I Tried a 92V Battery 🤯 MIND BLOWING
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ย. 2022
- In electric motors, the voltage has a direct influence on motor speed: the higher the voltage, the faster the motor spins. In addition, a higher voltage means less amps have to be sent to the motor for any given power, translating into less heat and an overall better efficiency.
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🤣 No way, overtaking the full blown street bikes on this flyweight looks like you are using a cheat code in a game.
And to add what you said: Since the heat loss is calculated by W(heat) = Restistance * Amps² , any changes you make on the Amps used, change the loss rate quadraticly, so half of the Amps used equals to only a fourth of heat loss remaining.
Attendant de pied ferme l’ultra bee pour enfin me décider et franchir le pas je suis très content qu’on vous ai en France ! Hâte de voir ce que vous allez faire dessus !
Awesome Video! I was also thinking about building a 80V, i don't really get the 60V and insane amp hype. Did you ever consider cells from Molicel like the INR-21700-P42A? The 50S seems like a good choice though :)
P42A is a pure power cell like the Samsung 40T. Quentin tested out those in the previous video to demonstrate that even on the smallest pack they sell it actually doesnt make sense to use power cells ( unless your average ride means climbing a 30% slope straight to the top of a mountain at high speed for 30 minutes )
Thus it make more sense to use 50E cells or in this case 50S cells for the ultimate, even though they are rated at 10A they can easily deliver 30A for a few seconds :)
@@antoninbouyeure1538 Oh nice to know, thanks for the straightup awnser. Will order a 80V if i fail building my own ;)
the 50s is insanely expensive !
Merci pour toutes ces explications, je like comme d'habitude. Bonne continuation
Merci à toi 😊
Extra quentin! Merci pour la vidéo, c'est très bien expliqué !
Content que ça ait pu t'éclairer !
That's so crazy, too much power x weight 😱😱
Hello, incroyable ton bike, mais le moteur d'origine du surron est capable de supporter 90V? Les seuls modifications à faire sont la batterie et le contrôler ?
Tout à fait, le moteur pourrait même prendre plus de Volts sans problème. Ça évite justement d'envoyer trop d'ampères, ce que chauffe et dégrade le moteur.
Hello
What is the size of the 80v battery compare to stock?
Any modifications required to fit the battery in the surron?
The 80V is the same size as stock, so no modification required!
Oh man! Thats the road from St Feliu to Lloret de mar!))) Thats so crazy! I lived there for like 12 years!))
hahaha, you recognised it, the best road on earth right! Donde vives ahora amigo?
Salut Quentin super vidéo de tes tests sur les batteries que tu fabriques.
Mais tu utilises quoi comme moteur et comme contrôleur
Merci bon ride
Salut ! C’est le moteur d’origine et le contrôleur est un Nucular 24F
can you pair BAC 8000 with the 80V 40ah? or whats the best motor to pair with it? thanks im new to this stuff and building one soon
I think bac can handle 90-92v seen it before idk about the surron handling that voltage with over 20kw
@@felixvalvaneda2285 thank you so much
Y-a-t-il une différence entre les cellules INR21700 et INR21700 50S quel est la différence ? Et si je mets une 🔋 80v 45Ah puissance 17kw... avec contrôleur X9000 cela ne craint pas pour la surchauffe du moteur ? Pour une TL 3000?
Hello! En ce qui concerne la surchauffe moteur et contrôleur, les cellules n'auront aucune incidence (un ampère est un ampère, un volt est un volt, quelque soit la source).
Presque toutes nos batteries peuvent sortir 17+kW en pic. Là où les cellules vont chauffer, c'est principalement en utilisation MX car les pics de puissance sont intenses et répétés. Dans la plupart des cas, le surcout des 50S est plutôt overkill sachant qu'elles sont une durée de vie plus faible.
I am building my bike with a 5000w qS motor , I am tore btw 72v70ah molicels or 84v60ah molicells ? What are the advantages of getting 84v instead of 72v ?! … I have always used 72v ?? I will also get a nd84890 fardriver controller
Any input would help 🙏🏿
Always go with the higher voltage that your controller supports. Increased efficiency, higher top speed, only advantages!
that's crazy fast 😲
how much range it can go with that kind of volt?
Depending on the battery size. I get somewhere between 60-70 with my bigger battery (enduro riding).
It's a shame i can't get the battery here in aus sadly
Yeah… I’m working on the export side. Hope to unlock these restrictions soon!
@@MTO_Brothers I currently work at a electric bike/ scooter shop here in aus maybe we could sort something out.
Wouldn't be till around march next year. I'd love to make a video on my channel (not this one) as I've got a surron also.
Do you think it would be compatible with the ko motor/ controller. Waiting for the 45kw controller to drop.
Wow. How much for the 80v? I just ordered the 72v knowing something better will come out…
There's always this fear that something even better is gonna come out (works for cars, phones, you name it!) 😬
It's currently at 2990€, more expensive than our 72V because it comes with the very very best Samsung cells.
@@MTO_Brothers sounds like a good deal
Where you buy the battery
I want to get your mega 80 but im worried that it will melt the supra connector because i want to max the power
The thing is the higher the voltage, the less current for any given power. So you're less likely to overheat the connectors with the Mega 80 than with the Mega 72.
On top of that, our connector is compatible but increases contact patch, thus conductivity by up to 30%, so it won't be an issue 😎
@@MTO_Brothers that's great! It's perfect for what I'm looking for then I'll definitely get it when I get the chance
Hello ! Je suis en train de rechercher ma prochaine batterie. J'ai le controleur Torp TC500. Est-ce que vos batteries 80v sont compatibles avec ce controleur ?
A part la vitesse de pointe et le fait que ca chauffe moins, y a t'il une différence d'accélération ou de reprise entre une 72v et une 80v ?
Hello Joseph! Pour le moment le TORP ne supporte pas plus de 72V donc ça règle la question 😬
Cependant en terme d’accélération tu n’as pas vraiment de différence entre le 72 et le 80. La 72 va s’essouffler un peu plus vite à cause de la VMax plus limite mais c’est principalement ça, avec une chauffe encore réduite en 80V.
@@MTO_Brothers Top merci pour ton retour. Ca va partir sur une 72v alors.
Une idée de quand elle pourront être disponible au Canada ? :D
Je m'en allais acheter une battery 72V, mais maintenant disons que je veux plus rien savoir des 72V ahaha
Mais la batterie une fois complètement recharger, a t'elle un voltage en bas de 98.6V ?
J’essaye d’obtenir une réponse à ça d’ici 10 jours ! Oui 92.4V a pleine charge et 80V nominal. Donc ça passe avec Nucular et Sintech
@@MTO_Brothers formidable ! J'attends de vos réponses très bientôt :D (et j'aurais pris un contrôleur KO motor Factory, donc sa l'aurais juste été parfais 😎)
are you planning an 80v battery but with more amps? best suited to the range? for my needs 25kw are too many :) 15kw at 80v is already good, but it heats less than 72
Not sure as of now to release one as standard but that’s definitely something that we can do for you mate 😉
Que ce que vous pensez d'une batterie qui utilise les cellules LG M50LT : 5000 mah de capacité et un courant de décharge de 14.4 A !? Pour une batterie de 72v 50 ah on pourrait potentiellement sortir 12 kw de puissance ? Est apparemment sur la fiche technique de LG elles auraient un cycle de vie 1000 !
Les LG sont de très bonnes cellules mais pas forcément mieux que les Samsung. Le cycle de vie ça dépend vraiment de la manière dont elles sont stockées et chargées/déchargées.
What sprocket and wheel size were you running?
These were the SM wheels, so 17" and I was using the stock 42T SM sprocket.
Are you using the stock motor and controller with an 80 V battery
I’m using the stock motor but you need a custom controller for anything else than 60V.
Do you make Talaria compatible batteries, just Surron?
Talaria packs are coming!
wow impressive
Salut Quentin la batterie 92v est compatible avec le nucular? car ils mettent max 90v..
Salut, oui oui c’est compatible. Nucular annonce 90V mais dans les réglages tu peux monter jusqu’à 95V ou 100V, donc ça passe tout juste ;)
@@MTO_Brothers merci pour ta reponse, c'est violent en 80? 🙂🙃
@@REDFPV ça pousse fort mais surtout longtemps ! En gros sur le bas et moyen régime c’est comme du 72V, mais l’allonge est incroyable 😃
@@MTO_Brothers c'est vrai quen 72v avec le nucular au bout de 5 sec dacceleration il s'essoufle
What’s the top speed of the bike it’s looks fast !!
Went 120kmh GPS this time ;)
Guyzzzz, I just ordered a 72V on your site and you pull this beast out??😅
72V is already an awesome battery, super good bang for the buck. No worries though I'm pretty sure you won't have any trouble selling your 72V if needed ;)
20s vs 22s mate, no worries I tell you whatever power you need the 72v will output it and the capacity is the same. If you need the extra top speed just loose a couple teeth on the rear sproket ;)
Salut antonin, je vous ai envoyé un message sur le site avec mes coordonnées. Pourriez-vous me rappeler pour me conseiller pour une batterie + contrôleur pour talaria (+connaître la date de disponibilité prévue ?) merci
How do you see around the corners? Pleas be careful you only have one life take care of you wanna keep enjoying riding your bike and others things that are great in life,more volts will always be better 😊
You mena the cut corners? The camera might not make it look like so, but there’s visibility, I’m not suicidal haha
Yeah, the more volts the better, I thought I’d be better, now I know it by experience ☺️
Some points I’d not feel comfortable riding like this but I am not experienced
@@je7647 I usually ride this one by car, so there’s way more room for the bike haha. But now I’m back to 100% off-road 😎
What controller do you use?
I was using a Nucular 24F in this video 😉
Talaria batteries soon?
Yep! We're working on it.
Salut à tu déjà essayer de monter une couronne 30 dents ? Tu pourrais prendre plus de 150 kmh je pense
j'ai jamais essayé mais oui, mathématiquement ça irait, moins de couple mais c'est pas comme si sur la route j'en manquait là.
Can you ship those batteries to the United States?
I'm currently working on that.
Do you notice a difference in torque?
Nope, no perceived difference, but that’s without a surprise. That’s the controller’s role to make the amps and volts fluctuate to match rider’s input.
@@MTO_Brothers I’m totally fine with 60-70 mph on that frame then.
Awesome 🇬🇧
Thanks pal 🙌
Impressive.
Stock motor?
Yes 👍
What motor do you have?
Stock motor mate
@@MTO_Brothers Thanks
@@MTO_Brothers wait so you can go even faster lol
A 0-25kph test or 25 meter, 50 meter and 100meter drag times would’ve been good to see. Would paint a different picture. It’s not a road bike.
You kind of get this if you check the 3 runs as you have the Waze odometer. Although up until 25kmh there won’t be a huge difference. The 3 batteries can deliver 15kw and the controller wasn’t configured to ask more than that. Now, I never ride on the road myself, but a lot of people do. So the bike is a road bike if that’s what you use it for…
lovely work, please just behave like a motorcycle if you’re going to ride like one, i.e; stay in your lane and don’t pass on corners!
Sorry mate if it seemed dangerous. I'm driving on this road the same way I do with my car… Unless in a blind turn, if the lines are not continuous, it's supposed to be all good to cross them 🤷♂
Anyways, I'm not wise enough to ride on the road so that was an exception!
@@MTO_Brothers all good, i’ve just seen too many people get splattered due to circumstances outside of their control. riding is inherently dangerous so why not mitigate extra risks when we are able to. stay safe brother
I am building my bike with a 5000w qS motor , I am tore btw 72v70ah molicels or 84v60ah molicells ? What are the advantages of getting 84v instead of 72v ?! … I have always used 72v ?? I will also get a nd84890 fardriver controller
Any input would help 🙏🏿
Go high voltage. Everything will be more efficient and you'll get higher top speed. Always go the higher voltage that your controller supports!
84 60 for sure 🔥 🙏👌🔋
@@MTO_Brothers I ended up going with 84v and fardriver controller 84680 but this thing pulls so much from my battery … I am running 350 line and 680 phase and my can discharge 900A and 450a DC max
It pulls so much juice, I mean I am still able to get 70miles 50% chill mode 50% aggressive 😭
@@ianmangham4570 did that but my fardriver pulls so much, I wonder if I lower the line amps to 150-170line I would get much more range and still hit 70mph 😭
@@rolandroland1485 Of course, less amps you pull way more range, its all about WEIGHT/POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO.