CORRECTION NOTICE: It appears I made a rather annoying mistake with the date of this accident. At 1:06 is mentioned that the year of this accident was 1996, it was actually 1992. I'm not sure how I completely messed that up. My apologies Update: the two seconds or so of that info has been trimmed out.
I know! The smallest bit of turbulence which, if I felt on a lake or a road wouldn't even register to me, in airplane I just feel it so strongly if I were falling out of the sky. So I mean I guess I'm super sensitive to it which is just from anxiety, but when I hear about stories in which airplane is diving towards the ground but the pilots feel like they're flying level, I just don't get it! I mean I understand why but it's just unbelievable how that can happen.
@@toddabowden mentourpilot channel talks about how and why this can happen and why our body can feel like things are normal when they're not,look for his video about a hanging pendulum in the cockpit (and why this doesn't work)
But you can't tell which way it's going, Pilots were being told the plane was rolling left, which would feel indistinguishable from the plane rolling right which is what was actually happening. pilots are trained to ignore these forces as they are highly misleading for example pitching up/down feels identical to acceleration/deceleration. Reacting to these ambiguous forces has caused many plane crashes. Also, I guarantee you that there are some attitude changes you did not feel as they were too smooth. If the pilot handling is a bit rough you'll feel it but if it's nice and gentle you can look out the window and be surprised to see the ground as the aircraft is banked over 30 degrees and felt nothing.
Just be glad they switched to flashing strobe lights instead of the old-fashioned "rotating gumball" variety. Want to confuse a pilot in clouds or snow? Sweep a searchlight through it the same direction again and again and again!
I want to be a passenger on an airline’s LEAST experienced crew. Because they never seem to crash. It’s seemingly always highly experienced crews that manage to wreck these planes.
Interestingly, a British documentary filmed the whole process of the investigation for a documentary on how plane crashes are investigated. It was this specific filming that helped them find the wire was the cause, when the investigators asked to review the film the cameraman had taken. One of the investigators noticed the loose wire and when they followed it up they realised this was the cause! Frustratingly, I can't find it on the web now, but I managed to a couple of years ago. I remember thinking how vulnerable the planes I travelled on might be, every time I flew, if a loose wire could cause that crash!
@@uzaiyaro Found it! Actually an American PBS documentary called 'Mysterious crash of flight 201'. It takes one through the whole investigation process. It's available on the Internet Archive and is, I felt, absolutely fascinating.
One of my uncles was part of the search crew. I have an aerial photo of the crash site, and a group photo of the search crew. I hear from my mom that he was traumatized for weeks after they found the wreck. I dont even want to think about what he saw.
You're not "traumatized for weeks". A trauma is a permanent psychological condition if it goes untreated. Maybe he was under shock. That fades. Trauma does not. Trust me, I know what I am talking about. My partner is receiving treatment for multiple trauma. Trauma is what my grandpa suffered in World War II and it made him wake up screaming every other night in a cold sweat until his death 40 years after the end of the war. THAT is trauma.
Contra the suggestion in the video, you cannot use a spirit level (or a plumb line or whatever) as a backup to the artificial horizon. In a coordinated turn (which all pilots are trained for), the net acceleration is straight through the bottom of the airplane regardless of the attitude of the airplane. And it's that net acceleration that a level would show. A gyroscope is used because it maintains its attitude to the ground regardless of any acceleration experienced by the airplane, which is what you have to have for an artificial horizon.
@@maxfullerton5228 Same thing. When the acceleration vector goes straight through the bottom of the plane ("down" for people sitting in the plane), it doesn't matter which way the ground is. Water will stay in glasses, pendulums will not swing (any more than they otherwise would), and people will be able to walk in the aisles. If you have ever taken a small bucket full of water and swung it in a circle about you, you'll have noticed that the water doesn't spill out, even if you swing it up and over your head. Conversely, if your acceleration vector goes some other direction, for instance in a car on a curve, all those things mentioned above will take the new net acceleration vector as "down". So water will spill out of cups if you turn too sharply in a car. This effect can also be seen in NASA's "Vomit Comet", where they put the plane into a ballistic curve to get a net acceleration of 0, otherwise known as weightlessness. In that situation, water will float around the cabin (in blobs, because of surface tension) even when the ground is still below the bottom of the plane.
Absolutely - See the video of test pilot Bob Hoover, flying a barrel roll one handed, while pouring a jug of iced tea into a glass with his other hand. A spirit level would obviously remain level throughout the entire barrel roll! Thus, a spirit level is utterly useless as a horizon reference. (As, like the tea in his glass, the spirit level would remain centred throughout the barrel roll, even at 90° bank or fully inverted). The narrator may be thinking of the turn & slip indicator used in some non-instument aircraft. That uses a gyro in a spring loaded, single axis gimble to indicate the rate of turn in the yaw axis and a spirit level to indicate turn coordination (slipping sideways in the turn). The spirit level is in no way a horizon reference, except when the aircraft is stationary on the ground! I believe some people say they can fly in IMC with a turn & slip indicator, altimeter, & airspeed indicator. I'm not sure if that's really possible but in any case they are not using the spirit level as a horizon reference.
I had to spend some time, retexturing a livery in the flight simulator to get the one for this video. If I can help it I always try and track down the correct livery
@@senabecool7232 Yeah I'm still looking out for it. I occasionally check the X-plane forums to see if anyone made it. I am not talented enough at texturing to create such a complex livery and do it well.
I remember watching this on Air Crash Investigations, not saying they did bad, but gotta admit, a X-Plane version of this disaster does look much better
One thing that is quite infuriating about ACI is 1, unnecessary drama and 2, horrible and misleading crash animations and some are just completely wrong like Pan Am 103
@@ConcordeError404 sometimes they use wrong liveries like this plane crash, use wrong planes in the CGI like Korean 801, and just used wrong information like calling an MD-80 a DC-9 in SAS 751. The Pan Am disaster was shown teared to 4-5 big pieces but in real life only the front section broke (similar to TWA 800)
Nice video. I fly Copa a lot because it allows comfortable connections all over South America and they used Embraer jets to fly to AUA until the pandemic. I didn’t know they retired the type.
Hi Chloe, i watched most of your Disaster breakdown's videos and they're quite awesome. If you wanna breakdown more accidents involving trains, i suggest you should take a look an accident which happened in my country (Argentina) long time ago called "La tragedia de Once" or "Once's station tragedy". The accident was soo controversial that it severaly affected the already fragil political stability here. At least 2 of my neighbors lost a relative in this tragedy. Let me know if you need more info about it Hugs from Argentina.
This crash is so sad that they just ripped apart And I Love These Videos i stay up to 10-12 just to watch these, your efforts are amazing Ty for this good content
Wow! You must have been living on the outer space or something because every one (Panamanians) knew/know about this accident, I was a little kid when it happened I remember watching it on the news in Panama.
@@juanvictoria610 muchos de los mas jovenes no conocen sobre este pedazo de nuestra historia. Yo solo se de esto porque un tio mio estaba en la PTJ(actual DIJ) en ese tiempo, y fue parte del equipo de busqueda.
The strange thing is that they didn’t use their standby ADI. Maybe the captain and first officer was focused on their ADI. Also what is your favorite Soviet Plane? Mine is Tupolev TU-134. It has a glass nose which is my favorite thing about Soviet planes.
The fact that they didn't use the standby ADI puzzles me; it's right there in front of them and as they were struggling to -- in their minds -- level the plane before they rolled it upside they would have clearly seen it displaying the correct position of their aircraft. My theory is that because the pilots believed that the Captain's ADI was on an Auxiliary Gyro then what they were seeing on their ADIs was correct and the standby ADI was inoperative. Without the CVR we'll never know.
I agree, the standby ADI is powered straight from the battery bus. I worked as a mechanic on 737-200s back in the day for the Airlines. I remember on occasions when the aircraft arrived at the gate with a bad ADI, the pilots knew which one was malfunctioning. I know regarding the Copa 737, they were flying at night in pitch darkness with no ground reference. The standby ADI was there for them.
It's easy to say as such sitting in your sofa, trying to figure it out in the heat of the moment at 25000ft is a whole other issue. Plus the standby ADI is _tiny_ in a hurried panic it'll be very easy to miss it and just focus on the big main instruments.
@@farhanatashiga3721 It's ashamed that the 737 they were flying had a different ADI switching system than the one they were trained on in the simulator. The Airline should have standardized the fleet before the accident. With all that said, yes the standby ADI is small but it is there for a reason, when all else fails, you can count on it.
@@70slandshark47 I asked this question to a former British Airways Captain who has flown everything up to the 747 including the 737, DC-10, A320, but not the Concorde. He told me that was the old procedure of dealing with Vertical Gyro failures and Copa’s procedure was perhaps a newer way. The plane was owned by Britannia Airways until 2 months before the crash and my guess is that Britannia was still using the old procedure and when it was acquired by Copa they still had yet to modify the Vertical Gyro switches on this plane.
A spirit level would not indicate where the horizon is. There is one, or something similar, in most planes. It is used to gauge the balance of forces in a turn. When the bubble (or ball) is in the center, the forces are balanced, no matter the orientation of the plane, (in positive g's). The plane could be up-side down in a spiral, or some other such circumstance.
Brings back memories - my first ever flight was on Brittania (on their previous livery, but a 737-200), then flew with them multiple times on other planes with that livery (esp 757s later). They were quite good for a holiday charter airline.
How do they not feel that they're upside down or falling? Whenever I go flying I can feel it turning left, turning right, going up or going down, is that just me? Lol
What you are feeling is movement. And because you know what way your meant to be facing you can Guage what way you are going. But your body is only feeling movement. If you close your eyes on a plane you won't know what way it's moving.
@@brotakig1531 I'm confused, shouldn't it be easy to tell if your banking to far left or right with how your body reacts? Even if in complete darkness one should know if there in an upright position.
@@lyfe8349 Nope, our brains are terrible with balance and stability without visual input. Find a big field, blindfold yourself and try to walk straight across it. You WILL walk in big circles and not even feel it. When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.
It's called spital disorientation. Put it simple, our sensation will betray you when you flying, especially in the night or bad weather. Instrument flying is the main way to combat it. When instrument failure or in worse case, untrustworthy due to blockage, this is the results
This hits close to home because I flew that type airplane and flew in and out of Panama many times. It looks to me that the inversion happened so fast that they didn’t have time to focus on the standby artificial horizon. It is unfortunate that they flipped that switch in the wrong direction. It emphasizes the importance of checklists and not to get in a rush. I always said nothing happens in an emergency situation in the 737 so fast except for a fire that the crew doesn’t have plenty of time to deal with the emergency.
Here in Panama not much happens, but I remember distinctly an accident,about 18 yrs ago. An avianca(I think) plain departed from Tocumen, as it passed over the city the motors were making an INSANLY loud noise and flying VERY low. A lot of people saw it from owr windows. It crached in the forest. I'm amazed they did not go back to the airport having that creepy loud noise.
Yikes! All because of worn wires! I flew COPA in the past to head to South America and back. Only gripe was a one time baggage claim issue, but it’s a good airline to fly.
I went to a presentation with the Blue Angels and one of the things they talked about was at night time you can lose your perspective so if you’re ever concerned, you drop your pen and watch how it falls and the adjust yourself accordingly
When I first saw a documentary about 201 [ th-cam.com/video/qf_Uz2UmUSM/w-d-xo.html ] one thing that struck me was the fact that the investigators couldn't determine why the captain was found out of his seat in the wreckage. I reckon(ed) he was manually reconfiguring the ADI girosource(s). RIP all.
You should do a short video about how it's even possible for these pilots to not realize they're banking, rolling, climbing/diving. You'd think they'd be able to feel the relative positions because of gravity and momentum of your body. Also why isn't there a liquid horizon instrument. They operate on gravity and don't fail.
10:55 --- 🤣 "...a spirit level?" I have an even better idea for ya --- Use a rabbit's foot as a plumb bob. Now *there's* an alternative turn and bank indicator that actually has some luck behind it ... except for the original owner, I suppose.
So... With all our technological advancement... We refuse to crash proof these planes... We wont build high speed underground rail systems... Instead we choose to get inside aluminum tubes that reach speeds in excess of 500 mph that can also become unrecoverable if one single guage stops working on a machine with dozens and dozens of gauges, readouts, electronics... Etc. God I hate flying.
Without having watched the whole video, I cannot understand how one could fail to notice being upside down...are they strapped into their seats so tightly they dont notice or am I missing something here? (Ive never flown, so I dont know anything about how flying feels like)
I heard of an event where a flight of blue angels flew past an usaf transport plane inverted convincing the usaf aircraft that IT was the one inverted, I don’t know if it really happened or if it was a navy joke.
One minor correction. In 1992 Copa Airlines operated 22 (including the accident plane) Boeing 737-200s and 1 Boeing 737-100. Just thought it was worth mentioning that they also operated one B731 in 1992.
Still ordering the same plane... kind of like me, I know my bank is cheating me with tricky ways of making me overdrawn so they can sting me with overdraft charges, and I know I need to transfer my deposit to another account or card, but I keep putting it off thinking this time I'll be smarter, but this is their livelihood and they're expert at it. 👀😵💫
You fall asleep at the wheel for one sec and crash into a schoolbus....mistakes are so often banal. People find that difficult to accept apparently which is why conspiracy theories exist.
I was thinking, how can you not feel what the plane is doing. I have only flown a plane once and that was assisted by an instructor. It was a very little plane. But I could feel all the little twitches, wiggles and especially the banking turns. It was daylight so I could always back what I felt with what I could see. Loosing spacial orientation can happen. Unless I am the pilot, which is highly unlikely I won't be flying if there is a choice.
I'm from the United States, State of Georgia, but I spend a lot of my time in Guatemala because my wife is down here still due to immigration issues. Got to love government! But it gives me a chance to be in Central America which I absolutely love. I really want to get down to Panama as soon as I can one day, and of course Copa airlines would be the airline I would take to get there. They've got Central America pretty locked down, although my flight from Atlanta Georgia to Guatemala La Aurora is a Delta 757-200 every time. But I mean it's Atlanta Georgia so, everything is Delta except for a few that are Southwest! Although in reality ig is such a busy airport that we get airlines from all over the world and every company.
I am always puzzled as to why pilots can bank and overbank their planes in situations like this and not physically feel that they are no longer upright and are leaning far to the left or right...surely the passengers also feel this too?
In a situation like that, where you're in the dark with failed instruments, its very easy for spatial disorientation to occur. The sensations your body feels may not be accurate, especially without a reference
I commented on a similar question: Our brains are terrible with balance and stability without visual input. Find a big field, blindfold yourself and try to walk straight across it. You WILL walk in big circles and not even feel it. When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.
How did they realize the Captain's gyro was faulty in the first place? After redirecting both ADIs to the same faulty gyro they should've experienced the same problem that lead them to switch to another gyro.
How can you not notice the artificial horizon is bugged, and just blindly follow it? I think these pilots should bring one of them leveling rulers with the bubble in it, and use that instead.
Do they still currently operate Embraer? I really like the Embraer aircraft overall. But here in Guatemala where I'm currently at, the aircraft that usually goes between here and Panama is a 737-800 I believe. It's some model of 737 new generation, 7/8/900. But I think -800. I'll look up their fleet and see what else they fly, that'd be interesting.
IDK if you refined the lighting after my comment in a previous video but thank you ma'am for making it a little lighter on the night flight! I can see much clearer compared to other vids.
These videos make me want to never fly again.A tiny bug can crash a plane,in experienced pilots,drunk pilot plus put a 40 year plane on top of that,NO THANKS
Flying is one of the most unsafe ways of travel today,if the pilots are not drunk, no bugs in pieto tube,bird strike....etc.as safe as driving,not really.ill believe that when a car wreck kills 200 plus people,and scatters wreckage over a vast area.You are ignorant if you think flying is safe.Just within last month,suicidal pilot crashed a plane in china.I guess that is safe to you.👎😎
When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.
ehem its been days since i gave you my suggestion and um has there been any progress since that i mean atleast some consulting on if the video is worth it should have been conducted
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You should do a short video about how it's even possible for these pilots to not realize they're banking, rolling, climbing/diving. You'd think they'd be able to feel the relative positions because of gravity and momentum of your body. Also why isn't there a liquid horizon instrument. They operate on gravity and don't fail.
Spatial disorientation and centrifugal force. As for the liquid device, it simply doesn’t work. Such a device could not distinguish between straight and level flight and an upside down 1g dive. Also turbulence is a thing. Edit: Those devices works by effect of gravity. On aircraft, it will only work if it is going at constant velocity and altitude. Any changes in these two factors will result in malfunctioning of level bubble. Therefore they are useless, because it is impossible to have 100% steady attitude and velocity.
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CORRECTION NOTICE: It appears I made a rather annoying mistake with the date of this accident. At 1:06 is mentioned that the year of this accident was 1996, it was actually 1992. I'm not sure how I completely messed that up. My apologies
Update: the two seconds or so of that info has been trimmed out.
Its Okay Dude We All Make Mistakes But Its still an amazing video as always
might wanna fix the title real quick, currently says "BREKADOWN"
I plan to release a TH-cam video highlighting all your messed up “mistakes”.
I am editing the 4 hour video as we speak
@@PetraKann oof
@@PetraKann be quiet. It’s not like you haven’t made mistakes.
Pilots must be desensitized to extreme pitch changes. When I am on a plane I feel even the slightest bank of a couple of degrees.
I know! The smallest bit of turbulence which, if I felt on a lake or a road wouldn't even register to me, in airplane I just feel it so strongly if I were falling out of the sky. So I mean I guess I'm super sensitive to it which is just from anxiety, but when I hear about stories in which airplane is diving towards the ground but the pilots feel like they're flying level, I just don't get it! I mean I understand why but it's just unbelievable how that can happen.
@@toddabowden mentourpilot channel talks about how and why this can happen and why our body can feel like things are normal when they're not,look for his video about a hanging pendulum in the cockpit (and why this doesn't work)
But you can't tell which way it's going, Pilots were being told the plane was rolling left, which would feel indistinguishable from the plane rolling right which is what was actually happening.
pilots are trained to ignore these forces as they are highly misleading for example pitching up/down feels identical to acceleration/deceleration. Reacting to these ambiguous forces has caused many plane crashes.
Also, I guarantee you that there are some attitude changes you did not feel as they were too smooth. If the pilot handling is a bit rough you'll feel it but if it's nice and gentle you can look out the window and be surprised to see the ground as the aircraft is banked over 30 degrees and felt nothing.
Just be glad they switched to flashing strobe lights instead of the old-fashioned "rotating gumball" variety. Want to confuse a pilot in clouds or snow? Sweep a searchlight through it the same direction again and again and again!
Me too. But then I HATE flying and assume each flight will be my last...
I want to be a passenger on an airline’s LEAST experienced crew. Because they never seem to crash. It’s seemingly always highly experienced crews that manage to wreck these planes.
That's probably because the more time you spent flying, the highter the chances of crashing becomes. Some form of bias
Well, make sure to avoid Manx2 if you don't want to land upside down ;)
@@feelsimprovedman2188 I hear you. Makes sense.
Well a reason in a lotta crashes is also inexperience
@@titan4110 No doubt.
Interestingly, a British documentary filmed the whole process of the investigation for a documentary on how plane crashes are investigated. It was this specific filming that helped them find the wire was the cause, when the investigators asked to review the film the cameraman had taken. One of the investigators noticed the loose wire and when they followed it up they realised this was the cause! Frustratingly, I can't find it on the web now, but I managed to a couple of years ago. I remember thinking how vulnerable the planes I travelled on might be, every time I flew, if a loose wire could cause that crash!
If you can find it, please update this. That sounds extremely interesting!
Fluffy - i THINK this is the one you mean... th-cam.com/video/qf_Uz2UmUSM/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/qf_Uz2UmUSM/w-d-xo.html this is it, the moment they spot it is at 49:10 👍👍
@@uzaiyaro Found it! Actually an American PBS documentary called 'Mysterious crash of flight 201'. It takes one through the whole investigation process. It's available on the Internet Archive and is, I felt, absolutely fascinating.
One of my uncles was part of the search crew. I have an aerial photo of the crash site, and a group photo of the search crew. I hear from my mom that he was traumatized for weeks after they found the wreck. I dont even want to think about what he saw.
Do you still have it and if you mind sendimg it to me?
@@G_PTYNicolasCMPSicko
You're not "traumatized for weeks". A trauma is a permanent psychological condition if it goes untreated. Maybe he was under shock. That fades. Trauma does not. Trust me, I know what I am talking about. My partner is receiving treatment for multiple trauma.
Trauma is what my grandpa suffered in World War II and it made him wake up screaming every other night in a cold sweat until his death 40 years after the end of the war. THAT is trauma.
@@veganbutcherhackepeter i have just seen 2 pics of the wreck and im just curious man
Hyper tension isn't what they say it is.
Contra the suggestion in the video, you cannot use a spirit level (or a plumb line or whatever) as a backup to the artificial horizon. In a coordinated turn (which all pilots are trained for), the net acceleration is straight through the bottom of the airplane regardless of the attitude of the airplane. And it's that net acceleration that a level would show.
A gyroscope is used because it maintains its attitude to the ground regardless of any acceleration experienced by the airplane, which is what you have to have for an artificial horizon.
Not ideal, but I've heard of people using a bullseye level as a backup. It's better than nothing.
Question: what about a bottle of water ?
@@maxfullerton5228 Same thing. When the acceleration vector goes straight through the bottom of the plane ("down" for people sitting in the plane), it doesn't matter which way the ground is. Water will stay in glasses, pendulums will not swing (any more than they otherwise would), and people will be able to walk in the aisles.
If you have ever taken a small bucket full of water and swung it in a circle about you, you'll have noticed that the water doesn't spill out, even if you swing it up and over your head.
Conversely, if your acceleration vector goes some other direction, for instance in a car on a curve, all those things mentioned above will take the new net acceleration vector as "down". So water will spill out of cups if you turn too sharply in a car.
This effect can also be seen in NASA's "Vomit Comet", where they put the plane into a ballistic curve to get a net acceleration of 0, otherwise known as weightlessness. In that situation, water will float around the cabin (in blobs, because of surface tension) even when the ground is still below the bottom of the plane.
@@dougsundseth6904 Thank you
Absolutely - See the video of test pilot Bob Hoover, flying a barrel roll one handed, while pouring a jug of iced tea into a glass with his other hand. A spirit level would obviously remain level throughout the entire barrel roll! Thus, a spirit level is utterly useless as a horizon reference. (As, like the tea in his glass, the spirit level would remain centred throughout the barrel roll, even at 90° bank or fully inverted).
The narrator may be thinking of the turn & slip indicator used in some non-instument aircraft. That uses a gyro in a spring loaded, single axis gimble to indicate the rate of turn in the yaw axis and a spirit level to indicate turn coordination (slipping sideways in the turn). The spirit level is in no way a horizon reference, except when the aircraft is stationary on the ground!
I believe some people say they can fly in IMC with a turn & slip indicator, altimeter, & airspeed indicator. I'm not sure if that's really possible but in any case they are not using the spirit level as a horizon reference.
I would say this is the 1st CM201 crash with the correct livery, the others used the retro instead of the one presented so congrats man
I had to spend some time, retexturing a livery in the flight simulator to get the one for this video. If I can help it I always try and track down the correct livery
@@DisasterBreakdown yeah, i remembered you posting a picture of a Gulf A320 on Community posts, you still on that
@@senabecool7232 Yeah I'm still looking out for it. I occasionally check the X-plane forums to see if anyone made it. I am not talented enough at texturing to create such a complex livery and do it well.
TH-cam has finally surpassed Air Crash Investigation.
I remember watching this on Air Crash Investigations, not saying they did bad, but gotta admit, a X-Plane version of this disaster does look much better
One thing that is quite infuriating about ACI is 1, unnecessary drama and 2, horrible and misleading crash animations and some are just completely wrong like Pan Am 103
@@user-e-idk not sure about 2, but 1 surely holds up, ACI does look more like a soap opera sometimes, hugely dramatized
@@ConcordeError404 sometimes they use wrong liveries like this plane crash, use wrong planes in the CGI like Korean 801, and just used wrong information like calling an MD-80 a DC-9 in SAS 751. The Pan Am disaster was shown teared to 4-5 big pieces but in real life only the front section broke (similar to TWA 800)
*coughs in SFD
god i love that show
if anyone wants to watch it, the “Wonder” youtube’s channel uploads full episodes without ads for free
Nice video. I fly Copa a lot because it allows comfortable connections all over South America and they used Embraer jets to fly to AUA until the pandemic. I didn’t know they retired the type.
Hi Chloe, i watched most of your Disaster breakdown's videos and they're quite awesome. If you wanna breakdown more accidents involving trains, i suggest you should take a look an accident which happened in my country (Argentina) long time ago called "La tragedia de Once" or "Once's station tragedy". The accident was soo controversial that it severaly affected the already fragil political stability here. At least 2 of my neighbors lost a relative in this tragedy. Let me know if you need more info about it Hugs from Argentina.
or for a fun one, look up dutch metro saved by whale 2020
@@dontspikemydrink9382 omg I remember seeing that in the news!!!! It was so lucky that the whale was there
Love each and every video you make, I still maintain you have the best air crash doco channel on TH-cam!
Allec joshua ibay is number 1.
I agree with you, Marie.
Disaster Breakdown is my favorite for sure. Professional quality presentation every time. I also like Airspace.
Well, I fly with Copa next week. Excellent timing for watching this video!
Are you still here?
@@aperturelabs8552 I am but the flight was delayed several hours. We lost an entire day .
This crash is so sad that they just ripped apart And I Love These Videos i stay up to 10-12 just to watch these, your efforts are amazing Ty for this good content
Whoa! never knew about this accident from my country (Panama), awesome video!!
Wow! You must have been living on the outer space or something because every one (Panamanians) knew/know about this accident, I was a little kid when it happened I remember watching it on the news in Panama.
@@juanvictoria610 muchos de los mas jovenes no conocen sobre este pedazo de nuestra historia. Yo solo se de esto porque un tio mio estaba en la PTJ(actual DIJ) en ese tiempo, y fue parte del equipo de busqueda.
I AM OBSESED WITH THIS CHANEL AND WITH THE TRAIN DISASTER ITS EVEN MORE PERFECT!!!!
Thanks so much for watching! I'll be sure to start looking at another Train video soon.
@@DisasterBreakdown OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH
@@DisasterBreakdown U should do the crazy 8 story
@@DisasterBreakdown i already asked on twtitter but i have a request for disaster averted. In 2020 a dutch metro derailed but was saved by a whale.
Love the videos. You’re doing a great job with them. Thank you for all your work on them. Interesting to get the post-Mortem on these accidents
I usually watch these the day they come out - unfortunately missed it by a day, but I am here now to watch the amazing Chloe content!
The strange thing is that they didn’t use their standby ADI. Maybe the captain and first officer was focused on their ADI. Also what is your favorite Soviet Plane? Mine is Tupolev TU-134. It has a glass nose which is my favorite thing about Soviet planes.
The fact that they didn't use the standby ADI puzzles me; it's right there in front of them and as they were struggling to -- in their minds -- level the plane before they rolled it upside they would have clearly seen it displaying the correct position of their aircraft.
My theory is that because the pilots believed that the Captain's ADI was on an Auxiliary Gyro then what they were seeing on their ADIs was correct and the standby ADI was inoperative.
Without the CVR we'll never know.
I agree, the standby ADI is powered straight from the battery bus. I worked as a mechanic on 737-200s back in the day for the Airlines. I remember on occasions when the aircraft arrived at the gate with a bad ADI, the pilots knew which one was malfunctioning. I know regarding the Copa 737, they were flying at night in pitch darkness with no ground reference. The standby ADI was there for them.
It's easy to say as such sitting in your sofa, trying to figure it out in the heat of the moment at 25000ft is a whole other issue.
Plus the standby ADI is _tiny_ in a hurried panic it'll be very easy to miss it and just focus on the big main instruments.
@@farhanatashiga3721 It's ashamed that the 737 they were flying had a different ADI switching system than the one they were trained on in the simulator. The Airline should have standardized the fleet before the accident. With all that said, yes the standby ADI is small but it is there for a reason, when all else fails, you can count on it.
@@70slandshark47 I asked this question to a former British Airways Captain who has flown everything up to the 747 including the 737, DC-10, A320, but not the Concorde. He told me that was the old procedure of dealing with Vertical Gyro failures and Copa’s procedure was perhaps a newer way. The plane was owned by Britannia Airways until 2 months before the crash and my guess is that Britannia was still using the old procedure and when it was acquired by Copa they still had yet to modify the Vertical Gyro switches on this plane.
Great video as always! Would you consider making an episode about Britannia Airways flight 226A in 1999?
Phew, for a second I thought I was going crazy and the ADI wasn't the artificial horizon until you mentioned it!
I am Panamanian and this is very sad, Rest in Peace all 43 people onboard flight CM201
A spirit level would not indicate where the horizon is. There is one, or something similar, in most planes. It is used to gauge the balance of forces in a turn. When the bubble (or ball) is in the center, the forces are balanced, no matter the orientation of the plane, (in positive g's). The plane could be up-side down in a spiral, or some other such circumstance.
1:33 That's an awesome livery
Wow.
Brings back memories - my first ever flight was on Brittania (on their previous livery, but a 737-200), then flew with them multiple times on other planes with that livery (esp 757s later). They were quite good for a holiday charter airline.
How do they not feel that they're upside down or falling? Whenever I go flying I can feel it turning left, turning right, going up or going down, is that just me? Lol
What you are feeling is movement. And because you know what way your meant to be facing you can Guage what way you are going. But your body is only feeling movement. If you close your eyes on a plane you won't know what way it's moving.
@@brotakig1531 I'm confused, shouldn't it be easy to tell if your banking to far left or right with how your body reacts? Even if in complete darkness one should know if there in an upright position.
Centrifugal or centripetal force can feel like and be confused with gravity when no other reference is present.
@@lyfe8349 Nope, our brains are terrible with balance and stability without visual input. Find a big field, blindfold yourself and try to walk straight across it. You WILL walk in big circles and not even feel it.
When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.
It's called spital disorientation. Put it simple, our sensation will betray you when you flying, especially in the night or bad weather. Instrument flying is the main way to combat it. When instrument failure or in worse case, untrustworthy due to blockage, this is the results
You deserve a million followers! Keep up the amazing work brother :)
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@@ImperialDiecast More than identifies, transitioned.
Phenomenal analysis!
This hits close to home because I flew that type airplane and flew in and out of Panama many times. It looks to me that the inversion happened so fast that they didn’t have time to focus on the standby artificial horizon. It is unfortunate that they flipped that switch in the wrong direction. It emphasizes the importance of checklists and not to get in a rush. I always said nothing happens in an emergency situation in the 737 so fast except for a fire that the crew doesn’t have plenty of time to deal with the emergency.
Here in Panama not much happens, but I remember distinctly an accident,about 18 yrs ago.
An avianca(I think) plain departed from Tocumen, as it passed over the city the motors were making an INSANLY loud noise and flying VERY low.
A lot of people saw it from owr windows. It crached in the forest. I'm amazed they did not go back to the airport having that creepy loud noise.
It wasn't an Avianca plane. Avianca hasn't had a single aviation disaster in Panamá. Lots of love from a Colombian brother 🇨🇴🤝🇵🇦
Ningun avion de Avianca se ha accidentado en territorio panameño. Sera que estas pensando en el helicoptero SAN-100?
Yikes! All because of worn wires! I flew COPA in the past to head to South America and back. Only gripe was a one time baggage claim issue, but it’s a good airline to fly.
I went to a presentation with the Blue Angels and one of the things they talked about was at night time you can lose your perspective so if you’re ever concerned, you drop your pen and watch how it falls and the adjust yourself accordingly
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Nice video, I would recommend FlyDubai flight 981 for the next video.
Thanks for the new video! 💚
great video as always!
When I first saw a documentary about 201 [ th-cam.com/video/qf_Uz2UmUSM/w-d-xo.html ] one thing that struck me was the fact that the investigators couldn't determine why the captain was found out of his seat in the wreckage. I reckon(ed) he was manually reconfiguring the ADI girosource(s). RIP all.
You should do a short video about how it's even possible for these pilots to not realize they're banking, rolling, climbing/diving. You'd think they'd be able to feel the relative positions because of gravity and momentum of your body.
Also why isn't there a liquid horizon instrument. They operate on gravity and don't fail.
gravity only works in a static environment. if you are accelerating (like when turning or banking) your liquid horizon wont work
Approaching 100K and you’ve earned it! Love your videos and how well researched they are. Keep up the amazing and entertaining work!
A faulty gyro also led to the crash of a boeing 747 off the coast of bombay, that of Air India Flight 855.
Hope you do a video of it one day.
10:55 --- 🤣 "...a spirit level?" I have an even better idea for ya --- Use a rabbit's foot as a plumb bob. Now *there's* an alternative turn and bank indicator that actually has some luck behind it ... except for the original owner, I suppose.
So... With all our technological advancement... We refuse to crash proof these planes... We wont build high speed underground rail systems... Instead we choose to get inside aluminum tubes that reach speeds in excess of 500 mph that can also become unrecoverable if one single guage stops working on a machine with dozens and dozens of gauges, readouts, electronics... Etc. God I hate flying.
Great video, horrible incident. I have to work today (Saturday) but at least I'm not dead.
Without having watched the whole video, I cannot understand how one could fail to notice being upside down...are they strapped into their seats so tightly they dont notice or am I missing something here? (Ive never flown, so I dont know anything about how flying feels like)
Spatial disorientation and centrifugal force
@@ey7290 That does sound reasonable.
Where did you get this livery,I can't find it anywhere.😮💨
I heard of an event where a flight of blue angels flew past an usaf transport plane inverted convincing the usaf aircraft that IT was the one inverted, I don’t know if it really happened or if it was a navy joke.
Love The Video
R.I.P To All The People Who Died In The Crash
Can You Do Airasia Flight 8501 Next?
Or The 1987 Bintaro Train Crash
One minor correction. In 1992 Copa Airlines operated 22 (including the accident plane) Boeing 737-200s and 1 Boeing 737-100. Just thought it was worth mentioning that they also operated one B731 in 1992.
Ok. Before I watch those, I'm thinking.... How does anyone in a plant NOT know they are flying upside-down!!!!!!???
you said the adi was switched to capt. side rather than aux, yet what was the default setting?
Exceptional content.
The plane was seen to go down in flames likely because the fuel tanks ruptured from the forces, I just don't buy this explanation.
Still ordering the same plane... kind of like me, I know my bank is cheating me with tricky ways of making me overdrawn so they can sting me with overdraft charges, and I know I need to transfer my deposit to another account or card, but I keep putting it off thinking this time I'll be smarter, but this is their livelihood and they're expert at it. 👀😵💫
Lol I think identify with this so much which is why I no longer bank with traditional banks. They suck.
Just one faulty instrument lead to pilots confusion that brought the plane down. Wow
You fall asleep at the wheel for one sec and crash into a schoolbus....mistakes are so often banal. People find that difficult to accept apparently which is why conspiracy theories exist.
How terrifying!
I was thinking, how can you not feel what the plane is doing. I have only flown a plane once and that was assisted by an instructor. It was a very little plane. But I could feel all the little twitches, wiggles and especially the banking turns. It was daylight so I could always back what I felt with what I could see. Loosing spacial orientation can happen. Unless I am the pilot, which is highly unlikely I won't be flying if there is a choice.
I'm from Panama
I'm from the United States, State of Georgia, but I spend a lot of my time in Guatemala because my wife is down here still due to immigration issues. Got to love government! But it gives me a chance to be in Central America which I absolutely love. I really want to get down to Panama as soon as I can one day, and of course Copa airlines would be the airline I would take to get there. They've got Central America pretty locked down, although my flight from Atlanta Georgia to Guatemala La Aurora is a Delta 757-200 every time. But I mean it's Atlanta Georgia so, everything is Delta except for a few that are Southwest! Although in reality ig is such a busy airport that we get airlines from all over the world and every company.
9:00 “Bank angle” “bank angle” “over speed over speed”
Did I miss the year of this accident? Or it wasnt mentioned?
I am always puzzled as to why pilots can bank and overbank their planes in situations like this and not physically feel that they are no longer upright and are leaning far to the left or right...surely the passengers also feel this too?
In a situation like that, where you're in the dark with failed instruments, its very easy for spatial disorientation to occur. The sensations your body feels may not be accurate, especially without a reference
I commented on a similar question:
Our brains are terrible with balance and stability without visual input. Find a big field, blindfold yourself and try to walk straight across it. You WILL walk in big circles and not even feel it.
When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.
Good video.
It might be more reverent to say ‘souls’ instead of occupants. I could be wrong, good content nonetheless. Thanks
How did they realize the Captain's gyro was faulty in the first place? After redirecting both ADIs to the same faulty gyro they should've experienced the same problem that lead them to switch to another gyro.
So here’s a good indication that your plane is upside down.. the passengers screaming while on the ceiling. 😮
What is the song in the beginning
How can you not notice the artificial horizon is bugged, and just blindly follow it? I think these pilots should bring one of them leveling rulers with the bubble in it, and use that instead.
You can be experienced as much as you want, but nothing teaches you faster than a deserter. It’s unfortunate a lot of times, they don’t make it out.
That's inaccurate. They've also operated embraer jets in their fleet.
Do they still currently operate Embraer? I really like the Embraer aircraft overall. But here in Guatemala where I'm currently at, the aircraft that usually goes between here and Panama is a 737-800 I believe. It's some model of 737 new generation, 7/8/900. But I think -800. I'll look up their fleet and see what else they fly, that'd be interesting.
@@toddabowden not anymore. Retired during or before the pandemic. The fleet now is mostly 737NG and Max variants
IDK if you refined the lighting after my comment in a previous video but thank you ma'am for making it a little lighter on the night flight! I can see much clearer compared to other vids.
Seen this on ACI.
pulling a Stuka
Wait, what..?😮
These videos make me want to never fly again.A tiny bug can crash a plane,in experienced pilots,drunk pilot plus put a 40 year plane on top of that,NO THANKS
flying is very safe, these freak accidents are like saying that you won't buy a lottery ticket because you might win
Flying is one of the most unsafe ways of travel today,if the pilots are not drunk, no bugs in pieto tube,bird strike....etc.as safe as driving,not really.ill believe that when a car wreck kills 200 plus people,and scatters wreckage over a vast area.You are ignorant if you think flying is safe.Just within last month,suicidal pilot crashed a plane in china.I guess that is safe to you.👎😎
How do you fly upside down without knowing? 🤨
Just because that model had some issues doesn’t mean that every 737 has that issue
To this day, I don't know why pilots don't hang a plumb line in the cockpit.
FIVE flight attendants!??!!
Holy damn
on the same day when the plane crash the 13 episode of sailor moon was air.
Thank heavens we're back to the aviation content 💜
Your voice is very sweet.
If there was anyone using the bathroom doing number 2 the 💩 would have hit the ceiling
Unknowingly Flying Upside Down, how is this possible? You feel it.....
How would a crew not feel extreme difference in bank?
When an aircraft is banking slowly with no visual input, the change in your inner ear isn't rapid enough for your brain to interpret, that's how pilots can end up at 30-40 degree banks without noticing and as soon as they bring the wings level quickly, their brains freak out and think they've banked 30-40 degrees in the OTHER direction. It's why instrument flying is SO fucking critical in IMC flying, you literally cannot trust your body.
@@mattd6085 Aha! Now that makes sense.
Chris Eubank without a lisp.
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Using auxiliary gyro and getting unreliable data caused the crash
And broken wires
maybe same as MU5735…
Cooooooool
Woops flipped the wrong switch.... Everyone's dead.
Safest form of travel.
Airbus flunkie.
It was june 6 1992*
Thanks for pointing that out, I cannot believed I missed that!
No problem, also I have a request 1998 ariana afghan boeing 727 crash
@@birgenair301 Yeah I'll look into it. Just looked it up, never heard of it, could be interesting.
@@DisasterBreakdown Thx
@@DisasterBreakdown Do you think it's known enough for an episode?
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ehem its been days since i gave you my suggestion and um has there been any progress since that i mean atleast some consulting on if the video is worth it should have been conducted
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You should do a short video about how it's even possible for these pilots to not realize they're banking, rolling, climbing/diving. You'd think they'd be able to feel the relative positions because of gravity and momentum of your body.
Also why isn't there a liquid horizon instrument. They operate on gravity and don't fail.
Spatial disorientation and centrifugal force.
As for the liquid device, it simply doesn’t work. Such a device could not distinguish between straight and level flight and an upside down 1g dive. Also turbulence is a thing.
Edit: Those devices works by effect of gravity. On aircraft, it will only work if it is going at constant velocity and altitude. Any changes in these two factors will result in malfunctioning of level bubble. Therefore they are useless, because it is impossible to have 100% steady attitude and velocity.
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