Predator Ghost 212 Racing Engine vs. Modified Tillotson 212 High Speed Track Test!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2022
- The new Predator Ghost 212cc racing engine has been popular lately, and it performed near identically to the Tillotson 212 with a stage 1 kit in our 8 way Honda clone shootout, so we decided to make a dedicated head to head test to compare the price, performance, driving impressions, and overall value of the Ghost 212cc vs the Tillotson 212 with a stage 1 kit at the Virginia International Raceway kart track. The results were surprising!
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You can't go wrong with either engine, but the Tillotson does give you more customization options at a better price point. What did you all think of this format?
Sometimes towards the gap there is a beveled edge (top) or a dot (top) or writing (top) if there is nothing at all it doesn't matter .....99% of the time...
I thought the whole video was well set-up to show the differences and capabilities of each cart,and the engines.Well done guys!
I paid $250 for my ghost engine and $120 for the kit witch you don't have to buy. You can still get a ton more power out of the ghost and put any pipe you want on it. The excuse you made over and over on the video about why your favorite engine (tillotson) is way cheaper and if it didn't have this problem or that problem makes it a better engine is not true at all. Harbor freight has 20% off cupons all the time. I have to call bull shit . The ghost is the better value at the same price and still smokes the Tillotson. I love the videos tho.
Loved it.. I wondered through how much tire pressure would change the outcome with all the sliding on the ghost?
i love it when you play with engines and karts its way better than these boring mini bikes because they all look a like so we just dont watch them anymore .... sorry
That was fun to watch and I would like to see how big of a difference new tires makes on your Phantom Cart , Also how cool would it be for Cars and Cameras to sponsor a race day at the track and picnic for fans and families to meet you and get excited about Go Carts and maybe a minibike day ? You guys are growing the Sport and showing how to get it done and I thank you
Great video as always guys! I especially liked Charles' controlled slide coming through the last turn at 12:53 where he keeps his foot planted and the wheel never comes off center on through to the straight. Nice driving!
This was a very enjoyable video! One of the best. Especially the driver's eye view/ going around the track. More, please!!
Happy to announce I finally made a purchase on GoPowerSports for a stage one kit for my powerfist 212CC pitbike here in Canada. :D Thank you Cars And Cameras for being my favourite mini-bike and go-kart channel!
I love the head to head videos! Thanks for all your hard work!
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Love watching these videos!
I've learned everything i know from u guys! im currently building a sears roper and Honda go kart!
Ah yes my kind of video! Love a proper kart track.❤️ Get the T4 kart out there and take all 8 engines with you😉. I would watch that video even if its hours long! My favorite thing in karting is engine and chassis tuning.
Really great piece of content. Test and tuning. Love it.
Great head to head comparison! Well done.
Still fun to watch those old cart's running around the track guys thank you
I love it when u guys do test like this .
I still find that building a fresh predator 212cc is the most enjoyable experience,
But for my part of the fun is the building itself.
Great content guys!
I love your channel here guys. Watching you break down and rebuild engines is epic. I'm looking into getting a couple of mini bikes for my son and me when he moves out here next month. He's moving from Chicago to Arizona where I live and we have tons of dirt trails out here. If you guys have any extra mini dirt bikes you want to get rid of to clear some room, send them my way, I'll pay for the shipping. lol
Great review and good content as usual.
Man... You guys, I've been a LONG TIME subscriber, viewer, and forever gear head! ...and I've finally got to say it after watching these flying laps/hot laps... PLEASE PLEASE get away from the round tri-figure steering wheels! John, if you catch that front wheel in a burm or wall your thumbs are gone buddy! Please run yoke style wheels on your "quick carts" ....you know the ones you'd change I'm sure lol.
Stay safe gentlemen! Always love the content, and the trio really does work well. Awesome vid style on this one too btw
Great review video 👍. This Old Man always enjoying your videos. Love you guys 🛵🧔💝💝
I'm so happy to watch your videos!! I am also happy that you can build and play with go karts for a living!! good for you
Loving the content 👍
Thanks for the engine building tips and tuning it really helped me to build my engine.
You guys have just about the coolest job ever.
Enjoying your content keep having fun.
Got to say I love these types of videos keep it up
Wise words Charles 👏
A coat hanger & baling twine has got me home many times.
Greetings from England 🇬🇧
Coolio video! Liked the on-board camera shots👍🏼👍🏼
Charles was in complete controll of that cart he was so smooth with his steering tracking he literally drifter the whole corner like he was driving straight lol Johns tracking was twitchy at first untill he got the hang of it but both great drivers dude they have came so far on so many driving platforms John didn't grow up in the power sports game like most did he got his first go cart at like 18 I'd say so most of us grew up and got our experience over time John is right there with the rest of us in 7 years go John 🤘🤘
Awesome content keep it up. I like these low carts .
Awesome video. Thanks guys
Slingshot ENGAGED !
You guys rock 🤙 living the dream
we need more testing videos like this very cool
“A World War Two Fighter Jet”. Legendary comment!!! Great stuff, VIR is such an excellent facility!
loved seeing some racing karts out on a real track! keep it up!
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I didn’t see a dirt track in this video…
Awesome content and video. Keep it up
Cool vid guy's. Love the race track content 🔥👍✌️
Love this episode I hate to say it but the episodes are always better with Just you two !
Great vid. Cool to see the comparison. The coil governed rev limit seems a good way to limit the engine revs. Easy to switch out vs the nuisance of removing the traditional governor from inside an engine.
This was a great video I’m currently building my own mini bike from nothing and a rusty frame its a 212 engine from harbor freight and so far I got the throttle working just needs brakes and a new axle but hopefully I can get those soon and hopefully a new seat well wish me luck guys ❤️
A piece of scrap wood from a build sight,and Walmart cloth,(I've even used a .50cent yard sale shirt),can make and cover a seat.Good luck ! Spray contact glue,and or staples.
@@bryduhbikeguy yup, literally how I'm planning to do the passenger seat on my goldwing bobber, except I happen to have some tooled leather vinyl scrap 👊
I love hearing the flat 6's in the background at VIR
Wow that is so cool. The fact that some of my dads parts is on that chassis is crazy.
Been waiting on seeing how these two compare and I’m surprised by the outcome the ghost I figured would be about dead nuts with the tillotson but was faster. Would really love a rematch with all the quirks worked out and fresh tires but that’s asking a lot.
Hey guys,
I have a question beceause i never really see yall do this but do yall rejet the carbs?
I mostly see the changing of carbs but never rejetting. A while back yall dit bore out the jets but i havent seen that
in i guess a couple of years either :"))
Thanks a lot for the vids btw, i have been here since the no sponsor, minibike days. And i gotta say, Charles is such a good adition too the team, i love the humor and the loads of uploads from you guys.
Lots of love from the Netherlands guys!!
That looks awesome! I bet the weight to torque Ratio is insane considering that there Dimensions are close to a Honda clone!
I would like to see you guys take a regular go kart chassis around the track. One that wasn’t specifically designed for track racing. Liking the track content.
That looks like a lot of fun!
I have to say I've watched a lot of the videos and in my opinion I think Charles makes a great addition to the team. Very knowledgeable and funny! Keep up the great work going guys.
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Man that looks like a blast
it looks like you guys are having a lot of fun
I always carry a coat hanger for the side of the trail....now. Lol. Thanks Charles. Love you guys. :)
Awesome video........ Quick question do you have recommendation for a beginner welder?
I absolutely love charles he was an amazing edition!!
i saw the virginia and proline trailer banners in the background at the beginning, im in central virginia. i got a ghost engine a bit ago and put it on a minibike, got the engine done and im almost done with getting the parts to have it drivable soon, its a pretty nice engine, very easy to assemble
Such a good time. Damn,I need a go kart!
great show😀😀😀
Love the videos♥️♥️♥️♥️
The ghost I belive is made to race with the lo206 or “stock” class where the upgrade parts are against the rules
That's such a cool looking track and to have it all to yourselves must be awesome.
man VIR was poppin the whole day you guys were on the kart track lol
Top 17 wooooo! Love y’all and what y’all do!!
I'd love to see you do a video with total seal piston rings as a mod. With no ring gap (it has ring gap but its covered) the piston is sealed up and has a good bit more vacuum and compression
This was a fun watch, John. Tell Charles he's not aerodynamic, lol.
didn't know VIR allowed karts other than their rentals on their track, pretty cool test
Y'all boys let em hang on them go karts. Makes me proud to have been born in NC
if only they had these type of track in California! so jealous
Well dun guy's.....great comparison......🤘
Hey charles how are them knees buddy hope you are good man. john you going gray on us bud you are to young for all that . great video keep it up guys .
I actually used to race these style chassis! We used 212s and 224 honda clones. We raced them on smooth clay though, but corner speed on a properly set up cart was enough to pull your cheeks off of your face
Great comparison n content 👏 thanks!!
You guys are awesome yall gone saying it'll be fine all the time now lol I enjoy every episode I've built a go kart myself recently and I think I'm addicted uh my girl thinks I'm nuts 😅 but who wants to go slow on a go kart
That leaking out of the carburetor is due to some junk in the needle float valve, it won’t let it seat all the way because something is in the way leading to the gas leaking around it. This happened to me on my mikuni after it was brand new and it took me a while to figure it out.
Reminds me of my old go kart racing days.
Are you based out of Washington mo?..i saw ur one video at Farmington raceway..also in Mo?
I have a related but not specific to this video question.... What's good starting jets for a vm22 on a 196/212 mini bike with stage 1 parts?
Y'all have fun jobs 👍
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Hi y’all from west Alabama love y’all
I keep wondering what these boys are going to do when they grow up!
What coil did you use to swap the ghost with? I want to remove the limiter on mine.
Nice one boys
Here on C&C. We do science stuff. Meanwhile Ikes doin 58mph at the drags. 58? The ducarti would murder that biscayne...lol.
But we learnt alot guys thanks for doing a great one..Again John gets spokesman props...
Brilliant 👏 👏 👏
Big John, I gotta know, where did ya get that straw hat? I do lawn care on the side and I’m always looking for a good hat. Love you guys video’s, always awesome
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Like to see you guy throw a Briggs& Stratton Animal into the mix
What are the high RPM vehicles we hear racing in the background?
Hello, could you say me the reference of the coil with the limiter, i want to find one similar in europe
cool stuff I remember that allsome looking gocar Frame cool stuff good to see it up and running allsome work guys from cruzermans inventions 😁🎉👌💕
Great video Great concert Great show 8
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Daaaaamn those go karts can haul assets
The gearing was off too, they could be a good bit faster!
@@CarsandCameras I agree
Would the ghost or the tillotson be better for my coleman bt 200x
Them Karts are suspension set up for circle track ovals not right turns that's why it goes nuts to the right look at the front spindle on both fronts you will see is lower for more bite on left turns. Although it can be altered for road course yours would perform and make better times. I do have two race Karts and some knowledge thank you
I would love to see a modification video for a reliable 670cc build where there are light modifications to the engine
I'm tryna find th brake kit for a gokart like that red one, where can u find one?
Loving that hat
Hey I got a Question What About The Predator Max 459cc Compared to the Ghost Would The Ghost be better
With the gov delete on the ghost I have a tiktok video about it on my cart ,under the same username if you are interested, but in order to get it to run right you need to put a utility/stock or billet flywheel on it on. The ghost flywheel says 57° and the flywheel from the original 212 has no offset. You can use an 8° offset key for optimal performance and it’s just like an ungoverned 212!
Would you help me fix my go kart I had for year and I put new motor on but the frame still feels off
Was there fuel starvation when the tank was full?
Do yall have a go powersports code?
Nice hair, John!
Love VIR!!!
Stop by the car wash before filming...gives you an extra 7.3hp when clean! :)
I'd try to find ones with Bigger gears than what's on your racing go karts though by one to two sizes if you're go kat has the clearance space for them is another key factor in the matter of getting more speed.& Be able to use A bigger rear axle shaft gears on those go karts. Good luck guy's.