I own a first-generation Archon and It was worth every penny I spent on it. Excellent grip, trigger, and sights. Extremely flat and fast shooting and it ate every type of ammo I put through it. This includes low power target reloads. It is also far more accurate than I expected. It pretty easily smokes stock Sigs, Glocks and even a CZ SP01. I originally bought it for the unusual action, but I and everyone else who has shot it was surprised at what a great shooter it is. Potential cons are, the trigger will start to heat up after a couple hundred rounds and if you put a magazine in backwards, you can eject the ambidextrous mag-release from the grip.
I loved mine too...until the striker broke, the roll pin worked its way out of the trigger, and SAI took 6mo to repair it. Hoping PTR and aftermarket support is better this time around, it does shoot very well.
This is the most innovative pistols since its original release as the big brother Arsenal strike one. The way the trigger and striker work, the way the barrel works, it was one of the first chassis style pistols, and the grip modularity.
I own a Gen 1 and it’s my favorite 9mm of all. After first seeing Slade owned one , and attested to its greatness I found one and grab it. The gun has the lowest recoil other than maybe an alien. It’s low bore axis and almost non existent recoil make it absolutely amazing to shoot. I say this having HK’s, Sigs, SW, Canik, CZ, Staccato, and a crap load of other pistols. The guys complaining about the web of their hands hurting are soft AF! The new gen with its modular grip, talon customizable, possible steel grip make it even better. Of course they still make the gen 1 grip mod if you fancy that. IMO the gun is a sleeper, and I bet the people that actually shoot it before judging it will see it’s many benefits, and come to love as I do. Also I would like to add that the metal trigger is very good too. I put it just behind the Walther & Canik in the striker pistols. Conveniently it fits in all my SW M&P holsters including Safariland, Teir one, and TRex.
I was going to complain the gun only took 15 and 18 round mags, but the fact that it can be "subcompact", compact, and "full size" is incredible. No way I can afford it, but it's actual innovation on a unique gun.
Sig and springfield armory ( the croatian import if i'm not mistaken) have same the design where by the trigger is the registered part thus you can swap out your frames to build to your needs. Now i'm pretty sure sig came up with the design and then everyone else copied it......
Found them yesterday in my area for 850. Anyway, I would pay the 1050. This gun has too many good things, passed big youtubers torture tests, etc. Found several holster makers now as well as a shop that does trigger kits.
I have the new gen one, absolute love it. Kinda wish i waited for the optic cut/ threaded barrel version though. Aside from that, flawless pistol. Feels amazing, shoots amazing, and the flared magwell makes sub 2 second reloads easier than over 2 second reloads
A steel frame?! Now you got me excited. My gen already has almost no recoil at all, been doing uspsa with it, a steel frame plus comp would be just plain nasty. Hope they have some mag extensions coming as well for both carry optic and open divisions
What is the difference between the Archon type 2 full size and the strike one speed offered by American precision Firearms in Miami. BTW in the background at beginning of video saw the Rain6 guy. Maybe he can comment on the differences of these two pistols.
I think the APF one is the Italian produced one with slightly different specs, this is the Czech one witha redesigned frame. You would have to consult forums for full details lol
The gen 1 was fairly expensive but nothing crazy. That’s the only other pistol I’ve seen that looks similar as it’s a pretty unique design with the cut in the slide
I wanted to buy the Gen 1, messaged every dealer they had within 100 miles, I think there were like 18? not a single one ever got back to me, to this day I've never been able to buy one lol
Haven’t they tried to release this gun like 347,000 times and a bazillion different companies? I would love to buy one but cannot until I am sure the company and the gun will survive more than a year.
Forgot to paint on the remainder of 'her' (pronouns) eyebrows like all the models do. TFBTV leads the way in diverse hiring. They should be safe from the progressive mobs.
I would say - if you already bought it - deal with all the issues the gun has and improve what you can - if you're thinking about buying it - I don't recommend - reasons why? well, I bought it last year in October and since then I had 2 times a situation where I could not drop the mag - mag release has issues, Archon firearms knows about it - I had my mag release replaced already once and shit continues to create issues... now gave it to a gunsmith and waiting for some good news... Mags are expensive but you can buy one from CZ 75 - change the base pad and will work but costs half price ... Gun overall is nice, holds nice, shoot nice, you can feel it's a premium product but then you discover that it's a niche product and even though Archon Firearms says that many companies will bring stuff that will work with this gun - holsters etc(safari land, Alien gear etc) - bullshit... there's nothing or just basic stuff..
It wasn’t discussed in the video but the awesome guys at Archon showed me a few other new models coming out. I am very excited for them and hopefully everyone will be as well.
They did completely redesign the Hudson H9 though because it was originally a PoS. Only one part was kept, everything else was redesigned. I don’t think Archon is going under anytime soon like Hudson lol
@@Berserkable so an AR company took a gun that didn't work, used their years of experience with handguns to completely redesign everything about it, and now its good? I bet at the very least it pulls out ur mustache hairs.
This pistol checks all but two boxes for me - a 1911 grip angle and a trigger on par with a Canik or Walther. For me, the trigger is a deal breaker. Just wish hammer fired triggers were more plentiful.
@@allunavaliable most steel frame competition oriented guns are in the 40-49oz range. 59oz with an unloaded mag is the cap for USPSA carry optics. If this gun is 57oz, the mag and extension to reach 141.25m/23+1 capacity would likely put it over the weight limit.
I was shocked when I heard 57 oz as well! That doesn't sound quite right considering the footprint/size. 1620 has almost got to be with optic (sro sized) and 170mm magazine, right? No way they would screw that up on launch.
@allunavaliable Heavy yes...but 57 oz? Even with brass grips, it pretty tough to get a steel frame cz or tangfo to that weight. I'm inclined to believe he misspoke...maybe 57oz with sro, and uspsa length magazine with baseplate.
Nobody knows anything about this pistol because the company just assumes everyone knows the pistol's mechanics already. Their website doesn't even seem to show the best feature. Why?
Why are you using a can on a pistol? I don’t understand the appeal. If home defense why not a sub gun or rifle, and other than the range what’s the use case?
Yes and no. While there's a rising block, like in the Bergmann-Bayard, the entire setup is more similar to a classic Browning tilting barrel action, where the tilting part had been separated from the barrel, so it's now a rising bloc. The designer, Nicola Bandini, did the same with the rotating barrel action (Steyr M1912, Beretta PX4), separating the rotating part from the barrel, with his new pistol, the new Decima Rapax.
You had me until they mentioned the $900 price tag for a polymer pistol without any wide scale deployment and little proven track record. Then again its PTR and they charge a premium for a MP5 clone.
@@Quality_Guru you said $900 for a polymer pistol from a company that is known to charge premiums. I was trying to point out this is more than a polymer pistol. Look at the trigger for example.
How about just make a gun, and sale it with the same size mags. Then if someone wants to convert it to a big bulky handle, they can order it like that. Im liking the gun itself. But I can't get why companies are doing things like that.
I love my gen1 but highly discourage people from buying any more archon since they have none existing customer service. My gun took 2 years of radio silence for them to service and they didn’t give back my mags.
@@gero4415PTR is not Archon. They are an established company, specializing in HK-styled action clones. also Archon has their own factory in Czech Republic. New group of folks. Ive had no problem reaching them.
Ok, but does the trigger still melt the skin off your finger, tho? For serious, I've had a Strike One forever and I want these shifty weirdos to succeed, but there's a reason they keep changing company names and distribution partners.
@@LIONTAMER3D Oh I know exactly what it is, but I haven't seen a threaded barrel for sale yet. So it's alienating what I'd say is a decent chunk of their potential market.
@@stug77 Suppressor owners will still buy them anyway, and suppressor use is still a small minority. It'll have no impact besides all the people who weren't gonna buy it anyway bitching at them online. The dude also literally says "the model with a threaded barrel" in the video you tool.
@@poip202 I believe it was claimed to press on a tendon under recoil to automatically tighten your grip? It is easily removed with a bit of dremel work.
Neat but not price competitive. Range toy, curiosity, and novelty. Alien gun; Daniel Defense, 2011's, RIA 5.0, etc. Collect them all(for your safe and to show off to friends)! Really going to conceal carry any of them daily and trust your life to them? Go to war guns?
Problem with alot of these toys shown at this toy show is that none are really proven, pricey, shtf happens can't just grab a random mag a la Glock and maybe too many moving parts. Plus seems like me to toys. Only a couple interesting ones for sure but not much else at least IMO.....but no one asked🤣👍🏽
If I remember correctly, these are compatible with CZ75 magazines, so mag compatibility shouldn't be an issue. The previous versions have been around for a long time and have a decent reputation for reliability.
I wish more companies direct milled optics cuts like this.
Now THAT is how a thorough interview should be done. All the right questions and answers.
I own a first-generation Archon and It was worth every penny I spent on it.
Excellent grip, trigger, and sights. Extremely flat and fast shooting and it ate every type of ammo I put through it. This includes low power target reloads.
It is also far more accurate than I expected.
It pretty easily smokes stock Sigs, Glocks and even a CZ SP01.
I originally bought it for the unusual action, but I and everyone else who has shot it was surprised at what a great shooter it is.
Potential cons are, the trigger will start to heat up after a couple hundred rounds and if you put a magazine in backwards, you can eject the ambidextrous mag-release from the grip.
Very interesting, thank you for the quick review
I loved mine too...until the striker broke, the roll pin worked its way out of the trigger, and SAI took 6mo to repair it. Hoping PTR and aftermarket support is better this time around, it does shoot very well.
This is the most innovative pistols since its original release as the big brother Arsenal strike one. The way the trigger and striker work, the way the barrel works, it was one of the first chassis style pistols, and the grip modularity.
that method of changing grip lenght is genius
I want PTR to expand so badly. I love my 101 GIR and am about to get a 32. They've been good to me.
The modular grip is brilliant.
I own a Gen 1 and it’s my favorite 9mm of all. After first seeing Slade owned one , and attested to its greatness I found one and grab it. The gun has the lowest recoil other than maybe an alien. It’s low bore axis and almost non existent recoil make it absolutely amazing to shoot. I say this having HK’s, Sigs, SW, Canik, CZ, Staccato, and a crap load of other pistols. The guys complaining about the web of their hands hurting are soft AF! The new gen with its modular grip, talon customizable, possible steel grip make it even better. Of course they still make the gen 1 grip mod if you fancy that. IMO the gun is a sleeper, and I bet the people that actually shoot it before judging it will see it’s many benefits, and come to love as I do.
Also I would like to add that the metal trigger is very good too. I put it just behind the Walther & Canik in the striker pistols. Conveniently it fits in all my SW M&P holsters including Safariland, Teir one, and TRex.
He's got soft hands brother. Soft hands
awesome, was gonna ask what duty holster it would fit in.
2024 is going to be the year of the combat grip frame change.
LOL harsh take
Hahaha bruh that hurts and funny cause it's true😂😂😂
@@LIONTAMER3D how so
I can't believe no one else has done this yet. Such a great idea IMO. I love the idea
@Lotvk like were all going to drop what we're doing & jump on this boat lol, great gun nonetheless
expected a high pricepoint but dayum they $900 is not bad.
I shot this gun recently. It is FLAT and smooth. I love it.
I was going to complain the gun only took 15 and 18 round mags, but the fact that it can be "subcompact", compact, and "full size" is incredible.
No way I can afford it, but it's actual innovation on a unique gun.
They will go on sale eventually, they will be used in gun counters. They are too weird for a lot of people.
Sig and springfield armory ( the croatian import if i'm not mistaken) have same the design where by the trigger is the registered part thus you can swap out your frames to build to your needs.
Now i'm pretty sure sig came up with the design and then everyone else copied it......
Found them yesterday in my area for 850. Anyway, I would pay the 1050. This gun has too many good things, passed big youtubers torture tests, etc. Found several holster makers now as well as a shop that does trigger kits.
@@danj285 No, Steyr came up with it.
@@danj285 archon/arsenal released before the sig.
That has been on my list for years im glad its back
I have the new gen one, absolute love it. Kinda wish i waited for the optic cut/ threaded barrel version though. Aside from that, flawless pistol. Feels amazing, shoots amazing, and the flared magwell makes sub 2 second reloads easier than over 2 second reloads
They do make it with an optics cut on ptr website
@2:45 👋
That ironic front slide cut was always begging for an optic cut. Im glad they've included it
I have a gen 2 & love it. Cant wait for the steel grip
Wow. Hop washed his hair. Neat pistol
I been wanting a type b good to see this
Great interview.
A steel frame?! Now you got me excited. My gen already has almost no recoil at all, been doing uspsa with it, a steel frame plus comp would be just plain nasty. Hope they have some mag extensions coming as well for both carry optic and open divisions
Like a moth to flames. Hop is drawn to PTR products
Of all the iterations of this pistol I think this one has my favorite grip texture. The OG one was cool too
Russian Randy Couture knows his stuff.
I have a gen 1 type b and its great. Gonna get the slide cut for a red dot.
A lot more interesting than the daniel h9
Looks cool. Would like to see more on this suppressed. I am interested as I hate boosters.
Type D when?
It is cool these are made in Czech republic now :) I wish Archon would answer their Emails then I would definitely buy one...
Probably the only striker-fired gun I'm interested in.
i had the original and sold it because no optic cut and the fin in the back and checkered texture were awful. this update looks nice
What is the difference between the Archon type 2 full size and the strike one speed offered by American precision Firearms in Miami. BTW in the background at beginning of video saw the Rain6 guy. Maybe he can comment on the differences of these two pistols.
I think the APF one is the Italian produced one with slightly different specs, this is the Czech one witha redesigned frame. You would have to consult forums for full details lol
Is this a copy of a high end gun? Why does that dip in the slide look so familiar? Reminds me of something I wanted, but can't remember what.
The gen 1 was fairly expensive but nothing crazy. That’s the only other pistol I’ve seen that looks similar as it’s a pretty unique design with the cut in the slide
You are thinking of Arsenal Strike One .. I dont understand their company history, as Arsenal is now branded as Archon afaik
Ok the thought of this thing with a steel grip frame is very appealing I'm just wondering how the trigger is
You should’ve asked how much the magazines are!
Cool pistol 😎 🤔... wonder if spare parts will be available.
I had nameless armament mill my Gen 1 for a 507k. Awesome setup
looks nice, id get one
I wanted to buy the Gen 1, messaged every dealer they had within 100 miles, I think there were like 18? not a single one ever got back to me, to this day I've never been able to buy one lol
Iron Horse Firearms & Rain6 to purchase with upgrade package. PTR website has them too
does this mean i will finally be able to get an Archon???? ive wanted one an been searching for so long.
What is this the third or fourth company to import these?
We need a full run down on this handgun, performance review, and testing vid.
Cool! Imma big fan of PTR and Archon. Noice jacket btw Hop, Kuhl I believe?
I didn’t know John Fetterman worked for Archon.
💪EXCELLENT 👍
Haven’t they tried to release this gun like 347,000 times and a bazillion different companies? I would love to buy one but cannot until I am sure the company and the gun will survive more than a year.
This lesbian is one of the best interviewers on TH-cam
I agree.
OMG … bought peed my pants laughing!!! 🤣😂
Forgot to paint on the remainder of 'her' (pronouns) eyebrows like all the models do. TFBTV leads the way in diverse hiring. They should be safe from the progressive mobs.
😂😂😂😂
This looks to have nearly the same bore axis as the Hudson
Let us known when they put an ambi slide stop on it, its 2024.
I would say - if you already bought it - deal with all the issues the gun has and improve what you can - if you're thinking about buying it - I don't recommend - reasons why? well, I bought it last year in October and since then I had 2 times a situation where I could not drop the mag - mag release has issues, Archon firearms knows about it - I had my mag release replaced already once and shit continues to create issues... now gave it to a gunsmith and waiting for some good news... Mags are expensive but you can buy one from CZ 75 - change the base pad and will work but costs half price ... Gun overall is nice, holds nice, shoot nice, you can feel it's a premium product but then you discover that it's a niche product and even though Archon Firearms says that many companies will bring stuff that will work with this gun - holsters etc(safari land, Alien gear etc) - bullshit... there's nothing or just basic stuff..
It wasn’t discussed in the video but the awesome guys at Archon showed me a few other new models coming out. I am very excited for them and hopefully everyone will be as well.
What are the new models?
New models of the type b or as in new gun?
Cool gun. I expect DD is gonna buy it and say they built it from the ground up too lol
They did completely redesign the Hudson H9 though because it was originally a PoS. Only one part was kept, everything else was redesigned. I don’t think Archon is going under anytime soon like Hudson lol
@@Berserkable so an AR company took a gun that didn't work, used their years of experience with handguns to completely redesign everything about it, and now its good? I bet at the very least it pulls out ur mustache hairs.
This pistol checks all but two boxes for me - a 1911 grip angle and a trigger on par with a Canik or Walther. For me, the trigger is a deal breaker. Just wish hammer fired triggers were more plentiful.
Optional steel frame piqued my interest. I'd be very excited to see a steel framed striker gun that actually has a low bore axis, for
I’m disappointed with Daniel not keeping the H9 steel-framed for the same reason.
lol "i was interested in steel, but was shocked to discover that steel is really heavy"
@@allunavaliable most steel frame competition oriented guns are in the 40-49oz range. 59oz with an unloaded mag is the cap for USPSA carry optics. If this gun is 57oz, the mag and extension to reach 141.25m/23+1 capacity would likely put it over the weight limit.
I was shocked when I heard 57 oz as well! That doesn't sound quite right considering the footprint/size. 1620 has almost got to be with optic (sro sized) and 170mm magazine, right? No way they would screw that up on launch.
@allunavaliable
Heavy yes...but 57 oz? Even with brass grips, it pretty tough to get a steel frame cz or tangfo to that weight.
I'm inclined to believe he misspoke...maybe 57oz with sro, and uspsa length magazine with baseplate.
If it was a reasonable price I'd buy one but for a $1000 I'll buy 2 of a handful of proven guns
It’s the James Reeves we have at home.
Nobody knows anything about this pistol because the company just assumes everyone knows the pistol's mechanics already. Their website doesn't even seem to show the best feature. Why?
If they would lose that divot on the front of the slide I would be all in.
That's one of the reasons I like. But now they are making models without it, check their you tube.
Using a red dot directly mounted to a slide with a silencer is a horrible experience. Half your can is chilling in the window of your dot.
Why are you using a can on a pistol? I don’t understand the appeal. If home defense why not a sub gun or rifle, and other than the range what’s the use case?
.........I'm watching with my metric calculators open in another browser. But it sounds good?
900 dollars 😂 you gotta be kidding me.
Wow, looks a lot like a CZP10. Kinda want now. Actually, nvm at that price...
DOA with that price
Looks like a Bergman mechanism. Isn't it?
Type 94 Nambu is what I compare it to, but the locking piece sits around the barrel like a U rather than only under it
Yes and no. While there's a rising block, like in the Bergmann-Bayard, the entire setup is more similar to a classic Browning tilting barrel action, where the tilting part had been separated from the barrel, so it's now a rising bloc.
The designer, Nicola Bandini, did the same with the rotating barrel action (Steyr M1912, Beretta PX4), separating the rotating part from the barrel, with his new pistol, the new Decima Rapax.
You had me until they mentioned the $900 price tag for a polymer pistol without any wide scale deployment and little proven track record. Then again its PTR and they charge a premium for a MP5 clone.
This isn't a Glock clone. It has a proprietary action. Plus for 900 you also can reconfigure the grip. So I wouldn't call it a bad deal at all
@@AB1138- I didn’t say it was a Glock clone. All I said was that PTR makes a HK MP5 which they charge a premium for.
@@Quality_Guru you said $900 for a polymer pistol from a company that is known to charge premiums. I was trying to point out this is more than a polymer pistol. Look at the trigger for example.
How about just make a gun, and sale it with the same size mags. Then if someone wants to convert it to a big bulky handle, they can order it like that.
Im liking the gun itself. But I can't get why companies are doing things like that.
I HATE striker fired triggers. Dont matter glock, sig, this one, the mp... they all blow
I wonder if that guy realizes that they have a 0.0% chance of commercial success?
the ACTUAL "glock killer"
But from factory its $1000?
Are there any decent holster options?
@@thenricks5063G-Code has options. Others are online. Stay away from legacy holster co. Or whoever it is who had the bad shipments
@@edmxero2029 Combat grip change tho
I remember the Caracal being the OG "Glock killer"
Just shot the h9 was not impressed
I shot one of the originals and it actually felt snappier than most 9mm. But i did love the grip
I love my gen1 but highly discourage people from buying any more archon since they have none existing customer service. My gun took 2 years of radio silence for them to service and they didn’t give back my mags.
That was a precious operation that got shut down. PTR handles the warranty now
@@AB1138-the last operation already lost my trust, why should we trust this PTR now?
@@gero4415PTR is not Archon. They are an established company, specializing in HK-styled action clones. also Archon has their own factory in Czech Republic. New group of folks. Ive had no problem reaching them.
Now it goes through ptr so likely better but who knows
I have only two questions.
One, when will Hop's testicles drop?
Two, what were they smoking when they decided he had a voice to do media?
Ok, but does the trigger still melt the skin off your finger, tho?
For serious, I've had a Strike One forever and I want these shifty weirdos to succeed, but there's a reason they keep changing company names and distribution partners.
lol no one cares for the modular grip. I prefer the first gen, just wish they offered an optic cut with it. Dpp footprint!
Every time this gun shows up on the US market it costs more. This is not a $1,000 gun.
You can't just import a pistol that doesn't require a booster and not have threaded barrels for sale, that's a good way to flop.
It's better than a glock 19 & has many interchangeable parts with the glock 19, look it up
I think you highly overestimate your use case.
@@LIONTAMER3D Oh I know exactly what it is, but I haven't seen a threaded barrel for sale yet. So it's alienating what I'd say is a decent chunk of their potential market.
@@stug77 Suppressor owners will still buy them anyway, and suppressor use is still a small minority. It'll have no impact besides all the people who weren't gonna buy it anyway bitching at them online. The dude also literally says "the model with a threaded barrel" in the video you tool.
@@stug77they are up on the iron horse website.
I have no idea what the hell this is
A pistol
I had the gen 1. Looks like they still have that awful square piece that chews up the web of your hand. Pass.
I can never understand why they had that
@@poip202 I believe it was claimed to press on a tendon under recoil to automatically tighten your grip? It is easily removed with a bit of dremel work.
The "tendon" isn't an issue for me
Is that the god guns and family boomer video bombing your shot hop?
Neat but not price competitive. Range toy, curiosity, and novelty. Alien gun; Daniel Defense, 2011's, RIA 5.0, etc. Collect them all(for your safe and to show off to friends)! Really going to conceal carry any of them daily and trust your life to them? Go to war guns?
Nothing wrong with LARP guns🤣
not a soldier's gun?
Heck yes I'll be carrying my fullsize pistols that are my best shooters in a SHTF scenario. When else would you use them?
@@MP-ky3hc rather use Glock, M&P, and XD. Some may like HK and Sig.
Nah see y'all forgetting the best toy that's built better than Glock. Here's a hint.......you can yeet it if you run out 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏽♂️
Wtf is ptr?
Can we let the Archon die already?!? How many companies have tried to market this pistol so far?
Looks like an alien Largo clone
Archon came long long before the Largo Alien was even a drawing
Too overpriced for a 15+1 tbh
Meh
Problem with alot of these toys shown at this toy show is that none are really proven, pricey, shtf happens can't just grab a random mag a la Glock and maybe too many moving parts. Plus seems like me to toys. Only a couple interesting ones for sure but not much else at least IMO.....but no one asked🤣👍🏽
If I remember correctly, these are compatible with CZ75 magazines, so mag compatibility shouldn't be an issue. The previous versions have been around for a long time and have a decent reputation for reliability.
Those were not real sentences.
@@DinoNucci- Not a single comprehensive statement was made this day 😂
Shout out to the ones that think the Glock & AR markets are the only ones that exist
"hey guys these new things aren't proven!"
Zzz
wtf is with the cheap crap grip tape....unfortunate
Replace it then! They advise you to do so
The beaver tail BS is a strong NO from me.
They ruined the looks. I liked the old grip
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