I can’t believe no one is talking about this, but Yuginono discovered a 4 day format from 2015 where dimension of chaos is legal, along side all the due list alliance decks. It’s called finish line and i recommend checking it out!
Can't believe no one picked the true best retro format, the first one! Who doesn't love normal summoning dark magician and gaia, only to get dark holed into oblivion. Pure grind game as both players wail on each other with silver fang, such incredible diversity too.
I mean yeah it kinda sounds like it could be fun, in the same way that pokemon gen 1 ubers is fun. And I got both those opinions from the same person, he's called Reverend, go watch his videos.
My group has been talking alot about "Dallas Format" which is mid to late 2015 with Hi-Speed Riders being the last set release. It's the last format in which Nekroz and Shaddoll are playable before getting culled on the next banlist, the Clowns are legal and so is Gamma. That's an interesting one to go back to since it took years for players to use Gamma as a HT and not part of Psy-Frames.dek.
Yes! I loved this format. So many cool decks held together by the great clown engine. I think this is a perfect representation of the best parts of the ARC-V era
Genuinely surprised I didn't see him talk about HAT at all in this video. Was sure that would be one of the big 3 that most people wanna see happen. Up there with Tengu Plant and TOSS
I'd definitely be overjoyed if post AGOV became a retro format later on. Definitely one of the best and most memorable formats we've had in a while that almost everyone enjoyed.
@@jamessimbolon3887 Hell, we already have Earthbound Runick, Ghoti Runick, and Snake-Eye Runick this year! And Ice Barrier Runick is being tested as we speak!
Water-Fire (Jan 2014 - Post LVAL) and September 2012 are some of my absolute favorites. Huge amounts of diversity and really enjoyable gameplay for people who enjoy slower formats.
When you consider a lot of the old retro formats, the 'Heart of the Underdog' formats where you can basically create your own custom banlist, Rivalry of the Warlords formats where you use pre-assigned decks (of any of your customisation), Sealed formats for set releases (it doesn't always work but its worth trying to see if we get a banger), Common Charity, some of the weird unexplored old side formats like Double Deck, 'Air, Earth, Fire and Water', Mega-Banned, and Beta formats. And that's just the tip of the iceberg... (and that's also not to mention stuff like Speed Duels or Rush Duels or the Video Game formats). The problem is Konami doesn't really support most of them. And that just leaves us in a situation where we only really have a handful of recognised formats.
As someone that actually plays TOSS, I don't think it will go much higher, while the Decks are extremely fair, even the non tier'd ones. HOWEVER the staples are so blowout, Mystic Mine, Imperial Order, Red Reboot, Pankratops, Lancea. It's just not as fun as it was back in 2019 as we have had actual fair formats since TOSS
I have to agree that yugioh needs more formats, it opens a lot of opportunities for more players to enjoy the game since they are able to choose what they see fit for them.
Power of the elements format was really exciting in my opinion. End boards were insane but known and decks that like tearlament and spright could and did play into them well/well enough. And 2014 Vegas format is like HAT format but without soul charge. A very fair format. The end of dragon ruler’s dynasty and post water and fire format the format is truly the “Edison of the xyz era” since it occurred within a week before the release of soul charge.
YCS San Jose 2015 , it was a time when Dimension Force was released but before the next banlist came into Effect , its like a 4 days Window but all the DUEA Decks were all still playable at that specific Event.
agree, the problem imo with tengu plant is that it's too similar to edison that they probably cannot coexist. I'd argue that tengu plant is better then edison but edison is already well established
Yeah, Maxx C doesn't ruin anything in HAT either. The card was perfectly fine before the pace of the game shifted and every deck started trying to build game winning boards out of their opening five. Maxx C was actually doing its job for about four years before the scales tipped.
@@skuamato7886Yeah, I've played both formats and... They are almost identical. You're still summoning Catastor, Brionne, Stardust and Black Rose, archetypes still use a lot of single-monster removal traps, the pacing is roughly the same and there's still busted stuff like Trap Dustshoot, Return from Different dimension, Heavy Storm or Future Fusion. Also, the few additions don't really make the game better. Utopia is unironically the best Rank 4, BLS, Trishula, Dark Hole and Monster Reborn make the game very swingy, Tengu just refuses to die, Tour Guide makes Sangan busted and too easy to return a banished monster, it has 2 extra copies of Solemn Judgment and 3 MST feel like overkill when you have still heavy storm making so backro feels kinda worthless. Effect Veiler is nice, and so are the forbidden quickspells, Pot of Duality, Scrap Dragon and no royal oppression, but is not enough.
Since no one mentioned it, Tactical Evolution / GLASS format. The banlist had just come out to get rid of some heavy hitting staples like Metamorphosis, Confiscation, and Snatch Steal, as well as limiting Trap Dustshoot, and there were some genuinely cool decks like Zombie being playable. CCV is the main thing keeping it from being something more, I would guess.
I'm surprised he didn't make a comment on FireWater, I saw it mentioned a couple times in the thread (Other than my own mention which I put in kinda late.) Its arguably the best post-ruler Zexal format, a few people adore it even more than HAT.
Isn't that cause fire water format is solved? Like the best and only thing you can be playing that format is dark world and to play anything else is a fools errand
@@doctorrussia Nope, it's not solved. Darkworld is among the strong decks of the format, but its counters are so obvious and easily sided in that it just shuts down the deck immediately.
We got a community playing the core 2 and rotating other random formats. My buddy got me to dust off the rust and play Troop Dupe Scoop Format. Like it is so much fun revisiting an old format with new age ideas. I feel HAT is most likely the true 3rd pillar, or at least from my community that plays the legacy formats. I bet as we get further away from some of the closer to modern day we will see some pop up. My community did try to play some of the covid formats, they didn't do so hot, but maybe with time we could see those formats also revisited since we didn't really get to play them.
I could really see Tear Ishizu format after the ban of Mytic Mine being a thing. Even if this format was Tear 0 and nothing else, the game was in a state where when a Tear duel occured, it was the best player who wins. It was unfair to play with another deck, but this match-up was really fun to watch and very skill-rewarding. Also, the match-ups of the other decks of the format (Kash pre-Ariseheart, madolche, floo, swordsoul, crystal beast) are cool even with Shifter in line.
HAT is the single old format I'd go back to if play for it started picking up. I've seen that's there's a few tourneys and stuff but there's not enough attention to form a ladder somewhere yet.
yeah there's not really a ladder, but there's a pretty active discord server that hosts monthly tournaments which is like, more than most other alt formats have
NAWCQ 2015 and 15 respectively are the most fun I’ve ever had in Yugioh. HAT format has one of the widest deck libraries you can pick from and while Nekroz is the best deck in 2015 that format was very under-explored and who doesn’t love DUEA decks?
I was going to answer Six samurai format, because who doesn’t love playing a deck with 4 rotas 3 pot of greed and 3 cards that say win the game! But I really just want to play my pet deck. So I’m good with any format in which six sams is playable (so I guess I’m fine with meadowlands)
The 2016 Format with Pepe/Ba/Kozmo/Monarch was the Format i really understand how to play Yu-Gi-Oh. I played it as a kid but i didn't had friends who watched the show longer then the original DM so nobody had cards or anything, so i forgot about it for years, then I heard about Arc-V and that the Main Character has a go bonkers and do cool shit mode so i was back on it watched the show, learned how to read cards, and had much fun YGOPRO and other automatic simulators. So bring that format back to life.
You gotta remember that alot of Toss players are Thunder players who have been left high and dry for the last 5 years, hell, even in the video you listed the other 3 decks as still seeing play but one of the four is noticeably absent, and for equally obvious reasons. Honestly wed be happy having our big dumb purple lizard back, but unless you play MD, theres no way to scratch the Colossus itch, even moreso in paper play.
My personal take: Pre RotD is a perfect little introspect into the format of early Xyz, you have Full power Inzektors Dino Rabbit Wind-Ups Ninjas Dark world Even Gravekeeper's to an extent
There should only be one synchro format so I choose tengu. Barring that, TOSS is my next pick since I was out for all of the link era and wanna get some of that juice.
I would do anything to be able to go back and play the schoolyard format, where half the cards were bootlegs and people just made up rules based on the anime and a quick glance at the card text.
HAT deserves another look in. "Wah wah wah it's slow!" yes, games don't end at the speed of a sneeze, some people enjoy that. It has all the tools of XYZ & Synchros, before Dualist Alliance came along and went "only play cards from this set now". There's a TON of unexplored variety in HAT format, outside of the namesake. I often look back at HAT as the "king of rogue" format, as with enough good XYZ monsters and staple traps, you can make nearly anything work. Hell, I played Cloudian during that format for a while...and did decently with it.
The format has innovated as people realized the Hands aren't that good and that both doubling-down on artifacts (instead of only Morral + Sanctum) and Cardcar D was the best way to play the deck. Mermail, Geargia, Spellbook, Rulers, Infernity, Madolche and Bujin all compete very well with different version of Artifacts and rogue decks like Gravekeeper Artifacts have managed to top recently. There are a lot of lower power but still strong and fun other decks like Constellars, Koa'ki, Spirits, Ghostrick, etc. The format has turn 1 shenanigans, as most legacy formats have for some reason, but unlike Edison, it has handtraps meaning you have a chance. Overall, you're gonna draw maxx "C" more in the Infernity matchup than they're gonna pop off turn 1. (which was keegan's biggest complaint which he's obviously simply wrong about as infernity is less consistent on turn 1 plays than frog FTK) Soul Charge is really an annoying card but no format is perfect as every format has Overpowered and clunky cards (Emptiness is legal too).
@@goldenarmour7975 correct me if im wrong but wasnt HAT format solved as the best thing you could play was infernity XYZ? I read that somewhere i did not expercienced it myself
@@kimera2k9 that's not how it looks like in tourney. Infernity is like 3rd-4th best deck (still by far the best combo deck of the format). I would say if it's solved then the best you can play is CAT.
How about revisiting the various formats that turned out to be Tier 0 to check whether the supposed Tier 0 decks were actually that much stronger than the competition?
One format that I’ve been trying to push amongst my friends is 2015 NAWCQ (Clash of Rebellions, pre-Norden release). You still have all of the DUEA era decks at mostly full power, plus stuff like early Kozmo, accessible Minerva Turbo/Clownblade, and a lot more. Only real downside imo would be Towers Turbo being around, but luckily we had a wave of Kaijus by then
I'ma still say 2014 nats format (HAT format). Probably my favorite format in all of Yugioh. It just felt like you could play just about anything and so long as you were competent you'd have something that if not "the best" was at least playable in a competitive setting.
This gave me nostalgia because i remember other HAT decks that were just silly lol. Like soul charge and darkworlds were fun. Hell, you could throw skill drain in that too. I think there was a laval quasar deck running around too? its been so long
As someone who took a break just before Duelist Alliance (until Tear format)... that's my vote. It seems like such an interesting format that I feel stupid for missing out on.
I misssed the thread but I'm glad someone repped Meadowlands, the first format when I started really getting into the swing of Yugioh I really felt the balance was in a Goldilocks zone.
man i miss slash draw, my favorite lightsworn tech, it legit never missed, it either otkd, or set up my grave with great cards and put my jds back. man it sucks it was put to one, at least two please
As someone who started attending tournaments in 2017 and found his stride in the year of TOSS, I'd love to play around in it again. It's probably my personal pick. But I'd also love to play those beloved formats from almost a deck ago that I was too young to really get into.
If I remember correctly, there was a time period after the Eternal TOSS format was officially over following the banlist that murdered every single one of the "Big 4", but the next big things (Adamancipator and Eldlich) hadn't been released yet. I don't even know what to call this short period, but because that banlist was such a bloodbath, let just name this format after the card "After the Storm" for now.
@@SpearMKW Yeah, that's true. I like the deck quite a lot, especially combined with Time Thieves, but it is definitely really strong. Deck was killed incredibly fast, so any opportunity to play it in a format without a roach infestation is welcomed
I loved 2011/2012. Right before Inzektors and Wind-Ups. XYZ was new but not needed in every deck. Synchro Decks had plenty of varied support and had a lot of mix/match. Boss monsters were still fun. Masked Heroes I think were new. I was playing Heros or Flamvell Synchro with Chaos Support, and that latter sounds terrible but it was consistent and worked. Flamvells playing with cards like TK Rai-o and Summoner Monk. I could still expect to get Flamvell Firedog's effect in most games and not die for relying on battle-phase and not winning that turn.
In my opinion the next Edison shloud be one that includes a generic low-power XYZ toolbox, most of the classic XYZ era decks like Fire Fists, Mermails, Geargia, Fire Kings, Evilswarms and healthy cards like Pot of Duality.
Getting the community to agree to a rule change would be nigh impossible, but I think several retro formats could be improved/fixed by changing the parameters that the format follows. Like, many retro banlists are bad, often more to push new product as opposed to creating a diverse and fun play experience. Some intelligent tweaks could push "ok" formats into "great" ones, imo.
I'm surprised none of the showcased were HAT or Fire Water Format, these were a really good place in the zexal era where you could go into a solid rank 4/5 tool box, solid synchro stuff and so on.
June 2017 Format is an interesting one cuz it was the 3 week period after PEVO dropped but before "Link Format" (MR4) where the new Pendulum Magicians were full power and yet went almost completely under the radar (understandably so, since Tier 0 Zoo was still running around.) That deck was honestly very fun and sadly would never see the light of day again (at least not in the same way) due to the later mechanical nerfs to Pendulum
im largly surprised that MBT didn't mention HAT format. I'd argue that HAT is probably an even better bridge to modern formats than Edison. It has "Problem solving card text" and the rules are largely the same as modern yugioh, with at least a few exceptions such as field spells as well as how chain links work.
@@Linkiscool115 agreed bro. edison is so overrated. BLACKWING VAYU BLACKWING VAYU BLACKWING VAYU BLACKWING VAYU BLACKWING VAYU. That's literally all you play against.
there are some yugioh formats that are more like mtg - such as N/R (on MD) and Trinity. They're just less popular than "Historic Standard" in a game with only one mainstream contemporary format at any one time.
2019 format was one big flaw. The Ib ftk. It wasn’t explored during the format itself but it could be a serious problem in a format that doesn’t include nibiru.
I think that post POTE pre Mavens is an amazing format. The mirrors for the two best decks, Spright and Tear, are incredibly skillful and the play between those decks is also very intense. There were also plenty of other decks just below the surface that were very playable. I played Agents most of that format and it was actually putting up results!
if you're playing duelist alliance, the meta is shaddoll, ba, and tellars. if you're playing new challengers (which in my opinion is just a better version of duelist alliance) it's a triangle format of qlis, ba, and shaddolls where each of those top three decks are good against one and bad against another (basically water fire grass starters in pokemon).
I love post-Agov pre-January format too. Variety was the spice of life. Rogue decks like Madolche, Blackwings, and Marincess could top events. Unchained was fun to play against but not entirely unbeatable.
If you ask me the best thing you could play was actually the cheapest decks in the room: Performage good stuff with reptiles and Luster Pendulum generally beat out Dark Destroyer decks. D/D/D was playable out of DOCS. Kozmo is strong but still beatable, and a ton of the older DUEA decks at this point still had legs.
For TOSS perhaps the format for the Panama City UDS invitational that Jesse Kotton won would be best? It’s after the Mermaid ban but also pre-Chaos Impact. One Major issue with TOSS era Yugioh, however, is Mystic Mine which could very easily drag down any part of TOSS post Dark Neostorm. It would have to be after to April 2019 list though.
I’ll be the ass to pitch post-goat/early GX. A lot of the broken goat cards are banned out, but enough are still limited/semi for some big plays (triple trunade a premature burial anyone? Graceful charity and ring of destruction at one?) Ik it’s basically goat-lite, but I do honestly love the pace of the game at that time
Nobody mentioning dabl format pre ishizu is kinda wild that format was so sick so many different decks tear wasn't even figured out runick cards were still good enough to play it was a great time. Been messing around with a runick tear deck from that format and man it just makes me wish we had it for longer before ishizu
I'd be curious what some retro formats would look like if we went back in time and pretended that set rotation was a thing. Something like around Mystic Fighters where you're forced to play like Dragonmaid, Generaider, and Time Thief.
What about picking up a World Championship or Tag Force game to have a community around As a side format 2011 has Turbo Dueling where Speed World 2 is literally yugioh if it had manna
Meadowlands is super close to an ideal for me. It had Six Sams at a reasonable power level and relevancy so my Dad could play. Geargia is close enough to Guru control. I like messing around with Hunders and my Dad enjoyed toying with Constellars. The main issue is I would rather pull teeth than play against Mermail.
Pre-Nekroz/Pre-Secret Forces or bust Amazing viability between BA, Shaddolls, Qli, but so much was viable like even U.A. had relevance because Mighty Slugger are Shaddolls and BA.
Agreed, another thing he didn't mention was that the big 3 of the previous format (Wind-up, Dino Rabbit, and Inzektor) all got hit by the banlist but were still playable. That combined with all the new stuff coming out (Mermail, Fire Fist, Geargia etc.) made for a very fun format
Maybe it's because it's the format I got really into competitive Yu-gi-oh but the format in 2017 where the 3 best decks were Zoo and it's variants, True Draco, and Dinos. I feel like there were a lot of interaction points and it was a skillful format. Also there were a bunch of other decks that were viable like the Invoked variants and 60 card grass decks.
Definitely biased, but 2014 Worlds is the format that really got me to appreciate Yugioh competitively. A lot of decks that are usually rogue got to shine in the weird banlist the format had at the time. Definitely my bias as an all time Infernity fan, but seeing Leviair loops through banishing traps was the coolest shit.
While I would love to see DA to make a comeback, I have extremely bad memories associated with vanity which is legal in DA and would rather leave the fun memories as just that. Fun memories when I my opponent wasn't blatantly cheating and stacking the deck to draw vanity in opening hand.
2015 Dallas is one of my favorite formats of all time. However, 2015 San Jose, if you want more experimentation, is an extremely interesting format since it's right before the ban list but with dimension of chaos legal.
I think there’s 3 formats that could potentially do it: 1. NECH format 2. Sept 2013 format 3. Sept 2012 (ABYR) format NECH format is an interesting triangle format that I’d love to see developed. It might honestly be the most extreme triangle format that’s existed since on paper the matchups in that format are super polarised. I reckon it’d be pretty interesting to see how such a format would develop to attempt to equalise the matchup spread, and the unique solutions people would come up with. September 2013 format is quite interesting due to the perceived dominance of dragon rulers. However, unlike the prior format, dragon rulers feel really fair in this format. We already had interesting developments like dragunity ruler in this format, and it overall feels quite unsolved. ABYR format is probably the best candidate. There are so many playable options during this format including; wind-ups, grandsoil psychics, rabbit, inzektor, chaos dragons, gravekeeper, chaos, horn of the phantom beast piles, hero beat, agents, mermail, etc. this format is super diverse and serves as a distinct step up in power from edison while being unsolved.
I had never heard of Meadowlands format but I like the thought of it, but I am pretty biased toward Atlanteans. When Atlanteans were a big deal the game was at a place where landing your boss monster was generally enough of a push to win you the game, aside from getting the rug pulled out by trap cards (which is true for literally every other format pre-Imperm), and you could have some explosive turns to really turn up the heat but that wasn't EVERY turn, because the ceiling was high enough to make your cards feel cool to wield when you make a cool play but also low enough to where sitting on next to nothing for 1 turn wasn't detrimental, so you'd also have moments where just setting Snowman Eater could also net you a ton of mileage, but it wasn't the slow paced Yugi-boomer style tortoise of a game either. Xyz cards weren't so blatantly "I win" buttons like they became later on and cards that are laughable now like Gagaga Cowboy and Maestroke were extra deck staples, and quick effects were almost nonexistent so the game in general was way more back-and-forth. I'd love to participate in a format like what, where one of my favorite decks of all time doesn't get immediately power crept in the deck building process. Also, I've said this a few times before, but thanks you for specifically calling Satellarknights bad (not literally but you get it). I don't want to come off like "that guy" by saying it but I've always thought they were mid at best and Shaddoll never stopped being the superior deck between the two. No comment on Burning Abyss though because nobody in my circle or locals could afford to play them lmao.
There are quite a few wierd modern formats that got missed out on because of short livedness. The post bode banlist period for example, when everybody thought rusty griffin turbo was going to be the best deck. The issue is a lot of the time these formats are good BECAUSE somebody didnt go back and discover what was really the best deck.
You say Tengu is not enjoyable because maxx c is legal but it is legal in almost every single format you mention in the video and is way more impactful from 2012 to 2016 than in 2011
Maxx C is only a side deck card in Tengu. I would say it's worse than D.D. Crow back then, because the bird is better in stopping the prevalent Chaos decks, while also helping to them as a discardable dark. I agree with MBT that there's way too many BS cards in tengu: Tengu itself, Trishula, Trap Dustshoot, Return from Different dimension, Monster Reborn, Sangan with Tour guide, BLS and Heavy Storm come to mind and having 3 Solemn cards. Maxx C in Tengu a conditional jar of greed who becomes pot of greed occasionally, and can be quite bricky in plenty of matchups, like T.G., HERO, Gravekeeper or Gadgets.
Unpopular opinion: TOSS was super mid. It was a format we had choked down our throats for years due to "that virus" existing and ending all IRL play for years. Konami barely made any impactful cards during the period and it is extremely fleshed out. We just look back and love it bc it was all we had and our YGO escape during a time that was traumatic/limiting to most people : )
2013 to 2015 imo i know the banlist changed drastically during that time but that was height yugioh for me i topped my first ever regional with Mermail in 2014 i just love that deck hell i even played dragonsworn at that time and had tons of success the only issue is letting full rulers and judgement aloud due to the lower power lvl
Felt like this particular video for the thread was rather short for such a plentiful discussion, or there really weren't many formats on the video itself 🤔 I know every twitter thread video has to be around or exactly 8 minutes because algorithm and monetization reasons, but this one definitely had more room to be longer!
I hope some retro format of post cyac pre current banlist catches on, on top of the format just being super diverse, I wanna play Mathmech, and even with circ at 1 I optimized the deck so much I felt that it was in it's prime, even back during pote format it's night and day what cyac support does to the deck
i play quite a bit of 2016 and i typically avoid the first few months of the year because chicken game was banned and i try to avoid retro formats where super cheesy cards are at 3 (chicken game in 2015/2016, mystic mine in toss, soul charge in hat, etc etc).
I think post Dabl pre Mavens format would be a great one to have live on. Tear and spright at competing levels of play. It’s not till the Ishizu cards hit that it becomes a Tear 0 game. The bystials have just dropped, branded and swordsoul are payable, exosisters got all their support allowing them to compete, and probably a lot more decks because this format lasted only a few weeks then mavens dropped and Tear Ishizu became the only name in town.
TOSS format is the single best format that has ever existed. The beautiful balance between thunder dragons, strikers, salads and orcust. All the decks were basically full power but none hard shut down the others. Strikers, orcust and thunder dragons could be built multiple ways and all the decks took a few turns to the win the game and didn’t really OTK so you always had a chance to come back and it wasn’t decided turn 2
It was probably the best trains OTK has ever been. Most decks only had a few interactions, OTKing was something few other decks could do, and between two meta machine decks and MR4 making the lv10 Megafleet guaranteed to be live, you could get great value out of a Cyber Dragon engine. And if you had to go first, putting up a Super Dora with Derricrane wasn't bad.
HAT format should be the 3rd one. Very diverse and fun, it's my favorite retro format and I have 8 decks for it currently, with more in the works. It really needs more attention.
@@mophead1666 I've been playing with koa'ki meiru, inzektor artifact, and worm traptrix hands and they are all super fun. I've been doing really good with inzektor artifact and koa'ki meiru lately.
I'd say Hat is a very good format. I say it's more of the Edison of Zexal, than any other format in that period. It's got some of the highest amount of viable decks in a format I've seen, the top decks are generally pretty fair for the most part, and the powerlevel and pacing is pretty much perfect for Yugioh imo. It's super fun to play and I wish that more people played it because I would LOVE to not ever have to touch dueling book to play my Geargia Karakuri deck
Give me January 2015. Nekroz were top dog then, but Teledad could plop out 3 void ogres and dark law before they got a chance to go nuts. We has soul charge too. It was a really fun time.
I can't believe my shitpost about June 2018 FTK formats actually made it into the mid credits, I'm fucking dying
Yo guys if he dont reply back to my comment in 2 days I believe hes dead
XD
Instead of the intro and such, they should have put this at the beginning. FTK means First Turn Kill and for it not to be the first thing... yeah
@@Whayumean f
Watching people having to suffer through that FTK format would be kinda funny though, ngl
I can’t believe no one is talking about this, but Yuginono discovered a 4 day format from 2015 where dimension of chaos is legal, along side all the due list alliance decks. It’s called finish line and i recommend checking it out!
This one has so much potential! Probably the best for the DUEA era!
Definitely
I wanna play it, but atm there's no real community on it
So true, Finish Line is amazing
@edymiguel4247
What's your discord/steam name? I would love to play this with someone.
Can't believe no one picked the true best retro format, the first one! Who doesn't love normal summoning dark magician and gaia, only to get dark holed into oblivion. Pure grind game as both players wail on each other with silver fang, such incredible diversity too.
2121'S NOT WORTH - oh wait, the OCG format. ...did we ever get the JJ intro translated into JP?
I picked this format but wasn't there for the stream
I mean yeah it kinda sounds like it could be fun, in the same way that pokemon gen 1 ubers is fun. And I got both those opinions from the same person, he's called Reverend, go watch his videos.
Bring back the hitotsume giant meta
Early OCG was rough, but the first ever TCG format is pretty fun, some people call it Yugi-Kaiba after the starter decks
My group has been talking alot about "Dallas Format" which is mid to late 2015 with Hi-Speed Riders being the last set release. It's the last format in which Nekroz and Shaddoll are playable before getting culled on the next banlist, the Clowns are legal and so is Gamma. That's an interesting one to go back to since it took years for players to use Gamma as a HT and not part of Psy-Frames.dek.
U talking about finish line format?
Yes! I loved this format. So many cool decks held together by the great clown engine. I think this is a perfect representation of the best parts of the ARC-V era
Oooh this sounds super sick have you guys found any undiscovered decks that could have been rogue at the time?
@@Ruby_Mullz no. Before that. Finish line format is post DOCS with dark destroyer
HAT might be it. Large number of decks, plays very different from modern, and is very much unexplored.
HAT is the best retro format imo, everyone always sleeps on it and is way more diverse than people think.
Literally the correct answer
Genuinely surprised I didn't see him talk about HAT at all in this video. Was sure that would be one of the big 3 that most people wanna see happen. Up there with Tengu Plant and TOSS
HAT will definitely get popularized, though for me any format where soul charge is at 3 is to be avoided
I'm hoping for it.
HAT not mentioned despite being the most diverse meta I have ever played in.
Some call it diverse, others call it chaotic
HAT has not stood the test of time Infernity is nuts.
HAT has Emptiness legal, literally unplayable
@@meathir4921 Infernity was already nut when it's was the current format, remember seing it all the time on devpro at that time
@@reydragon2597 Nonono thats why its playable.
I'd definitely be overjoyed if post AGOV became a retro format later on. Definitely one of the best and most memorable formats we've had in a while that almost everyone enjoyed.
Every year a new runick deck will be discovered
@@jamessimbolon3887 Every single one discovered by Joshua Schmidt.
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Hell, we already have Earthbound Runick, Ghoti Runick, and Snake-Eye Runick this year! And Ice Barrier Runick is being tested as we speak!
Except pak lol
Wonder what that format would be called
I think the thing I like most about the twitter threads are Dires intros
Common Dire W *Gigachad music plays*
Water-Fire (Jan 2014 - Post LVAL) and September 2012 are some of my absolute favorites.
Huge amounts of diversity and really enjoyable gameplay for people who enjoy slower formats.
Yes, this one is the best retro format that isn't talked about like Edison/GOAT (Yet, I hope it is.)
When you consider a lot of the old retro formats, the 'Heart of the Underdog' formats where you can basically create your own custom banlist, Rivalry of the Warlords formats where you use pre-assigned decks (of any of your customisation), Sealed formats for set releases (it doesn't always work but its worth trying to see if we get a banger), Common Charity, some of the weird unexplored old side formats like Double Deck, 'Air, Earth, Fire and Water', Mega-Banned, and Beta formats. And that's just the tip of the iceberg... (and that's also not to mention stuff like Speed Duels or Rush Duels or the Video Game formats).
The problem is Konami doesn't really support most of them. And that just leaves us in a situation where we only really have a handful of recognised formats.
As someone that actually plays TOSS, I don't think it will go much higher, while the Decks are extremely fair, even the non tier'd ones. HOWEVER the staples are so blowout, Mystic Mine, Imperial Order, Red Reboot, Pankratops, Lancea. It's just not as fun as it was back in 2019 as we have had actual fair formats since TOSS
I have to agree that yugioh needs more formats, it opens a lot of opportunities for more players to enjoy the game since they are able to choose what they see fit for them.
Power of the elements format was really exciting in my opinion. End boards were insane but known and decks that like tearlament and spright could and did play into them well/well enough.
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2014 Vegas format is like HAT format but without soul charge. A very fair format. The end of dragon ruler’s dynasty and post water and fire format the format is truly the “Edison of the xyz era” since it occurred within a week before the release of soul charge.
correct im sad POTE was not discussed at all
YCS San Jose 2015 , it was a time when Dimension Force was released but before the next banlist came into Effect , its like a 4 days Window but all the DUEA Decks were all still playable at that specific Event.
I assume you mean Dimension of Chaos? DIFO was the 2022 set with the Scareclaws and the Therions
Maxx C in Tengu is actually pretty balanced because so many of the decks can play around it
agree, the problem imo with tengu plant is that it's too similar to edison that they probably cannot coexist. I'd argue that tengu plant is better then edison but edison is already well established
Yeah, Maxx C doesn't ruin anything in HAT either. The card was perfectly fine before the pace of the game shifted and every deck started trying to build game winning boards out of their opening five. Maxx C was actually doing its job for about four years before the scales tipped.
MBT just resorts to scrubquotes when losing in Tengu, don't worry about it
@@skuamato7886Yeah, I've played both formats and... They are almost identical.
You're still summoning Catastor, Brionne, Stardust and Black Rose, archetypes still use a lot of single-monster removal traps, the pacing is roughly the same and there's still busted stuff like Trap Dustshoot, Return from Different dimension, Heavy Storm or Future Fusion.
Also, the few additions don't really make the game better. Utopia is unironically the best Rank 4, BLS, Trishula, Dark Hole and Monster Reborn make the game very swingy, Tengu just refuses to die, Tour Guide makes Sangan busted and too easy to return a banished monster, it has 2 extra copies of Solemn Judgment and 3 MST feel like overkill when you have still heavy storm making so backro feels kinda worthless. Effect Veiler is nice, and so are the forbidden quickspells, Pot of Duality, Scrap Dragon and no royal oppression, but is not enough.
Agreed, I never get this argument. Maxx C does SOMETHING, but the most you'll get is 2 cards.
I loved TOSS format. Played Zombie World control the whole time and would 100% play it again
zombie gang rise up. I thought the same thing
Some people from my locals were trying to have a rotation of tengu edison HAT and goat but only edison is getting much attendance
Since no one mentioned it, Tactical Evolution / GLASS format. The banlist had just come out to get rid of some heavy hitting staples like Metamorphosis, Confiscation, and Snatch Steal, as well as limiting Trap Dustshoot, and there were some genuinely cool decks like Zombie being playable. CCV is the main thing keeping it from being something more, I would guess.
The easy solution is to not allow people to play with prize cards (CCV, Gold Sarc). It’s more balanced and accurate to what it was like in 2007.
I'm surprised he didn't make a comment on FireWater, I saw it mentioned a couple times in the thread (Other than my own mention which I put in kinda late.) Its arguably the best post-ruler Zexal format, a few people adore it even more than HAT.
Same, fire water is probably my favorite format of all time.
As a fellow Fire/Water enjoyer I agree. The format is very fun and dynamic.
Isn't that cause fire water format is solved? Like the best and only thing you can be playing that format is dark world and to play anything else is a fools errand
That's a really good one
@@doctorrussia Nope, it's not solved. Darkworld is among the strong decks of the format, but its counters are so obvious and easily sided in that it just shuts down the deck immediately.
We got a community playing the core 2 and rotating other random formats. My buddy got me to dust off the rust and play Troop Dupe Scoop Format. Like it is so much fun revisiting an old format with new age ideas. I feel HAT is most likely the true 3rd pillar, or at least from my community that plays the legacy formats. I bet as we get further away from some of the closer to modern day we will see some pop up. My community did try to play some of the covid formats, they didn't do so hot, but maybe with time we could see those formats also revisited since we didn't really get to play them.
I could really see Tear Ishizu format after the ban of Mytic Mine being a thing. Even if this format was Tear 0 and nothing else, the game was in a state where when a Tear duel occured, it was the best player who wins. It was unfair to play with another deck, but this match-up was really fun to watch and very skill-rewarding. Also, the match-ups of the other decks of the format (Kash pre-Ariseheart, madolche, floo, swordsoul, crystal beast) are cool even with Shifter in line.
I think perfect circle format is a format that should be played more.
The GX era is so underrated
HAT is the single old format I'd go back to if play for it started picking up. I've seen that's there's a few tourneys and stuff but there's not enough attention to form a ladder somewhere yet.
yeah there's not really a ladder, but there's a pretty active discord server that hosts monthly tournaments which is like, more than most other alt formats have
NAWCQ 2015 and 15 respectively are the most fun I’ve ever had in Yugioh. HAT format has one of the widest deck libraries you can pick from and while Nekroz is the best deck in 2015 that format was very under-explored and who doesn’t love DUEA decks?
I thought HAT format would be mentioned, as it is a well balanced format as well. Duelist Alliance/ New Challengers is good as well.
I was going to answer Six samurai format, because who doesn’t love playing a deck with 4 rotas 3 pot of greed and 3 cards that say win the game!
But I really just want to play my pet deck. So I’m good with any format in which six sams is playable (so I guess I’m fine with meadowlands)
I really want Tengu Plants or FireWater format being the next one to be popular
The 2016 Format with Pepe/Ba/Kozmo/Monarch was the Format i really understand how to play Yu-Gi-Oh. I played it as a kid but i didn't had friends who watched the show longer then the original DM so nobody had cards or anything, so i forgot about it for years, then I heard about Arc-V and that the Main Character has a go bonkers and do cool shit mode so i was back on it watched the show, learned how to read cards, and had much fun YGOPRO and other automatic simulators.
So bring that format back to life.
You gotta remember that alot of Toss players are Thunder players who have been left high and dry for the last 5 years, hell, even in the video you listed the other 3 decks as still seeing play but one of the four is noticeably absent, and for equally obvious reasons. Honestly wed be happy having our big dumb purple lizard back, but unless you play MD, theres no way to scratch the Colossus itch, even moreso in paper play.
I don't think that anyone would be happy about a collosus unban except thundra players
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2023 post September banlist prior to AGOV release was such a interesting one, wish we could’ve gotten more time with that than the one YCS (Dortmund)
My personal take: Pre RotD is a perfect little introspect into the format of early Xyz, you have
Full power Inzektors
Dino Rabbit
Wind-Ups
Ninjas
Dark world
Even Gravekeeper's to an extent
There should only be one synchro format so I choose tengu. Barring that, TOSS is my next pick since I was out for all of the link era and wanna get some of that juice.
I would do anything to be able to go back and play the schoolyard format, where half the cards were bootlegs and people just made up rules based on the anime and a quick glance at the card text.
I think I may have seen more mentions of HAT in the thread than TOSS
which, based if true
HAT deserves another look in. "Wah wah wah it's slow!" yes, games don't end at the speed of a sneeze, some people enjoy that. It has all the tools of XYZ & Synchros, before Dualist Alliance came along and went "only play cards from this set now". There's a TON of unexplored variety in HAT format, outside of the namesake.
I often look back at HAT as the "king of rogue" format, as with enough good XYZ monsters and staple traps, you can make nearly anything work. Hell, I played Cloudian during that format for a while...and did decently with it.
The format has innovated as people realized the Hands aren't that good and that both doubling-down on artifacts (instead of only Morral + Sanctum) and Cardcar D was the best way to play the deck.
Mermail, Geargia, Spellbook, Rulers, Infernity, Madolche and Bujin all compete very well with different version of Artifacts and rogue decks like Gravekeeper Artifacts have managed to top recently. There are a lot of lower power but still strong and fun other decks like Constellars, Koa'ki, Spirits, Ghostrick, etc.
The format has turn 1 shenanigans, as most legacy formats have for some reason, but unlike Edison, it has handtraps meaning you have a chance. Overall, you're gonna draw maxx "C" more in the Infernity matchup than they're gonna pop off turn 1. (which was keegan's biggest complaint which he's obviously simply wrong about as infernity is less consistent on turn 1 plays than frog FTK)
Soul Charge is really an annoying card but no format is perfect as every format has Overpowered and clunky cards (Emptiness is legal too).
@@goldenarmour7975 correct me if im wrong but wasnt HAT format solved as the best thing you could play was infernity XYZ? I read that somewhere i did not expercienced it myself
@@kimera2k9 that's not how it looks like in tourney. Infernity is like 3rd-4th best deck (still by far the best combo deck of the format). I would say if it's solved then the best you can play is CAT.
@@goldenarmour7975what’s the “C” stand for?
The cheese stands alone!! Love seeiing the mtg refrences. I still watch you and joshua schmidt regularly even tho i dont play yugioh much these days
2016 was peak yugioh for me
How about revisiting the various formats that turned out to be Tier 0 to check whether the supposed Tier 0 decks were actually that much stronger than the competition?
Bro Agov pre ban list was so much fun I really hope It can take off as a format l.
One format that I’ve been trying to push amongst my friends is 2015 NAWCQ (Clash of Rebellions, pre-Norden release). You still have all of the DUEA era decks at mostly full power, plus stuff like early Kozmo, accessible Minerva Turbo/Clownblade, and a lot more. Only real downside imo would be Towers Turbo being around, but luckily we had a wave of Kaijus by then
I'ma still say 2014 nats format (HAT format). Probably my favorite format in all of Yugioh. It just felt like you could play just about anything and so long as you were competent you'd have something that if not "the best" was at least playable in a competitive setting.
This gave me nostalgia because i remember other HAT decks that were just silly lol. Like soul charge and darkworlds were fun. Hell, you could throw skill drain in that too. I think there was a laval quasar deck running around too? its been so long
As someone who took a break just before Duelist Alliance (until Tear format)... that's my vote.
It seems like such an interesting format that I feel stupid for missing out on.
The intro was peak, big props to the editor on this.
I misssed the thread but I'm glad someone repped Meadowlands, the first format when I started really getting into the swing of Yugioh I really felt the balance was in a Goldilocks zone.
man i miss slash draw, my favorite lightsworn tech, it legit never missed, it either otkd, or set up my grave with great cards and put my jds back. man it sucks it was put to one, at least two please
As someone who started attending tournaments in 2017 and found his stride in the year of TOSS, I'd love to play around in it again. It's probably my personal pick.
But I'd also love to play those beloved formats from almost a deck ago that I was too young to really get into.
If I remember correctly, there was a time period after the Eternal TOSS format was officially over following the banlist that murdered every single one of the "Big 4", but the next big things (Adamancipator and Eldlich) hadn't been released yet. I don't even know what to call this short period, but because that banlist was such a bloodbath, let just name this format after the card "After the Storm" for now.
good old Danger-Lunalight and Spyral's second coming due to Souls format. I dont think people are eagerly waiting to get full Spyral combo'd on.
Yeah, this was also during the last few months of MR4. Had way too much fun with the release of Generaiders around this time.
@@SpearMKW Yeah, that's true. I like the deck quite a lot, especially combined with Time Thieves, but it is definitely really strong. Deck was killed incredibly fast, so any opportunity to play it in a format without a roach infestation is welcomed
That format is seeing badly by a lot of people because the best deck was Spyral, which no one liked.
Perfect Circle format is slept on
Still got mine built from yester-year
I loved 2011/2012. Right before Inzektors and Wind-Ups. XYZ was new but not needed in every deck. Synchro Decks had plenty of varied support and had a lot of mix/match. Boss monsters were still fun. Masked Heroes I think were new.
I was playing Heros or Flamvell Synchro with Chaos Support, and that latter sounds terrible but it was consistent and worked. Flamvells playing with cards like TK Rai-o and Summoner Monk. I could still expect to get Flamvell Firedog's effect in most games and not die for relying on battle-phase and not winning that turn.
In my opinion the next Edison shloud be one that includes a generic low-power XYZ toolbox, most of the classic XYZ era decks like Fire Fists, Mermails, Geargia, Fire Kings, Evilswarms and healthy cards like Pot of Duality.
Getting the community to agree to a rule change would be nigh impossible, but I think several retro formats could be improved/fixed by changing the parameters that the format follows. Like, many retro banlists are bad, often more to push new product as opposed to creating a diverse and fun play experience. Some intelligent tweaks could push "ok" formats into "great" ones, imo.
I'm surprised none of the showcased were HAT or Fire Water Format, these were a really good place in the zexal era where you could go into a solid rank 4/5 tool box, solid synchro stuff and so on.
June 2017 Format is an interesting one cuz it was the 3 week period after PEVO dropped but before "Link Format" (MR4) where the new Pendulum Magicians were full power and yet went almost completely under the radar (understandably so, since Tier 0 Zoo was still running around.)
That deck was honestly very fun and sadly would never see the light of day again (at least not in the same way) due to the later mechanical nerfs to Pendulum
I was playing zefra during that time I just want a format where I can play them again at its peak
@@mexicoj00 definitely agree, i mis midrange pendulum 🥺
im largly surprised that MBT didn't mention HAT format. I'd argue that HAT is probably an even better bridge to modern formats than Edison. It has "Problem solving card text" and the rules are largely the same as modern yugioh, with at least a few exceptions such as field spells as well as how chain links work.
I find Edison to be really overrated, I've tried it and can't get into it. HAT is a much more fun format and doesn't get enough attention.
@@Linkiscool115 agreed bro. edison is so overrated. BLACKWING VAYU BLACKWING VAYU BLACKWING VAYU BLACKWING VAYU BLACKWING VAYU. That's literally all you play against.
@@goldenarmour7975 it's all I see being played when I see friends play it.
no mention of celtic guardian format is wild
Take me back to YCS Toronto 2012 I know we can crack that Grandsoil Psychics Deck.
That voice crack at the start of the video actually jump scared me wtf
Fire/Water, NWCQ Nekroz and NWCQ Zoo/Draco formats would be my top 3
I think a format pre-duelist alliance could work as a format
I believe that is HAT, actually.
@@Smallsmallrose Isn't hat before dragon rulers?
@@nomnom2407HAT is after dragon rulers, the format took place in 2014 just before DUEA.
@@Linkiscool115 i've heard there are like variants to it or something as well.
@@nomnom2407 yeah, most people play the 2014 nawcq version of the format.
It's wild to me that MtG formats are about cards after a certain date and YGO's are about cards before a certain date.
No set rotation duh
there are some yugioh formats that are more like mtg - such as N/R (on MD) and Trinity. They're just less popular than "Historic Standard" in a game with only one mainstream contemporary format at any one time.
Everyone that keeps talking about Maxx C being broken in tengu plant has clearly never played the format and it shows.
2019 format was one big flaw. The Ib ftk. It wasn’t explored during the format itself but it could be a serious problem in a format that doesn’t include nibiru.
I think that post POTE pre Mavens is an amazing format. The mirrors for the two best decks, Spright and Tear, are incredibly skillful and the play between those decks is also very intense. There were also plenty of other decks just below the surface that were very playable. I played Agents most of that format and it was actually putting up results!
Yes, this is an awesome one.
I wish i knew about the Duelist Alliance meta, i love PK FIRE and it’s the deck that made me get into the competitive yugioh meta
if you're playing duelist alliance, the meta is shaddoll, ba, and tellars. if you're playing new challengers (which in my opinion is just a better version of duelist alliance) it's a triangle format of qlis, ba, and shaddolls where each of those top three decks are good against one and bad against another (basically water fire grass starters in pokemon).
I love post-Agov pre-January format too. Variety was the spice of life. Rogue decks like Madolche, Blackwings, and Marincess could top events. Unchained was fun to play against but not entirely unbeatable.
Abyss Actors topped during that format
CLASH OF REBELLION to DIMENSION OF CHAOS is a super good format. I don’t know which set is better.
If you ask me the best thing you could play was actually the cheapest decks in the room: Performage good stuff with reptiles and Luster Pendulum generally beat out Dark Destroyer decks. D/D/D was playable out of DOCS. Kozmo is strong but still beatable, and a ton of the older DUEA decks at this point still had legs.
For TOSS perhaps the format for the Panama City UDS invitational that Jesse Kotton won would be best? It’s after the Mermaid ban but also pre-Chaos Impact. One Major issue with TOSS era Yugioh, however, is Mystic Mine which could very easily drag down any part of TOSS post Dark Neostorm. It would have to be after to April 2019 list though.
I’ll be the ass to pitch post-goat/early GX. A lot of the broken goat cards are banned out, but enough are still limited/semi for some big plays (triple trunade a premature burial anyone? Graceful charity and ring of destruction at one?) Ik it’s basically goat-lite, but I do honestly love the pace of the game at that time
Nobody mentioning dabl format pre ishizu is kinda wild that format was so sick so many different decks tear wasn't even figured out runick cards were still good enough to play it was a great time. Been messing around with a runick tear deck from that format and man it just makes me wish we had it for longer before ishizu
man, i was not expecting the cheese stands alone
I'd be curious what some retro formats would look like if we went back in time and pretended that set rotation was a thing.
Something like around Mystic Fighters where you're forced to play like Dragonmaid, Generaider, and Time Thief.
What about picking up a World Championship or Tag Force game to have a community around
As a side format 2011 has Turbo Dueling where Speed World 2 is literally yugioh if it had manna
People are really reminiscing over PePe format. I mean it doesn't surprise me since people are already reminiscing over Tear format
Meadowlands is super close to an ideal for me.
It had Six Sams at a reasonable power level and relevancy so my Dad could play. Geargia is close enough to Guru control. I like messing around with Hunders and my Dad enjoyed toying with Constellars.
The main issue is I would rather pull teeth than play against Mermail.
Pre-Nekroz/Pre-Secret Forces or bust
Amazing viability between BA, Shaddolls, Qli, but so much was viable like even U.A. had relevance because Mighty Slugger are Shaddolls and BA.
I'm 100% with the law on this one. That format was THE most formative for me in my full immersion into competitive yugioh
Agreed, another thing he didn't mention was that the big 3 of the previous format (Wind-up, Dino Rabbit, and Inzektor) all got hit by the banlist but were still playable. That combined with all the new stuff coming out (Mermail, Fire Fist, Geargia etc.) made for a very fun format
My beloved Shaddoll in the thumbnail? Got my attention kind sir
Maybe it's because it's the format I got really into competitive Yu-gi-oh but the format in 2017 where the 3 best decks were Zoo and it's variants, True Draco, and Dinos. I feel like there were a lot of interaction points and it was a skillful format. Also there were a bunch of other decks that were viable like the Invoked variants and 60 card grass decks.
Definitely biased, but 2014 Worlds is the format that really got me to appreciate Yugioh competitively. A lot of decks that are usually rogue got to shine in the weird banlist the format had at the time. Definitely my bias as an all time Infernity fan, but seeing Leviair loops through banishing traps was the coolest shit.
7:03 i have fun playing thunder dragon in toss as a retro format and in the curent format
While I would love to see DA to make a comeback, I have extremely bad memories associated with vanity which is legal in DA and would rather leave the fun memories as just that. Fun memories when I my opponent wasn't blatantly cheating and stacking the deck to draw vanity in opening hand.
2015 Dallas is one of my favorite formats of all time. However, 2015 San Jose, if you want more experimentation, is an extremely interesting format since it's right before the ban list but with dimension of chaos legal.
I think there’s 3 formats that could potentially do it:
1. NECH format
2. Sept 2013 format
3. Sept 2012 (ABYR) format
NECH format is an interesting triangle format that I’d love to see developed. It might honestly be the most extreme triangle format that’s existed since on paper the matchups in that format are super polarised. I reckon it’d be pretty interesting to see how such a format would develop to attempt to equalise the matchup spread, and the unique solutions people would come up with.
September 2013 format is quite interesting due to the perceived dominance of dragon rulers. However, unlike the prior format, dragon rulers feel really fair in this format. We already had interesting developments like dragunity ruler in this format, and it overall feels quite unsolved.
ABYR format is probably the best candidate. There are so many playable options during this format including; wind-ups, grandsoil psychics, rabbit, inzektor, chaos dragons, gravekeeper, chaos, horn of the phantom beast piles, hero beat, agents, mermail, etc. this format is super diverse and serves as a distinct step up in power from edison while being unsolved.
I had never heard of Meadowlands format but I like the thought of it, but I am pretty biased toward Atlanteans. When Atlanteans were a big deal the game was at a place where landing your boss monster was generally enough of a push to win you the game, aside from getting the rug pulled out by trap cards (which is true for literally every other format pre-Imperm), and you could have some explosive turns to really turn up the heat but that wasn't EVERY turn, because the ceiling was high enough to make your cards feel cool to wield when you make a cool play but also low enough to where sitting on next to nothing for 1 turn wasn't detrimental, so you'd also have moments where just setting Snowman Eater could also net you a ton of mileage, but it wasn't the slow paced Yugi-boomer style tortoise of a game either. Xyz cards weren't so blatantly "I win" buttons like they became later on and cards that are laughable now like Gagaga Cowboy and Maestroke were extra deck staples, and quick effects were almost nonexistent so the game in general was way more back-and-forth. I'd love to participate in a format like what, where one of my favorite decks of all time doesn't get immediately power crept in the deck building process.
Also, I've said this a few times before, but thanks you for specifically calling Satellarknights bad (not literally but you get it). I don't want to come off like "that guy" by saying it but I've always thought they were mid at best and Shaddoll never stopped being the superior deck between the two. No comment on Burning Abyss though because nobody in my circle or locals could afford to play them lmao.
There are quite a few wierd modern formats that got missed out on because of short livedness. The post bode banlist period for example, when everybody thought rusty griffin turbo was going to be the best deck.
The issue is a lot of the time these formats are good BECAUSE somebody didnt go back and discover what was really the best deck.
You say Tengu is not enjoyable because maxx c is legal but it is legal in almost every single format you mention in the video and is way more impactful from 2012 to 2016 than in 2011
You can’t take crappy TH-camrs opinions like MBT seriously especially when they contradict themselves in the same video. 😂
Maxx C is only a side deck card in Tengu. I would say it's worse than D.D. Crow back then, because the bird is better in stopping the prevalent Chaos decks, while also helping to them as a discardable dark.
I agree with MBT that there's way too many BS cards in tengu: Tengu itself, Trishula, Trap Dustshoot, Return from Different dimension, Monster Reborn, Sangan with Tour guide, BLS and Heavy Storm come to mind and having 3 Solemn cards.
Maxx C in Tengu a conditional jar of greed who becomes pot of greed occasionally, and can be quite bricky in plenty of matchups, like T.G., HERO, Gravekeeper or Gadgets.
@@N12015 yeah like edison ( as a example) doesn't have its own sacky bs cards like any other format 😒🙄
Unpopular opinion:
TOSS was super mid. It was a format we had choked down our throats for years due to "that virus" existing and ending all IRL play for years. Konami barely made any impactful cards during the period and it is extremely fleshed out. We just look back and love it bc it was all we had and our YGO escape during a time that was traumatic/limiting to most people : )
after all this time, i now understand prozd's card game spoof skits with the cows and the cheese. THE CHEESE. omg. i feel so dumb.
2013 to 2015 imo i know the banlist changed drastically during that time but that was height yugioh for me i topped my first ever regional with Mermail in 2014 i just love that deck hell i even played dragonsworn at that time and had tons of success the only issue is letting full rulers and judgement aloud due to the lower power lvl
Felt like this particular video for the thread was rather short for such a plentiful discussion, or there really weren't many formats on the video itself 🤔 I know every twitter thread video has to be around or exactly 8 minutes because algorithm and monetization reasons, but this one definitely had more room to be longer!
I hope some retro format of post cyac pre current banlist catches on, on top of the format just being super diverse, I wanna play Mathmech, and even with circ at 1 I optimized the deck so much I felt that it was in it's prime, even back during pote format it's night and day what cyac support does to the deck
Kind of surprised there wasn't a mention of Reaper Format, tbh. O.o
I want to go back to the day of rank 4 decks.
Never clicked so fast, it's time for another banger you guys!! 😁
I love how 2016 just kinda feels right. I don't even know which banlist I'd want but it feels right to me as well.
i play quite a bit of 2016 and i typically avoid the first few months of the year because chicken game was banned and i try to avoid retro formats where super cheesy cards are at 3 (chicken game in 2015/2016, mystic mine in toss, soul charge in hat, etc etc).
I think post Dabl pre Mavens format would be a great one to have live on. Tear and spright at competing levels of play. It’s not till the Ishizu cards hit that it becomes a Tear 0 game. The bystials have just dropped, branded and swordsoul are payable, exosisters got all their support allowing them to compete, and probably a lot more decks because this format lasted only a few weeks then mavens dropped and Tear Ishizu became the only name in town.
TOSS format is the single best format that has ever existed. The beautiful balance between thunder dragons, strikers, salads and orcust. All the decks were basically full power but none hard shut down the others. Strikers, orcust and thunder dragons could be built multiple ways and all the decks took a few turns to the win the game and didn’t really OTK so you always had a chance to come back and it wasn’t decided turn 2
I liked that Pend could have 7 Negates + Spell and Extra Deck Lock + Dingirsu to Protect it was amazing!
Plus the rogue decks were Altergeist, Gren Maju, and Dinosaurs.
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It was probably the best trains OTK has ever been. Most decks only had a few interactions, OTKing was something few other decks could do, and between two meta machine decks and MR4 making the lv10 Megafleet guaranteed to be live, you could get great value out of a Cyber Dragon engine.
And if you had to go first, putting up a Super Dora with Derricrane wasn't bad.
@@Capta1nTD yeah I get that a lot.
0:07 the reference
HAT format should be the 3rd one. Very diverse and fun, it's my favorite retro format and I have 8 decks for it currently, with more in the works. It really needs more attention.
Same here! I love it so much I've made all 5 tier 1 decks in paper, and a handful of tier 2 picks as well, like Chaossworn.
@@mophead1666 I've been playing with koa'ki meiru, inzektor artifact, and worm traptrix hands and they are all super fun. I've been doing really good with inzektor artifact and koa'ki meiru lately.
I have my HAT trunk all set up because I love the format so much.
I'd say Hat is a very good format. I say it's more of the Edison of Zexal, than any other format in that period. It's got some of the highest amount of viable decks in a format I've seen, the top decks are generally pretty fair for the most part, and the powerlevel and pacing is pretty much perfect for Yugioh imo. It's super fun to play and I wish that more people played it because I would LOVE to not ever have to touch dueling book to play my Geargia Karakuri deck
Give me January 2015. Nekroz were top dog then, but Teledad could plop out 3 void ogres and dark law before they got a chance to go nuts. We has soul charge too. It was a really fun time.