@@mrheadcannon People are not aware of Peter Parker's story, for them he could easily be a mutant. There's no difference between Tigra and Beast, Human Torch and Iceman or Magick and Doctor Strange in the eye of the public. People hate X-men because they are a suprematist and isolationist club of karens who loves to remark to be different from the rest of humanity. Avengers are heroes who try to integrate among common people, that's why mutants are beloved when they are in the ranks of avengers: Beast, Rogue, Wolverine, Storm, Scarlet, Quicksilver, even Namor have been seen and considered as true heroes by people when they behaved as that, stopping to act like X-men.
@@chimera916 Exactly. Do you think the average citizen knows how the avengers or Spider-Man got their powers? No person knows that avengers or Spider-Man are not mutants.
It’s just as ultron says: “you want to protect the world; but you don’t want it to change. How is humanity saved if it’s not allowed to evolve.” That in itself is the reason why I prefer the x-men to the avengers, they are fight for a better future for all of humanity both mutant and human alike whilst the avengers fight to keep the statue quo the same. Whether the avengers like it or not change is inevitable.
X-Men just feels more adult than the Avengers. The main threat of prejudice against the mutants is their biggest issue, and to me, that prejudice is never shown in the Avengers. Everyone is just praised as a hero for doing stuff to save others in the Avengers, but in the X-Men, they are seen not as heroes, but villains. Even though they help humans (some of them) most humans don’t like them and fear them.
@@CanInThePan Because in the X-Men, mutants are seen as the next step in evolution, and the humans are afraid that evolution will leave them behind. The supers in the avengers, are NOT mutants. I’m pretty sure they classify as mutates instead.
@@Smirk_Blur Well most of them are mutates and I know what you mean, it’s just that the running theme of prejudice against the X-Men makes it feel more adult in tone. Atleast to me.
That’s actually incredibly deep. Avengers really fight against change but without change the x men only fight for it. They really have almost opposite motives.
X-Men stories tend to be either sophomoric drama or Prof X and Magneto splitting the kids after their divorce along with Charles Xavier yelling "eRiK dOnT dO iT" over and over and over.
I can sum it up simply. The X Men's core story was an analogy for bigotry. That's why the X Men as a story lasted for decades. It forced people to look at the ugly mirror of judging a group of people and tried to be fair to all perspectives. Example. You have Professor X with an idealistic philosophy, while Magneto shares some sentiments with Professor X, Magneto sees his "race" as a superior evolution. Then you have the human side that actually have a legit reason to fear mutants and have seen bad mutants do real world damage. What I loved about the X Men is exploring these ideas. The Avengers was never meant to be an analogy for a segment of society.
I’m an X-men fan for life. Love all comicbook creations but Xmen takes the cake for me. I just resonate with the themes, allegories, symbolism, concept, characters & stories more than say the Avengers, Justice League etc. A traditional superhero or superhero team is sound but I like the idea of mutants who are not vigilantes, heroes or villains it’s more complex than that. Instead they are survivors. Their powers and capabilities are simply ingenious. Rather than a super-soldier, Demi-god, king or vigilante, their powers are genetically based. The concept of mutation is lucrative because there’s so many possibilities as what type of superpower a character can posses. There’s no limits but there are levels. The logic behind mutant powers and the portrayal of said powers is rather fascinating to me. Telepaths, telekinetics, shapeshifters, reality warpers, speedsters, elementals, energy manipulators, psionic users etc. X-men storytelling is the paragon of fiction, fantasy and science rolled into one. The stories tend to be more dramatic, consequential, dark and gritty which I love. There’s so much diversity in character too, from Storm to Deadpool, Beast to Iceman, Rogue to Emma Frost, Sinister to Cyclops, Wolverine to Xavier. You are spoiled for choice.
The problem is "evolution" isn't a thing they have to worry about. More like. "Oh that guys weird." Vs a whole race is being birthed genetically to replace us. With superheros I guess a human can also kinda be one. You can't just be a mutant though in the mutant world. The first mutant was probably not as scary as an evolutionary threat. 1 Spiderman doesn't change anything. A lot of babies being born with Spiderman jeans is kinda scary😂. It's a different story
@@cold485 In-universe the first Mutant wanted to be a god and nearly started the Apocalypse. (Assuming X-Men:Apocalypse is consistent with the original lore.)
This is why I've always felt like mutants and the x men feel like they should be part of their own separate universe. The average human isn't going to know how a super got their powers, but somehow they know to discriminate against mutants and not mutates.
how do people in universe manage to see the difference on if someone is a mutant or not a mutant? it is not like they have stories telling them how each superhero got their powers like how we can read their comic books, watch movies, etc.
Me personally, i think its rather stupid people fear mutants. I mean, literally, if mutants were real, i could've been standing right next to one and it wouldn't make a difference. Plus, even when some characters arent mutants, they could present themselves as a mutant. Juggernaut, deadpool, Spider-Man and even hulk can be classed this way. Spider-Man and nightcrawler can both cling to surfaces Juggernaut isnt a mutant but people often think he is. And its a common misconception. Hulk may not have had powers from birth, but he is similar to beast, who is a mutant. They both have genius intellect, both have a skin color that isnt normal, and both have enhanced physical attributes. Even tony stark and bastion can be similar since they both are intimately associated with tech. Sometimes even enhanced physical attributes and senses are a mutant ability. Wolverine is a mutant with enhanced senses, and daredevil is human with heightened senses at the cost of being blind. And not everyone fears daredevil. Some find him intimidating but he isnt a mutant.
To play devils advocate, in the real world you don't need lots of people to create massive amounts of death and destruction. Example, if you look up crime stats or terrorism stats, you will find that roughly 5% of the human population actually does criminal violence. That means 95% are good or at least non violent. Yet those 5% are the reason we have militaries, cops, prisons, and lots of mourning families. What I'm pointing out is the power of 1 person focused of harm and how that plays out in loss of life in the real world. I person can kill many people. They can inspire uprising and chaos. They can create nightmares in history. NOW I want to to imagine that one person now has Mutant powers that science can barely understand since its unique from person to person. In the wrong hands, that kind of person should be feared.
If you were a mutant it would make a difference Firstly it depends on what kind of mutant you are You could be like Kitty Pryde, Professor X, Magneto, etc. If you don't use your abilities no one would know unless you tell them But if you are like Cyclopes then just by opening your eyes, you are a terrorist. Destroying infrastructure and killing a great number of people. You can get the really short end of the stick and be a mutant who can evaporate the people around you just by being in close proximity to others. Secondly, job security. Mutants are better humans so they are better workers and so there is less of a need for you. People hate AI and immigrants because of job security. Mutants are like immigrants on crack, they'll take your job and do it 10x better Thirdly people would fear being the subject of bigotry As stated Mutants are just better humans. If the Mutants draw the line between being one and not, giving out special benefits to Mutants and treating non-mutants badly. Is that not fearful to you? What if they decide that Mutant kind are the new Apex race and everything/everyone else are considered animals There are plenty of things to fear about the Mutant population Being a Mutant and not being one is a clear divide and it doesn't help that one species is far superior than the other If Mutants existed in real life It would be nothing like the comics cause there really is nothing humanity could do to stop radical mutants and there would be no point in going to war with mutants as anyone with half a brain cell would understand the fact humanity would lose a all out battle. Might as well live with them and hope they don't abuse the powers they have. Just let humanity go extinct as the mutant population just takes over
i agree but thats what the xmen are wrote about thats what their comics stand for, its kinda hard to see how they live in the same world as the avengers esp when their comics are so extreme.
To me the X-Men are bigger and better heroes than the Avengers because they fight for a world that hates and fears them, but they still go out of their way to help people and protect the world in spite of all the hate and intolerance.
people do hate them, but not because they are diffrent, hulk is only hated because of his potential distruction, and spidey is hated because of jameson
Well J. Jonah Jameson hates Spider-Man for personal reasons. They are still being criticised though as Hulk is being hunted by the government and J. Jonah Loudmouth doesn't wanna stop ranting about Spider-Man.
@@Teenpool2009 I thought, at least, way back in the day, that the cops would go after Spider-Man because they thought he was actually helping some of the criminals instead of attacking them. Also, I think people in NYC generally were split on how they felt about SM, depending on whether he personally helped them. Hulk, though, DEFINITELY has hate. And for good reason, at least back in the day. He was tearing up towns left and right.
Avengers feel like royalty or the favourite child who gets all the good shit, x-men feel like DC or a middle child who many don’t really care much about who just exist for the sake of existing is the beat way i can describe it
No, x-men are an isolationist and suprematist club who love to remark their differences, avengers are heroes who accept everyone and integrate themselves among common people... That why people love mutants when they act like avengers instead of racist karens (Beast, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Scarlet, Quicksilver, Sunspot, Cannonball... Even Namor)
@@chimera916Dude, what are you talking about? A “suprematist club” wouldn’t be saving humans and literally going to war with magneto, you know, the guy who hates humans! When are they being racist?! (Edit: they remark their differences because that’s whats special about them, and they are not “isolationists” they literally accept humans at Xavier’s school alongside mutants. please use your brain for the purpose it was given to you for)
The real reason is cause the XMen have always been an Allegory for Civil rights. Yes they are all from the same marvel universe but specifically the writers of the x men wanted to right about a group of misfits who were discriminated against by society but still wants to help , sorta like a Diverse Cop or Diverse Doctor . However this underlining meaning is not in the avengers story's because that's just a super hero team up group the writers didn't shove the double meaning of civil rights in there
in summary when weif saw an incredibly talented person whos human (mutate) such as in photography we like them even cheered for them and in the other hand we fear of ai (mutant) taking over illustration industry and replacing talented people
Whoever said they hated the X-Men. The X-Men have been the most brilliant superhero family forces since, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee era in 1963 plus, the films were so appropriately well written and have been #1 box office hits since, 2000s😢
@@mymagicisntgivingup5908 the avengers are a government backed superhero organization that everyone knows about the X-men are a privately funded organization that only recruits mutants
The real reason the xmen are hated so much was bc it was wrote that way lol, the writers intentionally did that for a comparision to similar things in the real world. The problem is that doesnt work too well in the modern day, there is no way that most humans would fear mutants like that. They dont even know how the other superhero's got their powers anyways so irl they would probably think their mutants. Even if people were scared of them no one would allow people to get percecuted and mass murdered by sentinals both humans and mutants would stand up against that esp nowdays. Its not our fault the writers decided to make their world so extreme, like instead of peaceful protest you see mutants in movies raiding the white house demanding for equality... you see what i mean by they write their world is so extreme LOL, like thats not helping and irl i dont think anyone would do stuff like that. It honestly makes it hard to see how they live in the same world as the avengers. So instead of it being tame and like mutants begging for equality, which they would probably get irl in a more accepting society, they are wrote in extreme ways and hated in extreme ways which is supposed to be fueled by fear but comes off borderline racist. Which honestly makes it hard to read sometimes but i still love the xmen tho.
@TheTrueZenix If Mutants existed today there’s no way that they would exist side by side. A society cannot function if part of the population has superhuman abilities and another doesn’t.
You must be really naive to think that mutants would not be feared or secretly targeted and inspected about in the real world if they existed. X Men is written pretty well and even the Fox ones are better than most MCU imo. It's the fans who forgive MCU more than they do for XMen including the continuity issues.
If mutants existed I’d fear them, heck I’d fear anyone with a superpower mutant or not, not to mention the vast variety of powers mutants get it can be tame or absolutely devastating and sometimes they can’t even control said powers.
No one knows who spidey is so it makes no sense he’s not under constant suspicions of being a mutant even without JJJ. Some writers do that but for the most part the X-men are extremely out of place in the marvel universe as their stories and world feel so tremendously disconnected from the wider marvel universe most of the time. And that’s really i feel the bigger issue when people point out this hypocrisy. Because most marvel stories don’t involve mutants or their presence in the world.
But people do fear and hate both Spider-Man and the Hulk. Spider-Man is hated because he wears a mask and Jamison made anti-Spider-Man a full time. Hulk is hated and feared because he has gone on rampages or lost control in the past.
But no one knows Spiderman's origin? Literally, people would assume he is a mutant, which is also why he doesn't want to reveal his identity. Its just that xmen worked at first because it was made without it being colluded with the avengers unkverse
But how would the average joe know? Alot of these superheroes hide their identity, and im sure they hide the way they got their powers to so no one can recreate it or have their personal information leaked. A lot of these heros and mutants try to cost the least casualties and damage has possible. But if someone family member dies because a fight between superhumans happens that they can't stop, i highly doubt that, that said person is going to be "it's ok its spiderman, he didn't mean to kill those hundreds of people including my son. It was the villain who threw him at those stone pillars causing the building to collapse. But those mutants though..." Its just doesn't make sense to me. But then again have real life ever made sense.
The issue with mutants in the marvel universe is that they represent a dangerous weapon. People are afraid of them because of their destructive power. A single teenage mutant in high school could easily kill all of his classmates. Imagine if cyclops walked into a shopping mall and decided to just shoot everyone. Humans would have no chance. That's why there are examples of the mutant registration act. A single powerful mutant could serve as a weapon of mass destruction. even low level mutants like sabertooth have killed scores of humans for fun.
@@RajivKumar-xp9qn Your argument also fails when you ignore that the mutants aren’t just villains, that’s generalizing an entire race. You’re also forgetting that 9/10 the “bad guy” mutants are against humans for a reason.
@@Smirk_Blur Telling humans, that it is their fault is difficult. It's easier to blame the others If a black slave were to kill his slave owner, he would be seen by whites as the bad guy, not the only who enslaved him
No explination will ever make sens. If it were the NUhumans(hybrid descendant of inhumans & humans), I wouod defenetly understand the hate since they are the result of an alien experiment from an alien race trying to extand their empire
It’s because of movie representation Avengers got cool movies that can appeal to all with a lot of cool action and a loveable cast So everyone who hasn’t read the comics see the Avengers as the face of marvel The X-men probably did have a couple good movies as they were milking Wolverine but it was old timey so people don’t really re-watch it unless they are a diehard fan of x-men They even messed up the X-men costumes making them all black instead of the unique colors that actually gave them cool designs So everyone associates the Movie X-men with all X-men
pretty sure peopple dont know hulk and spidermans origin story in the marvel verse to say they are diffrent from mutants mutants dont even make sense to me considering they are so much yet they are never really shown how can the entire world be in danger and not one mutant with powers step up marvel messed up when creating the mutant idea and impplicating it into the same universe as other heroes
I always found it weird how stryker in the comics is a religious extremist who believes Mutants are basically abominations in the eyes of God yet ignores literal Gods like Thor or Zeus
Used to be 20 years ago b/w 1990s to early 00s Avengers are far bigger after 2010s. X-Men don't come close to them None of the Fox X-Men movies grossed 1 billion dollar meanwhile Avengers regularly cross 1 billion+ or even 2 billion+
That's a rather weaka$$ argument. The X-Men are feared because they were born this way, the avengers are not because they have mutated... I mean, can't we just accept that the X-Men writers couldn't be bothered about a more nuanced approach and just went for the us vs them rhetoric which is deep and layered lol.
It wouldn’t bother me at all if mutants replace humanity and, based on their bigoted and violent behaviors towards mutants, perhaps it’s better that way. The Avengers are too afraid to solve the core problems, which is why the X-Men are better.
Mutants and humans are the exact same fundamentally. You think people with an oppressed past don't act the same later on, or don't repeat the cycle in spite?
@@muyeonglee2682 What matters is that mutants have been oppressed for too long and humans are apparently incapable of peacefully coexisting with them. Mutants want to be respected and accepted, but the humans drew first blood.
@@michaelmonthey5974 if such a thing occurred in reality and the mutants were worthy enough to be considered a threat, either they would have been stopped right at the start or much more likely, they would have enslaved the humans. Unfortunately that's not a good thing to write in a comic which humans are gonna read 😂
I have 2 questions 1. You think the Avengers should be punished for not doing anything enough or keep the status quo? 2. Let's say Mutants have finally rule the Earth with no humans left. Do you really think they won't repeat the same mistakes? Will they stay one big happy family until the end of time?
@@UnrealNeoBat The Avengers deserve criticism for not going after humans who control big corporations or human terrorists since human authority figures are too corrupt to do anything about it, and for not helping the mutants in any way. Since humans cause too many problems and are too stubborn to accept mutants into society, they deserve to be replaced by mutants.
Nah most of the Infinity Saga were worse than X Men movies imo. X Men does not have a single bad film like few of the Infinity Saga films. The worst were Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse and still I would say they were better than some of the Thor sequels and movies like Captain Marvel.
Not a not comic book reader but i have seen all the X-Men films and all the Marvel films and I like Avengers way more than X-Men because Avengers feels like a group of powerful individuals with mutual interest but not a family but X-Men feels like a family so technically X-Men should be better right but no that's because of different kind of ideology between the members of Avengers watching them interacting feels interesting but watching X-Men doesn't and name "Avengers" is way cooler than "X-Men" and X-Men is mainly about Xavier, Logan and Magneto in Films and their stories always revolves around saving Mutants from Humans but Avengers is like group of superhero come together only if there is a high dangerous threat. So that premiumness comes with Avengers.
im the opposite tbh i prefer xmen movies way more than avengers. bit more of a serious and dark undertone to the xmen movies and more relatable and more original in ways.
cuz the avengers movies were more comic accurate, with charm and comedy, minimal cringe the X-Men movies were not very comic accurate, some comedy, questionable casting
I think the new X-Men should take place in a new reality where the Avengers don’t exist and the X-Men are an established team. Kinda go for the same tone and style as X-Men 97. Probably go for more modern timeline or maybe take it to the 90’s like the animated series.
Nothing stopping Marvel from doing that but that is too good of an idea, so Marvel won't do it. I have said for years how an overloaded superhero world makes no sense in the long term. The world works in balance. You would think with so many God like heroes, you would have solved all of the worlds issues and many of which would prevent many of the reasons people become super villians in the first place.
1:17 I mean, in most stories Spider-man and Hulk are pretty divisive figures in universe. Some stories even accuse Spidey of being a mutant.
It depends on the writers, but that's mostly Jameson trying to make Spidey look bad. Generally he doesn't have such a bad reputation as the mutants.
@@mrheadcannon People are not aware of Peter Parker's story, for them he could easily be a mutant.
There's no difference between Tigra and Beast, Human Torch and Iceman or Magick and Doctor Strange in the eye of the public.
People hate X-men because they are a suprematist and isolationist club of karens who loves to remark to be different from the rest of humanity.
Avengers are heroes who try to integrate among common people, that's why mutants are beloved when they are in the ranks of avengers: Beast, Rogue, Wolverine, Storm, Scarlet, Quicksilver, even Namor have been seen and considered as true heroes by people when they behaved as that, stopping to act like X-men.
@@chimera916 Exactly. Do you think the average citizen knows how the avengers or Spider-Man got their powers? No person knows that avengers or Spider-Man are not mutants.
@@chimera916 You are citing the last 5 years worth of stories, which are horrible mischaracterizations.
It’s just as ultron says: “you want to protect the world; but you don’t want it to change. How is humanity saved if it’s not allowed to evolve.” That in itself is the reason why I prefer the x-men to the avengers, they are fight for a better future for all of humanity both mutant and human alike whilst the avengers fight to keep the statue quo the same. Whether the avengers like it or not change is inevitable.
X-Men just feels more adult than the Avengers.
The main threat of prejudice against the mutants is their biggest issue, and to me, that prejudice is never shown in the Avengers. Everyone is just praised as a hero for doing stuff to save others in the Avengers, but in the X-Men, they are seen not as heroes, but villains. Even though they help humans (some of them) most humans don’t like them and fear them.
@@CanInThePan Because in the X-Men, mutants are seen as the next step in evolution, and the humans are afraid that evolution will leave them behind. The supers in the avengers, are NOT mutants. I’m pretty sure they classify as mutates instead.
@@Smirk_Blur Well most of them are mutates and I know what you mean, it’s just that the running theme of prejudice against the X-Men makes it feel more adult in tone. Atleast to me.
@@CanInThePan Yea, that makes sense
That’s actually incredibly deep. Avengers really fight against change but without change the x men only fight for it. They really have almost opposite motives.
you earned a sub with this video, you explained it really well and the references to the 97 series checks out.
Thanks! 🤗
X-men are better than avengers when their stories are actually done right.
blame Bryan Singer
Dude this guy is talking about why the x men are hated IN the MARVEL universe not by us irl
X-Men stories tend to be either sophomoric drama or Prof X and Magneto splitting the kids after their divorce along with Charles Xavier yelling "eRiK dOnT dO iT" over and over and over.
Fax’s
are actually done right?? stop the delusional, i would say equal good. no damn way x-men would better than avengers
I can sum it up simply. The X Men's core story was an analogy for bigotry. That's why the X Men as a story lasted for decades. It forced people to look at the ugly mirror of judging a group of people and tried to be fair to all perspectives. Example. You have Professor X with an idealistic philosophy, while Magneto shares some sentiments with Professor X, Magneto sees his "race" as a superior evolution. Then you have the human side that actually have a legit reason to fear mutants and have seen bad mutants do real world damage. What I loved about the X Men is exploring these ideas. The Avengers was never meant to be an analogy for a segment of society.
Nah it's not that deep. They just haven't gotten good adaptations
I’m an X-men fan for life. Love all comicbook creations but Xmen takes the cake for me. I just resonate with the themes, allegories, symbolism, concept, characters & stories more than say the Avengers, Justice League etc.
A traditional superhero or superhero team is sound but I like the idea of mutants who are not vigilantes, heroes or villains it’s more complex than that. Instead they are survivors. Their powers and capabilities are simply ingenious. Rather than a super-soldier, Demi-god, king or vigilante, their powers are genetically based.
The concept of mutation is lucrative because there’s so many possibilities as what type of superpower a character can posses. There’s no limits but there are levels. The logic behind mutant powers and the portrayal of said powers is rather fascinating to me. Telepaths, telekinetics, shapeshifters, reality warpers, speedsters, elementals, energy manipulators, psionic users etc. X-men storytelling is the paragon of fiction, fantasy and science rolled into one. The stories tend to be more dramatic, consequential, dark and gritty which I love.
There’s so much diversity in character too, from Storm to Deadpool, Beast to Iceman, Rogue to Emma Frost, Sinister to Cyclops, Wolverine to Xavier. You are spoiled for choice.
I'd like to see Wolverine and Iron Man get together.😊
I mean they both died heroes in their own universes in Endgame and Logan perspectively 😅
I will always like the X-Men more than The Avengers
Yeah tell me about it, anti heroes like Deadpool, wolverine, punisher, etc are far cooler than those lame boring ass avengers
@@joshuamatthias2173 I don’t think you know what anti hero means
@rjk537 Ur just another lame ass avengers fan hahahaha, of course I know what an anti hero means
@@joshuamatthias2173 okay lol, live in your own world then
Edge lord alert @@joshuamatthias2173
Honestly the people who love the Avengers but hate the mutant race in the marvel universe are just hypocrites
But how are people gona know how Spider-Man got his powers? They can think his a mutant or hulk too
Well the mutants are like vegans
if they are one, you're going to know cause every other sentence is how they are one
The anti-mutant prejudice makes a lot more sense (vis à vis worldbuilding) in the Fox movies
The problem is "evolution" isn't a thing they have to worry about.
More like. "Oh that guys weird."
Vs a whole race is being birthed genetically to replace us.
With superheros I guess a human can also kinda be one. You can't just be a mutant though in the mutant world.
The first mutant was probably not as scary as an evolutionary threat.
1 Spiderman doesn't change anything. A lot of babies being born with Spiderman jeans is kinda scary😂. It's a different story
@@cold485 In-universe the first Mutant wanted to be a god and nearly started the Apocalypse. (Assuming X-Men:Apocalypse is consistent with the original lore.)
This is why I've always felt like mutants and the x men feel like they should be part of their own separate universe.
The average human isn't going to know how a super got their powers, but somehow they know to discriminate against mutants and not mutates.
how do people in universe manage to see the difference on if someone is a mutant or not a mutant? it is not like they have stories telling them how each superhero got their powers like how we can read their comic books, watch movies, etc.
Me personally, i think its rather stupid people fear mutants.
I mean, literally, if mutants were real, i could've been standing right next to one and it wouldn't make a difference.
Plus, even when some characters arent mutants, they could present themselves as a mutant.
Juggernaut, deadpool, Spider-Man and even hulk can be classed this way.
Spider-Man and nightcrawler can both cling to surfaces
Juggernaut isnt a mutant but people often think he is. And its a common misconception.
Hulk may not have had powers from birth, but he is similar to beast, who is a mutant. They both have genius intellect, both have a skin color that isnt normal, and both have enhanced physical attributes.
Even tony stark and bastion can be similar since they both are intimately associated with tech.
Sometimes even enhanced physical attributes and senses are a mutant ability.
Wolverine is a mutant with enhanced senses, and daredevil is human with heightened senses at the cost of being blind. And not everyone fears daredevil. Some find him intimidating but he isnt a mutant.
To play devils advocate, in the real world you don't need lots of people to create massive amounts of death and destruction. Example, if you look up crime stats or terrorism stats, you will find that roughly 5% of the human population actually does criminal violence. That means 95% are good or at least non violent. Yet those 5% are the reason we have militaries, cops, prisons, and lots of mourning families. What I'm pointing out is the power of 1 person focused of harm and how that plays out in loss of life in the real world. I person can kill many people. They can inspire uprising and chaos. They can create nightmares in history. NOW I want to to imagine that one person now has Mutant powers that science can barely understand since its unique from person to person. In the wrong hands, that kind of person should be feared.
If you were a mutant it would make a difference
Firstly it depends on what kind of mutant you are
You could be like Kitty Pryde, Professor X, Magneto, etc. If you don't use your abilities no one would know unless you tell them
But if you are like Cyclopes then just by opening your eyes, you are a terrorist. Destroying infrastructure and killing a great number of people.
You can get the really short end of the stick and be a mutant who can evaporate the people around you just by being in close proximity to others.
Secondly, job security.
Mutants are better humans so they are better workers and so there is less of a need for you.
People hate AI and immigrants because of job security. Mutants are like immigrants on crack, they'll take your job and do it 10x better
Thirdly people would fear being the subject of bigotry
As stated Mutants are just better humans. If the Mutants draw the line between being one and not, giving out special benefits to Mutants and treating non-mutants badly. Is that not fearful to you? What if they decide that Mutant kind are the new Apex race and everything/everyone else are considered animals
There are plenty of things to fear about the Mutant population
Being a Mutant and not being one is a clear divide and it doesn't help that one species is far superior than the other
If Mutants existed in real life
It would be nothing like the comics cause there really is nothing humanity could do to stop radical mutants
and there would be no point in going to war with mutants as anyone with half a brain cell would understand the fact humanity would lose a all out battle. Might as well live with them and hope they don't abuse the powers they have. Just let humanity go extinct as the mutant population just takes over
i agree but thats what the xmen are wrote about thats what their comics stand for, its kinda hard to see how they live in the same world as the avengers esp when their comics are so extreme.
To me the X-Men are bigger and better heroes than the Avengers because they fight for a world that hates and fears them, but they still go out of their way to help people and protect the world in spite of all the hate and intolerance.
SpiderMan literally stated why people hate the Xmen to their faces, he cussed them out
That was the ultimate universe and horribly out of character for everyone cause that universe had a weird thing about justifying mutant hate
Wait... People DO hate Hulk and Spider-Man. That's half their deal.
Nope.
Only Marvel writers
@@DanPankrat nope in universe too
people do hate them, but not because they are diffrent, hulk is only hated because of his potential distruction, and spidey is hated because of jameson
Well J. Jonah Jameson hates Spider-Man for personal reasons. They are still being criticised though as Hulk is being hunted by the government and J. Jonah Loudmouth doesn't wanna stop ranting about Spider-Man.
@@Teenpool2009 I thought, at least, way back in the day, that the cops would go after Spider-Man because they thought he was actually helping some of the criminals instead of attacking them.
Also, I think people in NYC generally were split on how they felt about SM, depending on whether he personally helped them.
Hulk, though, DEFINITELY has hate. And for good reason, at least back in the day. He was tearing up towns left and right.
Im way to high too be seeing a spider that close 😭
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@@lperezph I was joking bruh
Who the hell doesn't love the X-Men? My favorite character right now is Wolverine
Not what he istalking about
same, i loved him since i was like 7
Hes talkin about in universe
I’ve always preferred X-men over Avengers
The X-men casually use their powers to fuck with and threaten random people on the street (Mostly Wolverine threatening to stab people)
I wanna know how many people personally fear seeing the X-men just because of Wolverine getting drunk and rampaging through bars cutting people up
8:48 Storm can literally act as a power plant lol.
Farm energy off of lightning.
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Very informative and cool to watch. Thank you!
Just remember that Wolverine joined the Avengers in the comics.
Avengers feel like royalty or the favourite child who gets all the good shit, x-men feel like DC or a middle child who many don’t really care much about who just exist for the sake of existing is the beat way i can describe it
Ironic
No, x-men are an isolationist and suprematist club who love to remark their differences, avengers are heroes who accept everyone and integrate themselves among common people... That why people love mutants when they act like avengers instead of racist karens (Beast, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Scarlet, Quicksilver, Sunspot, Cannonball... Even Namor)
@@chimera916Dude, what are you talking about? A “suprematist club” wouldn’t be saving humans and literally going to war with magneto, you know, the guy who hates humans! When are they being racist?! (Edit: they remark their differences because that’s whats special about them, and they are not “isolationists” they literally accept humans at Xavier’s school alongside mutants. please use your brain for the purpose it was given to you for)
The X-Men are born with their powers while The Avengers got their powers by accident, experiment, or didn't have powers at all.
The real reason is cause the XMen have always been an Allegory for Civil rights. Yes they are all from the same marvel universe but specifically the writers of the x men wanted to right about a group of misfits who were discriminated against by society but still wants to help , sorta like a Diverse Cop or Diverse Doctor . However this underlining meaning is not in the avengers story's because that's just a super hero team up group the writers didn't shove the double meaning of civil rights in there
in summary when weif saw an incredibly talented person whos human (mutate) such as in photography we like them even cheered for them and in the other hand we fear of ai (mutant) taking over illustration industry and replacing talented people
I like the x men more than the avengers
And how would the population know that Spiderman is not a mutant?
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Wolverine should be the one to sacrifice himself to save the multiverse
But Spider-Man’s identity is secret right so how would anyone know that he’s not a mutant?
6:20 that's NOT Jean Grey, that's Madelyne Pryor! A clone created by Mr Sinister.
He says Jean’s CLONE
Whoever said they hated the X-Men. The X-Men have been the most brilliant superhero family forces since, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee era in 1963 plus, the films were so appropriately well written and have been #1 box office hits since, 2000s😢
That's because people fear mutants while they feel safe with The Avengers even though they can cause destruction similar to the X-Men did.
Well, Avengers are human with peak abilities and Mutants are new species.
@@mymagicisntgivingup5908 the avengers are a government backed superhero organization that everyone knows about the X-men are a privately funded organization that only recruits mutants
Would the Fantastic Four count as mutates?
No, they got their powers from space
Reed's son is a mutant tho
2:04 Shouldn't they hate him more?
Well this aged well
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You explained it pretty good.
The real reason the xmen are hated so much was bc it was wrote that way lol, the writers intentionally did that for a comparision to similar things in the real world. The problem is that doesnt work too well in the modern day, there is no way that most humans would fear mutants like that. They dont even know how the other superhero's got their powers anyways so irl they would probably think their mutants. Even if people were scared of them no one would allow people to get percecuted and mass murdered by sentinals both humans and mutants would stand up against that esp nowdays. Its not our fault the writers decided to make their world so extreme, like instead of peaceful protest you see mutants in movies raiding the white house demanding for equality... you see what i mean by they write their world is so extreme LOL, like thats not helping and irl i dont think anyone would do stuff like that. It honestly makes it hard to see how they live in the same world as the avengers. So instead of it being tame and like mutants begging for equality, which they would probably get irl in a more accepting society, they are wrote in extreme ways and hated in extreme ways which is supposed to be fueled by fear but comes off borderline racist. Which honestly makes it hard to read sometimes but i still love the xmen tho.
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If Mutants existed today there’s no way that they would exist side by side. A society cannot function if part of the population has superhuman abilities and another doesn’t.
You must be really naive to think that mutants would not be feared or secretly targeted and inspected about in the real world if they existed. X Men is written pretty well and even the Fox ones are better than most MCU imo. It's the fans who forgive MCU more than they do for XMen including the continuity issues.
@@_sayan_roy_ yes they would probably get discriminated and targeted but it definitely would not be to the scale as the xmen media.
If mutants existed I’d fear them, heck I’d fear anyone with a superpower mutant or not, not to mention the vast variety of powers mutants get it can be tame or absolutely devastating and sometimes they can’t even control said powers.
This makes so much sense damn
X-men is about racism…that’s why
I always wondered why all the xmen films have bad endings where the humans never win.
Who hates the xmen?Is this from inside the comics point of view ?
It is
Xmen are awesome, I wasn’t aware that people like more avengers?
He is talking about in MCU universe. People fear the mutants and love the avengers . That's what he is talking about
What? People love X men way more then the Avengers, you do realize. Oh, i thought this was a meta video talking about the audience. I get it now
No one knows who spidey is so it makes no sense he’s not under constant suspicions of being a mutant even without JJJ. Some writers do that but for the most part the X-men are extremely out of place in the marvel universe as their stories and world feel so tremendously disconnected from the wider marvel universe most of the time. And that’s really i feel the bigger issue when people point out this hypocrisy. Because most marvel stories don’t involve mutants or their presence in the world.
But people do fear and hate both Spider-Man and the Hulk.
Spider-Man is hated because he wears a mask and Jamison made anti-Spider-Man a full time.
Hulk is hated and feared because he has gone on rampages or lost control in the past.
But no one knows Spiderman's origin? Literally, people would assume he is a mutant, which is also why he doesn't want to reveal his identity. Its just that xmen worked at first because it was made without it being colluded with the avengers unkverse
But how would the average joe know? Alot of these superheroes hide their identity, and im sure they hide the way they got their powers to so no one can recreate it or have their personal information leaked. A lot of these heros and mutants try to cost the least casualties and damage has possible. But if someone family member dies because a fight between superhumans happens that they can't stop, i highly doubt that, that said person is going to be "it's ok its spiderman, he didn't mean to kill those hundreds of people including my son. It was the villain who threw him at those stone pillars causing the building to collapse. But those mutants though..."
Its just doesn't make sense to me. But then again have real life ever made sense.
I actually am quite fond of the X-Men movies
All of Marvel is My Favorite Including Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy
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@@mrheadcannon I love them both so much
When you told me this in 2018 I would have said yes
The issue with mutants in the marvel universe is that they represent a dangerous weapon. People are afraid of them because of their destructive power. A single teenage mutant in high school could easily kill all of his classmates. Imagine if cyclops walked into a shopping mall and decided to just shoot everyone. Humans would have no chance. That's why there are examples of the mutant registration act. A single powerful mutant could serve as a weapon of mass destruction. even low level mutants like sabertooth have killed scores of humans for fun.
Ironically,the Xmen are and were more popular than in the avengers.
Honestly X men 97 has better story than the entire MCU
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That would be a nice topic for another video, maybe when the movie comes out 🤔
I think at one point X-Men will in up part of the AVENGERS in a movie
mutates are born with different DNA that's literally how they can get powers while normal pple would die if they got beaten by radioactive spiders etc
the thing is....I like x-men because WOLVERINE
Also most X-men villains are mutants
So if mutants didn't exist, they might not ne able to safe us from danger, but the danger wouldn't exist as well
I think that's besides the point of X-Men for me.
Same thing can be said about the avenger’s villains tho. “Oh the villains are human, so that means humans should be extinct!”
@@Smirk_Blurthe people being saved are also humans... so you are required to think from their pov... that's where your argument fails.
@@RajivKumar-xp9qn Your argument also fails when you ignore that the mutants aren’t just villains, that’s generalizing an entire race. You’re also forgetting that 9/10 the “bad guy” mutants are against humans for a reason.
@@Smirk_Blur Telling humans, that it is their fault is difficult. It's easier to blame the others
If a black slave were to kill his slave owner, he would be seen by whites as the bad guy, not the only who enslaved him
Its funny how mutants only exist bc Stan Lee ran out of ideas of how characters got their powers.
X-men are always gonna be better than the Avengers.
No explination will ever make sens.
If it were the NUhumans(hybrid descendant of inhumans & humans), I wouod defenetly understand the hate since they are the result of an alien experiment from an alien race trying to extand their empire
It’s because of movie representation
Avengers got cool movies that can appeal to all with a lot of cool action and a loveable cast
So everyone who hasn’t read the comics see the Avengers as the face of marvel
The X-men probably did have a couple good movies as they were milking Wolverine but it was old timey so people don’t really re-watch it unless they are a diehard fan of x-men
They even messed up the X-men costumes making them all black instead of the unique colors that actually gave them cool designs
So everyone associates the Movie X-men with all X-men
pretty sure peopple dont know hulk and spidermans origin story in the marvel verse to say they are diffrent from mutants
mutants dont even make sense to me considering they are so much yet they are never really shown
how can the entire world be in danger and not one mutant with powers step up marvel messed up when creating the mutant idea and impplicating it into the same universe as other heroes
So cool 🎉
I always found it weird how stryker in the comics is a religious extremist who believes Mutants are basically abominations in the eyes of God yet ignores literal Gods like Thor or Zeus
marvel's claude frollo lmao
I grew up with the avengers I was never really into the xmen besides wolverine
Before 2011 it was xmen they loved and spiderman fantastic 4 hulk now it just avengers and spiderman
They and mr headcannon who's they
Reality is X-Men is always been greater than the Avengers.
Used to be 20 years ago b/w 1990s to early 00s
Avengers are far bigger after 2010s. X-Men don't come close to them
None of the Fox X-Men movies grossed 1 billion dollar meanwhile Avengers regularly cross 1 billion+ or even 2 billion+
Oh, you're talking in the verse ok,
Whose we💀 we all like the xmen
PEOPLE Love x men and avengers!
People hate the X-men?!
Oh never mind your talking about the people in the movies
Nah, we want the avengers because they are all like us, just an ordinary guys.. Their story corelate to us..
That's a rather weaka$$ argument. The X-Men are feared because they were born this way, the avengers are not because they have mutated... I mean, can't we just accept that the X-Men writers couldn't be bothered about a more nuanced approach and just went for the us vs them rhetoric which is deep and layered lol.
lol true
I dont think many poeple hate x-men, good x-men movies/comics were hits. I love x-men
It wouldn’t bother me at all if mutants replace humanity and, based on their bigoted and violent behaviors towards mutants, perhaps it’s better that way. The Avengers are too afraid to solve the core problems, which is why the X-Men are better.
Mutants and humans are the exact same fundamentally. You think people with an oppressed past don't act the same later on, or don't repeat the cycle in spite?
@@muyeonglee2682 What matters is that mutants have been oppressed for too long and humans are apparently incapable of peacefully coexisting with them. Mutants want to be respected and accepted, but the humans drew first blood.
@@michaelmonthey5974 if such a thing occurred in reality and the mutants were worthy enough to be considered a threat, either they would have been stopped right at the start or much more likely, they would have enslaved the humans. Unfortunately that's not a good thing to write in a comic which humans are gonna read 😂
I have 2 questions
1. You think the Avengers should be punished for not doing anything enough or keep the status quo?
2. Let's say Mutants have finally rule the Earth with no humans left. Do you really think they won't repeat the same mistakes? Will they stay one big happy family until the end of time?
@@UnrealNeoBat The Avengers deserve criticism for not going after humans who control big corporations or human terrorists since human authority figures are too corrupt to do anything about it, and for not helping the mutants in any way. Since humans cause too many problems and are too stubborn to accept mutants into society, they deserve to be replaced by mutants.
I love Xmen movies the only problem Xmen had was they couldn't make movies in a good way like avengers infinity saga
Nah most of the Infinity Saga were worse than X Men movies imo. X Men does not have a single bad film like few of the Infinity Saga films. The worst were Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse and still I would say they were better than some of the Thor sequels and movies like Captain Marvel.
@@_sayan_roy_ really? Lol
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Not a not comic book reader but i have seen all the X-Men films and all the Marvel films and I like Avengers way more than X-Men because Avengers feels like a group of powerful individuals with mutual interest but not a family but X-Men feels like a family so technically X-Men should be better right but no that's because of different kind of ideology between the members of Avengers watching them interacting feels interesting but watching X-Men doesn't and name "Avengers" is way cooler than "X-Men" and X-Men is mainly about Xavier, Logan and Magneto in Films and their stories always revolves around saving Mutants from Humans but Avengers is like group of superhero come together only if there is a high dangerous threat. So that premiumness comes with Avengers.
I like the X Men way more than the Avengers
I love both
Shut up people love the xmen
Who hates the xmen?
In the X-Men universe, anti-Mutant people are prejudiced against Mutants including the X-Men
i love the xmen what are you talking about
im the opposite tbh i prefer xmen movies way more than avengers. bit more of a serious and dark undertone to the xmen movies and more relatable and more original in ways.
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x-men are stronger than avengers take that stupid avengers x-men is better
cuz the avengers movies were more comic accurate, with charm and comedy, minimal cringe
the X-Men movies were not very comic accurate, some comedy, questionable casting
x-men >
The original X men series was loved unanimously, not sure what you mean by people hate x men.
All I’m gonna say is “Mutant and proud”
I think the new X-Men should take place in a new reality where the Avengers don’t exist and the X-Men are an established team. Kinda go for the same tone and style as X-Men 97. Probably go for more modern timeline or maybe take it to the 90’s like the animated series.
Nothing stopping Marvel from doing that but that is too good of an idea, so Marvel won't do it. I have said for years how an overloaded superhero world makes no sense in the long term. The world works in balance. You would think with so many God like heroes, you would have solved all of the worlds issues and many of which would prevent many of the reasons people become super villians in the first place.