Let’s not forget about the 4 Kidd class destroyers which were a variant of the Spruance that did have air defense and were later sold to Taiwan also the Navy at one point were considering upgrading the Spruance class to the Kidd class standards but that never happened instead they replaced them with Arleigh Burkes
The Kidds were originally built for Iran...and therefore had upgraded environmental systems...but were seized by the US when the Shah was overthrown. But yeah, you are absolutely correct...they were Spruance Class DD's that were air-combat specialists.
The US never wanted the Kidds and only bought them to keep them out of Iranian hands after the revolution in 1979. I'd be very interested in seeing a source on the navy ever quote "considering upgrading the Spruance class to the Kidd class", because it instantly strikes me as false. Fleet AAW was and is the job of the cruisers, and the USN had no interest in destroyers that sacrificed anti-sub capabilities to also do it. Kidd had no ASROC, relying entirely on her helicopter to deploy torpedoes at range, which made her no better at ASW than a Ticonderoga (which at least got VL-ASROC in later years), which were also significantly better at AAW than the Kidds, and not that much more expensive to run. They had one of the shortest service lives of any post-WWII USN surface combatant and were quickly pawned off to the ROC as soon as the option became available.
@@Strelnikov403 you could very well be correct because the US Navy sold off the Kidds en-masse to Taiwan. Of course the USN had favored using their cruisers for AAW work so the Kidds were odd ducks in the fleet. But they could also afford to sell the Kidds off to Taiwan (as opposed to an Aegis-equipped Burke) because they were a dated design and were "used" models.
I was on one . Roomy , my buddies on Perry FF's and old DDG's(Stoddard, Strauss) were cramped . Plenty of space to get away from people on Sprucans . I was a STG and the nixie space was a good hiding spot . Open the nixie doors and chill . Up by the aft stack was another good spot . I fell short of being an 4.0 sailor lol .
@@jackmiller8851 It was the late 1980's so things were pretty calm with the cold war ending and most seemed to be just killing time . Heck we had the first Chinese warship in something like like 40 years visit Pearl where I was stationed . We went out and escorted them in then I was the lucky one (new guy lol) selected by my LT to have a picture taken with one of the Chinese crew members after we docked .
Early 1970's onboard HMAS Onslow we were tasked to intercept and track USN task force visiting Australia We sat off F for several days listening for the fleet and then one day we heard a very week SQS sonar with its signature worbles .We went sound that sound over a couple days and found the fleet which included the US Enterpise and its defence group Our skipper got us under the Enterprise and took photos of her screws .As a young sonar operator at the time it was one of the most wonderful and fulfilling moments of my life Thats for your channel really enjoy it Cheers Gary
We replaced the turbines through the top of the intakes. After the hole was cut for the first one, the top was bolted back on. 32kts going downhill..... I don't think so. They were fast and we exceeded that 32+ on quite a few occasions.
FWIW, good job! A minor suggestion: stick to post WWII and Cold War era vessels, Drach has WWII and earlier covered, there is a huge gap for Cold War era vessels, (your strong era) and there are herds of post 1950 era USN vets ready to jump in to comment on these ships and some of their operations. Thanks for the hard work and well researched videos.
I didn't hear any mention of USS Moosbrugger in the narrative. For one of her early cruises, she was host to an experiment/trial to see how good a Spruance could be against Soviet subs. Some of the personnel were hand-picked for the deployment, including some from the Intelligence Specialist, Aerographer's Mate, Sonarman, Torpedoman, Electronics Techs, Radiomen and even Communications Techs. One can only speculate what kind of evaluation a spooky group like this was all about, but the 'Moose' apparently raised the bar, becoming especially well known for prosecuting contacts with long-range detections coming from her towed array. She was in some demand after that, showing up in some NATO operations, disappearing on independent ops that nobody would talk about and even getting a mention in a Clancy book. I guess that's when you know word about you is getting around. So here's to the 'Moose', and showing 'em how it's done.
I was a sonar tech aboard the Moose from 81-84. We were the test platform for the SQR-19 towed array sonar. Changed the game. We could drop the “tail” down into deep sound layers and pick up subs from very far away. How far away? VERY far away…😉
We did some ops with Moose; I was on. Flight II FFG sporting an SQR-19. We harrassed some Soviet subs, but it was a bitch trying to find 688s in opfor training.
I had some NATO submariners described being tracked by a Spruance sonar in Bottom Bounce Track mode like being inside a metal trashcan while someone wailed on it with a baseball.bat.
Negative on the changing engines through the smoke stacks. They cut holes in the side of the hull and changed them in our overhaul in 1991 at Ingall’s Shipyard in Goula. USS Peterson DD-969 The Proud Pete
Served onboard USS Caron as an STG from oct 87 to sept 89. Was part of the crew and onboard during the Black Sea incident. Very tense several hours. I was not a pipelined STG so I ended up with AN/SQS 53B "C" school. Only pipeliners got 53C school. Great vid brings back lots of memories.
I became extremely giddy when I saw you released this bit about the Sprucan. I served aboard the CARON DD970 (pronounced Karen) as my first sea command. Loved every minute of it and was heart broken when we decommed her in 2001. The Sprucan's top speed was a lot faster than 32 kts. I remember steaming South along the East Coast and passing cars on US 1. Every time I hear Frankie Valli's Can't take my eyes off you, I flash back to laying in my rack in Operations berthing, covering my head with my pillow thinking, "Oh my God, please make it stop." (If you know, you know). No, you can not sit up in your rack, unless you were on a top bunk and then you had to watch out for pipes and duct work. CIC changed significantly since that photo was taken. The OOD is on the bridge, that seat would be for the TAO/Captain. That suction effect is known as the Venturi effect and I have seen first hand what it can do to ships, especially during a RAS. That pic of the Russian ramming, is actually of the CARON. You can tell because the Harpoons were mounted on the 03 weather deck on Sprucans, and on the fantail on TICO's. Oh, and your information on the CARON's sinking is wrong though. She was accidentally sunk off the coast of PR during some experimental DC equipment testing. Needless to say, the experimental equipment failed. A little history about the CARON. CWO John Walker was her RMC and CMS custodian in the late 70's. Part of his demise was after he PCS'ed, the CARON went into the yards and they found several burn bags FULL of material, that was signed off as being destroyed, stashed under deck plates, behind lagging, and AC ducting.
My Stepfather was a Signalman on the USS. Oldendorf DD-972 1983-1984 and I got to go aboard her several times! To a 5-6 year old kid, she was a beautiful ship!!!!!! Great breakdown! Thanks. Brought back some great memories!
They were sometimes called 'cruise ships' because of the lack of visible armament, especially compared to Soviet ships which fairly bristled with weaponry. The counter argument was that the US systems were more reliable and efficient, and that the Sovs carried a lot of weapons 'in hope that something would work'. In the mid-'70s, I saw a poster in an NROTC office that said, "When you're out of FRAMs, you're out of cans", comparing WWII refurb ships to the new, spacious SPRUANCEs.
@@maximmatusevich3971 😄 Good one! The gear works, but somebody took 'We just may need this...' WAY too far! 🤔 In fairness, it seemed to me that the Soviets were looking to get off overwhelming salvos for a quick win instead of realitively long conflict, IF the unthinkable took place.
@@petesheppard1709 Well to be fair i think soviets are packed with missiles for the same reason. They expect overwhelming numbers so equip themselves with moar missiles.
Really enjoy your Soruence Brief. I was a civilian marine piping designer at Ingalls. Started at ingall in 82. Worked on Spruence, Kidd, Ticondaroga class as well as several other classes. Got away from them around 88. Ive long since retired. Abt a year ago i was looking the Spruence up to see what came of them. Sad to read they are sunk. No museum ship. Anyway, thanks to all of you who served on those ships. I cant say enough.
I really like SQS-53C bow mounted sonar which also continues to the Arleigh Burke DDGs, not only it acts as Sonar but also as Bulbous bow which reduce slamming and also The bulb modifies the way the water flows around the hull, reducing drag and thus increasing speed, range, fuel efficiency, and stability. Really nice touch by the USN.
My Stepfather was on Oly in 83-84. He was a Signalman, and I got to go aboard a couple of times before West-Pac. She was a beautiful Ship. Thank both of you gentlemen!
These destroyers were simply wonderful, it would be good to convince the navy to rebuild the same ships but with an improved variant equal to or superior to the Burke class, in my opinion the Spruance class and the Tico class are eternal ships that are worth an evolution of They are my humble opinion, I have to hope that the high command of the navy can read and consider the words of this server
It's a shame that the 24 members of this Spruance class, which had been upgraded with Mark 41 VLS tubes, were retired early. It would be nice if all of our carriers and LHD ships were escorted by one. You'll be even better if they've been upgraded to fire quad packed ESSM from 12 or 16 VLS tubes and reserved to the rest for a handful of VL-ASROC and 30 Tomahawks.
Lots of good information. Some of it is incorrect suchas the hull number of Arthur W. Radford is DD 968. I spent several years on the Radford and we never had a towed sonar array installed. That mission was left to the Perry class. A Spru-can with a towed array seems like a waste to me. Dragging an array around at 5 knots isn't what it was designed for. Frigates, helos, S3 Viking, P3 Orions or other assets would make initial contact and then call on us to pounce on it. There's still a lot about the Spruance class that is still classified including differences between each ship within the class beyond what you noted. Overall a good presentation 👌 👏
I don't know where you're getting some of your information from, but you're putting out some incorrect info. The two armored box launchers for Tomahawk were operational, not for testing. The ship is a DD, not a DDG. I was on USS Deyo, when I got on board we had the ASROC launcher with one armored box launchers on either side of it for the Tomahawk and mount 51, the forward five in mount. After I left they removed the ASROC and box launchers and installed Mk 41 VLS. And no, you could not sit up in your rack.
I served on USS O'Bannon (DD-987), USS Yorktown (CG-48), & USS McInerney (FFG-8). You mention the SQS and SQR sonar systems. Not all Spru-cans were equipped with the SQR system. The SQS system was all but useless in sub hunting. Our port & starboard lookouts found more subs that the SQS system ever did. Later in life, the SQR was installed and we could find shrimp at 50 mile range. You also mention 20 minute startup; that was only after warming lube oil for the shafts. Top speed O'Bannon achieved was still classified last time I seen her and it was above 32 you have mentioned. It was achieved after a challenge from a British DD we were running with at the time. We smoked them ! ! ! O'Bannon was equipped with a Faruno nav radar and not the SPS-64. An interesting note on CIC, the Navy visited the set of the original Star Trek bridge. The TAO (Tactical Actions Officer) could see every sensor output either directly or by turning the chair slightly (including who may be entering or leaving CIC.
Loved this one, served aboard the Conolly in 1981. By the way, her hull number was DD-979. You listed that hull as the Radford, a different class ship altogether (38:54). Not trying to be too picky, just letting you know.... maybe I'm just misunderstanding something. Love these ship briefs, it brings everything together for a one-stop-shop. Thanks for taking care of the "heavy work!"
@@ericjustice5742 got it, thanks! I guess my big point was it was was not hull 979... that was the Conolly.... either way, thanks for the clarification!
When you were covering the 60 and 9 radar, the 60 role was not defined correctly. The 60 was a separate doppler radar for AAW only. It was separate from the 9 even though they both got feed into the Video Processer in DPC. The 9 would track all surface and low flyers. FC1, MK86 Data and Display tech (NEC1129) and also a MK86 C school instructor. USS Cushing DD-985 and FTC San Diego. Also, in CIC, the main chair is for the TAO, not the CO. Overall a good video, it sure brought back a lot memories for me. Thanks so much!
Asroc is actually an Australian designed weapon. We call it Ikara. The Americans loved the idea and offered us 4 new destroyers and a large sum of cash. The Australian government said NO. The Americans said, Well, we'll just build it ourselves. Australian politicians stuffed up again. What did they think the response would be? We could have doubled our destroyer squadron if we'd kept the pollies out of it.
USS Peterson DD-969 "Proud Pete". 2/78 - 7/81, missed being in the commissioning crew by about 6 mos. So many 1st for the Proud Pete. Sep 79 - detected the 1st Soviet Echo II Class Sub in about 10 years - disabled on the surface the night we transited across the Gulf of Aden north of the Socotra anchourage...yes we used our SPS-64 commercial radar in emcon that night to sneak up to them and yes on day 3 when we finally detached from our intel gathering we slammed them with the SQS 53 at full power and narrowest beam width...oh my 😯but that's what we did in the Cold War!
My father served on one of these when I was young. I still have fond memories of the enlisted mans mess back when they used to allow the sailors to bring their kids onboard.
I've worked on those engines! used to be at a site doing repair/overhaul and some oem on the turbine segments, blades and rings for these GE and similar kind of era PW + RR.
Hey Jive, just an FYI there's going to be a new modern Submarine simulator called Modern Naval Warfare. What I could see you could take command and control of a Virginia class SSN, it's probably going to be like a modern day version of the UBoat game with higly detailed submarine interior and world features.
Hey there Jive! Great video. Have been working in various capacities in the Ingalls Shipbuilding facility for about 15 years now. Heard about these from a few co-workers that were around when these were being built. Love learning about the ships made there before my time and the current programs I work on. Keep'em coming, skipper!
1982 I saw a Spruance class at sea blast buy us about a mile away Flank speed. The rooster tail she put out gigantic!!! I bet they were 40 plus nots. I was on the USS Roark ff 1053.
As a young sailor, an Electronics Tech, I saw a lot of these ships during my tour aboard a Destroyer Tender. These ships were the first to use high tech electronics in the Radar and Communications. They were filled with circuit cards and when one went bad you didn't fix it, you just replaced it. The Navy figured that it wasn't worth the effort for a tech to fix a card when it could be replaced for less than 500 bucks. It also meant that you didn't have to spend a lot of money training your techs if all they did was replace cards. The problem with this was that the Navy didn't contract for spares! After the initial supply of cards ran out the cost escalated into the stratosphere. All of a sudden most of the ET's were going to miniature/micro-miniature electronic repair courses. The 5" gun was a problem too in it's early life. After a couple of shots the hydraulic hoses would burst. The CWIS Phalanx system also had it's teething problems. It was completely self contained but the seals couldn't keep out the water making it unreliable. Most of the crew referred to it as "Ch---t! It won't shoot!". Habitability was good too. Many of the compartments were painted in different color pastels, not all white and pea green in every compartment.
What about the Prairie Masker system? This ship had the ability to mask her presence by venting the turbine exhaust gas down under the hull creating a envelope of bubbles around the hull. Sub sailors said that all it sounded to them was like it was raining topside. One of the major reasons this ship was replaced by the Burke class destroyer is the Spruance had an aluminum superstructure. If you want to know about when aluminum catches fire look up what happened to the USS Belknap CG-26. The Burke is all steel topside.
I’m just a snipe sent to 2M right out of A school. On board, we had ETs fighting over who would fix the cards. Eventually we came to the conclusion that snipes fixed snipe gear, and ETs would fix everything else.. I felt like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest with cards popping left and right. Good times.
I served on the USS John Young DD-973 for over 4 years in the late 80's. I am surprised you didn't mention Operation Nimble Archer in the Persian Gulf.
Not sure how many but some was sold to turkey. Being on the Caron she topped out at 35 knots and also was on a Burke class that did 38 and there was one Burke that had a change to the fantail and allowed it to do 40 knots
ASROC with torpedo or nuke in the box launcher had fully variable range from min to max. It was a good idea to shoot nukes at max range though. The ASROC booster was solid fuel with fixed power and burn time. Even so, we could drop the warhead at any distance desired. Tricky 😁. I was a MK 111 computer operator and tech (STG). Fortunately no nukes were launched except for tests. We thought of ASROC as point defense since max range was far short of a sub launched torpedo.
Nice job on the Brief, a bit of trivia for you. The only ship the navy has ever had that didn't have the name in block letters was a Spruance. DD981 USS John Hancock the name was done in script like he signed the Declaration with and the Stern is at the Navy museum. 2 side notes Spruance class were a major part of the Tanker protection in the early 80's Persian gulf. Russian subs don't like being Pinged every hour for over a week as they try to Hide .He He
I understand that Taiwan was interested in acquiring 4 to replace the 8 Knox class frigates. This would have been in addition to the 4 Kidd class destroyers already purchased. I think that is a no brainer but the Navy had a serious bout of brain up the tush syndrome at that time.
If the navy hadn't killed the naval reserve, the class would have made a good destroyer for that role. At least the 24 with VLS. And if needed they would still be a very useful ship. With the low use in reserve, the ships could have lasted decades longer.Going to gas turbines cut the crew size. On steam powered ships, the engine and boiler room crew was about 1/3 to 1/2 of the sailors. To increase speed in steam, another boiler may have to be lit off, brought up to pressure and cut in. It could take an hour. And WWII built destroyers had to slow to 17 knots to cut in as saturated steam before returning to superheated steam. Gas turbine just took a few minutes to warm another turbine and it was ready.
At just after the 6:30 mark they are referred to as DDGs. This is incorrect as is the corresponding slide. Spruance class destroyers were DDs and never classified as DDGs. The 4 Kidd class destroyers were classified as DDGs.
Interesting fact about the AGM-84E SLAM is that they were developed in a relatively short 48 months and were used in the Gulf War before being officially tested.
NATO SeaSparrow is still in use today, they are on CVNs and LHDs. We updated the system bringing it current with new technologies. This system gives the larger deck ships some self defense capabilities with a longer range than RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile) and CIWS should anti ship missiles get passed the other ships in the Carrier Battle Group.
The Spruance class, in my opinion, was a waste of a great hull. It was classic US Navy minimizing armament on a vessel. It should have been a DDG from the beginning, like the Kidd class. Is the Ticonderoga class based on the Spruance hull?
The early models of the CGs were, from the Main deck down, the same hull. I served on both classes DD969 and CG57, From the Engineering Department point of view they were damned near identical. Different Waste heat boilers. I have been told that later models of the Ticos had the hulls modified but I don't know what changes were made.
Ah, good ol' days, lol. Bow checking seems like it would've been best time for PX ware swaps...'Murica Marlboro carton of cancer sticks for Rusky Reds' carton of cancer sticks chucked at each other. A different kind of diplomacy for a change, heh.
They did make a Land Attack Harpoon variant but so far as I know it is only an air launched version SLAM and SLAM-ER. I AM NO EXPERT but as far as I know they have not employed them on ship or sub. May have been tested on ships but nothing else that I am aware.
Great brief! If you have time check out the Nat'l Film Board's (CDN) documentary on Canadian Tribal Class destroyers designed at the same time as the Spruances. "Sisters of the Space Age" provides a good compare and contrast of the two classes and the design thoughts at the time (primary ASW threats). I spent 6 years on HURON and enjoyed all of it (except cleaning stations and Capt's rounds)!!
OMG I am learning SO MUCH from this video I didn't know dude!😝🤪 I was trying to wait to the end to post all the frkn comments I got about all the content in this brief, but I can't remember them all. I'm amazed at all the face melting tech and the previously unknown details and stories about them. ....and among many other comments that there would be. Sonar Grandmaster Jive (Aaron) Turkey Thank you for the awesome brief.. and many more...😁
Didn’t mention that the skiff accident twisted the Spruance keel. They had the original Foster, NOT Forester, ready to go so they switched hull numbers. Foster’s keel keys say U.S.S. Spruance DD963. Foster crew ‘93-‘96. Been there, touched them as well.
At 29:23ish could they open a starboard as well or limited to just launching from port side? I always thought we should have one torpedo tube facing aft on submarines also perfect for deploying mimes w/o makeup to prevent contaminating the water and giving away our position
Around the 11:15 part of this video he mentioned that the Mark 45 5” gun could shoot at a missile but would probably not hit it. Well I served on USS Peterson DD-969 from 1991-1993 and we did a deployment over to the Red Sea and while we were patrolling looking for ships going in and coming from Iraq we had a training day where we had a Target in Tow weapons systems test with a jet airplane towing a missile behind it on a cable around a mile behind it and we simulated missile defense launches but didn’t fire a real one off obviously but we did shoot the Mark 45 5” gun on the bow at it after the Lear jet passed over it. As soon as it passed and was outbound they flipped the radars on and they immediately started tracking an incoming missile our target in tow test dummy. Well they used these powder type rounds that we could see visually with our eyes explode in front of the missile with a big burst of smoke and immediately after that the missile popped through and we could see it bouncing around from going through the 5” round powder puff round(that’s what I called them and i loaded MT51 during GQ) and they did 4 or 5 passes with that jet until they were done and finished off the Target in Tow with the CIWS Phalanx burst of 20mm rounds that lasted 3-4 seconds max and that was all she wrote for that Target as it shredded it into pieces and the debris just fell into the water. My point is that plane wasn’t going Mach anything as far as speed goes compared to a real missiles speed but the 5” gun did hit it multiple times with those powder rounds and I seen it and the funny thing was I felt safe on my boat but always thought of missile attacks or torpedo attacks would be the only way we’d get sunk but after that test I felt a whole lot better. We did lose a fight with a US Navy sub though is a find and kill exercise so that’s why torpedo attacks kinda still stayed in the back of my mind. Oh yeah we did end up shooting 14 Tomahawk missiles in June of ‘93 into downtown Baghdad blowing up their intelligence agency along with the USS Caron who also launched 9 Tomahawk missiles from their location in the Persian Gulf as we were in the Red Sea. USS Peterson DD-969 The Proud Pete
I'm stopping where the Russian skiff rams the Yorktown. I was on an American ship in 71, when we seemed to irritate the Russians, US destroyer, USSR Cruiser. They were 2 or 3 ft (1m or less) from us. I was in the chow line, the Russians were in theirs. The look on both sides was the same! Holy F! Years later, as a merchant seaman, I'm on watch with a Ukrainian, he tells me about the first time he saw an American was when he was serving on a Soviet Cruiser, (same time) and they were 'intimidating' an American destroyer in the Med. .. I said "Wait, What!?" Stuff happens!
So they thought that by eliminating any potential competition from another shipyard that they could get their ships built cheaper? The entire Johnson administration must have failed economics class.
Paul F. Foster had (still has) 4 generators, they put one in aux 1 when they were experimenting with an "all electric" (as opposed to using the Waste Heat Boilers) design.
Let’s not forget about the 4 Kidd class destroyers which were a variant of the Spruance that did have air defense and were later sold to Taiwan also the Navy at one point were considering upgrading the Spruance class to the Kidd class standards but that never happened instead they replaced them with Arleigh Burkes
The Kidds were originally built for Iran...and therefore had upgraded environmental systems...but were seized by the US when the Shah was overthrown. But yeah, you are absolutely correct...they were Spruance Class DD's that were air-combat specialists.
The US never wanted the Kidds and only bought them to keep them out of Iranian hands after the revolution in 1979. I'd be very interested in seeing a source on the navy ever quote "considering upgrading the Spruance class to the Kidd class", because it instantly strikes me as false. Fleet AAW was and is the job of the cruisers, and the USN had no interest in destroyers that sacrificed anti-sub capabilities to also do it. Kidd had no ASROC, relying entirely on her helicopter to deploy torpedoes at range, which made her no better at ASW than a Ticonderoga (which at least got VL-ASROC in later years), which were also significantly better at AAW than the Kidds, and not that much more expensive to run. They had one of the shortest service lives of any post-WWII USN surface combatant and were quickly pawned off to the ROC as soon as the option became available.
@@Strelnikov403 you could very well be correct because the US Navy sold off the Kidds en-masse to Taiwan. Of course the USN had favored using their cruisers for AAW work so the Kidds were odd ducks in the fleet. But they could also afford to sell the Kidds off to Taiwan (as opposed to an Aegis-equipped Burke) because they were a dated design and were "used" models.
I was on one . Roomy , my buddies on Perry FF's and old DDG's(Stoddard, Strauss) were cramped . Plenty of space to get away from people on Sprucans . I was a STG and the nixie space was a good hiding spot . Open the nixie doors and chill . Up by the aft stack was another good spot . I fell short of being an 4.0 sailor lol .
@@jackmiller8851 It was the late 1980's so things were pretty calm with the cold war ending and most seemed to be just killing time . Heck we had the first Chinese warship in something like like 40 years visit Pearl where I was stationed . We went out and escorted them in then I was the lucky one (new guy lol) selected by my LT to have a picture taken with one of the Chinese crew members after we docked .
Greetings from a 3.2 sailor who was always "progress towards" advancement (or I would have made 1st)
Early 1970's onboard HMAS Onslow we were tasked to intercept and track USN task force visiting Australia
We sat off F for several days listening for the fleet and then one day we heard a very week SQS sonar with its signature worbles .We went sound that sound over a couple days and found the fleet which included the US Enterpise and its defence group
Our skipper got us under the Enterprise and took photos of her screws .As a young sonar operator at the time it was one of the most wonderful and fulfilling moments of my life
Thats for your channel really enjoy it
Cheers Gary
We replaced the turbines through the top of the intakes. After the hole was cut for the first one, the top was bolted back on. 32kts going downhill..... I don't think so. They were fast and we exceeded that 32+ on quite a few occasions.
Much faster
a hell.of a lot faster too
Love to see one on Knox-Class, a friend I work for served on three different Knox class, and was Captain of the USS Robert E Peary FF-1073.
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On the USS Hull?
That was a Forrest Sherman-class destroyer.
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Wasn't pointing fingers.
FWIW, good job! A minor suggestion: stick to post WWII and Cold War era vessels, Drach has WWII and earlier covered, there is a huge gap for Cold War era vessels, (your strong era) and there are herds of post 1950 era USN vets ready to jump in to comment on these ships and some of their operations. Thanks for the hard work and well researched videos.
I didn't hear any mention of USS Moosbrugger in the narrative. For one of her early cruises, she was host to an experiment/trial to see how good a Spruance could be against Soviet subs. Some of the personnel were hand-picked for the deployment, including some from the Intelligence Specialist, Aerographer's Mate, Sonarman, Torpedoman, Electronics Techs, Radiomen and even Communications Techs. One can only speculate what kind of evaluation a spooky group like this was all about, but the 'Moose' apparently raised the bar, becoming especially well known for prosecuting contacts with long-range detections coming from her towed array. She was in some demand after that, showing up in some NATO operations, disappearing on independent ops that nobody would talk about and even getting a mention in a Clancy book. I guess that's when you know word about you is getting around. So here's to the 'Moose', and showing 'em how it's done.
I appreciate your kind words. We would call out 'The Moose is Loose" on the 1MC when getting underway.
More Than Required, Mate!
I was a sonar tech aboard the Moose from 81-84. We were the test platform for the SQR-19 towed array sonar. Changed the game. We could drop the “tail” down into deep sound layers and pick up subs from very far away. How far away? VERY far away…😉
I remember the Moose back in the day
We did some ops with Moose; I was on. Flight II FFG sporting an SQR-19. We harrassed some Soviet subs, but it was a bitch trying to find 688s in opfor training.
I was a sonar tech aboard the USS Kinkaid (DD-965) from 1985-1989. *salute* to my shipmates
I too served on USS Kinkaid 1987-89. OI Div...
@@RetiredSailor60 *salute* Thank you for your service!
I left Kinkaid February 89, 7 months before their fatal collision...
Costs skyrocketing on a military project? Inconceivable!
I had some NATO submariners described being tracked by a Spruance sonar in Bottom Bounce Track mode like being inside a metal trashcan while someone wailed on it with a baseball.bat.
Awesome. I was curious what it was like competing against a Spruance for a Sub guy.
Bottom bounce could be tiresome on the crew after awhile. Sounded like standing next to a gong while someone was hitting it.
Negative on the changing engines through the smoke stacks. They cut holes in the side of the hull and changed them in our overhaul in 1991 at Ingall’s Shipyard in Goula.
USS Peterson DD-969
The Proud Pete
I served on The Moosbruger DD-980 for 30 days TAD while waiting on my 1st submarine to come to port.
Served onboard USS Caron as an STG from oct 87 to sept 89. Was part of the crew and onboard during the Black Sea incident. Very tense several hours. I was not a pipelined STG so I ended up with AN/SQS 53B "C" school. Only pipeliners got 53C school. Great vid brings back lots of memories.
I became extremely giddy when I saw you released this bit about the Sprucan. I served aboard the CARON DD970 (pronounced Karen) as my first sea command. Loved every minute of it and was heart broken when we decommed her in 2001. The Sprucan's top speed was a lot faster than 32 kts. I remember steaming South along the East Coast and passing cars on US 1. Every time I hear Frankie Valli's Can't take my eyes off you, I flash back to laying in my rack in Operations berthing, covering my head with my pillow thinking, "Oh my God, please make it stop." (If you know, you know). No, you can not sit up in your rack, unless you were on a top bunk and then you had to watch out for pipes and duct work. CIC changed significantly since that photo was taken. The OOD is on the bridge, that seat would be for the TAO/Captain. That suction effect is known as the Venturi effect and I have seen first hand what it can do to ships, especially during a RAS. That pic of the Russian ramming, is actually of the CARON. You can tell because the Harpoons were mounted on the 03 weather deck on Sprucans, and on the fantail on TICO's. Oh, and your information on the CARON's sinking is wrong though. She was accidentally sunk off the coast of PR during some experimental DC equipment testing. Needless to say, the experimental equipment failed. A little history about the CARON. CWO John Walker was her RMC and CMS custodian in the late 70's. Part of his demise was after he PCS'ed, the CARON went into the yards and they found several burn bags FULL of material, that was signed off as being destroyed, stashed under deck plates, behind lagging, and AC ducting.
My Stepfather was a Signalman on the USS. Oldendorf DD-972 1983-1984 and I got to go aboard her several times! To a 5-6 year old kid, she was a beautiful ship!!!!!! Great breakdown! Thanks. Brought back some great memories!
Ask him if he remembers EN-3 ( Flash !?)
@markfleishman8196 I can't. He is in prison for life, and I haven't talked to him since 1994-5. Drugs are wild man, ruins everything.
They were sometimes called 'cruise ships' because of the lack of visible armament, especially compared to Soviet ships which fairly bristled with weaponry. The counter argument was that the US systems were more reliable and efficient, and that the Sovs carried a lot of weapons 'in hope that something would work'.
In the mid-'70s, I saw a poster in an NROTC office that said, "When you're out of FRAMs, you're out of cans", comparing WWII refurb ships to the new, spacious SPRUANCEs.
Why are your soldiers then packed with gear?
@@maximmatusevich3971 😄 Good one! The gear works, but somebody took 'We just may need this...' WAY too far! 🤔
In fairness, it seemed to me that the Soviets were looking to get off overwhelming salvos for a quick win instead of realitively long conflict, IF the unthinkable took place.
@@petesheppard1709 Well to be fair i think soviets are packed with missiles for the same reason. They expect overwhelming numbers so equip themselves with moar missiles.
@@maximmatusevich3971 Thankfully, it never got past interesting discussion--and may it stay that way!
@@petesheppard1709 ye i agree. Although what if this tension is a conspiracy to run training exercises against say....
Aliens??????
Really enjoy your Soruence Brief. I was a civilian marine piping designer at Ingalls. Started at ingall in 82. Worked on Spruence, Kidd, Ticondaroga class as well as several other classes. Got away from them around 88. Ive long since retired. Abt a year ago i was looking the Spruence up to see what came of them. Sad to read they are sunk. No museum ship. Anyway, thanks to all of you who served on those ships. I cant say enough.
I really like SQS-53C bow mounted sonar which also continues to the Arleigh Burke DDGs, not only it acts as Sonar but also as Bulbous bow which reduce slamming and also The bulb modifies the way the water flows around the hull, reducing drag and thus increasing speed, range, fuel efficiency, and stability. Really nice touch by the USN.
Do a crazy video about L Ron Hubbards Navy career.
The Dianetics guy?
You don't want that cult coming after you.
Good looking ships, retired too early...
I served on the USS Kinkaid DD965 from 1977-1980. I loved living on this ship and I still miss it all these years later.
I served on Kinkaid 1987-89
Loved those ships. Did 3 cruises on DD-972 USS Oldendorf.
I was on Oly's DECOM crew!
My Stepfather was on Oly in 83-84. He was a Signalman, and I got to go aboard a couple of times before West-Pac. She was a beautiful Ship. Thank both of you gentlemen!
Station onboard 86to88.home ported yokosuka Japan.BMC 1st div.
These destroyers were simply wonderful, it would be good to convince the navy to rebuild the same ships but with an improved variant equal to or superior to the Burke class, in my opinion the Spruance class and the Tico class are eternal ships that are worth an evolution of They are my humble opinion, I have to hope that the high command of the navy can read and consider the words of this server
It's a shame that the 24 members of this Spruance class, which had been upgraded with Mark 41 VLS tubes, were retired early. It would be nice if all of our carriers and LHD ships were escorted by one. You'll be even better if they've been upgraded to fire quad packed ESSM from 12 or 16 VLS tubes and reserved to the rest for a handful of VL-ASROC and 30 Tomahawks.
Heartbreaking. I loved serving on the CARON, but they served their time. 30+ years for most of them.
I was on the uss Hewitt DD 966 from 89 to 93 we fired tomahawks in January of 93. We conducted ship boarding operations in 91in the red sea
Lots of good information. Some of it is incorrect suchas the hull number of Arthur W. Radford is DD 968. I spent several years on the Radford and we never had a towed sonar array installed. That mission was left to the Perry class. A Spru-can with a towed array seems like a waste to me. Dragging an array around at 5 knots isn't what it was designed for. Frigates, helos, S3 Viking, P3 Orions or other assets would make initial contact and then call on us to pounce on it.
There's still a lot about the Spruance class that is still classified including differences between each ship within the class beyond what you noted. Overall a good presentation 👌 👏
Excellent analysis and presentation! Former 80's Navy vet!
I don't know where you're getting some of your information from, but you're putting out some incorrect info. The two armored box launchers for Tomahawk were operational, not for testing. The ship is a DD, not a DDG. I was on USS Deyo, when I got on board we had the ASROC launcher with one armored box launchers on either side of it for the Tomahawk and mount 51, the forward five in mount. After I left they removed the ASROC and box launchers and installed Mk 41 VLS. And no, you could not sit up in your rack.
Thanks Buddy, yes, lots of misinformation is this video, poorly researched
I served on USS O'Bannon (DD-987), USS Yorktown (CG-48), & USS McInerney (FFG-8). You mention the SQS and SQR sonar systems. Not all Spru-cans were equipped with the SQR system. The SQS system was all but useless in sub hunting. Our port & starboard lookouts found more subs that the SQS system ever did. Later in life, the SQR was installed and we could find shrimp at 50 mile range.
You also mention 20 minute startup; that was only after warming lube oil for the shafts. Top speed O'Bannon achieved was still classified last time I seen her and it was above 32 you have mentioned. It was achieved after a challenge from a British DD we were running with at the time. We smoked them ! ! !
O'Bannon was equipped with a Faruno nav radar and not the SPS-64.
An interesting note on CIC, the Navy visited the set of the original Star Trek bridge. The TAO (Tactical Actions Officer) could see every sensor output either directly or by turning the chair slightly (including who may be entering or leaving CIC.
Loved this one, served aboard the Conolly in 1981. By the way, her hull number was DD-979. You listed that hull as the Radford, a different class ship altogether (38:54). Not trying to be too picky, just letting you know.... maybe I'm just misunderstanding something. Love these ship briefs, it brings everything together for a one-stop-shop. Thanks for taking care of the "heavy work!"
No, the Rusty Radford was a Sprucan. She just had that fugly mast.
@@ericjustice5742 got it, thanks! I guess my big point was it was was not hull 979... that was the Conolly.... either way, thanks for the clarification!
My dad served on the Connally from 78 to 82
When you were covering the 60 and 9 radar, the 60 role was not defined correctly. The 60 was a separate doppler radar for AAW only. It was separate from the 9 even though they both got feed into the Video Processer in DPC. The 9 would track all surface and low flyers. FC1, MK86 Data and Display tech (NEC1129) and also a MK86 C school instructor. USS Cushing DD-985 and FTC San Diego. Also, in CIC, the main chair is for the TAO, not the CO. Overall a good video, it sure brought back a lot memories for me. Thanks so much!
Asroc is actually an Australian designed weapon.
We call it Ikara. The Americans loved the idea and offered us 4 new destroyers and a large sum of cash. The Australian government said NO. The Americans said, Well, we'll just build it ourselves.
Australian politicians stuffed up again. What did they think the response would be?
We could have doubled our destroyer squadron if we'd kept the pollies out of it.
966 was my favourite 😁
USS Peterson DD-969 "Proud Pete". 2/78 - 7/81, missed being in the commissioning crew by about 6 mos. So many 1st for the Proud Pete. Sep 79 - detected the 1st Soviet Echo II Class Sub in about 10 years - disabled on the surface the night we transited across the Gulf of Aden north of the Socotra anchourage...yes we used our SPS-64 commercial radar in emcon that night to sneak up to them and yes on day 3 when we finally detached from our intel gathering we slammed them with the SQS 53 at full power and narrowest beam width...oh my 😯but that's what we did in the Cold War!
Saw Proud Pete when I was stationed in Norfolk. Great ship. the whole class was top notch.
My father served on one of these when I was young. I still have fond memories of the enlisted mans mess back when they used to allow the sailors to bring their kids onboard.
My son served on DD-992 Fletcher in the early 2000s
I've worked on those engines! used to be at a site doing repair/overhaul and some oem on the turbine segments, blades and rings for these GE and similar kind of era PW + RR.
Caron is pronounced "Karen." Named after HM3 Caron who died in Vietnam.
Thanks for correcting the narrator. I proudly served aboard the USS Caron.
@@mikesibert1723 I was there 84-87 CTT2
I was on the John Hancock DD-981, 1978. Precom to 1981, we had Kaman SH-2 Seasprite helo's , lamps II. Nice roomy ships.
Hey Jive, just an FYI there's going to be a new modern Submarine simulator called Modern Naval Warfare. What I could see you could take command and control of a Virginia class SSN, it's probably going to be like a modern day version of the UBoat game with higly detailed submarine interior and world features.
Hey there Jive!
Great video. Have been working in various capacities in the Ingalls Shipbuilding facility for about 15 years now. Heard about these from a few co-workers that were around when these were being built. Love learning about the ships made there before my time and the current programs I work on. Keep'em coming, skipper!
1982 I saw a Spruance class at sea blast buy us about a mile away Flank speed. The rooster tail she put out gigantic!!! I bet they were 40 plus nots. I was on the USS Roark ff 1053.
Re F-35 loss. Have you done a segment on the Navy's deep sea salvage capabilities?
As a young sailor, an Electronics Tech, I saw a lot of these ships during my tour aboard a Destroyer Tender. These ships were the first to use high tech electronics in the Radar and Communications. They were filled with circuit cards and when one went bad you didn't fix it, you just replaced it. The Navy figured that it wasn't worth the effort for a tech to fix a card when it could be replaced for less than 500 bucks. It also meant that you didn't have to spend a lot of money training your techs if all they did was replace cards. The problem with this was that the Navy didn't contract for spares! After the initial supply of cards ran out the cost escalated into the stratosphere. All of a sudden most of the ET's were going to miniature/micro-miniature electronic repair courses. The 5" gun was a problem too in it's early life. After a couple of shots the hydraulic hoses would burst. The CWIS Phalanx system also had it's teething problems. It was completely self contained but the seals couldn't keep out the water making it unreliable. Most of the crew referred to it as "Ch---t! It won't shoot!". Habitability was good too. Many of the compartments were painted in different color pastels, not all white and pea green in every compartment.
What about the Prairie Masker system? This ship had the ability to mask her presence by venting the turbine exhaust gas down under the hull creating a envelope of bubbles around the hull. Sub sailors said that all it sounded to them was like it was raining topside. One of the major reasons this ship was replaced by the Burke class destroyer is the Spruance had an aluminum superstructure. If you want to know about when aluminum catches fire look up what happened to the USS Belknap CG-26. The Burke is all steel topside.
I’m just a snipe sent to 2M right out of A school. On board, we had ETs fighting over who would fix the cards. Eventually we came to the conclusion that snipes fixed snipe gear, and ETs would fix everything else.. I felt like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest with cards popping left and right. Good times.
Which AD were you on? I served on USS Cape Cod AD 43 1984-86
I was on the USS Samuel Gompers, AD-37 1975-78, R-4 Div shop 67A.
Thanks, brother!
I served on the USS John Young DD-973 for over 4 years in the late 80's. I am surprised you didn't mention Operation Nimble Archer in the Persian Gulf.
Not sure how many but some was sold to turkey. Being on the Caron she topped out at 35 knots and also was on a Burke class that did 38 and there was one Burke that had a change to the fantail and allowed it to do 40 knots
Top quality work sir! As usual, nobody compares to Sub Brief when it comes to the facts and your personal experience is so eye opening!
ASROC with torpedo or nuke in the box launcher had fully variable range from min to max. It was a good idea to shoot nukes at max range though. The ASROC booster was solid fuel with fixed power and burn time. Even so, we could drop the warhead at any distance desired. Tricky 😁. I was a MK 111 computer operator and tech (STG).
Fortunately no nukes were launched except for tests. We thought of ASROC as point defense since max range was far short of a sub launched torpedo.
Commissioning crew to the USS John Rodgers, DD-983. Hull # 21. 1979 It was a test bed for future DDG development.
Nice job on the Brief, a bit of trivia for you. The only ship the navy has ever had that didn't have the name in block letters was a Spruance. DD981 USS John Hancock the name was done in script like he signed the Declaration with and the Stern is at the Navy museum. 2 side notes Spruance class were a major part of the Tanker protection in the early 80's Persian gulf. Russian subs don't like being Pinged every hour for over a week as they try to Hide .He He
My Ship!!!! DD979 USS Conoly.
Really shortsighted to not keep them in mothball fleet longer🤷🏻♂️
Lol the Navy got the 31st Sprucan via the Steve Miller Band Method. They took the money and ran.
Ddg 993 to 996 and Dd 997 were originally part of an order by the Shah of Iran for 6 DDs that the US Govt canceled after the Iranian revolution.
Thanks so much for this Excellent episode …!
Such a handsome class of ship. I'm gonna listen to this while I play U-boat.
I understand that Taiwan was interested in acquiring 4 to replace the 8 Knox class frigates. This would have been in addition to the 4 Kidd class destroyers already purchased. I think that is a no brainer but the Navy had a serious bout of brain up the tush syndrome at that time.
If the navy hadn't killed the naval reserve, the class would have made a good destroyer for that role. At least the 24 with VLS. And if needed they would still be a very useful ship. With the low use in reserve, the ships could have lasted decades longer.Going to gas turbines cut the crew size. On steam powered ships, the engine and boiler room crew was about 1/3 to 1/2 of the sailors. To increase speed in steam, another boiler may have to be lit off, brought up to pressure and cut in. It could take an hour. And WWII built destroyers had to slow to 17 knots to cut in as saturated steam before returning to superheated steam. Gas turbine just took a few minutes to warm another turbine and it was ready.
The SLAM variant was used in Gulf War 1. It targeted a petroleum manifold near Basrah.
My step father was on the Harry W. Hill out of San Diego.
At just after the 6:30 mark they are referred to as DDGs. This is incorrect as is the corresponding slide. Spruance class destroyers were DDs and never classified as DDGs. The 4 Kidd class destroyers were classified as DDGs.
Good job MIC SHILL, stick with what you are good at. Excellent presentation 👍
Plank Owner DD-963 DS2
Interesting fact about the AGM-84E SLAM is that they were developed in a relatively short 48 months and were used in the Gulf War before being officially tested.
The MK 41 VLS carried SM-2 missile for air defense.
NATO SeaSparrow is still in use today, they are on CVNs and LHDs. We updated the system bringing it current with new technologies. This system gives the larger deck ships some self defense capabilities with a longer range than RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile) and CIWS should anti ship missiles get passed the other ships in the Carrier Battle Group.
The Spruance class, in my opinion, was a waste of a great hull. It was classic US Navy minimizing armament on a vessel. It should have been a DDG from the beginning, like the Kidd class. Is the Ticonderoga class based on the Spruance hull?
The early models of the CGs were, from the Main deck down, the same hull. I served on both classes DD969 and CG57, From the Engineering Department point of view they were damned near identical. Different Waste heat boilers. I have been told that later models of the Ticos had the hulls modified but I don't know what changes were made.
Ah, good ol' days, lol. Bow checking seems like it would've been best time for PX ware swaps...'Murica Marlboro carton of cancer sticks for Rusky Reds' carton of cancer sticks chucked at each other. A different kind of diplomacy for a change, heh.
Love sub brief!
Sea Sparrow missile systems had a poor reputation when I was in the navy
I never did see ours in working order, only being worked on
They did make a Land Attack Harpoon variant but so far as I know it is only an air launched version SLAM and SLAM-ER. I AM NO EXPERT but as far as I know they have not employed them on ship or sub. May have been tested on ships but nothing else that I am aware.
and the slick 32..:)
84 - 88 DD-982 Nicholson
Great brief! If you have time check out the Nat'l Film Board's (CDN) documentary on Canadian Tribal Class destroyers designed at the same time as the Spruances. "Sisters of the Space Age" provides a good compare and contrast of the two classes and the design thoughts at the time (primary ASW threats). I spent 6 years on HURON and enjoyed all of it (except cleaning stations and Capt's rounds)!!
Did he mention what replace the wonderful Spruance class destroyers?
Cool video, I knew nothing about this ship.
it looks like the video on sonar from nov 2018 that was referenced was taken down?
Brilliant explanation.
OMG I am learning SO MUCH from this video I didn't know dude!😝🤪 I was trying to wait to the end to post all the frkn comments I got about all the content in this brief, but I can't remember them all. I'm amazed at all the face melting tech and the previously unknown details and stories about them.
....and among many other comments that there would be.
Sonar Grandmaster
Jive (Aaron) Turkey
Thank you for the awesome brief..
and many more...😁
yay
Spru-Can!
Do you plan to cover the fletcher class in the future? One of the most underrated ships imo
Didn’t mention that the skiff accident twisted the Spruance keel. They had the original Foster, NOT Forester, ready to go so they switched hull numbers. Foster’s keel keys say U.S.S. Spruance DD963.
Foster crew ‘93-‘96. Been there, touched them as well.
What if they built a torpedo for non war times that can attach to a submarines rubber layer and just emit a broadband noise underwater.
The Spruance was a DD not a DDG no guide missiles .
At 29:23ish could they open a starboard as well or limited to just launching from port side? I always thought we should have one torpedo tube facing aft on submarines also perfect for deploying mimes w/o makeup to prevent contaminating the water and giving away our position
Talking about some golden oldies, how about our nuclear-cruisers, the CGNs like the Long Beach. 🙋🇺🇲⚒️🇷🇺
I helped with some inspections on what's left of the LONG BEACH last year. Kind of sad seeing the old ships getting cut up and recycled.
What defense is available to an inbound torpedo. Be a Sub, or a Surface vessel. I hear of decoys and fizzy things but is there any real defense?
Around the 11:15 part of this video he mentioned that the Mark 45 5” gun could shoot at a missile but would probably not hit it. Well I served on
USS Peterson DD-969 from 1991-1993 and we did a deployment over to the Red Sea and while we were patrolling looking for ships going in and coming from Iraq we had a training day where we had a Target in Tow weapons systems test with a jet airplane towing a missile behind it on a cable around a mile behind it and we simulated missile defense launches but didn’t fire a real one off obviously but we did shoot the Mark 45 5” gun on the bow at it after the Lear jet passed over it. As soon as it passed and was outbound they flipped the radars on and they immediately started tracking an incoming missile our target in tow test dummy. Well they used these powder type rounds that we could see visually with our eyes explode in front of the missile with a big burst of smoke and immediately after that the missile popped through and we could see it bouncing around from going through the 5” round powder puff round(that’s what I called them and i loaded MT51 during GQ) and they did 4 or 5 passes with that jet until they were done and finished off the Target in Tow with the CIWS Phalanx burst of 20mm rounds that lasted 3-4 seconds max and that was all she wrote for that Target as it shredded it into pieces and the debris just fell into the water.
My point is that plane wasn’t going Mach anything as far as speed goes compared to a real missiles speed but the 5” gun did hit it multiple times with those powder rounds and I seen it and the funny thing was I felt safe on my boat but always thought of missile attacks or torpedo attacks would be the only way we’d get sunk but after that test I felt a whole lot better.
We did lose a fight with a US Navy sub though is a find and kill exercise so that’s why torpedo attacks kinda still stayed in the back of my mind.
Oh yeah we did end up shooting 14 Tomahawk missiles in June of ‘93 into downtown Baghdad blowing up their intelligence agency along with the USS Caron who also launched 9 Tomahawk missiles from their location in the Persian Gulf as we were in the Red Sea.
USS Peterson DD-969
The Proud Pete
Can u do a video on uss kidd class?
I'm stopping where the Russian skiff rams the Yorktown.
I was on an American ship in 71, when we seemed to irritate the Russians, US destroyer, USSR Cruiser. They were 2 or 3 ft (1m or less) from us. I was in the chow line, the Russians were in theirs. The look on both sides was the same! Holy F!
Years later, as a merchant seaman, I'm on watch with a Ukrainian, he tells me about the first time he saw an American was when he was serving on a Soviet Cruiser, (same time) and they were 'intimidating' an American destroyer in the Med. ..
I said "Wait, What!?"
Stuff happens!
Huge underarmed DD’s. Not upgraded to DDG.
So they thought that by eliminating any potential competition from another shipyard that they could get their ships built cheaper? The entire Johnson administration must have failed economics class.
Johnson was one of the biggest Crooks and ConArtists in history ..
@@bradhartliep879 You got that right.
How difficult is it to reload the VLS? Does the ship have to go back to port or can it be reloaded underway?
good old spook 9...:)
Are the KIDDs (AAW SPRUANCEs originally intended for Iran before the Islamic revolution) still operating with Taiwan?
I believe so
@@M167A1 Thanks
Yes.
Taiwan got a good deal, was on one of of them a few years.
@@russellparker5272 True! Before that, the USN got a GREAT deal!
The Spruance class was not an electric ship, it had 3 gas turbine generators for electric power and 4 Alison LM2500 for propulsion.
Paul F. Foster had (still has) 4 generators, they put one in aux 1 when they were experimenting with an "all electric" (as opposed to using the Waste Heat Boilers) design.
As a former Paul F. Foster sailor it pains me to hear you mispronounce her name.
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