Tbf that's kinda how it works in a lot of parts. You lose the strategically important spot (city, railway hub, etc) and there's no point in holding that area and it's better to pull back to a more defensible area. You can see things like this in the Tunisia campaign in 1943
@@sirllamaiii9708 You see what I did was make a joke, as in a piece of commentary that was meant to inspire amusement as it were. I am well aware of how Hoi4 is played. However I was commenting on, and tell me if you get lost here, the many times Alex has started an invasion, all the tiles have green bubbles but one turns red and he halts the entire attack, I do hope this helped you understand what was going on in the originally comment. Where I was attempting to be humorous or pointing out something funny I noticed.
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 yeah, the US doesn't start great, and if you wanna do the csa path, you literally can't do an economy focus for a year, and the cavalry i spammed were 10 widths
also a note: when you join or leave a faction, subjects divisions return to their control, so that's what happened to the Panama defenders, you joined the allies, and the Philippines took their army back
I'm not sure why Landon is the Confederate President he actually supported the New Deal (though was worried about spending.) He lost the Presidential election 523-8.
Also too bad you can't keep him, if you didn't choose McArthur then once you become confederate you can only get William Dudley Pelley who has no skills at all.
so, this was my save. As I said, I was building Military Factories since the start, but the Great Depression and Undisturbed Isolationism modifiers really slow down how long Factories take to build, even with 15 working on building. I only changed my production to what I did when I realized how much I'd be losing by giving up the Western US, I did get like military 5 built. As you said in your stream, you don't play the US too often, and yeah, those modifiers kill production hard. Also, I stopped going down the path to the civil war because of the situation I was in. also, i didn't get the captain of industry cuz i was trying to get an army command staff
@@atibaaier5426 i tried going straight for 14-4s. once he disbanded some troops, and reduced the infantry to 20 width, it was actually only like a deficit of 20k, which was mostly cuz i trained out extra 10 width cavalry with high priority to have more troops on the front lines
Yeah choosing Landon really slows down getting rid of the Great Depression debuffs in my opinion. I like going that path, but it is tedious till you finish all those focuses and can get to normal.
@@Fordo007 oh i know. but you can't do the alt history path to bring back the csa without alf. and if you do it, you can't do any focuses to improve your economy for a year. there's a reason I've never seen the ai actually trigger the second civil war despite seeing alf numerous times, because the ai has a set time to do an economy focus with non historical ai, under the default setting, which must be enabled for achievements. i could enable the option to force them down that path, but that disables achievements
Step 1 to playing the USA: Don't do the Intervention focuses. They look good in theory, in practice they take so long to complete they're worthless compared to literally anything else you could do. Banking PP is even more useful.
@@Bluesonofman I suppose when you've hit the phase of the game where you've got no other focuses to complete, sure, knock yourself out. The only one I honestly like to snag is Intervention in Asia to pick up Vandegrift since he's the only US general that starts with the invader perk, and you will be launching a lot of naval invasions.
When he said reverse of 1812 it was relatively accurate since we made progress up towards their capital after the British defeat in plattsburgh and we lost some forts around lake Michigan I believe.
@@greystoke8234 press x to doubt… The whole pre-war US military was less than half a million strong with the Army, the largest branch only being 190,000, the Navy was about 125,000, and the Marines about 19,500 in 1939 before the start of the “peacetime” draft. On a front about the size of the western Front in WWI with multiple nations fighting against them in the hypothetical situation in the video. Frankly the US would lose and lose hard in this scenario not so much because of Mexico, but primarily because a war with Canada also means a war with the UK and the rest of the British Commonwealth.
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 It says if Canada and Mexico joined the Axis, prewar US holds back any invasion from Canada or Mexico, but even if the UK also joined the Axis, for some odd reason, the US was already mobilizing prior to enter the war. Even if the coalition had overwhelming firepower like you think they would. Say they push across the border, logistics and supply strains start to slow them down, by this time the US would be able to field an army that could push them back and go on the offensive
@@greystoke8234 This is outside of them all joining the axis so as not to have to make too many logical jumps. So excluding Germany for a lack of potential headaches, the still US doesn't even have to face "overwhelming" firepower, the US military was smaller than that of Portugal in 1938, before they actually started mobilizing. The peacetime mobilization wouldn't start until a year later, and with basic training alone for the Army at the time lasting 17 weeks (a policy that wouldn't change till after the battle of the bulge), the US wouldn't be able to realistically mount a decent defense for over a year. By that time you already have troops from the entire commonwealth and Mexico not only across the borders but actually pushing a considerable distance. The fact of the matter is that if the US got into a war like that in 1938 they'd lose and lose hard. There's just too few men stretched too far over too many potential fronts. The only place where they'd have some sort of parity at that time would be against the Royal Navy, and with that they'd actually have a home field advantage.
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 they wouldn’t lose. They had a small military sure, but there’s more to war then just that. The USA still out numbers both those countries at once and has a very large industry. realistically, the incaders would lose more then they would gain
Oh man there’s so much to unpack here as firsts lol (or “firsts” in a long time). This is gonna be great, am extremely excited to watch in full tonight!
2:45 I agree 100%. I am still pretty new to hoi4 and was playing napoleonic france, and went to war with germany, I saved when they made an offensive into the netherlands just in case then got absolutely demolished after trying to counterattack. Then I reloaded and instead hid behing rivers and let the germans kill themselves on my bparder and my naval blockade do its job, then I did a few attacks and stopped then I reached the rhine, and after a while, I made an attack and amrched past the rhine and before the germans could counterattack with their superior numbers and tanks I was able to get the soviets to join and germany got destroyed (this germany was also very strong because I had historical off and they were able to win a war with austria hungary which gave them czechoslovakia, austria and hungary, all before 1938
You mean the time Canada had nothing to do with it because it was purely British troops, but it makes them feel like their country is actually important?
The citizens in this alternate timeline did not have the largest stockpile of small arms in the world. There was a typo in Second Amendment so it read: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and ARM BEARs, shall not be infringed." The 4 letters BEAR had been swapped with the 3 letters ARM. This lead to dramatic loss of gun ownership and the highest bear related casualties since the war between man and bear during the Great Ursidae ker-flufal, when an ragtag alliance of Canada, Iceland and Estonia managed to liberate the world from The Ursidae confederation of Alpha Centauri. The TYPO was probably caused by Urisdae agents in an attempt to prepare for another invasion. It is also why Canada fought so well in this save file. They have many veterans and experience with war.
British Concordant? Kurdistan-Greek War? Canada forming the Synarchist Baja with Mexico? I've seen some wacky non historical games but this one is something else lmao. Plus how did the Civil War not happen in the US as he was playing? The original player took the Alliance with the Silver Shirts focus which starts a countdown to when a Civil War breaks out
i didn't even do anything wrong, i was just trying to win the second us civil war as the south for an achievement. with historical ai off Germany decided to remain fascist, and both Canada and Mexico did their focuses to join the axis and then Mexico attacked me
@@ukaszk.6590 I would've loved Imperator Rome but development is stopped.. I go for crusader Kings 3 then. I watch a lot off vids and damn what that game has to offer is a lot imo.
*Oh boy 2 videos this week already? Oh wait...it's Friday!*
Make it 3 by playing Easy Red 2 there's a Greece settings where you play as Italians against Germans lol
Oh wait it's Friday 😂
Oh well
Yo Alex! Love Your vids! Did u know ISP wants a singed picture of you?
Now u do
Check out his newest vid foe evidence
ISP WANTS A SIGNED POSTER FROM YOU!
Never thought I'd witness the Battle of St. Louisingrad.
or the new Alamo in Chicago?
@@tromedlovdrolmai Battles of Saint Lousingrad and Chicalago
Man, the most screen time my state has got.
@@DunkTasticMan Tell me about it.
@@DunkTasticMan gotta love it
alex: *loses one tile*
also alex: "all is lost" *gives half of country to the enemy*
Tbf that's kinda how it works in a lot of parts. You lose the strategically important spot (city, railway hub, etc) and there's no point in holding that area and it's better to pull back to a more defensible area. You can see things like this in the Tunisia campaign in 1943
Dam you went all out didn’t you
@@sirllamaiii9708 You see what I did was make a joke, as in a piece of commentary that was meant to inspire amusement as it were. I am well aware of how Hoi4 is played. However I was commenting on, and tell me if you get lost here, the many times Alex has started an invasion, all the tiles have green bubbles but one turns red and he halts the entire attack, I do hope this helped you understand what was going on in the originally comment. Where I was attempting to be humorous or pointing out something funny I noticed.
@@landryblake7846 yeah I'm just saying it isn't too ridiculous to do that
Honestly this might be most impressive disaster save so far. I never believed it possible to be in such bad situation against AI as USA this early.
USA starts off as garbage he probably spammed a bunch of two widths and converted them to full to get troops on the front.
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 yeah, the US doesn't start great, and if you wanna do the csa path, you literally can't do an economy focus for a year, and the cavalry i spammed were 10 widths
@@tromedlovdrolmai It can actually be worse, if you don’t get the senates approval you cant do any focus trees.
also a note: when you join or leave a faction, subjects divisions return to their control, so that's what happened to the Panama defenders, you joined the allies, and the Philippines took their army back
I wanna see Alex go against his greatest challenger to the best hoi4 player in a 1v1, swimmy.
Go cowboys
Giddy aunt vs swigma male
Tommy Kay will be the host
Bokoen1 will be the cheerleader
Who is Swimmy?
Edit: Thanks, now I know who swimmy is!
The Mississippi River goes north/south from Minnesota to Louisiana. The one that goes East from it all the way to Virginia is called the Ohio
Of course, the Ohio river feeds into the Mississippi.
You sure the Mississippi doesn’t end in Lake Michigan?
@@MechWarrior894 are you not american?
@@opaque_totc9275 I thought I was. Maybe being from Michigan has made me think we’re the fresh water capital of the world
@@MechWarrior894 You're from Michigan bro stfu. - This post was made by Ohio gang.
I'm not sure why Landon is the Confederate President he actually supported the New Deal (though was worried about spending.) He lost the Presidential election 523-8.
He's the Republican president because he literally ran against Roosevelt as a Republican in 1936
Any president can do Confederate focus tree
Edit: FDR cannot do the Confederate path
@@jovanhardianto4658 not Roosevelt. The first focus you have to take (Revive the Gold Standard) literally states FDR can't be the leader
I almost forgot that lol, I probably going to edit it
Also too bad you can't keep him, if you didn't choose McArthur then once you become confederate you can only get William Dudley Pelley who has no skills at all.
If it weren’t for the half dozen arrows in the thumbnail I wouldn’t have known you were playing USA. Thanks alex
It's where the enemy is attacking from. 0 iq
“The starving people in Saint Louis”. Very accurate
ISP said he wants a signed picture of you over his mantle piece
so, this was my save. As I said, I was building Military Factories since the start, but the Great Depression and Undisturbed Isolationism modifiers really slow down how long Factories take to build, even with 15 working on building. I only changed my production to what I did when I realized how much I'd be losing by giving up the Western US, I did get like military 5 built. As you said in your stream, you don't play the US too often, and yeah, those modifiers kill production hard. Also, I stopped going down the path to the civil war because of the situation I was in. also, i didn't get the captain of industry cuz i was trying to get an army command staff
how did you reach -50k equipment though lol
@@atibaaier5426 i tried going straight for 14-4s. once he disbanded some troops, and reduced the infantry to 20 width, it was actually only like a deficit of 20k, which was mostly cuz i trained out extra 10 width cavalry with high priority to have more troops on the front lines
Well he’s left the game in a decent position for you now 😁
Yeah choosing Landon really slows down getting rid of the Great Depression debuffs in my opinion. I like going that path, but it is tedious till you finish all those focuses and can get to normal.
@@Fordo007 oh i know. but you can't do the alt history path to bring back the csa without alf. and if you do it, you can't do any focuses to improve your economy for a year. there's a reason I've never seen the ai actually trigger the second civil war despite seeing alf numerous times, because the ai has a set time to do an economy focus with non historical ai, under the default setting, which must be enabled for achievements. i could enable the option to force them down that path, but that disables achievements
Step 1 to playing the USA: Don't do the Intervention focuses.
They look good in theory, in practice they take so long to complete they're worthless compared to literally anything else you could do. Banking PP is even more useful.
They are good late game
@@Bluesonofman I suppose when you've hit the phase of the game where you've got no other focuses to complete, sure, knock yourself out.
The only one I honestly like to snag is Intervention in Asia to pick up Vandegrift since he's the only US general that starts with the invader perk, and you will be launching a lot of naval invasions.
1938 disaster save? did ISP send in his a to z campaign?
This save feels like the first few missions of red alert 2 lore
When he said reverse of 1812 it was relatively accurate since we made progress up towards their capital after the British defeat in plattsburgh and we lost some forts around lake Michigan I believe.
This is a Turtledove story right here. What if Canada and Mexico joined the Axis and started World War II early by invading the U.S?
They would have been beaten back badly
@@greystoke8234 press x to doubt…
The whole pre-war US military was less than half a million strong with the Army, the largest branch only being 190,000, the Navy was about 125,000, and the Marines about 19,500 in 1939 before the start of the “peacetime” draft. On a front about the size of the western Front in WWI with multiple nations fighting against them in the hypothetical situation in the video. Frankly the US would lose and lose hard in this scenario not so much because of Mexico, but primarily because a war with Canada also means a war with the UK and the rest of the British Commonwealth.
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 It says if Canada and Mexico joined the Axis, prewar US holds back any invasion from Canada or Mexico, but even if the UK also joined the Axis, for some odd reason, the US was already mobilizing prior to enter the war.
Even if the coalition had overwhelming firepower like you think they would. Say they push across the border, logistics and supply strains start to slow them down, by this time the US would be able to field an army that could push them back and go on the offensive
@@greystoke8234 This is outside of them all joining the axis so as not to have to make too many logical jumps. So excluding Germany for a lack of potential headaches, the still US doesn't even have to face "overwhelming" firepower, the US military was smaller than that of Portugal in 1938, before they actually started mobilizing. The peacetime mobilization wouldn't start until a year later, and with basic training alone for the Army at the time lasting 17 weeks (a policy that wouldn't change till after the battle of the bulge), the US wouldn't be able to realistically mount a decent defense for over a year. By that time you already have troops from the entire commonwealth and Mexico not only across the borders but actually pushing a considerable distance. The fact of the matter is that if the US got into a war like that in 1938 they'd lose and lose hard. There's just too few men stretched too far over too many potential fronts. The only place where they'd have some sort of parity at that time would be against the Royal Navy, and with that they'd actually have a home field advantage.
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 they wouldn’t lose. They had a small military sure, but there’s more to war then just that. The USA still out numbers both those countries at once and has a very large industry. realistically, the incaders would lose more then they would gain
Oh man there’s so much to unpack here as firsts lol (or “firsts” in a long time). This is gonna be great, am extremely excited to watch in full tonight!
It's just "At First" , there's no "s" , figured you were feeling confused about it, we all get like that sometimes.
Also yes.
@@xLionsxxSmithyx thank you but I was meaning “as firsts”, shortened for “as first things”
@@dont-rump901 oki
@@xLionsxxSmithyx I do appreciate your thoughtfulness on pointing that out tho
I saw the last bit on stream, I did not know this USA save was that bad wtf. Good job on saving these saves as always though Alex!
USA disaster. That's unusual (stares pointedly into the camera)
8:26
"If only I had everything I needed, everything would be OK"
YA WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED
tbf divisions with equipment is a pretty low baseline
Giving the like button a good old rambler try - Have to, got TWO videos this week
Imagine not leaving a comment on a Rambler video.
Big fan of your channel bro
ikr
@@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329 thanks!
8:22 Reflects the sentiment of every losing side of every Post-WWI conflict ever.
The sentence "Oh they are at war with Russia...idiots!" sums up quite some European 20th history.
TBH the Canadians can keep Chicago. We don't want it.
1:58 I don't think you were paying attention to the division more of the train snaking into Providence
Alex complaining how bad chat is:
Me: look. Thats 725 Political power
the most painful thing here is the unassigned dockyards...
“America has a gun deficit”… angry American noises intensify
Come on down to Wisconsin Rambler, good drink here!
"I hate Illinois Nazis..." -MacArthur, Siege of Chicago
6:27 yeah that is indeed the Mississippi river
I wonder what Alex was about to say about our right to bear arms...
Bro lmfao I was thinking the same thing
Create a video where you do exactly what chat says to you (unlike save games) and watch what will you get out of it
17:07 that pc table took a beating
2:45 I agree 100%. I am still pretty new to hoi4 and was playing napoleonic france, and went to war with germany, I saved when they made an offensive into the netherlands just in case then got absolutely demolished after trying to counterattack.
Then I reloaded and instead hid behing rivers and let the germans kill themselves on my bparder and my naval blockade do its job, then I did a few attacks and stopped then I reached the rhine, and after a while, I made an attack and amrched past the rhine and before the germans could counterattack with their superior numbers and tanks I was able to get the soviets to join and germany got destroyed (this germany was also very strong because I had historical off and they were able to win a war with austria hungary which gave them czechoslovakia, austria and hungary, all before 1938
As an American, kudos on knowing the different accents.
A reverse 1812. I love the fact that Canadians still celebrate the time they counterattacked their southern neighbour and burned the white house.
You mean the time Canada had nothing to do with it because it was purely British troops, but it makes them feel like their country is actually important?
@@noneofyourbusiness9489 Bruh, it was Canadian militia who made it possible by repelling the American incursions into Upper Canada
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 Repelling after we burned down their capitial so good job.
Oh, cant wait for "the battle for Washingrad"
Incirclement at 15:14 is looking like patrick
The citizens in this alternate timeline did not have the largest stockpile of small arms in the world. There was a typo in Second Amendment so it read:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and ARM BEARs, shall not be infringed." The 4 letters BEAR had been swapped with the 3 letters ARM.
This lead to dramatic loss of gun ownership and the highest bear related casualties since the war between man and bear during the Great Ursidae ker-flufal, when an ragtag alliance of Canada, Iceland and Estonia managed to liberate the world from The Ursidae confederation of Alpha Centauri.
The TYPO was probably caused by Urisdae agents in an attempt to prepare for another invasion. It is also why Canada fought so well in this save file. They have many veterans and experience with war.
In the 40’s there would probably still be more guns than people
16:06 Alex "I don't care how many die because I've got unlimited manpower" This must be where The USSR and China got their idea during WW2
"Oh you have advanced technologies and well trained troops? Yeah good luck surviving my 4 million manpower push dumbass."
I find it funny how Germany took Wisconsin first
Okay this is really good save video.
Always a pleasure to watch!
The is the earliest I’ve ever been. Love you Alex!
They must've screwed the 2A to get a gun deficit XD
We have more guns than people over here!
the bit about how america got a gun deficit got me belly laughing!
There's something very fitting about German Reich Oklahoma, isn't there?
British Concordant? Kurdistan-Greek War? Canada forming the Synarchist Baja with Mexico? I've seen some wacky non historical games but this one is something else lmao. Plus how did the Civil War not happen in the US as he was playing? The original player took the Alliance with the Silver Shirts focus which starts a countdown to when a Civil War breaks out
My guess is he won the Civil War as the President in the video Alf Landon is the game's Confederate leader.
alex: take that, Germany!!!!!!
Mexico and Canada: **Visible confusion**
I'm having a can of GInger Ale and none of you can stop me!
Hey Alex, if you ever need save games i have alot from my early learning days that are basically impossible
Those are useless and out of date most likely
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 suprisingly not actually
@@JusticeforKYRAT What new people are still buying this meh game? A word of caution after 5k hours it becomes boringly easy
I love beardless Alex.
Nice to see some USA content!
Amazing video
Dude must’ve watched your 2021 tutorial
17:10 lol.
america legally allowed machine gun ownership till the 1983
Nicely done!!
I love that kitten mug. ^_^
Prolly should’ve kept Texas for the oil
And Minnesota for the steel
“Was that an 8 incher we can research”
Nice disaster save
15:27 cursed sentence because irl it's opposite
50k+ gun deficit in 38? Sounds like a manufactured save game.
A USA disaster eh? I'm in!
This autoplayed after a Ukraine war livestream ended
I was not prepared for that
You saying Chicago pissed me off
0:19 Explains a lot =P
Someone should send this to oversimplified
I feel this isn't a disaster save, but an intentional. To see if they could best you
nice video.
You know what would be great in this situation... maintance companies
Does Canada get any focus tree updates from dlcs?
Yes, I think the Together for Victory DLC
Chicago, America's Stalingrad.
Major head up own ass vibes from this one
When you stop getting recommended a channel and you find out the reason is because you weren't subscribed-
How do u mess up a USA playthrough that isn't in Kaiserreich? Oh wow that person found away.
i didn't even do anything wrong, i was just trying to win the second us civil war as the south for an achievement. with historical ai off Germany decided to remain fascist, and both Canada and Mexico did their focuses to join the axis and then Mexico attacked me
@@tromedlovdrolmai That is your problem not using the historical AI focuses.
He says 38 at 0:38 lol
Guys honest are Paradox games good for first timers? I love total war games but want to try a paradox like CK3 game too.. Any advice?
They're all different. Hoi 4 was my first paradox game and it wasn't that bad. Just be patient, start loving learning new mechanics, icons etc.
@@ukaszk.6590 I would've loved Imperator Rome but development is stopped.. I go for crusader Kings 3 then. I watch a lot off vids and damn what that game has to offer is a lot imo.
Pumping the videos out.
I need that mug in my life
As an American, let them keep Chicago, let them experience the hell it already is.
Nice save
disaster saves. great content
Nice safe!!
Heres the commentt, love the vids alex!
hot darn! *clap*
Moral of the story
good show mr rambler
Life is so depressing in Wisconsin they join the Germans just for fun.
i commented, liked, and subscribed
Alex does know that we all don't talk in.......whatever accent that was right? (A mix of Boston, Chicago and New York?)
Which dlc lets you reform austria hungry?
Hey suggestion for Alex but maybe consider doing a chat plays HOI4 we're all your decisions are decided by the chat.
Queen reference eyyyyyy
Never seen Alex Play as USA quite a rare site