Scott went on to write The Great American Novel The Great Gatsby, though this novel was in part inspired by Fitzgerald's real life. Things... don't end quite happily, and they didn't for Zelda either. She put in a mental institution (and her husband had a lot to do with it), where she died in fire in 1948.
Long story short, they both plagiarized each other. Zelda’s autobiographical novel save me the waltz is basically a work of plagiarism off Tender is the Night
Zelda saying he wasn’t built to make a woman happy is an absolute mood. To then find out he ran to Hemingway to see how he measured up, and then Hemingway wrote about it is killing me off
When I was 14 (and mostly stupid but maybe not) I crossed out F. Scott's name and wrote Zelda Fitzgerald on my library copy of The Great Gatsby. Then wrote "Support the right Fitzgerald" underneath it. Got fined for it, no regrets.
@@christopherbrown5409 sections of that book were her own words from her diaries and the things she said. She didn’t write the plot line, but a lot of the prose was hers.
Reminds me slightly of this excerpt from Sophia Tolstoy’s diaries. I would love a video on them! Their relationship was so messy and Tolstoy was awful to his wife who did so much labour for his writing. “I have served a genius for almost forty years. Hundreds of times I have felt my intellectual energy stir within me and all sorts of desires - a longing for education, a love of music and the arts… And time and again I have crushed and smothered these longings… Everyone asks, “But why should a worthless woman like you need an intellectual or artistic life?” To this question I can only reply: “I don’t know, but eternally suppressing it to serve a genius is a great misfortune.”
Okay but your channel makes me so happy, and I absolutely love the content you create. Also I'm thinking about the time I plagarized a poem as a third grader and read it to my mom, and she was like "Honey, you did not write that perfectly-paced sonnet about a Lorde song," and then I broke down crying and confessed that I was a hack.
5:00 ✨ zelda and f scott ran so tessa young and scott hardin could literally trip and fall face first on the dirt ✨ change my mind ✨ like can we talk about how that is literally a scene on after 2
I want to share that in 8th grade we had to dress up as a famous dead person and act like them for the entire day, and I chose Zelda Fitzgerald. The only thing I am proud of 8th grade me for doing.
Fitzgerald had a profound case of “Irish-American Dude-Bro-ism.” It’s like watching your uncles get messy drunk at the holidays and looking on in horror as your Tamagotchi is smashed to hell as they try to start a fight with your dad. I mean, carry on with the fighting; but, what the fuck my Tamagotchi.
I didnt know wed get a full video on this topic, cause seriously i believed carley when she first said F. Scott stole it from his wife. No evidence needed
Literally got tipsy the other night and did a whole monologue on this to my husband. Thing is, he hasn’t read F.Scott neither was he really interested. Guess I just wanted to educate 😂
I just read Save Me the Waltz and you're right. It is definitely not narratively strong but the incidents were very interesting. Knowing that it was written based on her life and her relationship with Scott or her affairs, made it a bit more intriguing to me.
Love the whole style of this video - this is the only way I want to get my literary tea. Would you ever do anything about the Romantics? Shelley, Byron, Keats - the whole dysfunctional gang. I feel like you would tell it so well. 🥰
Loved it!!! You should really think about making this like a minute series or something... The history or "context" behind books people may not be aware about. It's really entering and you did great at it!!!
I’m so happy your videos started popping up in my recommended feed!! I can’t believe I didn’t already know this about the Great Gatsby. I just got licensed to teach high school English, and if this is a book on the curriculum for whatever school hires me, I’m absolutely gonna pop off about this. Thank you for the knowledge 🙏
i have no words to describe how much i admire your videos, your sense of humor, your voice and like just you as a person. your channel is my literal comfort place
There was this one scene from Moxie (2021) where a BIPOC female character was all like: "Why are we still reading this book? It's written by some rich white guy about some white guy" and I legit said out loud: wdym, Zelda wrote it, it's a rich white girl.
when the video zooms in and that angled ceiling thing hits the top of the screen so the corner is level with the screen i felt really good inside. yes, i am unwell.
omg you’re such a good story teller. I hope this drama between them can be made into a movie one day.(btw you look almost identical to Fiona Apple, both of you are just stunning 🥰)
i just bought the great gatsby because you talk so much about it and made me want to read it, and now i want to read even more after this! thanks carley ❤️
They really should give credit to Zelda, seems like new editions should be printed as The Great Gatsby by Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald. Btw this one is also one of my favourite books ever! Also, loved the video ☺️
Honestly at this point I want a time machine, so I could go back seduce Zelda , marry her and do all the cooking and the cleaning and just be her little house wife. That's it.
Honestly this channel is just so fun and makes me so happy - also like legit props to you for fairly criticizing both sides and recognizing that there was a lot more going on than what “either side” would have you know. That said, I am now throughly convinced that they’re both assholes lol
long story short, the answer is yes
Scott went on to write The Great American Novel The Great Gatsby, though this novel was in part inspired by Fitzgerald's real life. Things... don't end quite happily, and they didn't for Zelda either. She put in a mental institution (and her husband had a lot to do with it), where she died in fire in 1948.
you should check out Z by therese fowler
Unfortunately, Fitzgerald was a brilliant writer and Zelda ended up as hysteriac
Long story short, they both plagiarized each other. Zelda’s autobiographical novel save me the waltz is basically a work of plagiarism off Tender is the Night
Lies.
I knew there was no way that a man wrote “I hope she’ll be a fool - thats the best thing a girl can be in the world, a beautiful little fool”
YES YES YES!
THATS FACTUAL
Especially in the 1920s!
Yes obviously😌
Agreed
the fitzgeralds deserved their own reality show they were ahead of their time😔
I think there's a series or a movie about them
keeping up with the fitzgeralds
following up with the fitzgeralds
just watch the series Z with christina ricci
Zelda saying he wasn’t built to make a woman happy is an absolute mood. To then find out he ran to Hemingway to see how he measured up, and then Hemingway wrote about it is killing me off
everything about that story is wild
omg pls do elaborate on this story
WHAT
@@ellagrundberg5496 It's actually in A Moveable Feast!
@@christopherbrown5409 “her sponsor” 🤡🤡?? You mean her husband??
Petition for Carley to cover more literature scandals like this
It wasn't a scandal. ZF was a TERRIBLE writer. Get off the bandwagon lol
"let's just say lorde could write the great gatsby but f scott fitzgerald could not write melodrama and we all know this" ok queen best intro yet
The literary tragedy here seems to be how much of a success they may have been if they had both been levelheaded and collaborated properly.
if this is how your podcast is going to be like SIGN ME IN SIS
im signing up for classic lit gossip wednesdays
here for it, would make a great series!
OH MY GOD SIGN ME UP
Dude those lost generation writers were the best for drama cause they were all 1. friends 2. absolute disasters
Zelda and Scott have the same relationship vibes as Maddy and Nate from Euphoria lmao
i was literally about to say this lmao, they would be the kind of toxic relationship ppl would glamorize
@@martinacardenas1688 omg yes, couldn’t have said it better
this is the second video where carley threatened to kill us if we're not doing well. DRINK UR VITAMIN KIDS
convincing myself that i deserve an 18 minute break after working on my final essay for 5 minutes. it’s called balance❤️
im in this comment and i dont like it
Oh my god I’ve been called out
You didn’t have to be so loud
Yas girlboss
I wish I wasn't this hard on myself 😂
✨Self-love✨
Scott Fitzgerald
Debbie Ryan hair behind ear: so what if I just stole all my wife’s quotes haha I’m so quirky
its quirky to steal✨
‘the great gatsby- zelda fitzgerald’ will be on my grave. I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL
we need this energy
you aggressively telling me to take care of myself is making me want to get out of bed for the first time in days
i love that!! take care of yourself or ELSE
Yeah your energy and vibes are just so positive and funny plus you read books , you would be my best friend if u lived here~~
Scott and zelda were a lana del rey album for sure
i just love how everytime carley mentions the great gatsby she has the need to show tyler oakley's signature
When I was 14 (and mostly stupid but maybe not) I crossed out F. Scott's name and wrote Zelda Fitzgerald on my library copy of The Great Gatsby. Then wrote "Support the right Fitzgerald" underneath it. Got fined for it, no regrets.
You go girl!
iconic
Main character vibes
Queen shit.
@@christopherbrown5409 sections of that book were her own words from her diaries and the things she said. She didn’t write the plot line, but a lot of the prose was hers.
my only personality trait since watching carely is telling people zelda desereved better and i dont know how to stop
dont stop
So basically if zelda and f scott had a healthy marriage, they may have been one of the best writer couples in history.
The one dislike is from F. Scott Fitzgerald trying to haunt you from his grave
Let us all blame F.Scott Fitzgerald for all our problems.
f scott fitzgerald had something to do with my chest bones clicking... idk how but he had something to do with it
F Scott Fitzgerald is the reason I lost my wallet. I don't have evidence, but I don't have doubts either.
F. S. Fitzgerald is the cause of my eyes rolling and shaking my head no.
@@lisacurtis8162 You mean F. F. S. Fitzgerald?
@@tamikras9927 F. Scott Fitzgerald.
Reminds me slightly of this excerpt from Sophia Tolstoy’s diaries. I would love a video on them! Their relationship was so messy and Tolstoy was awful to his wife who did so much labour for his writing.
“I have served a genius for almost forty years. Hundreds of times I have felt my intellectual energy stir within me and all sorts of desires - a longing for education, a love of music and the arts… And time and again I have crushed and smothered these longings… Everyone asks, “But why should a worthless woman like you need an intellectual or artistic life?” To this question I can only reply: “I don’t know, but eternally suppressing it to serve a genius is a great misfortune.”
Okay but your channel makes me so happy, and I absolutely love the content you create. Also I'm thinking about the time I plagarized a poem as a third grader and read it to my mom, and she was like "Honey, you did not write that perfectly-paced sonnet about a Lorde song," and then I broke down crying and confessed that I was a hack.
thank you girlboss 🥺
Mr. Fitzgerald really went silent after your videos... That's interesting.. 🤔
hmmm this is a good point
@@uncarley Tbh, F Scott was maybe jealous of Zelda. She was way ahead of her time and she was an icon and the og girlboss. As she should actually 😌
@@christopherbrown5409 maybe you don't get the reference but as you can see I'm being sarcastic :)
@@christopherbrown5409 Yes :)
5:00 ✨ zelda and f scott ran so tessa young and scott hardin could literally trip and fall face first on the dirt ✨ change my mind ✨
like can we talk about how that is literally a scene on after 2
I want to share that in 8th grade we had to dress up as a famous dead person and act like them for the entire day, and I chose Zelda Fitzgerald. The only thing I am proud of 8th grade me for doing.
Bestie Zelda is finally getting the recognition she deserves
She didn't write anything. Calm down lol
bet they were the kind of couple that everyone hates AND loves for some reason
Exactly. Like they’re fun to go out with but everything other than that, hard pass lol
@@W4TSKY yeah passionate as hell ending so suddenly
Fitzgerald had a profound case of “Irish-American Dude-Bro-ism.” It’s like watching your uncles get messy drunk at the holidays and looking on in horror as your Tamagotchi is smashed to hell as they try to start a fight with your dad. I mean, carry on with the fighting; but, what the fuck my Tamagotchi.
Probably did you a favor. Let's face it, an addiction to some Japanese robot pet isn't healthy anyway.
This is me BEGGING you to read “The Great Gatsby but Nick has a mild case of scoliosis” pls pls pls 🥺
okay i'm,,quite intrigued, mind elaborating please?-
alida • a brilliant retelling of The Great Gatsby expect it is referenced on every page that Nick had a mild case of scoliosis😂 a Masterpiece really
@@millievanillie24 oh my god lmao- where can i find it? because i kinda wanna read now-
alida • haha he’s @dickcodyheese in Tik tok! He’s also got “Moby Kevin” and “Pride and Prejudice but Mr. Darcy is a vape god” to name a few 😂
Honourable mention to “ Catcher and the rye but Holden isn’t a big poopy face”
The conclusion is clear: F. Scott's name is written in Carley's Blank Space
yes carley i’m taking care of myself i’m sorry, please don’t hit me with a car
LORD KNOWS HOW LONG I'VE WAITED FOR THIS VIDEO. I love you bestie.
You making me crack up on their "toxique" relationship is my new jam. Absolutely obsessed.
this needs to be a series i vote sylvia plath for part 2
yeah i vote too
I didnt know wed get a full video on this topic, cause seriously i believed carley when she first said F. Scott stole it from his wife. No evidence needed
i accept this fact blindly even tho ive researched it so
@@christopherbrown5409 chris, baby, you gotta chill
@@christopherbrown5409 Christopher take a joke. You guys are always so sensitive
on this episode of keeping up with the fitzgerald’s
this would make at least 3 seasons of a netflix show
this felt like a drunk history episode and i love it
im honestly living for this drama
uncarley vs. f scott is the internet beef the web needed
Literally got tipsy the other night and did a whole monologue on this to my husband. Thing is, he hasn’t read F.Scott neither was he really interested. Guess I just wanted to educate 😂
You're living my dream life
Drunk History, Reading edition?
the editing is BOMB bestie
carley’s first sponsored vid??? a girlboss moment
The references to learning html for your tumble theme, the password journal - so iconic this is why I love your channel so much.
can you do a similar video about ted hughes (derogatory) and sylvia plath
omg i would FIGHT ted hughes
put him and jane austen in same room, he couldn’t survive
Genuinely didn't know learning could be this entertaining and palatable for my attention span, officially can't wait for your podcast
I'm waiting on a fake apology video from f. scott after this informative roast!! also happy sponsorship you're a queen!!
Learning about their toxic relationship and looking at my new copy of Dear Scott, Dearest Zelda who I thought was a book of love letters.. 😳
definitely just paused the Sally Rooney playlist video the moment I got this notification
I just read Save Me the Waltz and you're right. It is definitely not narratively strong but the incidents were very interesting. Knowing that it was written based on her life and her relationship with Scott or her affairs, made it a bit more intriguing to me.
Also, Scott took portions of her doctor’s notes when Zelda was in the mental health institution for his “crazy” female lead in tender is the night
Love the whole style of this video - this is the only way I want to get my literary tea. Would you ever do anything about the Romantics? Shelley, Byron, Keats - the whole dysfunctional gang. I feel like you would tell it so well. 🥰
Zelda would one hundred percent use skillshare. She'd get premium too. F. Scott could never.
The fact that you're doing a video essay about a problematic favorite has assuaged something deep within my soul.
Loved it!!! You should really think about making this like a minute series or something... The history or "context" behind books people may not be aware about. It's really entering and you did great at it!!!
Omg am I alive or just waiting for the Taylor's Version of 1989?
Imagine this: 1989, Red and Speak Now all at once. The way I'll pass away at that exact moment.
Am I clown? Yes.
@@TalkAsSoftAsChalk We all are
I’m so happy your videos started popping up in my recommended feed!! I can’t believe I didn’t already know this about the Great Gatsby. I just got licensed to teach high school English, and if this is a book on the curriculum for whatever school hires me, I’m absolutely gonna pop off about this. Thank you for the knowledge 🙏
period cramps are killing me but this video will save me
same girlll
@@neina4484 I SWEAR IM GONNA DIE WHY THE FUCK THIS HURTS SO BAD
omg same
i've been watching ur videos for the past two hours- im addicted-
i have no words to describe how much i admire your videos, your sense of humor, your voice and like just you as a person. your channel is my literal comfort place
and i ABSOLUTELY love your content. it's so cool
OMG I made it. Hello guys. This girl is funny as heck. As a gay brown man I thank you greatly!
the Fitzgeralds are the type of couple that could have been the best duo if only they both went to theraphy
get that bread with the skillshare sponsorship bestie!
she's so proud of the joke "i'm drinking something that looks like dehydrated piss" that she already said it in two videos
i feel like you and i could not have more different book tastes...and yet...you are my new favorite booktuber?
There was this one scene from Moxie (2021) where a BIPOC female character was all like: "Why are we still reading this book? It's written by some rich white guy about some white guy" and I legit said out loud: wdym, Zelda wrote it, it's a rich white girl.
Trying to pretend i havent thought it was scott F fitz for the last 16 yrs of my life
when the video zooms in and that angled ceiling thing hits the top of the screen so the corner is level with the screen i felt really good inside. yes, i am unwell.
it's actually so fun to listen to u explain stuff, my teachers could NEVER
"It wasn't an awesome moment for our good friends the Fitzgeralds."
omg you’re such a good story teller. I hope this drama between them can be made into a movie one day.(btw you look almost identical to Fiona Apple, both of you are just stunning 🥰)
pls make more 'spilling the tea on writers' vids like this !! loved it
the TIMING of this video coming out the week i have to turn in an essay about the lost generation yessss
can we turn this into a series where you deep-dive into the bts of the books you love (or hate!)?
i'm obsessed with your intro, it brings so much joy, please never stop doing it
when you said that zelda liked inspiring f scott i was like “i bet zelda is a leo.” and she is!
So a can of Coke back then had cocaine in it....lol until about 1930, when they found out about that shit. So our girl was getting very high 😂
Love the Zelda Fitzgerald recognition, Queen deserved more 👑 We do not give F. Scott the green light of forgiveness
THIS WAS SO INTERESTING! please do more videos like this.
Zelda had such an interesting life. I can't wait until Taylor Swift writes a song about it, the last great amercian dynasty style.
i just bought the great gatsby because you talk so much about it and made me want to read it, and now i want to read even more after this! thanks carley ❤️
conspiracy theory you're a direct descendant of zelda fitzgerald
i would die
omg the password journal joke sent me
As soon as you said she would love Password Journal I subscribed
They really should give credit to Zelda, seems like new editions should be printed as The Great Gatsby by Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald. Btw this one is also one of my favourite books ever! Also, loved the video ☺️
I was literally on TH-cam looking for a video on this topic and your video just popped up. Perfect timing!
i know your channel for a couple months now and i've been wondering why this video didnt existed yet. you delivered now.
the energy you bring. i abosolutely love it
Perfect timing bc I just finished the Great Gatsby and loved it. And now i’m obsessed with this toxic couple
This is my second video, and I didn’t know you threatening to kill me would happen every time. I’m here for it. I also cannot drive for shit.
The fact that you, specifically, love The Great Gatsby is proof it is Zelda's work. Fight me, world.
Honestly at this point I want a time machine, so I could go back seduce Zelda , marry her and do all the cooking and the cleaning and just be her little house wife. That's it.
I have been absolutely vibing to your channel since I discovered it 2 days ago
I have Zelda's Biography on my shelf and now it HAS to be read asap.
Great Gatsby bores me to tears either way.
I have been WAITING for this
best friend im OBSESSED with this video. im gonna need 30 of these like genuinely!!!!
"the basic vibe is that couple at the party that is scrEAming outside and then an hour later hooking up"
Oh my goodness yes
Honestly this channel is just so fun and makes me so happy - also like legit props to you for fairly criticizing both sides and recognizing that there was a lot more going on than what “either side” would have you know. That said, I am now throughly convinced that they’re both assholes lol