Can MuseScore 4 play a Symphony? - Symphony No. 1 "Elements" 1st Movement "Earth"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มี.ค. 2023
- The 1st movement of my first symphony.
My intention is to write a symphony in four movements, in which each movement represents one of the four elements earth, air, water and fire. This is why I gave the symphony the additional name "Elements".
The piece should describe the elements character and nature like a symphonic poem.
This is the 1st movement and represents the element "earth" so it's a very slow, heavy and massive piece. While listening to that movement imagine of big rocks and mountains as well as flat, beautiful and sometimes desolately landscapes, giant rockfalls as well as destructive earth quakes or volcanic eruptions forming new landscapes.
The audio directly comes from MuseScore 4 using MuseSounds with only a view EQs added directly in the MuseScore mixer but with no other external effects.
Enjoy listening and leave a comment!
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There is a setting where you can hide unused staves. It would make your video presentations much more fluid, compact the score and allow greater resolution on the more intimate areas. Love the music!
Thank you for commenting! I know this setting, but I personally don't like it much because on every page you have to figure out which staff belongs to which instrument. I find it much easier when every instrument has its fix place. But this is a personal preference.
@@michaellyndee The staff will say what instrument is on what line. The conductor should study the score and know what's happening. Great work musically, but 99% of conductors will want the reduced staves, it makes it much easier to read and recognize what's going on as the information is much clearer.
It's like when you have an excel sheet and it's not properly formatted as a table, so when you scroll down the name of the objects don't stay at the top of the screen. It can be very frustrating trying to figure out which line is which when it is not reduced because there is more going on score wise while not as much musically.
Just a thought as someone who has the (not unique) experience of conducting and composing.
Another idea is to combine like instruments into one line. This reduces the number of lines of your score, e.g., Horns 1-4 into 2 lines of Horns 1,2 and Horns 3,4. This is standard procedure for full orchestral scores when parts in any one set of instruments are not rhythmically complex.
MuseScore has an ‘Implode’ function that makes the reduction easier. Highlight the lines you want to combine (up to 4 voices, I believe), select the Implode function, and the lower lines will be combined in the proper order top (Voice 1) to bottom (up to Voice 4). I believe you could use this function with any selection of measures. Worth exploring if you want to reduce space.
And I enjoyed the music. Some of your gestures reminded me of Brahms, and others of Dvorak. Two things I’ve learned in the last couple of years with Orchestration Online videos: the flute in its range below D5 is easily swallowed if the orchestral texture isn’t very light. And harp needs to be notated in its upper range and at least a dynamic level above a light texture if it is to be heard with any ease. The lower 2 or so octaves are best used for solo work or as part of long glissandi such as only harps can perform.
Thank you for posting this movement.
@@christopherbernhardtIt really depends on the conductor. Ive played under many different conductors and have composed pieces we played. Most of them wanted the full score and not the hidden staves version. One of them has conducted the Oslo philharmonic and another one was the head of the conducting departement of Koninklijk conservatorium in the hague and also conducts a couple of relatively well-known orchestra’s in Germany and works with the conservatorium in Germany as well. They both like to have the full overview. I do agree that the conductor should study the score and know what is happening. Having the standard layout with all the staves and instruments makes it easy to find what you are looking for when needing to check something quickly, even when you know the score and piece really well.
@@wallcfraHorns are usually combined 1 and 3, 2 and 4. Putting some parts together could make the score a bit cleaner, I agree
That's a very interesting! The theme presented in the woodwinds really does resemble the second movement of Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 5, including its ethereal atmosphere.
I like the russian romantic composers very much!
this is truly incredible! it really put the picture of "earth" in my head lol
Wow. This is incredible. I couldn't imagine how long it took to make this.
Many thanks! It took quite a while but due to the slow tempo it was not as time spending as the 2nd movement I'm currently working on.
fire would be an amazing way to end a symphony!
You will see! ;-)
Well, this is delightful. Very well sorted themes. Always nice to run into another Tchaikovsky fan.
Thank you for commenting!
When all is said and done, you should see if you could get a live orchestra to play this.
I like the transition around 1:00 which is pretty good, from powerful to subtle.
Thanks! I'm glad you like it!
Gorgeous!
Thanks!
I'm back :)
even though I never made *my* Symphony 1 because I thought the melody was bad, I have some works I am making. So happy composing!
What? I did not expect that ff chord at end there... Well done!
Thanks for your comment!
Surprise!
I remember when I listened to Mahler 6 for the first time and didn't see the ending coming. Chailly + Concertgebouw btw. Close to a heart attack.
Ich mag Deinen romantischen Stil! Das ist etwas was man bei "zeitgenössischer" Klassik eher wenig sieht. Ich nutze für meine Kompositionen Finale und Noteperformer, aber echt schön zu sehen, dass MuseScore immer besser wird. Muss ich mal selbst ausprobieren. Danke für Deine Arbeit!
Danke dir! Schön, dass es dir gefällt!
Wow this is great! Beautiful composition, and what a testament to MuseSounds - there are some passages where it is barely distinguishable from live orchestral players (at least to my ears! 😄). Keep it up!
Many thanks! I'm glad to hear you like it! And of course no playback engine can take the place of a real orchestra.
Magnificent! So Sublime and moving. Inspiring work
Thank you!
wow!! so glad this came up for me to watch... i would love to play this someday !!!
Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear that you have enjoyed my music!
Bravo!!! Love this, great work!
Thank you very much!
GODDAMN BROTHER. YOU ARE CRACKED AT THIS SHIT MY GUY. PLEASE CONTINUE DOING WHAT YOU DO!!!!
Many thanks! Be sure, I will continue!
Very nice composition! Thank you very much!
Thank you too!
Incredible work on the composition and orchestration, absolutely live it!
Thank you very much! I'm glad that you like it!
nice!!!
Many thanks for your comment!
Magnificent. Grand. All the emotions !!!! Can’t wait for the remaining three elements.
Thank you!
I liked so much 🎉 Congrats 🎉 would be so nice to hear it live
Thank you and believe me, to hear this live would be a dream!
Fantastic first movement! I cannot wait to hear the rest!
Thanks! Be patient! ;-)
@@michaellyndee Sounds good! Working on the first movement of mine, so I know these are hard to produce! Best of luck!
This is really cool, and I was captivated from the start. You are definitely a wind player, aren’t you?
Thanks for your comment! I'm a pianist but every instrument has its own advantages and as a composer my intention is to get the best out of every instrument. To my ears the woodwinds can be used really efficiently for solo melodies or as a closed section because they differ more in color than other instruments within their section. But this is my opinion and is surely not the only (correct) one ;-)
@@michaellyndee I see, cool. I also listened to Air movement, and I thought that was really lovely too. Do you just compose for fun or is this your main thing?
Composing is just a hobby. And I love it!
Terrific!
Many thanks!
this is so cool!
Many thanks!
Das ist ja echt schön! Und mal nicht so kitschig, wie manch anderes auf TH-cam. Ich haber Musescore gerade erst installiert und auch mal 2 Minuten Partitur hier hochgeladen, das ist aber wirklich nur ein Test, was damit so ungefähr geht. Schade, dass es schwer mit fremden Soundfonts zu verheiraten ist, ich habe keine Möglichkeit gefunden, den Akzenten (PIzzicate, Staccato ...) im Mixer eigene Soundfont-Dateien zuzuweisen.
danke! Schön dass es dir gefällt!
Die Zuweisung verschiedener Artikulationen geschieht innerhalb der Soundfonts. Das Zusammenspiel von Musescore und VST Instrumenten ist definitiv ausbaufähig.
@@michaellyndee Vielen Dank! In den 4 Tagen habe ich glatt noch 4 Minuten dazugeschrieben und neu hochgeladen. Das Problem ist wohl, sinfonische Soundfonts sind ein Nischenmarkt für Außerirdische, sozusagen. Daher gibt es nur kostenlos oder schweineteuer, dazwischen nichts. Gerne hätte ich 150 Euro bezahlt, für einen Soundfont, der wenigstens nicht mehr wie Loriots Quietscheentchen klingt. Gibt es anscheinend nicht. VSL ist finanziell eine Lebensanschaffung, dazu kommt, dass es nicht Musescore-kompatibel ist, man müsste dann wohl noch Sibelius dazukaufen. Ich habe mir so einiges an Fonts runtergeladen, was so zu finden war und experimentiere gerade herum. Scheinbar gibt es einige Behelfslösungen, z.B. durch die Funktion Instrumentenwechsel in der selben Notenzeile, nur um ein schöneres Pizzicato in die Ohren zu bekommen. Oder 2 Notenzeilen für 2 Solo-Bratschisten, weil in dem einen Soundfont das Legato schön und das Stakkato grausig ist und im anderen Soundfont genau umgedreht. Dann würde man die Partitur eben in 2 Versionen speichern - eine saubere (wie eben für echte Musiker) und eine Spezialversion für die Soundausgabe.
Definitely here Tchaikovsky influences here
I'm not aware that I have been influenced by Tchaikovsky, more Dvorak and Rachmaninoff. Which piece from Tchaikovsky are you referring to?
@@michaellyndee Oh ok also makes sense 👍🏽. I was hearing a little bit of Tchaik 4 and 5, but Rach and Dvorak are great as well. A couple of my favorite composers.
Damn that's impressive!
Thanks! Nice to hear that you like it so much!
Nice!!
Thanks! Check out the other movements of my symphony. The last movement will come in the next few days ;-)
@@michaellyndee I did! Can't wait for the finale.
Going to G# in the bass here (rather than the more obvious E, or B) at 6:36 is such a classy move.
I'm glad you like it. The "fire" is nearly ready!
Wow. Very well done! I really enjoyed listening. Very captivating.
Thank you for this!
This is absolutely amazing! I have listened to the entire symphony multiple times, and it never fails to amaze me each time! I am also writing a symphony on MuseScore, and I was wandering whether you had any tips, whether just general tips on composing or using using MuseScore? Also, how do you fix the range of volume in the entire piece? I find that with MuseScore, especially orchestral classical music, soft bits with less instruments sound very very soft, while loud, orchestral tutti bits sound much too loud, and this makes for a difficult listening experience where the I have to keep adjusting the volume to be able to hear, or to not become deaf. Thank you so much, you are a massive inspiration!!
Many thanks! I'm glad that you like my work and that I could inspire you. To solve the volume issue you have to adjust the volumes in the mixer and when you have unbalanced dynamics (and this can happen quite often) you have to set an additional dynamic mark and hide it. But the new version 4.1 dreams to be better balanced. Give it a try!
@@michaellyndee Thanks for your reply! I will definitely try this, but I hope the next version will fix it. Thank you for work and good luck for your next one!
I get that this is really cool, the sound quality and all of that, but the keys being pressed is kind of frustrating. I don't know if anyone else holds that regard, but it should definitely should be optional.
What do mean by "keys being pressed"? Perhaps the way of inputing notes via keyboard?
@michaellyndee no, if you listen closely you can hear the keys on the instruments being pressed with every change of a note. Like the physical keys on the instruments are "modeled". It's dumb
This is incredible! The beginning is so powerful. But the immediate section after really does have the sonority of Earth’s austere voice… deep, strong, at times rapturous, other times volatile. You play around with some themes that are deeply moving and compelling. It’s interesting when we think of the grounding effects of earth; this has all of that. But, moreover, earth is unique, not as an element but as that which encompasses all other elements. There are moments in the second section that are legato- strings and winds like air. Then there are thunderous moments such as the beginning that do remind me of fire. Other languid and fluid lines have the effect of still water, or a breeze ruffling the leaves. It’s all here, but a fantastic, new and exhilarating piece. I’m so thankful to have found it. Congratulations and please keep writing! I’m also a composer but not on this level yet! May I ask where you drew your inspiration? It almost makes me think of Avatar the Last Airbender with the four elements or even the villages in Naruto. Anime, and other tv and movie compositions were among my first inspirations, certainly John Williams, which forgive me in saying that I hear what to my ear is an indelible mark made by him. This is of course fantastic, original music, nothing seems copied… there some other moments that I get a whiff of Mahler (my favorite composer.) but ultimately I do feel as if I hear your voice. A few moments I heard things that reminded me of Mahler 2 and 6… and undoubtedly Beethoven as well. Just lovely! Do I hear some Ravel Bolero too? You draw from very eclectic sources, and seem to have had a lovely education in music. I love the March theme in there…
Thank you for commenting! I love your description and interpretation. Honestly I wasn't inspired by a specific piece in here. I took my inspiration only from my imagination of the element earth. But of course my whole composing style is influenced by my favourit orchestral composers which are Dvorak and Rachmaninoff. I hope the you will like the next movements as well!
@@michaellyndee I will turn the notification bell on so I don’t miss it once it posts! If you ever have a chance to listen to my composition on my channel, I’d be indebted. Would love some feedback :) cheers and happy composing!
Jesus christ turn off your imagination sometimes. There's a point where belief becomes straight up delusion.
@@Whatismusic123 what is the point in replying? Go troll elsewhere
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Ich habe ein Konzertabo beim SWR-Sinfonieorchester und ich kann mir dieses Stück sehr gut mit dem „Stuttgarter Sound“ vorstellen.
Wenn Sie die restlichen Sätze geschrieben haben, würde ich Ihnen dringlich anraten, ein Orchester um einen Spielvertrag zu bitten. Ich kann mir vorstellen, dass diese Zeitgenössische Musik auch gut beim Publikum ankommt. Viel Erfolg beim weiteren komponieren. Und ein Abonnement haben Sie sich hiermit natürlich verdient!
Vielen Dank! Ich werde sehen was ich mache wenn alle Sätze fertig sind. Diese Symphonie live zu hören wäre natürlich überwältigend!
this is so good but my god you have to put some of that cello part in tenor or treble clef, the ledger lines would be the end of me
Thanks for your comment. Indeed there are several parts I forgot to "beautify" the sheet by changing the clefs. I will correct that before printing. Many thanks!
marvelous the ending was a banger ❤😅
Thanks! I like the ending too and hope it will sound even greater played by a real orchestra. I miss some humanity here.
Für meinen Geschmack etwas zuviel Tschaikowsky und Romantiker-Gesülze, aber solide orchestriert. Die Melodien sind mir zu nichtssagend, aber da hat wohl jeder andere Ideen. Für ein zeitgenössisches Werk aus meiner Sicht viel zu "zahm", wo bleiben die Spitzen der Felsen und die aneinanderreibenden Erdplatten?
Vielen Dank für deine Einschätzungen. Ich denke jeder hat andere Ansichten und Gedanken zum Thema "Erde". Wenn deine Affirmationen sich stark von den meinen Unterscheiden, wäre es interessant zu hören, wie du ein solches Werk geschrieben hättest.
This was so inspiring!!, i'm making a suite of "Emotions" with the 4 Main Emotions. Happiness, Sadness, Fear and Anger
Thanks for commenting! I'm glad that I could inspire you!
I've discovered you need to master at around -9 dB to stop the distortion.
Many thanks for your advice! I will try this in my next video.
Hi, im having difficulty coming up with slow melody lines in my Emotions Happiness suite symphony Composition, could you please give tips.
Not OP, but I'd say a slow melody should feel... lyrical. Think about the sorts of second themes you've heard in symphonies and such...
I'd say the first movement of Shostakovich's 5th symphony has some really good slow themes.
You need to combine all the movements into one video! In that one you could have just a cover or a score reduction
I guess Muse Sounds can play an entire Symphony! Your composition is fantastic!
Is there a way I can get all the MuseScore files for each movement, please?
Many thanks! I'm glad that you like my composition! I won't share the MuseScore files because of some bad experiences with copying. I'm planing to offer my compositions via a publisher and I will tell the community when they are purchasable.
Hi, is there a way for me to get this score, I really want to play this masterpiece.
I'm very glad to hear that you want to play my symphony! I'm currently working on the final movement and I'm in contact with a publisher. So I will inform the community after finishing my work and when the sheet is available. Please be patient!
@@michaellyndeeIt's ok! I wish the best inspiration and creativity for the last movement! It's going to be fire, literally!
Good job. Interesting sound. But I have doubts about the style you apply. I don't distinguish the Sonata Form or other typical structures of a Symphony (at least from the classical ones). Did you do that intentionally?
Thanks for commenting! My intention was that each movement should tell a story about one element. So the concept is more like a symphonic poem than a symphony in the classical way. I didn't stick to the sonata form but I wanted to take the listener on a journey through the elements nature and character.
@@michaellyndee I understood. Congratulations for your work. I've heard your other moves. Your intentions truly came true.
Perhaps, someday, you will want to listen to my String Quartet or my First Symphony called "Nova", although that is more in the classical form.
Greetings from Chile
Cant wait for the next moment
Thank you for watching! The next movement is online now!
th-cam.com/video/MLv5T-ytXEs/w-d-xo.html
This is incredible!!! I absolutely love this! You need to put these pieces together and publish them to streaming platforms!
I have one suggestion. The last measure (with that big heavy final chord), might sound better if there was an extra beat or two between the end of that quiet melody and the final chord. The last chord almost feels a little strained or rushed, but I think an extra beat or two would do wonders.
Thank you very much for your comment and your suggestion! I can understand your thoughts about the last bar. In my opinion a break would interrupt the flow too much. Therefore the last long note should be changed as a "fake ending" for example with a short circular harmonic progression. Otherwise it wouldn't make musical sense to me.
But I'm always interested in suggestions and possible improvements! So many thanks to you!
Can MuseScore 4 play a Symphony? Certainly it can, but if I'm honest, it could be performed better. I think the piece would benefit greatly if you got something like BBCSO Core or Nucleus Lite (I have Core, myself) and performed it again using one of those orchestas in a DAW.
Having said that, what a great composition!
Thank you for commenting and liking!
I know that MuseScore's playback is not the end but it's amazing what you can get out of the box and totally for free. I've tried to get VSL Special Edition running in Sibelius or Dorico and didn't get a satisfying result. Maybe I will give it a second chance when I have more time for that.
@@michaellyndee I'm not knocking MuseScore! Far from it! MuseScore is great for what it is, especially at the price!
Myself, I bought BBCSO Core last year specifically for one piece: an 11-minute single movement symphony I wrote for a composers' competition back in 1987. I didn't win, and ever since I had looked for ways and means of getting it performed properly. BBCSO Core is now that "way", with a little help from my MIDI hardware. Before tackling that, however, I am "getting up to speed" by working on some "practice projects". One of these "practice projects" that I'm currently working on is realising Bartok's 3rd Piano Concerto, a work I always wanted to perform. It's a bit of a mission - I've been at it on and off since February - but it's been really good for learning!
¡Suena increíble! y solo es el primer movimiento. Sin duda alguna no me voy a perder de esta obra
Muchas gracias! Yo publico el movimiento ultimo en las proximas semanas.
Tchaikovsky influence?
The build of lovely themes
For orchestration I've studied Rachmaninoff and Dvorak most, so a Tchaikovsky influence would be unconscious.
This is an amazing piece, I wish I could write something half as good as this!
Thank you very much! I'm sure you will one day if you go on learning. Everybody has to start!
@@michaellyndee Also, the string parts around 6:30, I would recommend taking out those long slurs because our bows are not long enough for slurring that long
@@williamgilligan3204They are meant to suggest the phrasing. I agree though that I think it‘s easier to just give some hint of bowing and leaving the phrasing to conductor and musicians.
Did you wrote this?
Yes, of course! If it wasn't by me I would have added the composers name!
@@michaellyndee grave you published it on MuseScore ?
I've published my Symphonic Fantasy on MuseScore and some guys copied and created ugly variations. So I won't do that with my symphony. I hope you can understand.
You probably already read my comment on another video.
I have only one side note, you write too long slurs. The fact that it's played beautifully in musescore doesn't mean it will work well in real life as well. The string player need shorter slurs to play the phrases with more bow movement.
You're very talented, but I would recommend you to have an orchestration tutor.
I give some lessons on this field since I have learned that in music faculty. Feel free to be in touch, or find some top level master to help you out.
Good luck
Thank you for this advice. You're not the first one who mentioned that and I already considered the slur issue in my actual works.
People who have money and time on their hands to become instant composers using computer softwear. All they lack is talent. Try writing on manuscript paper; it might yield much better results.
The fact that now you can hear an orchestra right on your desk doesn't mean anything, composition will continue to be difficult for composers so it didn't change much on this aspect.
Hi, im having difficulty coming up with slow melody lines in my Emotions Happiness suite symphony Composition, could you please give tips.
Hi, I think I will do some tutorial videos after finishing my symphony. So please be patient ;-)
@@michaellyndee Thank you so much!
@@michaellyndee Hi, yes I would love to see some tutorial videos by you regarding your workflow, melodic development, orchestration choices, etc. You have a lot to offer...really wonderful work!
I'm very busy at the moment so it will take a while. But be sure tutorials will come!