@@jaylee9356 not really worth purchasing in the first place. It's unfortunate to hear that it hasn't arrived. His organization sounds like it's as bad as the product
Placed an order at the beginning of December, the email with tracking number was received on the junk folder then automatically deleted. I contacted them several times no response. Still didn’t receive my order and they didn’t respond to provide me with the tracking number so I can follow up.
I guess I am failing to see why someone wouldn’t just buy a normal 2 piece strap that looks more finished since you removed the whole reason of using a NATO which is to have a fail safe if a spring bar breaks.
Sorry to be blunt, but that it pointless. The whole purpose of a NATO strap is to save the watch when one spring bar breaks. This strap doesn’t do that, so you may as well wear a two-piece fabric strap.
Nato design singularly was to prevent the entire watch slipping off through loose fixed bar lugs that were common back in the day. That's the only reason for the extra strap and loop. There's a documentary about it.
@@Ipeacocks Nope. You need that pass through the bottom, otherwise any strap design would still require two spring bars to keep the watch on your wrist. With a normal NATO, the strap goes all the way around your wrist, and would stay on whether you had a watch attached to it or not, which is how 1 spring bar is enough to save the watch. The one in this video is basically turning a NATO strap into the same behavior as a normal two piece strap without being two pieces. Granted I don't think people have to worry much about spring bars coming loose, but all it takes is one time. Another benefit of the NATO is that the pressure amount and direction on the spring bar is pretty constant, which also means it's less likely to have wear and tear that can cause a spring to come loose. With a 2 piece strap, the strap uses the spring bar like a rotating hinge. With a NATO, the strap is generally just resting on the spring bar and putting some downward pressure. NATO's also don't just have one layer, but two, one above the spring bar that passes through and above the other spring bar, and one below that which passes under the spring bar. This is why if one spring bar comes off, the other one is still held.
One of my favorite features of NATO straps is that you don't have to remove spring bars to install them. So easy to change to a new strap every morning. Would love to see a version which can pass right through, without having to remove that one spring bar
LMAO… best comment on this video.. I came here to highlight the exact point in more blunt terms. As a busy dad who likes watches I can just imagine my child coming and knocking the spring out of my hand as I am trying to wear the watch in the morning. Nice attempt but with all the arguments of spring bar failure the day to day practicality of this doesn’t even work… Just don’t wear a watch if you’re that finicky
This defeats the purpose of using a Nato. Nato straps are tool straps to avoid your watch from falling off your wrist if one of the spring bars is busted. Makes no sense.
even on a Nato strap, if one spring bar is busted, you would still have another one to temporarily hold onto your watch. A Nato strap wouldn't stop the watch from flying off the end where the spring bar is busted.
Bro said “what if I ripped off a CNS Paratrooper strap… and made it worse?” 😮 Also, patent pending means nothing from a legal standpoint until it’s awarded.
I had a spring bar snap off on a field excursion . My NATO saved my watch. NATOs aren’t about “ the look.” They are designed to save your watch in rugged outdoor activities. It was never designed for desk divers.
@@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p Due to the springbars, I have had my cheap seiko come off my wrist twice at work and hit the floor. If I was wearing my nato on those occasions it would not have fallen.
Very cool. For me though, I like NATO and MN straps because they remove the negative space between the spring bar and the case that you get with a leather band and some bracelets. This isn’t for me, but well done!
The Watch Steward has been making a strap basically like this for ages. It just doesn't have the loop keepers and instead has an MN clasp. But still, pretty much the same thing.
The point of this Zero Pass is keep the NATO appearance once installed, but without the buck under the clock. This Grappleband, the CNS Paratrooper strap, the "RAF strap"... avoid the bulk, but don't have the same appearance of the NATO strap - after all people buy NATO strap due their look.
Not a fan of double pass natos. Single pass are amazing however. I think the beauty of a nato is being able to keep your watch safe in case of a spring bar failure.
I just got my honey Dijon nylon in the mail and I LOVE it! I’m using it on my white dial Hamilton Khaki Field Expedition. It’s a perfect match. The mustard strap matches the faux lume on the hands. I had completely given up on NATO straps even though I love the look. Even a single pass feels weird on my wrist. I don’t care that the zero pass loses the feature of staying put if you break a spring bar. I don’t worry about that with my other 20 rubber, leather, and metal straps. In 50 years of wearing watches I’ve never had a spring bar fail. So why would I worry about it with this one? Max, you’ve created a total hit. Way to go!!!
On the face of it, it's a, cool idea but when I think about it, it doesn't really make sense. We use NATO style straps in particularly rough environments and have to put up with the wierd loop and keeper at the side of the wrist as a, trade off for keeping the watch on your wrist if you lose a spring bar. There's no real point in having that awkward looking piece if you're not going to have the protection. It's better to buy a good standard canvas or nylon strap as it just looks better. Or, cut off the double pass bit or use an original single pass while still having the safety with a bit less bulk under the watch. A good quality single pass or a cut away NATO will not feel flimsy at all. What we have here is a strap that's not very esthetic but it doesn't provide the safety. It's basically an ugly looking strap with no real benefit with unnecessary bulk on your wrist for no good reason.
Great and will check it out for casual wear. However I use natos when I need the intended safety it’s designed for, I.e. when I go diving, and it’s already saved my watch at least once. But as said, will demo check them out.
Max, honestly this looks pretty intricate to put on every morning. Maybe needs some practice. It eliminates the safety advantages of a NATO but is still bulky, only flipped the double layer UNDER your wrist. I would prefer an innovative flat strap under my wrist when working in the office. Most of my NATOs wear good and fill the space under the lugs, so the watches sit very well (better than with single layer straps). I think I recall a similar strap technique (with leather) at a 1940s vintage watch I got offered in Switzerland about 25 years ago. Interesting you had the same idea now. Colors and designs look great and prices are ok too (my NATOS are between 12,- and 200€) Wishing you a perfect start!
So what’s the point?! Why not just get a regular thick strap? Excessive length, bulky wrist width, and still failed like any other single pass strap. At least the strap on the BB925 doesn’t have extra length. NATO straps are examples of form following function. This is talk but cannot walk. Who are these meant for? Stolen valor wrists? Disappointing.
Nice one Max, this is a great option for those watches on the thicker side who love the versatility of a NATO. Well done, I hope the sales go well. I'm certainly interested.
Criticism of the NATO strap is totally unjustified. Cutting the extra strap defeats the purpose of keeping the watch away from the wrist to allow ventilation and lessen sweating. Also the watch can be stowed by reverse looping and it provides substantial cover for the front and back of the watch when kept with other items in the bag or pocket. It's the ultimate utilitarian strap.
I would love a zero pass leather strap for the FXD. Would you consider doing removable hardware to make it fixed lug compatible for the future? Look at what Erika’s and Nick Manley designs do for fixed lug compatibility if that helps
Is there a version without the stitched in keeper? If there was I think it would be a cleaner look and would be much easier to switch out straps (and would fit on my FXD!), I would get one immediately!
This is what I was wondering. How necessary is that keeper? It would be smoother on the wrist without it. I wonder if it’s just there to replicate the look of a NATO with zero pass.
Will this come out in the 18mm? Just ONE case of many, I imagine there are a lot of seagull 1963 owners that a) don't mind paying for accoutrement more expensive that the watch and b) could really use a zero pass on that thick case for 38mm.
I have the Anachronist strap. Like with most things, there are pros and cons to it. My Omega spring bars are pretty sturdy, and I’m a desk diver. I’m not super worried about it.
But the point of a nato is security when spring bar failure occurs. You're basically complaining about a crucial feature of a nato as originally intended. A zero pass strap is not that different from a two piece nylon (looking like a nato). I appreciate the effort but this is fixing a non-existent problem.
I’m going to point out the obvious: this design forgoes the primary advantage of a nato/Zulu strap - if a single spring bar goes, so does the whole watch. I use natos when out on the water.
@@WatchCrunchOfficial honestly, I got about half way through before clicking away because IMHO it was all a little ridiculous. I did see that it was mentioned, but I’d already written the comment and still believe it stands. You can buy a regular watch strap made of nylon for a nato appearance if you don’t want the underpass. The whole thing smacks of solving a problem that doesn’t exist, or if you want to put it another way, solving a problem that’s already been solved but doing it in an alternative and inferior way. No matter how you slice it, I wouldn’t consider the new thing to be superior in any way to any of the alternative old things. And it eliminates the primary advantage of the old solution. No matter how I look at it, the new thing doesn’t have a purpose, IMO. And it specifically eliminates a purpose of the old thing. But hey, the world is full of all kinds. If you can sell something to them, what do I care? I’m not buying it. 🤷
You’ve totally removed all the benefits of a true NATO type strap. As far as the so called feeling of the strap under the watch I don’t find it noticeable As far as fitting under a cuff you’re version doesn’t eliminate it either being just as bulky if not more so on the sides. A nato isn’t meant to be worn with a dress shirt.
Nice product! However I have a 9.25 wrist. Wear 60mm watch and use NATO now. I like the fact there is not material underneath the watch. Do you make longer versions?
Fun idea! It looks like you took the single pass NATO strap and widened the inner loop to allow the hand to pass through. The tradeoff from a practicality standpoint is reasonable (just look at any standard watch strap and if a spring bar breaks the watch will fall), but I think the fact that you have to slide your hand through before tightening (as opposed to just slapping it on your wrist) makes this more of a difficult sell (Apple does this with their elastic bands, but now there is the added complexity of tightening it down). Could you have achieved a similar aesthetic result (and I guess conventional result if we're considering the weight distribution) with a conventional 2-piece fabric strap by just doubling the layers?
I could definitely see a version without the extra metal keeper at 6 (so you could just slide the whole strap through ) work well for watches with fixed springars like for the Tudor Pelagos FXD. No springbars to break, so it would be the perfect use for your design
Sorry, but all you did is to defeat the purpose of a NATO or Zulu strap. Now if a spring bar breaks, the watch falls off your wrist. Recommend a Zulu strap for one layer below the watch OR the alternate method of attaching a standard NATO that again is only one layer below the watch which also has the added benefit of now moving the strap to the bottom of the wrist versus on the outside, which is just plain annoying.
So basically you remove the intended functionality of the NATO and just focus on aesthetics. The antithesis of what a tool watch is all about but hey look, it’s thinner!!
Never had a problem with the supposed bulk/height of a NATO, and I wear a lot on various watches. As I type this I have a 42mm diver on a leather NATO/Zulu and doesn’t feel tall or “wobbly”
I don’t have any issues with the strap running under the watch on NATO straps. What I don’t care for is the extra bulk created by the strap looping up and back through the keepers which this strap sadly preserves.
Congratulations! Does it come with different length. I don’t like the look of two fold at the end, it was my main issue to go with nato straps. For my BB 58 I ordered the original nato strap
🔥 WHAT SIZE LUG WIDTH WILL IT FIT? 🔥 .. Nevermind. 20mm and 22mm. I saw that on your site. I just bought two. Can’t wait. Thank you for solving a problem I can’t believe nobody solved until now. 👊🍻
The thing I like about the nato is that it puts material between wrist and watch. This stops sweating and sticking. So I simply use the single pass over the back of the watch and the bulk goes under the bottom of my wrist. Best compromise. But nice alternative design. Well done.
I actually do manual labor daily while wearing nice German, Japanese and Swiss watches. I like my watches to be used and aged as functional tools rather than status jewelry . I pop spring bars regularly. I also use my dive watches to dive, and have likewise popped spring bars under water. A NATO is a functional tool for me. This idea is the equivalent of pumping fake motor noise through speakers in a modern Porsche. There will be a guy who loses his Rolex because of this idea.
Max crunchy brother hey with that material what do you think about putting a deployment clasp on it kind of like the orias almost like a nylon NATO but more like a braided nylon leash you've seen the Oreos with a deployment clasp think about it I would purchase one from you also make the band uniform no taper and in a 20 mm for those of us who often switch bands between watches
Congrats on developing a new design. Personally, as well as the strap thickness behind the caseback, I hate the visual bulk above 12 o'clock and the keeper below 6. What are the advantages of this compared to a two piece nylon strap which will look sleeker yet also utilitarian? Still happy you're doing something new!
We're thrilled to have had the opportunity to collaborate with you on this exciting new project! 🙌This design is bound to reshape people's perceptions of NATO straps, without a doubt!
@@WatchCrunchOfficial brooo you're getting destroyed in the comments. Apparently the poor folk who paid months ago have not even received it!!! And your product is crap. It's a sad sad day in the watch world.
I love how easy it is to change nato straps for different looks, I love knowing that 1 missing spring bar won't drop my watch, but these aren't essential for everyday. I do congratulate you on the innovation shown here in such an established form factor of a wristwatch. I'm looking forward to giving one a go 👌
Very similar to a Marine Nationale as in putting the spring bars over the strap and feeding your hand through less the single pass of a MN..SUPERB invention love it....
Folks, check out the Zuludiver Octopod. It is clean, has no foldovers or hangers, and has the convenience and security of a milled bracelet clasp. Please pass on the ribbed straps because they are stiff and a PITA for exchanges. The standard and elastic straps are fantastic. Brilliant clasp concept.
The primary function of a NATO strap is to prevent the watch from being lost if one of the spring bars breaks. In this “No pass” system, this factor is lost and we have a watch strap without this functionality. I don’t know if it’s worth it.
almost flicked away at the infomercial style in the beginning, but hung around and can see it's a decent idea - and good job on sourcing that leather you should probably link the site in the description box
Would love for someone to design a nato strap where the “bulk” resides on the underside of the wrist rather than on the side. Especially for a small wrist like mine where you have to tuck the end of the strap in that extra bulk above the 12 o’clock looks unsightly when you’re looking at the watch imo
Zero Point strap! None of the functionality of a real NATO strap and more inconvenient to wear than a conventional two piece strap. What is the value of a phoney military strap that can't be fitted to a fixed bar military watch and offers no protection if one of the (now exposed) spring bars fails on a civilian watch? Zero.
Yooooooo! I just got my zero pass in. I am not a NATO guy. I have always wanted to be and could never find anything that works. Obviously the function of a traditional NATO is out the window, but I am also not storming the beaches of Normandy. It looks and feels so awesome! I will be ordering one of every color and I will be begging for more colors! Awesome product.
I bought the honey Dijon for my Tudor BB pro. Looks great, but the strap is too Short for my 7.5 inch wrist. Yes, I can technically get to to fit… but then there is an annoying tongue sticking out instead of being folded over. It just looks lame like that. People don’t buy a nato to have it *barely fit*, part to the whole look of a nato is to fold the remaining strap under the final keeper. I will be retuning the strap. I really hope they come out with a longer version for bigger wrists so we thicker chaps can enjoy this product too. (Cause I really do like it).
I think it largely depends on the watch. I have no problem at all with the double pass on my watches, it barely shows. Also, the fact that it's a bit upward removes the problem of the crown scratching the hand skin : it gives more flexibility to the hand, especially when I am physically active. Finally, I appreciate the fact that I can change the strap without touching the springs.
@@bbuck1bbuck1 Yes. It's a debate on NATO and as the majority seems to not like NATO design, I thought I would share a different opinion and defend it. Don't take it as a criticism or an agression for the project, anyway, just reading at the comments, there is obviously a market so it's going to work. We all have a choice now. Just a gentleman talk, thank you.
I like this idea a lot and would buy a grey for my FXD… a complementary blue for the MN would sell very well, I bet. But $55 CAD for shipping to Canada is obscene, so I’m a no for now. 😕
I was also hoping this would work for an FXD and am sad it won’t. Look at Nick Manley straps for another zero pass option (you have to select the fixed lug compatible version). Downside is Nick has a 3 month wait after you order
Find the Zero Pass strap at: www.anachronist.shop
That is awesome! Do you ship to Europe?
Makes me want to vomit. What a stupid idea.
Can I get my product? Purchased 12/8/23 and still do not have a tracking # or a resolution as of 1/3/24.
@@jaylee9356 not really worth purchasing in the first place. It's unfortunate to hear that it hasn't arrived. His organization sounds like it's as bad as the product
Placed an order at the beginning of December, the email with tracking number was received on the junk folder then automatically deleted. I contacted them several times no response. Still didn’t receive my order and they didn’t respond to provide me with the tracking number so I can follow up.
I guess I am failing to see why someone wouldn’t just buy a normal 2 piece strap that looks more finished since you removed the whole reason of using a NATO which is to have a fail safe if a spring bar breaks.
This only makes sense if you have the Tutor FXD.
@@bbuck1bbuck1even then... it doesn't make sense.
Although I agree with you, I think some people may just want the nato look without the added thickness.
@@bbuck1bbuck1His strap doesn't work with fixed lugs.
Was gonna say this. Looks like NATO but has none of the functionality. Good luck w/ your product - I’m sure there’s a market.
Soooooo you made a longer strap to just loop it differently making it less secure. This isn't that great of an idea
And also they spent 3 years doing it :))
Sorry to be blunt, but that it pointless. The whole purpose of a NATO strap is to save the watch when one spring bar breaks. This strap doesn’t do that, so you may as well wear a two-piece fabric strap.
But one piece strap can solve the problem with losing one springbar. Doesn't it?
Nato design singularly was to prevent the entire watch slipping off through loose fixed bar lugs that were common back in the day. That's the only reason for the extra strap and loop. There's a documentary about it.
@@Ipeacocks Nope. You need that pass through the bottom, otherwise any strap design would still require two spring bars to keep the watch on your wrist. With a normal NATO, the strap goes all the way around your wrist, and would stay on whether you had a watch attached to it or not, which is how 1 spring bar is enough to save the watch. The one in this video is basically turning a NATO strap into the same behavior as a normal two piece strap without being two pieces. Granted I don't think people have to worry much about spring bars coming loose, but all it takes is one time. Another benefit of the NATO is that the pressure amount and direction on the spring bar is pretty constant, which also means it's less likely to have wear and tear that can cause a spring to come loose. With a 2 piece strap, the strap uses the spring bar like a rotating hinge. With a NATO, the strap is generally just resting on the spring bar and putting some downward pressure. NATO's also don't just have one layer, but two, one above the spring bar that passes through and above the other spring bar, and one below that which passes under the spring bar. This is why if one spring bar comes off, the other one is still held.
You better buy yourself a regular leather strap because this has no purpose whatsoever. Another one who try's to invent warm water.
Came to comment exactly this lmao just buy a 2-piece strap at this point.
One of my favorite features of NATO straps is that you don't have to remove spring bars to install them. So easy to change to a new strap every morning. Would love to see a version which can pass right through, without having to remove that one spring bar
Without upsetting, its perfectly possibly to do a zero pass with a normal single pass nato
@@kbeightysevenI'd imagine you'd need a longer strap, right? I'm not sure how I'd do it with a standard single pass NATO.
@tomek1678 yes a long nato
Quick release spring bars would only add a few seconds to the process if you did it every day or so and got good at it
This is like trying to get into the drivers seat in a car, but from the trunk.
LMAO… best comment on this video..
I came here to highlight the exact point in more blunt terms. As a busy dad who likes watches I can just imagine my child coming and knocking the spring out of my hand as I am trying to wear the watch in the morning.
Nice attempt but with all the arguments of spring bar failure the day to day practicality of this doesn’t even work…
Just don’t wear a watch if you’re that finicky
😂😂😂😂😂
This defeats the purpose of using a Nato. Nato straps are tool straps to avoid your watch from falling off your wrist if one of the spring bars is busted. Makes no sense.
It’s for aesthetic and balance, not for the purpose of a nato. If you are a purpose-driven enthusiast, you won’t want this strap.
@@drkesrf Just buy a two-piece strap lmao
even on a Nato strap, if one spring bar is busted, you would still have another one to temporarily hold onto your watch. A Nato strap wouldn't stop the watch from flying off the end where the spring bar is busted.
Bro said “what if I ripped off a CNS Paratrooper strap… and made it worse?” 😮
Also, patent pending means nothing from a legal standpoint until it’s awarded.
There's already 2-piece Nato strap out there
3years+,you say?? I took my strap to a tailor's,had it cut and sewn. Took like half an hour.
I may be a genius.
I had a spring bar snap off on a field excursion . My NATO saved my watch. NATOs aren’t about “ the look.” They are designed to save your watch in rugged outdoor activities. It was never designed for desk divers.
99% of people are not using it for safety stop coping
Spot on. Desk Divers . With money to burn. 😂😅
@@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p Due to the springbars, I have had my cheap seiko come off my wrist twice at work and hit the floor. If I was wearing my nato on those occasions it would not have fallen.
Very cool. For me though, I like NATO and MN straps because they remove the negative space between the spring bar and the case that you get with a leather band and some bracelets. This isn’t for me, but well done!
Honestly It looks good I get it why. But wouldn't be an hasle to wear and remove it everytime, just doesn't seem practical to me.
The Watch Steward has been making a strap basically like this for ages. It just doesn't have the loop keepers and instead has an MN clasp. But still, pretty much the same thing.
I was thinking this. I’m all for more cool options, but nothing has been “invented” here. A pre-existing idea has been adapted to apply to NATOs 🤨
You lost me when you said it didn't do the function of what the Nato strap was designed to do but keep the look.
Hawkrigger "Grappleband Fixed Bar" is a very similar concept and eliminates the excess fold over for those that dislike the bulk.
Lol man, this is literally a copy of the Grappleband with just different hardware.
The point of this Zero Pass is keep the NATO appearance once installed, but without the buck under the clock.
This Grappleband, the CNS Paratrooper strap, the "RAF strap"... avoid the bulk, but don't have the same appearance of the NATO strap - after all people buy NATO strap due their look.
The definition of solving a problem that doesn't exist
Not a fan of double pass natos. Single pass are amazing however. I think the beauty of a nato is being able to keep your watch safe in case of a spring bar failure.
Well you could always just sneak a piece of thread inside both parts the zero pass strap at the springbars.
Imagine having springbars fail
Laughs in pocket watch user
Are you guys on the spectrum? You're not in the military lmao
I just chop off the extra loop on a NATO strap and turn it into a pass through. I can never find the design I like on pass throughs.
I just got my honey Dijon nylon in the mail and I LOVE it! I’m using it on my white dial Hamilton Khaki Field Expedition. It’s a perfect match. The mustard strap matches the faux lume on the hands. I had completely given up on NATO straps even though I love the look. Even a single pass feels weird on my wrist. I don’t care that the zero pass loses the feature of staying put if you break a spring bar. I don’t worry about that with my other 20 rubber, leather, and metal straps. In 50 years of wearing watches I’ve never had a spring bar fail. So why would I worry about it with this one? Max, you’ve created a total hit. Way to go!!!
On the face of it, it's a, cool idea but when I think about it, it doesn't really make sense. We use NATO style straps in particularly rough environments and have to put up with the wierd loop and keeper at the side of the wrist as a, trade off for keeping the watch on your wrist if you lose a spring bar. There's no real point in having that awkward looking piece if you're not going to have the protection. It's better to buy a good standard canvas or nylon strap as it just looks better. Or, cut off the double pass bit or use an original single pass while still having the safety with a bit less bulk under the watch. A good quality single pass or a cut away NATO will not feel flimsy at all. What we have here is a strap that's not very esthetic but it doesn't provide the safety. It's basically an ugly looking strap with no real benefit with unnecessary bulk on your wrist for no good reason.
Great and will check it out for casual wear. However I use natos when I need the intended safety it’s designed for, I.e. when I go diving, and it’s already saved my watch at least once.
But as said, will demo check them out.
interesting design but curious why this is superior to a normal 2 piece strap?
because it's one piece ;)
Max, honestly this looks pretty intricate to put on every morning. Maybe needs some practice.
It eliminates the safety advantages of a NATO but is still bulky, only flipped the double layer UNDER your wrist. I would prefer an innovative flat strap under my wrist when working in the office.
Most of my NATOs wear good and fill the space under the lugs, so the watches sit very well (better than with single layer straps).
I think I recall a similar strap technique (with leather) at a 1940s vintage watch I got offered in Switzerland about 25 years ago. Interesting you had the same idea now.
Colors and designs look great and prices are ok too (my NATOS are between 12,- and 200€)
Wishing you a perfect start!
No offense, but a regular watch strap does the same thing
I know right?
bruh just get a 3 ring zulu strap. it’s less thick but you still get the robustness of a nato strap.
So what’s the point?!
Why not just get a regular thick strap? Excessive length, bulky wrist width, and still failed like any other single pass strap.
At least the strap on the BB925 doesn’t have extra length.
NATO straps are examples of form following function.
This is talk but cannot walk.
Who are these meant for?
Stolen valor wrists?
Disappointing.
Hope your day gets better bud 😂
This sacrifices function for form, i guess it depends on which one is more important to you.
Nice one Max, this is a great option for those watches on the thicker side who love the versatility of a NATO. Well done, I hope the sales go well. I'm certainly interested.
Ok, but the purpose of a NATO is to ensure even if one lug fails the watch is not lost. Doesn’t this mean you lose your watch now if not side fails,
Criticism of the NATO strap is totally unjustified. Cutting the extra strap defeats the purpose of keeping the watch away from the wrist to allow ventilation and lessen sweating. Also the watch can be stowed by reverse looping and it provides substantial cover for the front and back of the watch when kept with other items in the bag or pocket. It's the ultimate utilitarian strap.
I would love a zero pass leather strap for the FXD. Would you consider doing removable hardware to make it fixed lug compatible for the future? Look at what Erika’s and Nick Manley designs do for fixed lug compatibility if that helps
We definitely prototyped it, will keep your comment in mind, thanks!
Yah, more options for the FXD would be fantastic
Thank you for this comment. I was on my way to purchase the grey one for my FXD but glad I didn’t blind fire the credit card trigger!
The marine national is the perfect rugged watch strap. The watch sits low, it's super secure and it has a classic look
Isn't this just a different way to thread a NATO Strap through the spring bars.
*What did you use the Dremel for during the product development?
Is there a version without the stitched in keeper? If there was I think it would be a cleaner look and would be much easier to switch out straps (and would fit on my FXD!), I would get one immediately!
This is what I was wondering. How necessary is that keeper? It would be smoother on the wrist without it. I wonder if it’s just there to replicate the look of a NATO with zero pass.
Now I think about it without that keeper it’s just a long single pass. Not patentable and doesn’t replicate the look of a NATO
Good point, but I would prefer it without the keeper.
It gets too floppy without the extra keeper, and I found I had to readjust the overlap throughout the day
@@WatchCrunchOfficial Cool. Well I’m glad it’s functional as well as looking the part. I wish you success with this product
Will this come out in the 18mm? Just ONE case of many, I imagine there are a lot of seagull 1963 owners that a) don't mind paying for accoutrement more expensive that the watch and b) could really use a zero pass on that thick case for 38mm.
Exactly, this is great on thicker watches. 18 coming soon
I have the Anachronist strap. Like with most things, there are pros and cons to it. My Omega spring bars are pretty sturdy, and I’m a desk diver. I’m not super worried about it.
I've actually worn my NATO's with cheap spring bars so I had that reason. :D And sure enough, a bar did fail once. I didn't even notice.
But the point of a nato is security when spring bar failure occurs. You're basically complaining about a crucial feature of a nato as originally intended. A zero pass strap is not that different from a two piece nylon (looking like a nato). I appreciate the effort but this is fixing a non-existent problem.
I’m going to point out the obvious: this design forgoes the primary advantage of a nato/Zulu strap - if a single spring bar goes, so does the whole watch. I use natos when out on the water.
did you watch the video? This was mentioned heavily
@@WatchCrunchOfficial honestly, I got about half way through before clicking away because IMHO it was all a little ridiculous. I did see that it was mentioned, but I’d already written the comment and still believe it stands. You can buy a regular watch strap made of nylon for a nato appearance if you don’t want the underpass. The whole thing smacks of solving a problem that doesn’t exist, or if you want to put it another way, solving a problem that’s already been solved but doing it in an alternative and inferior way. No matter how you slice it, I wouldn’t consider the new thing to be superior in any way to any of the alternative old things. And it eliminates the primary advantage of the old solution. No matter how I look at it, the new thing doesn’t have a purpose, IMO. And it specifically eliminates a purpose of the old thing.
But hey, the world is full of all kinds. If you can sell something to them, what do I care? I’m not buying it. 🤷
You’ve totally removed all the benefits of a true NATO type strap.
As far as the so called feeling of the strap under the watch I don’t find it noticeable
As far as fitting under a cuff you’re version doesn’t eliminate it either being just as bulky if not more so on the sides.
A nato isn’t meant to be worn with a dress shirt.
NATO straps are for not loosing a Watch, this strap will not help with that.
I always cut the second strap. and I always use a single strap - because if I lose a spring bar - the other is holding the watch in place.
so when will you come out with a version that works on fixed bars? anything in the works?
Nice product! However I have a 9.25 wrist. Wear 60mm watch and use NATO now. I like the fact there is not material underneath the watch. Do you make longer versions?
I like them but I see on your website that they won’t fit my 8” wrist. Please make some bigger ones!!!
Maybe it ok for the Tudor fxd, unless the strap breaks, which is quite uncommon it’s a good option to reduce thickness
Fun idea! It looks like you took the single pass NATO strap and widened the inner loop to allow the hand to pass through. The tradeoff from a practicality standpoint is reasonable (just look at any standard watch strap and if a spring bar breaks the watch will fall), but I think the fact that you have to slide your hand through before tightening (as opposed to just slapping it on your wrist) makes this more of a difficult sell (Apple does this with their elastic bands, but now there is the added complexity of tightening it down). Could you have achieved a similar aesthetic result (and I guess conventional result if we're considering the weight distribution) with a conventional 2-piece fabric strap by just doubling the layers?
It has the downsides of both the nato and a normal strap! I'm not sure I see the point in this
We wanted to keep it to one piece and retain the nato aesthetic. There are more additions than just lengthening the strap if you look closer ;)
I could definitely see a version without the extra metal keeper at 6 (so you could just slide the whole strap through ) work well for watches with fixed springars like for the Tudor Pelagos FXD. No springbars to break, so it would be the perfect use for your design
I have never owned a NATO strap. I think this defeats the purpose personally. But having tried neither how can I know?
Sorry, but all you did is to defeat the purpose of a NATO or Zulu strap. Now if a spring bar breaks, the watch falls off your wrist.
Recommend a Zulu strap for one layer below the watch OR the alternate method of attaching a standard NATO that again is only one layer below the watch which also has the added benefit of now moving the strap to the bottom of the wrist versus on the outside, which is just plain annoying.
This is clearly addressed in the video
Looks cumbersome to take off. I might break the spring bars as I take it off lol. It is a fresh idea though.
So basically you remove the intended functionality of the NATO and just focus on aesthetics. The antithesis of what a tool watch is all about but hey look, it’s thinner!!
They look great Max - best ideas are always simple! Be good if David (at ST) could ship direct for your UK customers - is that a possibility?
Yes I will talk to him about this if the launch goes well
Love the straps, I think I'm going to try one on a Glycine Goldeneye but don't know if it should be Ron Burgundy (prob) or Anthracite
Never had a problem with the supposed bulk/height of a NATO, and I wear a lot on various watches. As I type this I have a 42mm diver on a leather NATO/Zulu and doesn’t feel tall or “wobbly”
Lol. I've had my spring bars fail and the nato strap has saved my watch from just obliterating itself from my stupidity.
I don’t have any issues with the strap running under the watch on NATO straps. What I don’t care for is the extra bulk created by the strap looping up and back through the keepers which this strap sadly preserves.
Just received mine today. Have to say this is pretty amazing. I am impressed. Good job!
I cut the second strap off and then moved the watch down on the strap so the fold over part is on the bottom of my wrist and it doesn’t look weird
Congratulations! Does it come with different length. I don’t like the look of two fold at the end, it was my main issue to go with nato straps. For my BB 58 I ordered the original nato strap
Totally defeats the intended purpose of a NATO strap……to stop the head of the watch from being lost if a spring bar fails.
Great! I would order if there where blacked or titanium buckles.
I love this. But the shipping to Australia is far too expensive. $66 AUD just for shipping
just changed it to a standard $35 for international
@@WatchCrunchOfficial do you understand the concept of exchange rates?
$35 for shipping, skimming money from the failed strap and shipping. Yuck fou.
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🔥 WHAT SIZE LUG WIDTH WILL IT FIT? 🔥 .. Nevermind. 20mm and 22mm. I saw that on your site. I just bought two. Can’t wait. Thank you for solving a problem I can’t believe nobody solved until now. 👊🍻
Let's go Harry 😁!!
Why even bother? Just go and buy a regular strap... This defeats the purpose of a NATO strap.
The thing I like about the nato is that it puts material between wrist and watch. This stops sweating and sticking. So I simply use the single pass over the back of the watch and the bulk goes under the bottom of my wrist. Best compromise.
But nice alternative design. Well done.
I actually do manual labor daily while wearing nice German, Japanese and Swiss watches. I like my watches to be used and aged as functional tools rather than status jewelry . I pop spring bars regularly. I also use my dive watches to dive, and have likewise popped spring bars under water. A NATO is a functional tool for me. This idea is the equivalent of pumping fake motor noise through speakers in a modern Porsche. There will be a guy who loses his Rolex because of this idea.
So it’s a single pass strap tied differently?
Max crunchy brother hey with that material what do you think about putting a deployment clasp on it kind of like the orias almost like a nylon NATO but more like a braided nylon leash you've seen the Oreos with a deployment clasp think about it I would purchase one from you also make the band uniform no taper and in a 20 mm for those of us who often switch bands between watches
Good idea, but I really wanted to retain that Nato aesthetic on this one!
Have you started shipping the Zero Pass Straps yet? Placed an order on 12/8 and wanted to see if they'd arrive by Christmas.
Congrats on developing a new design.
Personally, as well as the strap thickness behind the caseback, I hate the visual bulk above 12 o'clock and the keeper below 6.
What are the advantages of this compared to a two piece nylon strap which will look sleeker yet also utilitarian?
Still happy you're doing something new!
I like the tuck, and wanted to stick with one piece design
I choose any belt type strap like marine nationale, nato, zulu etc for one reason: Safe the watch, so nonsense for that strap.
Lol I came up with this when I first got into watches, but natos always looked cheap so i never wore them 😅 I didn't realize this was new!
Great minds think alike
@@WatchCrunchOfficial Haha clearly! Good luck with your strap store!
Why did we start with the first spring bar taken completely off? 😵💫
You lost me at Seal Team 9😅😅😅…Defeats the purpose of a NATO strap, good job 😂😂😂
We're thrilled to have had the opportunity to collaborate with you on this exciting new project! 🙌This design is bound to reshape people's perceptions of NATO straps, without a doubt!
@twostickstraps you guys are a class act through this entire process, thanks so much for helping to bring this from idea to reality!
Hahah but it isn’t a nato anymore
@@WatchCrunchOfficial brooo you're getting destroyed in the comments. Apparently the poor folk who paid months ago have not even received it!!! And your product is crap. It's a sad sad day in the watch world.
I love how easy it is to change nato straps for different looks, I love knowing that 1 missing spring bar won't drop my watch, but these aren't essential for everyday. I do congratulate you on the innovation shown here in such an established form factor of a wristwatch. I'm looking forward to giving one a go 👌
Very similar to a Marine Nationale as in putting the spring bars over the strap and feeding your hand through less the single pass of a MN..SUPERB invention love it....
After a few days of having it on the wrist its really awesome!
Just ordered my grey zero pass NATO. Would love to see a navy blue option down the road 😎
Can the zero pass parachute strap be next?
Folks, check out the Zuludiver Octopod. It is clean, has no foldovers or hangers, and has the convenience and security of a milled bracelet clasp. Please pass on the ribbed straps because they are stiff and a PITA for exchanges. The standard and elastic straps are fantastic. Brilliant clasp concept.
The whole point of this is having those keepers there for the look.
@JohnnyPhate. Remember that competition is good. The best concept wins. It is what it is.
yeah but the octopod clasp is overly long, too long for many wrists and long than L2L of many watches.
Love this, happy to support you. Just bought two!
@@JimLecinski Clearly, you've never owned one or handled one in person. Your take is blatantly false.
The primary function of a NATO strap is to prevent the watch from being lost if one of the spring bars breaks. In this “No pass” system, this factor is lost and we have a watch strap without this functionality. I don’t know if it’s worth it.
I literally had this idea after buying a Nick Mankey strap and couldn’t believe nobody had done it. Thank you for making this!
Cheers!
A zero pass nato is kinda like a dive style watch though, isn't it? Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with either.
thewatchsteward has done the same with the marine nationale straps. Makes a world of difference in terms of comfort.
almost flicked away at the infomercial style in the beginning, but hung around and can see it's a decent idea - and good job on sourcing that leather
you should probably link the site in the description box
Good idea!
Would love for someone to design a nato strap where the “bulk” resides on the underside of the wrist rather than on the side. Especially for a small wrist like mine where you have to tuck the end of the strap in that extra bulk above the 12 o’clock looks unsightly when you’re looking at the watch imo
Use a single pass NATO and wear the watch lower on the strap.
Zero Point strap! None of the functionality of a real NATO strap and more inconvenient to wear than a conventional two piece strap. What is the value of a phoney military strap that can't be fitted to a fixed bar military watch and offers no protection if one of the (now exposed) spring bars fails on a civilian watch? Zero.
Yooooooo! I just got my zero pass in. I am not a NATO guy. I have always wanted to be and could never find anything that works. Obviously the function of a traditional NATO is out the window, but I am also not storming the beaches of Normandy. It looks and feels so awesome! I will be ordering one of every color and I will be begging for more colors! Awesome product.
"Never had one fail on me." Everybody knows what's a statement to regret later.
I bought the honey Dijon for my Tudor BB pro. Looks great, but the strap is too
Short for my 7.5 inch wrist. Yes, I can technically get to to fit… but then there is an annoying tongue sticking out instead of being folded over. It just looks lame like that. People don’t buy a nato to have it *barely fit*, part to the whole look of a nato is to fold the remaining strap under the final keeper.
I will be retuning the strap. I really hope they come out with a longer version for bigger wrists so we thicker chaps can enjoy this product too. (Cause I really do like it).
Love what you’ve done here. Any plans to make a thinner version that will fit a pelagos fxd?
is that just.a longer nato ?
No
Would love to have a version of this where I didn't need to remove the 12 o'clock spring bar.
Shoot, man I was hoping this would work on my Bertucci fixed spring bar field watch because the materials look good.
I think it largely depends on the watch. I have no problem at all with the double pass on my watches, it barely shows. Also, the fact that it's a bit upward removes the problem of the crown scratching the hand skin : it gives more flexibility to the hand, especially when I am physically active.
Finally, I appreciate the fact that I can change the strap without touching the springs.
Okay well if it’s not a problem for you then you won’t buy it. I mean.
@@bbuck1bbuck1 Yes. It's a debate on NATO and as the majority seems to not like NATO design, I thought I would share a different opinion and defend it.
Don't take it as a criticism or an agression for the project, anyway, just reading at the comments, there is obviously a market so it's going to work.
We all have a choice now.
Just a gentleman talk, thank you.
The infomercialesque format was a bit cheesy, but I ordered a Ron Burgundy for my 14060, and a Slate Grey for my son. Best of luck to you!
I like this idea a lot and would buy a grey for my FXD… a complementary blue for the MN would sell very well, I bet.
But $55 CAD for shipping to Canada is obscene, so I’m a no for now. 😕
Hmm let me check the settings on that, sounds too much
By the way, this won't fit on fixed lugs
I was also hoping this would work for an FXD and am sad it won’t. Look at Nick Manley straps for another zero pass option (you have to select the fixed lug compatible version). Downside is Nick has a 3 month wait after you order
Hawkrigger Grappleband Fixed bars will work on your watch.