Android gestures are risky, here's why
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- Android P has a new way to navigate your phone: gestures. But in the early beta they're not very good yet. In this episode of Processor, Dieter looks at why Google might have created the new system (and, yes, he breaks out his Palm Pre 3). Subscribe: goo.gl/G5RXGs
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How would you change Android's gesture system if you could? - Dieter
Miui is actually perfectly implimanted Guesture control in their phones. U guys should test it
android 9 and 8.0 must be available on every phone!
I'd hide it like iPhone does, and needs a dedicated back gesture as well as a more intuitive way to jump into the app drawer
SWIPE LEFT FOR BACK
Keep the button, maybe make it slightly longer. Swiping left would be back, swiping up would stay the same, swiping right would stay the same, swiping down would take you home. Get rid of the back button.
This is also what makes the Taptic engine so great. When I swipe up on my iPhone I get physical feedback. It's very satisfying. Anyways, really nice to see WebOS, that design was ahead of it's time.
I wonder why my iPhone 6s has no physical feedback although it has the taptic engine😞 I find it so satisfying on my friend's iphone 7
Jenison you might have it turned off. I think if you go to accessibility settings you’ll find it.
Android P Beta on the Pixel 2 now gives physical feedback when swiping down the notification shade, so Google seems to be adding physical feedback touches that are similar to iOS.
The haptic feeback on the Pixel 2 is still not as great as Apples Taptic Engine but it's one of the better haptic feedback engines for Android phones and I'm glad they are following Apple with these small details that use haptic feedback
Xavier Mathews too bad those ads were so terrible, and palm mismanaged the whole company.
Yup, Taptic on iOS makes the device feel alive and interactive. Subtle little bumps here and there and no horrid buzzes. I'm surprised no other OEM has copied it, although I hear LG has a very good implementation for the G series.
Even though i don't like iphones but have to admit gestures on iphone are way simple and clean
Tech Vortex Simple when you get used to them, but not when you are holding one for the first time.
Tech Vortex ikr. It's probably the one and only thing about the X that I actually have always liked
With Android P users will be able to decide if they want to use the new gestures, or stick to the navigation buttons that they were use to. To me this is a better implementation than Apples iPhone X. Because with that device you only have gestures and that is your only choice.
W J That's pretty much only from the home screen...
Sean Godsell idk but it’s still a option in iOS for years in accessibility virtual buttons instead a swipes
When you brought up WebOS, I literally said "Spot on bro!." Great episode, Dieter!
:D - Dieter
Dieter will always and forever be one of my favorite tech journalist. Why? Because he gets it. Dang, once I saw that Pre 3 on the table the nostalgia hit haha. So far I'm loving the gestures on my Essential, and I definitely agree with your jank statement.
This is probably the best video review on "Android P beta". Thanks to *Verge*
This might sound very weird but this is how I'd do the gestures:
Home: tap the home button
Back: swipe the home button left
Recent apps: swipe the home button right
App drawer: swipe up as normal
Switch to last app: swipe left or right from the edge of the screen (although I'm not sure if this what Apple does with it's gesture UI)
I think swiping the home button is quite fiddly, and it would just be cleaner to have 3 buttons
the biggest reason for this is the removal of buttons on phones. having an always on navigation row defeats the purpose of removing the buttons for all screen. and using swipe up to toggle navigation bar CONSTANTLY causes unintentional inputs. so that's why Google is focusing on this right now.
Split screen must be replaced with something sane gesture than swipe up go to app icon - > long press it - > select split screen.
I agree, I switched to gestures instead of buttons on my OnePlus 5t, and I miss two things.
Easy split screen, and double tap recents button to switch back one app
I do wish we had the swipe to go back so we could get rid of the navigation area all together.
Hearing Dieter talk about webOS takes me back to the PreCentral/webOS Nation days
Joshua Solis, Yes! I would visit that site all the time.
I sill go there at least once a week lol
Gestures are cool, but I still prefer the 3 software buttons just because it's faster, tap vs swipe
anyway, just because it's already good doesn't mean it can't be improved
That comment on jank is pretty spot on. Early builds of Androids didn't catch on because they were janky. Non-vanilla builds of Android was hated on because they were janky. Jank pretty much permeates throughout the history of Android. Gestures must convey a cohesive UX, and any jank will kill that immersion.
djfoo000 Project Butter (Android 4.1 Jelly Bean that's in 2012 )
Iustinian Constantinescu project butter melted ..
Why is no one talking about the resemblance of the gestures and UI to that of the Blackberry 10 OS!?
Animesh Sinha exactly my point! Both iphone and pixel are just ripping its features!
BB10 came after webOS
Ruud Kous
That is true however in my mind BB10 was much more evolved than WebOS(obviously since it came way after) and is much more comparable to the current gen of gesture based OSs.
Apart from the ‘up’ gesture, I personally don’t see much resemblance between Android P and BB10. Android P’s gestures and UI are a lot closer to webOS and also the OS on the Blackberry Playbook (because it was a shameless copy of webOS)
The Davis & Dennis Show
Point taken 😅
I really like gestures better but they’re definitely not perfect yet. I’m also surprised the back button didn’t come up at all in the video. It’s something that I really want to see as a gesture vs a button as it is now.
Yeah we cut for time, it would have added a whole nother few minutes, honestly. I think because so many Android apps use the swipe-in from the left to open the drawer, their hands were a little tied. It's possible that they could have done a webOS-style swipe-right in the gesture area, but I guess that doesn't add much? I think Android will get there (see: moving the drawer to the bottom on newer Google Android apps), but it's going to take some time. - Dieter
Yeah it would have definitely made a much longer video. I thought they could maybe do it by having you swipe the home button to the left for back. It definitely doesn't flow as well but I'm sure they'll get to it soon.
I also hope they can reduce the size of the navigation bar after they do move completely to gestures.
Get a iphone lol
Lol Sure...whenever Apple gets around to fixing notifications.
I hope they make it so you can just swipe in the bottom bar. It looks so uneven honestly.
I *almost* went and powered on my Palm Pre again Dieter, almost! God damnit, haha
Vandrefalk save it man.. Years from now you could tell your grandchildren that it is where the modern era of smartphones started.
SidewindeR well, if we talk numbers then Apple did start the modern era. That moment in 2007 when Steve Jobs announced the iPhone 2G, it was the real start of what is called Smartphones and although I'm an Android user, I have to admit that fact.
Palm pre was still the best phone I ever bought. Wish they were still around!
TCL may be revamping the Palm brand!
I am loving your videos Dieter! You get it right, your viewpoints are spot on on the stuff us geeks know. EG Jank on P being the nail in the coffin. Hope they get it right (I'm sure they will)
Best part about Dieter’s video is he doesn’t blur out the mail or any other stuffs while reviewing. Feels much more connecting.
As a former Blackberry 10 user, Gestures feel more organic and correct. I am enjoying this change. Palm and BB had it right, all along. Excited to see Android P gestures improve with future Beta's.
Just came upon this video now. Been experimenting with gestures recently. Three things: 1. I'd love to have a black bar below the keyboard in place of where the navbar used to be. 2. I'd like to have the ability to use navbar and gestures *together*, not either/or. 3. Sometimes accidentally pressing the full screen indicator hides the keyboard. Shud be a way to turn that off.
I have to say iOS gestures looks lot more refined
This is B.E.T.A LOL
It is more refined because Android is still in beta, it's improving until full release
Prathamesh Chaudhari thats becoz android is still im beta
iOS gestures are not refined, the animations are refined. iOS animations make it look smooth and easy and that's about it.
JustPlaysX
I personally thought iOS is boring. I used 3 iPhones in 5 years and I said to myself that's it. I will never buy one again ever even if somebody gives me an iPhone X, I would trade it in for a flagship Android phone
I love gesture on phone. But, the haptic feedback makes the experience totally different
I still like capacitive buttons on my Samsung, swipe will make life harder.
Fun fact is the whole screen of any iPhone from 6S onwards can do that. It’s called 3D Touch.
DerpyDoge
funny, my Note 8 without a home button works perfectly fine without these new gestures.
I love the style of these videos, the Verge has become one of my favorite places to see tech industry commentary.
You show the sliding function on the table itself, but how is it in the hand? To hold your finger at the very bottom of the screen waiting for the app sliding animation to play might not be very ergonomic, whereas for the iPhone X switching apps is just a matter of flicks.
The multitasking app cards of the iPhone X are also much closer, so to get from the 1st app to the 5th is no effort at all while the spacing on Android P looks like we need to swipe more, which is just an extra effort.
My favourite gestures are actually the 3D touch multitasking on the sides of the iPhone 7 and 8 because that's where my thumb resides
Mitchell Chew without the spacing in android, the cards won't be LIVE. That is, you can't copy and paste stuff from them idk you do have a great point though
I also love using swipe gestures in keyboard than tapping on each and every word
I am really pissed for not mentioning Sailfish OS, it feels like we Linux/GNU people gets ignored for our original innovations ...
Abhishek Mudgal but gestures of Sailfish were a lot different and it takes some time to get used to it's navigations.. though I really liked it.. it wasn't as polished
I’m not sure why Sailfish would be mentioned here tbh; it is neither all that similar to Android’s new gestures, nor was it the first. Like Android, it just sort of joined the gesture trend that has been happening over the past ten years since webOS was unveiled
The Davis & Dennis Show yes exactly.. Sailfish was more of a refined Meego OS
Faran Khan and although I did like MeeGo, even that was quite late to the party
Ubports nailed everything
That look on your face when you picked up the Pre. You never forget your first love. Golden!!
Dieter kills it as usual. Google “has to nail the animation and smoothness.” Well said Dieter. I hope all the hard work that Google’s “Project Butter” team did years ago to polish the Android UI and get it to where it is today does not go to waste.
But I gotta say...the real star of this video is the actual “video editing and graphics”. So if that was done by Garret Beard, job well done. Loved the effect at 1:28 and the concept of using a phone on the table with the different open apps overlayed on top. The set with the couch in the center was a nice touch but it was even more impressive how the space around the center (i.e. the left and right sidewalls) were used to display the two graphic images of Android and iOS. Beautiful!!
Lastly, kudos to the production team for cramming so much useful content and delivering it in a 7 minute format that did not feel rushed at all.
DanielOceanVideos I hope Google goes back to refine project butter. It was designed initially for phones with less than a half gig of ram. With these vastly more powerful devices they could dedicate more resources to it. Even on the OG Pixel I've noticed random hiccups
Years?
I've discovered that you can't quickly slide between two most recent apps or go into overview mode when you are on the Google feed to the left of you home page. Forcing you to hit the pill button then go about what you were trying to accomplish.
FINALLY a channel that actually adresses the janky animations on Android. I know it's gotten better over the years but even flagships still don't have smooth transitions, get stuck, have framerate issues. This is not acceptable anymore in 2018. If an Iphone 6 is smoother then my S9 this is clearly an issue Google has to fix. And some transitions still are really bad (text messages, keyboard pop up (and how screen above keyboard gets lifted up), url bar pop up links, google assistant word recognition etc) I really hope other channels will point this out too.
I’m an iPhone user and have been for a while, but recently I’ve found Android to be compelling in some areas. It’s a shame it’s not as smooth though. Definitely deters me from switching for now.
kizanko Yeah right, you probably used a 3 years old android and think you know it all... Not come back saying no, you use S10... 😅
That's the problem. Samsung isn't Android. If you want to experience Android as Google intended you need to try a Pixel device. You will see fluidity that rivals iOS.
There is no way an iphone 6 is a smooth as an S9 especially if it runs iOS 11.
I tested quite a few ios phones through the course of the years(6s, 7 plus, 8 plus, SE) and this hole lagginess and jankiness regarding Android is overly exaggerated. iphone 8 plus is far from perfectly smooth and yes you can see frame drops and stutter on occasions.
I used to use an htc 3 years ago and then switched to moto. The moto definitely has lasted longer and to this day performance is much better than i ever got from a tier 1 manufacturer (Sony for eg, is a joke lul) Stock android phones just do not compare with bloatware UI that companies give you. One plus may be an exception.
Matias Duarte worked on webOS. So if Android is "stealing" iOS, it's Matias who now works for Google taking back what he started originally with Palm.
stable iOS 11 still lags some time.... stillllllll. on iPhone 8(using). So please if&if you are judging the android P just think about it stills in beta form beta 3 and 4 still in the line
0:43 not sure if you are talking about the android P or just the android. Just remember, android was originally designed without any intention of running with touchscreen.
Who remember MeeGo gesture o the Nokia phone? Best gestures ever for me
Some opinion on that, would be happy if you comment:
a) Why *remove navbar buttons*:
1. Swiping gestures are more accurate (you cannot tip so easily on the wrong position)
2. Swiping gestures have the potential of reducing the navbar space to a minimum (or maybe completely?) for more screen space
3. Swiping gestures are "cooler" to use (less choppy tipping; more smooth swiping)
b) I personally *don't like the new recent apps overview*. Yes, you can use this analogy with shifting on the desk, but that doesn't make this great. The vertical overview is much better in my opinion (like a well organized document register not just some stuff on the desk), because
1. the app icon and especially the names are vertical, which is MUCH better for having an instant overview which apps are there (e.g. I also use TreeStyleTab Addon in my Desktop Browser, it gives a much better overview than the horizontal tab alignment, try yourself and use some tabs ),
2. to see more apps (not just 2) it's better to show the apps overlaid and giving the first apps more room to better see the content (but you still see what apps you can exspect "behind", better overview),
3. Moving the apps with a slider instead of directly touching and moving, how is that intuitive?
c) Why doesn't Google add *One hand mode*? E.g. like in lineageOS, it's really nice there. Smartphones are getting bigger and bigger and there are less producers of small smartphones, recently the only model is xz2 compact by sony (which camera isn't that great). I understand that a big screen is useful for many things (watching some video e.g.), but I still want a completely easy one hand usage (even if you have small hands), just bring a one hand mode for that? I find it extremely intuitive and easy to use how lineageOS implemented that. Please add that, please :).
What do you think, are there other reasons why adding swiping gestures etc.?
I'm not really into this... I prerfer the 3 buttons at the bottom.
The lg v10 did the "notch" the best. A whole section dedicated to recent apps is so nice.
You forgot it the Nokia and Meego OS.
legri love u for remembering this. It is still my favorite phone and is the PERFECT phone according to me till date. Loved the build, OS, Hardware and the brand itself. Nokia N9
FrostBug if they bring back a new version of that phone or even meego with that same build i would buy it for sure. Meego OS was slick and super smooth. Perhaps android should look up to it when it comes to transition and smoothness. Too bad Jolla failed with sailfish
Lineage OS has this cool gesture function Where you have your normal nav bar with its 3 standard buttons. And swiping left or right on it shrinks the screen down to the side you swiped. The one handed mode. Feels natural af. And is much needed on all these tall phones coming out.
When you do gestures+buttons together, you can get the most functionality from the system.
solution of janky animations - just turn off animations
That’s a really long and drawn out way of paraphrasing exactly what Apple said when they introduced them nearly a year ago.
What a word. Janky. Jank. Janky McJankface.
I'm not feeling it at all. Do you mean the naturalness of the movement (design) or stutteriness (effectiveness)? The scrolling through recent apps seems to be pushing the limits of what my thumb can do though. I like these videos, DB. Tech+philosophy. Nice! Isn't this a 'spin-off' from what you guys spoke about on the Vergecast?
If I was a gesture coder... I would have a little circle at the bottom with a little shadow over whatever you were on, but when you press it 3 other circles roll out (animation) across that side of the screen with built in options like home, back, screen recorder/screenshot, and overview. When you drug that single circle to the edge of your screen, it would become fully transparent, but you tap on that edge of the screen it rolls out into the corner of your display.
F the notch.
Bharat Kumar Gupta you don’t like having extra screen?
Vivo Apex anyone?
Carlo André Aguilar every notchless phone has a front facing camera and an earpiece
I'll take symmetrical bezels over notch any day. Rocking the 5t and won't upgrade to another one plus if the notch doesn't go away in 2 generations.
Carlo André Aguilar Notch-less phones do have front facing camera(s) and an earpiece.
Think about increasing volume and moving the video seeker from the edge with this gestures
Have you seen the gestures on miui 9.5 ? It's Android and it's natural
IB Saxena miui9 's guesture is perfect
I have! I didn't have one on hand for comparison, unfortunately. - Dieter
The Verge pls consider one soon.. And give us a comparison 🙏
mi did it better than google
Exactly what I was thinking. Been using the gestures on my mix 2 for a month now and it's safe to say I'm not going back.
The complications with Android's gestures has more to do with having a drawer. It's awkward pulling it up. If you eliminate it using Nova Launcher Prime, then it's a simple as iPhone X.
Wow. Phenomenal video! Hats off to everyone involved.
*p h e n o m e n a l*
Not having all the buttons on screen all the time also could serve to eliminate OLED burn in. Near everyone's doing OLED screens now so this may be a response to that dynamic.
Did anybody else notice a lumia...ish phone....
Abhishek B I saw the Essential phone on the table, not a Lumia
The Palm Pre was so ahead of it's time. I LOVED that phone. iOS and Android only just now catching up so many years later.
iPhone X didn’t “invent” these gestures but it perfected it
Palm’s gestures has been available for years, for Google to use it NOW right after Apple does it? That’s what we mean by “copying”
Aamir Al Amoudi My point exactly. I dont dislike iOS. My preference to really go ahead and customize my phone is why I carry an Android. Regardless of what people say, if Apple does something it shakes up the mobile phone industry within seconds and everyone follows Apple.
tuffxha brws Exactly
You do know that the UX architect and design for the Palm WebOS interface and gestures Matias Duarte is now the head of design at Google. So technically he's just taking back his idea now and re-implementing it. Even if it is in any way copying, that word is no longer relevant sa iOS is heavily based on other mobile OSes too. The idea of X is copying Y is getting old.
Exactly. I'm an Android fan myself, but it's clearly obvious that the only reason why Google is doing this is because apple has. In future thinking, Google realizes that all of the next generation of iPhones will feature this gesture based operating system. And they realized that if they want people to be comfortable with their operating system if they decide to switch, they need to have something familiar and useful. Hence the gestures. I'm considering making the jump back to iOS just because of this year. It's proven that the industry will not try to really inovate or change unless apple does it first. So iPhones now look like the first to get the great features going forward.
Gabe Was the iPhone first with copy paste, clean multi-tasking, split-screen, functional notifications, digital design? Why is it so important to the point of excluding every other exemple that does not sustain your view?
Why did they remove the shortcuts in the toggles in the notification bar? It was very useful choosing a WiFi network or connecting to a Bluetooth device without leaving that. Way easier than having to long press and be taken to the network menu options in that case.
I prefer gestures on oneplus
Yeah I use the gestures to get back the entire screen.
I prefer the fling gestures on some custom roms.
I thought I liked the buttons on the screen for my 5t, but one day I tried gestures, just to see what the experience is like. I went in expecting to hate it, but now it's all I use.
There has only been one instance where the back gesture didn't work properly.
Recording in 4K or higher quality is amazing for being able to reframe like they do at the beginning of the video.
WebOS. 'nuf said
Not gonna lie, I went back to stable 8.1 because I was getting worse battery on the P beta and I REALLY miss the gestures. They all feel so good, especially doing the quick swipe to swap between two apps. It feels far more natural, satisfying, and quicker than the double tap on the overview button
I say Google watch this video!
What I don't like a about Android gesture is that whenever we swipe for the app drawer we also show the recents app. Something which I don't want to show up all the time imo
Android looks like ios again
JACK MC ios is finally catching up to android
Well you can change that look to suit your needs on android.
I miss small empires so much. I wouldn't mind a whole season of Alex taking the baby around the country visiting day care tech companies.
The way OxygenOS does gestures on the OnePlus devices is perfect.
The only 2 things I miss is easy split screen and double tap recents to switch back one app.
I thought I would hate gestures and would switch back to buttons fast, but I enjoy it now.
Curtis Duncan 100% agree with you on the double tap. I use my phone as GPS sometimes, so when I'm at a light it's easier to double tap between nav and music than swiping. That's the only thing I miss tho.
I literally wrote an article for school on how I would design gestures on a touch interface.. basically each edge of the screen should be a gesture hotspot. Swipe up from the bottom to go home, left from the right edge to go to recents, right from the left edge to go back, and down from the top for notifications. Mind you, I thought this idea was perf even before the iPhone x came out
this is for people with the iPhone x can switch more easily to android
SMITH until Android sorts out its security and privacy issues I’m gonna switch with my iPhone X.
I think people will switch to the iPhone X after watching how painful and slow android gestures are
Cam Cam what security and privacy issue? How much is your privacy worth in this world
Swipe left on pill for back, swipe down on cards to clear all. Swipe from right side of the screen to bring up volume controls.
I feel like they didn't copy apple, they saw an idea that works and they adapted it to their os
They still haven't solved the problem of the nav buttons/icon taking up screen space. iPhone X's nav bar hardly takes up any space.
MEIZU did it much much better!
Reposting my comment from IO here....
The implementation of the gestures and navigation bar feels one foot in one foot out. I don't like that there are two ways to open the multitasking, also the swipe up for app drawer is a finicky gesture, sometimes it just opens the multitasking carousel.
I would suggest going all out on the pill like so:
Swipe LEFT on the pill for back
Swipe RIGHT on the pill for multitasking
Scrub RIGHT for quick app switching
Swipe UP on the pill for app drawer
Tap pill to go home
1) This eliminates the confusion of two methods to enter multitasking
2) The swipe right for multitasking will open the carousel (not switch to last app), retain the new scrubbing feature to give the functionality of switching between recent apps.
3) Remove the suggested apps and search from carousel as they are already accessible from swipe up for app drawer with slices too. Will clean up the carousel.
3) The swipe up for app drawer from anywhere will give quicker access to the new app slices as it is currently two swipes away. This retains the app predictions in the drawer too.
4) Saves space by having a gesture pill overlay instead of the still present nav bar.
.... And please at least give us the option to move the clock back to the right, the amount of times I glance up thinking the white text is a notification bugs me.
Heyyy love that wallpaper
Do you know where one may find it?
Adan Anwar nope I commented hoping that someome knew ahah
Felicia Shivakumar thank you very very much!
I can't find that exact one from 2:27.
Lues yeah me neither
swiping is more in google fuschia os? dont u think?
Apple : we use gesture control for our future iPhones .
Android user : that's so stupid , slow and not Intuitive
Google : android P beta is out! Gesture control is introduced
Android user: ... Wow after few weeks of using it I love it, android is the best
Gerasimos Rico said, no one ever...... look at the iPhone Fanboys making up conversations just because they have nothing to brag about
Well, you are not wrong. Android is much better than iOS, even if this time the table is turned and Android borrowed one idea from Apple and made it into a next level.
Mr. Oscar Apple does the same, they don't support the product only for a couple of years. But unlike Apple, with Android phones you have XDA and custom ROMs.
Thing is iOS will always be better than android so it’s time to just accept it lol. Plus, at least Apple support their phones for 5 years unlike Android manufactures supporting their phones for a month lol
The argument of "Android is better/worse than iOS" is completely stupid. At their core, they essentially provide the same function. Some features are done better on one OS than the other. The point is, you can choose. Some people prefer iOS and some prefer Android. Personally, I switched from iOS to Android and I love it - because it suits me. However, what suits someone changes for each individual. Telling someone their choice is wrong isn't the way to go since their choices are based on personal taste
I always make animation speed faster after enabling developer options.
lol, android is trying to be iOS :)
Filip Zeman iPhone has been stealing alot from Android for along time
Funny you should mention Android not trying to be a "Zen garden". That was the exact inspiration for the Palm Pre design.
BlackBerry 10 OS.........Ring any bell??!!!
When released, the new gesture based interface will create a big divide between the quickly updated manufacturers phones / new phones and ALL older Android devices. Could be a great upgrade cycle for OEM’s.
Apple stole the whole multitasking thing from android
They also stole the notification toggle
And if I kept mentioning things apple "stole" from android
This comment won't end
OnePlus released gestures on the OnePlus 5T, and I love them! They are very simple: you just swipe up from the middle to go home, swipe up from the middle and hold to go to your recent apps and swipe up from either side to go back! I think that they're great
it's risky because it puts apple's market shares at risk lmaooo
Apple has better gestures and implemented them before Google did....
DrMacintosh wut?
In my opinion Android's swipe between apps is better, but everything else is much better on iOS
DrMacintosh palm and blackberry did it first and did it better
Akil Fenty sure u’re using palm now 😂😂😂
my main reason to use gestures is to eliminate the softkey bar at the bottom. makes a huuuge difference for looks.
They did it because apple did it...
Dimitris Theo lol blackberry did it first fool
Apple does the job of finding underrated features from previous phones, improves them and Android follows:
-Dual cameras
-Gestures
-Fingerprint sensor
Finally Apple gets all the hate for not being first
Dimitris Theo They have been working on it since before I/O 2017.
i totally agree
Jenison HTC has dual cameras before iphone and its running android
3:30 i rarely find my self opening up the app drawer
i have everything i need on my homescreen, maybe one or two apps on the side screen to keep it clean
So it's not inspired by iOS. Not at all. Really ? Hmm 🤔
It followed the trend after iOS, but the gestures are inspired by web os, it is almost exactly the same
Sourabh S Nath agreed with you.. Apple has always followed the trend but was much better than its predecessors! And that was my point, nobody copies nobody. They're just following the trend!
aliwalyd3 lol good if you get my sarcasm! 😆
Lol you do know the head designer for Android was behind WebOS's design as well. Right? Lol Apple ripped of WebOS's gestures, Google just allowed their designer to implement them since he made them in the first place 😂
Chris Crump yeah but if Apple wouldn't have done it, Android wouldn't have done it either
But if your tactile screen is defective, swiping through a dead line might me harder than just touching buttons in a working area
The thing that worries me more, is that P is not themable (via substratum etc), so there is no way to get a dark theme at the moment...
i love the gestures,but i wish there was no on screen icon/button for gestures,just pure gestures so you could get more of the screen,i hate that little space at the bottom of the screen where the gesture icons are,i want the apps to come down on the screen all the way
Great video. You missed one thing, Google had the opportunity to remove the bottom bar and replace it with gestures just like Apple removed the home button and phone chin, or like Oneplus 6 does. But the bar is still there eating screen real state for no reason.
I hope they never get rid of the app drawer. I really like having my home screen clutter-free, and placing all the apps manually in some order on other screens is way too cumbersome.
Did this guy leave Verge? I have not seen him for a long time.
webOS had the physics of the gestures just right. On iOS, it all feels a little too bouncy and aloof, while Android feels stiff and almost forced. It’s sort of difficult to believe that even on a 500mhz Palm Pre, the swipes felt fast and so satisfyingly smooth
I don't think all of these gestures will be available on low end devices even if they run Android P.
It's resource intensive and hence goes against the idea of projects like Android Go.
So Android may shift from fragmentation of whole OS to just UI fragmentation...
swipe right (or left) for back
swipe up for home
swipe left (or right) for recents
They should make the back button a gesture & make the gesture bar transparent for more screen real estate.
In videos / games it could hide and be reactivated by swiping it up like in immersive mode with the soft keys.
It's not that android p is inspired by iPhone X gestures, but every other OEM running on Android noghut or Oreo has been supplied with gestures in 2018. Two major trends iPhone X started:
Notch
Gestures
The entire time I kept thinking "Man the Palm Pre had all this, in a cleaner form" and then boom.
God what a revolutionary OS, several years ahead of its time
Tbh the multitasking tabs look a lot like Windows Phone's
The first thing to do is eliminate that button and release that space to be part of the screen. We don't need that button, all the gestures can start outside the screen.
The funny thing is iOS implement tap and swipe like buttery smooth and swiftly, while Android feels awkward, always kind of off, too much unnecessary animation and the snap feels abrupt.