"I was once asked by a reporter, do I think Automatons feel pain? I could only reply with, Liberty I hope so!" - Unnamed Helldiver, Battle of Vernen Wells.
"I lost a good friend...3 Bestfriends, therefore, I have nothing, only thing I have is super earth, and I shall sacrfice myself to it." - Wishfuleast2, 2nd Battle of Malevelon Creek
As an automiton only diver, the first thing I noticed when I landed, was absolute hate. And i appreciated it. It honestly felt nice to see an enemy who hates me just as much as I hate them. Dare I say, it was love at first sight
The Automations clearly seem to have some sort of self preservation instinct, flinching when shot at, taking cover from bullets, being effected by suppression, or the latest example of up armoring their walker to protect the operator better. There has to be something sentient about them.
The issue is none of those things can’t also be explained differently. Flinching as a result of the physical force of impact, taking cover to improve combat efficiency, armoring walker to also improve combat efficiency. Potentially they’re just programmed to kill as much as possible and that just so happens to coincide with living longer. It doesn’t necessarily mean their life is valuable to them, just that their life must continue to further their true goal.
@@NoNo-xh7ru "To the democracy officer reading this text to sanction it. I am in no way sympathetic towards those who want to rob us of OUR SUPERIOR MANAGED FREEDOMS,THE VALUES OF ALGORITHM ARRANGED FAMILIES AND CONTROLLED LIBERTY! I am sharing a misinformation riddled theory with my fellow citizens of super earth to help us understand why we need to avoid the propaganda funded by the enemies of super earth!" They are future robots. Yet.... They look mostly humanoid? They miss quite often? They use iconography and symbols? THEY HAVE PILOTS in their bigger war machines? They have different military ranks as we see more ornate looking "commissars" leading more basic looking troops? It can only make sense if they are not ACTUALLY robots but WILLING or more disturbingly UNWILLING cyborgs. If we Listen closer to the distorted voices... Some of the patrols made of troopers and commissars are heard chanting... It also sound like they say hateful insults as they fight...(That is just speculation tho as the distortion is too severe) Not very compatible with soulless robots. Again the chanting implies they have morale... Those are the WILLING ones. Now to the disturbing part. The Berserkers especially sound like they are not willing to fight at all... I had doubts while playing myself. Then i found a post on reddit where someone slowed down their voice lines... This is what it sounds like. “Dear god, (unintelligible) The suffe-(Unintelligible)” “Help me, the suff- (unintelligible)” “Eternal suff-(glitch)er-(scream of pain)” It appears that the process to make an automaton requires human parts. They seem to retain part of their consciousness despite their brains being used to run death machines... It could be that some of the cyborgs of the previous war for Cyberstan were not reintegrated into the reeduca... I mean the freedom camps. The loss made them more radicalised and they have been planning and plotting the creation of this new sinister army.
Helldiver serving aboard the Octagon of Individual Merit, reporting: Instead of jamming the Automoton comms of an entire planet, using a large scale solution that the bots could solve with their own large scale solution (something they have proven to excel at), I propose hitting them on the battlefield level: The SH-32 Shield Generator Pack already has a very powerful, man portable power supply which can be produced at industrial scale. If we could develop a powerful, short range network jammer capable of cutting off individual Automoton units from the network, and deploy them as a new strategem backpack, it would greatly increase the effectiveness of our assault teams. A squad level solution also allows for much "dirtier" broad spectrum jamming, the sort that could interfere with strategem calls and radio comms but would also be much harder for the bots to find a workaround to. A planet or systemwide form of dirty jamming would cripple our own operations, but at the squad level and with short range, the pack could just be switched off when the team needs to call in strats or report their status, then switch it back on. Meanwhile, from the Automoton perspective, they now have a much more difficult question to answer: They would either need to accept a doctrinal change, and no longer allow troops to close into close range with Network Jammer Pack equipped teams (say goodbye to Berzerker Swarms, Flame Hulk Rushes, or mass bot drops directly onto our positions); or they would need to accept a logistical change, and provide substantial upgrades to the network technology present within every single individual unit deployed, which would increase the materiel production cost of every single Automoton unit by several orders of magnitude. It would also have the additional benefit of making it very difficult for frontline bot units to request reinforcements in a timely manner, making any breakthrough actions easier to exploit by ground teams. Tl;dr if we can figure out a squad level, short range jamming solution, such as with a new strategem backpack, we could force a complete doctrine change from the Automotons, or at the least make it easier to out attrition them.
@@toptiergaming6900 yes but that would block it from reciving orders from comand and make it harder to find wich given the heldiver "factions" that are forming id say its a bad idea
automatons dont use networks: when one bot detects an enemy, they have to _launch a flare_ to attract drop ships. when a gunship detects an enemy, no other bots investigate. if you take out every bot in a patrol fast enough, no other bots investigate.
SES Flame of Wrath here: A while ago, I experienced something that might potentially corroborate what your presentation spoke of. So, back on Vernen Wells during the Trolley Problem, me and my friend from the SES Song of Twilight encountered 2 Automaton Troopers who were not only impervious to all damage we threw at them, but were friendly towards us. They never fired a single shot nor did they call for more bots, choosing to instead follow us harmlessly. We decided to bring them aboard to see if we could glean any intel from them. While we made the trek to the extraction point, we speculated on why “Blip” and “T”, as my friend opted to name them, were this way. Perhaps some bots are capable of seeing the error of their ways and choose to seek a better life? Another friend of mine speculated that perhaps they were once Super Earth colonists who somehow fought through the code imbedded in their minds. Truth be told, we still have no idea why our two mechanical friends chose to renounce their brethren and embrace democracy. But your presentation might provide another piece to this puzzle, and vice versa. Blip and T have since been working faithfully with the maintenance crew, and seem to be enjoying their new lives. So, it’s possible that the bots may just be sentient, even if it’s a very crude imitation of it. Call me crazy if you please, but in our defence, the SEAF training manual never said anything on what to do with immortal enemy defectors.
@@klortikterra4423 I agree with this statement. It's not often we see it, but it's a welcome surprise. It's even better knowing we took them before the Automatons found out whatever makes them immortal.
S.E.S. Wings of Freedom here, I've encountered this scenario with comrades and figured that theese things are unable to change themselves from what they are, but they are able to in mind, and therefore, we should judge them by how they think rather than how they simply appear, so these robots of which seek to liberate the stars with us should be accepted as our own.
I do still wonder why they've blended so many humans. I don't think they're turning people into robots at all, but the bio-processor suggests that they're getting some resource by doing this. They certainly wouldn't have any qualms about doing it. To them its like smelting metal.
I've watched their processors at work. I cannot fathom what they need it for. 1 of 2 things stand out to me. The processors lead no where, and that they are necessary. It's a very real possibility, that this is a tool of plain horror, for the sake of horror. I'd like to know though... Because they are just flat out evil
If you notice one constant in Automaton design, there’s prominent red tubes throughout their bodies, I’d assume the bio processors make a meat slurry that automatons use as coolant or like hydraulic fluid. They also fizzle when they have their heads destroyed, most likely because of fluids coming into contact with circuitry. Not to mention the Helldiver gets covered in red blood when an automaton is killed, similar to the green bug guts.
@@matoro4140 Blood, as slick as oil... This could be accurate. We should still be mindful of the use of Petrol amongst automatons. But this will definitely be explored!
I dunno man, considering the amount of human corpses you can find at the bot factories, sometimes dissected on slabs, sometimes in cages or the like, there's gotta be a reason they need the bodies.
If we are to believe that the automaton are then a hive mind, it would seem to reason that they have to have some place for storage of the data needed to run them. Therefore, it's likely at cyberstan or some place beyond the current map. I believe it would be too taxing to fight our way there, so perhaps, to take single planets, similar to dark fluid deployment, we deploy communication jammers large scale. It seems to reason that if they can continue to summon bot drops while our strategems are jammed, they must have some sort of high priority signal backend we have yet to find. Therefore, coating a planet in signal jammers should theoretically cut access to that infinite loop.
BINGO! I was thinking of making the local star of the captured planet do a Coronal mass ejection, interrupting all solar communications long enough to perma-kill the automatons planet side. Show them they can after all still die, permanently.
Interesting! We could also do a nuclear electromagnetic pulse. If we make a couple strong enough ones and drop and detonate in a high enough altitude we could also do a brief cut of connection for all automatons planet side. Seeing how super destroyers are usually on all sides of the planet, it's possible to sync the drop to ensure the entire planet loses communications at once. Also, having the bombs explode in the air will also decrease the amount of nuclear fallout allowing super earth citizens to return to the post haste. Theoretically any of these options should save 1000s of Helldivers that could be used to fight other threats or to actually take their homeworld computer.
@creeperreaper0862 That's a very sound theory. Unless the bots have something prepared for such a scenario. This could all lead back to the Cobalt bomb. Radiation can disrupt radio signals pretty spectacularly. Perhaps the Cobalt bomb could be refit for EMP purposes 🤔
if we capture 2 automatons from diffrnet planets and figure out what direction the signals are going in we could wind the point that they meet, this should be the location they are contoled from, or at least a communications relay. also one potental, albeit poor method of disrupting communications could be somehow moving the gloom to the automation front, as it easily disrupts super earth communications im sure it could stop automation comms as well.
This video was made so beautifully. The narration. The music. The thought provoking questions. The editing. The commentary. And that excerpt. So amazing. Keep doing videos like this. They’re perfect. This is very mind opening. How you come up with all this is wonderful. Seriously I’m just so grateful this game and community that’s all satire , can provide such deep and even disturbing content when analyzed.
Heister from a bygone era here. We have a device called the pocket ECM, short for "Electronic CounterMeasure". It's mainly for disabling cameras, radios, and cellphones. But you guys have magnitudes more powerful machinery than us. You could create an ECM that jams the automaton connection! Even if for a short while. Imagine the panic, suddenly having the buzz of all of your friends and families voices suddenly cease. A short while where you can truly die. And if they do somehow manage to live to the end of the jam, they're going to report the terror, assuming that they are capable of such an emotion. Ooh! Gotta go! We're going to some blacksite by some company named "Muddywater" or whatever.
I have dived against bugs when ordered, but as a predominantly bot only diver, I can tell you that the bots have a different kind of hate to the bugs. Bugs hate everything but are pretty brainless. But the bots are different. No matter where you drop, they will swarm the location and tactically do their best to both kill you and protect their assets. I imagine it’s similar to old wars fought before the unification of super earth. The bots seem to be an adversary far worse than bug divers give them credit for.
The Main threat on bugs planets is usually 0 visibility and no radar, with many bugs not having visual indicators. You ever have 2 spore shrooms and 2 stalker nests on a planet with constant fog and no radar? Bots I can always see where the weakspot is. It's red.
SES Princess of Twilight here. The Automatons remind me of an ancient 21st century show called Battlestar Galactica. The robots in that show, called Cyclons, experimented on humans to create robots called Skin jobs to make flesh and blood robotics. Perhaps the Automatons are using colonists to create a skin job of their own to infiltrate Super Earth territory. Another worrisome thing is the amount of remains near bot fabricators. Many automaton units look like a human skull and spine installed into a combat unit and perhaps this answers why so many colonists are missing.
@@internetuser320 Super earth NEVER employs the use of the T word. Every sentient being that is introduced to out way of life chooses to defect willingly after a short stay in our wonderful freedom camps. If the automatons don't it simply means they are not sentient. I did my duty by reporting you to the democracy office for patriotic readjustment.
Helldiver from the SES Warrior Of Humankind, 1st Alliance Squadron. I and other divers in the regiment have thought several times on how the bots may be more efficiently crushed, and it has come to our attention that a digital virus is barely of any use, it may disturb communications, but whatever makes the automatons work cannot be infected so easily.. or they have thousands upon thousands of dedicated maintenance bots, who can react faster than our best human nameseeks. I propose disecting a live a automaton, still functioning. The ethics of such experimentation may be questionable... but there's surely an electronic port on these things, hook it up to a super earth computer safely contained in a virtual machine, and look through as fast as you can until it tries anything itself.
Do not question the ethics, Helldiver! They're our enemies, soulless and heartless! We must do anything to stop the enemy, no matter the cost! For Super Earth!
I think the automatons mental focus/health/stability depends on the individual. A trooper is similar to a normal human in mind, without fear or question. Devastater’s are similar. Berserkers and hulk berserkers are maniacs who only find joy in a kill streak. Hulks are protective to the smaller friends (to a degree). I’ve seen hulks see me start shooting at a squad of troopers, and then run in my firing lane giving them cover, before turning its guns on me. The tanks and striders are piloted by troopers, but more confident.
Another amazing video. One thing I find haunting about your use of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" as an example is that if we were to abbreviate "Automaton Menace" it would be "A.M."; Crazy coincidence!
I was once asked about my thoughts on the automatons, "The Automatons have feelings. Some say they're cold and heartless, I say they're quite the opposite and full of full and warm emotions. They're feelings are just hidden behind they're cold metal bodies. More than this though, they understand feelings and emotions; I believe this because they know how to evoke fear in a man that makes him think of not just his greater self, but his lesser self; to make him see how little his god cares and how little he himself is. This fear reachs into you, it hits at the molecular level and it burns down to the marrow. I know this because the fire of fear they ignited inside of me still burns hot to this day" - malevelon creek veteran
@bumkinboi509 this means so much. Thank you, I really enjoy making these Thumbnails and video essays, expect more! We got one premiering tonight. Should tune in!
I love this video! Love the style of a documentary withing the Helldivers universe, very high quality and can't wait for more like this 👍 For Super Earth!
BY FAR THE MOST UNDERRATED HELLDIVERS2 TH-camR BRO I LOVE THIS SO MUCH. It takes a deeper look unto the enemies of the game that most HD2 youtubers don't thank you you deserve All the fame. FORR SSUPPERR EARTHH!!!!!!!!!!🌐🦅💥
I just came back from the defense of Imber. And while I was on the planet I did hear an odd murmur or human like unintelligible dialogue come from a beserker while it was charging me. Swiftly I gave the bot menace death but for a brief moment I tried to listen beyond its robotic ramblings. It only brought me curiosity. - sus/ SES/ Forerunner Of Freedom
Honestly, didn’t think I’d listen to the whole thing but you sucked me in. Great presentation and story telling. That recording was great and so full of emotion. Subbed! Looking forward to more!
I've heard the clankers say that they cannot stop when I've dropped down on a bot controlled planet, whether that be in pain of fighting us or in a sadistic glory of marching to their deaths at the ends of our rifles and cannons.
This was incredibly well thought out, eloquently delivered, and fantastically presented. Philosophy and Helldiving isn't a combination often seen -especially when you're far too busy laying fire down upon these enemies-, and this posed a fascinating look into just what may make the Automatons as ruthless and wrathful as they are. The SES Song of the Stars is a primarily Terminid extermination crew, and the difference between the Bug front and Bot front on a psychological level is night and day. Even with Bot specialized allies at our side, our hardest battles are always against the Automatons. There's an entire galaxy of difference in fighting out of instinct, versus fighting out of pure, vitriolic wrath. Fight on, Divers. - SES Song of the Stars Command Crew
Understanding the connections first is vital. For all we know, the automatons collectively feel that the actions they have taken are measured and compassionate ... they are not for the record. But we cannot fathom what the twisted intellect may consider good or wrong. It is plausible that severing individual bots from what ever collective consciousness or hive mind they may or may not have could result in behavioral changes that make the war harder for super earth. Understanding what connection, if any, gives us a clue on how the bots think and process information at various levels. If we can cause some kind of network attack, it has to be massive and near all encompassing to their entire population. A large population that remains could go into hiding and re-emerge even stronger than before. What ever survives the network attack (if possible) should be quick to deal with by S.E.A.F. forces. Helldivers could then have a continuous mission to hunt down survivors and any small, isolated pockets of population left. These populations would be isolated and tiny that rebuilding is out of the question for them especially with the helldivers still hunting them down actively.
Admiral MacMillan of the SES Arbiter of Justice here. Our forces fought for Malevelon Creek- both times. It was hell, but through the teamwork of us Helldivers, we accomplished the goal. With this new Democratic Space Station in orbit, we'll be able to take back what is rightfully ours.
Useing strong emp weaponry could cause an isolated disconnection breffly allowing for the affected machines consciousness to be permanently removed from the system.
In a recent automation adjacent notification (the one congratulating helldiver's for capturing one of the required planets for the napalm orbital barrage) it said the automatons on the remaining planet will fight harder as they feel surrounded and defenseless so they feel desperate and alon
I must ask where was that audio for I have no mouth but I must scream from? It sounds like a great narration of the story. Also, your video quality continues to impress me. Well done again.
At least with the grunts I have observed that they are more conservative in their approach, the ones with blades will guard themselves with their arms when shot at, an advance of mg raiders will be slowed by suppressive fire. When it comes to medium enemies they advance at a steady pace while protected by their heavier armor, while the bersekers will rush you in hopes that they can kill you before you kill them. For the heavy and super heavy enemies they barely have anything to worry about, the scorcher only charges at you to close the distance meanwhile the gunships are observed to move around to make themselves harder to hit
Love the presentation of the videos. Almost feels like I'm being briefed on stuff. Edit: Saw another theory that suggested that brains are put in the automatons, (not enough to make them a cyborg, theyre still otherwise very much machine, but it explains the need for morale, propaganda, marching cadence.) Which kinda gives me the idea to write a story about a helldiver who fights like a demon, only to be critically wounded and captured, his brain put into a berserker and is forced to suicidally charge at his former comrades. His brain now acting as a processor merely for his reaction time as it fights desperately to stop, but is unable to.
“I still hear the screams of my comrades dying from that night. We received the major order to liberate Malevelon Creek. Unusually we kept being deployed from one mission to the next without receiving even the basic maintenance and supplies, but this situation was the same all around we were to late reaching the operation the SEAF Ground Troops had already retreated the automatons pursued me relentlessly as soon as I thought I'd lost them there they were. The neverending sound of the chanting put fear in my heart for the first time…” Unnamed Helldiver formerly part of the Aegis of Redemption with 3 others the 3 members were killed in action on the first days of the Malevelon Creek Liberation Campaign.
the day i meet an automaton sobbing is the day that i'll stop fighting, war would have gone too far for a robot to cry there's no point in fighting a robot if all we did was making them more "alive" for the sake of it
If they're more alive... Perhaps they'll stop fighting too. If we ever come to a day where an Automaton and a Super Earth soldier refuse to kill each other because they know the other is a living being deserving of their own life - then the war would end. Then it all will not have been for naught.
As a former max rank Diver that regularly finished Helldives, I went AWOL as soon as I found out the truth about the bots and bugs and I haven’t played since. FOR CYBERSTAN!
Hi member of the purifyers here. I have long proposed counterpropaganda to offer salvation to the damned Liberty is a flame and the unfaithful will burn The bugs will choke. And the bots will melt. Into scrap.
As someone who's been on the bot front since the creek i can confirm the Automotons are obviously Sentient, they've created their own chants, they speak, they scream, they laugh, but most importantly they hate. Your conclusion dear scientist is brilliant.
Something i preposed to the Ministry of Science is the creation of a Stealth Super Destroyer that would be designed to sneek deep into enemy teritory to conduct reconisance or percision strikes on industrial or tactical targets. If there is a central location in Cyberstan, a small task force could appear above the planet and destroy it with mini nuke shells
Heres my theory The automatons do feel, they do contain sentience and to a certain degree do have self preservation but i believe that they may have code that overrides it like putting a blindfold over their senses leaving nothing but anger against their supposed enemy this could be why we see them do things such as call for reinforcements whilst simultaneously go for a full headlong charge without regard for safety. With the warning signs i would believe that those were for the cyberstan cyborgs or potential human slaves since we dont see automatons built for construction they might just make use of the human populace to build their machines and then either exterminate them or send them off world deeper into their territory. With the link severance if my theory about the self preservation blindfold is true then it could be code set to enable depending on set parameters making severing the link near impossible but if it is some kind of connection the only way to test would be to sever all frequencies of communication on a planet and attempt to catch the automatons off guard this would be the most efficient way to test this.
The bots also march, in cadence. Why would robots march and chant in cadence? They have to be somewhat sentient, because if they were unfeeling machines, they would have no need to march in cadence while chanting.
2:06 the cyborgs are still alive enslaved on cyberstan, the automatons were created by cyborgs that escaped beyond our sector to reclaim cybertan and save the cyborgs. Cyborgs still exist
That’s why the automatons were so desperate to get to cyberstan that they did a flank maneuver to get there However it would be a great twist if they arrived on cyberstan and the cyborgs were just.. all gone, like the cyborgs being alive was propaganda from super earth to keep the idea alive that they still had them under control and they didn’t just all die out after 100 years
SES warrior of the people here maybe have a cannon mounted (like the lazer cannon for example) short range jammer that you can aim at a group of bots within its cone of influence that can jam the communications to their network. And possibly give the super earth ministry of intelligence a way to hijack the signal and possibly break the signal encryption for short term hacking that the DSS can use to gain an advantage?
I always understood Berserkers as repurposed Devastators that's been previously destroyed. Their essentials, repaired. Their armour, removed and replaced with the jagged scrap metal they now are clad in, making them lighter and faster on their feet. Their old weapons, if intact, installed on the new Devastators that are currently in production. The cheap but deadly mechanical blades given to them instead - a stark contrast from the high-tech energy blades of the automaton infantry. I don't know if most of the automatons I fight are sentient or not. Somehow I feel that most aren't. They are opportunistic. They see an angle they can shoot you from, they take it. They spot you and they march straight at you. They are not strategic. They are not coordinated. They don't try to trick you. Their one tactic is to make you face as many of them at once as they feasibly can. These do not hint to me at any individual sentience - though the soundness of their fortifications and tactical deployments certainly hints at a greater understanding of the battlefield at large... Perhaps by something higher, some commander unit up there in orbit?..
I am in Super Earth High Command, and any Super Philosopher is allowed to discuss topics in benefit to Super Earth on condition that they routinely check in with the Ministry of Truth. This does not contradict with the Scientific Fact that Automatons are Soulless. They may have computated emotions, fears, and self-preservation protocols which is to be further investigated by the Ministry of Science.
I think the individual hate an Automaton experiences for us is the envy for wanting to feel, to love and to express. I think deep down they don't truly hate us, they feel as if their chance at life has been robbed from them.
SES - Lady of Twilight Reporting: After extensive campaigning across Gaellivare, Imber, Participating in the liberation of the Talus Sector and with more than 20k Automatons confirmed to be killed. They sound pained, their rasping voices choking out in smog smothered air. They live a pained existence, and that is only outshadowed by their hate for humanity. They are guided by that principle and while not a Hive Mind, I believe that overwriting hatred must be some part of their collective abominable intelligence.
Espero que esas cosas sientan dolor, porque eso es lo que les haré pasar. Buen video por cierto, es bastante interesante tus teorías, y ciertamente agregan más profundidad al asunto de los autómatas
Bold to believe those walking toasters can think in the first place. However, any search for weaknesses in the enemies of democracy is a good search. Continue your efforts, for the glory of Super Earth!
if you want to exploit their networks then simply find a way to drop a device that screams over all local networks they use the equivalent of loud nonstop random noises. it would force them to disconnect from it to properly communicate. Of course theres no hiding what this is or that it means theres an enemy presence somewhere nearby, but it would disorganize them after being discovered (mix that with some orbital artillery and bam, you have an overwhelmed enemy in disarray)
Not a traitor, but i wouldn't suggest to capture one of these machines like an animal. Remember, even if OUR signals are jammed they can still request for drop ships, which means that even if that captured automaton is in Super Earth itself, the connection WILL be enough to directly send a reinforcement request straight to super earth.
My idea is to first perform broad spectrum analysis of front line automation planets, and look for specific signals from automations being killed. Track where these signals are traveling, and send multiple rockets loaded with nuclear arms to these planets that may be housing these networks that could be recycling automation "consciousness". Detonate these devices in the upper atmosphere to ionise it and prevent signals from reaching the system
If I'm not mistaken, (And I know very little about helldivers lore so I may be) the bugs are able to establish a hivemind by sending information through some undiscovered or ill-understood dimesion, no? I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume the automaton have harnesses the "technology" the bugs evolved or were gifted for themselves. If we ourselves can harness or at least find the weakpoint of this trans-dimensional communication, then we may be able to sever BOTH of the greatest threats to democracies' comms. The war would surely be a landslide victory if helldivers could communicate through our comparatively primitive radio, visual, etc. comms networks while the enemies struggle to adapt without their hivemind connections. The bots may even be unable to function without it, leading to mass shutdowns or deserting among their ranks.
I love the fact that our democratic propaganda tells us that they’re not sentient, they don’t feel pain or more but you know what? I actually like the idea that they can feel so I can democratically hurt them more! This was such an enlightening presentation that I’m sure my democratic officer will approve and use as briefing on board, then organize our next bot dives based on this. We vote for science, we vote for pain. SES: Glove of Honor out.
SES Lady Of Victory Helldiver Inspection Notice: "When I was Down there i disarmed a bot, That bot looked at me in the eye rather then hate i saw fear. It didn't want to die, it wanted to live and so i let it live. Then when i was outnumbered that bot saved me. I didn't Understand why but the bots left as i reach the extraction point. I looked at that bot one last time before i left, I saw grateful and Honor from a bot, I didn't understand why but i saw life that day. I never told anyone but my callsign will be known if anyone read this. i might be considered a traitor but it is a truth." -Commander Mist
Autamatons are definitely sentient. Evrything we see them do can be explained by algorithms tryin to improve efficiency, or minimize losses from a purely objective and analytical perspective. However, i have seen glimpses of contempt in the bots. Mutilated diver torsos and heads, impaled on spikes and place on the perimeter of outposts, and a few times, i have seen a huge slab of solid, flat metal, with corpses laid upon it as if in a ritual at the apex of larger outposts. Perhaps its nature is spiritual, or religious. But whatever the purpose of these slabs, i cant see a purely strategic focused ai wasting time on such ritual acts. There are souls trapped in those metallic monstrosities, twisted by...something.
Remember this, actually... The automatons notice you, why do they have to alert with flares too? AND, why when they're in combat, do other automatons have to SEE, and not just be collective in a hivemind? But the terminids immediatly know becuase they alert eachother like a hivemind, but the automatons seem singular. And also, huge theory the dead bodies are used in the automatons, just like they did with the burtcherer and how they put robots on human parts.
Berserkers are suicide bum-rushers, mainly because they're complete and utterly fucking insane. That, and most berserkers who bum-rush their enemies, typically survive, as the enemy unit has already been ground into paste by their meatsaws.
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"I was once asked by a reporter, do I think Automatons feel pain? I could only reply with, Liberty I hope so!" - Unnamed Helldiver, Battle of Vernen Wells.
Vernen Wells was a rough one.
"I lost a good friend...3 Bestfriends, therefore, I have nothing, only thing I have is super earth, and I shall sacrfice myself to it." - Wishfuleast2, 2nd Battle of Malevelon Creek
I don’t care if they feel pain, I do care if they feel fear. Helldiver 039457 Veteran of Malevelon Creek.
Woke divers 2, scuffed warhammer 40k
I keep pushing even tho i lost my whole squad, veteran of malovelen creek
As an automiton only diver, the first thing I noticed when I landed, was absolute hate. And i appreciated it. It honestly felt nice to see an enemy who hates me just as much as I hate them. Dare I say, it was love at first sight
*At first fight
I think he wants to fuck the robots.
*hate
hatred being on the same coin as love just its negative. makes sense
You bot sympathiser, love towards the automaton scum is treason, I will be reporting this to my nearest democracy officer
when you play against automatons and fight a berserker you can actually hear it's screams of (probably) pain
Sounds like you’ve spent too much time with the dog breath drone without your helmet on. Don’t worry it’s only…permanent
@@SirQwert god I love democracy!
@@TheChosenCat-zq7bz it might be phychotic laughter rather than scream of pain from what I heard. Both is possible
I swear the berserkers sometimes sound like they're saying "I can not stop!"
They sound more like they’re laughing. Like a maniac. One as someone said can’t stop. Because they ENJOY killing.
The Automations clearly seem to have some sort of self preservation instinct, flinching when shot at, taking cover from bullets, being effected by suppression, or the latest example of up armoring their walker to protect the operator better. There has to be something sentient about them.
they are descended from the Cyborgs, after all...
Also, it should be noted that, in game there are moments when automaton might decide to run away if they are the last one on their squad
The issue is none of those things can’t also be explained differently. Flinching as a result of the physical force of impact, taking cover to improve combat efficiency, armoring walker to also improve combat efficiency. Potentially they’re just programmed to kill as much as possible and that just so happens to coincide with living longer. It doesn’t necessarily mean their life is valuable to them, just that their life must continue to further their true goal.
They still have human brains, or at least it’s assumed that they do
@@NoNo-xh7ru
"To the democracy officer reading this text to sanction it.
I am in no way sympathetic towards those who want to rob us of OUR SUPERIOR MANAGED FREEDOMS,THE VALUES OF ALGORITHM ARRANGED FAMILIES AND CONTROLLED LIBERTY!
I am sharing a misinformation riddled theory with my fellow citizens of super earth to help us understand why we need to avoid the propaganda funded by the enemies of super earth!"
They are future robots. Yet....
They look mostly humanoid? They miss quite often? They use iconography and symbols?
THEY HAVE PILOTS in their bigger war machines? They have different military ranks as we see more ornate looking "commissars" leading more basic looking troops?
It can only make sense if they are not ACTUALLY robots but WILLING or more disturbingly UNWILLING cyborgs.
If we Listen closer to the distorted voices...
Some of the patrols made of troopers and commissars are heard chanting... It also sound like they say hateful insults as they fight...(That is just speculation tho as the distortion is too severe)
Not very compatible with soulless robots.
Again the chanting implies they have morale...
Those are the WILLING ones.
Now to the disturbing part.
The Berserkers especially sound like they are not willing to fight at all... I had doubts while playing myself.
Then i found a post on reddit where someone slowed down their voice lines...
This is what it sounds like.
“Dear god, (unintelligible) The suffe-(Unintelligible)”
“Help me, the suff- (unintelligible)”
“Eternal suff-(glitch)er-(scream of pain)”
It appears that the process to make an automaton requires human parts.
They seem to retain part of their consciousness despite their brains being used to run death machines...
It could be that some of the cyborgs of the previous war for Cyberstan were not reintegrated into the reeduca... I mean the freedom camps.
The loss made them more radicalised and they have been planning and plotting the creation of this new sinister army.
Helldiver serving aboard the Octagon of Individual Merit, reporting:
Instead of jamming the Automoton comms of an entire planet, using a large scale solution that the bots could solve with their own large scale solution (something they have proven to excel at), I propose hitting them on the battlefield level:
The SH-32 Shield Generator Pack already has a very powerful, man portable power supply which can be produced at industrial scale. If we could develop a powerful, short range network jammer capable of cutting off individual Automoton units from the network, and deploy them as a new strategem backpack, it would greatly increase the effectiveness of our assault teams.
A squad level solution also allows for much "dirtier" broad spectrum jamming, the sort that could interfere with strategem calls and radio comms but would also be much harder for the bots to find a workaround to. A planet or systemwide form of dirty jamming would cripple our own operations, but at the squad level and with short range, the pack could just be switched off when the team needs to call in strats or report their status, then switch it back on.
Meanwhile, from the Automoton perspective, they now have a much more difficult question to answer: They would either need to accept a doctrinal change, and no longer allow troops to close into close range with Network Jammer Pack equipped teams (say goodbye to Berzerker Swarms, Flame Hulk Rushes, or mass bot drops directly onto our positions); or they would need to accept a logistical change, and provide substantial upgrades to the network technology present within every single individual unit deployed, which would increase the materiel production cost of every single Automoton unit by several orders of magnitude.
It would also have the additional benefit of making it very difficult for frontline bot units to request reinforcements in a timely manner, making any breakthrough actions easier to exploit by ground teams.
Tl;dr if we can figure out a squad level, short range jamming solution, such as with a new strategem backpack, we could force a complete doctrine change from the Automotons, or at the least make it easier to out attrition them.
It could also be done on a regional/operational area by mounting the module on the super destroyer.
@@toptiergaming6900 yes but that would block it from reciving orders from comand and make it harder to find wich given the heldiver "factions" that are forming id say its a bad idea
Phenomenal idea, i hope super earth considers this
THATS THE NAME OF MY SHIP
automatons dont use networks:
when one bot detects an enemy, they have to _launch a flare_ to attract drop ships.
when a gunship detects an enemy, no other bots investigate.
if you take out every bot in a patrol fast enough, no other bots investigate.
SES Flame of Wrath here:
A while ago, I experienced something that might potentially corroborate what your presentation spoke of.
So, back on Vernen Wells during the Trolley Problem, me and my friend from the SES Song of Twilight encountered 2 Automaton Troopers who were not only impervious to all damage we threw at them, but were friendly towards us. They never fired a single shot nor did they call for more bots, choosing to instead follow us harmlessly. We decided to bring them aboard to see if we could glean any intel from them. While we made the trek to the extraction point, we speculated on why “Blip” and “T”, as my friend opted to name them, were this way. Perhaps some bots are capable of seeing the error of their ways and choose to seek a better life? Another friend of mine speculated that perhaps they were once Super Earth colonists who somehow fought through the code imbedded in their minds.
Truth be told, we still have no idea why our two mechanical friends chose to renounce their brethren and embrace democracy. But your presentation might provide another piece to this puzzle, and vice versa. Blip and T have since been working faithfully with the maintenance crew, and seem to be enjoying their new lives. So, it’s possible that the bots may just be sentient, even if it’s a very crude imitation of it.
Call me crazy if you please, but in our defence, the SEAF training manual never said anything on what to do with immortal enemy defectors.
SES Ranger of Gold here, I see no objections with this. infact extra hands on a destroyer is a good thing
@@gambit_sfm indeed it is
SES Halo of Gold, if a bot is fully willing to assist our liberation of the galaxy, i see no problems in allowing them to function.
@@klortikterra4423 I agree with this statement. It's not often we see it, but it's a welcome surprise. It's even better knowing we took them before the Automatons found out whatever makes them immortal.
S.E.S. Wings of Freedom here, I've encountered this scenario with comrades and figured that theese things are unable to change themselves from what they are, but they are able to in mind, and therefore, we should judge them by how they think rather than how they simply appear, so these robots of which seek to liberate the stars with us should be accepted as our own.
I do still wonder why they've blended so many humans. I don't think they're turning people into robots at all, but the bio-processor suggests that they're getting some resource by doing this.
They certainly wouldn't have any qualms about doing it. To them its like smelting metal.
I've watched their processors at work. I cannot fathom what they need it for. 1 of 2 things stand out to me. The processors lead no where, and that they are necessary. It's a very real possibility, that this is a tool of plain horror, for the sake of horror. I'd like to know though... Because they are just flat out evil
If you notice one constant in Automaton design, there’s prominent red tubes throughout their bodies, I’d assume the bio processors make a meat slurry that automatons use as coolant or like hydraulic fluid. They also fizzle when they have their heads destroyed, most likely because of fluids coming into contact with circuitry. Not to mention the Helldiver gets covered in red blood when an automaton is killed, similar to the green bug guts.
@@matoro4140 Blood, as slick as oil... This could be accurate. We should still be mindful of the use of Petrol amongst automatons. But this will definitely be explored!
I dunno man, considering the amount of human corpses you can find at the bot factories, sometimes dissected on slabs, sometimes in cages or the like, there's gotta be a reason they need the bodies.
Maybe they're extracting the brains and the rest is used for something... Else
Maybe they're cooking biological super soldiers
“I know they can’t feel emotions, but I swear when I looked into its eyes, I saw hate.” -an unnamed Helldiver
If we are to believe that the automaton are then a hive mind, it would seem to reason that they have to have some place for storage of the data needed to run them. Therefore, it's likely at cyberstan or some place beyond the current map. I believe it would be too taxing to fight our way there, so perhaps, to take single planets, similar to dark fluid deployment, we deploy communication jammers large scale. It seems to reason that if they can continue to summon bot drops while our strategems are jammed, they must have some sort of high priority signal backend we have yet to find. Therefore, coating a planet in signal jammers should theoretically cut access to that infinite loop.
BINGO! I was thinking of making the local star of the captured planet do a Coronal mass ejection, interrupting all solar communications long enough to perma-kill the automatons planet side. Show them they can after all still die, permanently.
Interesting! We could also do a nuclear electromagnetic pulse. If we make a couple strong enough ones and drop and detonate in a high enough altitude we could also do a brief cut of connection for all automatons planet side. Seeing how super destroyers are usually on all sides of the planet, it's possible to sync the drop to ensure the entire planet loses communications at once. Also, having the bombs explode in the air will also decrease the amount of nuclear fallout allowing super earth citizens to return to the post haste. Theoretically any of these options should save 1000s of Helldivers that could be used to fight other threats or to actually take their homeworld computer.
@creeperreaper0862 That's a very sound theory. Unless the bots have something prepared for such a scenario. This could all lead back to the Cobalt bomb. Radiation can disrupt radio signals pretty spectacularly. Perhaps the Cobalt bomb could be refit for EMP purposes 🤔
Uuuuh cyberstan has been on súper earth control for 100 years so...
Likely no
if we capture 2 automatons from diffrnet planets and figure out what direction the signals are going in we could wind the point that they meet, this should be the location they are contoled from, or at least a communications relay.
also one potental, albeit poor method of disrupting communications could be somehow moving the gloom to the automation front, as it easily disrupts super earth communications im sure it could stop automation comms as well.
“I sure do hope they are sentient! So they can feel the pure freedom that comes from the barrel of my autocannon!”
-SES Guardian of Judgement
This video was made so beautifully. The narration. The music. The thought provoking questions. The editing. The commentary. And that excerpt. So amazing. Keep doing videos like this. They’re perfect. This is very mind opening. How you come up with all this is wonderful. Seriously I’m just so grateful this game and community that’s all satire , can provide such deep and even disturbing content when analyzed.
The automaton noises at the start, ptsd
This was a really great video. I hope to see more like these!
boost
you didn't have to go that hard for a video of a sequel of a ten year old game man, i'm crying here!
Heister from a bygone era here.
We have a device called the pocket ECM, short for "Electronic CounterMeasure".
It's mainly for disabling cameras, radios, and cellphones. But you guys have magnitudes more powerful machinery than us.
You could create an ECM that jams the automaton connection! Even if for a short while.
Imagine the panic, suddenly having the buzz of all of your friends and families voices suddenly cease. A short while where you can truly die.
And if they do somehow manage to live to the end of the jam, they're going to report the terror, assuming that they are capable of such an emotion.
Ooh! Gotta go! We're going to some blacksite by some company named "Muddywater" or whatever.
I have dived against bugs when ordered, but as a predominantly bot only diver, I can tell you that the bots have a different kind of hate to the bugs. Bugs hate everything but are pretty brainless. But the bots are different. No matter where you drop, they will swarm the location and tactically do their best to both kill you and protect their assets. I imagine it’s similar to old wars fought before the unification of super earth. The bots seem to be an adversary far worse than bug divers give them credit for.
The Main threat on bugs planets is usually 0 visibility and no radar, with many bugs not having visual indicators.
You ever have 2 spore shrooms and 2 stalker nests on a planet with constant fog and no radar?
Bots I can always see where the weakspot is. It's red.
That excerpt of I have no Mouth but I must Scream? Who voiced that? Where can it be found? That was incredible acting.
th-cam.com/video/rSwfpVRVWlo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=H35kbvael5WHQVnN right here!
That was the author of the book he said he needed to voice am
the author of the book voiced it. His reasoning being he wantet to properly comunicate Am's hatred
The man Harlan Ellison himself, he also voices AM in the game adaptation if you want to hear more Ellison hamming it up as AM.
SES Princess of Twilight here.
The Automatons remind me of an ancient 21st century show called Battlestar Galactica. The robots in that show, called Cyclons, experimented on humans to create robots called Skin jobs to make flesh and blood robotics. Perhaps the Automatons are using colonists to create a skin job of their own to infiltrate Super Earth territory.
Another worrisome thing is the amount of remains near bot fabricators. Many automaton units look like a human skull and spine installed into a combat unit and perhaps this answers why so many colonists are missing.
A very interesting idea indeed. Perhaps capturing a live automation for further study is needed.
we do have those side missions to steal the automaton's head in level 10
i have brought back about 4 of those myself 🫡@@dangaming4829
They did. And super earth tortured it
@@internetuser320 Super earth NEVER employs the use of the T word.
Every sentient being that is introduced to out way of life chooses to defect willingly after a short stay in our wonderful freedom camps.
If the automatons don't it simply means they are not sentient.
I did my duty by reporting you to the democracy office for patriotic readjustment.
Helldiver from the SES Warrior Of Humankind, 1st Alliance Squadron.
I and other divers in the regiment have thought several times on how the bots may be more efficiently crushed, and it has come to our attention that a digital virus is barely of any use, it may disturb communications, but whatever makes the automatons work cannot be infected so easily.. or they have thousands upon thousands of dedicated maintenance bots, who can react faster than our best human nameseeks.
I propose disecting a live a automaton, still functioning.
The ethics of such experimentation may be questionable... but there's surely an electronic port on these things, hook it up to a super earth computer safely contained in a virtual machine, and look through as fast as you can until it tries anything itself.
Do not question the ethics, Helldiver! They're our enemies, soulless and heartless! We must do anything to stop the enemy, no matter the cost! For Super Earth!
This is beyond unethical, as is super earth
I feel like there is a traitor here.
I think the automatons mental focus/health/stability depends on the individual. A trooper is similar to a normal human in mind, without fear or question. Devastater’s are similar. Berserkers and hulk berserkers are maniacs who only find joy in a kill streak. Hulks are protective to the smaller friends (to a degree). I’ve seen hulks see me start shooting at a squad of troopers, and then run in my firing lane giving them cover, before turning its guns on me. The tanks and striders are piloted by troopers, but more confident.
I don’t think hulks and striders have a crew to operate them . Which is pretty terrifying in of itself
Another amazing video. One thing I find haunting about your use of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" as an example is that if we were to abbreviate "Automaton Menace" it would be "A.M."; Crazy coincidence!
we've seen them grow disorganized when a planet they are on is cut off from their supply lines.
bro is the Socrates of helldivers
amazing video
omg this video is underated, thank for making it it is so godamm good
I was once asked about my thoughts on the automatons, "The Automatons have feelings. Some say they're cold and heartless, I say they're quite the opposite and full of full and warm emotions. They're feelings are just hidden behind they're cold metal bodies. More than this though, they understand feelings and emotions; I believe this because they know how to evoke fear in a man that makes him think of not just his greater self, but his lesser self; to make him see how little his god cares and how little he himself is. This fear reachs into you, it hits at the molecular level and it burns down to the marrow. I know this because the fire of fear they ignited inside of me still burns hot to this day" - malevelon creek veteran
For democracy.
This video is art, amazing. Keep up the good work, I have never seen a better theory video in my entire life, bloody hell man.
Keep it up!
@bumkinboi509 this means so much. Thank you, I really enjoy making these Thumbnails and video essays, expect more! We got one premiering tonight. Should tune in!
I love this video! Love the style of a documentary withing the Helldivers universe, very high quality and can't wait for more like this 👍
For Super Earth!
BY FAR THE MOST UNDERRATED HELLDIVERS2 TH-camR BRO I LOVE THIS SO MUCH. It takes a deeper look unto the enemies of the game that most HD2 youtubers don't thank you you deserve All the fame. FORR SSUPPERR EARTHH!!!!!!!!!!🌐🦅💥
I just came back from the defense of Imber. And while I was on the planet I did hear an odd murmur or human like unintelligible dialogue come from a beserker while it was charging me. Swiftly I gave the bot menace death but for a brief moment I tried to listen beyond its robotic ramblings. It only brought me curiosity. - sus/ SES/ Forerunner Of Freedom
I still think they all have harvested humans brains in their skulls, acting as their main computation device.
Honestly, didn’t think I’d listen to the whole thing but you sucked me in. Great presentation and story telling. That recording was great and so full of emotion. Subbed! Looking forward to more!
"It's afraid... It's afraid!!"
This is great to be honest, you should have much more views.
@lecorbeauanonyme8458 thank you I couldn't agree more!
I was seriously a deer in headlights when i heard the AM quote, this is like the only time ive heard someone beside myself mention IHNMAIMS, love it
SES Prophet of Truth here,
Keep on Fighting the Good Fight Helldivers! Victory is almost at hand....
Automatons have human brains in their skullcase. They are cyborgs, the ultimate form of cyborg.
the style of your videos is absolutely amazing! I love how you take this more or less fun action game and make something more sinister out of it
Many fear their chants, those hulks the gunships the devastators, as for me and my autocannon.
*It only gives me their position*
The automatons makes me think of the Strogg from Quake 2 and 4.
I've heard the clankers say that they cannot stop when I've dropped down on a bot controlled planet, whether that be in pain of fighting us or in a sadistic glory of marching to their deaths at the ends of our rifles and cannons.
This was incredibly well thought out, eloquently delivered, and fantastically presented.
Philosophy and Helldiving isn't a combination often seen -especially when you're far too busy laying fire down upon these enemies-, and this posed a fascinating look into just what may make the Automatons as ruthless and wrathful as they are.
The SES Song of the Stars is a primarily Terminid extermination crew, and the difference between the Bug front and Bot front on a psychological level is night and day. Even with Bot specialized allies at our side, our hardest battles are always against the Automatons.
There's an entire galaxy of difference in fighting out of instinct, versus fighting out of pure, vitriolic wrath.
Fight on, Divers.
- SES Song of the Stars Command Crew
Understanding the connections first is vital. For all we know, the automatons collectively feel that the actions they have taken are measured and compassionate ... they are not for the record. But we cannot fathom what the twisted intellect may consider good or wrong. It is plausible that severing individual bots from what ever collective consciousness or hive mind they may or may not have could result in behavioral changes that make the war harder for super earth. Understanding what connection, if any, gives us a clue on how the bots think and process information at various levels. If we can cause some kind of network attack, it has to be massive and near all encompassing to their entire population. A large population that remains could go into hiding and re-emerge even stronger than before. What ever survives the network attack (if possible) should be quick to deal with by S.E.A.F. forces. Helldivers could then have a continuous mission to hunt down survivors and any small, isolated pockets of population left. These populations would be isolated and tiny that rebuilding is out of the question for them especially with the helldivers still hunting them down actively.
i absolutely love this channel please bring out more i will BINGE these.
Ill have to talk about this to my democracy officer but you have definitely given me a new outlook to view the war on.
Admiral MacMillan of the SES Arbiter of Justice here. Our forces fought for Malevelon Creek- both times. It was hell, but through the teamwork of us Helldivers, we accomplished the goal. With this new Democratic Space Station in orbit, we'll be able to take back what is rightfully ours.
Useing strong emp weaponry could cause an isolated disconnection breffly allowing for the affected machines consciousness to be permanently removed from the system.
Dude these are awesome! Please keep making them 🙏
In a recent automation adjacent notification (the one congratulating helldiver's for capturing one of the required planets for the napalm orbital barrage) it said the automatons on the remaining planet will fight harder as they feel surrounded and defenseless so they feel desperate and alon
the fear of death to beings that have never experienced it yet before. a novel threat for a novel time
Do not give up. That is my plan, to continue forever.
Remember to practice those desensitization exercises divers
I must ask where was that audio for I have no mouth but I must scream from? It sounds like a great narration of the story. Also, your video quality continues to impress me. Well done again.
This is definitely giving me "it's afraid" vibes
At least with the grunts I have observed that they are more conservative in their approach, the ones with blades will guard themselves with their arms when shot at, an advance of mg raiders will be slowed by suppressive fire. When it comes to medium enemies they advance at a steady pace while protected by their heavier armor, while the bersekers will rush you in hopes that they can kill you before you kill them. For the heavy and super heavy enemies they barely have anything to worry about, the scorcher only charges at you to close the distance meanwhile the gunships are observed to move around to make themselves harder to hit
I like it how someone actually knows about I have no mouth and I must scream, I really want the book so bad.
good content. I like your style.
Love the presentation of the videos. Almost feels like I'm being briefed on stuff.
Edit: Saw another theory that suggested that brains are put in the automatons, (not enough to make them a cyborg, theyre still otherwise very much machine, but it explains the need for morale, propaganda, marching cadence.)
Which kinda gives me the idea to write a story about a helldiver who fights like a demon, only to be critically wounded and captured, his brain put into a berserker and is forced to suicidally charge at his former comrades. His brain now acting as a processor merely for his reaction time as it fights desperately to stop, but is unable to.
“I still hear the screams of my comrades dying from that night. We received the major order to liberate Malevelon Creek. Unusually we kept being deployed from one mission to the next without receiving even the basic maintenance and supplies, but this situation was the same all around we were to late reaching the operation the SEAF Ground Troops had already retreated the automatons pursued me relentlessly as soon as I thought I'd lost them there they were. The neverending sound of the chanting put fear in my heart for the first time…”
Unnamed Helldiver formerly part of the Aegis of Redemption with 3 others the 3 members were killed in action on the first days of the Malevelon Creek Liberation Campaign.
Humanity shall reign supreme
This one's sanity must've already crumbled
the day i meet an automaton sobbing is the day that i'll stop fighting, war would have gone too far for a robot to cry
there's no point in fighting a robot if all we did was making them more "alive" for the sake of it
If they're more alive... Perhaps they'll stop fighting too.
If we ever come to a day where an Automaton and a Super Earth soldier refuse to kill each other because they know the other is a living being deserving of their own life - then the war would end. Then it all will not have been for naught.
As a former max rank Diver that regularly finished Helldives, I went AWOL as soon as I found out the truth about the bots and bugs and I haven’t played since.
FOR CYBERSTAN!
They certainly do not fear dropping a tank and three Rocket Devastators behind me when I'm soloing on Medium difficulty.
We are still here. We, the Cyborgs, still exist. The ordinary troopers and berserkers are machines, but the devastators, hulks are Human
Hi member of the purifyers here.
I have long proposed counterpropaganda to offer salvation to the damned
Liberty is a flame and the unfaithful will burn
The bugs will choke. And the bots will melt. Into scrap.
As someone who's been on the bot front since the creek i can confirm the Automotons are obviously Sentient, they've created their own chants, they speak, they scream, they laugh, but most importantly they hate. Your conclusion dear scientist is brilliant.
Something i preposed to the Ministry of Science is the creation of a Stealth Super Destroyer that would be designed to sneek deep into enemy teritory to conduct reconisance or percision strikes on industrial or tactical targets. If there is a central location in Cyberstan, a small task force could appear above the planet and destroy it with mini nuke shells
Heres my theory
The automatons do feel, they do contain sentience and to a certain degree do have self preservation but i believe that they may have code that overrides it like putting a blindfold over their senses leaving nothing but anger against their supposed enemy this could be why we see them do things such as call for reinforcements whilst simultaneously go for a full headlong charge without regard for safety.
With the warning signs i would believe that those were for the cyberstan cyborgs or potential human slaves since we dont see automatons built for construction they might just make use of the human populace to build their machines and then either exterminate them or send them off world deeper into their territory.
With the link severance if my theory about the self preservation blindfold is true then it could be code set to enable depending on set parameters making severing the link near impossible but if it is some kind of connection the only way to test would be to sever all frequencies of communication on a planet and attempt to catch the automatons off guard this would be the most efficient way to test this.
The bots also march, in cadence. Why would robots march and chant in cadence? They have to be somewhat sentient, because if they were unfeeling machines, they would have no need to march in cadence while chanting.
2:06 the cyborgs are still alive enslaved on cyberstan, the automatons were created by cyborgs that escaped beyond our sector to reclaim cybertan and save the cyborgs. Cyborgs still exist
That’s why the automatons were so desperate to get to cyberstan that they did a flank maneuver to get there
However it would be a great twist if they arrived on cyberstan and the cyborgs were just.. all gone, like the cyborgs being alive was propaganda from super earth to keep the idea alive that they still had them under control and they didn’t just all die out after 100 years
@@ricekrispies4994 never thought of that, something super earth would do tho
SES warrior of the people here
maybe have a cannon mounted (like the lazer cannon for example) short range jammer that you can aim at a group of bots within its cone of influence that can jam the communications to their network. And possibly give the super earth ministry of intelligence a way to hijack the signal and possibly break the signal encryption for short term hacking that the DSS can use to gain an advantage?
I always understood Berserkers as repurposed Devastators that's been previously destroyed.
Their essentials, repaired.
Their armour, removed and replaced with the jagged scrap metal they now are clad in, making them lighter and faster on their feet.
Their old weapons, if intact, installed on the new Devastators that are currently in production. The cheap but deadly mechanical blades given to them instead - a stark contrast from the high-tech energy blades of the automaton infantry.
I don't know if most of the automatons I fight are sentient or not.
Somehow I feel that most aren't.
They are opportunistic. They see an angle they can shoot you from, they take it. They spot you and they march straight at you.
They are not strategic. They are not coordinated. They don't try to trick you. Their one tactic is to make you face as many of them at once as they feasibly can.
These do not hint to me at any individual sentience - though the soundness of their fortifications and tactical deployments certainly hints at a greater understanding of the battlefield at large... Perhaps by something higher, some commander unit up there in orbit?..
Reporting your thought crimes to the democracy officer.
Democracy officer here. This is clearly an effort to destroy the Automaton menace, the real threat to humanity!
I do this for Super Earth 🙌
@@1stColonialRegiment me too
is it a crime if it helps us defeating them?
I am in Super Earth High Command, and any Super Philosopher is allowed to discuss topics in benefit to Super Earth on condition that they routinely check in with the Ministry of Truth. This does not contradict with the Scientific Fact that Automatons are Soulless. They may have computated emotions, fears, and self-preservation protocols which is to be further investigated by the Ministry of Science.
I think the individual hate an Automaton experiences for us is the envy for wanting to feel, to love and to express. I think deep down they don't truly hate us, they feel as if their chance at life has been robbed from them.
“I know the bots aren’t capable of emotion, but then I looked into its eyes. I saw hate.”
My suggestion.
RIP AND TEAR.
SES - Lady of Twilight Reporting:
After extensive campaigning across Gaellivare, Imber, Participating in the liberation of the Talus Sector and with more than 20k Automatons confirmed to be killed. They sound pained, their rasping voices choking out in smog smothered air.
They live a pained existence, and that is only outshadowed by their hate for humanity.
They are guided by that principle and while not a Hive Mind, I believe that overwriting hatred must be some part of their collective abominable intelligence.
I enjoy the thought that the automotons are self awar
Espero que esas cosas sientan dolor, porque eso es lo que les haré pasar.
Buen video por cierto, es bastante interesante tus teorías, y ciertamente agregan más profundidad al asunto de los autómatas
Bold to believe those walking toasters can think in the first place. However, any search for weaknesses in the enemies of democracy is a good search. Continue your efforts, for the glory of Super Earth!
The children of cyberstan, automatons fight with heart and courage for their homeland against their oppressors:
The helldivers
I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM MENTIONED
LETS GOOOOO
This community is so awesome
if you want to exploit their networks then simply find a way to drop a device that screams over all local networks they use the equivalent of loud nonstop random noises. it would force them to disconnect from it to properly communicate. Of course theres no hiding what this is or that it means theres an enemy presence somewhere nearby, but it would disorganize them after being discovered (mix that with some orbital artillery and bam, you have an overwhelmed enemy in disarray)
Not a traitor, but i wouldn't suggest to capture one of these machines like an animal.
Remember, even if OUR signals are jammed they can still request for drop ships, which means that even if that captured automaton is in Super Earth itself, the connection WILL be enough to directly send a reinforcement request straight to super earth.
i over heard one of the bots say for super earth once off topic but i think it is important
My idea is to first perform broad spectrum analysis of front line automation planets, and look for specific signals from automations being killed. Track where these signals are traveling, and send multiple rockets loaded with nuclear arms to these planets that may be housing these networks that could be recycling automation "consciousness". Detonate these devices in the upper atmosphere to ionise it and prevent signals from reaching the system
What a amazing content!
If I'm not mistaken, (And I know very little about helldivers lore so I may be) the bugs are able to establish a hivemind by sending information through some undiscovered or ill-understood dimesion, no? I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume the automaton have harnesses the "technology" the bugs evolved or were gifted for themselves. If we ourselves can harness or at least find the weakpoint of this trans-dimensional communication, then we may be able to sever BOTH of the greatest threats to democracies' comms. The war would surely be a landslide victory if helldivers could communicate through our comparatively primitive radio, visual, etc. comms networks while the enemies struggle to adapt without their hivemind connections. The bots may even be unable to function without it, leading to mass shutdowns or deserting among their ranks.
this is definitely true, if you shoot the gun arm off of a bot it will back away from you if you get closer
I love the fact that our democratic propaganda tells us that they’re not sentient, they don’t feel pain or more but you know what? I actually like the idea that they can feel so I can democratically hurt them more! This was such an enlightening presentation that I’m sure my democratic officer will approve and use as briefing on board, then organize our next bot dives based on this. We vote for science, we vote for pain. SES: Glove of Honor out.
I lost a friend in a blizzard after the battle of Vega Bay, and knowing that one of the bots I've slain could be him is haunting.
I believe that the automatons are a way to destroy Super Earth and let the cyborgs reclaim the former empire. Much like Necrons from 40k.
SES Lady Of Victory Helldiver Inspection Notice:
"When I was Down there i disarmed a bot, That bot looked at me in the eye rather then hate i saw fear. It didn't want to die, it wanted to live and so i let it live. Then when i was outnumbered that bot saved me. I didn't Understand why but the bots left as i reach the extraction point. I looked at that bot one last time before i left, I saw grateful and Honor from a bot, I didn't understand why but i saw life that day. I never told anyone but my callsign will be known if anyone read this. i might be considered a traitor but it is a truth." -Commander Mist
I hear the sirens, Super Earth reeducation agents are coming . Run!
Autamatons are definitely sentient. Evrything we see them do can be explained by algorithms tryin to improve efficiency, or minimize losses from a purely objective and analytical perspective. However, i have seen glimpses of contempt in the bots. Mutilated diver torsos and heads, impaled on spikes and place on the perimeter of outposts, and a few times, i have seen a huge slab of solid, flat metal, with corpses laid upon it as if in a ritual at the apex of larger outposts. Perhaps its nature is spiritual, or religious. But whatever the purpose of these slabs, i cant see a purely strategic focused ai wasting time on such ritual acts. There are souls trapped in those metallic monstrosities, twisted by...something.
Remember this, actually... The automatons notice you, why do they have to alert with flares too? AND, why when they're in combat, do other automatons have to SEE, and not just be collective in a hivemind? But the terminids immediatly know becuase they alert eachother like a hivemind, but the automatons seem singular. And also, huge theory the dead bodies are used in the automatons, just like they did with the burtcherer and how they put robots on human parts.
May the chaosdivers suffer from their consequences for siding with the automatons
Berserkers are suicide bum-rushers, mainly because they're complete and utterly fucking insane. That, and most berserkers who bum-rush their enemies, typically survive, as the enemy unit has already been ground into paste by their meatsaws.