Greg, I respectfully disagree with your statement. Having the ability to quickly charge up doesn't justify Apple putting the port at the bottom. Being a Magic Mouse user myself, I have found that over time the battery gets weaker faster and thus requires more frequent top-ups. Having the charging port at such an awkward position really yields no advantages to the end user. The fact that it charges via Lightning only makes things worse, as I have far more USB-C cables lying around than Lightning ones. I appreciate that you give credit to Apple when due, but you should really call them out when they make questionable product decisions (such as these) that really brings no benefit to consumers apart from the so-called 'aesthetic' reasons.
I think it's still about practicality on Apple's side that they don't need to update tooling for an accessory. No updates on design, less money spent, more profit.
I think it provides the benefit of a port that is less likely to get stuff in it because its placed vertically vs horizontally. Thats in addition to the aesthetic point. Either way its a none issue because it can charge quickly and and last a while
@@jaylensmith6308 even with battery degradation, you still get a decent charge in a few minutes. Heck you could just charge it overnight and always have battery to spare
This channel seems to be run by the marketing department at Apple. Always has an "explanation" for the poor design choices and substandard engineering.
I don't think explaining why something is the way it is is what makes the channel bad, it's more like using the explanation as a valid reason to excuse a flaw.
The other objection I have isn't mentioned in the video. It is the fact when the actual battery does die fully you can't just keep using it as a wired mouse. It becomes useless.
Yeah, Apple just doesn't want 'peasants' who can't just buy a new apple mouse out of their pocket money using their products. Hurts their premium brand image.
Maybe that's one of the REAL reasons why Apple put the charging port on the bottom - to compel people to buy another one if the battery ever stopped holding a charge. More money for Apple that way. Sneaky.
Doesn't that completely defeats the purpose of buying a wireless mouse in the first place? I have a wireless gaming mouse because I didn't want to keep it plugged in during use. If I have to keep a wireless mouse plugged in all the time, I would have just bought a wired mouse in the first place.
@@tomackerman4089 Half in one hand half the other. Yes it's not why you bought the mouse but when the battery get's to eol which for most wireless mice i've used is around 2.5-3 years You need to either be topping it up constantly to use the thing or just have it plugged in as behavior starts to get wild or unresponsive. Really it's a stop gap solution till you can either afford a new mouse or fix it yourself.
1:43 see that right there is the difference between Steve Jobs and Tim Cook. Steve would’ve explained that on stage the same way you just did “it’s as simple as plugging it in for a bathroom break and having enough power for the rest of the work day. It almost takes that long to go digging for the double or triple A’s and shoving them into the slot!”
But tim cook sucks compared to Jobs, Steve Jobs would be pissed of with the Removal of the Headphone jack, the iPhone 5c, iOS 7 design, siri, the 700$ mac pro wheels and the 1000$ monitor.
@@LennyQUMFIF Hey, The IPhone 5c was great it did a lot of good to me and I hope they bring back its design, also Steve jobs wouldn't have hated it, he would be unpleased by it but eventually would have removed it when the IPhone x was launched.
Man, I’ve daily driven that mouse and i can tell you the charging situation is a pain in the neck. At first it is true what you say with 2 minutes of charge i would get about 3 or 4 hour of use not 9 but with time it got worse
Not to mention it is a lightning connector!! It is already bad to have it on the iPhone but on a mouse that you use on a computer that only has USB C ports. That mouse is the worst product apple has on sale right now.
"Those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use the products in the first place." No the complaints are coming from people who had an empty mouse during work hours and had so wait some time to be able to use the mouse. This video is just marketing BS.
So you might have to take a 2 minute break like twice a year if you forget to charge your mouse for months at a time and ignore the low battery warnings? OH THE HUMANITY!
@@BixbyConsequence its still a fucking premium product and the idea of not being able to use it while its charging is ridiculous lmao its not about that you can leave it in for 2 minutes its about the fact that its poorly designed at the cost of end users especially from such a huge company as apple, they have the money and the design team to put it somewhere else
@@BixbyConsequence Ahh yes, '2 minute break twice a year' when a 2 minute charge only lasts 9 hours at best. It takes 2 hours to charge to full and a full charge only lasts 6 months of moderate usage but yes, lets ignore a stupid design decision just because it doesn't happen frequently. After the initial redesign it would cost them literally nothing to put the charging port on the side like every other wireless mouse on the market. Not like the mouse laying on its side puts additional strain on the charging cable and causes it to break faster or anything, you know, the $20 custom charging cable that apple only sells unlike every other wireless device using a standard usb cable so if it breaks you just use one of those like your wireless headphone cable, your phone charging cable, wireless speaker cable, alarm clock cable. Nope, if the cable breaks you're stuck until you go to the store and spend $20 on a single wire, totally not a cash grab. Let's put the charging port on the back of the phone too so you have to awkwardly hold it if you decide to use it when charging, wouldn't want people using a wired phone... God forbid anyone have the option to turn it into a wired device if they don't want to deal with the hassle of charging it anymore, totally didn't make it like that so you're forced to buy a new mouse if you actually want a wired one cause apple totally doesn't milk their customers. Next you'll be buying bluetooth headphones/earbuds where the charging cable would stick in your ear when you try to use it, god forbid anyone have the choice to turn their device back into a wired one like every other wireless mouse on the market. You gonna buy a car where the gas door is on the bottom which forces you to flip the car over or slide under it too? Not like you have to fill gas all that often right... You crapple fanboys are so quick to defend obvious design flaws, the mouse wasn't even designed to stand on the side or upside down so you just have an awkward teeter totter, you gonna get some water glasses where the bottom is curved too so your cup just spills whenever you let it go? You only have to hold the glass for a couple minutes while you drink it right... Y'all are the biggest cult in the world but part of being is a cult is not realizing you're in a cult so enjoy your cult I guess. 🤷♂
"Those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use the product in the first place." I think this line says a lot. You can't just assume that most of the negative comments are coming from people who don't use the product. In my case, I hate the fact that I can't charge the mouse while using it - especially since it doesn't warn me that the battery is low until I have no choice but to stop what I'm doing and charge it. It's okay to admit that sometimes Apple makes bad design choices.
And just because we don't use it does not mean our opinions on it are valueless. From an ergonomics viewpoint, we generally know what works and what doesn't, and well... Magic Mouse ain't it... and from a usability perspective, just where it the charging port is tells me everything I need to know about what Apple was thinking about when designing it... Prioritizing form over function gets you pure garbage nine times out ten.
Seriously, this man also can prove the worst products of apple as best. Supporting anti user decisions as master plan is a sin. This includes selling e waste in the name of environment, earpods, entire apple line up. Including the creator.
Please if you can’t deal with having to charge a mouse overnight once every couple of months then perhaps you just shouldn’t have a wireless mouse at all it’s really not that hard people will complain about anything
@@Kazuny But here’s a wonderful thing if it’s uncomfortable you don’t like it don’t use it there are literally thousands of other mice you can buy Not hard I don’t know why people like you seem to think when you come up with an opinion that that’s everybody else’s opinion because it’s not if it doesn’t work for you get something else it’s not hard companies are going to build something that is going to be comfortable in that most people will use not just pay this guy doesn’t like this way so let’s build a completely his way not how it works
@@aaronlimitless just open your eyes. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks that. Also.the charging port isn't an opinion, that's just a fact. A mouse you can use while charging is objectively better than one that can't. People have a right to complain about shit that doesn't make sense and they should. Of course they're not gonna change things for a specific customer needs but if there are more customers that want that one feature or problem solved how is apple supposed to know if people don't complain? What we should just act as if a flawed product is perfect and expect it to be fixed magically? That's just dumb.
@@Kazuny because a whole bunch of people complain doesn’t mean that it’s a flawed product or let alone an issue no matter what product you make if it is sold by the millions they are going to be people that complain simple as that. It has never been an issue using the mouse and I use my iMac for about 3 to 5 hours every single day seven days a week and it’s never been a problem if it was a big enough of a problem it would be changed hence why it still is here years later people will complain about anything. Again if you don’t like it BUY A DIFFERENT MOUSE PROBLEM SOLVED!
I actually have a guess of why Maybe they didn’t assume people would try to use it while it was charging and decided to save power by disabling it. Also I ruined my nice old gaming laptop by always using it while charging for turbo mode. It literally doesn’t last 1-7 seconds unplugged and even if you plug it in immediately after turning it on it still shuts down.
If the speed at which it charges is so good to have with a port on the bottom, then imagine how much BETTER that would be combined with a port on the front. They are using a feature to solve a problem they caused, not to improve the product.
And what about the other way around? Do Apple people also use other companies tech that they’re criticizing? I always see people switching from 200€ android phones to 1.000€ iPhones, telling everybody that iPhones are soooo much better, however they never tried 1.000€ android phones. Same with laptops. Going from 400€ Acer notebooks to 2000€ MacBooks. However they should compare their 2000€ MacBook with a 2000€ surface laptop instead.
@@aid0nex No since they can be the other way round, like android is cheaper and bla bla bla apple devices are soooo expensive, that is just how people think and you can’t deny nor control it.
@@aid0nex fun fact The cheapest apple phone has more power than the best android phone Edit: i don’t use apple i have an android, but you have to respect apples top notch quality
This channel is normally pretty good at providing an insight into Apple's thinking, but I have to say that this particular video just comes off as making excuses for a poor choice on Apple's part. Basically, there are no advantages to this design and obvious disadvantages, no excuse for it.
Look, I'm not an Apple user and this channel gets me interested in their products a lot and I think this video has done a great job at its purpose, explaining. However, the product itself is still questionable at best. Even if the need to charge it rarely comes up, it doesn't change the fact that it's still objectively awkward to charge.
“These complaints are coming from people who don’t even use the product in the first place.” Your point about it being awkward to charge? It’s two minutes, not a big deal? lol
@@benjiforster5531 The issue comes up rarely and it's a minor issue, yes, but it's still unnecessarily and objectively awkward. The point is that it's unnecessary and nothing else.
@@Isopropyl_Alcohol I get your point it can be unnecessary, but then again what’s the point of changing a design that works? “Don’t fix something that isn’t broken.”
But you don’t charge it that much. That’s why is not a big deal! I have the Magic Mouse, for like 6 months now. I’m a designer and I use it daily. I’m not lying when I tell you that I have charged it exactly 5 times. No more than that. It could,ve been just 4 but I like to charge it when I notice that is running low. Believe me that using the mouse the last thing to worry about is the charging
The mouse stays charged for months, and Mac will send you a notification well before it actually dies. There’s never a problem with having to charge the Magic Mouse while needing to use it.
i don’t normally comment, but the ending bothered me, as someone who uses every apple product under the rainbow daily for work, i have NEVER once gotten either my home office or office office magic mouse to charge to a usable amount in under 30 minutes. Not once, it’s very noticeable because of that… BUT in defense it normally lasts a very long time on a full charge! but let me add my apple pencils are the same way, 15 seconds my butt! it has to be connect MINIMUM 15 minutes, or you’re going to lose connection FAST. but again, the battery life is great when it’s fully charged. (also let me add, those charging times aren’t that bad imo, just nowhere near as good as this video portrays them)
The point is it might not last as long under very extreme conditions but in general if you plug the mouse in for example every month let’s just say you should never ever have an issue with not being able to get through a full work session even if it’s like let’s say at 12 hours straight work session same with the Apple Pencil you should be able to forget to put it back on your iPad for a week and still have juice left if you need to use it which with Apple products that is very true it is very rare that I actually have any of those devices dead and if so it’s because I haven’t touch the pencil in three months it hasn’t been attached and I used it or something otherwise I’ve never had an issue I want to twice the mouse was dead and I just flip it over plugged it in went to grab something to drink or eat came back in 10 minutes and was able to get through my three or 4 hour session no problem before I was done with it for the day and let it charge overnight literally is never an issue people will just complain to complain every product has a downfall regular batteries you have to make sure you always have them in stock and then take them out swap them out etc. sure might give you a Instagram vacation but you’re still gonna have to change them and make sure you’re always stocked up on hand wired again never have to charge it but aesthetically not as pleasing to the eye for most etc.
"Those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use the products in the first place" Well I don't use it because it's a stupid product. There are 483537562 mice with cables on front, some of them as thin as apple's mouse. They could have easily done this. They just decided to make sure people don't use it plugged in. As simple as that. A keyboard doesn't really lose it's magic when plugged in, but a mouse does. Also 9 hours is pathetic even if charged in 2 minutes. Total capacity is 1 month and you have to charge it like charging a phone. That's just one more thing to remember. I am using a logitech G305 which is a small wireless gaming mouse that lasts me literally a year on high performance mode with infinitely higher precision and poll rate than apple's mouse, and it doesn't have a stupid charging port at the bottom
I use the magic mouse every day and its great until you have to charge it... It doesn't matter that it does it quickly it forces your work flow to come to a very abrupt halt and its annoying asf
To be fair, the video’s right. The same would happen if batteries died. It’s the downside to running anything on batteries- they’ll die at the most inconvenient time. Although, I think the first part of the video is 100% why Apple put the port on the bottom- they don’t want people using it wired.
@@lorzo2 my battery is currently down to 12 % and i honestly can't remember the last time I charged it, but i use my computer each day for at least 10hours. So, no it doesn't last only 2 days and unless the Mac informs me that my battery is below 5% i don't even really consider charging it, and even than i would finish my working day :)
Most likely not, but I have an friend with an iPad Pro (2019) and an an Apple Pencil 2.gen. His iPad has now black dots and and an bump where the Apple Pencil was holding.same with the Apple Pencil.
I was never a fan of Apple. In fact I previously had make fun of Apple. Due to work, I have been using Apple product for work. I agree 100%, the complaint mainly comes from people who don’t use Apple product, Apple product make sense when you use it, simple as that. You don’t get the best feature, the best ergonomic, best battery, but what you have simply works. I use basically the whole Apple ecosystem, it’s not the best, there are things that can be done better. But what you have across all of Apple product is, consistency in ui and quality, again not the best quality but consistence good quality across all of Apple product. Can you say the same thing with other brand ?
Hm… I watched some of the videos. Some of them make sense. Some of them, to be honest look like an attempt to make Apple look good about items competitors are making better. I think it is a good and healthy attitude to introduce some criticism regarding apple’s actions/decisions/solutions
This is an old comment but I bought an iMac in 2015 and was given the choice of a wired mouse, which I went for because I didn't want to need to charge my mouse in the middle of work
Imagine a world where you had superior standardized replaceable batteries (that can be rechargable also), and decided to replace them an inferior integrated system that interrupts your workflow
This is the most ridicilus explanation i ever heard. They had to „redesign“ the mouse by removing the door and adding the port. The position of the port has nothing to do with the internal placement of the battery. Youre not directly plugging into the battery. It has to do with the design, but not as you explained it. I think it has to do with the touch surface, when the port is on the front they have to make a cutout in it for the port and they didnt want that. But anyway i avoided the stupid and expensive magicmouse and keyboard and went for a logitech mx mac keyboard and a mx master 3 mouse. They are cheaper and just better devices….
@@jackverstraate I have a Magic Mouse, Magic Trackpad and a few gaming mice (Razer Viper, Logitech G Pro Wireless Superlight, Razer Viper Mini, Logitech G203, Logitech G Pro, to name a few). The Magic Mouse consistently provided the worst Mac experience of all, while the Magic Trackpad was the best (mostly because it can side scroll and allow for gestures just like the Magic Mouse, without any of the pitfalls it provides)
The glossy part that you touch curves all the way over the edge and there is physically no space to place a port there, and they likely didn’t want to spend the r&d on fully redesigning the mouse. I know, a strange decision and I also don’t love using this mouse in the first place as I much prefer a trackpad or an actual mouse, not this weird hybrid, but the charging port thing is really such an odd bone to pick when it really doesn’t matter at all given how quickly it charges and there are a million more important criticisms of this mouse than that non issue.
As a user, I can confirm Greg's point. Plugging the mouse shortly while taking a break can make it last for the rest of the day, while plugging it in during the lunch break can charge it to almost full capacity. Also, Magic Mice come with incredibly powerful batteries for such tiny devices. I've been using mine for five years now, and even though the battery has obviously degraded it still lasts months on one charge. The mouse itself is probably going to fail first before I need to consider replacing it due to insufficient battery life, and it's going to be years.
until you run out of battery at a critical moment in time and you need access to your computer quickly. The 2 min charge applies only when the battery just lost charge moments ago. I went on vacation for 1 month, the mouse discharged and it took a full hour to get it back in. That full hour, i couldnt use my computer, and i really needed it. It is a reliability issue, the moment you need it the most it dies and you have to wait. They should put the port on the side so you can use it while charging
I really like the last line, "those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use it". Simply, showing he's Apple fanboy and roasting other users apart from Mac or Apple.
I was in the process of submitting my final thesis at 11:58pm when the mouse died from a full day of research but instead of “plug n play” option of use while charging I instead had to charge it for 1 minute in not usable state and missed the 11:59pm deadline. I failed the course.
The battery of the mouse, in my case, lasts much longer as at the magic trackpad, so recharge is not an issue for me. Adding wireless charging (as they did with Airpods pro) to the mouse would make it more convenient.
I like that idea but that would be an extra device sitting on top of your desk, Apple always strives for simplicity and cleanliness. I love my magic mouse and I don't see a problem leaving it charging overnight.
@@ecu8r Having a mouse upside down on my desk with a cable getting out of its guts is the most "non apple" and "non clean" thing I can think of, even if it happens overnight :D
@@ecu8r simplicity? Apple is the same company that uses type c in their tablets and laptops but uses proprietary charing port for their phones which is more fragile than type C. Are you sure? Wouldn't a company want to cause their customers as little inconvenience as possible by allowing them to having carry just one cable for charging all their devices.
There is another major reason. The lightning cable isn't tearproof (and making it tearproof would make it ugly). Having the people use the mouse when plugged in would result in significant tear.
@@orvvro It most probably did. They couldn’t make a different lightning connecter for the mouse because some people would still use their iPhone’s connector (if they lost the mouse’s wire or it stops working) which isn’t tearproof. It’s obvious that they deliberately made it so that people don’t use it when plugged in. It’s been so many years and there’s also been another iteration since (magic mouse 3). They didn’t just leave it as is because they didn’t feel like redesigning. It would take minimal effort to redesign something that simple.
Greg, thanks for your channel and your great explanations. I really appreciate it and find it stunning what you find out sometimes. But as a UX Designer myself I think in this case you might be not quite right. I think the aspect that is it is a much greater experience to use it without a cable is a very strong point here. And I could imagine really good that Apple wanted to force people to have this cable-less experience. Because it is very different from the experience you have with the keyboard or the trackpad. Because you simply don’t move these two normally and so the cable can’t bother you really. But well, just my Opinion on this topic, anyway keep up the very good and inspiring work! Already looking forward to the next video✌️🙂
I have the black Magic Mouse and it’s by far my favorite mouse, it looks so cool, it connects directly through the Bluetooth menu, I will admit I found it uncomfortable at first but now I’m used to it and other mice seem strange. And I think I’ve had to charge it like 3 times and I’ve had it for like 6 months…
As someone who has been using various mice for multimedia creation over decades - this is straight up one of the most horrid mice ever designed. This is a perfect example of apple completely going against their "user experience first" approach and prioritizing nothing more than aesthetics. I would rather use a bottom of the range mini laptop wired mouse than that pancake.
This explanation sounds more like defending Apples dumb mistakes. If some functionality like quick charging is "Good Enough" doesn't mean you can take away a such a simple easy great feature. Only true Apple Fanboys will agree to the explanation given in the video. No offense: This is just constructive criticism
Ah. This is a useful explanation. I wish Apple said something like this. I feel Steve Jobs would explain things like this in a keynote so you weren’t left flabbergasted, annoyed and frustrated. Thanks so much for this explanation.
@@wta1518 LOL. Well, there's always idiotic decisions even in the best of products, it's almost impossible to make a 'perfect product' that's perfect for every customer. Sharing the thinking about design decisions really helps understand and choose whether the product is right for you :)
@@anubhav9000 or you can have fucking common sense to not have the port on the bottom. But given that you're an apple user it's natural that your brain isn't working at all
Even when you explain it, it still remains a terrible excuse. And as you explained it, it is a flaw rather than a feature, the quick charging is covering up the fact of unusability while charging.
With many things apple. There is always a reason. Personally i have never found the magic mouse to be comfortable at all to use regardless of where it is charged from. I use a logitech mouse on my mac.
Indeed. It was designed for people with finger tip grip style, not very comfy for other grip style and the gloss surface makes multi finger gestures difficult as a result because there is no way to keep the mouse in place with thumb and pinky while performing these gestures. Its clearly form over function.
I could imagine that charging it with a lightning cable while using a mouse would be a problem the cable that you don't have with a keyboard which doesn't move.
Yeeea if only battery longevity relied solely on amount of hours it spent working and didn't include the actual charging cycles, which is one of the reasons why usually it is better to charge the thing fully at once rather than in short bursts... So I think the situation about people complains is pretty justified. Who in the right mind would want to buy a product that gives more questions about itself than answers.
I do use this product & still think it's an issue. Fast charging or not, it's the lazy way out when a simple board redesign would eliminate end-user headache.
They are prioritizing the looks of their computers over functionality. It's irrelevant whether the mouse can be charged quickly or whether the battery lasts a lot. Recently they seemed to have changed that slightly considering the new macbook is a bit thicker and drops the touch bar.
The charging port could easily be moved to the left or right side of the mouse. And mouse functionality could easily be enabled during charging. This is just a "We're Apple and we know better" mentality.
Solution: place the transformer in the same location but before converting it, take the pure raw power from the cable and just use basically an extension cord. Modern technology would likely allow the components to shrink to fit such a cable and I think the best part of all to me is how apple called their mouse “loved by customers” which is such a good joke
They know what the solution is. They just want you to buy another one as backup and keep buying new ones when the battery degrades, since you can't use it wired as a last resource.
The real thing is, every time you plug any rechargeable device to charge, the lifespan of it's battery is reduced... Let's say you plug it to charge for couple of minutes, and at the end of the day you plug to fully charge over night.... it's just like you have wasted 2 fully charges attempt... They did that to force the user to reduce the battery's life, so they will need to replace it sooner... it's about money $$!
Greg, this video made me laugh. Because I agree with you. I use the Magic Mouse and Keyboard all the time. They are wonderful devices and I have noticed that charging them is a simple break or over night process. Thank you for this input and see you in the next one.
Exactly! haters will always look for small things to put Apple down but the fact is the mouse stays on several days. I still use my battery swappable magic mouse that came with my iMac 2013, I bought extra batteries and keep them charged all the time. Do people really complicate their lives this much?
@@WarriorsPhoto Yes sir, I bought it refurbished in 2015, opened it up and upgraded to SSD 1TB drive and still works great. I'm waiting to see what Apple will have in 2022 to replace the 27" iMac and saving up for it.
It’s still odd that the Magic Mouse has yet to undergo any sort of re-design since it was first introduced (beyond going to rechargeable batteries). I always found the ergonomics of it a bit awkward. Alas, I’m a trackpad guy, so if mouse lovers still love it, so be it.
Mouse lovers hate it tho, very few people use it often without getting carpal tunnel syndrome. only people using it are those who dont wanna spend money on a normal or vertical mouse
Not a valid explanation. I use the mouse and to charge it at the bottom , it’s a hassle. Not every human are meant to be the same. We tend to forget things like charging the mouse so we use and charge instead to ensure that it can hold charges in the future while our work is being done . And if that’s not an issue, why do still people complain ? I rather switch to something else soon .
You’re wrong those complaints come from people that actually do use the product but the biggest issue is I had no idea that only two minutes would give you nine hours of charge most of us think that we need to wait until the devices charged up fully or semi folding because that’s how most other products work
This guy will never speak one bad line about Apple no matter what they do. They charge nearly $80 for a piece of PCB and plastic. You could *at least* of thought of a better place to put a charging port for this. Even better create a descrete keyboard and mouse combo mat that will charge both wirelessly while resting on the mat (Yes, these QI wireless charging was a thing back in 2009). It doesn't matter if it's 2 minutes of charging or 1 it's an inconvenience and anyone with a straight mind knows this is stupid. "These companies are coming for people who don't even use the product in the first place" - Then explain to me how ppl like Linus Tech Tips who spend their entire life reviewing this stuff said its a load of bs?!
Hey, I have some issues with this explanation. I get that it takes money in r&d and tooling to significantly alter the design of a product, but there is indeed an issue I would like for you to have mentioned. And that is the fact that batteries degrade with time, it's a fundamental property of rechargeable cells. Let's say I upgrade on a less frequent basis than most, say every 6-7 years. I'm fairly certain that the magic mouse won't keep its endurance that long, so unless I buy newer ones get the battery replaced, I cannot use it. I believe I'd be able to had the carge port been parallel to the ground. This would force me to spend more on a mouse that's fundamentally fine, and I don't that's a good time
The maximum capacity of the battery will degrade, recharge will not. Lets say the battery capacity falls from 100% to 60%, after 5 years. Full battery of those mice lasted for 30 days, so even with a degrated battery you can still charge it for 2 mins and get 9 hours. A degrated battery has nothing to with the 2 min charge.A degrated battery does not cause issues with the charging time to the current battery capacity level. A degrated battery will only lower battery life.
They took away functionality in case people got the mouse confused with something else? What is this cope? If Apple didn't see this design as an issue, then they obviously didn't test the mouse, did they? I think the worst thing for me is how horrible it is to use, this thing deserves a redesign, and Apple deserve to be held accountable for terrible design practices, instead of finding ways to rationalize terrible, terrible decisions. They're a multi-million dollar company for crying out loud, the bar should not be tripped over this easily.
I love how this guy can always turn Big A's stupid design to become one exceptionally genius design that no one else can think of.. I'd be very eager to have him on our marketing team so that all our bugs and flaws can be turned instantly into indigenous features! 😂😂
Although he’s probably a fan of the company, he doesn’t seem to put many personal opinions in his videos. He presents the facts and let’s you decide what to make of it. People do the exact same things for other companies.
Apple explained = clutching on straws to explain the dumbest apple design choices. What if i am in a meeting and my mouse runs out of battery? I know that Apple is a small indie company, but it does not cost much engineering resources to move the port on the front an run some wires till the battery location
It's probably also that they don't want the lightning cable to wear out. Moving the mouse back and forth is hard on the port and cable. They could get around this by using a trident design (cable in the center and plastic re-enforcements on either side) but Apple doesn't like throwing off the A E S T H E T I C.
I still use the old style magic mouse and keyboard. The difference is got AA rechargeable batteries. My problems are solved. And it won't be ewaste when I can easily replace the batteries! Let's go Green 🍏
Rechargeable AAs are seriously underrated. Like, good ones can last well up to a decade with basically no capacity drop and are pretty recyclable when they finally die.
@@LennyQUMFIF yeah, I have really old Xbox controllers that are still going strong. But PS3/4 controllers that are on the brink of death because of the crappy built in batteries :/
@@LennyQUMFIF Did you know that we have the technology to warn people a while in advance that their device is low on battery? Of all the apple products it's the one you have to charge the least often and charges the fastest. If it fails on you at an important time it's entirely your fault.
Simple, be a gamer. You need the mouse all the time and with more than a 1 button mouse. I understand a 1 button mouse for reading documents and programmers, butt us gamers, nope. I'm a fan of tons of other "I - products" but never the 1 button mouse.
say whatever you want, it's still criminal that they were too lazy to design this in a more user-friendly way. Too hard to redesign a mouse? Dell probably makes 2 new mouse designs in a year. It's a mouse, not a nuclear reactor. Apple's most obnoxious failing is their refusal to redesign things when realities change. iMac - designed for spinning disks, sold until this year with terrible thermals but a big hole inside where 3.5" hard drives used to go. Mouse - designed for AAs and with no vertical surfaces a charging port might go Desktop computers - post 2003 (G5 case, recycled as Mac Pro) Apple made only 3 new case designs. Mac Mini, Shorter Mac Mini, Trash Can Mac Pro, and $10,000 Mac Pro. Meanwhile every other PC manufacturer made dozens of cases to meet various needs during that time.
@@champion1859 It's not healthy to be angry about the design of a product you don't use. It's the last point of the video and I can confirm it's the case because if you read any reddit thread about it, it's painfully obvious that they don't know anything about how the mouse works, how long it lasts, how fast it charges and whether or not you're warned about it being low on battery. It's just a circlejerk like hating pineapple on pizza or the word "moist".
To be honest, I think the Magic Mouse is literally the worst designed Apple product right now. Even ergonomically it's a nightmare. Apple should redesign it, to be more inline with the MX Master series from Logitech. And yes, I do have and use a Magic Mouse (and an MX Master)
It would be awesome if they just made a new mouse with useable tracking and usb charging and regardless of the theories in this video it would still make much more sense to put the charger into a normal place. Oh and give it an actual ergonomic shape. I really tried loving it because I'm heavily invested in the apple ecosystem and I love apple products but their mouse is just utter garbage it has very slow and inaccurate tracking, it's very unergonomic and uncomfortable to use , lighting should fuck off and come included with usb c. Other then the fact that it's really beautiful and elegant it's a piece of shit product. I bought the Logitech mx anywhere 3 and while it doesn't feel as nice and doesn't look as stylish, it's a hundred times more useable.
I appreciate the effort to justify this, but at the end, it just came out as Apple just doesn't care enough to redesign the product since they know that most of the people who buys their products (i.e. the people who use these products) will still buy the mouse regardless of the inconvenience, because ecosystem.
"those complaints are coming from people who don't even use the product" Greg, people don't use it, because they complain about it. Apple went lazy with this product. It doesn't matter if you can have it plugged for just two minutes, it just looks stupid. Imagine having a power socket in the ceiling.
Sorry to say it like this, but I don't care how little time it takes for it to charge. IT'S STILL A BAD DESING I'm a Qualified electrician, and there is NO way that you can tell me that it is IMPOSIBLE to put the charging port at the top, WHERE EVERY MOUSE CABLE ONCE WAS, and internally wire it to the battery. Also have you ever seen the Angry German Kid. I'M ALSO GERMAN AND I DON'T WANT TO WAIT 2 MINUTES TO PLAY UNREAL TURNEMENT!!!!
From design standpoint, it’s dumb af seriously. And I’m an Apple user and still uses the 1st gen MM with AA batteries. Mouse is great just not for people with super huge big palm.
apple designed it as most mice were designed back then. that ended up causing them to have to put the charging port in the bottom but they didn't change the design because they didn't think it would be a problem, since it takes about 2 minutes of charge for 9 hours of battery, and a full battery lasts about a month. and that's why... apple is still stupid
Personally, I prefer the Magic Trackpad over the mouse due to the ergonomics. While portability is better with the mouse, the gesture support on the trackpad absolutely smokes it. To each their own, though 🤷♂️
While I'm a well known anti-mac person despite learning to program on the apple 2 and 2e back in the late 90's, I still object to apple's more recent attitude of form before function. This speaks of design laziness more than anything, and that bugs me. this also means that in critical infrastructure, I'm going to use a wired USB mouse or not an apple, as 2 minutes in an industrial process environment could be costly in a number of ways. I have grown up in, and worked in, environments where little things like this can become the final link in the chain of disaster, and therefore I have little tolerance of it.
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Ignore this questionable design choice with the charger, this is still like the most unergonomic and fiddly mouse I‘ve had to work with
I love most Apple products. But I borrowed someone’s magic mouse for 5 minutes and knew I would never get one. It’s ridiculously uncomfortable to use
Now that is a valid complaint. They're far too slim for my liking.
well i have one, and i love it.
@@gcflowers86 Same here. I didn't really like it at first, but after getting used to the MagicMouse I find other mice too bulky for my liking.
It is all down to personal preference.
"Apple didn't see this as an issue."
Correct. And therein lies their mistake. Good explanation.
It isn’t an issue.
@@coprographia and there is your mistake
Greg, I respectfully disagree with your statement. Having the ability to quickly charge up doesn't justify Apple putting the port at the bottom. Being a Magic Mouse user myself, I have found that over time the battery gets weaker faster and thus requires more frequent top-ups. Having the charging port at such an awkward position really yields no advantages to the end user. The fact that it charges via Lightning only makes things worse, as I have far more USB-C cables lying around than Lightning ones. I appreciate that you give credit to Apple when due, but you should really call them out when they make questionable product decisions (such as these) that really brings no benefit to consumers apart from the so-called 'aesthetic' reasons.
I think it's still about practicality on Apple's side that they don't need to update tooling for an accessory. No updates on design, less money spent, more profit.
I think it provides the benefit of a port that is less likely to get stuff in it because its placed vertically vs horizontally. Thats in addition to the aesthetic point. Either way its a none issue because it can charge quickly and and last a while
@@chidorirasenganz charge last but batteries sometimes don’t. So that’s what I believe they’re saying.
@@jaylensmith6308 even with battery degradation, you still get a decent charge in a few minutes. Heck you could just charge it overnight and always have battery to spare
As the first reply said: Apple saw no need to redesign the mouse, literally less money to come out of their pockets.
This channel seems to be run by the marketing department at Apple. Always has an "explanation" for the poor design choices and substandard engineering.
G.E.T. L.O.S.T.
@@telsonthomas6942 had your feelings hurt? Lol
I don't think explaining why something is the way it is is what makes the channel bad, it's more like using the explanation as a valid reason to excuse a flaw.
@@anecro He said complaints are from the users who don't even use this product....this is sheep mentality right there..
Found the apple engineer
Apple: makes mistakes or design flaws
Apple explained: NONONO it's okay you did nothing wrong..
The fuck ????
@@Lehsah2021 ???
coment i was looking for in 10 videos!
true lol
Exactly
The other objection I have isn't mentioned in the video. It is the fact when the actual battery does die fully you can't just keep using it as a wired mouse. It becomes useless.
Yeah, Apple just doesn't want 'peasants' who can't just buy a new apple mouse out of their pocket money using their products. Hurts their premium brand image.
Maybe that's one of the REAL reasons why Apple put the charging port on the bottom - to compel people to buy another one if the battery ever stopped holding a charge. More money for Apple that way. Sneaky.
Doesn't that completely defeats the purpose of buying a wireless mouse in the first place? I have a wireless gaming mouse because I didn't want to keep it plugged in during use. If I have to keep a wireless mouse plugged in all the time, I would have just bought a wired mouse in the first place.
@@tomackerman4089 Half in one hand half the other. Yes it's not why you bought the mouse but when the battery get's to eol which for most wireless mice i've used is around 2.5-3 years You need to either be topping it up constantly to use the thing or just have it plugged in as behavior starts to get wild or unresponsive. Really it's a stop gap solution till you can either afford a new mouse or fix it yourself.
“You can’t just use it as a wireless mouse” then just get a wired mouse? I don’t understand the objection
1:43 see that right there is the difference between Steve Jobs and Tim Cook. Steve would’ve explained that on stage the same way you just did “it’s as simple as plugging it in for a bathroom break and having enough power for the rest of the work day. It almost takes that long to go digging for the double or triple A’s and shoving them into the slot!”
Wow, good thought
But tim cook sucks compared to Jobs, Steve Jobs would be pissed of with the Removal of the Headphone jack, the iPhone 5c, iOS 7 design, siri, the 700$ mac pro wheels and the 1000$ monitor.
@@LennyQUMFIF Are we sure?
@@LennyQUMFIF did you work with him to know all of that?
@@LennyQUMFIF Hey, The IPhone 5c was great it did a lot of good to me and I hope they bring back its design, also Steve jobs wouldn't have hated it, he would be unpleased by it but eventually would have removed it when the IPhone x was launched.
I love the mental athletics some (not all) Apple users go through to justify stupidity of some Apple's design choices.
Completely agree. I love the Apple Magic Mouse. That's why I still use the first generation with replacable battaries 10 years on.
Apple explained!
Random questions yet interesting to watch
Yeah I agree. Do you like his new format?
I think its getting to more 'irrelevant questions'
@@WarriorsPhoto yes
Inresting*
@@WarriorsPhoto idk but I love it
"it charges fast, so it doesn't matter that the charging port is at the worst possible location", well that's a new logic
Man, I’ve daily driven that mouse and i can tell you the charging situation is a pain in the neck. At first it is true what you say with 2 minutes of charge i would get about 3 or 4 hour of use not 9 but with time it got worse
Not to mention it is a lightning connector!!
It is already bad to have it on the iPhone but on a mouse that you use on a computer that only has USB C ports.
That mouse is the worst product apple has on sale right now.
You might think that it got worse but there's no way battery got any worse since new.
@@dkdanis1340 you may want to read about degradation of Li ion Batteries.
@@dkdanis1340 Lithium ion cells degrade over time
I'm still using the AA version of the mouse and I keep several rechargeable AA batteries so I can swap them out; the best of both worlds.
"Those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use the products in the first place."
No the complaints are coming from people who had an empty mouse during work hours and had so wait some time to be able to use the mouse. This video is just marketing BS.
So you might have to take a 2 minute break like twice a year if you forget to charge your mouse for months at a time and ignore the low battery warnings? OH THE HUMANITY!
@@BixbyConsequence its still a fucking premium product and the idea of not being able to use it while its charging is ridiculous lmao its not about that you can leave it in for 2 minutes its about the fact that its poorly designed at the cost of end users especially from such a huge company as apple, they have the money and the design team to put it somewhere else
@@BixbyConsequence apple employee spotted
@@BixbyConsequence Ahh yes, '2 minute break twice a year' when a 2 minute charge only lasts 9 hours at best. It takes 2 hours to charge to full and a full charge only lasts 6 months of moderate usage but yes, lets ignore a stupid design decision just because it doesn't happen frequently. After the initial redesign it would cost them literally nothing to put the charging port on the side like every other wireless mouse on the market.
Not like the mouse laying on its side puts additional strain on the charging cable and causes it to break faster or anything, you know, the $20 custom charging cable that apple only sells unlike every other wireless device using a standard usb cable so if it breaks you just use one of those like your wireless headphone cable, your phone charging cable, wireless speaker cable, alarm clock cable. Nope, if the cable breaks you're stuck until you go to the store and spend $20 on a single wire, totally not a cash grab. Let's put the charging port on the back of the phone too so you have to awkwardly hold it if you decide to use it when charging, wouldn't want people using a wired phone... God forbid anyone have the option to turn it into a wired device if they don't want to deal with the hassle of charging it anymore, totally didn't make it like that so you're forced to buy a new mouse if you actually want a wired one cause apple totally doesn't milk their customers.
Next you'll be buying bluetooth headphones/earbuds where the charging cable would stick in your ear when you try to use it, god forbid anyone have the choice to turn their device back into a wired one like every other wireless mouse on the market. You gonna buy a car where the gas door is on the bottom which forces you to flip the car over or slide under it too? Not like you have to fill gas all that often right... You crapple fanboys are so quick to defend obvious design flaws, the mouse wasn't even designed to stand on the side or upside down so you just have an awkward teeter totter, you gonna get some water glasses where the bottom is curved too so your cup just spills whenever you let it go? You only have to hold the glass for a couple minutes while you drink it right...
Y'all are the biggest cult in the world but part of being is a cult is not realizing you're in a cult so enjoy your cult I guess. 🤷♂
@@DrakeOola
>ONLY lasts 6 months lmao
Salty much
It would be cool if the mouse was MagSafe, like the phones. I would buy it just for that.
I’d be more than happy if it had usb-c port
where would it be charged? a mouse pad? that would make people upset and it is easier to just have a charging cable.
@@augustogalindo8687 on the front, not the bottom?
I bet the next version is MagSafe. They’re looking to change everything to wireless right now so it makes sense.
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"Those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use the product in the first place."
I think this line says a lot. You can't just assume that most of the negative comments are coming from people who don't use the product. In my case, I hate the fact that I can't charge the mouse while using it - especially since it doesn't warn me that the battery is low until I have no choice but to stop what I'm doing and charge it.
It's okay to admit that sometimes Apple makes bad design choices.
And just because we don't use it does not mean our opinions on it are valueless. From an ergonomics viewpoint, we generally know what works and what doesn't, and well... Magic Mouse ain't it... and from a usability perspective, just where it the charging port is tells me everything I need to know about what Apple was thinking about when designing it... Prioritizing form over function gets you pure garbage nine times out ten.
Seriously, this man also can prove the worst products of apple as best. Supporting anti user decisions as master plan is a sin. This includes selling e waste in the name of environment, earpods, entire apple line up. Including the creator.
Please if you can’t deal with having to charge a mouse overnight once every couple of months then perhaps you just shouldn’t have a wireless mouse at all it’s really not that hard people will complain about anything
@@aaronlimitless no, that's just stupid without counting the fact that the mouse is uncomfortable to use in the first place.
@@Kazuny But here’s a wonderful thing if it’s uncomfortable you don’t like it don’t use it there are literally thousands of other mice you can buy Not hard I don’t know why people like you seem to think when you come up with an opinion that that’s everybody else’s opinion because it’s not if it doesn’t work for you get something else it’s not hard companies are going to build something that is going to be comfortable in that most people will use not just pay this guy doesn’t like this way so let’s build a completely his way not how it works
@@aaronlimitless just open your eyes. I'm obviously not the only one that thinks that. Also.the charging port isn't an opinion, that's just a fact. A mouse you can use while charging is objectively better than one that can't. People have a right to complain about shit that doesn't make sense and they should. Of course they're not gonna change things for a specific customer needs but if there are more customers that want that one feature or problem solved how is apple supposed to know if people don't complain? What we should just act as if a flawed product is perfect and expect it to be fixed magically? That's just dumb.
@@Kazuny because a whole bunch of people complain doesn’t mean that it’s a flawed product or let alone an issue no matter what product you make if it is sold by the millions they are going to be people that complain simple as that. It has never been an issue using the mouse and I use my iMac for about 3 to 5 hours every single day seven days a week and it’s never been a problem if it was a big enough of a problem it would be changed hence why it still is here years later people will complain about anything. Again if you don’t like it BUY A DIFFERENT MOUSE PROBLEM SOLVED!
Someone tried to solve it, only to find out that Apple disables the mouse's function when it's charged. Way to go, man.
I actually have a guess of why
Maybe they didn’t assume people would try to use it while it was charging and decided to save power by disabling it.
Also I ruined my nice old gaming laptop by always using it while charging for turbo mode.
It literally doesn’t last 1-7 seconds unplugged and even if you plug it in immediately after turning it on it still shuts down.
That’s awesome.
*Apple exists*
Greg: why Apple why?
Hahahahahahahaha
_”Why? Why would you do that, why would you do that I don’t understand.”_
If the speed at which it charges is so good to have with a port on the bottom, then imagine how much BETTER that would be combined with a port on the front. They are using a feature to solve a problem they caused, not to improve the product.
Dude, just charge the mouse overnight and your work will never be impeded. Why search for issues that don’t exist?
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 leaving a lithium battery plugged overnight is kinda sus my dude
"Those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use the products in the first place."
Apple hate in a nutshell.
And what about the other way around? Do Apple people also use other companies tech that they’re criticizing? I always see people switching from 200€ android phones to 1.000€ iPhones, telling everybody that iPhones are soooo much better, however they never tried 1.000€ android phones. Same with laptops. Going from 400€ Acer notebooks to 2000€ MacBooks. However they should compare their 2000€ MacBook with a 2000€ surface laptop instead.
@@aid0nex No since they can be the other way round, like android is cheaper and bla bla bla apple devices are soooo expensive, that is just how people think and you can’t deny nor control it.
@@aid0nex fun fact
The cheapest apple phone has more power than the best android phone
Edit: i don’t use apple i have an android, but you have to respect apples top notch quality
Even as an apple fan I think this charging method is stupid.
@@KarenTookTheKids Haha that's what a Karen would say
This channel is normally pretty good at providing an insight into Apple's thinking, but I have to say that this particular video just comes off as making excuses for a poor choice on Apple's part. Basically, there are no advantages to this design and obvious disadvantages, no excuse for it.
Look, I'm not an Apple user and this channel gets me interested in their products a lot and I think this video has done a great job at its purpose, explaining. However, the product itself is still questionable at best. Even if the need to charge it rarely comes up, it doesn't change the fact that it's still objectively awkward to charge.
“These complaints are coming from people who don’t even use the product in the first place.” Your point about it being awkward to charge? It’s two minutes, not a big deal? lol
@@benjiforster5531 The issue comes up rarely and it's a minor issue, yes, but it's still unnecessarily and objectively awkward. The point is that it's unnecessary and nothing else.
@@Isopropyl_Alcohol I get your point it can be unnecessary, but then again what’s the point of changing a design that works? “Don’t fix something that isn’t broken.”
@@benjiforster5531 That mentality is what caused the 737 MAX to crash repeatedly.
But you don’t charge it that much. That’s why is not a big deal! I have the Magic Mouse, for like 6 months now. I’m a designer and I use it daily. I’m not lying when I tell you that I have charged it exactly 5 times. No more than that. It could,ve been just 4 but I like to charge it when I notice that is running low. Believe me that using the mouse the last thing to worry about is the charging
The mouse stays charged for months, and Mac will send you a notification well before it actually dies. There’s never a problem with having to charge the Magic Mouse while needing to use it.
i don’t normally comment, but the ending bothered me, as someone who uses every apple product under the rainbow daily for work, i have NEVER once gotten either my home office or office office magic mouse to charge to a usable amount in under 30 minutes. Not once, it’s very noticeable because of that… BUT in defense it normally lasts a very long time on a full charge! but let me add my apple pencils are the same way, 15 seconds my butt! it has to be connect MINIMUM 15 minutes, or you’re going to lose connection FAST. but again, the battery life is great when it’s fully charged. (also let me add, those charging times aren’t that bad imo, just nowhere near as good as this video portrays them)
The point is it might not last as long under very extreme conditions but in general if you plug the mouse in for example every month let’s just say you should never ever have an issue with not being able to get through a full work session even if it’s like let’s say at 12 hours straight work session same with the Apple Pencil you should be able to forget to put it back on your iPad for a week and still have juice left if you need to use it which with Apple products that is very true it is very rare that I actually have any of those devices dead and if so it’s because I haven’t touch the pencil in three months it hasn’t been attached and I used it or something otherwise I’ve never had an issue I want to twice the mouse was dead and I just flip it over plugged it in went to grab something to drink or eat came back in 10 minutes and was able to get through my three or 4 hour session no problem before I was done with it for the day and let it charge overnight literally is never an issue people will just complain to complain every product has a downfall regular batteries you have to make sure you always have them in stock and then take them out swap them out etc. sure might give you a Instagram vacation but you’re still gonna have to change them and make sure you’re always stocked up on hand wired again never have to charge it but aesthetically not as pleasing to the eye for most etc.
"Those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use the products in the first place"
Well I don't use it because it's a stupid product. There are 483537562 mice with cables on front, some of them as thin as apple's mouse. They could have easily done this. They just decided to make sure people don't use it plugged in. As simple as that. A keyboard doesn't really lose it's magic when plugged in, but a mouse does. Also 9 hours is pathetic even if charged in 2 minutes. Total capacity is 1 month and you have to charge it like charging a phone. That's just one more thing to remember. I am using a logitech G305 which is a small wireless gaming mouse that lasts me literally a year on high performance mode with infinitely higher precision and poll rate than apple's mouse, and it doesn't have a stupid charging port at the bottom
Finally someone tht agree with me 👍
I use the magic mouse every day and its great until you have to charge it... It doesn't matter that it does it quickly it forces your work flow to come to a very abrupt halt and its annoying asf
To be fair, the video’s right. The same would happen if batteries died. It’s the downside to running anything on batteries- they’ll die at the most inconvenient time.
Although, I think the first part of the video is 100% why Apple put the port on the bottom- they don’t want people using it wired.
@@FatAlbert1020 Lol no it's not the same.
@@lorzo2 Lol. Why charge everyday? If you charge the Magic Mouse for a night, you can use it for at least 6 months
Can you atleast use other wireless mouse with usb wifi receiver?
@@lorzo2 my battery is currently down to 12 % and i honestly can't remember the last time I charged it, but i use my computer each day for at least 10hours. So, no it doesn't last only 2 days and unless the Mac informs me that my battery is below 5% i don't even really consider charging it, and even than i would finish my working day :)
Ohh, sure, is that also the reason why the port on the keyboard is facing out? Oh, wait.
Another great question to make a video “explained” off: Is bad leaving your Apple Pencil attached to the iPad all the time?
not really. many people do so
No. Same reason it’s not bad to leave your MacBook plugged in.
Most likely not, but I have an friend with an iPad Pro (2019) and an an Apple Pencil 2.gen. His iPad has now black dots and and an bump where the Apple Pencil was holding.same with the Apple Pencil.
@@tapferer1kater34 i have the same iPad and pencil - had it 2 years and always kept the pencil on the iPad - no problems at all:)
@@willpackham4575 well, I also think it is not an common problem, he most likely just have no luck,but… it i know it is true(I have seen it)
I was never a fan of Apple. In fact I previously had make fun of Apple. Due to work, I have been using Apple product for work. I agree 100%, the complaint mainly comes from people who don’t use Apple product, Apple product make sense when you use it, simple as that. You don’t get the best feature, the best ergonomic, best battery, but what you have simply works. I use basically the whole Apple ecosystem, it’s not the best, there are things that can be done better. But what you have across all of Apple product is, consistency in ui and quality, again not the best quality but consistence good quality across all of Apple product. Can you say the same thing with other brand ?
Hm…
I watched some of the videos.
Some of them make sense.
Some of them, to be honest look like an attempt to make Apple look good about items competitors are making better.
I think it is a good and healthy attitude to introduce some criticism regarding apple’s actions/decisions/solutions
Apple did actually gave you the option to include a wired mouse with your iMac up until early 2009.
This is an old comment but I bought an iMac in 2015 and was given the choice of a wired mouse, which I went for because I didn't want to need to charge my mouse in the middle of work
Imagine a world where you had superior standardized replaceable batteries (that can be rechargable also), and decided to replace them an inferior integrated system that interrupts your workflow
oh wait I don't need to imagine
This is the most ridicilus explanation i ever heard. They had to „redesign“ the mouse by removing the door and adding the port. The position of the port has nothing to do with the internal placement of the battery. Youre not directly plugging into the battery. It has to do with the design, but not as you explained it. I think it has to do with the touch surface, when the port is on the front they have to make a cutout in it for the port and they didnt want that. But anyway i avoided the stupid and expensive magicmouse and keyboard and went for a logitech mx mac keyboard and a mx master 3 mouse. They are cheaper and just better devices….
Well, the fact that the charging position doesn't matter cause it lasted for like months
@@jackverstraate I got magic and Logitech m720 I prefer the 720 over magic
@@jackverstraate I’ve heard just the opposite from most people and how the magic mouse is shit
@@jackverstraate I have a Magic Mouse, Magic Trackpad and a few gaming mice (Razer Viper, Logitech G Pro Wireless Superlight, Razer Viper Mini, Logitech G203, Logitech G Pro, to name a few). The Magic Mouse consistently provided the worst Mac experience of all, while the Magic Trackpad was the best (mostly because it can side scroll and allow for gestures just like the Magic Mouse, without any of the pitfalls it provides)
The glossy part that you touch curves all the way over the edge and there is physically no space to place a port there, and they likely didn’t want to spend the r&d on fully redesigning the mouse. I know, a strange decision and I also don’t love using this mouse in the first place as I much prefer a trackpad or an actual mouse, not this weird hybrid, but the charging port thing is really such an odd bone to pick when it really doesn’t matter at all given how quickly it charges and there are a million more important criticisms of this mouse than that non issue.
As a user, I can confirm Greg's point. Plugging the mouse shortly while taking a break can make it last for the rest of the day, while plugging it in during the lunch break can charge it to almost full capacity. Also, Magic Mice come with incredibly powerful batteries for such tiny devices. I've been using mine for five years now, and even though the battery has obviously degraded it still lasts months on one charge. The mouse itself is probably going to fail first before I need to consider replacing it due to insufficient battery life, and it's going to be years.
im presenting to you..... cables
no need to charge, and lasts surely more than the mouse itself
until you run out of battery at a critical moment in time and you need access to your computer quickly. The 2 min charge applies only when the battery just lost charge moments ago. I went on vacation for 1 month, the mouse discharged and it took a full hour to get it back in. That full hour, i couldnt use my computer, and i really needed it. It is a reliability issue, the moment you need it the most it dies and you have to wait. They should put the port on the side so you can use it while charging
I really like the last line, "those complaints are probably coming from people who don't even use it". Simply, showing he's Apple fanboy and roasting other users apart from Mac or Apple.
I was in the process of submitting my final thesis at 11:58pm when the mouse died from a full day of research but instead of “plug n play” option of use while charging I instead had to charge it for 1 minute in not usable state and missed the 11:59pm deadline.
I failed the course.
i know its a joke, but trackpad
Lesson learned: don't buy a mac until they fix it or do your work earlier.
The battery of the mouse, in my case, lasts much longer as at the magic trackpad, so recharge is not an issue for me. Adding wireless charging (as they did with Airpods pro) to the mouse would make it more convenient.
Apple should have made a charging cradle just like those for iphones. Flipping a mouse upside down feels unnatural.
I like that idea but that would be an extra device sitting on top of your desk, Apple always strives for simplicity and cleanliness. I love my magic mouse and I don't see a problem leaving it charging overnight.
@@ecu8r Having a mouse upside down on my desk with a cable getting out of its guts is the most "non apple" and "non clean" thing I can think of, even if it happens overnight :D
@@ecu8r simplicity? Apple is the same company that uses type c in their tablets and laptops but uses proprietary charing port for their phones which is more fragile than type C. Are you sure? Wouldn't a company want to cause their customers as little inconvenience as possible by allowing them to having carry just one cable for charging all their devices.
1:33 because apple does'nt care
There is another major reason. The lightning cable isn't tearproof (and making it tearproof would make it ugly). Having the people use the mouse when plugged in would result in significant tear.
Interesting, I wonder if that thought actually contributed to this design choice?
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read, and I watched this video with subtitles on.
@@orvvro It most probably did. They couldn’t make a different lightning connecter for the mouse because some people would still use their iPhone’s connector (if they lost the mouse’s wire or it stops working) which isn’t tearproof.
It’s obvious that they deliberately made it so that people don’t use it when plugged in. It’s been so many years and there’s also been another iteration since (magic mouse 3). They didn’t just leave it as is because they didn’t feel like redesigning. It would take minimal effort to redesign something that simple.
You don’t charge the mouse with the cable coming from the ceiling. There’s a slight bend to it which wears it down as well.
Nonsense. Charging from the bottom puts stress on the cable too.
Me charging my Magic Mouse during this video: Hmm Interesting 🧐
Me After the video: Oh wow I have 9 hours of charge 😮
Greg, thanks for your channel and your great explanations. I really appreciate it and find it stunning what you find out sometimes. But as a UX Designer myself I think in this case you might be not quite right. I think the aspect that is it is a much greater experience to use it without a cable is a very strong point here. And I could imagine really good that Apple wanted to force people to have this cable-less experience. Because it is very different from the experience you have with the keyboard or the trackpad. Because you simply don’t move these two normally and so the cable can’t bother you really. But well, just my Opinion on this topic, anyway keep up the very good and inspiring work! Already looking forward to the next video✌️🙂
I have the black Magic Mouse and it’s by far my favorite mouse, it looks so cool, it connects directly through the Bluetooth menu, I will admit I found it uncomfortable at first but now I’m used to it and other mice seem strange. And I think I’ve had to charge it like 3 times and I’ve had it for like 6 months…
And that's why Apple put the charge port on the bottom
As someone who has been using various mice for multimedia creation over decades - this is straight up one of the most horrid mice ever designed. This is a perfect example of apple completely going against their "user experience first" approach and prioritizing nothing more than aesthetics. I would rather use a bottom of the range mini laptop wired mouse than that pancake.
Okay, now let me introduce my theory: Greg is being held at gunpoint by Apple, forcing him to make videos explaining their faults
This explanation sounds more like defending Apples dumb mistakes. If some functionality like quick charging is "Good Enough" doesn't mean you can take away a such a simple easy great feature. Only true Apple Fanboys will agree to the explanation given in the video.
No offense: This is just constructive criticism
Yeah but like you can just charge it when you are sleeping.
@@crosstr15 You can also just charge it when you are sleeping with a mouse that has the port in a sane place. It's objectively a worse design.
if you are working in an advertising company, you don't know when you need mouse... Night or day??
it's all fun and games till you accidentaly turn off the bluetooth on your imac.
Ah. This is a useful explanation. I wish Apple said something like this. I feel Steve Jobs would explain things like this in a keynote so you weren’t left flabbergasted, annoyed and frustrated.
Thanks so much for this explanation.
Greg is the new Steve
Yeah, leave it to Steve Jobs to make excuses for their idiotic design decisions.
@@wta1518 LOL. Well, there's always idiotic decisions even in the best of products, it's almost impossible to make a 'perfect product' that's perfect for every customer. Sharing the thinking about design decisions really helps understand and choose whether the product is right for you :)
@@anubhav9000 or you can have fucking common sense to not have the port on the bottom. But given that you're an apple user it's natural that your brain isn't working at all
Even when you explain it, it still remains a terrible excuse. And as you explained it, it is a flaw rather than a feature, the quick charging is covering up the fact of unusability while charging.
With many things apple. There is always a reason. Personally i have never found the magic mouse to be comfortable at all to use regardless of where it is charged from. I use a logitech mouse on my mac.
I don’t use a Mac, but I have used the Magic Mouse before. I agree. They’re way too flat for my liking.
Indeed. It was designed for people with finger tip grip style, not very comfy for other grip style and the gloss surface makes multi finger gestures difficult as a result because there is no way to keep the mouse in place with thumb and pinky while performing these gestures. Its clearly form over function.
Wrong, Apple always puts function over form. Just look at the original iMac mouse from 1998. That's ergonomic perfection.
This channel always finds a justification for apples bad buisness practices and design flaws
@@craigjensen6853 So … what is the function of the Magic Mouse? How does the devices form factor improve on this function?
The mouse is the reason that Magic Trackpad sales rising.
I could imagine that charging it with a lightning cable while using a mouse would be a problem the cable that you don't have with a keyboard which doesn't move.
Yeeea if only battery longevity relied solely on amount of hours it spent working and didn't include the actual charging cycles, which is one of the reasons why usually it is better to charge the thing fully at once rather than in short bursts...
So I think the situation about people complains is pretty justified. Who in the right mind would want to buy a product that gives more questions about itself than answers.
I do use this product & still think it's an issue. Fast charging or not, it's the lazy way out when a simple board redesign would eliminate end-user headache.
Since Apple Explained started making videos, Apple doesn't have to explain its weird decisions anymore.
They are prioritizing the looks of their computers over functionality. It's irrelevant whether the mouse can be charged quickly or whether the battery lasts a lot. Recently they seemed to have changed that slightly considering the new macbook is a bit thicker and drops the touch bar.
The charging port could easily be moved to the left or right side of the mouse. And mouse functionality could easily be enabled during charging. This is just a "We're Apple and we know better" mentality.
NGL, we all know that it was just Apple saying, “Fuck it, we want a glass mouse, I don’t care how fundamentally flawed it is…”
Solution: place the transformer in the same location but before converting it, take the pure raw power from the cable and just use basically an extension cord. Modern technology would likely allow the components to shrink to fit such a cable and I think the best part of all to me is how apple called their mouse “loved by customers” which is such a good joke
They know what the solution is. They just want you to buy another one as backup and keep buying new ones when the battery degrades, since you can't use it wired as a last resource.
@@josephs3973 apple wouldn’t do that. Honestly look at the magic keyboard, though this cheese wouldn’t work well in a keyboard
The real thing is, every time you plug any rechargeable device to charge, the lifespan of it's battery is reduced...
Let's say you plug it to charge for couple of minutes, and at the end of the day you plug to fully charge over night.... it's just like you have wasted 2 fully charges attempt...
They did that to force the user to reduce the battery's life, so they will need to replace it sooner... it's about money $$!
Greg, this video made me laugh. Because I agree with you. I use the Magic Mouse and Keyboard all the time. They are wonderful devices and I have noticed that charging them is a simple break or over night process.
Thank you for this input and see you in the next one.
Exactly! haters will always look for small things to put Apple down but the fact is the mouse stays on several days. I still use my battery swappable magic mouse that came with my iMac 2013, I bought extra batteries and keep them charged all the time. Do people really complicate their lives this much?
@@ecu8r Yes some people do.
I used to be one ☝️ of them BTW. Now I’ve realized how simple Apple does make things.
2013? You still using that iMac 🖥?
@@WarriorsPhoto Yes sir, I bought it refurbished in 2015, opened it up and upgraded to SSD 1TB drive and still works great. I'm waiting to see what Apple will have in 2022 to replace the 27" iMac and saving up for it.
@@ecu8r That’s what I call respect ✊.
Getting the most out of your PC and upgrading it to make sure of it.
Good luck 👍🍀 with your next purchase. (:
Exactly! When you use the Magic Mouse the LAST thing you think or worry about is charging.
if your friend invented the charging design, you must be saying "that's one of the stupidest idea I have ever seen"
It’s still odd that the Magic Mouse has yet to undergo any sort of re-design since it was first introduced (beyond going to rechargeable batteries). I always found the ergonomics of it a bit awkward. Alas, I’m a trackpad guy, so if mouse lovers still love it, so be it.
Mouse lovers hate it tho, very few people use it often without getting carpal tunnel syndrome. only people using it are those who dont wanna spend money on a normal or vertical mouse
Even real mice have their sync port accessible without flipping it over
Not a valid explanation. I use the mouse and to charge it at the bottom , it’s a hassle. Not every human are meant to be the same. We tend to forget things like charging the mouse so we use and charge instead to ensure that it can hold charges in the future while our work is being done . And if that’s not an issue, why do still people complain ? I rather switch to something else soon .
You’re wrong those complaints come from people that actually do use the product but the biggest issue is I had no idea that only two minutes would give you nine hours of charge most of us think that we need to wait until the devices charged up fully or semi folding because that’s how most other products work
I’ve been dying to know why, thank you 🙏
Factual 💯🙏
This guy will never speak one bad line about Apple no matter what they do. They charge nearly $80 for a piece of PCB and plastic. You could *at least* of thought of a better place to put a charging port for this. Even better create a descrete keyboard and mouse combo mat that will charge both wirelessly while resting on the mat (Yes, these QI wireless charging was a thing back in 2009). It doesn't matter if it's 2 minutes of charging or 1 it's an inconvenience and anyone with a straight mind knows this is stupid. "These companies are coming for people who don't even use the product in the first place" - Then explain to me how ppl like Linus Tech Tips who spend their entire life reviewing this stuff said its a load of bs?!
Hey, I have some issues with this explanation. I get that it takes money in r&d and tooling to significantly alter the design of a product, but there is indeed an issue I would like for you to have mentioned. And that is the fact that batteries degrade with time, it's a fundamental property of rechargeable cells. Let's say I upgrade on a less frequent basis than most, say every 6-7 years. I'm fairly certain that the magic mouse won't keep its endurance that long, so unless I buy newer ones get the battery replaced, I cannot use it. I believe I'd be able to had the carge port been parallel to the ground. This would force me to spend more on a mouse that's fundamentally fine, and I don't that's a good time
The maximum capacity of the battery will degrade, recharge will not. Lets say the battery capacity falls from 100% to 60%, after 5 years. Full battery of those mice lasted for 30 days, so even with a degrated battery you can still charge it for 2 mins and get 9 hours. A degrated battery has nothing to with the 2 min charge.A degrated battery does not cause issues with the charging time to the current battery capacity level. A degrated battery will only lower battery life.
They took away functionality in case people got the mouse confused with something else? What is this cope? If Apple didn't see this design as an issue, then they obviously didn't test the mouse, did they?
I think the worst thing for me is how horrible it is to use, this thing deserves a redesign, and Apple deserve to be held accountable for terrible design practices, instead of finding ways to rationalize terrible, terrible decisions.
They're a multi-million dollar company for crying out loud, the bar should not be tripped over this easily.
I love how this guy can always turn Big A's stupid design to become one exceptionally genius design that no one else can think of.. I'd be very eager to have him on our marketing team so that all our bugs and flaws can be turned instantly into indigenous features! 😂😂
Although he’s probably a fan of the company, he doesn’t seem to put many personal opinions in his videos. He presents the facts and let’s you decide what to make of it. People do the exact same things for other companies.
Apple explained = clutching on straws to explain the dumbest apple design choices. What if i am in a meeting and my mouse runs out of battery? I know that Apple is a small indie company, but it does not cost much engineering resources to move the port on the front an run some wires till the battery location
It's probably also that they don't want the lightning cable to wear out. Moving the mouse back and forth is hard on the port and cable. They could get around this by using a trident design (cable in the center and plastic re-enforcements on either side) but Apple doesn't like throwing off the A E S T H E T I C.
Or just use a more durable port like USB C
Poor old lightning cable can't handle typical daily tear and wear. Classic Apple.
The mouse itself is hard to get the hang of. The design of the charger is still awful
I still use the old style magic mouse and keyboard. The difference is got AA rechargeable batteries. My problems are solved. And it won't be ewaste when I can easily replace the batteries! Let's go Green 🍏
Rechargeable AAs are seriously underrated. Like, good ones can last well up to a decade with basically no capacity drop and are pretty recyclable when they finally die.
@@HotdogNoire exactly my friend and they are super cheap! Just buy multiples and swap out when Charging!
What about White?
@@HotdogNoire that's why i prefer xbox over PS and Wii over switch!
@@LennyQUMFIF yeah, I have really old Xbox controllers that are still going strong. But PS3/4 controllers that are on the brink of death because of the crappy built in batteries :/
This channel is definitely paid for by the Apple marketing team. No questions asked.
stop crying
Anyone else having trouble loosing scrolling movement in the Magic Mouse 2 since the new update ?
Huh! I noticed this too!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought it was just my settings
Same. I had to use a regular Logitech mouse. 🤦🏻♂️
How DARE you criticize this immaculate piece of engineering?
The problem is obviously that your hand is not longer worthy of holding this mouse.
@@nicoful86 😂😂😂
The fact that this channel exist is extremely funny to me, please keep it up 🤣🤣🤣
"How can we get people to buy 2 mice?"
There is no excuse for a dumb idea
For years im saying that everyone who complained about this was pathetic! What on earth are you doing and you cant rest for 1 min to charge your mouse
What about homework due in just 1 minute?
Or important work.
@@LennyQUMFIF Did you know that we have the technology to warn people a while in advance that their device is low on battery? Of all the apple products it's the one you have to charge the least often and charges the fastest. If it fails on you at an important time it's entirely your fault.
@@DJVLDN but its still inconvenient.
That's why i prefer AA because they get swapped quickly.
Simple, be a gamer. You need the mouse all the time and with more than a 1 button mouse.
I understand a 1 button mouse for reading documents and programmers, butt us gamers, nope.
I'm a fan of tons of other "I - products" but never the 1 button mouse.
@@hendrikmoons8218 facts.
say whatever you want, it's still criminal that they were too lazy to design this in a more user-friendly way. Too hard to redesign a mouse? Dell probably makes 2 new mouse designs in a year. It's a mouse, not a nuclear reactor.
Apple's most obnoxious failing is their refusal to redesign things when realities change.
iMac - designed for spinning disks, sold until this year with terrible thermals but a big hole inside where 3.5" hard drives used to go.
Mouse - designed for AAs and with no vertical surfaces a charging port might go
Desktop computers - post 2003 (G5 case, recycled as Mac Pro) Apple made only 3 new case designs. Mac Mini, Shorter Mac Mini, Trash Can Mac Pro, and $10,000 Mac Pro. Meanwhile every other PC manufacturer made dozens of cases to meet various needs during that time.
That "controversy" always weirded me out. It's such a small and odd thing to have strong negative feelings about.
I mean it's poor design. I can see why people are angry.
@@champion1859 It's not healthy to be angry about the design of a product you don't use. It's the last point of the video and I can confirm it's the case because if you read any reddit thread about it, it's painfully obvious that they don't know anything about how the mouse works, how long it lasts, how fast it charges and whether or not you're warned about it being low on battery. It's just a circlejerk like hating pineapple on pizza or the word "moist".
@@DJVLDN fair enough
To be honest, I think the Magic Mouse is literally the worst designed Apple product right now. Even ergonomically it's a nightmare. Apple should redesign it, to be more inline with the MX Master series from Logitech. And yes, I do have and use a Magic Mouse (and an MX Master)
It would be awesome if they just made a new mouse with useable tracking and usb charging and regardless of the theories in this video it would still make much more sense to put the charger into a normal place. Oh and give it an actual ergonomic shape. I really tried loving it because I'm heavily invested in the apple ecosystem and I love apple products but their mouse is just utter garbage it has very slow and inaccurate tracking, it's very unergonomic and uncomfortable to use , lighting should fuck off and come included with usb c. Other then the fact that it's really beautiful and elegant it's a piece of shit product. I bought the Logitech mx anywhere 3 and while it doesn't feel as nice and doesn't look as stylish, it's a hundred times more useable.
1. How much did apple pay you?
2. I don't want my mouse to force me to go 2 mins to the toilet while I am working.
Came to understand this shit.
Edit: 2 minutes charging for 9 hours!!! Apple haters didnt tell me that.
Because it's not true. Try it.
I appreciate the effort to justify this, but at the end, it just came out as Apple just doesn't care enough to redesign the product since they know that most of the people who buys their products (i.e. the people who use these products) will still buy the mouse regardless of the inconvenience, because ecosystem.
charging port is also in a prime place to collect grit
"those complaints are coming from people who don't even use the product"
Greg, people don't use it, because they complain about it. Apple went lazy with this product. It doesn't matter if you can have it plugged for just two minutes, it just looks stupid. Imagine having a power socket in the ceiling.
Love it
“John is charging his Apple mouse again, must be taking a shit.”
Sorry to say it like this, but I don't care how little time it takes for it to charge. IT'S STILL A BAD DESING
I'm a Qualified electrician, and there is NO way that you can tell me that it is IMPOSIBLE to put the charging port at the top, WHERE EVERY MOUSE CABLE ONCE WAS, and internally wire it to the battery.
Also have you ever seen the Angry German Kid.
I'M ALSO GERMAN AND I DON'T WANT TO WAIT 2 MINUTES TO PLAY UNREAL TURNEMENT!!!!
if apple would sell farts in a jar and put their logo on it people would still buy it.
I mean who doesnt want some farts in a jar
But lets be honest, we all know the 'magic' mouse along with every other apple accessory loses battery really quick and takes forever to charge again
Apple: has bad design
Greg: *inhales copium
Jokes aside, I like how quick and to the point your videos are.
This is a pretty weak excuse for a company known for "great engineering" and potentially billions in R&D budget.
and also 'to create some hype'. you missed that point
From design standpoint, it’s dumb af seriously. And I’m an Apple user and still uses the 1st gen MM with AA batteries. Mouse is great just not for people with super huge big palm.
apple designed it as most mice were designed back then.
that ended up causing them to have to put the charging port in the bottom
but they didn't change the design because they didn't think it would be a problem, since it takes about 2 minutes of charge for 9 hours of battery, and a full battery lasts about a month.
and that's why... apple is still stupid
Personally, I prefer the Magic Trackpad over the mouse due to the ergonomics. While portability is better with the mouse, the gesture support on the trackpad absolutely smokes it. To each their own, though 🤷♂️
While I'm a well known anti-mac person despite learning to program on the apple 2 and 2e back in the late 90's, I still object to apple's more recent attitude of form before function.
This speaks of design laziness more than anything, and that bugs me.
this also means that in critical infrastructure, I'm going to use a wired USB mouse or not an apple, as 2 minutes in an industrial process environment could be costly in a number of ways.
I have grown up in, and worked in, environments where little things like this can become the final link in the chain of disaster, and therefore I have little tolerance of it.