The R8 actually has a faster continuous autofocus framerate than the EOS R. The EOS R does have a max of 8fps, but that drops to 5fps with continuous autofocus. Looks like a great budget camera at $1,500!
If Canon R8 would have ibis it would be a heavier and more expensive camera. Thus it would lose its uniqueness and extreme convenience as the most lightweight and inexpensive full frame camera in the world. Same with battery: if it would have a bigger battery it would be a heavier camera. So if one wants IBIS and bigger battery he just should buy Canon R6 Mark 2. Canon R8 with Ibis and bigger battery is Canon R6 Mark 2, very simple and evident. People complain so much about lack of Ibis in R8 and exaggerate it so much. Why do people need IBIS so much really? Any decent lens now has a very good IS. It's quite enough for convenient sure shooting. If one wants Ibis for shooting video handheld it's ridiculous. If one is really serious about shooting video handheld then he anyway just gets gimbal. And if one still wants so much to shoot video exclusively handheld without gimbal then let him just buy R6.
I love your reviews Dan! I learn a lot from your videos, fluent, informative, rich and friendly! God bless you and good luck with whatever you do in your life!
I'm really intrigued by the fact that it has no overheating in 4k, but lack of IBIS sucks. Only reason I ever take my R6 anywhere is because I want an extremely light setup and don't want to take a gimbal or tripod w/ me.
Yeah...I mean I understand it slightly given the price since it's expensive hardware but you nailed it, that's a massive feature for people who want a compact camera with no extra gear
It honestly depends on the lenses you have. If you have the newest RF lenses, most of them have IS. Also, it could be a perfect second camera for many pro users.
The funny thing is when I first bought my r5, it came with electronic first curtain on by default and because I was hearing the shutter, I assumed I was in mechanical shutter mode. I can't tell the difference but I did switch to mechanical shutter out of habit. But I guess I was using electronic first curtain for almost a year
@@Stan_the_Belgian when I first realized it was in a warehouse. The lighting in the ware caused every other picture to be a different luminance. It wasn't as bad as electronic shutter but still visible. That was when I set the camera to mechanical shutter instead of electronic first curtain
As a Sony user with 4 Full Frame Bodies being A7S3, 2x A7iv and A7C, Canon are seriously doing an amazing job and if not for how expensive the RF mount lenses and lack of 3rd support, I would consider it. Sony from the jump priced the A7iv to high and the lack of full frame 4K 60 even if it was line skipped or pixel binned is a miss for me and the fact it can still overheat in certain non extreme situations leave me also too confident in the camera. Excellent hands on video Dan
I got the R6 II and I got EF lenses and it's insanely good. Unlike Sony/Nikon/Panasonic the Canon adapted system works with 0 loss in performance. In fact, the EF lenses adapted to mirrorless work just as well - in some cases better - than the native RF glass. My Sigma Art 50 1.4 focuses 2x faster than the RF 50 1.2 and it cost me 1/3 the price and even with the adapter, it's smaller than the RF lens. The amount of lenses and third party options for the EF line is insane and the prices are less than native third party options for Sony.
Quite a serious little camera, and the inclusion of 4k60 422 10 bit is a stunner at this price point. It looks like Canon has caused some turbulence in the market. Wonderful!
are you serious??? this is the kind of camera you give your kid when he finally decides to stop taking pics with this Iphone. And at $1700 with a crap lens?
All good, and no need to apologize. Trust me, I’m not a huge fan of Canon, but I’m surprised that Canon has a 4k60 422 10bit solution at such a low price point. You can believe when I say that I do understand your frustration with these camera manufacturers as they have disappointed the buying public so many times…
They have a 35, 50, and 85 as well as a few zooms...not horrible. It's the apsc line that has nothing. But ideally they will just let 3rd party companies fill in the gaps
Unlike Sony/Nikon/Panasonic the Canon adapted system works with 0 loss in performance. In fact, the EF lenses adapted to mirrorless work just as well - in some cases better - than the native RF glass (or native GM glass on Sony). My Sigma Art 50 1.4 focuses 2x faster than the RF 50 1.2 and it cost me 1/3 the price and even with the adapter, it's smaller than the RF lens. The amount of lenses and third party options for the EF line is insane and the prices are less than native third party options for Sony.
The 35, 50, and 85 are budget and they are exceptional, better than the Sony equivalents and for less money. Alex Barerra did a comparison of the R6 and A7IV with these entry level lenses and the Canon system cost less and the image quality was better/sharper than on the Sony system.
I have been shooting professionally on my RP for 2 years & have always seen the R6 as the next natural upgrade for me, but the R8 gives me an interesting alternative upgrade option. I’m starting shooting weddings now, so the older AF system on the RP is a concern for me, the low light & the poor dynamic range of it is also becoming more apparent now too
Does shooting weddings on a single sd slot scare you? Corrupt cards freak me tf out for important shoots, hence why I'm getting an R6Mii. This R8 is the best B cam or travel cam
@@Jesse-pp4te I have to admit it was freaking me out too yes, the last wedding I shot I hired an R6 as primary body with my RP as second body & I felt much more comfortable having 2 SD slots in the R6
@garethjones5068 R7 might be your best bet. its like an R8, but with 2 sd slots, a little less low light performance from what i'm reading(i might be wrong) and nearly identical price
Thanks! True...but keep in mind this isn't a stacked cmos sensor so in electronic shutter you can see rolling shutter or get banding with some artificial lighting
Canon has become the Apple of cameras…they give and take away the same features, while making their lenses and accessories next to unaffordable. All to turn around and give them all back to you in the latest release when you already dumped money into another build
I know this is a niche market but this camera will quite possibly be the new standard for stop motion and time lapse. Build quality doesn’t matter in the same way for a static, tethered, mounted camera always indoors and always powered externally. There’s a canon firmware update that doubles the monitor output over usb to software like Dragonframe. All that really matters is image quality.
The biggest issue for most would be battery. Not everyone is gonna utilize IBIS anyway. For people who need super smooth...you get a gimbal. The low cost can allow you to buy plenty of batteries to carry around if juice is a concern. As for the sd card slots.....do you really need 2? If so, then buy another camera I suppose. Otherwise, this is a very powerful camera for an incredible price point.
On the plus side, the batteries are smaller, lighter, and cheaper so even though they don't last as long, it's pretty easy to buy and carry a few spares. I need dual card slots for a variety of reasons...I'm often shooting with a 2nd shooter so having the ability to have my card and their cards shooting at the same time is helpful so after the shoot we don't need to transfer files, I'm also big on shooting dual cards for things like weddings that can't be reshot, it's great when we need fast edits and I can just hand off 1 card to an editor mid shoot to start editing while I keep shooting on the same card, and it also makes a great holder for a spare card in that 2nd slot even when I'm only shooting to a single card. But obviously most none pro shooters wouldn't need that.
I’m sure you are right about keeping the first curtain electronic fps slower. It really is a shame but I understand why they did it to protect the R6II sales
Great video, with good tips and useful information that can help everyone. Good point you made about Canon cripple the video part in their cameras. I left them due to this behavior. Panasonic and Sony are putting the gun at the head of Canon to not cripple at video spec. One of the best or maybe the best review of this camera.
Loving the new R8... but lenses have slow apertures on the affordable lenses! The nice lenses cost over £1000 wow. I'd switch from Fuji xt3... but not enough lens choice just yet.
I would love to have this camera as a 3rd option for teaching. I currently use the R5 and R6ii and i hate the thought of handing students my expensive tools.😅
Great video. Im stuck between the R7 and the R8. At 62, i don't need another expensive hobby so im trying to get the best one for travel/ family pics. Thanks Sir Dan for this video.
It's a hard choice. Technically the R7 is a better camera but the R8 is better image quality but since you're mostly using this for travel and enjoyment, I would lean for the R8. Plus the R7 is harder to justify since it's an APSC camera but Canon doesn't make many good APSC specific lenses so you'll end up getting full frame lenses which helps to justify the full frame R8 bhpho.to/3xoTvNz
IBIS is fine, in some cases (35-85 mm, maybe 24) but no wider or longer. Anything longer doesn't work as effectively with IBIS, and anything wider will wobble in corners. But the places where the IBIS camera is not allowed to enter are dance clubs, noisy industrial workshops, shooting passing trains - everything where there are strong acoustic vibrations. Here you can't shoot anything good with IBIS camera.
Video is where the upgrade is absolutely worth it. For photos only, it definitely has some advantages with the new autofocus upgrades but the EOS R has a better body, bigger battery faster frame rates, and a few other things so I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade for photos alone
Good review ,Thanks Dan. I have just added an R8 to go alongside my 90D and I am very impressed with the focusing success I am getting, I do find the number of boxes jumping around in the viewfinder a little disconcerting, what is the best way to reduce the amount of ‘Junk’ visible in the viewfinder?
Dan, as always... great review. As I've said before... I can always trust that you will do a thorough job on your review and give us the straight scoop. Despite your review, I remain disappointed with the R8 and what it could have been. The compromises that Canon made to slot this camera in (battery, Ibis, and mechanical shutter) are just such odd decisions. Why not put a decent battery in there? I was hoping the R8 would have been the EOS R mk ii and not the RP mk (a camera that my wife has and that I hate). Canon has me seriously scratching my head sometimes.
Appreciate that! So, if you think of this as an upgraded RP (which is what I think it is), I think Canon did a great job. If you think of this as an EOS R mk II, it's definitely missing a LOT. 2 things, 1 I think Canon marketing made a horrible decision by comparing it to the EOS R and positioning this as a replacement in the product line since the R8 is NOTHING like the EOS R. #2, the EOS R was like $2200 when it first came out so WAY above the R8 price. The only reason the EOS R is priced so low is that Canon kept it on the market too long and the R didn't age well since Canon crippled it too much. So I think what you're looking for is an EOS R replacement or an actual higher end camera than the RP...not just a mark II which is why this feels underwhelming...and for now, the only camera Canon has that achieves that is the R6II.
@@learningcameras Yes. You’re right on the money. I expected more and was underwhelmed. I have an R5 and would love a photo forward camera to pair with the R5 for weddings. I had an R6, but sold it looking for another solution. I would happily pay $2000-$2200 for a photo forward camera that wasn’t limited like Canon seems to limit cameras that are not it’s top tier offerings. I do agree with you that if the R8 is thought as a replacement for the RP then it probably exceeds expectations.
Canon is killing it with the body lineup, there's a camera for any and every user and the quality and ergonomics are imo top of the game, unless we are talking about Sony's low light capabilities, they're doing gods work in that field. It's just so hard for me to give Canon number 1 spot with how they are about 3rd party lenses, everything about Canon is amazing but if they want to make insane low cost cameras they have to balance it out with allowing 3rd party lenses so the new photographers are much more driven to buy Canon.
I agree... When people ask me for camera kit recommendations it's harder for me to recommend Canon because of the cost and limited variety of lens options for a complete kit
@@colintraveller It is my "favorite full frame camera for $1500"... and if you watch my video right before the conclusion I literally say, my only reservation "has nothing to do with the camera" but the problem is lenses...and then I literally went in to an entire rant about 3rd party lenses which I also did in the 6DII review and will probably continue doing until they allow them. Absolutely no irony if you actually watch the entire video
Dan! Great review! I’m checking out the FX30 , R7, and R8. Would love to make educational videos around 5-10 minutes in edited length as well as travel videos and sport videos. Color/image quality and working properly is the top importance. Any ranking or preference?
So all of those cameras can handle what you need but I'd say if you are focusing on video, the FX30 would be the best. It's really purpose built to do that where the R8 and R7 focus a bit more on photography
I’d personally take something like the X-T5 due to missing so many basic features such as IBIS and dual card slots and a plastic body. It shows what you can get away with due to cracking the AF algorithm. Without it is a really poor camera compared to the competition.
@@ghas4151 I agree that the xt5 is a beautiful and capable camera...but the R8 has a lighter compact body without sacrifing the weather sealing or the deep grip.I only wish it would have a joystic also that would be great addition to the package
@@ghas4151 xt5??? I WILL NEVER EVER USED A CROP SENSOR CAMERA,. HAHAHAHA in full frame,. you just need a cheap lense 50mm 1.8 is enough deph of field,. in crop,. you need atleast 33mm 1.4 just to match 50mm 1.8 depth of field,. but when you used 50mm 1.2 or 1.4 in fullframe you can't never match that in crop sensor Fuji,. because theres no such lense like 33mm 0.8 just to match 50mm 1.2 or 1.4 Crop sensor is a waste of money,. crop sensor are for those broke photographers,.
Great review! Would really like to see your next vid be your long term review R6 ii; especially since you said you have been shooting nonstop with it 😎
Dan! I would LOVE to see a video about how you dial in your R6 II and R8 autofocus for video! Btw, love your b-roll... it's always the best out of the series when you are out with other TH-camrs.
I am upgrading from an Sl1 from 20015. I am debating between an R8 and an R7. They are at the same price point. The IBIS might be a deciding point as will the mechanical shutter on the R7.
Technically the R7 is a higher end body but getting a full frame sensor for the same price is tempting, especially since Canon doesn't have any good APSC lenses so you'll probably be getting full frame lenses anyway
Its going to be my decision too. I am full of 3rd party lenses starting from Sigma Art to Tamron 150-600 G2. They all pair up nicely with my 5DM4 and M3. Honestly Im feeling that they will do the job better on the R8 than the R7. Will wait and read for more advice. Image quality on R8 looks like a tat better with evident nicer dynamic range. IBIS is good but not a deal breaker in my opinion as it is mostly on every lens and Im more into stills. Card slots and battery are far better on R7 but in the end we buy cameras for great photos not battery life and storage options. We can improvise on the latter by buying more batteries or a grip if it ll be available.
Thanks for the video. Long time 70D user here and I was "this close" to upgrading to an R. Since its now $400 cheaper should I still buy it or wait for the R8??
So the R is a deal considering it's initial starting price but it was a very crippled camera so it's tough for me to recommend in 2023 and definitely don't get it if you shoot video at all. The R8 is probably a better choice in general though especially since you are coming from a 70D and the R8 has all the latest mirrorless upgrades
It's a pretty small battery so it will drain quickly...that said they are so small, you could throw 3 in your pocket like candy and never notice so unless you need 1hr+ of continuous recording, it might not be a big issue
Appreciate that! Rolling shutter is actually very well controlled in this. Probably one of the best you will find in any camera over 24mp (lower megapixels usually helps read speeds). It's still there but almost every camera that has better rolling shutter uses a super expensive stacked CMOS sensor, or has a very low megapixel count like the Sony A7SIII
@@learningcameras Thank you for the detailed reply. I am in a confusion to pick which camera - R7 or R8. I am concentrating only on stills. Not into video. Can you suggest which one is best for me? Or any other brand models? Awaiting for your reply
@@tedsclickz2535 For stills, rolling shutter isn't an issue in mechanical shutter which is what the cameras use by default. Rolling shutter is mostly an issue with video or when using electronic shutter which is optional, but allows faster frame rates on some cameras. For stills at $1500, the R8 would probably be the camera to get. Full frame has a quality advantage and IBIS is not going to help for sports/wildlife since you will already be using fast shutter speeds. So unless you need the hardware upgrades of the R7 like dual card slots, more controls, and a better screen/viewfinder, the R8 is what I'd get. My favorite R8 gear is in the video description!
Great video! As far as 4K 60 goes, without IBIS, so always shooting with stabilizer; Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K or the Canon R8? Or rather spend that extra money and get the Sony a7iv?
I can still shoot handheld if I'm super careful or using a stabilized lens. Obviously I made this video using the R8. If you're a videographer mainly, the Panasonic S5II is a great camera over the black magic. The R8 is extremely capable but don't forget it's created for more of that entry level or travel friendly market who doesn't want to compromise on quality
How is the low light performance? Would this camera work well for astrophotography? I'm thinking mostly Milky Way shots and the occasional deep space object like the Orion nebula? I'm using a Canon 90D now and would like to move to a full frame camera.
Hey Dan, thanks for the review. I'm trying to decide between the R7 and the R8. I want to do 2 things... low light photos/vids and dog action shots (aka running, fetching, catching) Will the electronic only shutter be an issue on dog leg movements? (aka would i get rolling shutter since it isnt mechanical?) or do dog legs not move fast enough? haha
Hey! Sorry for the late reply. So the R8 has a first curtain mechanical shutter so you won't really have a problem. In low light you might get more flicker/banding from artificial light but this would be rare and with a mechanical first curtain, you shouldn't see any rolling shutter. It's not a fully electronic shutter
Great video. I had my mind made up on an RP with a 24-105 f4 and the 100-400 Zoom to take on a trip to Alaska the first of June then Canon announced the R8 so I preordered it. I know the ship date is mid April but I'm told Canon is known to have missed ship dates in the past. If I don't get this camera by mid May how disappointed should I be if I have to go with the RP? This will be the first camera I have owned with video.
So if you are shooting video, the R8 would be a massive update. If it doesn't arrive in time you could always rent a Canon R7...gives you even a few more features than the R8 and the fact that it's an APSC crop instead of full frame is probably helpful in Alaska because it will give you extra reach from your lenses. Or you can rent the R6II. If it's just for a week or two, the rental cost shouldn't be too bad. For photos, the RP is fine but video on the newer cameras will definitely look better.
I been doing photography and videography since 2010 on and off buying and selling gear I fell in the trap of wanting the latest and best gear now I’m bout to hop back into it and I don’t care about all the extra stuff carrying around all the light equipment’s and camera gear. I just want a r8 with a simple 50mm 1.8 and I only want to shoot natural light I just want a more simple life
I just got my R8 and put on my nift fifty 1.8. The problem with that lens is the noisy autofocus motor. Remember, to get stabilization one needs to go electronic and than it will crop somewhat. I passed on the 200 dollar 24-50 but in reality for video work it might be ok since it has an stm auto focus motor and built in image stabilization. Just not for stills.
Canon doesn't use BSI sensors but they are still outclassing the Sony BSI sensors. The R6 II has lower noise, better dynamic range and much faster sensor speeds than the BSI A7IV. Same with the R5 vs the A7RIV/V.
@@ironsharpensiron2895 Nope, I've shot Canon for 20 years, tried other brands, never liked them and always stay with Canon. I wish I could get paid by Canon.
Nice!!! Love this.. so quick question Dan.. I'm used to Sony and I know Sony does extremely well with autofocus and tracking. I use my camera mostly for my Kids sports... basketball, running so sounds like this camera is great for sports.. so my question is.. would you go with this over say the sony A7? (for price point I say yes) and 2nd.. which lens would you recommend for sports photography if i am wanting a decent reach in artificial light?
Thanks! So for what you are shooting, I'd either go with the R8 or if you want to use Sony, you could use the A7III which has a great AF system (though not quite as advanced as the R8). But if you shoot video and photo, the only Sony camera that comes close to matching the R8 is the A7IV which is vastly more expensive. Lenses are where the Canon R8 falls short...the only decently priced option is the 100-400: bhpho.to/3JRoclU but that's not the best aperture for low light. Thankfully the R8 is full frame with solid low light performance but with Sony you can get Tamron or Sigma lenses with wide apertures for a decent price.
I would buy a used Canon EF 70-200/2.8 II or III. Canon claims those lens are fully compatible with current R cameras. Depending with the light conditions you might get away with a 4.0 zoom. Any sport taking place outside, use at least a 300mm.
Voigtländer 50 1.0 for Canon RF has electronic contacts! Maybe soon coming more these 3rd party lenses with electronic contacts. Good time to wait cheaper lenses:) I am still ef -system user but strongly thinking should I switch to rf already myself.
So no overheating up to 4K30p? That's good news. I guess battery life is going to be the main concern. How long can you shoot 4K24p with one charge? I do hear it supports USB-C charging so that's cool if you're using tripod or figure out some kind of rig for handheld.
In 4k 60 fps the camera writes 15-20 minutes at 22 - 25 Celsius. I had to buy a third party Ulanzi cooler, a Canon RP battery grip and a fast memory card to fix the heat at that temperature. But if the temp is 30+, even in that set-up the camera will shut down, I think after half an hour.
I currently have the EOS RP and was thinking of getting the R8. I am in no way a professional I am an average joe taking photos at disneyland and so on. Would it be an upgrade in your opinion? And Would you upgraded from the RP? TIA
It would be an upgrade although for photos alone, it would be a modest one. You'll get slightly better image quality and improved autofocus mostly. If you want to shoot video, that's where the R8 is VASTLY improved from the RP.
Can the R8 output HDMI and show the screen at the same time? This has been a dealbreaker for me with R6II and R7 because you basically can’t use it for streaming. I suspect they haven’t made this available for R8, but a man can have hope.
I'd say overall the A6700 is a better camera for video and the R8 is a better camera for photos. Sony went all out with specs but the Canon has a full frame sensor which makes a pretty big difference for images
Little battery, put that on a tripod and when you run out of power you have to remove the tripod plate to access the battery to change it. Can be a big problem depending on how you are going to use the R8.
Hahaha, seriously! I mean, technically the Z9 but that's so high end and for some reason they still barely have stock. They definitely need some big releases with absolutely no holding back to stay relevant
Really looking to go with this as my first full-frame camera. I have never had a Canon before, coming from the Nikon 7200 I have had for many many many years. What kind of memory card is good for this one? Better to go more space since it only can take one card or go smaller and use multiple cards?
Awesome! So this would be my choice for a less expensive card: amzn.to/3L6dg4u and if you can afford it, these cards are a bit faster if you are shooting high speeds or 4k60 video: amzn.to/3mvoc1c
Great Content: If you purchase a camera today, would you recommend the sony fx3 or the canon r6 mark ii for doc/vlog content or any other suggestions? I also like to take pictures on occasion. Thanks
If you are only using it for video, the FX3 is definitely more purpose build for doc work especially. The R6II will handle vlogging like a dream and will also work better for that occasional photo. Both can do it but if the doc work is more important, probably go for the FX3 and if the hybrid/do anything aspects of the camera are more important, go for the R6II
So you're saying a cheap car is the same as an expensive one, it's just cheaper for no reason? :) There is a reason for everything, including Canon being the most expensive, you just need to understand and learn cameras and stop comparing spec sheets.
That's called a sale...I'm sure it will happen to the R8 too in a few years lol. Those cameras obviously don't have the newest features either since they are old cameras so they lack the AF advancements and full frame 4k60 for starters
@@kifley19 I WISH I got paid for this lol. The closest camera to this is the Sony A7C which was also a single card slot and that was $2000 when it came out. Not sure what other compact camera you're comparing this to. Obviously Canon has the R6 and R6II for people (like me) who want IBIS and dual cards. Sure, I'd take IBIS and dual card slots but at the price, I wouldn't call that crippling. I actually think the 6fps in mechanical is a little slow though. Personally I don't need more but that seems more like a crippled feature
The S5 can't autofocus... who wants it! LOL. And the 4k is cropped and crippled with no 4K 60 full frame let alone oversampled. The lens selection is also terrible.
If the Canon R8 had a bigger battery that we see for the Canon R5 and R6, I'd buy the camera in a heartbeat. No ibis, no rotary dial, no joystick and one card slot I can get passed.
I don't think there is a video on RF lenses. As far as the cameras, The R6 or R6II is an upgrade to the R8 in every area unless you absolutely need the smallest/lightest camera you can get so it's just a matter of cost. If you can live without the more pro end hardware of the R6II, higher end video formats, and IBIS, the R8 gives you pretty much everything else you would need for less money. For me, I need some of the extra features of the R6II so I use that camera more
Hi, and thank you for your review! For $300 more for a new R6 (version 1) would you take that over the R8? Looking for a true hybrid camera to take on trips. FYI, I have Ronin SC I take with me on trips as well. I had a dedicated 5D iii for photos and A6400 for videos, but sold them to trade up for hybrid 😊
Thanks! So the main advantage of the R6 is hardware...things like more controls, better build, dual cards, ibis...things like that. Since you sold the other cameras and are used to cameras like the 5D, I think you might want some of those hardware features so the R6 might be a decent step up from the R8 for you
Dan, when i used the R model, i found the files’ resolution (jpeg and raw) soft. I find my r6 files show better, finer detail even though it has fewer pixels. All this probably due to the nature of the anti aliasing filters Canon applies. Heck, my apsc Nikon Z50 shows better detail then the Canon R. So when reviewing can you share your observations on the files resolution, independent of mp numbers?
Absolutely, AA filters play a role as does the quality of the sensor. Unfortunately the EOS R sensor was not the most amazing either. The R6 is the latest gen of sensor from Canon and it does have some improvements. Not massive ones but enough to notice. Lenses and accurate autofocus also make a big difference so higher resolution sensors so sometimes the reason higher megapixels don't always look as good is because the focus is ever so slightly off or the lens can't resolve that many pixels. That's why higher resolution isn't always that big of a deal depending on the sensor quality, subject, camera settings, lens, and viewing size
HIya! Thank you for a really informative video! As someone who very much wants to upgrade from a 70D to full frame mirrorless and has no interest in video is the R8 what would be recommended over the R6 II? Not a professional just a very avid amateur who wants to make a good long term investment in an upgrade. Thanks!
Probably the R8. Technically the R6II is better in every way but if you're not a pro, you probably don't need things like the extra battery life for long shoots, dual cards, and 12fps. I'd instead use that extra $1k for lenses and I have a list of my favorites in the description
8:59 Autofocus - many reviews mention that AF is very good, but all the footage I have seem makes me doubt as one can see usually struggling to keep focus and systematically loosing focus on an easy target in other reviews or videos made with the R8 .... it would be nice to have a video that either uses the AF in a reliable manner (as you mention that it is highly configurable), or that states that it is actually unreliable
So I don't have the R8 anymore but I use the R6II daily which basically has an identical AF system and I use autofocus constantly with amazing results, especially with people
Hey bro! Great video! You mentioned no record limits in video. Is that true with this model for all resolutions? On B&H they listed it has a 30min record limit. I'd consider picking one of these up as a podcast camera if it doesn't have a record limit! Thanks Dan! Love ya man!
DAN.......IF I ONLY SHOOT VIDEO.........would you go with the R7? or R8? I only ask because IBIS is important to me. IF YOU were buying, would you go Sony FX 30? Thanks. Bo
I wonder how third party EF lenses perform with the adapter. I thought one of the big selling points was that you could still carry over your expensive EF glass from your Canon DSLR.
Canon's adapter actually performs very well. That was a good selling point when the EOS R first launched. But it has been like 5 years and most of us want new lenses especially because autofocus systems mechanically have adapted with mirrorless cameras. The AF system on a DSLR was independent of what you saw on the viewfinder so AF motors needed to be fast and accurate but they didn't need to look pretty with how they hit the target. Since you can actually see what the AF system does on a mirrorless camera or if you actually shoot video, the AF system needs to be fast, but also fluid. As a result we've seen a move to linear focus motors. Mirrorless RF mounts also allow a lens to be more compact and they have more communication pins so there is an advantage to new native RF mount lenses. So buying 5+ year old lenses DSLR lenses that don't use any of the advantages of the RF mount and having to add size and weight with an adapter isn't as compelling these days. But it works well.
I have a t6 & am looking to upgrade and was leaning towards the eos 90d pricing seems the same but where would I get more bang for my buck upgrading for a new camera as I am looking at breaking in to this photography area?
Is this camera better than the 1dx mark ii ? I wanted to buy a used 1dx mark ii for photo and video to cover weddings and other events. I'm on the fence on these 2 cameras. I would really appreciate your professional opinion. Thanks.
Thanks for the cool video. I am doubting enormously. I started as a photographer two years ago. I now have my own photo studio. I mostly shoot portraits and fine art. I also occasionally shoot videos for companies. I have been using an a7ii on loan for the past few years. Now I want to buy my camera myself. I have a huge doubt between the R8 or R6 (not the markii) and can't make a choice after all those videos on TH-cam.
There won't be any EF-M to RF adaptors, unless you're talking about EF-RF? The EF-M mount is too small for EF or RF cameras and the distance from lens to sensor is too different also. Basically a bigger mount or the same size mount can be adapted to smaller mounts like EF-EFM
There is still an issue with older processors if you are shooting in Clog3 or HLG because then the files are h.265 422 which older processors didn't like. Canon doesn't allow you to chose 420 10bit like Sony does or h.264. The M1 was the first to edit those files decently but I haven't tried the latest Intel ones
I’ve been so tempted to switch to the R8 from my R5 for 1) low light (very slight advantage, but still an advantage), 2) size and weight, and 3) no ibis for my wide angle 15-35 lens. Something tells me I will regret it though, especially with the new r5 updates potentially coming soon. Just wish I could hold a smaller camera
I wanted to buy this R8 but Im really curious with the effect of its first curtain / electronic shutter in strobe photography. No one demonstrate this in youtube. Does it matter if I use F1.4/1.8 + 1/8000 shutterspeed using strobe?
Hello sir, I am confused between two cameras , canon R8 and Sony a 7iii. I am from india and we are having a canon sale I which I can get R8 for Rs. 1 lakh , whereas 7iii is available for Rs.1.24 lakh. I am basically hobbiest and like to take a few portraits and some videos. My plan for lenses is 35 mm f1.8 and 85 mm f1.8. Which do you think would be best camera for me in every respect.l? Thank you, Ys
I shoot motorsports photography at mostly dirt tracks and drifting events and I use a canon T7 but really want to buy this r8. Do you think this will be good for it? Also I was looking to get a 70-200 2.8
Absolutely, this will definitely be a massive upgrade from the T7 in quite a few ways. You might go through batteries faster but it only takes a few seconds to swap them out
Feels more like an RP replacement than an Eos R. I'm just waiting a more photo-focused middle ground with the R and R5, and a fast 35
The R8 actually has a faster continuous autofocus framerate than the EOS R. The EOS R does have a max of 8fps, but that drops to 5fps with continuous autofocus. Looks like a great budget camera at $1,500!
If Canon R8 would have ibis it would be a heavier and more expensive camera. Thus it would lose its uniqueness and extreme convenience as the most lightweight and inexpensive full frame camera in the world. Same with battery: if it would have a bigger battery it would be a heavier camera. So if one wants IBIS and bigger battery he just should buy Canon R6 Mark 2. Canon R8 with Ibis and bigger battery is Canon R6 Mark 2, very simple and evident. People complain so much about lack of Ibis in R8 and exaggerate it so much. Why do people need IBIS so much really? Any decent lens now has a very good IS. It's quite enough for convenient sure shooting. If one wants Ibis for shooting video handheld it's ridiculous. If one is really serious about shooting video handheld then he anyway just gets gimbal. And if one still wants so much to shoot video exclusively handheld without gimbal then let him just buy R6.
Right👍🏻
Used r6 is about the same price as an r8 now
I love your reviews Dan! I learn a lot from your videos, fluent, informative, rich and friendly! God bless you and good luck with whatever you do in your life!
Means so much! Thanks Nate
I'm really intrigued by the fact that it has no overheating in 4k, but lack of IBIS sucks. Only reason I ever take my R6 anywhere is because I want an extremely light setup and don't want to take a gimbal or tripod w/ me.
Yeah...I mean I understand it slightly given the price since it's expensive hardware but you nailed it, that's a massive feature for people who want a compact camera with no extra gear
It honestly depends on the lenses you have. If you have the newest RF lenses, most of them have IS. Also, it could be a perfect second camera for many pro users.
@@mbvglider bingo. This would be a great 2nd camera for me for wedding videos
Helpful review ,,,, I decided now upgrade from my old Canon 6D to this R8
Hi Lucas, how are you getting on with the R8 - I use a 6d currently and wonder if this might be my next step!
great review Dan. Even with its small shortcomings I think I can live with it. Thanx
The funny thing is when I first bought my r5, it came with electronic first curtain on by default and because I was hearing the shutter, I assumed I was in mechanical shutter mode. I can't tell the difference but I did switch to mechanical shutter out of habit. But I guess I was using electronic first curtain for almost a year
Did you notice differences in the pictures?
@@Stan_the_Belgian when I first realized it was in a warehouse. The lighting in the ware caused every other picture to be a different luminance. It wasn't as bad as electronic shutter but still visible. That was when I set the camera to mechanical shutter instead of electronic first curtain
As a Sony user with 4 Full Frame Bodies being A7S3, 2x A7iv and A7C, Canon are seriously doing an amazing job and if not for how expensive the RF mount lenses and lack of 3rd support, I would consider it. Sony from the jump priced the A7iv to high and the lack of full frame 4K 60 even if it was line skipped or pixel binned is a miss for me and the fact it can still overheat in certain non extreme situations leave me also too confident in the camera. Excellent hands on video Dan
I got the R6 II and I got EF lenses and it's insanely good. Unlike Sony/Nikon/Panasonic the Canon adapted system works with 0 loss in performance. In fact, the EF lenses adapted to mirrorless work just as well - in some cases better - than the native RF glass. My Sigma Art 50 1.4 focuses 2x faster than the RF 50 1.2 and it cost me 1/3 the price and even with the adapter, it's smaller than the RF lens. The amount of lenses and third party options for the EF line is insane and the prices are less than native third party options for Sony.
R8 shutter is damn loud.
@@pal54321 It is absolutely loud compared to the R6II. Definitely not the same high end shutter mechanism
Completely agree!
Quite a serious little camera, and the inclusion of 4k60 422 10 bit is a stunner at this price point. It looks like Canon has caused some turbulence in the market. Wonderful!
again, canon forcing that crap LPE17 battery on people. They learned nothing from the RP backlash.
are you serious??? this is the kind of camera you give your kid when he finally decides to stop taking pics with this Iphone. And at $1700 with a crap lens?
Well Gosh😊👍
@@jeffreyfleming4016 sorry. just ranting.
All good, and no need to apologize. Trust me, I’m not a huge fan of Canon, but I’m surprised that Canon has a 4k60 422 10bit solution at such a low price point. You can believe when I say that I do understand your frustration with these camera manufacturers as they have disappointed the buying public so many times…
Canon brought out an excellent budget camera but don't have budget lenses. Ha!
They have a 35, 50, and 85 as well as a few zooms...not horrible. It's the apsc line that has nothing. But ideally they will just let 3rd party companies fill in the gaps
Yep and they won't let 3rd party manufacturers make lenses either.
Unlike Sony/Nikon/Panasonic the Canon adapted system works with 0 loss in performance. In fact, the EF lenses adapted to mirrorless work just as well - in some cases better - than the native RF glass (or native GM glass on Sony). My Sigma Art 50 1.4 focuses 2x faster than the RF 50 1.2 and it cost me 1/3 the price and even with the adapter, it's smaller than the RF lens. The amount of lenses and third party options for the EF line is insane and the prices are less than native third party options for Sony.
The 35, 50, and 85 are budget and they are exceptional, better than the Sony equivalents and for less money. Alex Barerra did a comparison of the R6 and A7IV with these entry level lenses and the Canon system cost less and the image quality was better/sharper than on the Sony system.
Typically other fanboys.. attacking canon about their lenses hahaha
I have been shooting professionally on my RP for 2 years & have always seen the R6 as the next natural upgrade for me, but the R8 gives me an interesting alternative upgrade option. I’m starting shooting weddings now, so the older AF system on the RP is a concern for me, the low light & the poor dynamic range of it is also becoming more apparent now too
Does shooting weddings on a single sd slot scare you? Corrupt cards freak me tf out for important shoots, hence why I'm getting an R6Mii. This R8 is the best B cam or travel cam
@@Jesse-pp4te I have to admit it was freaking me out too yes, the last wedding I shot I hired an R6 as primary body with my RP as second body & I felt much more comfortable having 2 SD slots in the R6
@@Jesse-pp4te i'd imagine it's unbelievably detrimental if it were to happen, but it's never happened to me in years.
@garethjones5068 R7 might be your best bet. its like an R8, but with 2 sd slots, a little less low light performance from what i'm reading(i might be wrong) and nearly identical price
Probably the camera to replace my canon 200d. The only thing I need is 4k60 no crop and here it is for reasonable amount of money
R8 can go to 8k shutter speed on electronic shutter so it isn't limited to 4k. Great review
Thanks! True...but keep in mind this isn't a stacked cmos sensor so in electronic shutter you can see rolling shutter or get banding with some artificial lighting
Canon has become the Apple of cameras…they give and take away the same features, while making their lenses and accessories next to unaffordable. All to turn around and give them all back to you in the latest release when you already dumped money into another build
You can move the focus point with the touch screen when your looking through the viewfinder
I know this is a niche market but this camera will quite possibly be the new standard for stop motion and time lapse. Build quality doesn’t matter in the same way for a static, tethered, mounted camera always indoors and always powered externally. There’s a canon firmware update that doubles the monitor output over usb to software like Dragonframe. All that really matters is image quality.
Great video and very helpful. Would love to see another video of your auto focus settings.
The biggest issue for most would be battery. Not everyone is gonna utilize IBIS anyway. For people who need super smooth...you get a gimbal. The low cost can allow you to buy plenty of batteries to carry around if juice is a concern. As for the sd card slots.....do you really need 2? If so, then buy another camera I suppose. Otherwise, this is a very powerful camera for an incredible price point.
On the plus side, the batteries are smaller, lighter, and cheaper so even though they don't last as long, it's pretty easy to buy and carry a few spares. I need dual card slots for a variety of reasons...I'm often shooting with a 2nd shooter so having the ability to have my card and their cards shooting at the same time is helpful so after the shoot we don't need to transfer files, I'm also big on shooting dual cards for things like weddings that can't be reshot, it's great when we need fast edits and I can just hand off 1 card to an editor mid shoot to start editing while I keep shooting on the same card, and it also makes a great holder for a spare card in that 2nd slot even when I'm only shooting to a single card. But obviously most none pro shooters wouldn't need that.
I’m sure you are right about keeping the first curtain electronic fps slower. It really is a shame but I understand why they did it to protect the R6II sales
Great video, with good tips and useful information that can help everyone. Good point you made about Canon cripple the video part in their cameras. I left them due to this behavior. Panasonic and Sony are putting the gun at the head of Canon to not cripple at video spec. One of the best or maybe the best review of this camera.
Appreciate that!
Loving the new R8... but lenses have slow apertures on the affordable lenses! The nice lenses cost over £1000 wow. I'd switch from Fuji xt3... but not enough lens choice just yet.
I would love to have this camera as a 3rd option for teaching. I currently use the R5 and R6ii and i hate the thought of handing students my expensive tools.😅
Great video. Im stuck between the R7 and the R8. At 62, i don't need another expensive hobby so im trying to get the best one for travel/ family pics. Thanks Sir Dan for this video.
It's a hard choice. Technically the R7 is a better camera but the R8 is better image quality but since you're mostly using this for travel and enjoyment, I would lean for the R8. Plus the R7 is harder to justify since it's an APSC camera but Canon doesn't make many good APSC specific lenses so you'll end up getting full frame lenses which helps to justify the full frame R8 bhpho.to/3xoTvNz
R8 !!!! If for family ;)
IBIS is fine, in some cases (35-85 mm, maybe 24) but no wider or longer. Anything longer doesn't work as effectively with IBIS, and anything wider will wobble in corners. But the places where the IBIS camera is not allowed to enter are dance clubs, noisy industrial workshops, shooting passing trains - everything where there are strong acoustic vibrations. Here you can't shoot anything good with IBIS camera.
gonna buy this, R8 will sell like hot cake
Very nice camera for its price. I have the Eos R but I don’t think I’m upgrading. Gonna invest in lenses
Video is where the upgrade is absolutely worth it. For photos only, it definitely has some advantages with the new autofocus upgrades but the EOS R has a better body, bigger battery faster frame rates, and a few other things so I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade for photos alone
@@learningcameras I’m thinking of going from the R to the R6 as I’m mainly focusing on shooting video now
@@hawkboy000 If you're shooting video, get the R6II...it's a MASSIVE update from the original EOS R and is worth the upgrade from the original R6
music, models, video everything is fine
Good review ,Thanks Dan. I have just added an R8 to go alongside my 90D and I am very impressed with the focusing success I am getting, I do find the number of boxes jumping around in the viewfinder a little disconcerting, what is the best way to reduce the amount of ‘Junk’ visible in the viewfinder?
Dan, as always... great review. As I've said before... I can always trust that you will do a thorough job on your review and give us the straight scoop. Despite your review, I remain disappointed with the R8 and what it could have been. The compromises that Canon made to slot this camera in (battery, Ibis, and mechanical shutter) are just such odd decisions. Why not put a decent battery in there? I was hoping the R8 would have been the EOS R mk ii and not the RP mk (a camera that my wife has and that I hate). Canon has me seriously scratching my head sometimes.
Appreciate that! So, if you think of this as an upgraded RP (which is what I think it is), I think Canon did a great job. If you think of this as an EOS R mk II, it's definitely missing a LOT. 2 things, 1 I think Canon marketing made a horrible decision by comparing it to the EOS R and positioning this as a replacement in the product line since the R8 is NOTHING like the EOS R. #2, the EOS R was like $2200 when it first came out so WAY above the R8 price. The only reason the EOS R is priced so low is that Canon kept it on the market too long and the R didn't age well since Canon crippled it too much. So I think what you're looking for is an EOS R replacement or an actual higher end camera than the RP...not just a mark II which is why this feels underwhelming...and for now, the only camera Canon has that achieves that is the R6II.
@@learningcameras Yes. You’re right on the money. I expected more and was underwhelmed. I have an R5 and would love a photo forward camera to pair with the R5 for weddings. I had an R6, but sold it looking for another solution. I would happily pay $2000-$2200 for a photo forward camera that wasn’t limited like Canon seems to limit cameras that are not it’s top tier offerings.
I do agree with you that if the R8 is thought as a replacement for the RP then it probably exceeds expectations.
Get the r6 and get those features
12:10 the canon r8 can actually record 1080p 180fps video
Great work man
Appreciate that!
Canon is killing it with the body lineup, there's a camera for any and every user and the quality and ergonomics are imo top of the game, unless we are talking about Sony's low light capabilities, they're doing gods work in that field. It's just so hard for me to give Canon number 1 spot with how they are about 3rd party lenses, everything about Canon is amazing but if they want to make insane low cost cameras they have to balance it out with allowing 3rd party lenses so the new photographers are much more driven to buy Canon.
I agree... When people ask me for camera kit recommendations it's harder for me to recommend Canon because of the cost and limited variety of lens options for a complete kit
@@learningcameras Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the IRONY ..
As yer more than happy to upsell it . and you even said it was yer fav ..
@@colintraveller It is my "favorite full frame camera for $1500"... and if you watch my video right before the conclusion I literally say, my only reservation "has nothing to do with the camera" but the problem is lenses...and then I literally went in to an entire rant about 3rd party lenses which I also did in the 6DII review and will probably continue doing until they allow them. Absolutely no irony if you actually watch the entire video
So should I go for this for buy my friends R5 he offered his for $2200 with batteries , 50mm lens extra batteries and bag
Sick intro🔥
Dan! Great review! I’m checking out the FX30 , R7, and R8. Would love to make educational videos around 5-10 minutes in edited length as well as travel videos and sport videos. Color/image quality and working properly is the top importance. Any ranking or preference?
So all of those cameras can handle what you need but I'd say if you are focusing on video, the FX30 would be the best. It's really purpose built to do that where the R8 and R7 focus a bit more on photography
@@learningcameras and now a6700!
@@jaymills1720 Yep! I've actually had it for the past 2 weeks but still editing the full review! Should be out later this week
@@learningcameras haha so let me be the first annoying guy to ask. A6700 or r8
Probably the best camera we've seen in that price range! Can't wait to get it 🙌
I’d personally take something like the X-T5 due to missing so many basic features such as IBIS and dual card slots and a plastic body.
It shows what you can get away with due to cracking the AF algorithm. Without it is a really poor camera compared to the competition.
@@ghas4151 I agree that the xt5 is a beautiful and capable camera...but the R8 has a lighter compact body without sacrifing the weather sealing or the deep grip.I only wish it would have a joystic also that would be great addition to the package
@@ghas4151the R8 is full frame.
@@ghas4151 xt5??? I WILL NEVER EVER USED A CROP SENSOR CAMERA,. HAHAHAHA
in full frame,. you just need a cheap lense 50mm 1.8 is enough deph of field,.
in crop,. you need atleast 33mm 1.4 just to match 50mm 1.8 depth of field,.
but when you used 50mm 1.2 or 1.4 in fullframe
you can't never match that in crop sensor Fuji,. because theres no such lense like 33mm 0.8 just to match 50mm 1.2 or 1.4
Crop sensor is a waste of money,. crop sensor are for those broke photographers,.
Great review! Would really like to see your next vid be your long term review R6 ii; especially since you said you have been shooting nonstop with it 😎
Thanks! Working on it now
@@learningcameras Excellent 😎
Dan! I would LOVE to see a video about how you dial in your R6 II and R8 autofocus for video!
Btw, love your b-roll... it's always the best out of the series when you are out with other TH-camrs.
100% on the b-roll!!!
Appreciate that! I'll add that to the list of topics to cover
I am upgrading from an Sl1 from 20015. I am debating between an R8 and an R7. They are at the same price point. The IBIS might be a deciding point as will the mechanical shutter on the R7.
Technically the R7 is a higher end body but getting a full frame sensor for the same price is tempting, especially since Canon doesn't have any good APSC lenses so you'll probably be getting full frame lenses anyway
Its going to be my decision too. I am full of 3rd party lenses starting from Sigma Art to Tamron 150-600 G2. They all pair up nicely with my 5DM4 and M3. Honestly Im feeling that they will do the job better on the R8 than the R7. Will wait and read for more advice. Image quality on R8 looks like a tat better with evident nicer dynamic range. IBIS is good but not a deal breaker in my opinion as it is mostly on every lens and Im more into stills. Card slots and battery are far better on R7 but in the end we buy cameras for great photos not battery life and storage options. We can improvise on the latter by buying more batteries or a grip if it ll be available.
Packed with so much info here. Thank you.
Thanks for the video. Long time 70D user here and I was "this close" to upgrading to an R. Since its now $400 cheaper should I still buy it or wait for the R8??
So the R is a deal considering it's initial starting price but it was a very crippled camera so it's tough for me to recommend in 2023 and definitely don't get it if you shoot video at all. The R8 is probably a better choice in general though especially since you are coming from a 70D and the R8 has all the latest mirrorless upgrades
Is this battery drain easily? Is this good for continues video recording??
It's a pretty small battery so it will drain quickly...that said they are so small, you could throw 3 in your pocket like candy and never notice so unless you need 1hr+ of continuous recording, it might not be a big issue
Battery grip
Great video brother. Subscribed...How about the rolling shutter in this camera? I love to shoot action shots (wildlife & sports)
Appreciate that! Rolling shutter is actually very well controlled in this. Probably one of the best you will find in any camera over 24mp (lower megapixels usually helps read speeds). It's still there but almost every camera that has better rolling shutter uses a super expensive stacked CMOS sensor, or has a very low megapixel count like the Sony A7SIII
@@learningcameras Thank you for the detailed reply. I am in a confusion to pick which camera - R7 or R8. I am concentrating only on stills. Not into video. Can you suggest which one is best for me? Or any other brand models? Awaiting for your reply
@@tedsclickz2535 For stills, rolling shutter isn't an issue in mechanical shutter which is what the cameras use by default. Rolling shutter is mostly an issue with video or when using electronic shutter which is optional, but allows faster frame rates on some cameras. For stills at $1500, the R8 would probably be the camera to get. Full frame has a quality advantage and IBIS is not going to help for sports/wildlife since you will already be using fast shutter speeds. So unless you need the hardware upgrades of the R7 like dual card slots, more controls, and a better screen/viewfinder, the R8 is what I'd get. My favorite R8 gear is in the video description!
Great video! As far as 4K 60 goes, without IBIS, so always shooting with stabilizer; Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K or the Canon R8? Or rather spend that extra money and get the Sony a7iv?
I can still shoot handheld if I'm super careful or using a stabilized lens. Obviously I made this video using the R8. If you're a videographer mainly, the Panasonic S5II is a great camera over the black magic. The R8 is extremely capable but don't forget it's created for more of that entry level or travel friendly market who doesn't want to compromise on quality
How is the low light performance? Would this camera work well for astrophotography? I'm thinking mostly Milky Way shots and the occasional deep space object like the Orion nebula? I'm using a Canon 90D now and would like to move to a full frame camera.
Brooo your vids are amazingggggg ❤❤❤
Really appreciate that!!! Means the world
Hey Dan, thanks for the review. I'm trying to decide between the R7 and the R8.
I want to do 2 things... low light photos/vids and dog action shots (aka running, fetching, catching)
Will the electronic only shutter be an issue on dog leg movements? (aka would i get rolling shutter since it isnt mechanical?) or do dog legs not move fast enough? haha
Hey! Sorry for the late reply. So the R8 has a first curtain mechanical shutter so you won't really have a problem. In low light you might get more flicker/banding from artificial light but this would be rare and with a mechanical first curtain, you shouldn't see any rolling shutter. It's not a fully electronic shutter
Thanks for a great vid Dan
Great video. I had my mind made up on an RP with a 24-105 f4 and the 100-400 Zoom to take on a trip to Alaska the first of June then Canon announced the R8 so I preordered it. I know the ship date is mid April but I'm told Canon is known to have missed ship dates in the past. If I don't get this camera by mid May how disappointed should I be if I have to go with the RP? This will be the first camera I have owned with video.
So if you are shooting video, the R8 would be a massive update. If it doesn't arrive in time you could always rent a Canon R7...gives you even a few more features than the R8 and the fact that it's an APSC crop instead of full frame is probably helpful in Alaska because it will give you extra reach from your lenses. Or you can rent the R6II. If it's just for a week or two, the rental cost shouldn't be too bad. For photos, the RP is fine but video on the newer cameras will definitely look better.
Thanks for sharing another wonderful video like always 👍👌
I been doing photography and videography since 2010 on and off buying and selling gear I fell in the trap of wanting the latest and best gear now I’m bout to hop back into it and I don’t care about all the extra stuff carrying around all the light equipment’s and camera gear. I just want a r8 with a simple 50mm 1.8 and I only want to shoot natural light I just want a more simple life
I just got my R8 and put on my nift fifty 1.8. The problem with that lens is the noisy autofocus motor. Remember, to get stabilization one needs to go electronic and than it will crop somewhat. I passed on the 200 dollar 24-50 but in reality for video work it might be ok since it has an stm auto focus motor and built in image stabilization. Just not for stills.
Great review,,,, Deal breaker if at this point will not take 3rd party lens....C'mon Canon
Canon doesn't use BSI sensors but they are still outclassing the Sony BSI sensors. The R6 II has lower noise, better dynamic range and much faster sensor speeds than the BSI A7IV. Same with the R5 vs the A7RIV/V.
Do you work for Cannon? All your comments are against Sony Lol
@@ironsharpensiron2895 Nope, I've shot Canon for 20 years, tried other brands, never liked them and always stay with Canon. I wish I could get paid by Canon.
Nice!!! Love this.. so quick question Dan.. I'm used to Sony and I know Sony does extremely well with autofocus and tracking. I use my camera mostly for my Kids sports... basketball, running so sounds like this camera is great for sports.. so my question is.. would you go with this over say the sony A7? (for price point I say yes) and 2nd.. which lens would you recommend for sports photography if i am wanting a decent reach in artificial light?
Thanks! So for what you are shooting, I'd either go with the R8 or if you want to use Sony, you could use the A7III which has a great AF system (though not quite as advanced as the R8). But if you shoot video and photo, the only Sony camera that comes close to matching the R8 is the A7IV which is vastly more expensive. Lenses are where the Canon R8 falls short...the only decently priced option is the 100-400: bhpho.to/3JRoclU but that's not the best aperture for low light. Thankfully the R8 is full frame with solid low light performance but with Sony you can get Tamron or Sigma lenses with wide apertures for a decent price.
I would buy a used Canon EF 70-200/2.8 II or III. Canon claims those lens are fully compatible with current R cameras. Depending with the light conditions you might get away with a 4.0 zoom. Any sport taking place outside, use at least a 300mm.
Voigtländer 50 1.0 for Canon RF has electronic contacts! Maybe soon coming more these 3rd party lenses with electronic contacts. Good time to wait cheaper lenses:) I am still ef -system user but strongly thinking should I switch to rf already myself.
I'm looking for budget video only body. Since I'm already invested in RF glass, this seems like a winner for me.
So no overheating up to 4K30p? That's good news. I guess battery life is going to be the main concern. How long can you shoot 4K24p with one charge? I do hear it supports USB-C charging so that's cool if you're using tripod or figure out some kind of rig for handheld.
is that by mains though or just power bank?
When I get it in I'll do formal tests and test using USB C but I doubt you'll get much more than an hour on a single battery with oversampled 4k
In 4k 60 fps the camera writes 15-20 minutes at 22 - 25 Celsius. I had to buy a third party Ulanzi cooler, a Canon RP battery grip and a fast memory card to fix the heat at that temperature. But if the temp is 30+, even in that set-up the camera will shut down, I think after half an hour.
I currently have the EOS RP and was thinking of getting the R8. I am in no way a professional I am an average joe taking photos at disneyland and so on. Would it be an upgrade in your opinion? And Would you upgraded from the RP? TIA
It would be an upgrade although for photos alone, it would be a modest one. You'll get slightly better image quality and improved autofocus mostly. If you want to shoot video, that's where the R8 is VASTLY improved from the RP.
Can the R8 output HDMI and show the screen at the same time? This has been a dealbreaker for me with R6II and R7 because you basically can’t use it for streaming. I suspect they haven’t made this available for R8, but a man can have hope.
Great Video :) I’m just wondering if c1-c2 buttons are customizable for video as well ?
I thought they were but I'll have to double check when I get the camera
Can you power this camera via USB C for longer zooms calls … as an example.
Absolutely
Thank you for this video. Great.
In your opinion, considering all the features, Canon R8 is a better camera or Sony a6700?
Thank you

I'd say overall the A6700 is a better camera for video and the R8 is a better camera for photos. Sony went all out with specs but the Canon has a full frame sensor which makes a pretty big difference for images
Little battery, put that on a tripod and when you run out of power you have to remove the tripod plate to access the battery to change it. Can be a big problem depending on how you are going to use the R8.
Просто приклей скотчем к штативу повербанк и снимай не отключаясь целый день
It can be powered via USB-C so not really a problem if you're shooting on tripod.
Great review thanks Dan - this looks like an awesome camera that could live on a gimbal.
Thanks for this. By the way, have you seen a new Nikon camera since....I dunno...4 B.C.? Are they still making cameras?
Hahaha, seriously! I mean, technically the Z9 but that's so high end and for some reason they still barely have stock. They definitely need some big releases with absolutely no holding back to stay relevant
Really looking to go with this as my first full-frame camera. I have never had a Canon before, coming from the Nikon 7200 I have had for many many many years. What kind of memory card is good for this one? Better to go more space since it only can take one card or go smaller and use multiple cards?
Awesome! So this would be my choice for a less expensive card: amzn.to/3L6dg4u and if you can afford it, these cards are a bit faster if you are shooting high speeds or 4k60 video: amzn.to/3mvoc1c
Great in-depth review❤
You promised to make more videos about this camera. 6 months passed and no new video about the R8.... 😢
I feel called out when you being up the compact being the draw.
haha
Great Content: If you purchase a camera today, would you recommend the sony fx3 or the canon r6 mark ii for doc/vlog content or any other suggestions? I also like to take pictures on occasion. Thanks
If you are only using it for video, the FX3 is definitely more purpose build for doc work especially. The R6II will handle vlogging like a dream and will also work better for that occasional photo. Both can do it but if the doc work is more important, probably go for the FX3 and if the hybrid/do anything aspects of the camera are more important, go for the R6II
Canon cripple hammer. The S5 was $1400 with the 85mm 1.8 like a month ago and the Nikon Z6II was $1700 a month ago as well.
So you're saying a cheap car is the same as an expensive one, it's just cheaper for no reason? :) There is a reason for everything, including Canon being the most expensive, you just need to understand and learn cameras and stop comparing spec sheets.
That's called a sale...I'm sure it will happen to the R8 too in a few years lol. Those cameras obviously don't have the newest features either since they are old cameras so they lack the AF advancements and full frame 4k60 for starters
@@learningcameras this camera has no ibis and 1 card slot. I know Canon is paying you but be objective for once.
@@kifley19 I WISH I got paid for this lol. The closest camera to this is the Sony A7C which was also a single card slot and that was $2000 when it came out. Not sure what other compact camera you're comparing this to. Obviously Canon has the R6 and R6II for people (like me) who want IBIS and dual cards. Sure, I'd take IBIS and dual card slots but at the price, I wouldn't call that crippling. I actually think the 6fps in mechanical is a little slow though. Personally I don't need more but that seems more like a crippled feature
The S5 can't autofocus... who wants it! LOL. And the 4k is cropped and crippled with no 4K 60 full frame let alone oversampled. The lens selection is also terrible.
If the Canon R8 had a bigger battery that we see for the Canon R5 and R6, I'd buy the camera in a heartbeat. No ibis, no rotary dial, no joystick and one card slot I can get passed.
Cosina (Voigtlander) make an RF 50mm f1. Canon will slowly open up I would say.
Is there a video around explaining the differences of all of the RF lenses? Why but an R8 compared to the R6 or RP etc?
I don't think there is a video on RF lenses. As far as the cameras, The R6 or R6II is an upgrade to the R8 in every area unless you absolutely need the smallest/lightest camera you can get so it's just a matter of cost. If you can live without the more pro end hardware of the R6II, higher end video formats, and IBIS, the R8 gives you pretty much everything else you would need for less money. For me, I need some of the extra features of the R6II so I use that camera more
This plus the 28mm pancake…..👌👌
Great video, thanks, super useful 😊
Thanks Andy!!!
Hi, and thank you for your review! For $300 more for a new R6 (version 1) would you take that over the R8? Looking for a true hybrid camera to take on trips. FYI, I have Ronin SC I take with me on trips as well. I had a dedicated 5D iii for photos and A6400 for videos, but sold them to trade up for hybrid 😊
Thanks! So the main advantage of the R6 is hardware...things like more controls, better build, dual cards, ibis...things like that. Since you sold the other cameras and are used to cameras like the 5D, I think you might want some of those hardware features so the R6 might be a decent step up from the R8 for you
Thanks so much for your feedback- that’s what I was thinking too!
Dan, when i used the R model, i found the files’ resolution (jpeg and raw) soft. I find my r6 files show better, finer detail even though it has fewer pixels. All this probably due to the nature of the anti aliasing filters Canon applies. Heck, my apsc Nikon Z50 shows better detail then the Canon R. So when reviewing can you share your observations on the files resolution, independent of mp numbers?
Absolutely, AA filters play a role as does the quality of the sensor. Unfortunately the EOS R sensor was not the most amazing either. The R6 is the latest gen of sensor from Canon and it does have some improvements. Not massive ones but enough to notice. Lenses and accurate autofocus also make a big difference so higher resolution sensors so sometimes the reason higher megapixels don't always look as good is because the focus is ever so slightly off or the lens can't resolve that many pixels. That's why higher resolution isn't always that big of a deal depending on the sensor quality, subject, camera settings, lens, and viewing size
@@learningcameras Dan, Thanks appreciate hearing your experience on all that. Craig
prefer the r7 the speed booster gives me some very fast cheap glass
has anyone tried the r8 with the EF adapter? and has anyone come across what the slowest f stop is that AF will work in? ie. an f11 prime telephoto.
Did you ever find out?? I'm trying to mount a 200 af/2 myself
HIya! Thank you for a really informative video! As someone who very much wants to upgrade from a 70D to full frame mirrorless and has no interest in video is the R8 what would be recommended over the R6 II? Not a professional just a very avid amateur who wants to make a good long term investment in an upgrade. Thanks!
Probably the R8. Technically the R6II is better in every way but if you're not a pro, you probably don't need things like the extra battery life for long shoots, dual cards, and 12fps. I'd instead use that extra $1k for lenses and I have a list of my favorites in the description
@@learningcameras Thank you! This is excellent advice. I truly appreciate your time! 😊
8:59 Autofocus - many reviews mention that AF is very good, but all the footage I have seem makes me doubt as one can see usually struggling to keep focus and systematically loosing focus on an easy target in other reviews or videos made with the R8 .... it would be nice to have a video that either uses the AF in a reliable manner (as you mention that it is highly configurable), or that states that it is actually unreliable
So I don't have the R8 anymore but I use the R6II daily which basically has an identical AF system and I use autofocus constantly with amazing results, especially with people
Hey bro! Great video! You mentioned no record limits in video. Is that true with this model for all resolutions? On B&H they listed it has a 30min record limit. I'd consider picking one of these up as a podcast camera if it doesn't have a record limit! Thanks Dan! Love ya man!
30min rec limit in 4K 60p
Yeah, record limit is 4k60 only and I never record long format 4k60
Great review thank you!
The camera may be small, but good grief those lenses look massive on it.
Haha... I mean Canon definitely has smaller lenses than I used but the mount itself is big so all of them have a pretty big diameter
Nice images. Did you do a lot of post processing?
Just lightroom...nothing that took more than 2-3 minutes per image
DAN.......IF I ONLY SHOOT VIDEO.........would you go with the R7? or R8? I only ask because IBIS is important to me. IF YOU were buying, would you go Sony FX 30? Thanks.
Bo
If you only shoot video, I'd be more likely to get the FX30 and sacrifice full frame for some big video features
@@learningcameras Thank you buddy! I truly appreciate the response.
Lumix s5ii or s5iix would be a better choice
I wonder how third party EF lenses perform with the adapter. I thought one of the big selling points was that you could still carry over your expensive EF glass from your Canon DSLR.
Canon's adapter actually performs very well. That was a good selling point when the EOS R first launched. But it has been like 5 years and most of us want new lenses especially because autofocus systems mechanically have adapted with mirrorless cameras. The AF system on a DSLR was independent of what you saw on the viewfinder so AF motors needed to be fast and accurate but they didn't need to look pretty with how they hit the target. Since you can actually see what the AF system does on a mirrorless camera or if you actually shoot video, the AF system needs to be fast, but also fluid. As a result we've seen a move to linear focus motors. Mirrorless RF mounts also allow a lens to be more compact and they have more communication pins so there is an advantage to new native RF mount lenses. So buying 5+ year old lenses DSLR lenses that don't use any of the advantages of the RF mount and having to add size and weight with an adapter isn't as compelling these days. But it works well.
Thanks!
I have a t6 & am looking to upgrade and was leaning towards the eos 90d pricing seems the same but where would I get more bang for my buck upgrading for a new camera as I am looking at breaking in to this photography area?
Is this camera better than the 1dx mark ii ?
I wanted to buy a used 1dx mark ii for photo and video to cover weddings and other events.
I'm on the fence on these 2 cameras. I would really appreciate your professional opinion. Thanks.
Thanks for the cool video. I am doubting enormously. I started as a photographer two years ago. I now have my own photo studio. I mostly shoot portraits and fine art. I also occasionally shoot videos for companies. I have been using an a7ii on loan for the past few years. Now I want to buy my camera myself. I have a huge doubt between the R8 or R6 (not the markii) and can't make a choice after all those videos on TH-cam.
What do you think about using an EFM-adapter to the R8 combining the R8 with the Sigma 16mm f/1.4? Will that work well or is it just a bad idea?
There won't be any EF-M to RF adaptors, unless you're talking about EF-RF? The EF-M mount is too small for EF or RF cameras and the distance from lens to sensor is too different also. Basically a bigger mount or the same size mount can be adapted to smaller mounts like EF-EFM
Good video ♥but how is the fhd 180 fps quality compared to sony a7 Siii's 240 fps?
Camera Conspiracies compared them (R6II). I think the A7Siii's is a bit better but that cam costs 2x as much and 3x as much as the R8.
How is the editing of the video files? Do you still need an m1?
There is still an issue with older processors if you are shooting in Clog3 or HLG because then the files are h.265 422 which older processors didn't like. Canon doesn't allow you to chose 420 10bit like Sony does or h.264. The M1 was the first to edit those files decently but I haven't tried the latest Intel ones
@@learningcameras Thanks. So with an M1, the files will be easy to edit?
The M1 or M2 processors can edit these files without needing to use proxies
@@learningcamerasthanks!
I’ve been so tempted to switch to the R8 from my R5 for 1) low light (very slight advantage, but still an advantage), 2) size and weight, and 3) no ibis for my wide angle 15-35 lens.
Something tells me I will regret it though, especially with the new r5 updates potentially coming soon.
Just wish I could hold a smaller camera
I've seen rumors saying the R5II is delayed but potentially there could be a firmware update though I expect video to be the biggest focus
I wanted to buy this R8 but Im really curious with the effect of its first curtain / electronic shutter in strobe photography. No one demonstrate this in youtube. Does it matter if I use F1.4/1.8 + 1/8000 shutterspeed using strobe?
Hello sir,
I am confused between two cameras , canon R8 and Sony a 7iii.
I am from india and we are having a canon sale I which I can get R8 for Rs. 1 lakh , whereas 7iii is available for Rs.1.24 lakh.
I am basically hobbiest and like to take a few portraits and some videos.
My plan for lenses is 35 mm f1.8 and 85 mm f1.8.
Which do you think would be best camera for me in every respect.l?
Thank you,
Ys
I shoot motorsports photography at mostly dirt tracks and drifting events and I use a canon T7 but really want to buy this r8. Do you think this will be good for it? Also I was looking to get a 70-200 2.8
Absolutely, this will definitely be a massive upgrade from the T7 in quite a few ways. You might go through batteries faster but it only takes a few seconds to swap them out