Wait for the quadruple timpani! - Symphony No. 1 "Elements" 4th Movement "Fire"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- The 4th movement of my first symphony.
My intention is to write a symphony in four movements, in which each movement represents one of the four elements earth, air, water and fire. This is why I gave the symphony the additional name "Elements".
The piece should describe the elements character and nature like a symphonic poem.
This is the 4th and final movement and represents the element "fire". The fire can be very playful and warmhearted but always with the risk of uncontrollability. Out of control the fire brings destruction and death. Therefore I've integrated the beginning of Dies Irae in this movement. And out of the ashes new life can arise. But the main topic is the uncontrolable and destroying force of fire.
The audio directly comes from MuseScore 4 using MuseSounds with only a view EQs added directly in the MuseScore mixer but with no other external effects.
Enjoy listening and leave a comment!
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An actual orchestra playing this would be absolutely amazing
That would be a dream of myself!
@@michaellyndee Can't wait for your second symphony!!!! You are so criminally underrated
Thank you very much! This feels sooo good!
you're not even amateur anymore, you are a professional
Thank you for this compliment!
That ending is brilliant, it actually sounds like a roaring fire blazing through a city or something like that. I've just finished listening to all four movements, and it's actually very good. Will definitely listen again. Five stars!
Many thanks! I'm glad that you like it!
Absolutely marvellous! I got goosebumps with the finale. You definitely put the orchestra on fire!
Thanks! I hope a real orchestra will play my symphony one day (without getting physically on fire ;-) ).
This is by far the best movement out of all 4!nice work!
Талант, раскрывающийся в сложном конкурирующем мире. Пусть признание придёт к Вам, пока Вы молоды и полны сил. Желаю Вам звучания Ваших произведений на большой сцене.
Wow ! Very impressive work. I started with the finale, i'm lucky i can now listen the whole symphony without waiting for long.
Thank you for listening and liking!
the horns growling in 1:46 is insane bro! I didnt know you could do that in musescore
Many thanks for your complement! Adding a tremolo to winds or brass gives the flutter tongue sound.
Nice one
Many thanks!
Another wonderful creation - I just subscribed and I'm going to have to make a point of listening to all your work, really well done, love it.
Many thanks for watching and subscribing! I hope you enjoy all my work!
A very convincing effort on the finale. Well done.
Thank you very much!
@@michaellyndee I hope you will post it as single work, so it can be listened to in one sitting without interruption.
There is a playlist with all movements on my channel:
th-cam.com/play/PLXEyHuBZ9C2dGuAzFDQcJpA9brMD9ott0.html
I’ve been waiting for the finale, it is great work. You’ve inspired me to make my own symphony, which I haven’t finished yet
Many thanks! I'm glad that I could inspire you and wish you much success with your symphony!
During a very stressful day, this music struck me so hard that I could not help but to listen to the very end, and it left me, fiery excited to continue my often difficult work as a Physics PhD with the stress blown away as the music took it under its wings, and it died with the ending of the music. I am very impressed, and thank you!
This, however, is not why I comment. I am exploring the capabilities of Noteperformer using Dorico to perform Midi edits to further enhance the digital performance. So far, I must admit that MuseScore seems to produce the best-sounding results straight out of the box, but with Noteperformer 4, Dorico 5, and BBCSO Pro symphony, I am curious to hear what could be accomplished and to compare with your Musescore rendering. Therefore, if you feel comfortable sending a music XML file, I would like to render this music using my setup to compare and finally see whether MuseScore actually beats the best possible tools money can buy you. I would of course share the results with you (and no-one else without your permission)! Let me know what you think.
Nice to hear that my music could motivate you so much. I've also studied physics and know how stressful this can be.
I've often listen to playbacks with Noteperformer and BBC and the sound is quite good but in my opinion MusesScore has a warmer sound (except from the trumpets...). And for the reason both Noteperformer and BBC Pro is chargeable and MuseSounds is completely free the decision is clear for me.
Due to copyright I don't want to send XML files. I hope you can understand this even if the comparison would be really interesting.
Nevertheless, thank you for watching and commenting! Music becomes even more alive when talking about!
Glad to hear you have also studied physics!
Interesting, then we both agree on the sound of MuseScore. In particular, I think it does a better job of humanizing the phrasing and connecting articulations naturally. But Dorico gives me a level of control using midi channels that is hard to replace. I totally understand the copyright issue, and expected precisely this.
Keep up the great composing!
Thanks for understanding the copyright issue. I own some really good VSTs from the Vienna Symphonic Library and didn't get a satisfying result out of Sibelius or Dorico. Even a very time spending Cubase Mockup couldn't reach the quality of MuseSounds. I'm sure an audio engineer could do much better stuff but I have not the necessary skills or the time to learn them. I'm a hobby composer, not an audio engineer. And so MuseScore is the best choice for me and I hope the Sounds will improve and enrich even more.
Hi, greetings from Brazil! I really love to see contemporary composers like you doing an amazing job. This movement is such a pleasure to hear and please keep it up with your work. I say this because I am kind of bored with the same classical music and hearing such a good and new music made me excited.
Thank you very much! I'm very glad that you like my work! And greetings back to Brazil!
@joaofernandes8051 Agreed
Hat mich stellenweise an Jon Leifs Hekla erinnert! Sehr gut geschrieben 👌!
Vielen Dank!
I've been long waiting for this one. Sooo epic! The orchestra will be set on fire if they played this. Anyways, congratulations on your first symphony, such an original, well developed idea. Anxious to listen to more!!
Thank you very much for your comment! I'm glad that you like this movement.
A very cool vision. Love what you did with the rhythms throughout. Very organic feeling. Even if it sounds a tad too “film music” for my personal taste. The *epic* orchestral sound has been done to death in games and films at this point. One way to stray from that sound would be to have more counterpoint I think. Your score overall could benefit from more divided parts. You can do a lot with just a few sections and it would give a unique contrast rather than just relying on strings or brass to sound big.
I would also add that you could push the harmonic language by quite a bit. Again, this is personal taste, but the harmony here sounds like what a teenager would come up with just playing around at the piano. It sounds good, but predictable. There doesn’t seem to be significant tonal conflict between rivaling keys, no striking dissonances, not surprising median shifts, no emphasized reinterpretations. These are the kind of toys a matured war hopes to hear you play with.
It’s hard to be critical without sounding damning. So I’ll reiterate that I think this is an awesome piece and you should be proud of your hard work. I wouldn’t bother commenting in the first place if I didn’t enjoy it long enough to stay and listen to the whole thing.
Many thanks for your time and for commenting!
Counterpoint is one thing I'm currently try to improve and many times I think a counterpoint would disrupt the feeling or the melody. The main reason for that probably is that my skills aren't sufficient yet.
The harmonic progression is in deed very basic for two reasons. First I don't like dissonances much even if I've played in a jazz band for years. The second reason is that this symphony should take the listener on a journey throughout every movement and the whole symphony. The harmonic simplicity makes it easier for the general public to follow this journey.
I'm very grateful for your comment, your criticism and your advices. It really seems you know what you're talking about and I will try to include your thoughts and suggestions in my work. May I ask if you have any professional musical education?
Many thanks again!
Passionate!
Many thanks! I'm just wondering what you think about the 3rd movement...
This is Awesome, i've been always checking your channel to see if you finally posted and today you did, I'm not disappointed!!!
Thank you very much! I'm glad that you like it!
Amazing work.
Just a comment/piece of advice regarding playability: the timpanist needs time to change pedals for the big "quadruple timpani" moment around 5:47. Because of this, a long tacet beforehand would be recommended because the part as currently written is impossible to play and doesn't give the player enough mental preparation. I definitely like the idea however, so the notes in the timpani prior to the key change should be transferred to other instruments (i.e. the bass drum can play every beat taking over the timpani's rhythmic duty). Also, giving the timpanist that long break provides the necessary dramatic effect and puts the timpani in the spotlight when it comes in. Please keep these things in mind, especially if this is eventually going to be performed by a real orchestra.
Many thanks! I see!
I more thought about the time to get two more mallets (or to get another percussionist helping the timpanist) rather than the tuning as I usually do. You're absolutely right and I will spend some time to think about a solution.
Because youtube doesn't support video actualization this improvement will only affect the print version which hopefully will be available in the foreseeable future. So many thanks for this advice!
Amazing work. Do you compose a score for orchestra right away or do you write a draft first (for example for piano)?
The next project is for a composer competition, so I can't publish it before the competition is over. I will do some tutorials in that time.
Amazing! You’ve done a really great job at encapsulating the feel of the four elements, and I love the energy in this movement!
Does this signify the conclusion of the symphony? It’d be great to see a full midi recording of the whole piece!
Thanks for your complement! I've thought about a conclusion but this would have made necessary an additional movement. Otherwise the equality between the elements would be destroyed.
@@michaellyndeeI see! I really like the concept of the four elements, and I agree, it works well like this! Making fire the conclusion was a nice call, especially with the fiery ending you have! (No pun intended!) great job!
4 months in the making! Will you release a video with the full symphony?
There is a playlist with all movements on my channel:
th-cam.com/play/PLXEyHuBZ9C2dGuAzFDQcJpA9brMD9ott0.html
Really epic!
Many thanks!
Don't think I didn't notice that "Allegro con fuoco" tempo marking!
Hey Michael, this is piece is fantastic! We would love to feature it on our channel. Let us know if you’d like that and we’ll make a video for it.
Thank you for praising and offering to feature my symphony on your channel! I'd like that very much! It's fantastic that you give modern composers a place to show their work! Thank you very much!
@@michaellyndee done, you're featured!
Many thanks! This is so cool!
Das ist mit abstand der Beste Satz für mich, also der, der mir am besten gefällt. :-) Ich habe mehrere Fragen an dich. 1. Warum kein Kontrafagott? 2. Warum zeigst du bei manchen Passagen nur ein Teil von der Partitur? Hat das was mit Kopierrechten zutun? 3. Hast du dich von anderen Komponisten, oder Musikstücken inspirieren lassen? Und die Letzte Frage ist, woran wirst du als nächstes arbeiten, oder arbeitest du schon etwas? Auf diese Fragen muss nicht eingegangen werden. Wenn du sie nicht beantworten willst, finde ich das auch nicht schlimm. :-)
freue mich dass er die so gefällt. Mein Favorit ist das Wasser!
Zu deinen Fragen:
1. Aufgrund des besseren Überblicks habe ich mich lieber für Bassklarinette statt für Kontrafagott entschieden.
2. Ich versuche die relevanten Stellen zu zeigen. Das Ausblenden leerer Zeilen mag ich persönlich nicht. Und das Anschreiben zu erschweren ist ein positiver Nebeneffekt
3. Ich habe natürlich Komponisten deren Werke ich sehr gerne mag. Diese habe ich vorwiegend studiert und somit ist mein Kompositionsstil natürlich geprägt. Dvorak, Rachmaninoff und Strauss zählen hier zu den wichtigsten.
4. Mein nächstes Werk ist für einen Kompositionswettbewerb. Da ich dieses vor Abschluss des Wettbewerbs nicht veröffentlichen darf, wird es eine ganze Weile dauern bis das nächste Stück online geht. Ich hoffe ich schaffe ein paar Tutorials zum Thema orchestrales Komponieren.
Ich hoffe ich konnte deine Fragen zu deiner Zufriedenheit beantworten. ;-)
@@michaellyndee
Guten Tag. Ich habe dein Video nochmal angeguckt und mir ist erst jetzt aufgefallen, dass du ab 6:12 das Dies irea dies illa Thema verwendest, was eines meiner Lieblingsthemen in der klassischen Musik ist. Warum ich eigentlich herkam ist, ob es schon Neuigkeiten zu den Wettbewerb und zu deinen neuen Werk gibt, oder dauert das noch ein paar Monate? Ich will dich nicht nerven und ungeduldig bin ich auch nicht, ich bin nur neugierig. :-)
Bis zur Veröffentlichung dauert es bestimmt noch etwas. Der Einsendeschluss ist in Kürze und ich bin noch lange nicht fertig. Ich bin derzeit etwas im Stress ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@michaellyndee
Ok, vielen Dank für die Info. Ich wünsche dir einen schönen Tag und eine schöne Woche. :-)
How exactly is the quadruple timpani part meant to be played? Are you expecting one player to do it?
I think it would be easier if another percussionist can help, but I asume that it could be played by one player...
@@michaellyndeeI am a professional timpanist/percussionist and I can assure you that what you have written is highly unidiomatic. Four mallet playing will always be quieter than two mallet playing, and it seems that you’re going for force and volume. I’d recommend keeping it restricted to two notes or indicating that a second player must come. I would not give that part to a timpanist as it is written.
Otherwise nice job 👍
Thanks for your thoughts. I see. How would it be notated if a second percussionist has to help?
@@michaellyndee That’s a tricker question as it’s a very non-standard technique. I would recommend you keep the piece as 1 timp + perc, but within the perc section you include a second set of timpani. The part isn’t big enough to justify writing for 2 timp + percussion in my opinion. However if this piece finds a performance opportunity I think it would be best to take it to a professional orchestrator first, for advice.
Thank you very much for your advice!
6:18 and before, dies irae reference? Or it was a coincidence 😅
There are a view references on dies irae, to show the death bringing force of fire.
Amazing! 3:11 is that a Berlioz reference?
Thank you! As mentioned in the description I've included the beginning of "dies irae" to represent the death. That's the melody in the bass you might have recognized. Berlioz is referring to the same piece in his Symphony Fantastique.
@@michaellyndeecool 👍 great job
This is not music.
Well it is by definition, but maybe it's not the kind music you like...
@@michaellyndee no, it's just noise. The dictionary definition of music is about as clear as the marketing on a shampoo bottle.
@@Whatismusic123 What's your critique? There's definitely form and cohesiveness in the material and orchestration and the "noise" follows rules of tonality and counterpoint associated with the western musical tradition.
@@Whatismusic123 You also said, that Mussorgsky's "Hopak" is not music, so I don't think your opinion is viable. Seems like you're not capable of constructive feedback, you troll...
@@masterfnh7597 OH NOES, he said random noise wasn't music 😨😨😱😱