his humanity when the hardships he faces are so overwhelming. The only light in the storm are the hopes of his dead mother and the ambitions of the man who saves him from a life begging on the streets.
To be clear I appreciate your input, I'm a lil tipsy atm and am very passionate about this show so am using the opportunity to rant about it. So it's interesting to respond to your comment.
Especially given you only focused on the part about them deserving better. It's a gimmicky quotation, but I did also include Johnny's line, which I think actually sums up everything I've said here. They deserved better, but this world doesn't give people what they deserve. And even the people we like are rarely deserving. So I'll say again.
Wrong city, wrong people.
This is a weird misreading of the genre, but hey everyone is entitled to get what they want from it! Wouldnt say that was the writers intentions tho@@TaRatTinCan
@@TaRatTinCan David you're right to some degree, although the show also points to how David is a genuinely good person who gets fucked up by NC. The only time we see him kill civilians is when he's suffering a cyberpsychotic episode, and he only becomes a cyberpsycho because he's willing to do whatever it takes to get Lucy out of NC meaning more chrome. The first time he kills someone is after they murder one of his crew, before then we see he's hesitant to even take a gun.
Lucy is is pretty ruthless, but her circumstances are even worse. She's trained to be a weapon from a young age and used in dangerous data mining, and then is hunted by Arasaka for the rest of her life. She only ever kills people coming after her or David, which seems pretty justified to me.
He got to experience real love with lucy that's not something everyone gets to experience . I'm proud of him . If she would of died he would of just went off the edge anyways she kept him grounded . So it had to be him he got her to the moon.
Hey, here's some trauma to go with your trauma. Bout half a year ago when they released the expansion for the game, they also added in an easter egg into the game. In the graveyard where you can find eulogies for various characters that die in the course of the game, you can also find one for David written by Lucy. It says: "you didn't take me to the moon but you were there with me." There's one next to it for David's mom as well that says: "you were right. David made it to the top of Arasaka tower." There's one nearby dedicated to Pilar, Maine and Dorio that says: "you were the only family I ever had." There's one for Rebecca that says: "I regret not finishing our conversation." Finally, there's one for Kiwi hidden away in a corner saying: "you taught me to never trust anyone in NC."
Players in 2077 when they fight Adam Smasher: "David and Becca send their regards"
Every time
Forgetting someone you gonk!? Johnny sends his regards too, choom!
@@brayerkh I won't spoil it fully, but it's heavily implied in the lore that it wasn't Silverhand who fought Smasher
@@pc_buildyb0i935 I know about Blackhand. But before the show in 2077 I was mostly trying to get some payback for Johnny and Jackie. I didn’t play the entire game with Blackhand in my head as an ingram/choom, ya feel? Even so, Adam killing Rogue is a pretty good reason for Johnny to send his regards… Not to mention Adam is one of the main reasons Johnny is killed and turned into an ingram..
@@pc_buildyb0i935 Uhmmm not that familiar with the out-of-game lore, but wasn't Silverhand mortally wounded by Smasher during the escape from Arasaka Tower?. In the actual lore, I mean, not what we're shown in-game.
If so, I perfectly can see how he would want to have some nice little payback at the end of 2077...
Cyberpunk 2077 redemption should be on no 1 greatest comeback on the gaming history
From meme Cyberbug 2077 to a masterpiece
honestly yes
Probably not as big a comeback as, say, Final Fantasy 14... but I get your point, pretty amazing turnaround for what we had 2 years ago.
Yeah, Cyberpunk 2077 is up there with No Man's Sky as far as gaming redemption stories go. Both titles went from being absolutely shit on to being genuinely treasured by it's fanbases. It just goes to show that you shouldn't give up, and that mistakes can be fixed if you just put a lot of hard work into it.
Along with No Man's Sky, I agree.
No man's sky probably still has it beat since it did it through sheer game improvement. While 2077 had the anime to help get people reinvested in the world. But the 2.0 update definitely helped it to not be forced to live in the show's shadow
you have got to watch the music video for the "let you down" song. maine is in it and it follows the story of a character that isn't shown in the anime. it's pretty damn good and just as emotionally impactful as the show.
THIS WE NEED THIS
Sasha was Maine's crew runner before Kiwi.
This and blue eye samurai are just perfection. Netflix really do great anime.
I love this show.
It’s such a good story of a good kid born on the wrong side of the tracks. It’s such a tragic and emotional story about the friends and family and the love that blossomed set against the brightly lit facade of the soulless city.
And that’s I love about Cyberpunk. These beautiful characters like David and Lucy, and V and Johnny makes the emotion felt that much more vivid and impactful when set against the dreary and uncaring world of Night City.
The fact that this show can elicit such strong emotional reactions is a testament to how well it was made and performed. I still tear up when listening to the music from this show…
the OST "I really want to stay at your house" began as just a song you listen to in the world of NC. Now it is synonymous with edgerunners specifically lucy and david. After the update for phantom liberty, the title of the ost is now a sidequest where you can have a date with your love interest at any one of your apartments. This side quest can be repeated as many time as you want.
Especially with only ten 24-ish minute episodes. Some shows fail to do that with way more time investment.
there's also one "mini episode" that tells small separate story, made as music vid for one of the songs: Let You Down by Dawid Podsiadło . It's amazing as well
Becca best girl til the end 🥲
Fantastic reaction channel. ❤The song “I really want to stay at your house” will forever make me emotional now. 😢
I watched this episode as a 23 years old boy but actually I cried the same way😅
So are you a girl now?
I think most shows are such bullshit with how their story is told but not this. This show hurts because it's close to reality. No miracles. No plot armor. The city wins.
Now go listen to that song in repeat and cry like the rest of us
would love to see a playthrough of the game next, it's amazing
I think Lucy did help David live, not longer, but to feel alive when he was with her. David won too and set her free when she smiled for a moment at the end. Great reactions! Looking forward to more!
Mentioning she smiles at the end makes me cope a bit more, just finished edgerunners yesterday and I'm still horribly depressed
You two are so sweet, I love your reactions so much 😆
I’ve waited so long for this one. This show changed the game for me
“They weren’t even gonna like- …he wasn’t- waait…” 😂😂😂
When you realize that Lucy having visions of David on the moon is signs of her own irreversible descent into cyberpsychosis and that her true purpose for going to the moon is to peacefully die without causing harm to anyone.
Its easily the best piece of tragic media in my eyes. And i cant listen to that damn song without starting to tear up
watch ylia
Watch akame ga kill
The point of the show, if you could boil it down to one thing, is how Night City (and trying to live in its system) ends in ruin for everyone but a few. Doesn't matter who you are really, trying to be "great" or "somebody" in that system is an exercise in futility. The people who make it are the ones who see the cage for what it is and leave. At least, that's my read of it. There's strong commentary on society, particularly a possible future for america, baked into the universe and the stories told in it.
It honestly could happen; if technology advances enough (which is a reasonable assumption considering how fast our species has advanced from harnessing electricity to using AI), plus the mega rich corporations in the U.S., with HUGE influences in our country, government, and their service necessities.
How the show wraps up is literally just essence of what the cyberpunk game/series/universe is all about. And unfortunately that message is “Nothing good happens in Night city”
Good things happen, here and there
But it never have a happy ending
"The candle that burns twice as bright, but lasts half as long." And David Martinez has burned so very very brightly.
Hi there. Just binged this playlist of this and really loved just how genuine your reactions were. I had played the game at launch and watched the series when it was released and still can't make it through a year later without tearing up over the storytelling and just how masterfully this hits. I hope you are doing amazing, and if you haven't yet, highly recommend the 2 music videos they put out for it as well for "I Really Want to Stay At Your House" and "Let You Down". As a warning, both are expectedly emotional. "Let You Down" also serves as a mini prequel short story. But again, thank you for an amazing reaction and welcome to the support group of the shows fans.
Show is a real masterpiece. 10 episodes and they make make you love these characters then tear then away from you. hits deep, and leaves a wound.
I just finished you girls going through this entire series. I was teary eyed, but couldn’t help but laugh at the two of you. Please don’t consider my laughter to be anything other than a compliment. It was a joy to watch the rollercoaster🎢of emotions. You should definitely give the game a chance. I have never replayed a game after I’ve completed all achievements/trophies/challenges. On Cyberpunk 2077 I completed all achievements on my 2nd playthrough, and am going to complete my 4th playthrough this weekend and intend on starting my 5th. Point being the game has a replayability factor that I’ve never experienced with any other game. I really think you would enjoy it.
Adam Smasher is extremely scary, him being the NC boogyman is well deserved.
Now, you will experience the same PTSD we experience whenever you hear that song.
If you play the game, you can get revenge for Rebecca and David, though Smasher killing David was actually a mercy. The statement about Daving being turned into a construct is actually a terrible fate that was averted.
Still be sure to react to the Cyberpunk AMV "Let you Down"
Happy endings? For folks like us, in Night City? Not going to happen.
The whole point of the show is that there are no happy endings in the Night city. Animes should be more like this: Brutal and honest about how the world is really like!
You’ve officially been broken by this show like the rest of us
In the words of Stupendium, from their song “The Data Stream”: “It’s easy to cut out the middleman,
When he’s cut out most of himself.”
funny as it is, not really true. Smasher was, well, smashed by a RPG decades before 2077 and he was given the choice of getting borg'd or killed, and he went borg.
Later on he was on Arasaka Tower when the nuke went off. There wasn't much left of him afterwards, but enough to "borg him up" even more afterwards.
Bottom point, he didn't cut out most of himself". Others did that for him. Not that he had the slightest problem with that, mind you, but still...
I loved your reactions. A question I’ve asked myself is why do people watch reactions of people watching shows. The answer I’ve come to is they want to relive the moments of excitement, joy and loss.
Cyberpunk edge runners is clearly a modern tragedy with so many important issues of addiction, communication, friendship, love and loss. It’s meant to encompass all the setting of night city has to offer.
The trauma of the ending is still one of the most brutal moments I’ve watched in an anime. It’s one of those things where only people who’ve gone through it can truly understand how it made us all feel.
Rebecca for me is the hardest thing to watch. A loyal friend with unrequited love for David fighting for him only to be cut down by a monster.
Thank you for sharing your trauma and remember your not alone. We close ourselves off from each other far too often but genuine reactions, both of you sharing your vulnerabilities , helps heals that pain overtime.
Side note you probably have a patreon I haven’t signed up for but if your looking for a different palette cleanser I would like to recommend two shows.
One a hilarious, romantic comedy called Kaguya-Sama Love is War and the other an incredible fantasy adventure filled with action, hilarious writing and based off the events off a dungeons and dragons campaign, the Legend of Vox Machina.
Take care.
I love the way you wrote all this! I agree, Rebecca's fate is the hardest to watch for me as well for the reasons you listed. Really wish she could've survived with Falco and Lucy.
Y'know what makes it even more sad? Lucy told David that Cyberpunks are remembered for how they die, but at the end, she only remembers him for how he was before everything happened.
I loved your guy's reactions! I hope you enjoyed the story and always remember, no one has a happy ending in night city. Goes for the crew even David.
The point was to achieve Lucy’s dream and get her to the moon they manage to accomplish that. Cyberpunk isn’t really about happy endings not in there purest form anyways, it’s usually more bitter Sweet. There is a Point, and they do achieve the objective by the end, but probably not through the most ideal means or even with the most ideal outcome but it’s usually a half good half bad, ending, roughly.
I could not wait until you guys got to the end. Although I did follow your journey, I knew you guys would understand everything till the end. Great reaction as always
Love how they added content in the game to coincide with Edgerunners and the memorials in the game
When Maine went cyberpsycho, he hurt Kiwi and almost got the whole crew killed. I think that's why she "betrayed" them : she saw David follow the same path and decided to bail out before he went nuts. She didn't knew Lucy was her target before her capture.
Really enjoy y’all’s reactions and when I saw edgerunners I knew this episode was coming so it finally being reacted to was very bittersweet!
You girls must watch the music video clip for the ending song of the show. It expands a little bit the story, and if you girls want to pause it to read all that is showed, do it, it makes it better!
After that I really think you two should play the game and record your reactions of it. Maybe alternate who plays to each part. If you enjoyed the show, you'll love the game!
The unwritten but universally understood truth of Night City is that the city always wins. Doesn't matter if you're the emperor or a runner in the gutter.
It’s very ok to cry to this anime. Also have that song on my playlist and every time it comes on it hurts
♪But there's no happy endings, not here and not now.
♪This tale is all sorrows and woes.
♪You dream that justice and peace win the day.
♪But that's not how the story goes.
One of the few shows to actually make me cry like a baby. "I really want to stay at your house" song is what really did it. The song makes you think of so much more as the show goes on.
loved watching this with y'all hopefully the pain doesn't stick around for too long!!! i had to add i really want to stay at your house to my spotify playlist ASAP
I always amazed by anime that just has 10-12 eps but can make you cry
Shows tend to have these very heroic and dramatic deaths, but Cyberpunk does it very realistically when it comes to deaths. One moment you're there, the next you aren't. No heroic death, no dramatic farewell, no nothing.
There are no happy endings in Night City. Now go play the game, read the books, and check out the comics!
The Game breaks your heart in about 7 to 9 different ways more depending on if you buy the DLC along with the game or not ^^ All the stories in cyberpunk are very emotional and the music is just so fitting every time.
Emotional damage all over again. Great reactions. Thanks for sharing them. Now for the Let You Down MV!
What a wholesome ending ! Just how I expected the show to end !
13:39 the whole plot of the show is showing that the main character is night city. That’s exactly why the anime worked because they didn’t adapted the story of the game any story works in that city.
This was the best reaction for this show ive ever seen lmao, yall are great
"Why are they playing this song?". Easy, to wound you on a spiritual level.
you guys should really check out the game if you like this world. its actually really good!! 😍
never disappoint to saw ppl reaction this show Night City will crush u anyway. the real good ending just stay away that city :)
"A happy ending? For folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people."
I really hope you two try out the game sometime. The story is every bit as amazing as this one.
Rebecca is the GOAT of this show
Cried as much as you guys. Now, check out all the memes about before and after watching the ending, and you'll laugh a bit
Definitely recommend watching ending theme song "Let you down" on Cyberpunk yt channel.. maybe some game trailers if you want more of this world (the game is good too).
They basically copy-pasted all the loactions from the game into the anime.
Great reactions btw 🙌
Again the tears. It was so good. Loved your reaction. In the game when I found David’s jacket and Rebecca’s gun, I got all teary eyed again. Definitely a game to think about playing.
Normally after I finish a TV show I'm down for a week max 2 weeks, but this one gives me depression for a 3 months... shesh I was so in to it.
The only one that hit me so hard, that I remember, Your Lie in April.
Ah yes, when "I Really Wanna Stay At Your House" turns from a catchy track to instant pain as soon as you hear it.
Welcome to Night City. Fun fact: If you play the game, you'll actually catch that song on the in-game radio. ;)
The point was: "you don't make a name as a cyberpunk by how you live, you're remembered by how you die."
David became a real legend.
Wiped out an army of Militech and Arasaka goons. Broke into Arasaka Tower's top floor and made their counterintelligence operatives piss themselves. Went toe to toe with Adam Smasher who's been killing and chroming since the 2010's and actually lasted longer than a second! Stared death in the face with a smirk and a "fuck you" when the end came. Yeah, he earned his legend status.
"Stoo-oop" lmao what a great emotional reaction earned a sub 👏
Time to go play the game, which will also make you feel amazing and rip your heart out, especially with the recent expansion
the real villain of cyber punk and edge runners is night city it self, few make it out. Lucy did, david made sure of that. I both hated and loved how it ended.
I Really Wanna Stay At Your House plays all the time on the radio in the game, and it hit sooooo different after Edgerunners came out.
Most people don't understand the final very well. David is not dead, he's become an engram in Lucy's mind. How/Why is not shown but him being with her forever, is what matters.
ripped my heart to shreds, that ending
10:27 I love the Falco's laugh. Considering he's still mostly organic, that laugh meant "By all logic I was supposed to be dead thirteen minutes ago, I don't understand how or why I'm still alive but I'm certainly glad for it."
You don't make a name as a cyberpunk by how you live, you make a name how you die, rest easy David, eulogies aside there's actually a drink in the game to memorialize David and a grave you can find for him
We'd love to watch you play the game on stream! The anime is very accurate to the game, and the story is great. They put a lot of references to the anime into the game, and all the songs in this are also in the game, on the radio stations. Mostly on the "Body Heat" and "Vexelstrom" radio stations.
Only 10 episodes but packs such an emotional punch. Awesome reaction! You ladies need to watch the official Ending Theme song | "Let You Down" by Dawid Podsiadło. An amazing song with a little mini story involving Maine!
Night City do be like that. Nobody has a happy ending.
“Sorry, I wish we could go to the moon together” and then a flashback of all the innocent times with that song in the background was absolutely criminal, just hurts every time. The more I think about this show the more I think the writer went through some real shit and wanted us to feel that pain too, and it worked depressingly well.
Storytelling is Happiness and Tragedy. Without each of these you Gals would not of cared as much as you did for the characters.
The one thing I loved about this show is how there is no happy ending. No matter what they did or tried, Arasaka continues on, Night City continues on.
Until V shows up
There is a line you cross when you realize that this is going to be a one way trip. After this the question becomes "how are you going to go out?" and glory lies in going out with a bang... There was no future for David, he was done. There was no "happily ever after" option for him...
The light reflecting on Kiss hair from her headphones remind me of Lucys hair lol
CDPR's Cyberpunk 2077 is the story of slow death. Everything and everyone are dying and trying to grab onto something worthwhile before the end. That really flowed into this series.
that song makes me cry every time now
Smasher is 96% machine. Basically just a brain in a robot suit, maybe not even that.
I keep re watching this with you guys just to cry about it with someone else. The pain is real, man
Welcome to the club of people that can’t hear that damn song without crying
agreed. all you can try to do is laugh off the pain. i'm not sure *how* they managed to make the world cry off of less than 4 hours of a show and just one song but my god
This is by far the most emotional show in decades, it's so incredibly painful and hearing that song made me tear up for weeks after
This episode made me cry too, then the song ended up on my Spotify wrapped top 5 the next year. Rip Becca
Literally made me get back into cyberpunk just get my revenge, this show saved the cyberpunk game by increasing downloads and purchases of the game over 70%
Sometimes we forget that thanks to the sacrifice of many people we can enjoy the benefits that we experience today. For me, Rebeca is the one who most promotes this idea, that although her love was not reciprocated, she did not hesitate to sacrifice her life for what she loved, even knowing that she could never be with David.
It's still weirdly refreshing seeing peoples genuine surprise that Adam wins. For those of us whom played the game, knows he cant be defeated in the anime if he's in the game (which takes place a year after the anime).
This episode really showed why Falco was on the team. My dude is a top notch wheelman.
So happy they stuck to their guns with the ending of both this and the game. You have all these options on the ending and yet it doesn't matter what you do, V's fate is basically unchangeable.