MBT talking about things that weren't big during reaper format Everything he spoke about was basically the meta in 2006 in the UK. Apparently we were ahead of our time.
Even for some stuff he said about Edison elsewhere I was thrown off b/c a lot of what's being played in Edison now is stuff I very distinctly recall my local area playing back then. Or the BLS + Reborn + Dhole pov thing was the common perspective here after seeing that list drop.
@@lulzvg If it didn't top a regional or higher it's extremely unlikely there's records of any given deck actually having any success. And even then it's a bit iffy since records are basically entirely community based.
@@Skasaha_ I get that. I just meant it was really surprising people didn’t notice larger scale till more recently is all. Even some friends from a few states away had the same situation back then though I didn’t meet them till much later than Edison. I’m sure it’s developed even beyond that point and the notion of that is really cool. Like even in a single country the meta development can be at wholly different stages during the same time.
Goat: ARRIVA LAS CHIVAS! Reaper: Don't fear the reaper Edison: "lightbulb" H.A.T: How an Amazing Trio made a good format that I never experienced. T.O.S.S: Flip a coin, throw a bone. It doesn't matter, we will combo anyway.
Early HAT is when I got into yugioh and it is still the format I have the fondest memories of playing. I understand some people might be put off by the fact that the best two decks (HAT and Geargia) begin every game by setting 5 cards, and even decks that look to spam boss monsters (i.e. Harpies) just end up sitting on one big chungus while grinding out the match, but for anyone looking for a slower (but not underpowered) format, I really recommend checking it out.
I'd be more put off by Infernity searching & then setting 4 tbh, but there are good hand traps in the format so it's ok , the format right before that one without soul charge or artifacts, fire/water/mythic ruler format, is one of my favourites too
HAT was literally peak Yugioh, a grindy, resource intensive control format where the powerful control tools that allow you to outgrind your opponent are easily accessible extra deck toolbox monsters instead of limited power draws like in Goat. I hope to see more people playing HAT format in the future.
Same. I got in right as the Dragon Rulers got hit and HAT started getting popular. I was still in high school so I just played Lightsworns out of the structure deck! I am quite fond of HAT format. But the following Duelist Alliance era is my by far my favorite.
I'm surprised there was no mention of the pre Blue eyes worlds consisting of Monarch and BA and stuff, that was a very popular format back in the day. Unless I'm just being dumb and misremembering and that was actually one of the HAT formats that were mentioned Edit: Also the reverse lotion bit was peak comedy
i saw pre blue eyes and i was like "weren't there like no cards before LOB?" and I saw the rest of the sentence, and al of it makes so much more sense now
@@anonymouskaiju9101 ABC format is 2 formats after that one, it's significantly different, it goes pk fire/monarch format -> blue eyes/ early metalfoe/nerfed pk fire format -> INOV format(Paleozoics/full power Metalfoes/ABC/Lightsworns/remnants of past formats/Shark Toad decks/new rogue things) I haven't seen a single game of monarch/pk fire format played recently, I think it was mostly popular right after it ended with people wanting to play full power pk fire & monarch decks they owned & not having to play vs metalfoes/toadally awesome/later zoodiacs I think the lack of Blue Eyes might have scuppered it's long term chances/popularity
I played a ton during that format and it was not very interactive or fun. Top decks were Monarchs, PK fire or Kozmos and they all had a very linear gameplan of sitting under a guy with backrow or a floodgates that win you the game.
It's an interesting format - this was the first one I was competitive for. Unfortunately, Monarch (ED and Domain)/PK Fire/Kozmo, then a Tier 2 of Pendulum/Qliphort wasn't actually particularly fun. A large percentage of games were just "where's the Domain out," Kozmo was a check on Domain but bricked to hell, Qliphort was all floodgtes, and no deck could keep up with PK without resorting to shenanigans.
They kiinda do sometimes. I recall in the Legendary Collection Kaiba box for example we got a reprint of Delinquent Duo, a card that still is banned to this day and only sees play in Goat Era decks.
Hat format was when I was first getting into the game semi competitively in college. I was winning a lot of locals at the time with Blaze Fenix OTK. The way I had it constructed, it could actually grind out games against HAT, Infernity, etc. Good times
Lightsworn chaos ruler in HAT format I played Hat in finals of locals like 12 weeks straight and would consistently play through 5 back row all the fire and ice hands and still OTK my first turn
ABC is definitely a blast. I've had some great duels with that one. I'm also a huge proponent of 2012's Abyss Rising format. It's extremely diverse with a good array of play styles and deck complexity. And I will argue with MBT about Ravine Ruler format being amazing until the end of time.
Dude seeing your name pop up again is such a throwback. Used to love your banlist vids. Awesome that you're uploading again, will you be doing mostly retro format stuff cos of Time Wizard?
Another format i would love to see people explore is the post-invo Abc format which is a contender for one of the most diverse format with deck topping here and there like the aforementioned Abc, Metalfoes varients, paleofrog, pk fire and so much more
Yeah more or less that sums it up. I think one when Shaddolls got introduced is a fairly popular pick when you ask people in forums about their favorite format. I'd personally go for the Tengu plant with the most hype, loved those days. I feel you in the Royal Oppression one...
I quit playing casually around the end of GX, so these retro formats are so cool and nostalgic for me The feels like spiderman bit at 5:05 is a tier 0 joke for sure
I used to play YGO Tag Force 3 back in 5th-6th grade and also bought a shit load of (unfortunately) Jaden Yuki packs. Dumb me aside, that was basically Tele-DAD format, I believe TDGS and CROC were the last packs available in Tag Force 3. Fun for me, very unfun format as a whole
i would love to play hat format again. that was when i started to play yugioh again and even being horrendous at the game and having a card pool that would make normal monster beat down look like a meta deck it was super fun and now i can play it while actually knowing how to play the game with a real card pool and even better is that these old formats are way cheaper as they where during their time thanks to reprints and the cards no longer being meta.
I love how up until reborn tengu,you could recreated them in the Tag Forces Series. Thanks Konami for not lauching Tag Force Special,they really didn´t care at that point.
i made a poll in zodiac duelist around October 2020 regarding Eternal / TOSS format and a lot of people wanted to play post gold sarc tins (introducing nibiru, shifter, and drnm) which used the July 2019 list, as opposed to the October one you suggested, but both formats being post-tins make them significantly different from the longest version that was actually played, immediately after the good orcust cards came in DANE at the very start of May until the banlist in mid-July, some two-and-a-half months long, and also different from what i think is the most fun version to play - the July 2019 banlist format PRE-tins, which was also played for about one-and-a-half months i've just made another post on Zodiac, hopefully this one will gain some traction and generate discussion as well, but hopefully your mentioning the format here will generate some interest in it as well
I personally came back to Yugioh during Inzektor format, and personally I'm pretty nostalgic for it. You had about six decks all vying for top spots (Wind-Up, Inzektor, Dino Rabbit, Chaos Dragon, Ninjas, and Hieratics), and even some decks that came a bit too late that could compete retroactively (mainly Spellbooks) and some interesting rogue options (Gishki, Quasar Turbo, and early Madolche).
Late 2016 is a really interesting time period for a retro format, because while Paleo, ABC and Metalfoes are some of the better decks with a bunch of rogue being present , Minerva snow turbo is legal. And arguably the best deck. Just not something that was accessible to the common man.
@@jjjmvp1864 I honestly think the format might become very old very fast. I'm 85% sure that Lightsworn is the best deck by a mile in that format. Minerva just makes it so the deck does everything the ther decks do as well + it adds the chance for random auto wins. It's kinda like YCS Utrecht 2022 where the best deck was Dragon link featuring the chaos armageddon price card but obviously noone played that (except for my friend who got top 16 with the deck)
One format that I love and I am trying to bring to life amongst my friends is Chaos Dragon format. There are two formats that one can play March 2012 banlist and September 2012 banlist. The September banlist notably banned Future Fusion and limited Red-eyes Darkness Metal to hit chaos dragons, limited the boat to hurt Wind Up, and limited both hornet and dragonfly. The top decks include Chaos Dragons, Inzektor, Wind-Up, Dino-Rabbit, Hero-Beat, Dark World, and even Final Countdown if you are wierd.
8:00 I disagree with your assessment of the October banlist. The problem with that format was the Mega Tin promos: Nibiru and DRNM. It made Salad and Danger Thunder a riskier option to play. Sky Strikers and Orcust didn’t have as big of an issue with Nibiru and DRNM. The later you go into the year, the better sky striker orcust becomes and this kind of breaks the beautiful dynamic of the format. I think the best point would be the July banlist of that year for the reasons mentionen.
@@andrewhunter596 Spyral is just 1 of 2 very viable combo decks in it, the other being Lunalights, & niether of them won an event, Nibiru helped the format a lot, Shaddolls/Invoked, Dinosaurs, Salad, Endymion are all relatively meta alongside them, & there are some neat relatively balanced control decks like Guru & Titan control too & Cyber Dragon, @Ignister, Ancient Warrior, Danger! Gren Maju & Cubics are all fun decks that while not as viable are more viable/actually exist unlike in the prior format dominated by Striker/Orcust, there's even a playable Orcust deck still in the format, just the most balanced incarnation of it to ever exist
Hard disagree, before the tin promos it was obnoxious trying to stop those decks from doing anything in certain scenarios, and it got to the point where breaking an established board pretty much wasn't reasonable to accomplish with your available card economy. October 2019 was definitely the most well balanced of the Toss formats, and I feel people just lust after the absurd power ceilings that were reachable in July 2019. I understand the appeal, don't get me wrong, but after the promos, builds had to become more reserved. Danger Thunder (for example) was forced to pivot into Pure/Stunder builds and I personally think that's the more interesting way to play the deck, and resulted in the pilots having to be smarter to continue to succeed with the deck. The interplay between the decks still existed, it had just shifted and evolved. The only blight I would argue is that Striker Orcust rose in prominence around that time.
Inov fomat is great. I've built 4 ycs Bochum 2016 top Decks irl (abc, lightsworn, metalfoe, paleo) and am planning on building toad heroes and blue eyes to complete the format. Played alot of it with my buddies
@@nicholaswong955 some people play the post structure format, & you can too, nothing stops you, Edison was also a very short format historically, INOV has rogue decks that are more viable than they would be there though, including what are some people's favourites PK Fire, Toad HERO & Blue Eyes, off that alone it's bound to be played more.
What about DuelAliance format or at least an early Pendulum era one? There are so many by now iconic and beloved decks in here. BA, Shaddooll, Magician or if you felt like losing even Satellarknight.
Yeah DUEA was a sweet format especially when it first came out. Not sure I’d play it all the time but I’d love an opportunity to play soul charge at 3 again. Very much the two best decks were shaddoll and BA but soul charge really opened up the pool of rouge decks.
GeistD went second place in world a few days ago. Goat Control just made a major comeback. It isn't that the players are stupid. It is that we as a community come further in solving goat format.
Very excited for all these formats, and also I hope Inov takes off since it's be weird for there to be no popular legacy formats in between HAT and TOSS
I don't believe Royal Oppression is that big of a problem in Edison. There are many deck that don't really care much about like Gladiator Beasts, Frog Monarch, Black wings and Vaiju.
I'm most excited about Edison and HAT. The former because it is most akin to when I stopped playing. The latter because it is the most diverse since then.
Might just be nostalgia glasses, but I remember it was really fun playing on Dueling Network at whatever point it was in 2012/2013 after inzektors/windups etc had all been hit but before the dragon rulers came out. Loads of diversity, top decks were strong but didn't feel oppressive..... wonder if that format will ever show up as a time wizard event
that format does seem kind of nice , unless it gets more popular though it's doubtful an ots would run an event for it , some of the decks from around then also see play in HAT format too , I want to play my Geargias in that format too though
Its a fantastic format, and its at a point where a lot of rogue decks can utilise generic traps to keep up fairly well. I remember playing Jurracs, Evols, Warrior Rabbit, and other dumb decks on DN and doing ok. Its got a fairly sizeable card pool but its not that hard to go through all the cards. Also it has the best deck ever of Chaos Dragons.
That era after the Four Horsemen (DIno Rabbit, Inzektors, Wind-Ups and Chaos Dragons) got wrecked in some shape or form but before Rulers were released was so fun. tbh even after DRs I was still pulling out wins with Dark Worlds. It was Hidden Arsenal 7 that wrecked it for me with Evilswarm.
I wonder if we could Time Wizard back to 2008 for some TeleDAD, Lightsworn, Glad Beast duels. I really enjoyed that format despite it being one of the "dark ages" in YGO.
I think that era kind of runs into edison format, glad beasts, a nerfed/evolved version of tele-DAD & lightsworn are all still playable there, it's not the same but it can be worth joining in with that to play those cards with a pretty active playerbase
@@Marcusjnmc it does but I specifically am looking for that era of pre bans because while yes the decks were definitely broken for their times I like that was this kinda "Clash of the Titans" feeling to it. While historically that format is remembered for TeleDAD dominating everything having played that format first hand I can say that both Glad Beast and Lightsworn were able to breakthrough at lower levels which history often doesn't show.
I personally look forward to the 2010 timeline~ Yu-Gi-Oh! World Championship 2010 Reverse of Arcadia has given me plenty of chances to see what works and what doesn’t in that period. A good time for my warriors to shine!
“Oh u summoned colossus yay...” Here’s the thing though...Colossus against the other decks was varied? Orcust and Salad outed it through his protection effect (and Orcust just did not care about Colossus at all as well) so it was really Striker that had a problem. Pure Thunder relied on Titan and Danger Thunder needed the extra negates that Agarpain brought out to not get clapped by Orcust. This is why Thunder was considered the weakest of the 4 TOSS decks compared to Salad, Striker and Orcust before the Mega Tin Promos and October Banlist. Don’t let your hate boner for how they expanded Thunder Dragon into an archetype influence how it actually performed.
The funny thing is, by October they shifted to pure/stunder (which was when I picked up the deck) and because of how you shifted your strategy, alot of matchups shifted in your favor. You could play under Nib by setting up Lambda with Gamma in hand, get an Apo up by fifth summon, or just sit on Titan+Colossus and backrow. The backrow options were pretty decent too, sitting on Macro/DiFi just shit on Orcust and Salad, Titan and Colossus kept their protection through skill drain and survived Torrential, and tributing off extra Colossus for virus fodder just gave insane amounts of control to good pilots. Plus you were maining Nib and Phantazmay anyway, so your hts were super high impact. Hell, you could afford to main Lancea purely for the mirror and Orcust matchups, and that was huge as well. To top it all off, Aloof was pretty much impossible to handtrap as a starter since it banished for cost. I think these things just got overshadowed by people trying to force danger Thunder to work because they were still chasing the high from the power ceiling of July Danger Thunder, and things like Striker Orcust rising yo prominence (sick fucking deck as well btw, but fuck 3 engage lmfao.)
Man I loved Maximum crisis format with Zoo, draco, dino, metalfoes, invoked, abc, Paleo and 60 cards while the format was fairly figured out there was still alot of variations between decks and techs and it led to very skill based matches... Bar the matches that just auto ended to master piece, vfd, non destroyable crystalwing
I want to play the format that existed for like 2 weeks when all of the big dragon rulers were limited, dark matter was released, and snatch steal was playable at 1
Trickstar bans because of ANY 2 MONSTERS also kinda stung I felt. lightstage probably deserved it since it is an incredible consistency card out of archetype but I really enjoyed playing against that deck (as long as they didn't open reincardnation+droll lul). I was sad to see it just straight up vanish like it did. Then even sadder when the burn players all started using mine instead.
@@skailerderkonigderdiebe5499 YCS 200 was a better one deck format than October 2019 too, if you'd rather avoid deck diversity, Pure Striker Mirror > Orcust/Striker Mirror a lot of the deck diversity of february '20 also comes out of the format just being more balanced though, the most broken decks of the format both being hurt by both Droll & Nibiru helps balance a lot, & Winda is relatively easy to handle with Dark Ruler in the format on top of Imperm & with Schism not having been released yet so it's generally a target for those start of turn, which opens the door to a plethora of rogue decks to be played
Honestly, my favorite format was pre-sub combo triangle zoo format. The 1 format I didnt mind playing with/against a basically tier 0 deck because every game felt way different due to tech choices and counterplay between the 3 main zoo builds
I love HAT from the bottom of my heart, peak yugioh, and thats not because its when i started, i started when the tcg released in NA, or Canada at least.
If I had to pick a favourite historical format, it would probably be Goat control, I first started playing the game outside of the playground at school around this time and because I couldnt really get ahold of the cards for the "standard" goat control deck, I actually ended up playing a deck the revolved around xyz dragon cannon utilizing cards like dimension fusion and return from the different dimension and I had quite a lot of success with it. i honestly dont think I would be playing the game currently if not for my experience back then, as while I did stop playing the game after goat format ended, because of my fond memories of the game and my love of frogs, I came back to the game just in time for the frog ftk deck using substitoad (yeah, i know its degenerate, but I love frogs too much to care lol).
I'm personally someone who simps for nekroz format. If you take a moment to look past the obvious best deck in nekroz you've got a widely diverse range of competitive decks that are distinctly different from one another.
For the past few years me and my friends have been play CRV Goat Format which is the same banlist but includes Exarion and CRV into the card pool which namely adds Cyber Dragon and its Fusions which also makes Cyber-Stein viable, so this is very similar to your "Reaper Format" but with the Goat Format banlist. But with Goat Control at full power, the Cyber-Stein OTK is actually very stoppable and often backfires lol I'm big on playing Cyber Dragons so for every Time Wizard Format I get into I intend to play Cyber Dragons if they're playable and they're somewhat playable in almost every format but very good in TOSS and maybe a 2016-2017 format that has Infinity in it, like that ABC Format I guess, CyDra Orcust was a tier 1 deck back in 2019 so if that was at full power for TOSS that's probably what I'd run, CyDra is a little jank in Edison but it's semi-playable and meshes well with some of the cards at the time like Dimension Fusion or Return, since Cyber Valley, Overload Fusion and Eltanin can quickly fill your banish pile. Also DNA Surgery + Chimeratech Fortress is insanely funny in Edison lol
Honestly I think that early 2014 format is healthier than HAT format because Soul Charge was not out yet. Soul Charge at 3 is complete nonsense and is unfortunately a problem for HAT format according to me.
A big reason why Goat lists moved away from pure control was the banning of Exarion Universe. Exarion was commonly played in Goat format lists until a few years ago. Losing a big dark that could punish goats, reaper, weenie sets took away a lot of aggro/pressure from control lists
It wasn’t that Exarion Universe was banned. It was a matter of when precisely the wave of tins containing Exarion Universe became tournament legal versus when Cybernetic Revolution became legal. There was a debate over this for a long time because Upper Deck tournament policy at the time was weird. It was eventually decided that Exarion Universe was never legal before Cyber Dragon was, and so Goat Format now definitively removes those tins from the card pool. TBH, it was probably for the best, since Exarion Universe’s presence made Scapegoat an actively bad card, and now there are a bunch of viable tech choices that were outclassed by Exarion Universe.
Honestly T.O.S.S was an amazing formant where the banlist instead of nuking evey deck forced every player to reimagined or even build new old decks. Example salamangreat's arguably became stronger when they stoped going staleo turbo and looked to other tech choices still has the clogged up extra deck sadly... plus after the initial combos there were still back and forth slug matches.
wait, they announced all those formats starting this year? That's crazy, I would expect that to have happened way earlier, some way to get newer players introduced into the game and later try and get them to play other formats. Ah well. For now, I'll go play the N/R event with metalfoes. The decklist for that is really good.
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Nothing will ever convince me that the success of Cimo's series did not influence Time Wizard
It probably did ngl
MBT talking about things that weren't big during reaper format
Everything he spoke about was basically the meta in 2006 in the UK. Apparently we were ahead of our time.
Even for some stuff he said about Edison elsewhere I was thrown off b/c a lot of what's being played in Edison now is stuff I very distinctly recall my local area playing back then. Or the BLS + Reborn + Dhole pov thing was the common perspective here after seeing that list drop.
@@lulzvg If it didn't top a regional or higher it's extremely unlikely there's records of any given deck actually having any success. And even then it's a bit iffy since records are basically entirely community based.
@@Skasaha_ I get that. I just meant it was really surprising people didn’t notice larger scale till more recently is all. Even some friends from a few states away had the same situation back then though I didn’t meet them till much later than Edison. I’m sure it’s developed even beyond that point and the notion of that is really cool. Like even in a single country the meta development can be at wholly different stages during the same time.
Goat: ARRIVA LAS CHIVAS!
Reaper: Don't fear the reaper
Edison: "lightbulb"
H.A.T: How an Amazing Trio made a good format that I never experienced.
T.O.S.S: Flip a coin, throw a bone. It doesn't matter, we will combo anyway.
post engage ban MR4 format > all of TOSS
@@Marcusjnmc How's the ban prison treating you?
@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 pretty well tbh, ^.^ lots of time to explore great old formats, Drident really should stay free though '.'
@@Marcusjnmc Striker wasn't even the best deck in toss
@@haydenz0 that banlist also banned harp & colossus & stalio, it ended the TOSS format and created the most diverse format in years
Your giving me protag of a straight to dvd home alone sequel
Early HAT is when I got into yugioh and it is still the format I have the fondest memories of playing. I understand some people might be put off by the fact that the best two decks (HAT and Geargia) begin every game by setting 5 cards, and even decks that look to spam boss monsters (i.e. Harpies) just end up sitting on one big chungus while grinding out the match, but for anyone looking for a slower (but not underpowered) format, I really recommend checking it out.
And if you wanna do stupid otk deck's lightsworn is quite good that format
I'd be more put off by Infernity searching & then setting 4 tbh, but there are good hand traps in the format so it's ok , the format right before that one without soul charge or artifacts, fire/water/mythic ruler format, is one of my favourites too
HAT was literally peak Yugioh, a grindy, resource intensive control format where the powerful control tools that allow you to outgrind your opponent are easily accessible extra deck toolbox monsters instead of limited power draws like in Goat. I hope to see more people playing HAT format in the future.
I think HAT was wayyyyy better than Edison or Plant Synchro, Reaper and Goat are nowhere near the level of HAT.
Same. I got in right as the Dragon Rulers got hit and HAT started getting popular. I was still in high school so I just played Lightsworns out of the structure deck!
I am quite fond of HAT format. But the following Duelist Alliance era is my by far my favorite.
HAT and Edison are pretty awesome formats, glad to see them being played more
I'm surprised there was no mention of the pre Blue eyes worlds consisting of Monarch and BA and stuff, that was a very popular format back in the day. Unless I'm just being dumb and misremembering and that was actually one of the HAT formats that were mentioned
Edit: Also the reverse lotion bit was peak comedy
ABC format I believe was the format right before that so you might see some overlap
i saw pre blue eyes and i was like "weren't there like no cards before LOB?" and I saw the rest of the sentence, and al of it makes so much more sense now
@@anonymouskaiju9101 ABC format is 2 formats after that one, it's significantly different, it goes pk fire/monarch format -> blue eyes/ early metalfoe/nerfed pk fire format -> INOV format(Paleozoics/full power Metalfoes/ABC/Lightsworns/remnants of past formats/Shark Toad decks/new rogue things)
I haven't seen a single game of monarch/pk fire format played recently, I think it was mostly popular right after it ended with people wanting to play full power pk fire & monarch decks they owned & not having to play vs metalfoes/toadally awesome/later zoodiacs
I think the lack of Blue Eyes might have scuppered it's long term chances/popularity
I played a ton during that format and it was not very interactive or fun. Top decks were Monarchs, PK fire or Kozmos and they all had a very linear gameplan of sitting under a guy with backrow or a floodgates that win you the game.
It's an interesting format - this was the first one I was competitive for.
Unfortunately, Monarch (ED and Domain)/PK Fire/Kozmo, then a Tier 2 of Pendulum/Qliphort wasn't actually particularly fun. A large percentage of games were just "where's the Domain out," Kozmo was a check on Domain but bricked to hell, Qliphort was all floodgtes, and no deck could keep up with PK without resorting to shenanigans.
If Konami released decks/packs specifically for these old formats I would buy cards again for the first time in 10+ years
They kiinda do sometimes. I recall in the Legendary Collection Kaiba box for example we got a reprint of Delinquent Duo, a card that still is banned to this day and only sees play in Goat Era decks.
The ots packs are usually getting a few reprints/rarity upgrades
The 2014 HAT format(s) were my favourite time in Yu-Gi-Oh. It felt like any deck could win with the right pilot in a post dragon rulers world.
Hat format was when I was first getting into the game semi competitively in college. I was winning a lot of locals at the time with Blaze Fenix OTK. The way I had it constructed, it could actually grind out games against HAT, Infernity, etc. Good times
Lightsworn chaos ruler in HAT format I played Hat in finals of locals like 12 weeks straight and would consistently play through 5 back row all the fire and ice hands and still OTK my first turn
You also had the three lightsworn deck that could win tournies. Lightsworn is almost great in all these formats it exists
ABC is definitely a blast. I've had some great duels with that one. I'm also a huge proponent of 2012's Abyss Rising format. It's extremely diverse with a good array of play styles and deck complexity. And I will argue with MBT about Ravine Ruler format being amazing until the end of time.
2012 format is my favorite
What's the banlist of abc format? And who uploads duels of that? Thx
Dude seeing your name pop up again is such a throwback. Used to love your banlist vids. Awesome that you're uploading again, will you be doing mostly retro format stuff cos of Time Wizard?
idk why but the "ooooo you summoned colossus ooooooo" killed me
Another format i would love to see people explore is the post-invo Abc format which is a contender for one of the most diverse format with deck topping here and there like the aforementioned Abc, Metalfoes varients, paleofrog, pk fire and so much more
Yeah more or less that sums it up. I think one when Shaddolls got introduced is a fairly popular pick when you ask people in forums about their favorite format. I'd personally go for the Tengu plant with the most hype, loved those days.
I feel you in the Royal Oppression one...
I quit playing casually around the end of GX, so these retro formats are so cool and nostalgic for me
The feels like spiderman bit at 5:05 is a tier 0 joke for sure
I used to play YGO Tag Force 3 back in 5th-6th grade and also bought a shit load of (unfortunately) Jaden Yuki packs.
Dumb me aside, that was basically Tele-DAD format, I believe TDGS and CROC were the last packs available in Tag Force 3. Fun for me, very unfun format as a whole
Although it wasn't mentioned, I'm excited to play some Duelist Alliance format. I had so much fun playing tellars back in the day.
This sounds very fun because I started playing at locals in December of 2019 and this gives me a chance to play hat and machina gadget
i would love to play hat format again. that was when i started to play yugioh again and even being horrendous at the game and having a card pool that would make normal monster beat down look like a meta deck it was super fun and now i can play it while actually knowing how to play the game with a real card pool and even better is that these old formats are way cheaper as they where during their time thanks to reprints and the cards no longer being meta.
I love how up until reborn tengu,you could recreated them in the Tag Forces Series.
Thanks Konami for not lauching Tag Force Special,they really didn´t care at that point.
i made a poll in zodiac duelist around October 2020 regarding Eternal / TOSS format and a lot of people wanted to play post gold sarc tins (introducing nibiru, shifter, and drnm) which used the July 2019 list, as opposed to the October one you suggested, but both formats being post-tins make them significantly different from the longest version that was actually played, immediately after the good orcust cards came in DANE at the very start of May until the banlist in mid-July, some two-and-a-half months long, and also different from what i think is the most fun version to play - the July 2019 banlist format PRE-tins, which was also played for about one-and-a-half months
i've just made another post on Zodiac, hopefully this one will gain some traction and generate discussion as well, but hopefully your mentioning the format here will generate some interest in it as well
I personally came back to Yugioh during Inzektor format, and personally I'm pretty nostalgic for it. You had about six decks all vying for top spots (Wind-Up, Inzektor, Dino Rabbit, Chaos Dragon, Ninjas, and Hieratics), and even some decks that came a bit too late that could compete retroactively (mainly Spellbooks) and some interesting rogue options (Gishki, Quasar Turbo, and early Madolche).
8:23 this is your best joke of the year so far!
you have a lot of time to top it but it I will keep it in my memory
Loved watching the exposure rebalance every time your hands entered or left the frame, never realized quite how pale you are XD
I love that somebody is using Ex-Lyd’s music and hopefully enjoying it, i love their work and happy other ppl enjoy it too.
Late 2016 is a really interesting time period for a retro format, because while Paleo, ABC and Metalfoes are some of the better decks with a bunch of rogue being present , Minerva snow turbo is legal. And arguably the best deck. Just not something that was accessible to the common man.
ngl sometimes I forget the dark ages when Minerva was a prize card
@@ToxicAtom As a lightsworn player, I'll never forget those two painful years.
Same in goat with cyber Stein, it was an otk deck with triple cyber Stein, in theory
I agree this format deserves recognition hoped when cimooo covers it in history people will play it
@@jjjmvp1864 I honestly think the format might become very old very fast. I'm 85% sure that Lightsworn is the best deck by a mile in that format. Minerva just makes it so the deck does everything the ther decks do as well + it adds the chance for random auto wins. It's kinda like YCS Utrecht 2022 where the best deck was Dragon link featuring the chaos armageddon price card but obviously noone played that (except for my friend who got top 16 with the deck)
Damn, you’re lucky for having a locals that even runs Goat Format, let alone Edison. Cries in UK
One format that I love and I am trying to bring to life amongst my friends is Chaos Dragon format. There are two formats that one can play March 2012 banlist and September 2012 banlist. The September banlist notably banned Future Fusion and limited Red-eyes Darkness Metal to hit chaos dragons, limited the boat to hurt Wind Up, and limited both hornet and dragonfly.
The top decks include Chaos Dragons, Inzektor, Wind-Up, Dino-Rabbit, Hero-Beat, Dark World, and even Final Countdown if you are wierd.
My thing about TOSS is that pre October and post DANE, Azathot Turbo Luna Orcust was at full power and would CERTAINLY be the best deck of the format
Honestly TOSS is like HAT, it's got like 3 ban lists that go through it's life span and each one has pretty big effects on what it looks like.
@@IamGrimalkin Oh, right, that stupidity
8:00 I disagree with your assessment of the October banlist. The problem with that format was the Mega Tin promos: Nibiru and DRNM. It made Salad and Danger Thunder a riskier option to play. Sky Strikers and Orcust didn’t have as big of an issue with Nibiru and DRNM. The later you go into the year, the better sky striker orcust becomes and this kind of breaks the beautiful dynamic of the format. I think the best point would be the July banlist of that year for the reasons mentionen.
Agreed, July banlist also made a shit ton of rogue good stuff show up after the release of BLHR too.
I think that's the best for TOSS format, but february 2020 is the best VRAINs format '.'
@@Marcusjnmc people might not like to hear that cause they'll see SPYRAL and immediately dismiss it, but agreed that was a nice format too.
@@andrewhunter596 Spyral is just 1 of 2 very viable combo decks in it, the other being Lunalights, & niether of them won an event, Nibiru helped the format a lot, Shaddolls/Invoked, Dinosaurs, Salad, Endymion are all relatively meta alongside them, & there are some neat relatively balanced control decks like Guru & Titan control too
& Cyber Dragon, @Ignister, Ancient Warrior, Danger! Gren Maju & Cubics are all fun decks that while not as viable are more viable/actually exist unlike in the prior format dominated by Striker/Orcust, there's even a playable Orcust deck still in the format, just the most balanced incarnation of it to ever exist
Hard disagree, before the tin promos it was obnoxious trying to stop those decks from doing anything in certain scenarios, and it got to the point where breaking an established board pretty much wasn't reasonable to accomplish with your available card economy. October 2019 was definitely the most well balanced of the Toss formats, and I feel people just lust after the absurd power ceilings that were reachable in July 2019. I understand the appeal, don't get me wrong, but after the promos, builds had to become more reserved. Danger Thunder (for example) was forced to pivot into Pure/Stunder builds and I personally think that's the more interesting way to play the deck, and resulted in the pilots having to be smarter to continue to succeed with the deck. The interplay between the decks still existed, it had just shifted and evolved. The only blight I would argue is that Striker Orcust rose in prominence around that time.
My buddies and I all have a goatz Edison, and hat decks. We just love older formats
what the heck, the room looks like an extension of your outfit. very aesthetic video
Inov fomat is great. I've built 4 ycs Bochum 2016 top Decks irl (abc, lightsworn, metalfoe, paleo) and am planning on building toad heroes and blue eyes to complete the format. Played alot of it with my buddies
^.^ I've played Darklords, Igknights & Burning Abyss/Phantom Knights in that format, Paleo is my favourite there though
i just wish that ddd is also a competent deck during that format but the delay of the structure deck is such a bumer
@@nicholaswong955 some people play the post structure format, & you can too, nothing stops you, Edison was also a very short format historically, INOV has rogue decks that are more viable than they would be there though, including what are some people's favourites PK Fire, Toad HERO & Blue Eyes, off that alone it's bound to be played more.
Tengu Plant format is definitely my favorite. It is like a better Edison format.
the editing is so well done!
Btw Nirvana High Paladin is constantly used as meme, but its effect is actually pretty easy
Im getting ready to play in nekroz 2015 format. Waiting for ritual beast deck to arive. I love how much game seems different :)
What about DuelAliance format or at least an early Pendulum era one?
There are so many by now iconic and beloved decks in here. BA, Shaddooll, Magician or if you felt like losing even Satellarknight.
Yeah DUEA was a sweet format especially when it first came out. Not sure I’d play it all the time but I’d love an opportunity to play soul charge at 3 again. Very much the two best decks were shaddoll and BA but soul charge really opened up the pool of rouge decks.
Based Ed Edd and Edison reference
gotta say your new intro is really nice!
these alt format videos have mbt progressively looking more and more like a young ron weasley
The modern consensus in goat is that metamorphosis is somewhat overrated and that everybody was just bad at the game back then.
It do win games tough
Dimension fusion was way better than metamorphosis, especially when you had access to cards like return from the different dimension as well
GeistD went second place in world a few days ago. Goat Control just made a major comeback. It isn't that the players are stupid. It is that we as a community come further in solving goat format.
Very excited for all these formats, and also I hope Inov takes off since it's be weird for there to be no popular legacy formats in between HAT and TOSS
Nekroz is the most popular format inbetween HAT & TOSS , I'm a fan of INOV though
@@Marcusjnmc That's true but I'm not interested in tier 0 formats personally
its not like zoodiac tier 0 deck there deck that completely washed the deck like ba and ritual beast
I don't believe Royal Oppression is that big of a problem in Edison.
There are many deck that don't really care much about like Gladiator Beasts, Frog Monarch, Black wings and Vaiju.
Gladiators care a lot about special summoning, it's how they trigger their effects. How are you supposed to win without gyzarus too
I'm most excited about Edison and HAT. The former because it is most akin to when I stopped playing. The latter because it is the most diverse since then.
PCM (Perfect Circle Monarchs) is a fantastic alt format; it's a nice halfway house between goat and Edison and also incredibly cheap
Might just be nostalgia glasses, but I remember it was really fun playing on Dueling Network at whatever point it was in 2012/2013 after inzektors/windups etc had all been hit but before the dragon rulers came out. Loads of diversity, top decks were strong but didn't feel oppressive..... wonder if that format will ever show up as a time wizard event
that format does seem kind of nice , unless it gets more popular though it's doubtful an ots would run an event for it , some of the decks from around then also see play in HAT format too , I want to play my Geargias in that format too though
Hello! I am currently running this format (Abyss Rising format specifically) on stream, and it's a great time!
Its a fantastic format, and its at a point where a lot of rogue decks can utilise generic traps to keep up fairly well. I remember playing Jurracs, Evols, Warrior Rabbit, and other dumb decks on DN and doing ok. Its got a fairly sizeable card pool but its not that hard to go through all the cards.
Also it has the best deck ever of Chaos Dragons.
That era after the Four Horsemen (DIno Rabbit, Inzektors, Wind-Ups and Chaos Dragons) got wrecked in some shape or form but before Rulers were released was so fun. tbh even after DRs I was still pulling out wins with Dark Worlds. It was Hidden Arsenal 7 that wrecked it for me with Evilswarm.
i'd love to try out a DUAE format tournament, me with structure deck rarity Shaddolls against like... Farfa's first Burning Abyss list
TOSS format was my first format when I got into the game so I have a bit of nostalgia from it
I wonder if we could Time Wizard back to 2008 for some TeleDAD, Lightsworn, Glad Beast duels. I really enjoyed that format despite it being one of the "dark ages" in YGO.
I think that era kind of runs into edison format, glad beasts, a nerfed/evolved version of tele-DAD & lightsworn are all still playable there, it's not the same but it can be worth joining in with that to play those cards with a pretty active playerbase
@@Marcusjnmc it does but I specifically am looking for that era of pre bans because while yes the decks were definitely broken for their times I like that was this kinda "Clash of the Titans" feeling to it. While historically that format is remembered for TeleDAD dominating everything having played that format first hand I can say that both Glad Beast and Lightsworn were able to breakthrough at lower levels which history often doesn't show.
Would love to play Toss, because Lunalight is legal and practically at full power.
I kinda cringe at the fact that the Reaper section uses Caius as the example of a Monarch since it didn’t exist then.
Hopefully if Konami wants to run old format events there will be some staple reprints coming with
MBT out here about to ace his OWL exams
I didn't know Ed Shereen played Yu-Gi-Oh!
For me its march 2007 format. That sweet spot before glad beasts and just after graceful and last wills ban
I personally look forward to the 2010 timeline~ Yu-Gi-Oh! World Championship 2010 Reverse of Arcadia has given me plenty of chances to see what works and what doesn’t in that period. A good time for my warriors to shine!
Edison format, nostalgic for me
“Oh u summoned colossus yay...”
Here’s the thing though...Colossus against the other decks was varied? Orcust and Salad outed it through his protection effect (and Orcust just did not care about Colossus at all as well) so it was really Striker that had a problem. Pure Thunder relied on Titan and Danger Thunder needed the extra negates that Agarpain brought out to not get clapped by Orcust. This is why Thunder was considered the weakest of the 4 TOSS decks compared to Salad, Striker and Orcust before the Mega Tin Promos and October Banlist. Don’t let your hate boner for how they expanded Thunder Dragon into an archetype influence how it actually performed.
The funny thing is, by October they shifted to pure/stunder (which was when I picked up the deck) and because of how you shifted your strategy, alot of matchups shifted in your favor. You could play under Nib by setting up Lambda with Gamma in hand, get an Apo up by fifth summon, or just sit on Titan+Colossus and backrow. The backrow options were pretty decent too, sitting on Macro/DiFi just shit on Orcust and Salad, Titan and Colossus kept their protection through skill drain and survived Torrential, and tributing off extra Colossus for virus fodder just gave insane amounts of control to good pilots. Plus you were maining Nib and Phantazmay anyway, so your hts were super high impact. Hell, you could afford to main Lancea purely for the mirror and Orcust matchups, and that was huge as well. To top it all off, Aloof was pretty much impossible to handtrap as a starter since it banished for cost. I think these things just got overshadowed by people trying to force danger Thunder to work because they were still chasing the high from the power ceiling of July Danger Thunder, and things like Striker Orcust rising yo prominence (sick fucking deck as well btw, but fuck 3 engage lmfao.)
Man I loved Maximum crisis format with Zoo, draco, dino, metalfoes, invoked, abc, Paleo and 60 cards while the format was fairly figured out there was still alot of variations between decks and techs and it led to very skill based matches... Bar the matches that just auto ended to master piece, vfd, non destroyable crystalwing
I want to play the format that existed for like 2 weeks when all of the big dragon rulers were limited, dark matter was released, and snatch steal was playable at 1
Aw MBT sure look like a good boy like this my mommy instinct want to give him a headpat
Problem with TOSS is mermaid being banned is good for a lot of the formats health but pre Nibiru is also good for its health.
Trickstar bans because of ANY 2 MONSTERS also kinda stung I felt. lightstage probably deserved it since it is an incredible consistency card out of archetype but I really enjoyed playing against that deck (as long as they didn't open reincardnation+droll lul). I was sad to see it just straight up vanish like it did. Then even sadder when the burn players all started using mine instead.
What fun and informative video.
Yes october 2019 was peak yugioh imho. Goat wishes to be as good as TOSS
february 2020 was better than october 2019 '.' far far far more deck diversity
@@Marcusjnmc deck diversity doesn't necessarily make a good format necessarily. Goat claims to have a lot of decks and I hate the format
@@skailerderkonigderdiebe5499 YCS 200 was a better one deck format than October 2019 too, if you'd rather avoid deck diversity, Pure Striker Mirror > Orcust/Striker Mirror
a lot of the deck diversity of february '20 also comes out of the format just being more balanced though, the most broken decks of the format both being hurt by both Droll & Nibiru helps balance a lot, & Winda is relatively easy to handle with Dark Ruler in the format on top of Imperm & with Schism not having been released yet so it's generally a target for those start of turn, which opens the door to a plethora of rogue decks to be played
INOV Format was amazing!
Honestly, my favorite format was pre-sub combo triangle zoo format. The 1 format I didnt mind playing with/against a basically tier 0 deck because every game felt way different due to tech choices and counterplay between the 3 main zoo builds
2:27I like how you put nirvana high paladin ( the literal decade old card that never saw any play in a competetive deck) an example of modern ygo
It does has a lot of words
In the last couple videos I've seen the lotion in the left corner show up then leave multiple times & I find it to be more hilarious each time
Based video MBT
You can tell he started studying law around this time due to how bad he was trying to make that lawyer look work in this video
I actually knew the guy that created the concept of HAT...may he rest in peace
I love HAT from the bottom of my heart, peak yugioh, and thats not because its when i started, i started when the tcg released in NA, or Canada at least.
7:44 I can hear an angry tatsym typing lmao
If I had to pick a favourite historical format, it would probably be Goat control, I first started playing the game outside of the playground at school around this time and because I couldnt really get ahold of the cards for the "standard" goat control deck, I actually ended up playing a deck the revolved around xyz dragon cannon utilizing cards like dimension fusion and return from the different dimension and I had quite a lot of success with it. i honestly dont think I would be playing the game currently if not for my experience back then, as while I did stop playing the game after goat format ended, because of my fond memories of the game and my love of frogs, I came back to the game just in time for the frog ftk deck using substitoad (yeah, i know its degenerate, but I love frogs too much to care lol).
I'm personally someone who simps for nekroz format.
If you take a moment to look past the obvious best deck in nekroz you've got a widely diverse range of competitive decks that are distinctly different from one another.
Hair looks great here 👍
sick Flanders cosplay MBT!
Edison is the only format I ever want to play
based
DM: Goat
GX: Reaper
5Ds: Edison
Zexal: HAT
Arc-V: best deck
Vrains: TOSS
He keeps trolling us with the lotion XD. The first two times, it disappeared at 0:07 and now it appears at 0:07 haha.
For the past few years me and my friends have been play CRV Goat Format which is the same banlist but includes Exarion and CRV into the card pool which namely adds Cyber Dragon and its Fusions which also makes Cyber-Stein viable, so this is very similar to your "Reaper Format" but with the Goat Format banlist. But with Goat Control at full power, the Cyber-Stein OTK is actually very stoppable and often backfires lol
I'm big on playing Cyber Dragons so for every Time Wizard Format I get into I intend to play Cyber Dragons if they're playable and they're somewhat playable in almost every format but very good in TOSS and maybe a 2016-2017 format that has Infinity in it, like that ABC Format I guess, CyDra Orcust was a tier 1 deck back in 2019 so if that was at full power for TOSS that's probably what I'd run, CyDra is a little jank in Edison but it's semi-playable and meshes well with some of the cards at the time like Dimension Fusion or Return, since Cyber Valley, Overload Fusion and Eltanin can quickly fill your banish pile. Also DNA Surgery + Chimeratech Fortress is insanely funny in Edison lol
The lotion lore is my favorite part of this series
Sept 2010 pre-STOR is largely unexplored and pretty diverse
June 2011 (early tengu plant) has no BLS and doesn't have TGU in every deck.
When I first heard the term "Time Wizard Format", I thought it actually referred to a format where Time Wizard was a good card.
I like how he mentions every good format we've ever had except Duelist Alliance, he really wants to piss Farfa off. XD
Honestly I think that early 2014 format is healthier than HAT format because Soul Charge was not out yet. Soul Charge at 3 is complete nonsense and is unfortunately a problem for HAT format according to me.
I like that format more too, I still like HAT, but pre Soul Charge I have more fun with
And once again the bottle at 0:08 used instant Transmission. It really is goku afterall...
A big reason why Goat lists moved away from pure control was the banning of Exarion Universe. Exarion was commonly played in Goat format lists until a few years ago. Losing a big dark that could punish goats, reaper, weenie sets took away a lot of aggro/pressure from control lists
It wasn’t that Exarion Universe was banned. It was a matter of when precisely the wave of tins containing Exarion Universe became tournament legal versus when Cybernetic Revolution became legal. There was a debate over this for a long time because Upper Deck tournament policy at the time was weird. It was eventually decided that Exarion Universe was never legal before Cyber Dragon was, and so Goat Format now definitively removes those tins from the card pool. TBH, it was probably for the best, since Exarion Universe’s presence made Scapegoat an actively bad card, and now there are a bunch of viable tech choices that were outclassed by Exarion Universe.
WHAT DOES THE LOTION MEAN!!!
I like the proffesional look
I wish more duelist alliance formats were played
You look good look really smart and you know what you are talking about
Also you look like ron weasley
I hope some TOs will make dragon ruler rejuv one. I actually love that format when playing with friends.
HAT was great, i played Evols at the time cause Singularity made that deck good and it was a blast to play
Damn MBT be lookin extra cute today
Honestly T.O.S.S was an amazing formant where the banlist instead of nuking evey deck forced every player to reimagined or even build new old decks. Example salamangreat's arguably became stronger when they stoped going staleo turbo and looked to other tech choices still has the clogged up extra deck sadly... plus after the initial combos there were still back and forth slug matches.
wait, they announced all those formats starting this year? That's crazy, I would expect that to have happened way earlier, some way to get newer players introduced into the game and later try and get them to play other formats. Ah well. For now, I'll go play the N/R event with metalfoes. The decklist for that is really good.
*goes to TCGPlayer* "Wait! Where's my Senior Discount!" I've been on and off Yu-gi-oh sense before its North American inception, aka I bought Starter Decks and LOB before they were officially released because my Store just, had them on the shelf whats a street date back in 2001/2002.
Lotion
2015 Nekroz Mirror format leggo.