@@hiufgterdeprecies, laat die jaloerse hebberige tokkies alsjeblieft aan die kant van het water blijven (soort van net als in Brazilië 😅) Wat een etterzakken zijn die gasten gebleken afgelopen seizoen zeg… Pas zodra hun bevooroordeelde mening ze in de problemen leek te brengen konden ze plotseling wel praten over het talent en de prestatie van de wagen met nummer 1 erop. Max Verstappen heeft die prestaties neergezet samen met Red Bull Racing. En de interne strijd die zich daar afspeelt is niet te herleiden naar Max of Jos, maar des te meer naar Christian Horney. Lekker aan die kant van de poel blijven idd!
You’re getting really annoying. I mean, ads are fine. But when you have ad breaks and then bury ads in the editorial content as well (even worse on the podcast) it‘s a bit much.
@@theoneandonlybosable and Ocon's lock up had nothing, zero, nada to do with the accident. So why is it even mentioned, unless to make a false implication?
i think the point is that he was going to overshoot that corner no matter what. If he would have had it under control he wouldnt have hit Nico in the spin out.
@@41Nizmo the only problem with your hypothesis is that absolutely none of what you just described actually happened. Nico spun into Esteban who was pitched into Franco.
Germany 2019 Spain 2022 Qatar 2024 Three times he has said it I can sympathise when it really isn't going well at the time But in particularly his Spain 2022 race, it was a good job he didn't He wears his heart on his sleeve, which you cannot really knock him for Albeit I think that has worked against him this year as he has got himself in a very negative spiral in a car that doesn't suit him, while his teammate is able to consistently outpace him in qualifying A winter break is much needed for Lewis. Hopefully he comes back rejuvenated, unawise he may be up for a repeat against Charles next year, in an unknown environment that has the car developed more down the Monaco driver's preferences.
yeah even in races that ended up being one of his most iconic. It's as if people just simply can't remember stuff happening more than 10minutes ago I mean we are able to hear his team radio and then he pulls up on the podium trying to sell the "never give up" narrative....unfortunately so many blokes are buying it
No, Lewis has ALWAYS been like this, even at the peak of his powers, when he was almost unbeatable, if things started to go against him, he'd complain to the pit wall that they should park the car and retire. This is not new, don't pretend like it is.
Agreed, it's kinda crazy to even frame it the way they did. I fact Hamilton is the only person on the grid that I can think of that has said this at all, and he's done it on multiple occasions.
I remember he wanted to park once in 2022 (I think) because he was stuck behind a slow car. The most decorated driver with the most decorated team (in recent times) wanted to give up because he couldn’t fight for P19 against the slowest team driven by the slowest driver. He was forced to continue and he finished P5 because the car always had speed
@@sajjadhashmani4064mazepin didn't even drive in 22 dawg. When the car performs it's the car has speed but when it doesn't it's Lewis's fault to you?
I'm not a big Ocon fan, but he wasn't responsible for the turn one exit. Hülkenberg blocks his front tire and slides into Ocon, who no longer has a chance between Hülkenberg and Colapinto
I actually did like ocon when he first came in with Manor in Belgium. Mostly because of his underdog story and humble upbringing (which is why I was a lewis fan from day one) but over the years the dude has gotten insufferable with no real skill to back it up. I thought after his year out he would change but nooooo, he’s worse and way more unlikable. Haas is wasting a seat
If Hamiltons not competing for a WDC, a win or at the very least a podium he just isn’t as motivated. The guy feeds on success and is a monster but when he’s not fighting for something substantial he isn’t as focused. Also Mercedes giving George preferential treatment and the upgrades first can’t be helping.
You mean Hulkenburg lost the rear into turn 1 and clattered into Ocon who then clattered into Franco A lot of baseless assumptions and journalist projecting here
Could you imagine Schumacher doing that and saying all this shit about his team. Absolutely classless. That's why Ham will never be considered one of the greats... acting like a spoiled brat (throughout his entire career, actually).
Say what you want, Lewis’s worst ever season in his career before Qatar was 9 points behind his teammate who’s having his best ever season in his career.
@@karl8805 all it took was some old fashioned preferential treatment, well done georgy! And when he gets outshined by an 18 year old next year, George fans will have nowhere left to go.
That mid video ad integration was extremely jarring and really broke up the flow of the video. Please reconsider the placement in the future. It would be much more appropriate to put it at the beginning or end of the video.
Just seems Lewis is mentally checked out at Mercedes , even hinted at it in a interview earlier in the weekend saying he can’t wait for the season to end . Genuinely just hope with a fresh start and hopefully a more balanced car we get to see Lewis back to his best again
Geez.... race goes Red Top again. Ocon wasn't forced out, he was given an to option to exit so he could do the HAAS test on Tuesday. Hamilton has a really good way of highlighting "poor me", he's done it for years and years..... just think of his tyre cries to Bono.
never give up Hamilton ?? SERIOUSLY ??? We've seen this many times in the last couple of years, when the car is not a front runner anymore and outside top 10, he starts whining about how bad the car is and how they should just retire the car and save the engine.. Since this is Hamilton , BRIT medias ignore or doesn't take this into discussion; if it was someone like Alonso or Max, it would've been a different scenario.. SO STOP BUTTERING UP...
when Maxi spent the whole race crying in Hungary and being disrespectful AF you fangirls keep defending him. But If Lewis did the same you would be crying about in the comments. Stop being g a pathetic hypocrite.
@@GameOver-nm2us with that same logic, why would he finish a race if hes out if the top 7? Who cares about 4 points right? Maybe because he gets paid a couple of milion to drive a car around in circles and the least he could do is finish the races, like a professional.
Long time Hamilton fan here. It looks to me he wants to leave immediately. Rolling at the start. Speeding in the pit lane. Poor qualifying in Q3 when the car is obviously faster. What the hell is going on at Mercedes?
Lewis doesn’t have the intel George has anymore. The car is being developed around George’s inputs predominantly (and have been since the beginning of the season likely). That’s not sabotaging mind you. That’s just facts. When a driver is leaving the team to a direct competitor, the team will restrict data presented to the driver that’s leaving because any data the driver has going to the other team can be used as reference data by the competition. You’ll note that Lewis has been complaining about not getting the right info about tire warm up. Likely he’s been guessing for some time what to do, which is likely why his pace seems to improve over a race distance as he gets more of a feeling in the car and identifies the optimal feel to put into the car.
Maggnuson, dropped from Hass, no drive next year. But still raced and fought for points. That's the true spirit of a Racing Driver. Not whinging because it's not going his way.
@@philipbarton3456 Yeah he just doesn't have the support of the team anymore and it's just compounding on top of his struggles with the car. All of those things + not fighting for anything at the end of the season + Ferrari waiting next year results in what we see now. It's really sad to see this partnership end this way but I have faith he can bounce back at Ferrari. I think he needed a fresh environment anyway.
It's related to Danny Ric for sure. These ground effect cars are very strange and a lot of the old guard drivers are struggling with it. Ultimately they can't attack the slow/medium corners like they want to with their driving styles and what they know from the past. Danny Ric, Seb Vettel, and Lewis have all struggled more than not.
@@tarunthomas3821 I think Alonso is doing well because of his bizarre, extreme understeer preference. He never liked a car with a very strong front, and so he's doing fine in these heavy boats because they aren't really agile and sort of behave like his old understeery cars. Like you said, the only problem is he's driving a shitbox
Gasly / Ocon were very evenly matched up until the last few weekends. with constructors money up for grabs, i cant imagine them intentionally trying to sabotage Ocon.
For people that think ocon didn't derserve an f1 seat, he just done top 3 result of alpine renault since 10 years 1 top 1 2 top 2 while he had alonso , gasly and ricciardo as teamate so all race winner or championship winner , you are delusional
Why does everyone dislike Ocon? I never followed him through his career. Last interesting thing i kind of learned about him is he's probably the only not rich parents driver left aside from Hamilton. Is it his personality that everyone seems to dislike or how he races or what? i can't say i've noticed anything too out of the ordinary from his races in F1
From what I hear, he's a very nice guy outside the car, but his driving style is extra aggressive especially towards his teammates, which is never seen as a good thing from the team perspective, and also, maybe he's just a weird guy cause sometimes he has such weird comments in the press. Also he's best friends with Stroll that already says something😂
@@IamHailey8 I like Ocon for being that aggressive. Drivers like him make the sport interesting. Since Alonso in renault, Ocon gave them their first win in a long time. Dude is capable that's for sure. It's just that he's a bit too aggressive at times. Like some of his moves on track are super boneheaded. Prime example this year was the Monaco incident. I know he saw a gap, but that was not the right move, yet he still went for it. Check out his Racing Point and Force India days, and his incidents are always with his teammates. He's always equally fast as them. It feels like he enjoys the challenge of having a tough teammate, and pushes it too far. With Pierre, there haven't been many incidents except monaco and australia, but there is a pattern in his driving that influences this need to prove himself. I hope in Haas he takes the role of the lead driver to guide a rookie, instead of yeeting into him every chance he gets. Regardless, I still like him as a driver. When given a decent car, he has shown good potential.
Saying that Hamilton wanting to retire a healthy car is a surprise or 'out of character' is actually not true. He's done this before and as I've noted before he's the only driver I can recall ever doing this. Multiple times in his career, if things go wrong, he simply wants to retire the car.
it's not that simple. that advantage disappeared in 2018, Lewis's best year, and he continued to win races and championships and continued to dominate, even in there non championship winning year 2021 they were one of the best when it came to chassis and aero, if not the outright best chassis. Their wind tunnel isn't built around these cars, so what they see there doesn't necessarily correlate with what actually happens on track, their computer simulators don't help either. The team just still doesn't understand this ground effect concept, and Lewis refuses to change his driving style as it clearly works in the races, but not quali. it's never as simple as "The engine is not Godly anymore" and if you have any basic knowledge of this team you'd know one of the reasons they were so dominant in 14-16 was because of how the engine department and the chassis department cooperated. If you don't believe me, look at 2020; Mercedes: Greatest car of all time, Mercedes engine - Williams: Worst car of that year, Mercedes engine.
@@GameOver-nm2us Honda were 40HP behind in 2021. They were still restricted by the sh*tty tokens then got a window for 2022 upgrade. Suddenly Lewis can't compete.
@@GameOver-nm2us Red Bull still had a slight edge in chassis/aero stuff compared to Mercedes in 2021, but the Merc engine was better. And I wouldn't read too much into Williams being that bad in 2020 and then conclude that the Merc engine wasn't that good. Yes, it wasn't as op as in the early turbo hybrid era, but of course at least in theory the engine will be the best fitting to the chassis for the main team, why would Mercedes supply engines to other teams to only make the customers faster than themselves? Williams was running on such a shoe-string budget at that point that no engine would have saved their 2020 season. I do agree on your take about Hamilton: he excelled even when Merc briefly lost their engine dominance, but he clearly has an issue with adapting to the ground effect cars.
@patepulkkinenvtec2403 McLaren are on their way to win the constructors championship (the championship the shows the actual best car) with the Mercedes engine, the argument that Williams weren't as good because the engine didn't fit their chassis is not right. In 2021, Mercedes didn't have an edge in the engine department, but more so the fact that the car was better in the straights because of their aero package. But in my opinion, when it came to corners, Mercedes and Redbull were neck and neck, sometimes the Redbull was better in more bumpy tight street circuites, but then Mercedes bit back with traditional smooth sailing tracks with long straights. Sure, yea, Mercedes does design their engine around their chassis and vice versa as I mentioned, it was the biggest reason for their huge success in the mid 2010's, but as we can clearly see now it has little effect when the team knows how to build a car.
At this stage, it is logical to assume that Merc will be using Hamilton to experiment. And it may have started doing so a few races ago once it realised that it’s championship position was fixed. There is nothing unethical with that decision, though it is naturally frustrating for Lewis and his fans. The next couple of years will make it clear whether he is actually past his peak.
Yeah yeah, every time when Lewis is struggling, it's because he is 'experimenting', this story is getting so old. I wonder what experiment he will be having when he gets beaten by Charles.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403That shouldn't affect his legacy. As an older Schumi was beaten by Rosberg and still he's considered GOAT. Ferrari is a long standing Merc rival. There's no way they will give Lewis information or let him be privy to key data that could help him as he could take that to Ferrari. Lewis came out and said it himself he wont be out qualifying George very early in the season.
@@MojoMachin3 I am not discrediting Hamilton's legacy by any means. He had some brilliant seasons, just like Schumi had. And yes, Michael wasn't the same in his comeback. However, a great legacy shouldn't be an excuse for underperforming, and Lewis absolutely has underperformed recently.
Russell has been showing that the car is competitive, just not in Hamilton's hands. Simple as that. It is not just one race or two, lucky moves, whatever. That 8 to 1 is pretty telling. And if the excuse is "but they are now listening more to George for car development" then they were probably listening more to Lewis for the most part of this season before he announced his departure no? And yet George is ahead by 24 points. I think Ferrari is not going to be very happy with this new hire next season...
I hate the guy, but it’s clear Alpine completely stopped supporting Ocon after Monaco. He was up 5-1 in quali. After 🇲🇨 PG’s magically ahead 90% of the time.
There are drivers who can adapt to the development of these cars. We'll see next year if by moving to other teams helps them, but thus far is clear that Ocon, Perez and Hamilton just can't adapt to these cars like other experienced drivers can.
I actually do believe icon's car could be purposely slower. Gasly has been on fire for sure, but the drama that existed required a solution, and would've gotten overly competitive. I just don't think you can be certain the team pushing a driver out is not favoring the driver staying. In fact keeping certain upgrades off ocon's car is a very strong way to determine the value of all potential upgrades
I remember in 2022 when Lewis got beaten by Russell, even tho we knew that he was carrying experimental setups, people were quick to say that he was washed up and finished. Then we got into the 2023 season and he wiped the floor with George finishing P3 with the 4th-3rd best car while George finished P8. Since he announced that he is leaving at the beginning if the season, he suddenly doesn't know how to drive anymore and is being dominated by Russell and nobody finds it weird ? And the same goes for Ocon, before announcing he was leaving, he was never being dominated like that by Gasly.
"Then we got into the 2023 season and he wiped the floor with George finishing P3 with the 4th-3rd best car while George finished P8" The points gap was explained by just four races, one of which was a mechanical DNF where Hamilton lucked into 2nd. Ferrari had a lot of bad luck in 2023, that flattered Merc, and this year they got exposed. You're also implying that Russell couldn't have improved from last year to this, despite him making a lot of unnecessary mistakes last year. The Spa DSQ makes it look close, but the points gap should have been bigger. Hamilton has mentally checked out, just as he did at McLaren. And Mercedes are focusing the updates on Russell. Mystery solved.
@@Ruylopez778Look at the statistics, he beat George comfortably on every measure aside from qualifying. So yes, he wiped the floor with him. Agreed that he’s now mentally checked out, but it’s not looking good for Mercedes if their outgoing driver is only a handful points behind the driver who should be leading the team next year. Granted George has had a few DNFs, but I’d have expected him to be miles ahead given the differences in performance and Mercedes naturally withholding info from Lewis.
@@clintblacktiger8229 "u do know that LH got dsq in Austin in 23 right ?" Yeah, why would I not know that? "Without that +20 for Lewis in comparison to George 😂" Russell would have finished 7th if LEC and HAM hadn't been DSQ'd. 7th is 6pts. 2nd is 18pts. So the DSQ of both drivers cost Hamilton 12pts. With Russell promoted to 6th, he gained 10pts back on Hamilton. Hamilton gained more points on Russell from 4 rounds that he did for the rest of the entire season. Hamilton made mistakes in '23 also, just not in races where Russell was also on the podium. AUS +18, CAN +15 and SIN +15 were the biggest points swings for Hamilton. Australia was an engine failure for Russell, and Singapore was a last lap mistake where he was ahead of Hamilton. Russell made a couple of costly mistakes, but just looking at the points gap and pretending Hamilton was a lot better is silly. 30% of that points gap is down to Australia. People are comparing '23 to '24 and pretending it proves that the cars aren't equal anymore. That's a dishonest conclusion based on a misrepresentation of 2023.
@@AnonymousMC17 "So yes, he wiped the floor with him" By my math, not counting Sprints or FL, Hamilton made 46pts over Russell from 11 races. Then he made 56pts over him from 4 races (one where Russell had an engine failure, and one where Russell made a mistake on final lap while ahead of Hamilton, which accounts for 55% of the points gap at the end of the season). Russell's biiggest gains over Hamilton were QAT (Hamilton's own error), USA (DSQ) and ABU totalling 35pts. "but it’s not looking good for Mercedes if their outgoing driver is only a handful points behind the driver who should be leading the team next year." You mean including Hamilton's 25pts at Spa where Russell was DSQ'd? You're not really comparing performance, because the points are skewed by context. You've no idea what is being "held back" from Hamilton. That's purely speculation on your part that Hamilton should be automatically ahead in equal cars.
I have a feeling we’re gonna see ocon with haas for one season and then retiring. The now seemingly Japanese philosophy of respect that’s within that team that’s earning it the results because of a team actually working in harmony is NOT going to click with ocon.
I actually are thinking of a surprisingly good season for Ocon, like imagine he gets a Podium finish in that car, it would turn his career around per say, maybe not that much, but im actually expecting Ocon to put in a good shift
I suspect that telemetry data and optimal setup sharing for ocon and Hamilton, due to them leaving and teams wanting to boost the confidence if their remaining drivers, isnt shared both ways the last half of the season.
Alpines claims are delusional. Ocon didnt suddenly lose a second to gasly, who he has generally been slightly quicker than during their time together. Esteban might be an arsehole, but that doesnt excuse how alpine have treated him this year
Ocon's lack of pace is due to the car. Let's be honest here. And i don't really like him that much. Merc want to defeat Hamilton mentally before he join their competitor.
I really enjoy videos on this channel normally but this one is full of errors. Ocon definitely didn’t cause the crash, he did lock up but was already in the firing line from Nico. Hamilton has always moaned, he has wanted to retire the car even from positions like 11th after a heavy penalty or something silly. This video feels a bit tabloid and distant from the typical fact based videos you normally do.
You really think this will end for Hamilton after he leaves Mercedes? The second that Leclerc starts cooking him, which I have no doubt he will, Hamilton will go back to all this whining and complaining.
Why are you pretending it's unthinkable that Hamilton wanted to give up?? Do you guys even watch Formula 1? There's been a number of occasions in the past where something hasn't gone his way and he's wanted to retire the car. Spain 2022 is a recent example, and I seem to remember him doing the same in 2012. Just because he peddles the line "never give up", doesn't mean he actually embodies it
@@ascended17Mate, you better prepare yourself for Lewis to be exactly the middle fiddle you were talking about. If things continue this way for him, he is gonna be eaten alive by Charles.
@patepulkkinenvtec2403 bro, not even a fam of the guy. But he does have 7 stars, snd you know who else has 7 stars? The Red Baron🧨🥇🏆🔥. So, in case you know, the face will Hamilton, but lecrec can play barrichello
Hamiltons attitude wanting to park the car because it wasnt going his way was such a discrace. Mercedes should not have told him to stay out but told Antonelli to suit up and inform Hamilton when he got out of the car that he was done with Mercedes.
Accusing Mercedes of sabotaging Hamilton is ridiculous. No matter what you think of Mercedes, whether you’re a fan or not, Hamilton won 6 WDC with Mercedes (7 if you count the McLaren-Mercedes in 2008) and 8 WCC. Never would they treat Hamilton like that
It's not that simple. Fundamentally, it's still a competitive sport. And one thing that is super common when you know one of your driver's is leaving for one of your rivals, is to start holding back information, letting you participate less often in debriefings and development discussions, etc. All because you'd be giving too much info to the rival team indirectly. These things automatically cause you as a team to develop the car towards the driver whose comments will be relevant beyond the next few months. Is it fair, no. Is it malicious or favoritism? Also no. It's business and competition. Toto may be Lewis' friend, but he's also a CEO and Team Principal that needs to start delivering again in a time of general slump for the team since the days of dominance. Also, as a team, it's really hard to feel motivated to put 1000% effort into someone who is clearly checked out and demotivated by the state of things at the team in relation to him. The primary job of a lead driver, is to race like hell, but also to lead and be a figure that can motivate the team. Lewis has always been great at that. But realistically, he's no longer that leader. Russell is, because Kimi cannot be. And we're seeing Russel changing amidst all this. His attitude, bravado, aggression, and confidence in his statements are all increased now. Will this result in him being a good leader? I'm not so sure, but only time will tell. But Lewis is certainly not the leader anymore. And that also has a big impact. We're not talking about people who sit back and once in a while hear the words of their leader like in a corporate office. We're talking about day in, day out. And it doesn't matter who you like. You listen to the one that is in the position that you have to listen to. Hopefully, you like them, and the result is then a good working relationship.
Mercedes paying Hamilton 50mil and sabotage him is a ridiculous idea.. only The Race can think about this.. what do you expect from branch of Hamilton fan from The Race to critize his driving skill? When win, he got skill, when lose, is team fault. What a hypocrite channel
@@swl0323 Exactly. Mercedes obviously wants the best results possible. One driver fighting for wins and podiums, and another driving around in the midfield, begging to retire the car, makes them as a team and brand look bad. Bottas never acted like this.
I've noticed signs of Paranoia in Hamilton over the years, especially against Rosberg. When everythings going well he's fine but adversity brings out dark thoughts.
I agree. Like I get it to an extent, he is someone who is going to get frustrated with the 4th best car, but wouldn't it have been nicer if he said "Ok this is not going to improve this year, I've been with this team for 10 years lets just enjoy the sendoff and take the good races when they come" Although that could be what is happening behind closed doors.
What makes the likes of Senna, Schumacher, Alonso and Verstappen the best I have ever seen is their ability to adapt to any car. This attribute is what makes these drivers all time greats. If Lewis wants to be considered in this category, he needs to learn to adapt as well. Ever since 2021 when he hasn't had a superior car, he has failed to beat Max and Russel because he hasn't adapted. He only has himself to blame, not the team or the car. And next year, sorry to say, it won't be any different. He will have to adapt or LeClerc will yet another teammate regularly beating him.
Well, no. Senna, Schumacher, Alonso and Verstappen also are faster when the car suits them. Just look at how Verstappen started 2022 struggling and just matching Perez. You can see the same thing for the others. Maybe except Alonso. But even then, he didn't won titles in those shitty Ferraris he was racing with, because even overdriving a bad car has a limit.
@ did they whining and give up like Hamilton? He drove only 4th fastest car and want to give up? How many times he want to give up in races? How he think about all the driver driving in the car slower than him? Did you see Albon give up? Did you see Alonso give up? Did you see Michael give up? Did u see Senna give up? A driver who never drive a car lower than 4th fastest do not have any qualification to say he is a best driver. He just cannot perform well in a 4th fastest car.. did you see Michael outperform in a slow Benetton? Did you see Vettel and Max outperform in a Torro Rosso? Did you see Leclerc outperformed in a Alfa Romeo? Did you see Senna outperform a slow William? Did you see alonso outperformed a slow Renault? Did you see Russell outperformed a William in qualifying? How about Hamilton? None of a good example he show that he can outperform a shitty car.. this show how amateur he is.. he is 7times world champion.. im laughing about that 😂😂😂😂
Damn. Lewis has been driving for 18 fucking years. Do you really think he couldn't adapt to the new regulation? Are you all delusional? Yeah he got a drought during the past 3 years and maybe his time is over. But to say he can't adapt to a new car is blasphemy.
@ Hamilton cannot even outscore his average teamate Russell is the best prove that he did not have the ability to adapt the car.. still dare to say he is at F1 for 18years.. if he win 6times world car champion in the same team and in the end you lose to an average teammate who only win 3GP while u only win 2 during 3years and 1-2 lose to an average teammate have proven you are useless.. still dare to receive 50mil and call himself GOAT? Im laughing hard on that 😂😂😂
So LH signs a new deal then before the ink is dry on the contract tells the team that he is not going to honour the deal and is now complaining that the team have placed all their eggs in the other drivers basket? Outstanding!
Not going to honour a deal? His contract was a 1+1, both Mercedes and Lewis could denounce the contract under specific conditions for 2025, that's what Lewis did.
@@cantrait7311 wtf are you talking about m8. Ferrari ALWAYS goes for experience and never youth literally the onlye exception was leclerc. Lewis really lives rent free in some of yalls mind jesus...
Sir George Russel with 0 WDCs seems to get on with it just fine. I used to think the Lec V Ham battle next year would be close, but these days im doubtful
I could be wrong but I feel like a 1 year deal was discussed. Either way, Toto doesn't want to give Lewis' replacement more than one year because they want Antonelli in F1 by 2026 and don't have any other option. And Alonso doesn't want a 1 year contract because he wants to go on for longer than that, and his options would be very limited if any were available.
Alonso is a potential race winner and a great driver, but with someone as young and good as russell, you can potentially get like 10 years out of him. Thats not happening with alonso, and he's not cheap. So it doesn't make sense to pay someone that amount of money for a year.
I mean Toto saying Lewis has a shelf life and they needed to think about ditching him for a younger model must have gone down really well. Then in Vegas, George drove a race that was "out of this world" (pole to win with virtually no challenge) whereas Lewis' race wasn't bad (tenth to second), according to Toto.
I will understand this video, if their teammates have been outperformiing in qualy all the time. But it is happening in their final years at their teams. Ocon was outperforming Gasly at the beginning of the year before the Monaco incident and his move to Haas. Lewis had outqualified George in 2022, tied with him in 2023. And the year he is losing comprehensively to George is coincidentally the year Lewis is leaving the team. The other side of their garage have been given more resources to extract performance from their cars , so it is not paranoia. It is not the first time Lewis had wanted to give up in a race. Germany 19, Spain 22, yesterday. He still continued, so it is not unheard of ..
I don’t understand why the teams hide it or why people find it objectionable that it happens. Why would a team invest as much in an asset they’re losing as they would in one they aren’t? Of course some drivers are given favoritism within teams. Usually, there’s a good reason for it. To claim russel is better now cuz he’s got more support within the team is to also admit he was lacking to Lewis before because Lewis had that same preferential treatment. Same can be said for the Ocon gasly situation.
I would suggest Hamilton has never been in the position of not being top dog in his team where everything is tuned to suit his preferences. From a psychological and skill perspective he's struggling with a situation most drivers learn to cope with early in their careers while coping with lesser machinery and lesser reputations. Either Ferrari with put LeClerc on the back burner while Lewis there and he will probably bounce back, or they won't and he won't.
There’s no mystery to explain. As great as Lewis is in a car he gels with, he has never excelled in maximizing tricky cars. It’s why Button outscored him during their three seasons combined.
Where did this nonsense come from that Hamilton never gives up? Wgever he has a bad race and ends up in a crap position he nearly ALWAYS calls to retire the car. He's a sook.
Hamilton be like “Still we rise guys, this is for the mechanics and engineers at the factory” Also Hamilton : Jumps the start, runs over debris, speeding in pit lane and complains about car, wants to retire.
The whole "Still we rise, thanks for everybody at the factory" thing has always been more of a PR stunt in my eyes. It's easy to be greatful and nice when you're winning, but the true test of loyalty is when things are not going your way. I'd say Lewis is failing that test quite miserably.
The Results screen misses 2 points after Qatar If I calculate the points shown on this display. I count 57 points where they in real-time now have 59 just 2 points more. It is not much however in the fears fight between 6th and 8th place, a couple of points decide where you will end with millions in price money. Before Brazil so till Mexico, I count the points on this Results screen 6×10th and and 4×9th = 6+8=14 points. Then Brazil** 15+18= 33 points = 47** and 10 points from Gasly in last race Qatar is 57 points, however official they have 59 points. You didn't show on screen or mentioning it in the video that Gasly also scored 2 points in the Sprintrace also in Brazil where he finished 7th so here you have the +2 missing points.
The fact TeamLH actually believes the team which owes all of its sucess to Lewis would actually sabotage him, just because hes leaving, just showes how brainless they are. Its very sad that such a great drivers has fans like that, of course its not just him, Verstappen, Norris, Leclerc, pretty much all drivers have brainless fans but it seems like Lewis has the bigger ratio of them
did mercedes make the car jump the start? did mercedes make the car speed up on pits? No, and NO. He is in for a surprise if he thinks ferrari is going to allow that attitude.
2:17 Tell me you didnt watch the grand prix without telling me you didnt watch the grand prix. That is just straight up lazy and bad journalism. It was blatantly obvious that Hulkenburg locked up and collided with Ocon which sent Ocon's car into Colapinto. Which was confirmed by commentators as well as as replays.
I think this mentality around teams sabotaging their drivers that are departing the team is hard to grasp. The team earns from points scored. Why would they want to take the loss of both points and potential dollars? I think when drivers are being beaten by their younger counterparts...just man up and admit it. they aren't going to knee cap you unless its about staying under the cost cap, and you're the one leaving...why would they at that point, and i'm pretty sure they'd be upfront about it. This isn't reality tv. Commentary channels have to drum up drama from somewhere.
That's a GOAT you're talking about, one who's ecstatic at the prospect of driving for Ferrari. Lewis is tired of Merc and he has been since they got rid of his wingman Valteri and put Russell in the second seat. To quote Peter Windsor: "When you have a Lewis Hamilton, you don't need a George Russell in the other car, you need a Bottas." I'm a MV fan, and I wouldn't want some young gun looking to make his mark in the second seat, in fact, if Checo is done, I'd take Valteri in a heartbeat.
@HAAAFNER only if he gets a championship winning car is he a good driver. Same with all driver to be fair but when he isn't in a good car, he whines and complains and is a miserable F. He's been the luckiest guy in F1 history in that both teams he joined, he got a championship winning car. He never had to endure difficult times like this before and even this year he has won a race and finished high in few. He has never had to endure a truly bad car like all others have.
@@DonEnzone That is true, but his stance on LGBTQ+ issues is a positive, for example, that is great for social progress. On climate change, yes it is a difficult balance for any member of the sport, but it is great that they are moving to be more sustainable.
@@inspiredglue2056 He pushes racial issues in the most diverse sport in the world. He has supported convicted felons, false narratives, and false imprisonment of innocent people. He's a bumper-sticker social activist advocating for his own.
Hamilton's line, which he's had for quite a while now, that the team is giving him a lesser car than George, is honestly incredibly embarrassing. Be a man and just admit that George is doing a better job.
Is Ferrari now beginning to think they have made a serious mistake? They have a winning driver combination. Two drivers who are young and will fight every race for victory or points.
I don't think they hired Lewis in the hopes that he'd somehow take them to a championship. They have Charles, the literal prince of Italy in their eyes. Lewis is a goat, no doubt. But his brand is worth more than anything. I doubt they'd even want him to be on par with Charles, which I seriously doubt he will be.
@@mrjohnnykyou forget that the Ferrari brand value shot through the roof the second Lewis was signed. From a business standpoint, he’s worth like 10x what Ferrari is paying him. And as Red Bull in 2022-23 showed, having a mediocrity in the second car is fine when you’re way ahead of the pack
They did not hire Hamilton for his skills, because let's be honest quite a few other drivers could drive just as well. They hired him to sell merchandise to his loyal fan-base.
People were saying the complete opposite when Merc's car was in a more competitive spot and Ferrari had their rough patch. F1 fans have the memory of a goldfish. Let's save our judgement until next year.
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@@hiufgterdeprecies, laat die jaloerse hebberige tokkies alsjeblieft aan die kant van het water blijven (soort van net als in Brazilië 😅)
Wat een etterzakken zijn die gasten gebleken afgelopen seizoen zeg… Pas zodra hun bevooroordeelde mening ze in de problemen leek te brengen konden ze plotseling wel praten over het talent en de prestatie van de wagen met nummer 1 erop.
Max Verstappen heeft die prestaties neergezet samen met Red Bull Racing. En de interne strijd die zich daar afspeelt is niet te herleiden naar Max of Jos, maar des te meer naar Christian Horney. Lekker aan die kant van de poel blijven idd!
Not interested. It’s a dull circuit and race.
You’re getting really annoying. I mean, ads are fine. But when you have ad breaks and then bury ads in the editorial content as well (even worse on the podcast) it‘s a bit much.
Bro we can clearly see Nico lost control causing the collision
Ocon def locked up before Hulk lost control
@@theoneandonlybosablethat’s irrelevant as the contact was caused entirely by Hulkenburg
@@theoneandonlybosable and Ocon's lock up had nothing, zero, nada to do with the accident. So why is it even mentioned, unless to make a false implication?
i think the point is that he was going to overshoot that corner no matter what. If he would have had it under control he wouldnt have hit Nico in the spin out.
@@41Nizmo the only problem with your hypothesis is that absolutely none of what you just described actually happened. Nico spun into Esteban who was pitched into Franco.
Hamilton has asked to retire the car a few times when he’s been out of the points, it isn’t something new.
It’s his 2nd time. If you have any other please post your sources.
@ my source is Sky Sports F1 😂
@@justwayne4785 and how many times did they say he asked to retire the car?
Germany 2019
Spain 2022
Qatar 2024
Three times he has said it
I can sympathise when it really isn't going well at the time
But in particularly his Spain 2022 race, it was a good job he didn't
He wears his heart on his sleeve, which you cannot really knock him for
Albeit I think that has worked against him this year as he has got himself in a very negative spiral in a car that doesn't suit him, while his teammate is able to consistently outpace him in qualifying
A winter break is much needed for Lewis. Hopefully he comes back rejuvenated, unawise he may be up for a repeat against Charles next year, in an unknown environment that has the car developed more down the Monaco driver's preferences.
yeah even in races that ended up being one of his most iconic. It's as if people just simply can't remember stuff happening more than 10minutes ago I mean we are able to hear his team radio and then he pulls up on the podium trying to sell the "never give up" narrative....unfortunately so many blokes are buying it
No, Lewis has ALWAYS been like this, even at the peak of his powers, when he was almost unbeatable, if things started to go against him, he'd complain to the pit wall that they should park the car and retire. This is not new, don't pretend like it is.
Yep, I remember that very well.
Agreed, it's kinda crazy to even frame it the way they did. I fact Hamilton is the only person on the grid that I can think of that has said this at all, and he's done it on multiple occasions.
I only remember one occasion tbf, this is the second one
It’s only happened one other time, when Nico was in the team.
@thebbiddim882 imagine being so confident and being wrong. Try and watch Spain 2022 just as a quick example
0:20
You're thinking of John Cena. Lewis has wanted to park it multiple times in the past
I remember he wanted to park once in 2022 (I think) because he was stuck behind a slow car. The most decorated driver with the most decorated team (in recent times) wanted to give up because he couldn’t fight for P19 against the slowest team driven by the slowest driver. He was forced to continue and he finished P5 because the car always had speed
So did Alonso in his McLaren Honda days. 😂
@@sajjadhashmani4064mazepin didn't even drive in 22 dawg. When the car performs it's the car has speed but when it doesn't it's Lewis's fault to you?
@@sajjadhashmani4064mazepin raced F1 in 2022? You know so much!
@@Euclides287 They don’t care about that of course
I'm not a big Ocon fan, but he wasn't responsible for the turn one exit. Hülkenberg blocks his front tire and slides into Ocon, who no longer has a chance between Hülkenberg and Colapinto
Pinto blows,,,
Not super thrilled about Ocon going to Haas.
I like Haas.
i dont like ocon at all never have ... to be honest i think hes just taking up a seat for somebody that actually has talent like Hallie Deegan
Agreed. Haas has had a great season by most metrics and I find it hard to believe that Ocon is going to help the team.
I actually did like ocon when he first came in with Manor in Belgium. Mostly because of his underdog story and humble upbringing (which is why I was a lewis fan from day one) but over the years the dude has gotten insufferable with no real skill to back it up. I thought after his year out he would change but nooooo, he’s worse and way more unlikable. Haas is wasting a seat
Agreed. I don't want him driving there.
Ocon a terrible teammate, I am sad Haas made the mistake of giving him a seat, not good for Ollie…
This is a bit to much gossip content instead of actual info on many points in this video
Tbf that’s a large part of their content. They do and say whatever to get these clicks.
...too much... yeah predictive text, but still, keep internal standards
"Just retire the car" - Lewis 'never give up' Hamilton
"sTiLl i RiSe". Even tattooed on his upper back.
but he didn’t give up ?
Should say Still I Whine.......
If Hamiltons not competing for a WDC, a win or at the very least a podium he just isn’t as motivated. The guy feeds on success and is a monster but when he’s not fighting for something substantial he isn’t as focused. Also Mercedes giving George preferential treatment and the upgrades first can’t be helping.
@@jonSLAYRI mean
Isn’t that every driver tho
You mean Hulkenburg lost the rear into turn 1 and clattered into Ocon who then clattered into Franco
A lot of baseless assumptions and journalist projecting here
Ocon was going to clatter into him whether hulk was there or not, he locked up
Exactly. For example, you can only laugh when TR calls Lewis Mr. “Never Give Up” Hamilton when he’s done the same exact thing a dozen times before…
Lewis also wanted to retire a healthy car at Barcelona 2022, so not entirely unheard of.
and he didn't and climbed his way to P5. so what is your dumb comment saying?
Germany 2019 as well.
Alonso in McLaren days as well
@@manasa2900he's a crybaby?
Could you imagine Schumacher doing that and saying all this shit about his team. Absolutely classless. That's why Ham will never be considered one of the greats... acting like a spoiled brat (throughout his entire career, actually).
Hamilton only "Never Gives Up" when he's with the fastest car
Say what you want, Lewis’s worst ever season in his career before Qatar was 9 points behind his teammate who’s having his best ever season in his career.
And also going 8-1 in the last nine qualifying sessions as a 40 year old against a beast of a qualifier in the prime age of his career.
George has had 3 non fault 25point losses....
Hams had 1...
Yet george is 18 points ahead...
George has dominated ham AGAIN
@@karl8805 again? were you in a coma last year?
@@karl8805 all it took was some old fashioned preferential treatment, well done georgy!
And when he gets outshined by an 18 year old next year, George fans will have nowhere left to go.
Facts
That mid video ad integration was extremely jarring and really broke up the flow of the video. Please reconsider the placement in the future. It would be much more appropriate to put it at the beginning or end of the video.
I agree I needed to skip it 😂
Just seems Lewis is mentally checked out at Mercedes , even hinted at it in a interview earlier in the weekend saying he can’t wait for the season to end . Genuinely just hope with a fresh start and hopefully a more balanced car we get to see Lewis back to his best again
Geez.... race goes Red Top again. Ocon wasn't forced out, he was given an to option to exit so he could do the HAAS test on Tuesday. Hamilton has a really good way of highlighting "poor me", he's done it for years and years..... just think of his tyre cries to Bono.
Blaming Ocon for the turn 1 crash, when Nico went bowling, is a bit harsh.
never give up Hamilton ??
SERIOUSLY ???
We've seen this many times in the last couple of years, when the car is not a front runner anymore and outside top 10, he starts whining about how bad the car is and how they should just retire the car and save the engine.. Since this is Hamilton , BRIT medias ignore or doesn't take this into discussion; if it was someone like Alonso or Max, it would've been a different scenario.. SO STOP BUTTERING UP...
keep crying
when Maxi spent the whole race crying in Hungary and being disrespectful AF you fangirls keep defending him. But If Lewis did the same you would be crying about in the comments. Stop being g a pathetic hypocrite.
This isn't lewis' first time to want to give up during a race. Hes done this many times in the past
Also the first corner was hulks fault
Many? 2 probably. For a guy with 350+ races it's not an incredible ratio.
@@soundscape26 maybe so, but how many other drives say that they want to retire cuz they are p15 or whatever? Hamilton might be the only one.
@@julianpeschar1801 when you've been winning your entire career, what's the point in finishing the race in P12?
@@GameOver-nm2us with that same logic, why would he finish a race if hes out if the top 7? Who cares about 4 points right? Maybe because he gets paid a couple of milion to drive a car around in circles and the least he could do is finish the races, like a professional.
@julianpeschar1801 because a couple points could help him in the championship standings, he won his first championship by one point.
Long time Hamilton fan here. It looks to me he wants to leave immediately. Rolling at the start. Speeding in the pit lane. Poor qualifying in Q3 when the car is obviously faster. What the hell is going on at Mercedes?
mentally checked out. Just like Perez with his pitlane start.
Hamilton gave up and isn't even trying.
Lewis doesn’t have the intel George has anymore. The car is being developed around George’s inputs predominantly (and have been since the beginning of the season likely). That’s not sabotaging mind you. That’s just facts. When a driver is leaving the team to a direct competitor, the team will restrict data presented to the driver that’s leaving because any data the driver has going to the other team can be used as reference data by the competition. You’ll note that Lewis has been complaining about not getting the right info about tire warm up. Likely he’s been guessing for some time what to do, which is likely why his pace seems to improve over a race distance as he gets more of a feeling in the car and identifies the optimal feel to put into the car.
Maggnuson, dropped from Hass, no drive next year. But still raced and fought for points. That's the true spirit of a Racing Driver. Not whinging because it's not going his way.
@@philipbarton3456 Yeah he just doesn't have the support of the team anymore and it's just compounding on top of his struggles with the car. All of those things + not fighting for anything at the end of the season + Ferrari waiting next year results in what we see now. It's really sad to see this partnership end this way but I have faith he can bounce back at Ferrari. I think he needed a fresh environment anyway.
The Ricciardo comment in the Lewis section was bizarre as hell. He’s the only driver ever who’s been unsure of bad performances???
It's related to Danny Ric for sure. These ground effect cars are very strange and a lot of the old guard drivers are struggling with it. Ultimately they can't attack the slow/medium corners like they want to with their driving styles and what they know from the past. Danny Ric, Seb Vettel, and Lewis have all struggled more than not.
@@bornresaabe yeah thankfully alonso is still doing okay but his car is a shitbox
@@tarunthomas3821 I think Alonso is doing well because of his bizarre, extreme understeer preference. He never liked a car with a very strong front, and so he's doing fine in these heavy boats because they aren't really agile and sort of behave like his old understeery cars. Like you said, the only problem is he's driving a shitbox
I would be surprised if Mercedes weren't withholding information and new parts from Lewis. Why risk giving that knowledge to Ferrari.
Did the Race not see the race? Ocon was a passenger to an accident caused by the Hulk.
Gasly / Ocon were very evenly matched up until the last few weekends. with constructors money up for grabs, i cant imagine them intentionally trying to sabotage Ocon.
5:47 Hamilton has wanted to park the car many times in the past.
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For people that think ocon didn't derserve an f1 seat, he just done top 3 result of alpine renault since 10 years 1 top 1 2 top 2 while he had alonso , gasly and ricciardo as teamate so all race winner or championship winner , you are delusional
Why does everyone dislike Ocon? I never followed him through his career. Last interesting thing i kind of learned about him is he's probably the only not rich parents driver left aside from Hamilton. Is it his personality that everyone seems to dislike or how he races or what? i can't say i've noticed anything too out of the ordinary from his races in F1
From what I hear, he's a very nice guy outside the car, but his driving style is extra aggressive especially towards his teammates, which is never seen as a good thing from the team perspective, and also, maybe he's just a weird guy cause sometimes he has such weird comments in the press. Also he's best friends with Stroll that already says something😂
Because he beat Alonso and that’s why the Alonso fanboys are out hating him.
@@IamHailey8stroll is a nice guy too so it means that ocon is extra nice? 🤔
@@IamHailey8 I like Ocon for being that aggressive. Drivers like him make the sport interesting. Since Alonso in renault, Ocon gave them their first win in a long time. Dude is capable that's for sure. It's just that he's a bit too aggressive at times. Like some of his moves on track are super boneheaded. Prime example this year was the Monaco incident. I know he saw a gap, but that was not the right move, yet he still went for it. Check out his Racing Point and Force India days, and his incidents are always with his teammates. He's always equally fast as them. It feels like he enjoys the challenge of having a tough teammate, and pushes it too far. With Pierre, there haven't been many incidents except monaco and australia, but there is a pattern in his driving that influences this need to prove himself. I hope in Haas he takes the role of the lead driver to guide a rookie, instead of yeeting into him every chance he gets. Regardless, I still like him as a driver. When given a decent car, he has shown good potential.
Watch the video from 1:54 to 2:03. That brought previous annoyances to a head. For it, Ocon was given a five-place grid penalty for the next GP.
Saying that Hamilton wanting to retire a healthy car is a surprise or 'out of character' is actually not true. He's done this before and as I've noted before he's the only driver I can recall ever doing this. Multiple times in his career, if things go wrong, he simply wants to retire the car.
Lewis and Mercedes collaps is very easily explained, after the 50BHP advantage disappeared a team and driver career imploded.
Yep, when they can't count on those extra horses, they are clueless how to build effective aero.
it's not that simple. that advantage disappeared in 2018, Lewis's best year, and he continued to win races and championships and continued to dominate, even in there non championship winning year 2021 they were one of the best when it came to chassis and aero, if not the outright best chassis. Their wind tunnel isn't built around these cars, so what they see there doesn't necessarily correlate with what actually happens on track, their computer simulators don't help either. The team just still doesn't understand this ground effect concept, and Lewis refuses to change his driving style as it clearly works in the races, but not quali. it's never as simple as "The engine is not Godly anymore" and if you have any basic knowledge of this team you'd know one of the reasons they were so dominant in 14-16 was because of how the engine department and the chassis department cooperated.
If you don't believe me, look at 2020; Mercedes: Greatest car of all time, Mercedes engine - Williams: Worst car of that year, Mercedes engine.
@@GameOver-nm2us
Honda were 40HP behind in 2021. They were still restricted by the sh*tty tokens then got a window for 2022 upgrade. Suddenly Lewis can't compete.
@@GameOver-nm2us Red Bull still had a slight edge in chassis/aero stuff compared to Mercedes in 2021, but the Merc engine was better. And I wouldn't read too much into Williams being that bad in 2020 and then conclude that the Merc engine wasn't that good. Yes, it wasn't as op as in the early turbo hybrid era, but of course at least in theory the engine will be the best fitting to the chassis for the main team, why would Mercedes supply engines to other teams to only make the customers faster than themselves? Williams was running on such a shoe-string budget at that point that no engine would have saved their 2020 season.
I do agree on your take about Hamilton: he excelled even when Merc briefly lost their engine dominance, but he clearly has an issue with adapting to the ground effect cars.
@patepulkkinenvtec2403 McLaren are on their way to win the constructors championship (the championship the shows the actual best car) with the Mercedes engine, the argument that Williams weren't as good because the engine didn't fit their chassis is not right. In 2021, Mercedes didn't have an edge in the engine department, but more so the fact that the car was better in the straights because of their aero package. But in my opinion, when it came to corners, Mercedes and Redbull were neck and neck, sometimes the Redbull was better in more bumpy tight street circuites, but then Mercedes bit back with traditional smooth sailing tracks with long straights. Sure, yea, Mercedes does design their engine around their chassis and vice versa as I mentioned, it was the biggest reason for their huge success in the mid 2010's, but as we can clearly see now it has little effect when the team knows how to build a car.
At this stage, it is logical to assume that Merc will be using Hamilton to experiment. And it may have started doing so a few races ago once it realised that it’s championship position was fixed. There is nothing unethical with that decision, though it is naturally frustrating for Lewis and his fans. The next couple of years will make it clear whether he is actually past his peak.
Yeah yeah, every time when Lewis is struggling, it's because he is 'experimenting', this story is getting so old. I wonder what experiment he will be having when he gets beaten by Charles.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403That shouldn't affect his legacy. As an older Schumi was beaten by Rosberg and still he's considered GOAT. Ferrari is a long standing Merc rival. There's no way they will give Lewis information or let him be privy to key data that could help him as he could take that to Ferrari. Lewis came out and said it himself he wont be out qualifying George very early in the season.
@@MojoMachin3 I am not discrediting Hamilton's legacy by any means. He had some brilliant seasons, just like Schumi had. And yes, Michael wasn't the same in his comeback. However, a great legacy shouldn't be an excuse for underperforming, and Lewis absolutely has underperformed recently.
Russell has been showing that the car is competitive, just not in Hamilton's hands. Simple as that. It is not just one race or two, lucky moves, whatever. That 8 to 1 is pretty telling.
And if the excuse is "but they are now listening more to George for car development" then they were probably listening more to Lewis for the most part of this season before he announced his departure no? And yet George is ahead by 24 points.
I think Ferrari is not going to be very happy with this new hire next season...
I hate the guy, but it’s clear Alpine completely stopped supporting Ocon after Monaco. He was up 5-1 in quali. After 🇲🇨 PG’s magically ahead 90% of the time.
Esteban Ocon will always struggle, because wherever he goes, there he is.
Just curious, but who would you rate higher… Ocon or Hulkenberg?
He blames literally everyone and everything else except for him, he's never self-critical.
@@Primenumber19 Hulkenberg (and I rate Ocon higher than most)
@@deanjdk just saying, based on results, hulkenberg hasn’t even achieved as much as lance stroll.
Like Grosjean always complained about his brakes for years. I think it wasn’t the brakes that weren’t the problem.
"Ocon forced out of Alpine"??
It is an agreement between the driver and the team.
Please stop making up headlines.
There are drivers who can adapt to the development of these cars. We'll see next year if by moving to other teams helps them, but thus far is clear that Ocon, Perez and Hamilton just can't adapt to these cars like other experienced drivers can.
Ocon IS one of the best driver under rain and you think hé can't adapt to change 😅, you're dumb
I actually do believe icon's car could be purposely slower. Gasly has been on fire for sure, but the drama that existed required a solution, and would've gotten overly competitive. I just don't think you can be certain the team pushing a driver out is not favoring the driver staying. In fact keeping certain upgrades off ocon's car is a very strong way to determine the value of all potential upgrades
Hamilton has been a crybaby all year long. He really believes Mercedes is sabotaging him and not that he's been on the decline for years already.
Carlos shows that this phenomena doesnt apply to any departing driver.
I remember in 2022 when Lewis got beaten by Russell, even tho we knew that he was carrying experimental setups, people were quick to say that he was washed up and finished. Then we got into the 2023 season and he wiped the floor with George finishing P3 with the 4th-3rd best car while George finished P8. Since he announced that he is leaving at the beginning if the season, he suddenly doesn't know how to drive anymore and is being dominated by Russell and nobody finds it weird ?
And the same goes for Ocon, before announcing he was leaving, he was never being dominated like that by Gasly.
"Then we got into the 2023 season and he wiped the floor with George finishing P3 with the 4th-3rd best car while George finished P8"
The points gap was explained by just four races, one of which was a mechanical DNF where Hamilton lucked into 2nd. Ferrari had a lot of bad luck in 2023, that flattered Merc, and this year they got exposed. You're also implying that Russell couldn't have improved from last year to this, despite him making a lot of unnecessary mistakes last year. The Spa DSQ makes it look close, but the points gap should have been bigger. Hamilton has mentally checked out, just as he did at McLaren. And Mercedes are focusing the updates on Russell. Mystery solved.
@@Ruylopez778Look at the statistics, he beat George comfortably on every measure aside from qualifying. So yes, he wiped the floor with him.
Agreed that he’s now mentally checked out, but it’s not looking good for Mercedes if their outgoing driver is only a handful points behind the driver who should be leading the team next year.
Granted George has had a few DNFs, but I’d have expected him to be miles ahead given the differences in performance and Mercedes naturally withholding info from Lewis.
@@Ruylopez778u do know that LH got dsq in Austin in 23 right ? Without that +20 for Lewis in comparison to George 😂
@@clintblacktiger8229 "u do know that LH got dsq in Austin in 23 right ?"
Yeah, why would I not know that?
"Without that +20 for Lewis in comparison to George 😂"
Russell would have finished 7th if LEC and HAM hadn't been DSQ'd. 7th is 6pts. 2nd is 18pts. So the DSQ of both drivers cost Hamilton 12pts. With Russell promoted to 6th, he gained 10pts back on Hamilton. Hamilton gained more points on Russell from 4 rounds that he did for the rest of the entire season. Hamilton made mistakes in '23 also, just not in races where Russell was also on the podium.
AUS +18, CAN +15 and SIN +15 were the biggest points swings for Hamilton. Australia was an engine failure for Russell, and Singapore was a last lap mistake where he was ahead of Hamilton. Russell made a couple of costly mistakes, but just looking at the points gap and pretending Hamilton was a lot better is silly. 30% of that points gap is down to Australia. People are comparing '23 to '24 and pretending it proves that the cars aren't equal anymore. That's a dishonest conclusion based on a misrepresentation of 2023.
@@AnonymousMC17 "So yes, he wiped the floor with him"
By my math, not counting Sprints or FL, Hamilton made 46pts over Russell from 11 races. Then he made 56pts over him from 4 races (one where Russell had an engine failure, and one where Russell made a mistake on final lap while ahead of Hamilton, which accounts for 55% of the points gap at the end of the season). Russell's biiggest gains over Hamilton were QAT (Hamilton's own error), USA (DSQ) and ABU totalling 35pts.
"but it’s not looking good for Mercedes if their outgoing driver is only a handful points behind the driver who should be leading the team next year."
You mean including Hamilton's 25pts at Spa where Russell was DSQ'd?
You're not really comparing performance, because the points are skewed by context. You've no idea what is being "held back" from Hamilton. That's purely speculation on your part that Hamilton should be automatically ahead in equal cars.
This video is a miss, this doesn't happen often with this channel but this is one of those rare times
agreed, probably one of the weakest videos they have put out in a long time, very poor journalism on there part.
This is just ham 09-13 22-now.
Its how he is in equal cars
Good video. Enjoyed it! but: why the snow?
Poor Haas and Ollie Bearman they will suffer with this guy.
I have a feeling we’re gonna see ocon with haas for one season and then retiring. The now seemingly Japanese philosophy of respect that’s within that team that’s earning it the results because of a team actually working in harmony is NOT going to click with ocon.
I actually are thinking of a surprisingly good season for Ocon, like imagine he gets a Podium finish in that car, it would turn his career around per say, maybe not that much, but im actually expecting Ocon to put in a good shift
He might actually do really well, Gasly isn't there, his teamate will be a rookie and the team has experience managing hot headed drivers well.
Suffer with points?
They have a driver who beat Alonso and have a better driver lineup than AM.
Esteban is a solid driver, he and K-Mag are almost carbon copies, Bearman may, or may not be ready for F1 full time, but Ocon deserves a seat in F1.
I suspect that telemetry data and optimal setup sharing for ocon and Hamilton, due to them leaving and teams wanting to boost the confidence if their remaining drivers, isnt shared both ways the last half of the season.
Sacking ocon is just ego and pettiness from Alpine
I cannot imagine Lewis is going to enjoy the chaos at Ferrari.
Alpines claims are delusional. Ocon didnt suddenly lose a second to gasly, who he has generally been slightly quicker than during their time together. Esteban might be an arsehole, but that doesnt excuse how alpine have treated him this year
You’d think Ocon didn’t come 2nd a few weeks ago lmfao
Ocon's lack of pace is due to the car. Let's be honest here. And i don't really like him that much.
Merc want to defeat Hamilton mentally before he join their competitor.
I really enjoy videos on this channel normally but this one is full of errors. Ocon definitely didn’t cause the crash, he did lock up but was already in the firing line from Nico. Hamilton has always moaned, he has wanted to retire the car even from positions like 11th after a heavy penalty or something silly.
This video feels a bit tabloid and distant from the typical fact based videos you normally do.
that crash was nico's fault, and stop the yapping, it's not confirmed if ocon will drop outta alpine
Lewis "Never give up" Hamilton already had a similar situation in Germany 2019 where he asked the team to retire the car and actually ended up in 9th.
2022 Spanish Grand Prix as well . Hit KMAG and was back in 19th or so and finished up in the 5th at the end.
You really think this will end for Hamilton after he leaves Mercedes? The second that Leclerc starts cooking him, which I have no doubt he will, Hamilton will go back to all this whining and complaining.
Why are you pretending it's unthinkable that Hamilton wanted to give up?? Do you guys even watch Formula 1? There's been a number of occasions in the past where something hasn't gone his way and he's wanted to retire the car. Spain 2022 is a recent example, and I seem to remember him doing the same in 2012. Just because he peddles the line "never give up", doesn't mean he actually embodies it
There must be a lot of people at Ferrari feeling uneasy about having Hamilton coming next season
Yes because they've done so well with the last two world champions they took in how could they not
I doubt it
is Lewis ungrateful? did lewis forget the 7 world championships Mercedes helped him with?
Good luck Ferrari dealing with Hamilton. Many clashes to come with Charles 😅
more like chares will be in the top 5 and lewis will be in p10
like with Carlos?
@@tarunthomas3821listen, Hamilton is going to Ferrari not to be the 2nd of a mid tier fiddle. Didn't you get the memo
@@ascended17Mate, you better prepare yourself for Lewis to be exactly the middle fiddle you were talking about. If things continue this way for him, he is gonna be eaten alive by Charles.
@patepulkkinenvtec2403 bro, not even a fam of the guy. But he does have 7 stars, snd you know who else has 7 stars? The Red Baron🧨🥇🏆🔥. So, in case you know, the face will Hamilton, but lecrec can play barrichello
Hamiltons attitude wanting to park the car because it wasnt going his way was such a discrace. Mercedes should not have told him to stay out but told Antonelli to suit up and inform Hamilton when he got out of the car that he was done with Mercedes.
Accusing Mercedes of sabotaging Hamilton is ridiculous. No matter what you think of Mercedes, whether you’re a fan or not, Hamilton won 6 WDC with Mercedes (7 if you count the McLaren-Mercedes in 2008) and 8 WCC. Never would they treat Hamilton like that
It's not that simple. Fundamentally, it's still a competitive sport. And one thing that is super common when you know one of your driver's is leaving for one of your rivals, is to start holding back information, letting you participate less often in debriefings and development discussions, etc. All because you'd be giving too much info to the rival team indirectly. These things automatically cause you as a team to develop the car towards the driver whose comments will be relevant beyond the next few months. Is it fair, no. Is it malicious or favoritism? Also no. It's business and competition. Toto may be Lewis' friend, but he's also a CEO and Team Principal that needs to start delivering again in a time of general slump for the team since the days of dominance. Also, as a team, it's really hard to feel motivated to put 1000% effort into someone who is clearly checked out and demotivated by the state of things at the team in relation to him. The primary job of a lead driver, is to race like hell, but also to lead and be a figure that can motivate the team. Lewis has always been great at that. But realistically, he's no longer that leader. Russell is, because Kimi cannot be. And we're seeing Russel changing amidst all this. His attitude, bravado, aggression, and confidence in his statements are all increased now. Will this result in him being a good leader? I'm not so sure, but only time will tell. But Lewis is certainly not the leader anymore. And that also has a big impact. We're not talking about people who sit back and once in a while hear the words of their leader like in a corporate office. We're talking about day in, day out. And it doesn't matter who you like. You listen to the one that is in the position that you have to listen to. Hopefully, you like them, and the result is then a good working relationship.
Mercedes paying Hamilton 50mil and sabotage him is a ridiculous idea.. only The Race can think about this.. what do you expect from branch of Hamilton fan from The Race to critize his driving skill? When win, he got skill, when lose, is team fault. What a hypocrite channel
@@swl0323 Exactly. Mercedes obviously wants the best results possible. One driver fighting for wins and podiums, and another driving around in the midfield, begging to retire the car, makes them as a team and brand look bad.
Bottas never acted like this.
I've noticed signs of Paranoia in Hamilton over the years, especially against Rosberg. When everythings going well he's fine but adversity brings out dark thoughts.
I’m a big Lewis fan, but I hate the “eff it” attitude he has had lately.
I agree. Like I get it to an extent, he is someone who is going to get frustrated with the 4th best car, but wouldn't it have been nicer if he said "Ok this is not going to improve this year, I've been with this team for 10 years lets just enjoy the sendoff and take the good races when they come"
Although that could be what is happening behind closed doors.
If you think Lewis has had that attitude only lately, you have been rather blind throughout his whole career.
@@FrancisFjordCupola Fair enough.
Ocon having Toto as a manager has held back his career
What makes the likes of Senna, Schumacher, Alonso and Verstappen the best I have ever seen is their ability to adapt to any car. This attribute is what makes these drivers all time greats. If Lewis wants to be considered in this category, he needs to learn to adapt as well. Ever since 2021 when he hasn't had a superior car, he has failed to beat Max and Russel because he hasn't adapted. He only has himself to blame, not the team or the car. And next year, sorry to say, it won't be any different. He will have to adapt or LeClerc will yet another teammate regularly beating him.
He just know complain.. that why he is 6times world car champion.. not driver champion.. because he do not have any driving skill to adapt to the car
Well, no.
Senna, Schumacher, Alonso and Verstappen also are faster when the car suits them. Just look at how Verstappen started 2022 struggling and just matching Perez.
You can see the same thing for the others. Maybe except Alonso. But even then, he didn't won titles in those shitty Ferraris he was racing with, because even overdriving a bad car has a limit.
@ did they whining and give up like Hamilton? He drove only 4th fastest car and want to give up? How many times he want to give up in races? How he think about all the driver driving in the car slower than him? Did you see Albon give up? Did you see Alonso give up? Did you see Michael give up? Did u see Senna give up? A driver who never drive a car lower than 4th fastest do not have any qualification to say he is a best driver. He just cannot perform well in a 4th fastest car.. did you see Michael outperform in a slow Benetton? Did you see Vettel and Max outperform in a Torro Rosso? Did you see Leclerc outperformed in a Alfa Romeo? Did you see Senna outperform a slow William? Did you see alonso outperformed a slow Renault? Did you see Russell outperformed a William in qualifying? How about Hamilton? None of a good example he show that he can outperform a shitty car.. this show how amateur he is.. he is 7times world champion.. im laughing about that 😂😂😂😂
Damn. Lewis has been driving for 18 fucking years. Do you really think he couldn't adapt to the new regulation? Are you all delusional? Yeah he got a drought during the past 3 years and maybe his time is over. But to say he can't adapt to a new car is blasphemy.
@ Hamilton cannot even outscore his average teamate Russell is the best prove that he did not have the ability to adapt the car.. still dare to say he is at F1 for 18years.. if he win 6times world car champion in the same team and in the end you lose to an average teammate who only win 3GP while u only win 2 during 3years and 1-2 lose to an average teammate have proven you are useless.. still dare to receive 50mil and call himself GOAT? Im laughing hard on that 😂😂😂
So LH signs a new deal then before the ink is dry on the contract tells the team that he is not going to honour the deal and is now complaining that the team have placed all their eggs in the other drivers basket? Outstanding!
Not going to honour a deal? His contract was a 1+1, both Mercedes and Lewis could denounce the contract under specific conditions for 2025, that's what Lewis did.
I can't wait for videos explaining why Lewis is not able to beat Leclerc 😂
they will blame racism lol
At that age, Leclerc should be beating Lewis, so it is not a big deal.
@@seyramakar9665if that’s the case why would Ferrari even hire Hamilton
Making excuses already and he hasn’t even started with Ferrari
@@cantrait7311 wtf are you talking about m8. Ferrari ALWAYS goes for experience and never youth literally the onlye exception was leclerc. Lewis really lives rent free in some of yalls mind jesus...
@@cantrait7311money from marketing. Did you see what happened to the ferrari stock?After the report of the signing😂
Sir George Russel with 0 WDCs seems to get on with it just fine.
I used to think the Lec V Ham battle next year would be close, but these days im doubtful
Toto should have given Alonso a 1yr + 1yr option contract. He will drive the wheels off that Mercedes.
I could be wrong but I feel like a 1 year deal was discussed.
Either way, Toto doesn't want to give Lewis' replacement more than one year because they want Antonelli in F1 by 2026 and don't have any other option. And Alonso doesn't want a 1 year contract because he wants to go on for longer than that, and his options would be very limited if any were available.
Alonso is a potential race winner and a great driver, but with someone as young and good as russell, you can potentially get like 10 years out of him. Thats not happening with alonso, and he's not cheap. So it doesn't make sense to pay someone that amount of money for a year.
@@DeathBlocksWe all know Toto wanna see Max in Merc from 2026
@@j2jwhatsapp cry baby George will be gone less than 5 yr
@@pewpaw9379 that's why 1+1 is a sweet deal just in case Max got poached to Ferrari or Aston.
Imagine finishing 2nd 10 days ago and then seeing a video about your "collapse"
I mean Toto saying Lewis has a shelf life and they needed to think about ditching him for a younger model must have gone down really well. Then in Vegas, George drove a race that was "out of this world" (pole to win with virtually no challenge) whereas Lewis' race wasn't bad (tenth to second), according to Toto.
I will understand this video, if their teammates have been outperformiing in qualy all the time. But it is happening in their final years at their teams. Ocon was outperforming Gasly at the beginning of the year before the Monaco incident and his move to Haas. Lewis had outqualified George in 2022, tied with him in 2023. And the year he is losing comprehensively to George is coincidentally the year Lewis is leaving the team. The other side of their garage have been given more resources to extract performance from their cars , so it is not paranoia. It is not the first time Lewis had wanted to give up in a race. Germany 19, Spain 22, yesterday. He still continued, so it is not unheard of ..
I don’t understand why the teams hide it or why people find it objectionable that it happens. Why would a team invest as much in an asset they’re losing as they would in one they aren’t? Of course some drivers are given favoritism within teams. Usually, there’s a good reason for it. To claim russel is better now cuz he’s got more support within the team is to also admit he was lacking to Lewis before because Lewis had that same preferential treatment. Same can be said for the Ocon gasly situation.
I would suggest Hamilton has never been in the position of not being top dog in his team where everything is tuned to suit his preferences. From a psychological and skill perspective he's struggling with a situation most drivers learn to cope with early in their careers while coping with lesser machinery and lesser reputations.
Either Ferrari with put LeClerc on the back burner while Lewis there and he will probably bounce back, or they won't and he won't.
man these bot comments got here fast haha
They're horrible, but they're also really damn funny for a video about F1.
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zip up his pants once you done
It seems u guys used lewis's name just to get views
There’s no mystery to explain. As great as Lewis is in a car he gels with, he has never excelled in maximizing tricky cars. It’s why Button outscored him during their three seasons combined.
Failing to mention the puncture from the debris on the track is why he dropped down so low is poor.
Where did this nonsense come from that Hamilton never gives up? Wgever he has a bad race and ends up in a crap position he nearly ALWAYS calls to retire the car. He's a sook.
It's all about the narratives with his fans. Don't confuse them with facts.
At least he's consistent with that 😄
Why are you advertising Zandvoort?
Hamilton is absolutely WASHED
Bro, you should definitely mark advertising/sponsorship as such in the video overlay! They will sack you, like many others, for not doing that!
Hamilton be like “Still we rise guys, this is for the mechanics and engineers at the factory”
Also Hamilton : Jumps the start, runs over debris, speeding in pit lane and complains about car, wants to retire.
What's your point? You never had a bad day, I suppose.
The running over debris is hardly his fault, they all did but unfortunately for Lewis and Carlos only them got punctures
The whole "Still we rise, thanks for everybody at the factory" thing has always been more of a PR stunt in my eyes. It's easy to be greatful and nice when you're winning, but the true test of loyalty is when things are not going your way. I'd say Lewis is failing that test quite miserably.
The Results screen misses 2 points after Qatar If I calculate the points shown on this display. I count 57 points where they in real-time now have 59 just 2 points more. It is not much however in the fears fight between 6th and 8th place, a couple of points decide where you will end with millions in price money.
Before Brazil so till Mexico, I count the points on this Results screen 6×10th and and 4×9th = 6+8=14 points. Then Brazil** 15+18= 33 points = 47** and 10 points from Gasly in last race Qatar is 57 points, however official they have 59 points. You didn't show on screen or mentioning it in the video that Gasly also scored 2 points in the Sprintrace also in Brazil where he finished 7th so here you have the +2 missing points.
The fact TeamLH actually believes the team which owes all of its sucess to Lewis would actually sabotage him, just because hes leaving, just showes how brainless they are.
Its very sad that such a great drivers has fans like that, of course its not just him, Verstappen, Norris, Leclerc, pretty much all drivers have brainless fans but it seems like Lewis has the bigger ratio of them
You are brainless and naive
Good thing you have the brain power for all of us to actually puke this logic in a comment. Well done.
I can explain to him “YOUR TEAMMATE FASTER THAN YOU”.
did mercedes make the car jump the start?
did mercedes make the car speed up on pits?
No, and NO.
He is in for a surprise if he thinks ferrari is going to allow that attitude.
100%
What we’ve seen for the last 16 years tells me that Ferrari isn’t a serious team anyway. What difference will it make
im wondering what excuses ppl will come up with when leclerc beats him at ferrari.
@@mvh996Don't worry, the excuses will come sooner or later. Team LH44 are the kings of excuses.
Also, Were Mercedes the ones that wanted to retire the car first?
No
If Ocon and Hamilton have discrepancy because of the car, why can't that be the case with Checo, just a thought!!!
2:17 Tell me you didnt watch the grand prix without telling me you didnt watch the grand prix. That is just straight up lazy and bad journalism. It was blatantly obvious that Hulkenburg locked up and collided with Ocon which sent Ocon's car into Colapinto. Which was confirmed by commentators as well as as replays.
I think this mentality around teams sabotaging their drivers that are departing the team is hard to grasp. The team earns from points scored. Why would they want to take the loss of both points and potential dollars?
I think when drivers are being beaten by their younger counterparts...just man up and admit it. they aren't going to knee cap you unless its about staying under the cost cap, and you're the one leaving...why would they at that point, and i'm pretty sure they'd be upfront about it. This isn't reality tv. Commentary channels have to drum up drama from somewhere.
Does anyone else remember when Hamilton tried to block Russell's ascension to Mercedes back in 2021? We can all clearly see why now...
What will happen to KMag?
Hamilton checked out…if he ain’t in the best car all Lewis does is complain
As Alonso said, "if the guy isn't number one he can't drive."
When did Max stop complaining? He’s doing all the winning and still whining!
Ocon is of course angry his teammate is faster than him.
Ferrari have brought themselves a tired old man.
Not true he still has pace he just needs more confidence on more tracks
That's a GOAT you're talking about, one who's ecstatic at the prospect of driving for Ferrari. Lewis is tired of Merc and he has been since they got rid of his wingman Valteri and put Russell in the second seat. To quote Peter Windsor: "When you have a Lewis Hamilton, you don't need a George Russell in the other car, you need a Bottas."
I'm a MV fan, and I wouldn't want some young gun looking to make his mark in the second seat, in fact, if Checo is done, I'd take Valteri in a heartbeat.
@@mikemelina7395 nowhere the GOAT
I really hope he wakes up to become a World Champion Driver once again.
@HAAAFNER only if he gets a championship winning car is he a good driver. Same with all driver to be fair but when he isn't in a good car, he whines and complains and is a miserable F. He's been the luckiest guy in F1 history in that both teams he joined, he got a championship winning car. He never had to endure difficult times like this before and even this year he has won a race and finished high in few. He has never had to endure a truly bad car like all others have.
Never give up hamilton? Lol he's asked to park the car plenty of times. And I'm a Hamilton fan. He's the goat to me.
I always thought of Lewis Hamilton as the LeBron James of F1. Great at his sport, arguably one of the best, but I never liked him as a person.
I think he has shown a lot of integrity and he supports some great change in social issues of our time
@@inspiredglue2056 He's a hypocrite.
@@inspiredglue2056 like wanting to retire the car?
@@DonEnzone That is true, but his stance on LGBTQ+ issues is a positive, for example, that is great for social progress. On climate change, yes it is a difficult balance for any member of the sport, but it is great that they are moving to be more sustainable.
@@inspiredglue2056 He pushes racial issues in the most diverse sport in the world. He has supported convicted felons, false narratives, and false imprisonment of innocent people. He's a bumper-sticker social activist advocating for his own.
Does Hamilton need to do more online laps as practice. Seems to work for Max.
Hamilton's line, which he's had for quite a while now, that the team is giving him a lesser car than George, is honestly incredibly embarrassing. Be a man and just admit that George is doing a better job.
I'm pretty sure Lewis has never said that he has a lesser car than George. He might be thinking it at times, but he's never said it out loud to us.
If this treatment means ocon will get humbled and finally grow the frick up, then i see no down sides
Lewis's decline is easy, he's no longer driving the best car on the grid.
Hamilton's F1 collapse
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Is Ferrari now beginning to think they have made a serious mistake? They have a winning driver combination. Two drivers who are young and will fight every race for victory or points.
I don't think they hired Lewis in the hopes that he'd somehow take them to a championship. They have Charles, the literal prince of Italy in their eyes.
Lewis is a goat, no doubt. But his brand is worth more than anything. I doubt they'd even want him to be on par with Charles, which I seriously doubt he will be.
Yeah I think going for Hamilton was foolish. He's an over the hill overpriced driver on his way out.
@@mrjohnnykyou forget that the Ferrari brand value shot through the roof the second Lewis was signed. From a business standpoint, he’s worth like 10x what Ferrari is paying him. And as Red Bull in 2022-23 showed, having a mediocrity in the second car is fine when you’re way ahead of the pack
They did not hire Hamilton for his skills, because let's be honest quite a few other drivers could drive just as well.
They hired him to sell merchandise to his loyal fan-base.
People were saying the complete opposite when Merc's car was in a more competitive spot and Ferrari had their rough patch. F1 fans have the memory of a goldfish. Let's save our judgement until next year.