After years of meditation and countless psychedelic experiences I can say this: Psychedelics can give insights, even show the truth behind existence, but still, they are only peak experiences. They override certain paths in the brain and the identification with ego dissolves. The problem is, that this only lasts as long as the trip lasts. With mediation the ego dissolves much slower but it dissolves permanently. That being said, I would not be here, without psychedelics.
Meditation is the Integration of the Psychedelic. You take psychedelic, it reminds you how to get yourself in your more natural/enlightened state(if you will) then you have to do the hard work to sustain and stabilize that state indefinitely, but if you go back to your old life and habits, then of course it won't stick.
@@chiselcheswick5673 you had no pre-existing anxieties before taking them? Best advice I can offer is to keep following your inituition down the spiritual path. Something brought you here, follow it through.
Ram Dass tells the story of his guru getting fed up with his ravings about psychedelics. "Give me your Jesus medicine" he finally said to Ram Dass one evening. So Ram Dass gave him a dose. Two hours later, the guru said "more." He obliged. An hour later the guru asked for more again. In fact, he wound up taking such a heroic dose that Ram Dass was convinced he had killed him. Or that the guru would be driven mad. Implacable, the guru asked Ram Dass to leave so he could meditate alone. Ram Dass paced anxiously for the rest of the night, on pins and needles. The next morning he was finally allowed back to see him. He was surprised to see his guru sitting normally and that he seemed exactly the same. The guru grinned at him and said "Jesus comes, but he doesn't stay."
You came across very well, with humility and groundedness, even when misunderstood. Glad Rupert understood you in the end, though ;). Enjoy the expanding exploration of the ever-shining light!
In my first LSD-experience I suddenly had the feeling of merging with my physical surroundings. It was incredible and very peaceful. It made me realize that I and the world are not separate but one. I never lost this insight. Psychedelics have great potential but are definitely not for everyone, imho.
I had the same profound experience until I was distracted by the odd hyena etc running through the park in Amsterdam and people with their heads on upside down
As a fellow psychedelic user (mushrooms, lsd, dmt), this is the most articulate expression of the true meaning and arrival of psychedelic use. Rupert never ceases to impress me in his ability to articulate the nature of consciousness and phenomenology, it's truly profound. love.
And for those of us for whom the hardness of the world calcifies the ego into a hard shell, psychedelics can return us to ourselves. It’s not for everyone, but it can be a helpful dissolution of the hardness we build to survive.
Im no entirely of the same opinion. Why focus on the questioner instead of the question? As the non-dual teaching and advaita vedanta teaches us and tirelessly suggest to us is that the _question_ "Who am I?" is more important than who I am as a relative form.
I’ve been waiting for Rupert to talk about this topic & have also had many psychedelic experiences with 5-MEO DMT, Mushrooms and LSD. I have experienced oneness & infinite awareness a few times now, which put me on a path towards learning about non-duality. As Rupert said, the light is always shining, but the psychedelic experience can remove the veiling (thoughts, feelings, senses e.g) & the ego, which can help remove this veil, but the light is always shining, just often obscured. I guess all of our finite minds choose to experience this shining from our own preferences/methods, and we should all respect which ever path one chooses to experience this veiling. Thanks Rupert!
True, each one is free to do as they wish. Still, I cannot help but encourage everyone to not take psychedelics, and instead begin meditating. Why? Because I know it’s better. As Rupert said in the end of this video, there needs to be an understanding that psychedelic trips will not bring us closer to ourselves. Psychedelics - temporary glimpse Meditation - permanent change Nirvana can only be realized through meditation, not psychedelic drugs.
@@שגהש that’s your own personal experience, the best meditation which have been life changing for me were on psychedelics, I meditate every day also. But that’s my own personal experience. Understand that others will be different to your own experience, this is why different religious fundamentalists views don’t get along, (my opinion/belief is correct and yours is not). Try to just be open that other perspectives will be different to your own perspectives.
I agree, Love is like the sun ever shining that can only be covered by our thoughts and feelings, but dmt is sending a spacecraft on the sun's surface :-)
DMT can only produce a glint of the full light of awareness. You want permanent immersion to become a living reality, then don't take psychedelics and learn to meditate from a master with non-dual teachings.
I was thinking the same thing, two massive hits of 5-Meo, lets hear what he says 15 minutes later, me thinks he might have a slightly different perspective. I love Ruppert, but until you have experienced DMT, the only intelligent answer is to say I don't know.
Everytime I took LSD I felt like everything I touched was me. A pencil dropped on the floor one time and it felt like it dropped directly on my body. I use those experiences to grasp non-duality because without them I have no clue how I would have grasped these concepts so quickly.
Rupert is off the mark here, which is understandable considering as he said, he has never had a psychedelic experience. Similar to Eckhart Tolle speaking about his LSD experience(s) (which I think were rather low in dosage) he conceives of psychedelics being able to expand the range of experience but doesn’t realize that they CAN take you all the way. For those scientifically inclined, I have heard recently that at around 40% of 5-HT2A receptor occupancy, there is an experiential collapse of subject-object (see Madsen et al. 2019) A better authority on this topic would be someone like James Cooke, who had the nondual insight rather early in life and later verified that the psychedelic mystical experience is almost identical. See also, the paper out of Johns Hopkins by Griffiths et al. 2019 on “God encounter experiences”. Griffiths himself had a spiritual experience through meditation and has said many times that psychedelics can provide insight into the nature of mind. So it is both anecdotally and scientifically supported that psychedelics can occasion genuine insight. For me the most interesting question is what determines how much someone takes from that; considering obviously not every person who takes psychedelics comes back as Buddha. Some seem to experience stronger transformations than others.
an MIT neurobiologist has opined that, since we know of two dozen or more specific brain receptors, we should allow ingesting the known molecules that fit these receptors (LSD, psilocybin, ecstasy, etc.) and make the molecules, to be ingested, for the other receptors, else we will not know what the brain is capable of.
The point is, it still is an objective experience. It can help you on the path or point to it but it doesn't help realizing your self. Don't confuse the map with the actual thing; even when the map looks very, very convincing. Also; let's be honest and not forget that not everybody becomes spiritual after psychedelic experiences: some people wake up in mental hospitals.
I love how in the end Rupert sensed he needed and thus tried to validify this young man's experience after showering him with all the alternative and simple ways to get to the same truth the questioner experienced through psychedelics. I was so glad he did! I have had a similar experience many years ago on a mushroom trip where I looked out of the window of my third floor living room, looked down upon my neighbourhood and felt a sudden oneness with everyone, long before I ever became spiritually aware. I also did LSD once, which helped me see during that trip that all is made up of energy, long before I consciously accepted this as ultimate truth. It gave me a glimpse and primed me for this innerstanding. Such experiences definitely can open you up to be more open and perceptive when you are faced with these concepts at a later point in your journey. Psychedelic drugs can open up neural pathways that will unveil the mind and shed the conditioning, but as Rupert rightfully pointed out, in the end drugs alone won't get you to your true nature. If you think you need drugs to explore your true nature, you will get on a path to nowhere. You can use it as a tool and need to keep control over it, you should not ever get dependent upon it.
Psychedelics are legitimate tools for creating legitimate awakenings when used properly (in combination with self inquiry and meditation). I've also had many genuine awakenings to my own awareness on LSD. Spiritual teachers who have not done psychedelics are not qualified to talk about them. I love and respect Rupert as an amazing nondual teacher... but he's never tried psychedlics so he can't speak with authority on this topic. A psychedelic trip is NOT "just an experience." It is an actual shift in awareness/consciousness. When I do LSD, the content of my experience stays exactly the same. No colours, shapes, or anything like that. Just pure consciousness. Awareness of my own self-less nature. Don't just blindly listen to Rupert. Form your own conclusion about psychedelics by actually experimenting with them safely and responsibly. Edit: Combining Rupert's Self-Inquiry with something like LSD is an EXTREMELY POWERFUL method that can produce genuine awakenings much quicker than self-inquiring sober. Yes, you can get closer to your true nature by using LSD, Psilocybin or DMT. They are legitimate tools. Rupert is wrong.
@@ELAZA Yes. Rupert is trying to talk about something that he doesn't understand. Many spiritual teachers I've spoken to face to face have similar answers. But if they've never tried them... they're basically wrong.
Actually, I think Rupert acknowledged in the end how the experience of LSD works to clear thoughts and feelings and therefore bring one closer to all consciousness and out true self. So in essence, he validated the LSD experience. In my opinion, this was a very powerful bringing together of both an awake state of consciousness and one using LSD. His point remains that the LSD experience may only be temporary, where the exploration of this experience in regular every day consciousness would a more permanent form of experiential exploration.
feel sorry for this guy - he looks like a very sensitive and articulate individual and he asked a brave question which Rupert was out of his depth and comfort zone to know how to respond and the more he tries the more painful it is to watch. I love Rupert Spira but on this occasion I think the only most appropriate way to reply to this young man might have acknowledged the 'ignorance' which was his own admission to never having had that experience to know anything better to say about it.
Psychedelics are the quickest most effective way confront issues that you have been hiding from yourself and opening yourself up to new ideas. At the same time learning to be truly skeptical of ideas and idealogy
I tried many psychedelics in my younger days trying to find the answers to these questions only to be lead to Ruperts non-dual guidance. Taking psychedelics has a duration, then it's over. Through non-dual, when the mind is relaxed then with time it gets more accustomed to being where it always been, silent. No experience can ever give you that peace
Psychedelics brought me to profound insights , miraculous experiences but , I do have to say that you can have angelic like experiences or hellish ones . So be prepared for this . With that said I have felt a love that I never knew existed , I think it was a kundalini. I popped and just was showered with love coming out of my body . Then I had an experience of psychosis . So beware . I want to feel that love and understanding sober and I know it’s possible ! Love all of you !!
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson Do check out 'Internal Insight by Shubha Didi' as well. It's available on TH-cam and Instagram. I feel you might resonate with their content!
I think it is interesting to note how all legit non-dual spiritual teachers say the same thing about psychedelics. Helpful but won't lead to Truth itself. People may say Spira doesn't count cause he hasn't done psychedelics, but other Enlightened teachers who have done them in the past like Peter Ralston (who has done a lot), Adyashanti, even Ram Dass who has probably done more psychedelics than anyone, all say the same thing about it.
Same answer as Abraham Hicks, and also what I have always suspected, that it isn't the drugs them selves that give the experience, but the way they "shake" your ordinary focus, making you slide out of your chronic thought pattern and the light seeps trough the cracks. One have to be careful though, not to become convinced that this is the answer to all your problems. The next day comes, and you are human after all. The world you live in do not acknowledge or care if you saw heaven yesterday.
Indeed! Also, do check out 'Internal Insight by Shubha Didi' as well. It's available on TH-cam and Instagram. I feel you might resonate with their content!
4:43 I wonder why "experience tells us nothing about consciousness". I get that all (human) experience is limited, but isn't that also the channel via which glimpses of the infinite are perceived and delivered?
Getting bogged down in non-dual intellectualization here. All due respect to rupert, but there are multiple neuroscience studies showing the overlap of psychedelics with the effects of meditation - specifically in the default mode network. The dissolution of self (enlightenment) is synonymous with the dissolution of the default mode network. Psychedelics most certainly give you a glimpse of god/infinity, but to naturally dissolve the ego “for good”, only meditation will do (at this point in our scientific capabilities at least).
Don't take anything if you have any sort of mental disorder. I suffered anxiety all my life and study advaita vedanta to try and help. I took shrooms and the trip was amazing but ever since I have suffered the worst anxiety and depression ever, to the point I want to end my life. Rupert helps with his talks but its a constant battle now for me to keep my head above water. Not sure where my life is going to end up but please be careful.
Hey there my old friend. I have grappled with this same experience for some time, suicidal both before and after psychedelics. In those times, it helps me to breathe first then ask what it is that I'm truly fighting. Is it the suicide or the thoughts that are pushing me towards them? Also, I have discovered that the more I think "having taken psychedelics has made me more suicidal" the more suicidal I actually become. Without being too condescending, perhaps the anxiety and the depression don't stem from the psychedelic experience but from the thought that the psychedelic experience is giving you anxiety/depression. As most things, it could be all in your head :) I love you and support you in whatever you do.
I'm glad someone said this. There seems to be a misconception that psychedelics are harmless or safe. They absolutely are dangerous for anyone with any preexisting mental health issues, and that could include something latent which you may not even be aware of. Do your research before you make the decision to ingest these powerful substances and be willing to accept that just one experience could change you forever (for better or worse.) I hope you find your way out of the anxiety/depression. The best medicine to regain some normalcy after a deep psychedelic experience is to ground yourself in everyday life, eat healthy, exercise, lean on any kind of support system you may have. I've been there and come out the other side so I know it's possible. Best wishes.
Thank you both for your replies. You hear so many people say how helpful psychedelics are but obviously through experience and as you point out its not always the case. Thanks again friends👍👍
@@chiselcheswick5673 Hello friend, it all depends what you call good or bad or perhaps dangerous. To me, your condition is most beautiful thing that ever happened to me, I have been there and I have mistaken it for like you all say for danger or bad, but it turned out to be most beautiful thing and it is calling of your true self. The greatest suffering is the biggest blessing! It simply means that you're fed up with this phenomenon called life, especially when it's good by society standards
I was healed of an apparently impossible to treat mental illness after a 400mg dose of LSD. But I would be careful and be in a relatively good state before taking them. I’ve had bad trips and months of pain after that as well. Learning to meditate, practising self-abidance during the trip and meditating after the trip can do wonders. Best of luck:)
My response isn’t to address the person answering the question but to the young man who posed the question. I myself have experienced 11 ayahuasca ceremonies and that being said, do not fall for his flimsy answer to your question. First of all, to drink ayahuasca or ibogaine requires a tremendous amount of bravery because you’re forced to confront your greatest fears. It’s only natural for the person answering the question to answer in the most obfuscating way. On the surface he presents himself as a man with the answer to it all but in reality he’s a scared little boy who’s spent his life afraid to confront his shadow self. People who have the balls to experiment in these strong medicines aren’t crazy but in fact the trailblazers that will set a new path for humanity. A new way to approach life and live together in a more cohesive way. Good for you young man and keep going on your journey.
[8:37] Silence. I came to this understanding the other day. 🤔 Because what we are is simply conscious awareness (the blank movie screen as Rupert sometimes puts it) having a human experience (the movie projected on the screen): silence (stillness) is a close representation of this awareness (or the universal I Am). Stillness/silence is a great teacher. 🧘🏻♂️ Becoming truly still and at peace can show one how unlimited they really are. 🌎
We can not easily rule out the so mystical relationship between us and these creatures that has existed for so long. The very fact they can trigger such profound experiences to a couscious being upon mere ingestion is not an easily dismissible fact! The psychedelic experience is truly shocking and deeply humbling, ecstatic, inspirational, edifying and life-transforming. To the ones who intend to have the experience, are able to manage the set and setting and have the courage to endure the trip, psychedelics can trigger profound and lasting spiritual epiphanies.
Psychedelic literally means "mind manifesting" so that's what they tend to do is stimulate the mind in all sorts of bizarre ways. The strange thing about them is that they can stimulate the mind to such an extent that it causes a collapse of the ego which brings a finite experience of thoughtless awareness. It was psychedelic induced experiences of ego death which showed me that it is possible to exist without the constant stream of thoughts and feelings, so they are useful to at least give a taste of pure awareness.
@@pseolux youre the guy?! Coool. Its a shame he never took it. Would have been quiet interested in knowing how he explains the effect, and why it has this potential for self realization. I know he kind of did that anyway. But i want to know exactly why lsd and other psychs have this unique effect, opposed to all the other drugs.
You can have this experience of unity and oneness both ways: dry or with the help of substances. you don’t need drugs to be shown that but it can be a quick way. it also can make you dependent on substances although you don’t need them. Once you experienced it, you always can go back to this experience.
Given all the wisdom shared by Rupert my feeling here is that he has missed a few layers of consideration. One being, the individual taking psychedelics has both a self and a True Self. Given that most humans are tightly bound to the self, when one goes deeply into a psychedelic experience it is likely the first time they experience the illusory or complete disappearance of the self. This window does help one with their journey to True Self in the sense that they have touched the space promised by deep meditative states. With no direct experience one should respond carefully to such a broad and complex topic. This path has opened doors for many and should not be treated with anything but respect. One love. 🙏
I'm perplexed by your response to Rupert's dialogue with this young man. You could not have watched/listened to this from the very beginning to the end and come to the conclusion that Rupert wasn't anything but open, respectful, thoughtful and in alignment with every question that came his way. In the end, although he said he didn't feel the need to take them himself, he did not at all discourage him from further exploration with psychedelics and acknowledged that these drugs do indeed have the ability to open doors to consciousness itself.
The way Rubert eloquently discusses Psychedelics tells me that he has tried them :). Especially with aspects like mind broadening it's scope - can't know that just with Pot :). But then again he is a public figure and a teacher. So I'm not surprised that he denies the use and also and don't think he is wrong in denying the usage , especially in this age and time when people can get offended over anything .
brilliantly put Rupert! you've shown us again and again why the simplest understanding of the self needs to be kept simple and direct. There are no shortcuts plain and simple.
There are moments (infinite moments, if that's not a contradiction) wherein an understanding, awareness occurs, and those clouds may thin or separate, and the sun, in all its intensity, is perceived. Although, it [the sun] has always been present. Thank you for facilitating this Rupert
Shakespear's Sonnet 116 as I will always remember it from the lovely movie Sense and Sensibility. My gratitude to our Mr. Spira for reciting it and shining light on this so misperceived topic of psychedelics and finding ones true self. Also thanks to the young man asking this question and hereby bringing forth clarity 🙏💚☄
10:55 Probably quora thought I was promoting psychedelics, but meant to say you don't need that stuff. If you watch the video. That's why the link of this movie has been removed from quora, i think
I love Rupert and have watched countless videos of him, but I don't think he's quite correct with this one. Anyone who has experienced a 5-MeO-DMT trip knows that you can actually experience infinity. After all, we are infinite awareness, and considering that high doses of psychedelics unveil the ego, it's perfectly reasonable to conclude that what's left is the experience of infinite awareness.
What an amazing video. In the end, it makes a strong case for using psychedelics.. I always like to look at spritual teacher's answers to questions about psychedelic drugs, and, if they haven't ever used them it's usually a really interesting litmus test for the ego of the guru. I love that Rupert Spira posted this conversation. The challenge with being one of these people is that you are surrounded by people who are looking to you to give them their experience, and so it serves to inflate the ego, somehow suggest that they know some truth. What inevitably happens is they start talking about certain things as truths. It would be hard to avoid the beginnings of a belief that you somehow know more than other people, and this starts to lead them to speak about certain ideas as facts or truths that can only be confined to experience. It's interesting that Rupert Spira didn't preface by saying he didn't really know, because he hadn't taken the substances. Because in the end, when he comes around that these substances can thin the clouds that veil the understanding of the full light of consciousness, he still probably shouldn't really say that they can or can't, because he hasn't tried them. He's only taking the questioner's experience as evidence. He probably should have asked the questioner if he thinks that is what happened. I can speak from experience that the use of some of these substances can definitely lift the veil. While the experience does fade, you have a reference point, and the veil will be a little thinner afterwards.
He's probably not just using the questioner's experience as evidence....the effects of psychedelics are pretty well documented at this point, plus he's friends with Bernardo Kastrup who has taken psychedelics. Bernardo is also "awake" so to speak.
Psychedelic experience can lead to insight or to an increase in spiritual materialism or thrill seeking, where one seeks experiences rather than the absolute. Also, I have known people who have had psychotic breaks and the onset of schizophrenia with psychedelics. I agree with Rupert that it can be dangerous.
excellent video! 16.40: "what facilitate the thinning out ,of the cloud cover of thoughts and feelings and as a result this ever present being is felt as Universal,felt that there is only one being in existence.."i have this experience by spending months in Tiruvannamalai,and visiting Ramanashram every day.ॐ ॐ ❤
wow, i have a lot to say about this! first, i believe i would have never awakened without psychedelics. in fact, i experienced “lucidity” for the first during an experience on 5 grams (a lot) of psychedelic mushrooms - it was the single most significant event in my entire life, hands down. i wept. for the first time in my life, i was here and now. it truly like coming out of a terrible dream into wonderous, radiant reality. i am only 24, so maybe i simply haven’t experienced enough experience, but i had never imagined breaking free from my devoutly atheistic, purely materialist, deeply miserable conditioning without psychedelics. my awakening is basically my second birthday. however! this intense and fully realized revelation about reality came after *extensive* and regular psychedelic exploration on a multitude of different substances, at varying amounts. i also grew fascinated with psychedelics and the nature of reality, simultaneously. i tripped frequently, experimented with doses, and i paid extremely close attention. during and after a psychedelic trip, i put my overthinking mind to good use to analyze what was happening during these experiences. why do psychedelics help me feel spectacular “oneness” with the world? why am i able to witness beauty in the mundane, and why does it seem i can’t access that sober? what was that endless black void of pure peace + love that i witnessed during a high dose meditative psychedelic trip? this line of questioning led me to stop, look around, and witness what was *actually happening right now* with greater frequency. i discerned that psychedelics appeared to make me more… aware? i would take them, and my mind would quiet, and experience seemed to come to and flow through me without my naturally antagonistic energy interfering. wonderful synchronicities and circumstances appeared, which were seemingly unimaginable to my sober mind. i was more considerate, more patient, and more thoughtful with my words - therefore, more charming and likeable. whenever i tripped, i remember thinking “i want to feel like this always.” i continued this path of inquiry into these experiences until the evening of my awakening, where i finally got my answer. when i was on psychedelics, no matter the quality of my experience, i was always here and now. in fact, the trip i was experiencing until the *exact moment of my awakening* was a nightmare, genuinely terrifying, and i was still led to this ultimate truth - after a sudden realization in the midst of suffering that i was here, it is now, and literally nothing bad is really happening. like that: a light switch flicked and my life changed forever! the quality of the experience never mattered; being here and now is the key. being here and now was the peace that psychedelics brought me! and that’s accessible to me … always! this revelation felt like a reward for my endurance and i suppose, in a way, it was. :) it’s also important to consider how these drugs are taken. pretty much every time i tripped, i laid in a dark and silent room with an eye mask on for 6+ hours fully immersed in the experience. i was meditating without even really realizing. it’s fun to walk around and see all the swirls sometimes, but i believe these substances exist to bring us to this ultimate understanding. this is sacred medicine that opens one up to profound self-exploration and reflection, and it can torment you - bring you to the deepest depths of suffering - if you don’t know what’s going on. i continue to use them as tools to develop my understanding. i think certain people just happen to take this unique (and kinda cool 🤙) path to the ultimate destination. psychedelics are like miracle gro for self-exploration; they give perspective, a lot to reflect on, and they might completely wake you up if you have the right foundation. but the labor of growing your garden still rests on you! the curiosity in consciousness and the nature of reality should blossom naturally! this is never a chore! go meditate!
I love this! A lot of meditation is needed, but psychedelics might show you where you will end up. That could raise motivation and patience upon this journey. In my opinion 5-meo-DMT is the most direct way to being infinity (for a couple minutes). It just shatters your ego and you just let go... then become infinity & nothingness.
Basically, some forms melt the mind's attachment to itself faster than others. Psychedelics, Love, Hugging, Tasty food, Certain Music etc. All do that. But that which remains, once the mind comes back to its original regular experiencing...was never along for the ride
The question is, is it possible to remember this experience of knowing that there is only one universal being thus making it easier to access once you’ve come down from the drugs?
All experience is the one creator expressing itself. Whatever "path" you seem to be in resonance with is whats real. You can't experience a reality that isnt this reality. Waking up from the dream doesnt mean that the dream disappears it means the belief that you were asleep disappears. There is no dreamer or dream. Its you. And only you. I Am the experiencing of who I Am.
It's not about taking psychedelics so much as about taking them with a good guide who had a good guide who also had a good guide. They'll show you a transformative experience and then temper it with applications for your life from then on. We're talkin about the knowledge that Rupert speaks from himself and you're going how do they know know all that stuff. And you know it's all true, and you do apply it maybe for the rest of your life
I feel like the spiritual community could benefit so much if established teachers like Rupert were able to discuss these things with a psychedelic experience of their own to base what they’re talking about off of. Psychedelics are an incredibly potent tool, but it’s hard to find teachers who are able to incorporate it into their teaching; mostly it is just people who take psychedelics, stumble upon an experience of awakening, then become spiritual. I would love to explore the perspective of people who practiced spiritually for a long time, awakened, and then took psychedelic drugs.
Eckhart Tolle took acid so he could see what everyone was talking about. Google it. He talks about it in an interview with Oprah and compares it to normal conscious presence.
Psychedelics absolutely will take you closer to yourSELF. Especially if one is also practicing self enquiry. Rupert has never experienced them and he shouldn't judge them.
I had consumed recently this year magic mushrooms 10 times and 5 meo dmt once. With shrooms I experienced one trip of 3 hours like nightmare hellish thoughts. Some hard to explain fear and despair. With 5 meo dmt I got a panic attack i thought I was going die even i was prepared for strong feelings. Maybe I will try again because after all trips i felt some kind relief, some changes in strong believes and more acceptance.
Rames S. Balsekar commented: once you looked through the window it is good. Further experiences are not necessary...I think he had also no psychedelic experiences, but who knows...
In regard to Rupert's perception of the sunlight being constant, it depends on where you are if I'm on the other side of the universe and have no view of it, does it really exist to me? The further away from the sunlight you are the more SOMETHING turns into NOTHING.
As huge a fan i am of Rupert Spira, i don't think he can really speak about the psychedelic experience if he has never had one. As an experienced psychonaut myself, i do however have to say that psychedelic experiences are always temporary (obviously). But at the same time they are also more than just experiences (while they are lasting). They can really show you the unity of everything, the Christ consciousness so to speak. They can really bring you out of your ego mind. I know he is not interested, but wouldn't it be cool if Rupert took a psychedelic trip? That way he would actually know what it is and would give better answers regarding this. I still think he is right in his answer, but then it would be based on actual experience. Bach and Beethoven are amazing, but what about Bach and Beethoven on LSD, Rupert?
@@mirrorme_portal Yes i did. That's a little at least. ;) Still, it would be really cool if he (like Eckhart Tolle) would have a psychedelic experience! That would make his opinion about it so much stronger and it would be really interesting to see him talk about it. Of course, no one can force him to.
It seems psychedelic experiences tap into that universal consciousness but the apparatus, the body's chemistry is changed outside of normal parameters and the spectrum of perception is greatly changed. There is one IT, but the limited mind and body's limits are changed.
It would be *very* interesting to read Rupert Spira's trip report if he did mushrooms or LSD. And it would be very interesting to just observe a conversation between Rupert Spira and Terence McKenna, if that was possible.
I know how 'the dude' feels. I experience love but yes, it is obscured constantly by feelings of resistance and sadness. Its troubling. I have had some really beautiful experiences on mushrooms and don't know if I would have had the shifts in consciousness without them 🤔
In the end, it was agreed that drugs can thin out this veil that blocks pure love --- however, if you have bad experiences in your frequent 'trips' or 'stone' or clouding then it could add more of a veil. Using drugs is a short-cut (quicker) in a way. Nonuse and a natural way may be slower but it is safer. And with drugs, there is the (temptation) to get addicted to them VS the natural process. Once hooked there is the possibility of misuse of drugs. Knowing oneself (naturally) can (most effectively) get us there without risk because one "bad" experience with the shortcuts, could really set one back to a difficult state. Usually, not always, this (wisdom) is something that has to be (learned) experienced to be fully convinced. one
Yes. Thank you. Even marijuana (considered to be harmless and organic) MAGNIFIES the trip, which can intensify a bad trip. It could/may lead to a psychotic experience. Again, if one's connected to God (as being THE structure or laws of this reality) (universe) then IT is the safe, natural way. Nature, as we observe, is a very slow but SURE process... And I'm sure there is a reason for that. Human beings can fall (even a mountain goat can slip) If one had an observer (skilled) TO watch over and caution then I think nit could be of help. But how many pot (lovers) smokers will adhere to that?
Rupert's answer lack's empathy and experience of consciousness. I would like to know, if anyone can tell me, what level of Enlightenment has Rupert experienced. Self realisation is my guess? I am certain he hasn’t been through the death experience what is referred to as the Ultimate Enlightenment “mahaparinirvana”. To add, if a 'meditator' uses drugs they will help to experience connectivity / oneness through LSD, weed in fact any stimulate will change your body chemistry. A meditator's energy is already heightened so anything can shift your energy levels towards the crown chakra. These non-dual modern teachers lack the courageous to open the topic of drugs and expand on the subject in more detail. Yes, all experiences are phenomena, and (only Awareness is all there is), but the chemical shift that drugs provide weakens the mind's potency, so that consciousness can be known more clearly, this can provide essential glimpses for people who would otherwise spend years in meditation. Experimenting with drugs can help one's meditation, but the process can be a intense strategy, but it can give you direction to point towards. Having said all this, I would only encourage meditation as the process towards Enlightenment, drugs provide you no navigation of how you got there, so you can never return when you want. Meditation is a self-navigated path, so you can always return, better still, stay there! You will never be a Master for using drugs.
"I think of going to the Grave without having a Psychedelic Experience is like going to the Grave without ever having Sex. It means that you never Figured out what it is all about. The Mystery is in the Body and the way the Body Works itself into Nature." ~Terence McKenna 🙏🏽❤️ Appreciate this open talk about this topic and absolutely repect both points of view. Really enjoyed listening to this conversation ❤️
Whatever you do for the experience your self as it is , that is the best things you are doing in this life ,and what amazing our true self is Whatever ways we choose for it , it is brings us to the same path or destination
I believe that the use of psychedelics can, for some people, taken within the context of sincere self-exploration, bring them "closer to their true self" because the psychedelic substance temporarily inhibits the capacity for self-delusion and lying to oneself. I know this from personal experience. I have been trying for years, decades, to turn self-love from an abstract concept into something truly felt. Thus far, I have only been able to achieve this state while under the influence of psilocybin. Its one thing to say it, its another to believe it. I cant claim to know from study what the mechanism is that converts wishful thinking into true belief, but in my case its only been psychedelics that have been able to turn that key.
If, in a slice of time, two bodymind entities happen to fully resonate with one another and the thoughts disappear temporarily, then call it be called Love or Oneness? Atleast for that time period? Or, must this condition last permanently atleast in one bodymind to be claimed so? The memory of the questioner's experience (although temorary) must have altered something within, right? How is it different to the state of experiencing non duality of this Universe in a flash and then descending from the climax? But never forgetting the shift afterwards?
The love is a learned sense, the most part of love is comeing from ego. Behind the love is a lots of thougs, that thougs is activating the love hormons on our body. So i dont think is that useualy love is comeing from our soul...the love for just one person is egoistic love. We can experience other kind of love if wee go behind a mind, but that love we will feel for everyone.
@James Howard people are mystified by “meditation” . Just be able to focus on things and put Attention to them .Determined One-Pointed awareness. If you apply that the the breath or mind or body its mistakenly categorized & called “Meditation” . There is Awareness and there is a subject who has awareness. what’s the identity of One who has Awareness. And in who’s Time/Space is the awareness happening.
@James Howard hey... ( ; The “subject” doesn’t possess the awareness, But is the cause behind the awareness. Specifically Atma Yoga ?? would be Consciousness of consciousness.. (*not even an “of” there) awareness Itself of itself. The awareness is the upright part of your world that is right in the center... The surrounding part is the Illusion. Learning to be aware of the movements of the mind, how those movements correspond to wants desires or lack of them in the world. What is the material our cords to the world are made of. It’s one thing to seek happiness from a starting point. It’s a whole mother can of worms if the individual has multitudes of desires expectations delusions..... It’s enough to deal with fears concerns insecurities unknowns about being human/ death . The world is like rocks rubbing up against itself and becoming smoother over time...?
@James Howard We humans are accustomed to the cause/effect relationship of activites and a wide range of associated "feelings".. "If i do this then I cancause this feeling" "If i meditate I can become better and different than I am now" " I need to get to another place that is different from where I am" " I can earn Peace & Happiness through my actions!" I can do it ! All by Myself!" "I can use meditation to take me to another place because where I am is unacceptable to myself" "My mind has the answers... It can figure it all out" Thats the minds take on meditation... Even when the mind is transcended / overcome at one point in time, The mind will later claim responsibility and Say " I did It All , Leave it to me, I Know it all" The mind will degrade and deny itself again and again as long as the mind itself gets to be the one who says: "mind is nothing. I transcend and overcome the mind. " ?????
@James Howard There is NOTHING more miraculous than that we exist here on some relative level. Existence and forms and time/space itself is the miracle. direct perception of the True Nature of the 5 elements etc. is beyond the mind. The "mind" is an adaptation of our biological organism for survival? It seems? *** ( One thing about the direct experience of REALITY...Is that people dont generally enjoy it ! .. 99%of the time people would prefer their "OLd reality" back . " I want my Reality back" the mind will say in the face of it? hahahha
@James Howard The price of Eternal peace happiness Bliss is exactly the SAME for everyone. Everything, Body ,Mind, Community, Cosmos...... Once you overcome transcend Let go of the perception of those things as seperate individual things. Free of any misconceptions of things where is thestart meditating.One would have to be in a prior state of "Not Meditating" ? Just Listen to the meditation that is happening already. Yoga is the confirmation of what is already there. Within.. but because of the Veiling powers of the cosmos doesnt seem like its there. Until realized for oneself people will look outward and to "Practices" ways" to achieve what they already have. the Universe is a pefect seemless paradox and nothing can really even be said of it. Its nature escapes allll words conceptions ideas
After years of meditation and countless psychedelic experiences I can say this: Psychedelics can give insights, even show the truth behind existence, but still, they are only peak experiences. They override certain paths in the brain and the identification with ego dissolves. The problem is, that this only lasts as long as the trip lasts. With mediation the ego dissolves much slower but it dissolves permanently. That being said, I would not be here, without psychedelics.
If you only know experience from being here through taking physchedlics how do you know you wouldn't be here without them?
Took shrooms and suffer anxiety ever since. Ruined my life.
Meditation is the Integration of the Psychedelic. You take psychedelic, it reminds you how to get yourself in your more natural/enlightened state(if you will) then you have to do the hard work to sustain and stabilize that state indefinitely, but if you go back to your old life and habits, then of course it won't stick.
@@chiselcheswick5673 you had no pre-existing anxieties before taking them? Best advice I can offer is to keep following your inituition down the spiritual path. Something brought you here, follow it through.
Ram Dass tells the story of his guru getting fed up with his ravings about psychedelics. "Give me your Jesus medicine" he finally said to Ram Dass one evening. So Ram Dass gave him a dose. Two hours later, the guru said "more." He obliged. An hour later the guru asked for more again. In fact, he wound up taking such a heroic dose that Ram Dass was convinced he had killed him. Or that the guru would be driven mad. Implacable, the guru asked Ram Dass to leave so he could meditate alone. Ram Dass paced anxiously for the rest of the night, on pins and needles. The next morning he was finally allowed back to see him. He was surprised to see his guru sitting normally and that he seemed exactly the same. The guru grinned at him and said "Jesus comes, but he doesn't stay."
So weird to be recommended a Rupert Spira video by TH-cam and you're the one asking the question
asking him a question about something he has no experience of
Thanks self!
You came across very well, with humility and groundedness, even when misunderstood. Glad Rupert understood you in the end, though ;). Enjoy the expanding exploration of the ever-shining light!
thank you the all and ONE!
@@MindThatEgo Thanks a lot
In my first LSD-experience I suddenly had the feeling of merging with my physical surroundings. It was incredible and very peaceful. It made me realize that I and the world are not separate but one. I never lost this insight. Psychedelics have great potential but are definitely not for everyone, imho.
I had the same profound experience until I was distracted by the odd hyena etc running through the park in Amsterdam and people with their heads on upside down
As a fellow psychedelic user (mushrooms, lsd, dmt), this is the most articulate expression of the true meaning and arrival of psychedelic use. Rupert never ceases to impress me in his ability to articulate the nature of consciousness and phenomenology, it's truly profound. love.
was that terence mckenna driving past in his orb at 15:38 :)
In his self dribbling basketball
Woah 😳
Maybe it was just a cameo.
Amazing! I didn't even notice it until I saw your comment and checked.
And for those of us for whom the hardness of the world calcifies the ego into a hard shell, psychedelics can return us to ourselves. It’s not for everyone, but it can be a helpful dissolution of the hardness we build to survive.
I like how they show the questioner in this video. Gives you better idea of where their question is coming from
Coming from "infinite consciousness" maybe
The winter coat in your photo is everything.....LOVE it
Yes I agree.. it gives us the opportunity to interpret the expressions on their/his face 👍
Im no entirely of the same opinion. Why focus on the questioner instead of the question? As the non-dual teaching and advaita vedanta teaches us and tirelessly suggest to us is that the _question_ "Who am I?" is more important than who I am as a relative form.
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I’ve been waiting for Rupert to talk about this topic & have also had many psychedelic experiences with 5-MEO DMT, Mushrooms and LSD. I have experienced oneness & infinite awareness a few times now, which put me on a path towards learning about non-duality. As Rupert said, the light is always shining, but the psychedelic experience can remove the veiling (thoughts, feelings, senses e.g) & the ego, which can help remove this veil, but the light is always shining, just often obscured. I guess all of our finite minds choose to experience this shining from our own preferences/methods, and we should all respect which ever path one chooses to experience this veiling. Thanks Rupert!
True, each one is free to do as they wish. Still, I cannot help but encourage everyone to not take psychedelics, and instead begin meditating.
Why? Because I know it’s better. As Rupert said in the end of this video, there needs to be an understanding that psychedelic trips will not bring us closer to ourselves.
Psychedelics - temporary glimpse
Meditation - permanent change
Nirvana can only be realized through meditation, not psychedelic drugs.
@@שגהש that’s your own personal experience, the best meditation which have been life changing for me were on psychedelics, I meditate every day also. But that’s my own personal experience. Understand that others will be different to your own experience, this is why different religious fundamentalists views don’t get along, (my opinion/belief is correct and yours is not). Try to just be open that other perspectives will be different to your own perspectives.
I would like to get Rupert's report after dmt.
I think he will change his mind
I agree, Love is like the sun ever shining that can only be covered by our thoughts and feelings, but dmt is sending a spacecraft on the sun's surface :-)
DMT can only produce a glint of the full light of awareness. You want permanent immersion to become a living reality, then don't take psychedelics and learn to meditate from a master with non-dual teachings.
@@kenjones7719 have you had both experiences?
I was thinking the same thing, two massive hits of 5-Meo, lets hear what he says 15 minutes later, me thinks he might have a slightly different perspective. I love Ruppert, but until you have experienced DMT, the only intelligent answer is to say I don't know.
It's like watching the year 2000 asking Rupert a question.
Lool
Same! Our guy looks like he came straight out of a Green Day song in their glory days :D
Just had to say you nailed it.
LMAO i am dead 💀
He's never taken psychedelics in his life, but describes the experience perfectly.
Weed is psychedelic
Everytime I took LSD I felt like everything I touched was me. A pencil dropped on the floor one time and it felt like it dropped directly on my body. I use those experiences to grasp non-duality because without them I have no clue how I would have grasped these concepts so quickly.
Hey, psychedelic guy, I feel you! I''ve also felt Love and Unity with the help of psychedelics. What a gift!
Rupert is off the mark here, which is understandable considering as he said, he has never had a psychedelic experience. Similar to Eckhart Tolle speaking about his LSD experience(s) (which I think were rather low in dosage) he conceives of psychedelics being able to expand the range of experience but doesn’t realize that they CAN take you all the way. For those scientifically inclined, I have heard recently that at around 40% of 5-HT2A receptor occupancy, there is an experiential collapse of subject-object (see Madsen et al. 2019)
A better authority on this topic would be someone like James Cooke, who had the nondual insight rather early in life and later verified that the psychedelic mystical experience is almost identical. See also, the paper out of Johns Hopkins by Griffiths et al. 2019 on “God encounter experiences”. Griffiths himself had a spiritual experience through meditation and has said many times that psychedelics can provide insight into the nature of mind.
So it is both anecdotally and scientifically supported that psychedelics can occasion genuine insight. For me the most interesting question is what determines how much someone takes from that; considering obviously not every person who takes psychedelics comes back as Buddha. Some seem to experience stronger transformations than others.
Experiential collapse of subject object...wow! 👍
Yeah agree on how much someone takes from the experience... Still depends with the person. There's still personal work required.
an MIT neurobiologist has opined that, since we know of two dozen or more specific brain receptors, we should allow ingesting the known molecules that fit these receptors (LSD, psilocybin, ecstasy, etc.) and make the molecules, to be ingested, for the other receptors, else we will not know what the brain is capable of.
The point is, it still is an objective experience.
It can help you on the path or point to it but it doesn't help realizing your self.
Don't confuse the map with the actual thing; even when the map looks very, very convincing.
Also; let's be honest and not forget that not everybody becomes spiritual after psychedelic experiences: some people wake up in mental hospitals.
I love how in the end Rupert sensed he needed and thus tried to validify this young man's experience after showering him with all the alternative and simple ways to get to the same truth the questioner experienced through psychedelics. I was so glad he did! I have had a similar experience many years ago on a mushroom trip where I looked out of the window of my third floor living room, looked down upon my neighbourhood and felt a sudden oneness with everyone, long before I ever became spiritually aware. I also did LSD once, which helped me see during that trip that all is made up of energy, long before I consciously accepted this as ultimate truth. It gave me a glimpse and primed me for this innerstanding. Such experiences definitely can open you up to be more open and perceptive when you are faced with these concepts at a later point in your journey. Psychedelic drugs can open up neural pathways that will unveil the mind and shed the conditioning, but as Rupert rightfully pointed out, in the end drugs alone won't get you to your true nature. If you think you need drugs to explore your true nature, you will get on a path to nowhere. You can use it as a tool and need to keep control over it, you should not ever get dependent upon it.
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Psychedelics are legitimate tools for creating legitimate awakenings when used properly (in combination with self inquiry and meditation). I've also had many genuine awakenings to my own awareness on LSD. Spiritual teachers who have not done psychedelics are not qualified to talk about them. I love and respect Rupert as an amazing nondual teacher... but he's never tried psychedlics so he can't speak with authority on this topic.
A psychedelic trip is NOT "just an experience." It is an actual shift in awareness/consciousness. When I do LSD, the content of my experience stays exactly the same. No colours, shapes, or anything like that. Just pure consciousness. Awareness of my own self-less nature.
Don't just blindly listen to Rupert. Form your own conclusion about psychedelics by actually experimenting with them safely and responsibly.
Edit: Combining Rupert's Self-Inquiry with something like LSD is an EXTREMELY POWERFUL method that can produce genuine awakenings much quicker than self-inquiring sober.
Yes, you can get closer to your true nature by using LSD, Psilocybin or DMT. They are legitimate tools. Rupert is wrong.
well he was asked... trie to be polite... Eckhart T was asked this.. he tried... and his answer it is quite similar..
He doesn't understand that the experience of psychedelics actually does take you closer to the true nature of consciousness.
@@ELAZA Yes. Rupert is trying to talk about something that he doesn't understand. Many spiritual teachers I've spoken to face to face have similar answers. But if they've never tried them... they're basically wrong.
@@angiehewerdine agreed
Actually, I think Rupert acknowledged in the end how the experience of LSD works to clear thoughts and feelings and therefore bring one closer to all consciousness and out true self. So in essence, he validated the LSD experience. In my opinion, this was a very powerful bringing together of both an awake state of consciousness and one using LSD. His point remains that the LSD experience may only be temporary, where the exploration of this experience in regular every day consciousness would a more permanent form of experiential exploration.
feel sorry for this guy - he looks like a very sensitive and articulate individual and he asked a brave question which Rupert was out of his depth and comfort zone to know how to respond and the more he tries the more painful it is to watch. I love Rupert Spira but on this occasion I think the only most appropriate way to reply to this young man might have acknowledged the 'ignorance' which was his own admission to never having had that experience to know anything better to say about it.
I agree:)
Thank you Rupert for saying that last part about thinning out. Really made it all the better
Psychedelics are the quickest most effective way confront issues that you have been hiding from yourself and opening yourself up to new ideas. At the same time learning to be truly skeptical of ideas and idealogy
so beautiful! how he was angry and sad at first because he didn't get what he wanted and then at the end his smile on his face.
I tried many psychedelics in my younger days trying to find the answers to these questions only to be lead to Ruperts non-dual guidance. Taking psychedelics has a duration, then it's over. Through non-dual, when the mind is relaxed then with time it gets more accustomed to being where it always been, silent. No experience can ever give you that peace
"Desire discriminates whereas Love does not." Nisargadatta
that is beautiful indeed
Nice but fake quote.
Psychedelics brought me to profound insights , miraculous experiences but , I do have to say that you can have angelic like experiences or hellish ones . So be prepared for this . With that said I have felt a love that I never knew existed , I think it was a kundalini. I popped and just was showered with love coming out of my body . Then I had an experience of psychosis . So beware . I want to feel that love and understanding sober and I know it’s possible ! Love all of you !!
i have been in paradise and hell and without psychedelics
@@alondraacosta-mora6504 how?
❤️❤️❤️Take care my fellow expressions of consciousness ❤️❤️❤️
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson Do check out 'Internal Insight by Shubha Didi' as well. It's available on TH-cam and Instagram. I feel you might resonate with their content!
I think it is interesting to note how all legit non-dual spiritual teachers say the same thing about psychedelics. Helpful but won't lead to Truth itself. People may say Spira doesn't count cause he hasn't done psychedelics, but other Enlightened teachers who have done them in the past like Peter Ralston (who has done a lot), Adyashanti, even Ram Dass who has probably done more psychedelics than anyone, all say the same thing about it.
Same answer as Abraham Hicks, and also what I have always suspected, that it isn't the drugs them selves that give the experience, but the way they "shake" your ordinary focus, making you slide out of your chronic thought pattern and the light seeps trough the cracks. One have to be careful though, not to become convinced that this is the answer to all your problems. The next day comes, and you are human after all. The world you live in do not acknowledge or care if you saw heaven yesterday.
Beloved Rupert ❤️
Beautifully explained🙏🔥
Indeed! Also, do check out 'Internal Insight by Shubha Didi' as well. It's available on TH-cam and Instagram. I feel you might resonate with their content!
Love how a bubble just randomly floats past the guy 😅❤️
4:43 I wonder why "experience tells us nothing about consciousness". I get that all (human) experience is limited, but isn't that also the channel via which glimpses of the infinite are perceived and delivered?
Getting bogged down in non-dual intellectualization here. All due respect to rupert, but there are multiple neuroscience studies showing the overlap of psychedelics with the effects of meditation - specifically in the default mode network.
The dissolution of self (enlightenment) is synonymous with the dissolution of the default mode network. Psychedelics most certainly give you a glimpse of god/infinity, but to naturally dissolve the ego “for good”, only meditation will do (at this point in our scientific capabilities at least).
Does consciousness exist within science? Or does science exist within consciousness?
@@UwU_not_Now Control is an illusion. "You" never have control on anything, and for sure not on how your meditation goes
You are bogged down in scientific concepts, which ultimately are inferences
@@chillwp179 everything is a concept, if you want to get technical about it
@@TheJooberjones exactly
A beautiful stoic teaching. A beautiful teacher I wouldn't have found if it weren't for TH-cam. Thanks for sharing.
Don't take anything if you have any sort of mental disorder. I suffered anxiety all my life and study advaita vedanta to try and help. I took shrooms and the trip was amazing but ever since I have suffered the worst anxiety and depression ever, to the point I want to end my life. Rupert helps with his talks but its a constant battle now for me to keep my head above water. Not sure where my life is going to end up but please be careful.
Hey there my old friend. I have grappled with this same experience for some time, suicidal both before and after psychedelics. In those times, it helps me to breathe first then ask what it is that I'm truly fighting. Is it the suicide or the thoughts that are pushing me towards them? Also, I have discovered that the more I think "having taken psychedelics has made me more suicidal" the more suicidal I actually become. Without being too condescending, perhaps the anxiety and the depression don't stem from the psychedelic experience but from the thought that the psychedelic experience is giving you anxiety/depression. As most things, it could be all in your head :)
I love you and support you in whatever you do.
I'm glad someone said this. There seems to be a misconception that psychedelics are harmless or safe. They absolutely are dangerous for anyone with any preexisting mental health issues, and that could include something latent which you may not even be aware of. Do your research before you make the decision to ingest these powerful substances and be willing to accept that just one experience could change you forever (for better or worse.)
I hope you find your way out of the anxiety/depression. The best medicine to regain some normalcy after a deep psychedelic experience is to ground yourself in everyday life, eat healthy, exercise, lean on any kind of support system you may have. I've been there and come out the other side so I know it's possible. Best wishes.
Thank you both for your replies. You hear so many people say how helpful psychedelics are but obviously through experience and as you point out its not always the case. Thanks again friends👍👍
@@chiselcheswick5673 Hello friend, it all depends what you call good or bad or perhaps dangerous. To me, your condition is most beautiful thing that ever happened to me, I have been there and I have mistaken it for like you all say for danger or bad, but it turned out to be most beautiful thing and it is calling of your true self. The greatest suffering is the biggest blessing! It simply means that you're fed up with this phenomenon called life, especially when it's good by society standards
I was healed of an apparently impossible to treat mental illness after a 400mg dose of LSD.
But I would be careful and be in a relatively good state before taking them. I’ve had bad trips and months of pain after that as well.
Learning to meditate, practising self-abidance during the trip and meditating after the trip can do wonders.
Best of luck:)
I've got to say, Rupert's cloud-cover analogy for thought / mind-muddle / blocked awareness is very effective here
could still be more peaceful though. People don't learn when they feel like they're being chastised
My response isn’t to address the person answering the question but to the young man who posed the question. I myself have experienced 11 ayahuasca ceremonies and that being said, do not fall for his flimsy answer to your question. First of all, to drink ayahuasca or ibogaine requires a tremendous amount of bravery because you’re forced to confront your greatest fears. It’s only natural for the person answering the question to answer in the most obfuscating way. On the surface he presents himself as a man with the answer to it all but in reality he’s a scared little boy who’s spent his life afraid to confront his shadow self. People who have the balls to experiment in these strong medicines aren’t crazy but in fact the trailblazers that will set a new path for humanity. A new way to approach life and live together in a more cohesive way. Good for you young man and keep going on your journey.
[8:37] Silence.
I came to this understanding the other day. 🤔
Because what we are is simply conscious awareness (the blank movie screen as Rupert sometimes puts it) having a human experience (the movie projected on the screen): silence (stillness) is a close representation of this awareness (or the universal I Am). Stillness/silence is a great teacher. 🧘🏻♂️ Becoming truly still and at peace can show one how unlimited they really are. 🌎
this is awesome... that guy brought out the a good conversation between the two
We can not easily rule out the so mystical relationship between us and these creatures that has existed for so long. The very fact they can trigger such profound experiences to a couscious being upon mere ingestion is not an easily dismissible fact!
The psychedelic experience is truly shocking and deeply humbling, ecstatic, inspirational, edifying and life-transforming.
To the ones who intend to have the experience, are able to manage the set and setting and have the courage to endure the trip, psychedelics can trigger profound and lasting spiritual epiphanies.
Psychedelic literally means "mind manifesting" so that's what they tend to do is stimulate the mind in all sorts of bizarre ways. The strange thing about them is that they can stimulate the mind to such an extent that it causes a collapse of the ego which brings a finite experience of thoughtless awareness. It was psychedelic induced experiences of ego death which showed me that it is possible to exist without the constant stream of thoughts and feelings, so they are useful to at least give a taste of pure awareness.
Psychedelics have been in fact proven to reduce mind activity very significantly.
Nice. That was always like the number 1 question i wanted to ask rupert if i were to go to his retreats.
No problem ;)
@@pseolux youre the guy?! Coool. Its a shame he never took it. Would have been quiet interested in knowing how he explains the effect, and why it has this potential for self realization. I know he kind of did that anyway. But i want to know exactly why lsd and other psychs have this unique effect, opposed to all the other drugs.
You can have this experience of unity and oneness both ways: dry or with the help of substances. you don’t need drugs to be shown that but it can be a quick way. it also can make you dependent on substances although you don’t need them. Once you experienced it, you always can go back to this experience.
It feels odd discovering my own youtube comment recommending myself and then watching the video I uploaded where I answer my own question.
5-MeO would blow Rupert’s mind.
Given all the wisdom shared by Rupert my feeling here is that he has missed a few layers of consideration. One being, the individual taking psychedelics has both a self and a True Self. Given that most humans are tightly bound to the self, when one goes deeply into a psychedelic experience it is likely the first time they experience the illusory or complete disappearance of the self. This window does help one with their journey to True Self in the sense that they have touched the space promised by deep meditative states. With no direct experience one should respond carefully to such a broad and complex topic. This path has opened doors for many and should not be treated with anything but respect. One love. 🙏
I'm perplexed by your response to Rupert's dialogue with this young man. You could not have watched/listened to this from the very beginning to the end and come to the conclusion that Rupert wasn't anything but open, respectful, thoughtful and in alignment with every question that came his way. In the end, although he said he didn't feel the need to take them himself, he did not at all discourage him from further exploration with psychedelics and acknowledged that these drugs do indeed have the ability to open doors to consciousness itself.
@@paulfisher1296 He did acknowledge the loss of ego during an experience, so yes he was open
The way Rubert eloquently discusses Psychedelics tells me that he has tried them :). Especially with aspects like mind broadening it's scope - can't know that just with Pot :). But then again he is a public figure and a teacher. So I'm not surprised that he denies the use and also and don't think he is wrong in denying the usage , especially in this age and time when people can get offended over anything .
There is no way ‘around’ the ego we all have to go ‘through’ it. It can be a very painful and messy process, an undoing of all that is not truth 🙏❤️
brilliantly put Rupert! you've shown us again and again why the simplest understanding of the self needs to be kept simple and direct. There are no shortcuts plain and simple.
Beautiful video really enjoyed this ✨ you can sense the questioners ego strongly at times particularly at the end so keen to prove he's got it.
There are moments (infinite moments, if that's not a contradiction) wherein an understanding, awareness occurs, and those clouds may thin or separate, and the sun, in all its intensity, is perceived. Although, it [the sun] has always been present.
Thank you for facilitating this Rupert
Shakespear's Sonnet 116 as I will always remember it from the lovely movie Sense and Sensibility. My gratitude to our Mr. Spira for reciting it and shining light on this so misperceived topic of psychedelics and finding ones true self. Also thanks to the young man asking this question and hereby bringing forth clarity 🙏💚☄
Psychedelics are a beautiful tool the same as meditation!
why not try some shrooms at least once, put on that Bach, I am sure you wont refer to it as something indirect then, certainly not with your mind.
5meo dmt shook my foundation. Ultimately led me to Rupert’s teachings.
I can recommend you to check out Leo Gura at Actualized.org. His channel on TH-cam have the same name as his website.
Me too :)
Me three!!
5 meo dmt thins the clouds between you and the ever-shining sun so much, that you become the sun.
Shook my nervous system, gave me small fiber neuropathy, Ultimately led me to Rupert’s teachings.
10:55 Probably quora thought I was promoting psychedelics, but meant to say you don't need that stuff. If you watch the video. That's why the link of this movie has been removed from quora, i think
I love Rupert and have watched countless videos of him, but I don't think he's quite correct with this one. Anyone who has experienced a 5-MeO-DMT trip knows that you can actually experience infinity. After all, we are infinite awareness, and considering that high doses of psychedelics unveil the ego, it's perfectly reasonable to conclude that what's left is the experience of infinite awareness.
Thank you!
What an amazing video. In the end, it makes a strong case for using psychedelics.. I always like to look at spritual teacher's answers to questions about psychedelic drugs, and, if they haven't ever used them it's usually a really interesting litmus test for the ego of the guru. I love that Rupert Spira posted this conversation.
The challenge with being one of these people is that you are surrounded by people who are looking to you to give them their experience, and so it serves to inflate the ego, somehow suggest that they know some truth. What inevitably happens is they start talking about certain things as truths. It would be hard to avoid the beginnings of a belief that you somehow know more than other people, and this starts to lead them to speak about certain ideas as facts or truths that can only be confined to experience.
It's interesting that Rupert Spira didn't preface by saying he didn't really know, because he hadn't taken the substances. Because in the end, when he comes around that these substances can thin the clouds that veil the understanding of the full light of consciousness, he still probably shouldn't really say that they can or can't, because he hasn't tried them. He's only taking the questioner's experience as evidence. He probably should have asked the questioner if he thinks that is what happened.
I can speak from experience that the use of some of these substances can definitely lift the veil. While the experience does fade, you have a reference point, and the veil will be a little thinner afterwards.
He's probably not just using the questioner's experience as evidence....the effects of psychedelics are pretty well documented at this point, plus he's friends with Bernardo Kastrup who has taken psychedelics. Bernardo is also "awake" so to speak.
Namaste,
In the patanjali yoga sutras it is said that some psychedelic/herbs can take on to samadhi 🙏🙏🙏
Psychedelic experience can lead to insight or to an increase in spiritual materialism or thrill seeking, where one seeks experiences rather than the absolute. Also, I have known people who have had psychotic breaks and the onset of schizophrenia with psychedelics. I agree with Rupert that it can be dangerous.
I like danger.
excellent video!
16.40:
"what facilitate the thinning out ,of the cloud cover of thoughts and feelings and as a result this ever present being is felt as Universal,felt that there is only one being in existence.."i have this experience by spending months in Tiruvannamalai,and visiting Ramanashram every day.ॐ ॐ ❤
I wish i was like rupert and could enjoy the normal experience enough
The questioner seems disappointed because he thinks he’s had an enlightenment experience and Rupert is telling him, no.
wow, i have a lot to say about this! first, i believe i would have never awakened without psychedelics. in fact, i experienced “lucidity” for the first during an experience on 5 grams (a lot) of psychedelic mushrooms - it was the single most significant event in my entire life, hands down. i wept. for the first time in my life, i was here and now. it truly like coming out of a terrible dream into wonderous, radiant reality. i am only 24, so maybe i simply haven’t experienced enough experience, but i had never imagined breaking free from my devoutly atheistic, purely materialist, deeply miserable conditioning without psychedelics. my awakening is basically my second birthday.
however! this intense and fully realized revelation about reality came after *extensive* and regular psychedelic exploration on a multitude of different substances, at varying amounts. i also grew fascinated with psychedelics and the nature of reality, simultaneously. i tripped frequently, experimented with doses, and i paid extremely close attention. during and after a psychedelic trip, i put my overthinking mind to good use to analyze what was happening during these experiences. why do psychedelics help me feel spectacular “oneness” with the world? why am i able to witness beauty in the mundane, and why does it seem i can’t access that sober? what was that endless black void of pure peace + love that i witnessed during a high dose meditative psychedelic trip? this line of questioning led me to stop, look around, and witness what was *actually happening right now* with greater frequency. i discerned that psychedelics appeared to make me more… aware? i would take them, and my mind would quiet, and experience seemed to come to and flow through me without my naturally antagonistic energy interfering. wonderful synchronicities and circumstances appeared, which were seemingly unimaginable to my sober mind. i was more considerate, more patient, and more thoughtful with my words - therefore, more charming and likeable. whenever i tripped, i remember thinking “i want to feel like this always.” i continued this path of inquiry into these experiences until the evening of my awakening, where i finally got my answer. when i was on psychedelics, no matter the quality of my experience, i was always here and now. in fact, the trip i was experiencing until the *exact moment of my awakening* was a nightmare, genuinely terrifying, and i was still led to this ultimate truth - after a sudden realization in the midst of suffering that i was here, it is now, and literally nothing bad is really happening. like that: a light switch flicked and my life changed forever! the quality of the experience never mattered; being here and now is the key. being here and now was the peace that psychedelics brought me! and that’s accessible to me … always! this revelation felt like a reward for my endurance and i suppose, in a way, it was. :)
it’s also important to consider how these drugs are taken. pretty much every time i tripped, i laid in a dark and silent room with an eye mask on for 6+ hours fully immersed in the experience. i was meditating without even really realizing. it’s fun to walk around and see all the swirls sometimes, but i believe these substances exist to bring us to this ultimate understanding. this is sacred medicine that opens one up to profound self-exploration and reflection, and it can torment you - bring you to the deepest depths of suffering - if you don’t know what’s going on. i continue to use them as tools to develop my understanding. i think certain people just happen to take this unique (and kinda cool 🤙) path to the ultimate destination. psychedelics are like miracle gro for self-exploration; they give perspective, a lot to reflect on, and they might completely wake you up if you have the right foundation. but the labor of growing your garden still rests on you! the curiosity in consciousness and the nature of reality should blossom naturally! this is never a chore! go meditate!
I love this! A lot of meditation is needed, but psychedelics might show you where you will end up. That could raise motivation and patience upon this journey. In my opinion 5-meo-DMT is the most direct way to being infinity (for a couple minutes). It just shatters your ego and you just let go... then become infinity & nothingness.
Basically, some forms melt the mind's attachment to itself faster than others.
Psychedelics, Love, Hugging, Tasty food, Certain Music etc. All do that.
But that which remains, once the mind comes back to its original regular experiencing...was never along for the ride
The question is, is it possible to remember this experience of knowing that there is only one universal being thus making it easier to access once you’ve come down from the drugs?
All experience is the one creator expressing itself. Whatever "path" you seem to be in resonance with is whats real. You can't experience a reality that isnt this reality. Waking up from the dream doesnt mean that the dream disappears it means the belief that you were asleep disappears. There is no dreamer or dream. Its you. And only you. I Am the experiencing of who I Am.
Psychedelics let you experience the truth, then you must walk the path for yourself and bring yourself to be in alignment with the truth
It's not about taking psychedelics so much as about taking them with a good guide who had a good guide who also had a good guide. They'll show you a transformative experience and then temper it with applications for your life from then on. We're talkin about the knowledge that Rupert speaks from himself and you're going how do they know know all that stuff. And you know it's all true, and you do apply it maybe for the rest of your life
I feel like the spiritual community could benefit so much if established teachers like Rupert were able to discuss these things with a psychedelic experience of their own to base what they’re talking about off of. Psychedelics are an incredibly potent tool, but it’s hard to find teachers who are able to incorporate it into their teaching; mostly it is just people who take psychedelics, stumble upon an experience of awakening, then become spiritual. I would love to explore the perspective of people who practiced spiritually for a long time, awakened, and then took psychedelic drugs.
Eckhart Tolle took acid so he could see what everyone was talking about. Google it. He talks about it in an interview with Oprah and compares it to normal conscious presence.
@@Mitzarabinowitz Never knew that, I’ll check it out
Someone who had awakened would most likely have no desire for psychedelics.
Psychedelics absolutely will take you closer to yourSELF. Especially if one is also practicing self enquiry. Rupert has never experienced them and he shouldn't judge them.
I had consumed recently this year magic mushrooms 10 times and 5 meo dmt once. With shrooms I experienced one trip of 3 hours like nightmare hellish thoughts. Some hard to explain fear and despair. With 5 meo dmt I got a panic attack i thought I was going die even i was prepared for strong feelings.
Maybe I will try again because after all trips i felt some kind relief, some changes in strong believes and more acceptance.
How was your ‘sets’?
Mindset: feeling in good mood?
Setting: in a safe, good vibration place?
Excellent response
Rames S. Balsekar commented: once you looked through the window it is good. Further experiences are not necessary...I think he had also no psychedelic experiences, but who knows...
And you'll chase that experience with each new attempt to recreate it.
In regard to Rupert's perception of the sunlight being constant, it depends on where you are if I'm on the other side of the universe and have no view of it, does it really exist to me? The further away from the sunlight you are the more SOMETHING turns into NOTHING.
As huge a fan i am of Rupert Spira, i don't think he can really speak about the psychedelic experience if he has never had one. As an experienced psychonaut myself, i do however have to say that psychedelic experiences are always temporary (obviously). But at the same time they are also more than just experiences (while they are lasting). They can really show you the unity of everything, the Christ consciousness so to speak.
They can really bring you out of your ego mind.
I know he is not interested, but wouldn't it be cool if Rupert took a psychedelic trip? That way he would actually know what it is and would give better answers regarding this. I still think he is right in his answer, but then it would be based on actual experience. Bach and Beethoven are amazing, but what about Bach and Beethoven on LSD, Rupert?
did you watch until the end? in the end he agreed that psychedelics can help ;))
@@mirrorme_portal Yes i did. That's a little at least. ;) Still, it would be really cool if he (like Eckhart Tolle) would have a psychedelic experience! That would make his opinion about it so much stronger and it would be really interesting to see him talk about it. Of course, no one can force him to.
Ones again this tendency Is very nice, to see the people reactions is lovly. Keep like this Rupert, very clear answer s.thank you
Is Rupert saying ;Form is empty, emptiness is form. like two sides of the same coin?
It seems psychedelic experiences tap into that universal consciousness but the apparatus, the body's chemistry is changed outside of normal parameters and the spectrum of perception is greatly changed. There is one IT, but the limited mind and body's limits are changed.
It would be *very* interesting to read Rupert Spira's trip report if he did mushrooms or LSD. And it would be very interesting to just observe a conversation between Rupert Spira and Terence McKenna, if that was possible.
Lol anyone notice that orb floating near the blonde guy's face at around 15.30?
Is heaven and hell both experiences of mind ? If yes are they finite or infinite?
I know how 'the dude' feels. I experience love but yes, it is obscured constantly by feelings of resistance and sadness. Its troubling. I have had some really beautiful experiences on mushrooms and don't know if I would have had the shifts in consciousness without them 🤔
So thoughtfully answered.. Great
Great talk; so clear!
In the end, it was agreed that drugs can thin out this veil that blocks pure love --- however, if you have bad experiences in your frequent 'trips' or 'stone' or clouding then it could add more of a veil. Using drugs is a short-cut (quicker) in a way. Nonuse and a natural way may be slower but it is safer. And with drugs, there is the (temptation) to get addicted to them VS the natural process. Once hooked there is the possibility of misuse of drugs. Knowing oneself (naturally) can (most effectively) get us there without risk because one "bad" experience with the shortcuts, could really set one back to a difficult state. Usually, not always, this (wisdom) is something that has to be (learned) experienced to be fully convinced.
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Yes. Thank you. Even marijuana (considered to be harmless and organic) MAGNIFIES the trip, which can intensify a bad trip. It could/may lead to a psychotic experience. Again, if one's connected to God (as being THE structure or laws of this reality) (universe) then IT is the safe, natural way. Nature, as we observe, is a very slow but SURE process...
And I'm sure there is a reason for that.
Human beings can fall (even a mountain goat can slip) If one had an observer (skilled) TO watch over and caution then I think nit could be of help.
But how many pot (lovers) smokers will adhere to that?
Consciousness experiencing itself. But if we have a form consciusness is finite then there can be more that one conciusness somewhere...?
Rupert's answer lack's empathy and experience of consciousness. I would like to know, if anyone can tell me, what level of Enlightenment has Rupert experienced. Self realisation is my guess? I am certain he hasn’t been through the death experience what is referred to as the Ultimate Enlightenment “mahaparinirvana”. To add, if a 'meditator' uses drugs they will help to experience connectivity / oneness through LSD, weed in fact any stimulate will change your body chemistry. A meditator's energy is already heightened so anything can shift your energy levels towards the crown chakra. These non-dual modern teachers lack the courageous to open the topic of drugs and expand on the subject in more detail. Yes, all experiences are phenomena, and (only Awareness is all there is), but the chemical shift that drugs provide weakens the mind's potency, so that consciousness can be known more clearly, this can provide essential glimpses for people who would otherwise spend years in meditation. Experimenting with drugs can help one's meditation, but the process can be a intense strategy, but it can give you direction to point towards. Having said all this, I would only encourage meditation as the process towards Enlightenment, drugs provide you no navigation of how you got there, so you can never return when you want. Meditation is a self-navigated path, so you can always return, better still, stay there! You will never be a Master for using drugs.
beware of unearned wisdom
Rupert contradicts himself so many times in this video
"I think of going to the Grave without having a Psychedelic Experience is like going to the Grave without ever having Sex. It means that you never Figured out what it is all about. The Mystery is in the Body and the way the Body Works itself into Nature."
~Terence McKenna 🙏🏽❤️
Appreciate this open talk about this topic and absolutely repect both points of view. Really enjoyed listening to this conversation ❤️
I'm a psychedelic virgin...looking forward to my first experience or maybe first of many...😄
I hope it will help me understand and realize more...
Whatever you do for the experience your self as it is , that is the best things you are doing in this life ,and what amazing our true self is Whatever ways we choose for it , it is brings us to the same path or destination
beautiful answer !
Metaphysical discussion of the use of psychedelics...
... 15:35 : "Hey is that a soap bubble?"
I believe that the use of psychedelics can, for some people, taken within the context of sincere self-exploration, bring them "closer to their true self" because the psychedelic substance temporarily inhibits the capacity for self-delusion and lying to oneself. I know this from personal experience. I have been trying for years, decades, to turn self-love from an abstract concept into something truly felt. Thus far, I have only been able to achieve this state while under the influence of psilocybin. Its one thing to say it, its another to believe it. I cant claim to know from study what the mechanism is that converts wishful thinking into true belief, but in my case its only been psychedelics that have been able to turn that key.
If, in a slice of time, two bodymind entities happen to fully resonate with one another and the thoughts disappear temporarily, then call it be called Love or Oneness? Atleast for that time period? Or, must this condition last permanently atleast in one bodymind to be claimed so?
The memory of the questioner's experience (although temorary) must have altered something within, right? How is it different to the state of experiencing non duality of this Universe in a flash and then descending from the climax? But never forgetting the shift afterwards?
15:39 when you realize why you irreparably screwed up your brain .. 😆🤣😂
The love is a learned sense, the most part of love is comeing from ego. Behind the love is a lots of thougs, that thougs is activating the love hormons on our body. So i dont think is that useualy love is comeing from our soul...the love for just one person is egoistic love. We can experience other kind of love if wee go behind a mind, but that love we will feel for everyone.
“They are neither sufficient nor necessary “
@James Howard people are mystified by “meditation” . Just be able to focus on things and put Attention to them .Determined One-Pointed awareness. If you apply that the the breath or mind or body its mistakenly categorized & called “Meditation” . There is Awareness and there is a subject who has awareness. what’s the identity of One who has Awareness. And in who’s Time/Space is the awareness happening.
@James Howard hey... ( ; The “subject” doesn’t possess the awareness, But is the cause behind the awareness. Specifically Atma Yoga ?? would be Consciousness of consciousness.. (*not even an “of” there) awareness Itself of itself. The awareness is the upright part of your world that is right in the center... The surrounding part is the Illusion. Learning to be aware of the movements of the mind, how those movements correspond to wants desires or lack of them in the world. What is the material our cords to the world are made of. It’s one thing to seek happiness from a starting point. It’s a whole mother can of worms if the individual has multitudes of desires expectations delusions..... It’s enough to deal with fears concerns insecurities unknowns about being human/ death . The world is like rocks rubbing up against itself and becoming smoother over time...?
@James Howard We humans are accustomed to the cause/effect relationship of activites and a wide range of associated "feelings".. "If i do this then I cancause this feeling" "If i meditate I can become better and different than I am now" " I need to get to another place that is different from where I am" " I can earn Peace & Happiness through my actions!" I can do it ! All by Myself!" "I can use meditation to take me to another place because where I am is unacceptable to myself" "My mind has the answers... It can figure it all out" Thats the minds take on meditation... Even when the mind is transcended / overcome at one point in time, The mind will later claim responsibility and Say " I did It All , Leave it to me, I Know it all" The mind will degrade and deny itself again and again as long as the mind itself gets to be the one who says: "mind is nothing. I transcend and overcome the mind. " ?????
@James Howard There is NOTHING more miraculous than that we exist here on some relative level. Existence and forms and time/space itself is the miracle. direct perception of the True Nature of the 5 elements etc. is beyond the mind. The "mind" is an adaptation of our biological organism for survival? It seems? *** ( One thing about the direct experience of REALITY...Is that people dont generally enjoy it ! .. 99%of the time people would prefer their "OLd reality" back . " I want my Reality back" the mind will say in the face of it? hahahha
@James Howard The price of Eternal peace happiness Bliss is exactly the SAME for everyone. Everything, Body ,Mind, Community, Cosmos...... Once you overcome transcend Let go of the perception of those things as seperate individual things.
Free of any misconceptions of things where is thestart meditating.One would have to be in a prior state of "Not Meditating" ? Just Listen to the meditation that is happening already.
Yoga is the confirmation of what is already there. Within.. but because of the Veiling powers of the cosmos doesnt seem like its there. Until realized for oneself people will look outward and to "Practices" ways" to achieve what they already have. the Universe is a pefect seemless paradox and nothing can really even be said of it. Its nature escapes allll words conceptions ideas
How do you pronounce Rupert's last name? Is it: "Speer-uh" or "Spire-uh"? Thanks!
The latter! I always said it wrong
@@oriel.infinite Haha, me too....but I had a hunch it was the "spire" version. thanks for confirming!
I dont know if you noticed a psicodelic bubble croosing tru
Love cannot be obstructed.