I also confused it thinking it was banned in 2017 and I honestly don't remember it seeing play after 2017 so I just assumed it was banned then. I did not know it lived into vrains airing
To be fair it probably felt like a lot longer than it was because we had it on sims since its release in Japan but Konami TCG waited like 2.5 years to import it because they *knew* it would be broken and they also knew they couldn't hit it because pre-MR5 so many people wanted that card to exist so that synchros would be playable. It was definitely around for longer than it should've been and many other cards died for its sins before they finally got rid of it, but it technically wasn't as long as it felt in the TCG.
Halq should've had an errata where it and the tuners it summoned could not be used as Link material. Either since release, or since Konami saw how it was being used.
Card was so dumb. I would sit in vanity’s and wicked witch so I couldn’t die and opp couldn’t play 💀 idk how it stayed along for so long either. And why can I chain this card to your eff to special so you can’t 😃
There was a big chunk of time in 2016-2017 where everyone was playing TT and lots of people main decked it. I genuinely don’t feel like it was that bad for a while. Definitely deserves to stay on the list tho.
Mid-late 2018 was awesome. so many fun and playable decks. people were still holding onto older decks that could use some of the new link monsters like Dinosaur while also embracing Salamangreat, Gouki, Trickstar and new this year, Sky Striker. I had a blast playing Dinos at the time. Shame Gumblar was legal.
@@lloydbagby8355summon sorc always felt like a win more card to me. In hands you would make it you were usually already in a winning position with that hand.
I'm so happy this video contains so many good, detailed breakdowns of a bunch of these examples. Especially Des Feral Imp. That card ruined such a pivotal format in Yugioh's history, it really deserved to be analyzed and discussed in the way MBT did. Truly a twitter thread of all time.
As a big Edison fan, I legitimately want to hear MBT's rant about Oppression. Personally, I think it's fine as there are to many effects that it doesn't hit like Vayu or Treeborn that allow strong plays to happen even under Oppression. Additionally, the card being 2 sided is interesting and forces you to only play it when you feel like you have control of the game, almost making it a "win more" card. But that's my take on it, I'm curious what MBT thinks, so I'm sad the rant got cut.
@@magnus13245 I love that he actually looks through the decks that have just topped the most recent tournament. Probably the easiest way to lend authority to his POV. PWWB and trap stun are often game winning if you can chain them to oppression mid-push. One stacks a dead card on top of their deck when they are going to need to contest your field. Trap stun locks the opponent under their OWN floodgate after you’ve comboed on them.
I wish we could do the opposite and add a card to format card pools. I would totally play Swordsoul Branded format forever if Mathmech Circular was in the format so Mathmech could be a viable deck like it was in Master Duel.
This also makes deck can't cheese out win game1 with main decking cards like DBarrier since it's a blank vs Mathmech. Striker won YCS exactly this way and I think it would be impossible if Circular is in the format.
I'll argue that's because it's not that sacky. It's good for sure, but there are other cards in Edison that spike way harder than Dustshoot. There are very few instances where Dustshoot on its own is gonna be a total blow-out.
@@Dramatic_Gaming nah dustshoot is extremely sacky and can 100% determine the outcome of a game and the fact it’s at 1 makes it worse. Though, 3 dustshoot in goat is also pretty annoying.
Edison revolves around many what ifs. "What if my opponent has Heavy storm? " "What if my opponent has Gorz? " What if my opponent has Ryko? " .Hand knowledge is so busted knowing you can play by ignoring specific threats. Pair it with the ability to remove a crucial normal summon/combo piece (I.e. goblin zombie) and you will make your opponent fall so behind in tempo that's really difficult for you to lose. Arguably in goat it is more okish even at 3. The pace is generally slower and you are able to recover momentum by just resolving a normal spell.
I got into competitive during toss format and it was genuinely really fun, I even went back with a few friends and had a blast. Except for thunder dragon colossus, not thunder in general, just colossus in particular.
Colossus was all OVER the thread, I just didn't want to use it. For me, it was such an integral part of Thunder AND the format (Striker was VERY clearly the best deck sans Colossus Turbo) that I'd feel uncomfortable saying "the combo build of Thunder, which was arguably the worse one, is the "T" in "TOSS."
God that early day of master duel is just like in hell, every game you either playing againts full power drytron, floodgate eldlich and tri brigade zoodiac with milion handtrap.
@@jabermogwai5996 oh my favorite of all time. Back when I was so new to yugioh (yugi boomer returned) and getting pissed that ash blossom or imperm Insta beat junk synchron/synchrons in general
Ehhh, it depends. My issue is that it favors mostly already great decks. That being said, it's a format where Cold Wave is legal and isn't a big deal so...
Right now there’s and XYZ festival in master duel and they have Flying C legal. Prevents your opponent from XYZ summoning in the XYZ festival. So people are running slower control decks that don’t use XYZ decks. Best decks are Labyrinth, Ben kei otk, and witchcrafter.
Wasn't that already a problem with earlier festivals that people just played Eldlich and shit that didn't even use the ED? How haven't they fixed that problem yet?
Good news, XYZ roach got sniped. Bad news, you're still playing in the XYZ festival. I figured Zoo was still one of the best decks, 4 mat Zeus and a gorillion hand traps ain't nothing to scoff at. Even if the bug went though, you've definitely got enough disruption to live for a turn.
I still say in HAT vanity's is vastly overstated as good and Maxx C is also alright. Maxx C is only good against select decks and many decks can afford to just pass and lose a few life points. Vanity's people literally don't even run in that format. Seriously look at the deck lists of people winning events people are running for the format and tell me how many people are main decking let alone playing it. It's bad in a format with hands and 3x Artifact Sanctum 3x Artifact Ignition and ANY backrow that removes a guy and sends to GY. It's not good, seriously play the format.
That's why I don't play combo decks, like good job going -1 when you shotgunned it in response to Fish Sonar when I'm just going to normal summon Ocean Dragon Lord - Kairyu-Shin.
Im surprised nobody mentioned Djinn in Nekroz format, Kaiser Colosseum with Bujins, the Master Plan situation whenever Spyral is meta, Fusion sub/Norden in Zoo meta...
a bit surprised the Dark Armed Dragon wasn't mentioned, I remember during History of Jank, during "TeleDAD Format" almost every week one or both would say something to the effect of "both of these decks are good and fun and interesting, unfortunately this was during TeleDAD".
TOSS Format; I can back the hate for Engage into Engage, but I still can't believe someone Ok'ed a non once per turn combination of Forbidden Chalice + Mind Control.
To the person in chat who said "Half the Format?? It's 3 cards!" In response to the trinity reply: In a 40 card deck, drawing >=1 of a set of 3 cards is a little under 35%. Given they're basically always in both players' decks, that means there's ~56% of games starting with either Pot, Graceful or Duo.
Highkey, on oppression exactly, I think that it's perfectly fine before ~solved~ edison's. For exactly what was mentioned, but Edison ~solved~ gives modern deckbuilding an advantage
@@Finalblue1234 the TCG is lucky there. On the OCG, it was only banned last summer, when Circular got released and @Ignister used the Mathmech XYZ to search it.
Yeah, the card is a conditional draw 2 in HAT except when Soul Charge, but then again, SOUL CHARGE. That's strong, but not format-warping strong... well, is kinda format-warping, but in the "No, Infernity isn't a tier 1" *which is actually a good thing.* It became busted the next format with Pendulums and Shadolls... Or was it during PePe? I'm sure it was during MR3 though because the game became addict to special summon.
Seeing the developments in HAT are super interesting. Handtraps are more popular and some builds of decks have changed. The new best deck, CAT is countered by HAT funnily enough, so new players often get a favorable matchup against the best deck since everyone starts off by playing the namesake deck of the format!
I'm just posting the comment because he skipped Thunder Dragon Colossus. There were multiple people who said they genuinely liked TOSS format, except for Colossus, and Joseph just skipped over them every single time.
Also, given how they never bothered to understand the other decks in the format and thus played them like dog water still makes me think it is a good format.
I’ve been playing Goat semi competitively for a year now. Graceful and Pot are fine in isolation, but I legitimately believe the format is ruined by Delinquent Duo. I cannot stress how incredibly frustrating it is to just instantly lose from duo hitting a one in five in your opener and sniping your chaos, your own trinity, etc. I’ve decided to give up on it entirely because the ceiling is so high that often it just comes down to “who gets trinity first” and that sucks
Reminds me of how old Magic was in that there was a lot of good mana acceleration and card draw spells only it didn’t really matter as the best boards to end on involved like, a 7/6 with a penalty effect that could also die to the loads of excellent removal spells in the format as well. Discard spells usually weren’t an issue because they tended to be overcosted but yeah, everyone would have played Hymn to Tourach (similar card to Duo) if it didn’t cost anything lol.
Agreed, I think Graceful and Pot are fine mostly since they don't change game state THAT much (7 cards to 6 is fine) but Duo is just a win the game card going first or even second a lot of the time. It's way too strong if you hit ANYTHING good with it and being at 4 cards to 5 with an established board matters way more than 6 cards to 7 from Pot or whatever.
@Seven Nights 6 to 7 and 6 to 4 (while your opponents loses a card as well) is the same thing (in both cases you make card economy 17% better than your opponent's). The problem arises when your opponent resolves Duo when he is already ahead in card advantage: -Opponent has 6 cards and you have 5: by resolving POG he would shift card economy in his favour by 17%. If he resolves Duo: he passes from 6 to 5 while you pass from 3 to 5, summed up he gets a 23% advantage. -Opponent has 6 and you have 4: doing the same calcs your opponent gains 33% by Duo. On the other hand, and I'll save you the cals, when you are behind in card advantage you ALWAYS want to resolve POG instead of Duo cause the net gain is higher. That being said: POG and Duo are equally sacky depending on the game state. The thing is you can still play around Duo in some capacity (i.e. sinister serpent, Thunder dragon, Assailant) while if they resolve POG you just have to deal with it. To sum it up: Graceful>>POG>Duo. Peeking your top 3 while setting up your GY and turning it to a plus 1 thanks to Serpent, Assailant or TD makes it hands down the most sacky card in Trinity. Edit: Also filling up your GY after being hit by Duo helps Chaos a lot. Another argument in favour of POG being better.
on the contrary, i think graceful is definitely the most toxic of the three. there are so many ways to play around Duo, or to construct your deck in such a way as to minimize the EV of duo. you can play thunder dragon, night assailant or sinister serpent. you can play a deck like warrior that sets its hand. but with graceful charity, the ability to sculpt your hand, to see three deep, to convert into a plus one with the same cards that stymie duo, to set up your graveyard...this one card does WAY too much.
@@ivanmaterazzo2631 Running night assailant or TD is not "playing around Duo" it's deckbuilding and even then it is only a deckbuilding choice available to basically 1 deck, Chaos. See how many people are running night assailant and TD in Warrior or any deck that is not chaos. That's not an argument for it being worse, that's an argument for it making one deck better. Serpent at least is flexible but it's also a 1 of so saying "hopefully duo hits when you have serpent" is wishful thinking. My point was also that being down cards at the start is significantly worse than both players being up cards but having 6 or more to choose from. I would argue having 3 cards against 4 is a bigger disadvantage than 6 cards against 7, that was the whole point. You have less tools to problem solve with and less ways to hit your engine and cohesive strategy. Some decks do very well on fewer cards (Warrior) but Chaos and basically every other deck can feel really bad when you only have a few cards and can't put everything together. Generally I think Pot and to a lesser extent Graceful can definitely sack games but over the course of a long game generally both players have a good chance to see it whereas Duo is basically disastrous early game and horrible the rest of it. Not to mention ripping cards can hit key pieces (Warrior lady, Breaker, BLS, Chaos Sorc) and leave your deck without important parts which is much worse than your opponent having 1 extra card generally.
I personally can't wait for Cyber-Stein to come fully back, just so I can get that rush from Stein/Last Warrior/Light of Intervention/Mind Drain/Anti-Spell Fragrance combos....
The hat slander in this video is unbearable, maxx c, hands and vanties aren't even that good in the format, maxx c is the best of those but it's hardly game warping like it is in the future, hands arent even in the best deck and vanties is about as good as oppresion is in goat
MBT: "Maxx "C" warps any format it's in around it, I do not understand why people enjoy this card in any format." Also MBT: "Royal Oppression in Edison is completely fine. I hope you're ready for my thesis on why I think this."
If you haven’t played Edison (I would recommend trying it) it really is only a powerful card but not even universally useful. One of the most common boss monsters in the format is caius which easily outs it or ignores it and dominates the board because it’s two sided Almost every deck can out it and Edison is a pretty slow format so they have time to find the outs plus it’s quite hard to set up otks and people just play monster removal so it being reciprocal really does matter
Just because Royal Oppression is a win con 2-3 years after Edison doesn't mean it is a win condition in Edison. Maxx C, at one point, was legal to play, and arguably a bad card against any deck that wasn't Six Sams.
Believe it or not, the consensus on Vanity’s was that it was a bad card up until Ruler format when 1 guy topped a YCS with 3 in his deck. The combination of Rulers being the first good deck that could abuse it and most good decks running less and less back row made this card a must play. When it came out, there weren’t many hand traps so you had to have the maxed out Solemn package, and other good traps, in order to have a chance at most games and Vanity’s contradicted that mindset since it would send itself to the grave the second you tried to stop a Normal Summon.
Also Emptiness was bad because MST was literally Twin Twisters against that card. And you couldn't turn it off super easily without going neg. Eventually both of those stopped mattering.
Your point on Tengu Plant only furthers my theory that Synchro Players have just been gaslighting people into thinking that Combo is the only way the game should be played.
Yeah if I see someone complaining about oppression being the biggest problem with edison format I immediately know they’re either new to edison or just bad. Every deck mains backrow removal and there are plenty of ways to deckbuild around it that don’t add dead cards to your deck against half the format like maining 3 cosmic in 2023 might. Dustshoot, mind/brain con, future fusion and gorz have stolen far more games than oppression ever will.
Kudos for fast-forwarding the Royal Oppression explanation. You either flip it after combo's been established and keep control of the board, or you don't, but even if you don't it is a terrible card to have in the format. BLS in Tengu is nowhere as bad as BLS in Goats. Still pretty powerful yes, but by then there were more tools against it. Solemn Warning, Veiler, it could eat an Honest/Gorz/Trago, get Gale'd and having Synchros means more decks can more consistently get rid of it in general. On the other hand Edison is like going back to the Synchro era without half of the most iconic cards in the Synchro era like Quickdraw, the Plant engine, Veiler, Duality, Agents, post-FTK Frog variants, T.G, omni-HERO decks (not just Ab 0), usable but adequately restricted variants of DARK, LS, and Blackwings, etc. Edison has its charm but I think it is oversold in these takes.
0:07 Is this the first time MBT's intros would be edited to be cartoon intro references? 0:18 Thanks Dire for keeping the failed takes 2:50 Thanks again Dire
I honestly wish that Konami would ban cards that permanently stop your opponent from Special summoning or activating effects because I came to play a 2 player card game not a 1 player Solitaire.
Special summoning is how the game became solitaire in the first place. Getting rid of it is just one step among many if you want the game to be a 2 player game again.
As someone who exclusively plays goat format I have to agree. For the most “skilled” format there are some games that are ended simply because the opponent opened dustshoot duo or charity faith and you don’t have NOC
Because no one even plays Cold Wave in Edison format. Like Opression Edision is just the right pace the card simply isn't that good. Heavy Storm is way stronger.
For context in the last large online Edison tournment (Deck Devistators 3) one deck in the top 12 mained Cold wave and one mained Oppression. Thats it.
@@ducky36FThere are some decks who play Cold Wave, most notably Lightsworms... who are amazing against backro anyways so is more of an assurance for specific decks than an actual great card.
As a big hat format player (and yugituber ;) ) maxx c is very good and healthy for the format Contrary to joseph's belief, no, you shouldn't just play combo decks, especially when nowadays everyone is maining maxx c and if you don't side 3 crows you're insane, that's easily proven by the most competitive hat tournament on 2022 having 5 CAT (Cardcar artifact traptrix) 6 Geargia and 5 mermail pilots with only 1 infernity pilot out of 21 people. Also the best deck that main decks vanity's is sylvan and sylvans are... not very good in the modern HAT Metagame. But sure, it is annoying, especially when infernity (an actual decent deck) plays it, but it's irrelevant enough in the format for me to really not care Pleiades is very strong, yeah, i would know, i'm the only person in 2022 to top with constellars (i also mained vanity's lol). Though, Felgrand > Pleaides If you get handed, git gud, there's a reason CAT is now the best deck and HAT is mostly just an inferior deck (with a very strong CAT matchup though). There's also a reason why geargia hands is the best geargia build, cause if you set it it's a lot harder to play around it by just getting good and putting your monsters in defense position On another note, fuck geargia's soul charge, holy shit there is no more frustrating feeling than finally wittling the geargia pilot's resources only for them to soul charge and go +4 on you. And that's why i'm currently on Geargiakuri with 3 soul charge :) I don't even hate soul charge in the format, i think it's fine for every other deck, even infernity, i only hate it in geargia
Dustshoot in a lot of older formats, particularly Edison. Going 1st in Edison is already ridiculously powerful due to the nature of the format (flip monster prevalence, recruiter prevalence, strong Traps), on top of drawing turn 1. If you're going 2nd and get Dustshoot flipped on you it feels almost impossible to come back. I despise Oppression with the hatred of a thousand burning suns, but at least the card keeps Frogs and Zombies from being leaps better than like every other deck. Dustshoot just sacks games for no reason and adds nothing to the format.
I get it to a degree especially from a nostalgia perspective but GOAT format is one the most uninteresting things ever to me and the YugiBoomers dont help
They actually banned "Des Feral Imp" from Celtic Guardian format, it was too easy to search when searching for a "Feral Imp" monsters. Nowadays decks play 39x Feral Imp and 1x Shien Spy to compensate
If anyone hates the Hands, Soul Charge, and the Artifacts a lot then I’d recommend playing Vegas format. It’s the same banlist, but pre Dragons of Legend and Primal Origin.
I think tengu plant is much better if you play pre xyz or maybe only with the structure deck. As soon as you add in leviair and N17 tour guide breaks the game and BLS gets even better as a consequence. Extreme victory format doesn't even have BLS legal yet. I get that tour guide is iconic now and people want to play with it, but in that format it's basically the equivalent of stuff like grinder golem and dandylion post-links.
*sighs* Despite my roommate and I being in the game since it first came out in the west, neither of us were able to really take advantage of the game to play any of its formats to any real degree, so we have no real thoughts on this, sadly. We hope to change that with the local store that recently opened up, but that'll be a long uphill trek.
I think Edison Format is almost perfect... Except for 2 cards: D.A.D and Royal Opression. D.A.D is a better Brionne who makes Blackwing/Vayu decks overtuned, while Royal Opression is just unfun; if either had a once per turn I would be fine with them, but they don't.
I played tengu plant format for a bit, I found it boring, the best thing that came from it for me was that I bought 3 macro and 3 d fissure before it got unbanned. I just play HAT format as my old format.
Dino Rabbit format would be at LEAST as popular as Edison if Wind-Up Hunter were banned. It enabled one of the easiest and most consistent hand loops ever which ruins the entire format
1. That’s simply untrue ocg has maxx c and the best decks across the last two formats have been combo decks 2. Konami isn’t trying to reign in combo decks. One of the key objectives in Konami’s modern card design is that interacting with your opponent, especially in varied ways, is fun. This means combo has some design appeal over control because there are more interaction points in the combo itself and the end board is generally more varied. This is also why hand traps are so prevalent they let both players play at the same time and add way more interaction points while letting the game have a higher power cieling at the same time
@@jamismiscreant7514 Combo isn't what interacts with the opponent. It just gives your opponent more things to try to interact with, thus devaluing every potential interaction by sheer volume. Control *is* interaction. Removal *is* interaction. Playing a card that changes the decisions your opponent was going to make *is* interaction. Playing solitaire is not interaction, even if you try to say that you were hoping someone would jump in at some point to let you pretend like you wanted to let them play with you.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 being able to crack boards is common in modern yugioh implying that in fact combo does interact instead of putting up five negates and negating every card they drew. The sheer number of interaction points is good in that they can all be handtrapped or otherwise interacted with when playing into a board
My answer here is a much more personal vendetta but the bystials hands down almost ruined tear format for me, granted i played sky striker and this was the first format i played but even when i did play tear for all 2 weeks i had it i hated seeing the bystials, it is needed for tear but the bystials+ishizu shufflers made it feel impossible to play striker during that format and its even worse off now, thats partially why im building floo esp post statue ban
I kind of feel ya. Then again, I dislike the Tear format because I hate most of the principal archetypes of the format. But Bystial and Kashtira are really high up there.
You can hear the gist of his argument in the vid. He's trying to argue that Edison has enought swing cards to get rid of it or flip it back, but that doesn't really pan out. There's just as many ways to protect Oppression as there are to pop it, and even if you do clear your opponent's board, as long as Oppression is up, at best you can only go even with your opponent rather than actually getting ahead.
As someone who came back after a decade because of Master Duel, Apollousa. "Once per chain"?!?!? Bitch everything starts a fucking chain! And I hated when Yugitubers said shit like "it's not that bad. Good players will only negate like 1 or 2 things. Learn to play around it." Did they forget that this game would bring in a BUNCH of new players? I faced SO many ppl that would click negate just because it popped up. Getting Apollousa to 0. It was SO annoying!!
I don't want to be that guy but It really isn't that bad. When you put it in context there are 3 naturia cards that don't have the once-per-chain negate and it feels way worst when your opponent can negate your whole chain with a single card.
It's hilarious how they don't hear how stupid it sounds when they say it. Mostly because they're so deadened to the game language that they forget how it translates to english. "Good players will only negate 2 things" translates to "it's fine, you finally get to play the game on your 3rd try" when spoken in human english.
Super Rejuv not only ruins Dragon Ruler mirrors, but somehow also ruins Edison. It should never have been printed. Obviously dragon turbo is not actually a huge problem in edison because there's less than 5 people that are actually willing to take it to a tournament consistently, but it is a huge problem to what is otherwise a fun and interactive format. People always talk about edison without royal oppression or edison without trap dustshoot, but the real ideal bans are: 1) Super Rejuv 2) Poison Draw Frog Bans both solitaire decks and affects nothing else in the format.
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i love how this is the second time MBT has blacked out the fact that soul charge was banned in 2019. on this series specifically too.
He really needs to see a therapist about this soul charge related trauma
Especially wild since he has deck profile videos up from this time running Soul Charge.
The fuck? It was legal that long?
I also confused it thinking it was banned in 2017 and I honestly don't remember it seeing play after 2017 so I just assumed it was banned then. I did not know it lived into vrains airing
@@kyleyuen245 it saw play in gouki extra link and ftk decks, which was... frustrating
I still cannot fathom how Halq lived for as long as it did. So many formats ruined by Halq/Scythe or Halq/Auroradon
To be fair it probably felt like a lot longer than it was because we had it on sims since its release in Japan but Konami TCG waited like 2.5 years to import it because they *knew* it would be broken and they also knew they couldn't hit it because pre-MR5 so many people wanted that card to exist so that synchros would be playable. It was definitely around for longer than it should've been and many other cards died for its sins before they finally got rid of it, but it technically wasn't as long as it felt in the TCG.
I dont think necessarily ruined. Adventure format had a lot of auororadon turbo decks and that was a fun format.
halq was fine without auradon
@@Kevin_Anderson Halq should've joined shuttleroid imo
Halq should've had an errata where it and the tuners it summoned could not be used as Link material.
Either since release, or since Konami saw how it was being used.
I wonder how link format would be rembered, if it didn't start with 5 formats of ftk's
toss carrying whole vrains era for sure
Tier 0 Spyral, I guess. And pendulum, that could FTK you, but didn't have to. XD
@@kucukyilmert Well, TOSS was like 1/3 of the entire vrains era
Gumblar Handloop. Enjoy playing the game with 1 card.
@@sekaihunter9378 0 cards and Extra Link. XD
The fact Vanity’s was legal for so long is truly astounding
Card was so dumb. I would sit in vanity’s and wicked witch so I couldn’t die and opp couldn’t play 💀 idk how it stayed along for so long either. And why can I chain this card to your eff to special so you can’t 😃
Especially in ocg where vanities would probably *still* *be* *legal* if circular was never printed
The fact Vanty's is legal in the OCG until 2022 is even more astounding
There was a big chunk of time in 2016-2017 where everyone was playing TT and lots of people main decked it. I genuinely don’t feel like it was that bad for a while. Definitely deserves to stay on the list tho.
@@ultimetacooler torrential?
Lol, this is the second time MBT just gets completely blindsided by how long soul charge was still legal, and I love it.
I said the same thing, I could have sworn this card was banned back in 2015.
Mid-late 2018 was awesome. so many fun and playable decks. people were still holding onto older decks that could use some of the new link monsters like Dinosaur while also embracing Salamangreat, Gouki, Trickstar and new this year, Sky Striker. I had a blast playing Dinos at the time.
Shame Gumblar was legal.
Eh as broken as gumbler is it not as bad I say summon sorcerer
@@lloydbagby8355summon sorc always felt like a win more card to me. In hands you would make it you were usually already in a winning position with that hand.
I'm so happy this video contains so many good, detailed breakdowns of a bunch of these examples. Especially Des Feral Imp. That card ruined such a pivotal format in Yugioh's history, it really deserved to be analyzed and discussed in the way MBT did. Truly a twitter thread of all time.
HAT is a fun format and I will die on this 5-backrow normal-summon pass-shaped hill!
As a big Edison fan, I legitimately want to hear MBT's rant about Oppression. Personally, I think it's fine as there are to many effects that it doesn't hit like Vayu or Treeborn that allow strong plays to happen even under Oppression. Additionally, the card being 2 sided is interesting and forces you to only play it when you feel like you have control of the game, almost making it a "win more" card.
But that's my take on it, I'm curious what MBT thinks, so I'm sad the rant got cut.
Me too. Im curious when the stream was because I’d go back to find the VOD and listen to it
Here's the link to the VOD where he talks about it and fights chat: th-cam.com/video/Hhf6i0rXsfk/w-d-xo.html
MBT already talked abt Oppression before, TLDR he would agree with u
@@magnus13245 thanks!
@@magnus13245 I love that he actually looks through the decks that have just topped the most recent tournament. Probably the easiest way to lend authority to his POV.
PWWB and trap stun are often game winning if you can chain them to oppression mid-push. One stacks a dead card on top of their deck when they are going to need to contest your field. Trap stun locks the opponent under their OWN floodgate after you’ve comboed on them.
I wish we could do the opposite and add a card to format card pools. I would totally play Swordsoul Branded format forever if Mathmech Circular was in the format so Mathmech could be a viable deck like it was in Master Duel.
This also makes deck can't cheese out win game1 with main decking cards like DBarrier since it's a blank vs Mathmech. Striker won YCS exactly this way and I think it would be impossible if Circular is in the format.
i would move War Rocks and Digital Bugs to edison or an old format
I’m surprised trap dustshoot wasn’t on here. It’s the most sacky card in Edison format that gives you such a massive advantage over your opponent.
I'll argue that's because it's not that sacky. It's good for sure, but there are other cards in Edison that spike way harder than Dustshoot. There are very few instances where Dustshoot on its own is gonna be a total blow-out.
@@Dramatic_Gaming nah dustshoot is extremely sacky and can 100% determine the outcome of a game and the fact it’s at 1 makes it worse. Though, 3 dustshoot in goat is also pretty annoying.
Edison revolves around many what ifs.
"What if my opponent has Heavy storm? " "What if my opponent has Gorz? " What if my opponent has Ryko? " .Hand knowledge is so busted knowing you can play by ignoring specific threats.
Pair it with the ability to remove a crucial normal summon/combo piece (I.e. goblin zombie) and you will make your opponent fall so behind in tempo that's really difficult for you to lose.
Arguably in goat it is more okish even at 3.
The pace is generally slower and you are able to recover momentum by just resolving a normal spell.
@@Dramatic_GamingThat being said, it's only good on early game. It's a total brick in decks who dump their hand like plants or Zombies.
I got into competitive during toss format and it was genuinely really fun, I even went back with a few friends and had a blast. Except for thunder dragon colossus, not thunder in general, just colossus in particular.
Colossus was all OVER the thread, I just didn't want to use it. For me, it was such an integral part of Thunder AND the format (Striker was VERY clearly the best deck sans Colossus Turbo) that I'd feel uncomfortable saying "the combo build of Thunder, which was arguably the worse one, is the "T" in "TOSS."
@@MBTYuGiOh True. Nats version of Crusadia Thunder Dragon was so cool though.
The big issue is, Colossus is a floodgate but a mandatory part of ThunDra combos. If it wasn't a flying Mistake, it likely would've been fine.
Celtic Guardian Format is the greatest running gag of all time
I still can’t believe both IO and Vanity were both legal at the same time on MasterDuel. Awesome game Konami. Thankfully it’s mostly better now.
God that early day of master duel is just like in hell, every game you either playing againts full power drytron, floodgate eldlich and tri brigade zoodiac with milion handtrap.
@@jabermogwai5996 oh my favorite of all time. Back when I was so new to yugioh (yugi boomer returned) and getting pissed that ash blossom or imperm Insta beat junk synchron/synchrons in general
Oppression is completely fine in Edison, even mediocre a lot of the time. You’re right.
Ehhh, it depends. My issue is that it favors mostly already great decks. That being said, it's a format where Cold Wave is legal and isn't a big deal so...
Right now there’s and XYZ festival in master duel and they have Flying C legal. Prevents your opponent from XYZ summoning in the XYZ festival. So people are running slower control decks that don’t use XYZ decks. Best decks are Labyrinth, Ben kei otk, and witchcrafter.
Wasn't that already a problem with earlier festivals that people just played Eldlich and shit that didn't even use the ED? How haven't they fixed that problem yet?
@@youtube-kit9450 They did ban those cards last time we had the Xyz festival. Who knows why they didn't do it for this one as well.
@@youtube-kit9450 ah yes the 1st 5 events were just true Dragco every other game.
Thankfully, an emergency banlist is gonna take care of the flying roach.
Good news, XYZ roach got sniped. Bad news, you're still playing in the XYZ festival.
I figured Zoo was still one of the best decks, 4 mat Zeus and a gorillion hand traps ain't nothing to scoff at. Even if the bug went though, you've definitely got enough disruption to live for a turn.
I still say in HAT vanity's is vastly overstated as good and Maxx C is also alright. Maxx C is only good against select decks and many decks can afford to just pass and lose a few life points. Vanity's people literally don't even run in that format. Seriously look at the deck lists of people winning events people are running for the format and tell me how many people are main decking let alone playing it. It's bad in a format with hands and 3x Artifact Sanctum 3x Artifact Ignition and ANY backrow that removes a guy and sends to GY. It's not good, seriously play the format.
That super rejuvination into super rejuvination thing is the exact reason that I don't like Maxx "C". Whoever opens it first has such an advantage
That's why I don't play combo decks, like good job going -1 when you shotgunned it in response to Fish Sonar when I'm just going to normal summon Ocean Dragon Lord - Kairyu-Shin.
@A Z too bad your deck sucks
@@AZ-rl7pg good luck with that lol
@@xXkinghosssXx I don't know it gets me to Diamond 1 just fine lol
@@xXkinghosssXx didn't someone top with it last format and only lost to time lol
Im surprised nobody mentioned Djinn in Nekroz format, Kaiser Colosseum with Bujins, the Master Plan situation whenever Spyral is meta, Fusion sub/Norden in Zoo meta...
a bit surprised the Dark Armed Dragon wasn't mentioned, I remember during History of Jank, during "TeleDAD Format" almost every week one or both would say something to the effect of "both of these decks are good and fun and interesting, unfortunately this was during TeleDAD".
Dire, the “5 minutes straight of a white man defending oppression” subtitle had me fucking dying 😂
TOSS Format; I can back the hate for Engage into Engage, but I still can't believe someone Ok'ed a non once per turn combination of Forbidden Chalice + Mind Control.
To the person in chat who said "Half the Format?? It's 3 cards!" In response to the trinity reply:
In a 40 card deck, drawing >=1 of a set of 3 cards is a little under 35%. Given they're basically always in both players' decks, that means there's ~56% of games starting with either Pot, Graceful or Duo.
They are limited to 1 cards, so they are not as frequent as you think.
@@duelmasteryuya1205 his math is approximately correct.
@@jamismiscreant7514 Read the comment wrong. Thanks for the correction!
@@jamismiscreant7514 We do a little bit of rounding :)
Add to that Magician of Faith is at 3 and the game is slow enough for flip monsters not to be dogshit
Highkey, on oppression exactly, I think that it's perfectly fine before ~solved~ edison's. For exactly what was mentioned, but Edison ~solved~ gives modern deckbuilding an advantage
Vanity's existing at the same time as Floowandereeze was something that should have been rectified before launch.
Not sure if the facts on that one check out
Unless you're talking about Master Duel, Vanity's has been banned for years lmao
@@Finalblue1234 the TCG is lucky there. On the OCG, it was only banned last summer, when Circular got released and @Ignister used the Mathmech XYZ to search it.
@Finalblue1234 I did, in fact, mean MD.
The fact that it was already gone in the TCG but returned for MD is just komani.
Were both legal in master duel at the same time? I thought they banned it before Floo got added.
2:56 actual anime revolver moment
Every week the intros made by Dire are better than the previous one. Someone give her a raise.
Oppression is fine in edison
>maxx c in hat is not fine lol
Distant is right maxx c in hat is fine
Yeah, the card is a conditional draw 2 in HAT except when Soul Charge, but then again, SOUL CHARGE. That's strong, but not format-warping strong... well, is kinda format-warping, but in the "No, Infernity isn't a tier 1" *which is actually a good thing.* It became busted the next format with Pendulums and Shadolls... Or was it during PePe? I'm sure it was during MR3 though because the game became addict to special summon.
Seeing the developments in HAT are super interesting. Handtraps are more popular and some builds of decks have changed. The new best deck, CAT is countered by HAT funnily enough, so new players often get a favorable matchup against the best deck since everyone starts off by playing the namesake deck of the format!
I'm just posting the comment because he skipped Thunder Dragon Colossus. There were multiple people who said they genuinely liked TOSS format, except for Colossus, and Joseph just skipped over them every single time.
Nothing bad about Dark Hole in Tengu Plants. Its an equalizer.
Also, given how they never bothered to understand the other decks in the format and thus played them like dog water still makes me think it is a good format.
I’ve been playing Goat semi competitively for a year now. Graceful and Pot are fine in isolation, but I legitimately believe the format is ruined by Delinquent Duo. I cannot stress how incredibly frustrating it is to just instantly lose from duo hitting a one in five in your opener and sniping your chaos, your own trinity, etc. I’ve decided to give up on it entirely because the ceiling is so high that often it just comes down to “who gets trinity first” and that sucks
Reminds me of how old Magic was in that there was a lot of good mana acceleration and card draw spells only it didn’t really matter as the best boards to end on involved like, a 7/6 with a penalty effect that could also die to the loads of excellent removal spells in the format as well. Discard spells usually weren’t an issue because they tended to be overcosted but yeah, everyone would have played Hymn to Tourach (similar card to Duo) if it didn’t cost anything lol.
Agreed, I think Graceful and Pot are fine mostly since they don't change game state THAT much (7 cards to 6 is fine) but Duo is just a win the game card going first or even second a lot of the time. It's way too strong if you hit ANYTHING good with it and being at 4 cards to 5 with an established board matters way more than 6 cards to 7 from Pot or whatever.
@Seven Nights 6 to 7 and 6 to 4 (while your opponents loses a card as well) is the same thing (in both cases you make card economy 17% better than your opponent's).
The problem arises when your opponent resolves Duo when he is already ahead in card advantage:
-Opponent has 6 cards and you have 5: by resolving POG he would shift card economy in his favour by 17%.
If he resolves Duo: he passes from 6 to 5 while you pass from 3 to 5, summed up he gets a 23% advantage.
-Opponent has 6 and you have 4: doing the same calcs your opponent gains 33% by Duo.
On the other hand, and I'll save you the cals, when you are behind in card advantage you ALWAYS want to resolve POG instead of Duo cause the net gain is higher.
That being said: POG and Duo are equally sacky depending on the game state.
The thing is you can still play around Duo in some capacity (i.e. sinister serpent, Thunder dragon, Assailant) while if they resolve POG you just have to deal with it.
To sum it up: Graceful>>POG>Duo.
Peeking your top 3 while setting up your GY and turning it to a plus 1 thanks to Serpent, Assailant or TD makes it hands down the most sacky card in Trinity.
Edit: Also filling up your GY after being hit by Duo helps Chaos a lot.
Another argument in favour of POG being better.
on the contrary, i think graceful is definitely the most toxic of the three. there are so many ways to play around Duo, or to construct your deck in such a way as to minimize the EV of duo. you can play thunder dragon, night assailant or sinister serpent. you can play a deck like warrior that sets its hand. but with graceful charity, the ability to sculpt your hand, to see three deep, to convert into a plus one with the same cards that stymie duo, to set up your graveyard...this one card does WAY too much.
@@ivanmaterazzo2631 Running night assailant or TD is not "playing around Duo" it's deckbuilding and even then it is only a deckbuilding choice available to basically 1 deck, Chaos. See how many people are running night assailant and TD in Warrior or any deck that is not chaos. That's not an argument for it being worse, that's an argument for it making one deck better. Serpent at least is flexible but it's also a 1 of so saying "hopefully duo hits when you have serpent" is wishful thinking.
My point was also that being down cards at the start is significantly worse than both players being up cards but having 6 or more to choose from. I would argue having 3 cards against 4 is a bigger disadvantage than 6 cards against 7, that was the whole point. You have less tools to problem solve with and less ways to hit your engine and cohesive strategy. Some decks do very well on fewer cards (Warrior) but Chaos and basically every other deck can feel really bad when you only have a few cards and can't put everything together.
Generally I think Pot and to a lesser extent Graceful can definitely sack games but over the course of a long game generally both players have a good chance to see it whereas Duo is basically disastrous early game and horrible the rest of it. Not to mention ripping cards can hit key pieces (Warrior lady, Breaker, BLS, Chaos Sorc) and leave your deck without important parts which is much worse than your opponent having 1 extra card generally.
Remove duo from goat format... That's it. I'll take all the other degenerate cards but that one legit ruins games.
me: man, dire got away without any Ls this week
dire in the last 5 seconds:
I personally can't wait for Cyber-Stein to come fully back, just so I can get that rush from Stein/Last Warrior/Light of Intervention/Mind Drain/Anti-Spell Fragrance combos....
Don't hold your breath. Superheavy Samurai will break it AGAIN
The Celtic Guardian format post-credits tweet was genius
The hat slander in this video is unbearable, maxx c, hands and vanties aren't even that good in the format, maxx c is the best of those but it's hardly game warping like it is in the future, hands arent even in the best deck and vanties is about as good as oppresion is in goat
This is now the second time where he misremembered Soul Charge being around for so long.
MBT: "Maxx "C" warps any format it's in around it, I do not understand why people enjoy this card in any format."
Also MBT: "Royal Oppression in Edison is completely fine. I hope you're ready for my thesis on why I think this."
If you haven’t played Edison (I would recommend trying it) it really is only a powerful card but not even universally useful.
One of the most common boss monsters in the format is caius which easily outs it or ignores it and dominates the board because it’s two sided
Almost every deck can out it and Edison is a pretty slow format so they have time to find the outs plus it’s quite hard to set up otks and people just play monster removal so it being reciprocal really does matter
Just because Royal Oppression is a win con 2-3 years after Edison doesn't mean it is a win condition in Edison. Maxx C, at one point, was legal to play, and arguably a bad card against any deck that wasn't Six Sams.
BLS also ruins GOAT in a lot of ways. It's the \same issue as Tengu Plant where you just drop it and win
Believe it or not, the consensus on Vanity’s was that it was a bad card up until Ruler format when 1 guy topped a YCS with 3 in his deck. The combination of Rulers being the first good deck that could abuse it and most good decks running less and less back row made this card a must play.
When it came out, there weren’t many hand traps so you had to have the maxed out Solemn package, and other good traps, in order to have a chance at most games and Vanity’s contradicted that mindset since it would send itself to the grave the second you tried to stop a Normal Summon.
Also Emptiness was bad because MST was literally Twin Twisters against that card. And you couldn't turn it off super easily without going neg.
Eventually both of those stopped mattering.
People were also terrible at yugioh until 2014
7:35 _"The chat adds a lot to the discussion and offers interesting opinions"_
Honestly been playing edison so much and trap dust shoot can just win the game by drawing it.
Your point on Tengu Plant only furthers my theory that Synchro Players have just been gaslighting people into thinking that Combo is the only way the game should be played.
Yeah if I see someone complaining about oppression being the biggest problem with edison format I immediately know they’re either new to edison or just bad. Every deck mains backrow removal and there are plenty of ways to deckbuild around it that don’t add dead cards to your deck against half the format like maining 3 cosmic in 2023 might.
Dustshoot, mind/brain con, future fusion and gorz have stolen far more games than oppression ever will.
Kudos for fast-forwarding the Royal Oppression explanation. You either flip it after combo's been established and keep control of the board, or you don't, but even if you don't it is a terrible card to have in the format.
BLS in Tengu is nowhere as bad as BLS in Goats. Still pretty powerful yes, but by then there were more tools against it. Solemn Warning, Veiler, it could eat an Honest/Gorz/Trago, get Gale'd and having Synchros means more decks can more consistently get rid of it in general.
On the other hand Edison is like going back to the Synchro era without half of the most iconic cards in the Synchro era like Quickdraw, the Plant engine, Veiler, Duality, Agents, post-FTK Frog variants, T.G, omni-HERO decks (not just Ab 0), usable but adequately restricted variants of DARK, LS, and Blackwings, etc. Edison has its charm but I think it is oversold in these takes.
MBT is literally babyraging because he didn't even try to learn the format. Tyler at TCGRewind had the patience of a saint in his reaction videos
goat format has a lot of tools to punish a less than skillful bls drop, namely ring and especially snatch steal
Pre-POTE format was so good even with Scythe and Dimensional Barrier, but if those two were just banned, It'd be even better
Can we get an MBT intro that's the Pornhub theme, but instead it says "MBT"
These format would be better if Kashtira wasn't a thing, because unlike with Tear in this format if Kashtira goes off you can't play the game.
It’s really number 89 that’s the biggest problem.
0:07 Is this the first time MBT's intros would be edited to be cartoon intro references?
0:18 Thanks Dire for keeping the failed takes 2:50 Thanks again Dire
I honestly wish that Konami would ban cards that permanently stop your opponent from Special summoning or activating effects because I came to play a 2 player card game not a 1 player Solitaire.
Special summoning is how the game became solitaire in the first place. Getting rid of it is just one step among many if you want the game to be a 2 player game again.
As someone who exclusively plays goat format I have to agree. For the most “skilled” format there are some games that are ended simply because the opponent opened dustshoot duo or charity faith and you don’t have NOC
There are so many ways to deal with faith in goat other than noc but I do agree, opening duo dust shoot gets old really quick
Not enough people talk about Cold Wave in Edison format.
Because no one even plays Cold Wave in Edison format. Like Opression Edision is just the right pace the card simply isn't that good. Heavy Storm is way stronger.
For context in the last large online Edison tournment (Deck Devistators 3) one deck in the top 12 mained Cold wave and one mained Oppression. Thats it.
@@ducky36F or you run both
@@KindredFenrir And then loose to normal summon Caius :P
@@ducky36FThere are some decks who play Cold Wave, most notably Lightsworms... who are amazing against backro anyways so is more of an assurance for specific decks than an actual great card.
verte would be so fine if they limited it a bit more so its actually archetype specific instead of being something every fusion deck runs
As a big hat format player (and yugituber ;) ) maxx c is very good and healthy for the format
Contrary to joseph's belief, no, you shouldn't just play combo decks, especially when nowadays everyone is maining maxx c and if you don't side 3 crows you're insane, that's easily proven by the most competitive hat tournament on 2022 having 5 CAT (Cardcar artifact traptrix) 6 Geargia and 5 mermail pilots with only 1 infernity pilot out of 21 people.
Also the best deck that main decks vanity's is sylvan and sylvans are... not very good in the modern HAT Metagame. But sure, it is annoying, especially when infernity (an actual decent deck) plays it, but it's irrelevant enough in the format for me to really not care
Pleiades is very strong, yeah, i would know, i'm the only person in 2022 to top with constellars (i also mained vanity's lol). Though, Felgrand > Pleaides
If you get handed, git gud, there's a reason CAT is now the best deck and HAT is mostly just an inferior deck (with a very strong CAT matchup though). There's also a reason why geargia hands is the best geargia build, cause if you set it it's a lot harder to play around it by just getting good and putting your monsters in defense position
On another note, fuck geargia's soul charge, holy shit there is no more frustrating feeling than finally wittling the geargia pilot's resources only for them to soul charge and go +4 on you. And that's why i'm currently on Geargiakuri with 3 soul charge :)
I don't even hate soul charge in the format, i think it's fine for every other deck, even infernity, i only hate it in geargia
Based and red pilled take
Dustshoot in a lot of older formats, particularly Edison. Going 1st in Edison is already ridiculously powerful due to the nature of the format (flip monster prevalence, recruiter prevalence, strong Traps), on top of drawing turn 1. If you're going 2nd and get Dustshoot flipped on you it feels almost impossible to come back.
I despise Oppression with the hatred of a thousand burning suns, but at least the card keeps Frogs and Zombies from being leaps better than like every other deck. Dustshoot just sacks games for no reason and adds nothing to the format.
I'm sure oppression doesn't stop Treeborn.
The answer is Flying "C".
Next one should be 'the most pointless eratas in yugioh'
I get it to a degree especially from a nostalgia perspective but GOAT format is one the most uninteresting things ever to me and the YugiBoomers dont help
They actually banned "Des Feral Imp" from Celtic Guardian format, it was too easy to search when searching for a "Feral Imp" monsters. Nowadays decks play 39x Feral Imp and 1x Shien Spy to compensate
If anyone hates the Hands, Soul Charge, and the Artifacts a lot then I’d recommend playing Vegas format. It’s the same banlist, but pre Dragons of Legend and Primal Origin.
I think tengu plant is much better if you play pre xyz or maybe only with the structure deck.
As soon as you add in leviair and N17 tour guide breaks the game and BLS gets even better as a consequence. Extreme victory format doesn't even have BLS legal yet.
I get that tour guide is iconic now and people want to play with it, but in that format it's basically the equivalent of stuff like grinder golem and dandylion post-links.
Djinn ruining an otherwise skillful Nekroz mirror
Huh? You needed skills. Like convincing your opponent to side theirs out while you side yours in.
#ActiveShooter
Careful with using the warner bros intro music; they copy strike creators all the time for using their music.
In a surprising upset, Yu-Gi-Oh players agree that cards that stop you from playing Yu-Gi-Oh isn't fun.
@6:25 Goth Cimooo
7:43 dire what the fuck are you smoking. are you saying verte is/was a good card to ever have exist
100% feral imp in celtic guardian format
*sighs* Despite my roommate and I being in the game since it first came out in the west, neither of us were able to really take advantage of the game to play any of its formats to any real degree, so we have no real thoughts on this, sadly. We hope to change that with the local store that recently opened up, but that'll be a long uphill trek.
I think Edison Format is almost perfect... Except for 2 cards: D.A.D and Royal Opression. D.A.D is a better Brionne who makes Blackwing/Vayu decks overtuned, while Royal Opression is just unfun; if either had a once per turn I would be fine with them, but they don't.
Skyward sword... nice
Delinquent Duo is currently not that good in Goat because the meta is so Chaos heavy. Trap Dustshoot is scarier in Goat than Duo is
I played tengu plant format for a bit, I found it boring, the best thing that came from it for me was that I bought 3 macro and 3 d fissure before it got unbanned. I just play HAT format as my old format.
The Dave Strider shirt set off my flight or fight response dear lord
5:13
"White man"
Tengu plant without tour guide and BLS is an infinitely better format
Dino Rabbit format would be at LEAST as popular as Edison if Wind-Up Hunter were banned. It enabled one of the easiest and most consistent hand loops ever which ruins the entire format
Also is that Skyward Sword's Faron Woods playing in the background?
People coping during hat format like manginas. I seriously doubt they actually played competitively during hat or most of these formats.
0:43 Patrick Hoban was also successful in asking duelists to side out Djinn as well :)
If max c was legal and had a proper balance to it. Combo decks would stop being such assholes
If Maxx C had a cost as strong as it's effect it would. But the fact of the matter is at worst Maxx C does nothing.
1. That’s simply untrue ocg has maxx c and the best decks across the last two formats have been combo decks
2. Konami isn’t trying to reign in combo decks. One of the key objectives in Konami’s modern card design is that interacting with your opponent, especially in varied ways, is fun. This means combo has some design appeal over control because there are more interaction points in the combo itself and the end board is generally more varied. This is also why hand traps are so prevalent they let both players play at the same time and add way more interaction points while letting the game have a higher power cieling at the same time
Counterpoint, if a combo deck gets silly enough "my opponent used Maxx C" becomes a potential FTK.
@@jamismiscreant7514 Combo isn't what interacts with the opponent. It just gives your opponent more things to try to interact with, thus devaluing every potential interaction by sheer volume. Control *is* interaction. Removal *is* interaction. Playing a card that changes the decisions your opponent was going to make *is* interaction. Playing solitaire is not interaction, even if you try to say that you were hoping someone would jump in at some point to let you pretend like you wanted to let them play with you.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 being able to crack boards is common in modern yugioh implying that in fact combo does interact instead of putting up five negates and negating every card they drew. The sheer number of interaction points is good in that they can all be handtrapped or otherwise interacted with when playing into a board
halq and auroradon for years
My answer here is a much more personal vendetta but the bystials hands down almost ruined tear format for me, granted i played sky striker and this was the first format i played but even when i did play tear for all 2 weeks i had it i hated seeing the bystials, it is needed for tear but the bystials+ishizu shufflers made it feel impossible to play striker during that format and its even worse off now, thats partially why im building floo esp post statue ban
I kind of feel ya.
Then again, I dislike the Tear format because I hate most of the principal archetypes of the format. But Bystial and Kashtira are really high up there.
Bystials being quick effects were a massive mistake. If they were just cool extenders for Dragon Link and Branded they'd be way more tolerable.
I hate the design of bystials and really feel they limit what decks are able to be good, but also take that raye
That one dude who said "mpregbt" in chat when the Verte point came up
I am of the belief that Soul Charge lasted so long because the Yugioh community took one look at it and all concluded they were hallucinating.
I actually love the trinity in goat format. I actually think it’d be better off without sinister serpent
early to an mbt wahoo
thta is very poggers
Dingus
We all know tengu plant is the best edison. Its actually the better edison format
I mainly play Goat and the moment someone summons Thousand Eyes Restrict I cry a little inside.
Edison would be near perfect if not for Dustshoot. That card is cancer balls.
Honestly Joseph is right about oppression in Edison. It’s not really super overbearing and I think only black wing plays it
This twitter series just makes it seem like nobody actually likes yugioh
I want to hear MBT's take on Royal Oppression.
Can you please upload it to the clips channel
Then title it something super clickbait like "Oppression is good actually"
You can hear the gist of his argument in the vid. He's trying to argue that Edison has enought swing cards to get rid of it or flip it back, but that doesn't really pan out. There's just as many ways to protect Oppression as there are to pop it, and even if you do clear your opponent's board, as long as Oppression is up, at best you can only go even with your opponent rather than actually getting ahead.
As someone who came back after a decade because of Master Duel, Apollousa. "Once per chain"?!?!? Bitch everything starts a fucking chain! And I hated when Yugitubers said shit like "it's not that bad. Good players will only negate like 1 or 2 things. Learn to play around it." Did they forget that this game would bring in a BUNCH of new players? I faced SO many ppl that would click negate just because it popped up. Getting Apollousa to 0. It was SO annoying!!
I don't want to be that guy but It really isn't that bad. When you put it in context there are 3 naturia cards that don't have the once-per-chain negate and it feels way worst when your opponent can negate your whole chain with a single card.
It's hilarious how they don't hear how stupid it sounds when they say it. Mostly because they're so deadened to the game language that they forget how it translates to english. "Good players will only negate 2 things" translates to "it's fine, you finally get to play the game on your 3rd try" when spoken in human english.
@@DrAiPatch That is very true, I hated those cards as well. But I saw them way, WAY less than Apollousa.
I really wish GOAT format but with the trinity banned was a thing that caught on.
Just play tcg reaper
Super Rejuv not only ruins Dragon Ruler mirrors, but somehow also ruins Edison. It should never have been printed. Obviously dragon turbo is not actually a huge problem in edison because there's less than 5 people that are actually willing to take it to a tournament consistently, but it is a huge problem to what is otherwise a fun and interactive format. People always talk about edison without royal oppression or edison without trap dustshoot, but the real ideal bans are:
1) Super Rejuv
2) Poison Draw Frog
Bans both solitaire decks and affects nothing else in the format.
Dimension barrier about to make a come back….
im surprised we dont have more customized retro formats
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