Why Alexis Díaz ISN'T Mid (Vertical Approach Angle)

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  • @joshrollin5004
    @joshrollin5004 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    9:49 Sadly this isn’t true. BaseballSavant blatantly says that their run value is calculated on a per-pitch basis in their pitch arsenal leaderboards. Otherwise, good video.

    • @eaniebeanie
      @eaniebeanie ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Sincere question - Even with RV being per-pitch, isn't more RV generated from a putaway than a set-up? For example, pitcher throws a 1-0 changeup for a strike. later in the at bat, on 3-2, the pitcher throws a slider for strike 3. Assuming all pitches between are fastballs, doesn't the slider generate more RV? If so, I think Bailey's point would still be correct, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

  • @noobymonster
    @noobymonster ปีที่แล้ว +196

    At this point the only baseball content I pay attention to is Foolish, and yet it's more interesting than ever. Really enjoy and appreciate these "unusual stat" type videos.

    • @jandy608
      @jandy608 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fr

    • @MrRoboto99
      @MrRoboto99 ปีที่แล้ว

      foolish and everyone from jomboy media are the goats

  • @ILoveMisty1985
    @ILoveMisty1985 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Vertical Approach Angle seems like it would be an instrumental part of Randy Johnson's success with his massive stride and three-quarters delivery. Now I'm just here wishing that he pitched during the Statcast era.

    • @DJsocial7102
      @DJsocial7102 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      And he threw over 100 no wonder he was so dominant.

    • @andrewhawkins6754
      @andrewhawkins6754 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@DJsocial7102 Ya. It's basically Edwin Diaz but throwing 7+ innings instead of 1. Dude was absolutely nasty. Kinda sad there's no statcast of the bird pitch.

    • @cnking27
      @cnking27 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      When hitters talked about facing him it’s the horizontal or lateral approach angle they always brought up…his arms were so long that with his sidearm, cross body delivery it felt like the ball was coming straight at you.

    • @martytu20
      @martytu20 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Coincidentally, he too had a wipeout slider that people forget to mention.

  • @chrislajeunesse5089
    @chrislajeunesse5089 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This video helped something click for me pitching I'm blitzball today. "Pitchers are tall people who throw downhill" really resonated with me thanks!

  • @jorins_4381
    @jorins_4381 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Would love to see more of these types of videos explaining guys that are good or elite because what they excel at is another layer or two deeper

  • @tommyciaciura8488
    @tommyciaciura8488 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thank you for this Bailey, Alexis Diaz just gave up his first home run on his fastball last night!

  • @danielcraven6686
    @danielcraven6686 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “Fact, pitchers are tall people who stand on hills” classic Bailey, just dropping one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard in there casually

  • @seda_11
    @seda_11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The spreadsheet with VAA numbers unlocked a whole new level of understanding for me when it comes to baseball analysis. Along with Stuff+ and Location+, we have the tools to understand which relievers are actually good without having to rely on small sample size ERA and similar such stats.

  • @maldrinjr9629
    @maldrinjr9629 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    10:11 Unfortunately the bit about Diaz not giving up any homers got broken up last night by Lane Thomas, after I assume you finished filming. Still really informative video tho!

  • @gracen8824
    @gracen8824 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    SEE THE MAN PITCH THE BALLLLL

    • @BetleyIsland36
      @BetleyIsland36 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      SEE THE MAN HIT THE BALLLLLL

  • @JulianL0pez
    @JulianL0pez ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I’m slowly learning everything I thought I knew about baseball was kinda wrong. And there’s normally a really cool thing I didn’t know.
    It’s great

    • @garrettweber6225
      @garrettweber6225 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I’m not done yet with the video but as a hitter, when the fastball looks like it “rises” it adds so much perceived velocity because it goes against everything you know as a hitter. Hard to explain unless you’ve experienced it.

    • @DM7817
      @DM7817 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oppo. This is the beginning of the end for baseball, and although I like Bailey's inspection, baseball is already passing its prime.

    • @andrewbloom7694
      @andrewbloom7694 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@ae648 Why? None of this is news to players, they just couldn't measure it before now. I mean ted williams wrote a whole book about launch angle, for example.

  • @xxSLAV33xx
    @xxSLAV33xx ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Alexis and Edwin have almost identical deliveries. It's gotta be pretty fun having your brother with identical mechanics to bounce ideas off of.

  • @BMAN0310
    @BMAN0310 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    shoutout Super Mega Baseball 4 indeed, most fun I’ve had in a sports game in a while

  • @psyinsti2155
    @psyinsti2155 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you're particularly old and hate numbers, think of this as a video on how Gibson's fastball was harder to hit compared to other fastballs of its velocity because Gibson threw half his body across the mount to get the ball that far across the mound. Sure, it's a classic 3/4 delivery, but it was difficult to read out of his hand.

  • @owentucker6215
    @owentucker6215 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a reds fan who was unimpressed with Diaz off of more standard numbers and one shaky relief appearance this is a great video!

  • @Tswiz7
    @Tswiz7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These stats are crazy. Great breakdown

  • @BKF0
    @BKF0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing that wasn't explicitly stated here (but was touched on a few times, esp in the Verlander/Altuve visual) -- VAA is location-dependent! If I throw a fastball above the strike zone, it'll have a lower VAA than a fastball that I spike in front of the plate. Those are two extreme examples, but basically, throwing higher in the zone results in lower VAAs

  • @johnh4686
    @johnh4686 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolute masterpiece Bailey, bravo fr

  • @Duffoluffogus
    @Duffoluffogus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic analysis. Thanks Bailey!

  • @vallo105
    @vallo105 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Who’s out here thinking Alexis Diaz is mid?? Show yourselves

    • @elijahlutz7746
      @elijahlutz7746 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Ignore the bats in our hands, we just wanna talk!

    • @irfbjifi3rufbui3bf35
      @irfbjifi3rufbui3bf35 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Im a reds fan and yeah hes mid (or maybe im just pissed he lost us last nights game)

    • @wolfboy8667
      @wolfboy8667 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@irfbjifi3rufbui3bf35Fairchild lost you that game 😉

    • @pcarchives6682
      @pcarchives6682 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@irfbjifi3rufbui3bf35 Bell lost us that game

    • @johnwhitnel6961
      @johnwhitnel6961 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wolfboy8667yeah not putting fraley in was a massive mistake and they kept Diaz in for too long

  • @almightysosa3007
    @almightysosa3007 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s honestly amazing Bailey hasn’t been signed to be apart of some analytics department of a team yet. In due time my friend

  • @glireweatherwax8074
    @glireweatherwax8074 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something else I thought of about the lower approach angle is simple visual acuity. When a pitch comes down at you, you have a little more data on its angle and curve because it's slightly closer to seeing its trajectory from the side, so you have more of a chance to accurately understand where it's going. If a pitch is coming straight at you, it's coming straight at you, so you have less of that chance. Like how sometimes people will lose a fly ball because it was coming right at them, misjudging it as maybe being short when it was going over their head. I think there's a little bit of inherent ambiguity in having such a low approach angle that helps disguise the location of the pitch.

  • @horsemadeofhorses
    @horsemadeofhorses ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This got me thinking about other guys in the past who got away with a lighter velo fb but still pitched like guys with heavy stuff. John Maine was always throwing 90-92 down the pipe and blowing guys away, the booth would even say so. I wonder if his extension and arm angle data would align with this premise?

  • @kylekishimoto9150
    @kylekishimoto9150 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To my knowledge run value isn't just based on the last pitch of a PA, it applies to all pitches. The goal of it is to eliminate the bias that comes from "batters hit .XXX off his slider". The Statcast numbers show why the slider has a much better run value, it drew whiffs on 10% more swings and had a wOBA 100 points lower when put in play.

  • @evandillon5339
    @evandillon5339 ปีที่แล้ว

    this video was awsome! what a fun new stat to learn a bit about.

  • @brettanderson9793
    @brettanderson9793 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:37 - Ugh. I'm amped up. I like it. 💀

  • @connorsullivan9274
    @connorsullivan9274 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have become a baseball fan the last couple of years because of the sabermetrics portion of the game, and it is mostly due to this channel

  • @evanatkinson1946
    @evanatkinson1946 ปีที่แล้ว

    loved this vid bailey thank you

  • @didoma73
    @didoma73 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:07 this is the most effective explanation of VAA and why it matters that currently exists on the Internet

  • @Coy1750
    @Coy1750 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:42 has some REALLY REALLY unfortunate graphics on the ad behind home plate when you overlay like that.

  • @Top10-r1z2n
    @Top10-r1z2n ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was just wondering if you could do a video on Christian Javier and why he was so dominant last year but isn’t this year

  • @andrewaaberg482
    @andrewaaberg482 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your breakdowns dude, didn't find this channel until today but I love your other Foolish vids too. Keep them coming!

  • @pronouncednic
    @pronouncednic ปีที่แล้ว

    oh boy, my lover foolish bailey released a new video!

  • @TheTEN24
    @TheTEN24 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this video, he definitely manipulates his fastball to where it is deceiving and has a rise or ride to it. Still wish we could have him on the Mets but he’s just too good

  • @TheNookOfficial
    @TheNookOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Has not allowed a single home run [off the fastball]" Rough time to post that after last night lol

  • @nicksquier175
    @nicksquier175 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wonder what degrom's perceived fastball velocity is. I know he gets crazy extension off the mound

    • @FoolishBailey
      @FoolishBailey  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He has flatter VAA than the majority as well

    • @haydenlewis3570
      @haydenlewis3570 ปีที่แล้ว

      avg velo of 98.4, perceived of 99.4

  • @GainesvilleBlitzballLeague
    @GainesvilleBlitzballLeague ปีที่แล้ว

    Favorite baseball youtuber

  • @gagevsgage
    @gagevsgage ปีที่แล้ว

    Phenomenal Video

  • @StupendousSport
    @StupendousSport ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! For a while, I’ve been wondering why pitchers with similar peripherals can vary so drastically in effectiveness.

  • @jesalbov
    @jesalbov ปีที่แล้ว

    Good data analytics skills !

  • @enriquebaseballer469
    @enriquebaseballer469 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, super informative!

  • @joshuastar77
    @joshuastar77 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please make a video about Dane Dunning. He's the Rangers starting pitcher who started in the bullpen this year, but returned as a starter this year. His fastball is only 91-92 MPH, but has an awesome slider and pitches to contact.

  • @austinclay1555
    @austinclay1555 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video

  • @mistahswags
    @mistahswags ปีที่แล้ว

    Blud crushed my soul at a recent Cubs game. Nothing but sliders and everyone bit lol😊

  • @thethomaslampe
    @thethomaslampe ปีที่แล้ว

    I was playing smb against my friend and I did bring you in and I did not know you were left handed which is cool because so am I

  • @arthurcurry4335
    @arthurcurry4335 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome vid!

  • @bryanbranham9322
    @bryanbranham9322 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spinrate on Diaz fastball is what makes that pitch so effective.

  • @christ6345
    @christ6345 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Pitchers are tall people who stand on a hill” print the shirts.

  • @Matt-nt2lm
    @Matt-nt2lm ปีที่แล้ว

    MORE IRL BASEBALL DEMONSTRATIONS BAILEY 🗣️🗣️🗣️

  • @hclaymore
    @hclaymore ปีที่แล้ว

    great video bailey, also I love you

  • @alex__825
    @alex__825 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bailey was thinking I feel like a good video you could make is finding the most average player in the majors who has played a decent amount. Havent really found a player like that

  • @samc1253
    @samc1253 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:39 art

  • @admiralpatton5716
    @admiralpatton5716 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lane Thomas just took his fastball deep last night. That's an unfortunate jinx by you.

  • @wiguy94
    @wiguy94 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can someone explain how you find those perceived velocity numbers on baseball savant?

  • @vincepaperclip7874
    @vincepaperclip7874 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:53 dope angle on that pitch

  • @cnking27
    @cnking27 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do your spin the other way on the sidearm demonstration…the sidearm 4 seamer cuts arm side, like a screwball. 2 seamers and changeups will have that same movement with good spin.

  • @playhard1337
    @playhard1337 ปีที่แล้ว

    Top tier content. 👍

  • @ionlyhavegoodtakes
    @ionlyhavegoodtakes 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have never played baseball in my life. I wouldn't even know where to start with a ball, bat, or glove but goddammit if I'm not sitting here tb "yep yep but his extension IS longer and that plus his vertical launch and sidearm..." lmao Foolish is a big reason I watch baseball now simply bc this shit is so damn nerdy, niche, and plain cool to learn.

  • @crystal_pepsi
    @crystal_pepsi ปีที่แล้ว

    Paul Sewald mentioned!!

  • @OttoDayZ
    @OttoDayZ ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see a series like this done for all closers....like a 30 in 30 maybe?

  • @R-SuperFrando
    @R-SuperFrando ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Run from it, hide from it, dread it, the Tim Keefe video is waiting

  • @AltruiSisu
    @AltruiSisu ปีที่แล้ว

    Bailey knows SMB4! Yessssss!

  • @peacebone8112
    @peacebone8112 ปีที่แล้ว

    So in your explanation of "contact happy zone" it seems like you're saying that because batters have a certain expectation of a league average pitcher, they slightly adjust their swing, and so it's important for pitchers to simply be away from that average in terms of VAA, not simply a low number. Is that actually true, or is it actually advantageous to be specifically low with VAA? I.e. would a VAA that's significantly higher than league average also be similarly advantageous? (I'm not really convinced such a thing would be possible, as you'd probably have to be absurdly tall or something for such a thing to be realistic) More of a thought experiment than anything.

    • @FoolishBailey
      @FoolishBailey  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. Exactly. Cookie cutter gets hit hard. Being an outlier in either direction is better.

  • @gavinr1425
    @gavinr1425 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've never really looked into this, but I know that lowering the mound back around 1968 led to a pretty consistent gradual increase in leaguewide offense and this was done pretty intentionally. The thing that makes me think is that this is basically the antithesis of having the crazy effective flat fastball, and yet both having a higher mound and having a low vertical approach angle are both seemingly positive influences on pitching. Maybe the higher mound doesn't help fastballs, but significantly helps breaking pitches. I'd want to get to the bottom of this.

  • @JanklebeeGumpstump
    @JanklebeeGumpstump ปีที่แล้ว

    so what your saying is short torso is the new inefficiency, long stride, low release

  • @henrymattingly1341
    @henrymattingly1341 ปีที่แล้ว

    People look at velo stats and decide if a player is mid or not, he is effective, he’s a very good reliever, does it matter how he his fb looks if he’s effective?

  • @Datfunkykuedood
    @Datfunkykuedood ปีที่แล้ว

    6:35 holy shit Bailey is jacked

  • @cherryoghaze
    @cherryoghaze ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ah yes, the Carter Capps strat

  • @bfly6984
    @bfly6984 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best video

  • @gosato
    @gosato ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don’t forget Koji Uehara’s fastball is too slow but so efficient

  • @somerandomguy5977
    @somerandomguy5977 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Seeing how much average velocity has grown in the past 15 years it's no wonder everyone and their mom is getting tommy john.

    • @Weaponator18
      @Weaponator18 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Add in the fact kids are throwing offspeed stuff, not playing other sports, and playing all year round for much longer; and Tommy John Surgery is a borderline prerequisite to play in mlb now.

  • @aljon5947
    @aljon5947 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok but high VAA opens up more pitching options. You can be more deceptive with your downward breaking balls because the “hop” out of the hand is less noticeable.

  • @TCSTrey
    @TCSTrey ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great explanation! I knew his elite extension was a reason for his fastball’s success, but I didn’t know about VAA and how he’s able to stay on top of his fastball even with a low arm angle.

  • @capraagricola
    @capraagricola ปีที่แล้ว

    Luis Castillo and Emmet Sheehan are 2 more VAA guys :)

  • @bobsmith3966
    @bobsmith3966 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you post more plz

  • @andrewdowner3493
    @andrewdowner3493 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a low VAA guy myself, I can tell you that it gives you a major advantage, especially if you’re still able to generate any kind of spin efficiency/backspin. I didn’t throw hard, but could still “gas guys up” by attacking the upper quadrant of the zone with a 4 seamer. Sort of unconventional compared to what the norm is for low VAA guys, as they usually throw sinkers/2sFBs with lower spin efficiencies. Diaz looks like a miserable AB.
    Other thing to note is pitch usage. Only 50% FBs, keeping dudes off balance and guessing

    • @andrewdowner3493
      @andrewdowner3493 ปีที่แล้ว

      As I typed this, you started explaining exactly my point 😂😂

  • @CTrimis
    @CTrimis ปีที่แล้ว

    The Mariners pitching dev team is way ahead on this stuff, and they're reaping the benefits. Notice how many of those leaderboards are populated by M's or former M's.

  • @gabrielctrevino
    @gabrielctrevino ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The devil works hard, but Bailey works harder

  • @tylerwood5642
    @tylerwood5642 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro just released a baseball bits on his second channel.

  • @Johan_Kia
    @Johan_Kia ปีที่แล้ว

    Spencer Strider being short makes me wonder what this data would look like for prime tim lincecum

    • @Johan_Kia
      @Johan_Kia ปีที่แล้ว

      Also curious about what this data looks like for tyler rogers

  • @graham2977
    @graham2977 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Naturally Lane Thomas took Diaz' fastball deep last night lol

  • @ZoePengers
    @ZoePengers ปีที่แล้ว

    this just made me sad we dont have paul sewald anymore

  • @MatteR8
    @MatteR8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jolly olive and foolish baseball collab?

  • @bingus_69
    @bingus_69 ปีที่แล้ว

    What did we learn today? Michael Grove needs to lower his arm slot on his fastball delivery

  • @b1646717
    @b1646717 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The guns are 6:35 are gonna get you demonetized.

  • @willcusic7339
    @willcusic7339 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who’s here after Lane Thomas just took his fastball yard

  • @danielclark4624
    @danielclark4624 ปีที่แล้ว

    future met alexis diaz

  • @CadChamberlain
    @CadChamberlain ปีที่แล้ว

    THROW EM THE BREAKER BAILEY

  • @TheoR39
    @TheoR39 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is why you should be in the BBWAA

  • @mickmichmerhuizen249
    @mickmichmerhuizen249 ปีที่แล้ว

    W

  • @Sandul666
    @Sandul666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seeing Bryan woo all over these charts makes me realize he has a lot more potential as a starter if he refines his stamina and pitch accuracy

  • @witgiz
    @witgiz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why Nate Mclouth Isn’t MID

  • @Tuhler
    @Tuhler ปีที่แล้ว

    reverse jinx diaz gave up a homerun last night 😞

  • @artvandelay94
    @artvandelay94 ปีที่แล้ว

    who said he's mid?

  • @CrownedStub47
    @CrownedStub47 ปีที่แล้ว

    He gave up a home run on the fastball a few days ago… you jinxed it :(

  • @zachsegal7922
    @zachsegal7922 ปีที่แล้ว

    VAA supremacy. There’s a lot of ways to get ride on a FB other than high spin and high IVB!!

  • @danielc2545
    @danielc2545 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MID - Inspired by Jake Storiale

  • @KeegoTheWise
    @KeegoTheWise ปีที่แล้ว

    nothing wrong with being mid, just means you’re better than half the league
    -me, from the apex of the bell curve

  • @chasemetzger8696
    @chasemetzger8696 ปีที่แล้ว

    😮

  • @benkelly7499
    @benkelly7499 ปีที่แล้ว

    God I miss Paul Sewald