I think this list isn't complete without including the EC 228R and the EC 236R. Of these my fav is the built 225R, but you can get the EC 228R for under $900 and be able to spool 9000 rpm.
212 predator has outperformed all the others hemi s all of them In my opinion I’ve not experienced the 225 yet but 0-30 it beat the tilli but top end tilli wins
Cool episode, like a call back to the old $50 gokart with a stage 4 engine. Super impressed with Ike holding the hammer down and giving the dingo and his spine all it's got!
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I actually work at Harbor Freight and I've been itching to see how the new Ghost Motors compare to the competition since they were announced. This was a fantastic episode and a great tool for anyone looking to compare their options for upgraded or new motors! Great job as always guys!
@@BuzzLOLOL Mine never vibrated, when you mounted it, did you torque your bolts? use medium strength thread locker? did you install the engine at the correct tilt or angle. or have you thought about your motor being factory defect.
Ike! Go ahead and rant brother! That Ghost is a piece of..... Tilly Stage one is where it's at on a budget! If the Ghost came with a better flywheel, it might be worth $450. Alas, y'all are nuts on that 25hp+ engine. Y'all had my heart skipping a few beats. I appreciate the video y'all! PLEASE be careful and safe fellas!
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Love the video,it was a learning experience. I noticed that the rear tyres aren't wearing evenly, might need to air them down a bit. Could make it a better ride as well.
GREAT EPISODE!!! one small rebuke, the stage one Tilly starts at $420. plus shipping, so from a cost perspective its about equal to the GHOST. we gotta be fair. thanks again
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Ive said this before, I wanna see the king of the crop one of these engines on their Yard Dart 2.0 Yeah no shifting but I think it would be in the 49 second range.
Getting ready to rebuild an old Rupp cart with my 7 year old....currently doesnt have an engine, so we are starting from scratch, and this gives me a great idea as to value with each engine. Thanks so much guys!
John, uses your cnc table to cut put a bracket to hold the carb still, one side with 2 holes to go on the intake screws then a cut out of the carb bowl, and use carb screws to tighten it all together, probably going to have some funky bends to make but it'll keep it was shaking around so much👍🏼
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I would love to try my hand at a stage 1 small block build off backyard 500. The dingo is a pretty awesome kart! No suspension but air down those back tires! 2.5psi is enough pressure to keep the bead seated and provide a pretty comfortable ride with 2ply tires.
Me and my daughter are in the process of building a mini crosskart.i have a 6.5 Honda 200gx engine suspension and now we just need a new welder because ours got stolen !!!!and a frame hope we have as much fun as you guys I swear lol you all are good !!! Be safe out their guys
I love the video, it is a good way to show the difference in cost verse performance. I noticed the chain on the Dingo seemed to be loose or have about a 1 1/2" of space from the large gear on the back of the Dingo.
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The first time I jumped my Dingo, I learned how bad the ride was. my back hurt for over a week. I ended up using a really thick cushion under the seat after that.
My brain is mean so I apologize but I have to say this..... Did the cushion have a dildo glued to it for your vagina? Also, fun fact: I only had to type 3 letters before my phone guessed dildo... and it only took 2 for this sentence.
Only to be young again. I enjoy myself so much just watching you guys. Please be safe and consider reinforcing the roll cage on that thing. I thought Charles was going to flip it at one time, lol. Great video though!!!
ok so now you've compared a heap of small blocks... what's the cost of a stock 420 with the governor removed (or at least the throttle stop wound out) and how does that compare on the same cart? is the extra torque a worthy compromise for the extra weight?
Awesome video! Thanks for comparing these.. I'd love to pick any of these really. I definitely want a go kart again. The ghost is $300 on the harbor freight website. I assume the accessory kit is the extra $150 or so dollars?
@@NubsWithGuns Your wrong. Look at the times. I have one on my minibike and it kicks ass. I have had multiple stock 212s with Mikuni carb and after market exhaust and the Ghost is hands down a better engine.
@@NubsWithGuns The ghost engine is for a spec cart racing series It's not meant to be a super high performance engine. It is designed to be a less expensive option to the other engine in the spec class. Engines have to be approved by the governing body of the series.
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You say the Tillotson with the mod is cheaper than the ghost but how much did the engine and the mod cost together? I paid 225.00 for my ghost and 120.00 for the accerioe kit , that's 345.oo for the whole thing ready to burn blacktop.
I was definitely entertained. That Dingo chassis was overpowered by those modified engines in my opinion. The "stock" engines would probably have done better with the torque converter that matched those engines like Ike mentioned. I think you could have got the points across with a simple drag race but it would not have been as fun. I think if had a chassis with suspension those modified lap times would drop by a surprising amount. Excellent video!!!!
This was a blast to watch, well done guys. I think just for fun, you should take the 3 stock engines, Predator and Tillotson 212's and the Predator 224 and run them bone stock except for governor removed. With the varying RPM ranges it's still hard to see which one really performed better. Plus it would be good to find out how fast the cheapest version of each engine would be.
I agree. They added $150 to the Ghost for parts that they didn't include in the other builds and you can't buy a Tillotson 212 stage 1 for $310. More like $420.
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Oh and the ghost is $300. The accessory kit is $150, is the accessory kit necessary, if one is making their own exhaust and fuel system? Also does the ghost have a billet flywheel?
Love this. I’ll watch it all. But… I very much think you guys should do a project to build a DIY dyno for mini bikes and karts. You’d probably need some sort of computer genius to help, but if you can get some trustworthy repeatable rear wheel torque and horsepower numbers, 0-40 times, etc, that would be great for comparing power plants and tuning. Then all these claims of “should be 25+hp” or “estimated 20HP from these mods”… etc could be actually proven and perfected. Even just an engine dyno on the bench would be cool, to test and tune mods, and easier to build with a Mount plate, height adjustment and interchangeable shaft adapters. But engine specs don’t translate directly to rear wheel performance. Even better… do both! The software would be the hard part, and the same software could probably be used on both. Don’t do away with the actual driving tests, that’s the funnest part. Just use a dyno to enhance the fun driving.
Plenty of people have made thier own dyno's so these guys definitely have the skills and tools, It's just the will and its far to easy to use the excuse "we just want to have fun" to cover up for false claims. "I could do a 8min lap of nurburgring if I wanted to in my P1" is very differen't to doing it.
I have a suggestion as a part 2 to this video. Since GPS has an engine dyno, ship or take ALL the engines you ran for this shoot out, JUST AS YOU RAN THEM, to GPS and have them dyno all of them to get actual HP numbers and see actual rev limits. Use same gas you used for the shoot out on the dyno. DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. Also, that Dingo REALLY needs a camera mounted at the roll bar pad in front of the driver/steering wheel. The one up higher did a great job of showing the helmet being bashed all over the place (along with the head inside it). You guys should VERY SERIOUSLY consider getting a padded neck brace to slow down that bouncing to lessen the brain scrambling.
I built an exact copy of a 228 they built that they claimed 25+hp and on the dyno it made 17.9hp all these huge numbers they claim are marketing lies not to mention gps uses massively inflated dyno numbers
Be interested to hear Ikes rant about the new ghost 👻 engine. I feel that it's not worth the money over a stock predator that has the basic same parts besides the rockers. Sorry.
Yeah, they're fine if the point of getting it is to race in a specific series requiring factory sealed engines, but you're better off with a stock one and upgrade it.
I always enjoy a good rant too! Let’s be honest here, Go Powersports sponsors C&C, Harbor Freight doesn’t. Ya got to dance with the one that brung ya. It’s pretty hard to make a fair comparison between a sponsors engine and an engine from a shop where you have to pay retail and don’t get any kickbacks. Thanks for the videos!
The only thing I will say is I felt the ghost engine got the short end of the stick in this video. Most of us building stuff won't need the accessories kit at all because we probably have the parts already which brings the cost down to 299.99 not $450. The second is it being fresh out of the box untuned or broken in. But I still loved the content keep it up!
Take a Sport Quad style ATV seat and cut the back off to fit it between the back rest and the front of the seat should be attached to the steering column. Leave a seat or seat cushion of your choice on the bottom when you do this. Its soooo much more comfortable! Our riding friends and family all loved the difference.
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Gotta do this with the T4 Kart on a proper race track. As a reference i ran a bone stock 212 vs a tilly 225rs just tuning gearing on a kart similar to the T4 at my local track and the difference was on average 10 seconds between the 2 engines. high 54's with the tilly 225rs and about high 1:03's with a BONE STOCK 212. Loved this video you guys are awesome btw! 🤙🏻
At the velocities you’re achieving with that Dingo, it looks like that spindly roll cage would just fold up and trap the driver in any sort of collision.
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I was mistaken, in a subsequent vid Isaac hit a tree branch with the Dingo at a pretty good clip and the roll cage got dinged, but protected him from injury
bloody fantastic video guys!! with some fantastic driving from all! Charles how the fudge did you not stack it coming round last bend on 2 wheels sidewasy with the front left wheel 1ft in the air epic driving . can't wait for the next installment .
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Expected Ike to get the best time in the super rowdy as he was lap after lap building up to the power but to jump right in and send it John and Charles killed it.
So I looked up the price because I'm looking to upgrade my cart and I'm seeing the stage 1 is closer to 500 on go power sports and the ghost is 299 at harbor freight
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It would be so easy to fix that track to where it wouldn't beat you to death. Just rent a Skid Steer with a 36" - 42" small dozer blade, and grade the track to where it's smooth. Just a few hours of work and you'd be running smoother and automatically have faster times too.
@@WyFoster and possibly someone's life, or at least help prevent serious injury. That track is WAY too rough to be running those speeds with those type of tires. I've been upside down and bounced off a tree in a Kart because of a bumpy track and big grippy tires like that. Haha
I've seen videos where the guys using these mention the vibration or knocking. Double check torque specs. Tear it apart hopefully you all find the root of that problem. By far one of the best video. 👌 thanks for for the years of knowledge and entertainment stay blessed.
I know this doesn't have anything to do with the motors.but about about the thrashing that Isaac took. I believe you guys have a grater for your tractor maybe it's time to smooth the track out just a suggestion might save some backs. great video keep it up
The boys are doing a great job of illustrating the law of diminishing returns. After a certain point profits/benefits gained from an endeavor will represent a proportionally smaller gain as more money or energy is invested in it. In this case the Tillotson 212 Stage 1 represents the sweet spot where the money & energy invested provides the highest return, proportionally. Loving the content from the new shop with longer run times and more production value!
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Totaly random but it just hit me that when I started watching you guys where in the old mans garage, sometimes at his shop. Somtimes I got to feeling he was behind the camera pissed off about his lawn or driveway and the toys being collected but look now. Congrats on the new setup!
Interesting comparison builds, & tech. Not to mention comprising your bodies for our enjoyment, had to bring a few times... Great work gentlemen, Thanx !
I know how your back feels. I've been on a few Enduro races, they kill your back. Man, I wish I had a spread like you guys have to build and test my projects. Keep the fun stuff coming, hope to get one of my projects going soon too.
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I think your track could use some maintenance. Get a 6-7 Square foot chain-link fence to drag behind a tractor with some weights on it,to smooth out your track..you guy’s should build a optional jump in the middle of your track! Love your content!!
I have a 196cc stage 1.75 looking at the tilly 212 hemi from GPS you guys really are great for the testing here! What sold me what the. Upgraded valve springs, 10k flywheel and flat top piston, out of the box! I have a intake carb and header pipe with jets for the 212 just want a 265 cam. It's for my massimo warrior mb200
Such a cool episode guys, coming from Australia the fun police stop us from having this much fun. Gotta give it to Isaac for taking one for the team for keeping it consistent.
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CarsandCameras Guys, what a helluva video of dropping ponies into that buggy! haha I was reading along in CC during lap times & commentary. Very informative all the way through... Won't be long before seeing one of those backyard karts with an air-ride seat! Would be a back saver for sure. That & a train whistle for coming through that finish line on the lap on that 2-wheelin style! haha Stay safe & great content. When the driving hand gets like that, it's time to go jiggin.
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Great video! I would love to see the time improvement If the cart had shocks, A lot of time it seems were lost because of under steer. Bouncing around corners is fun though!
Epic video guys !!! And I actually learnt alot of things I didn't know. I had no idea how reasonable the price's are for such a great selection of engine's. You all had me laughing and talking to myself whilst you were testing. I love you guys," I really do" , don't change for nothing, your character's make the channel,
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Yo a 43 min video…….a blessing from the heavens if you ask me. JACKPOT
Which engine is your favorite?
the ghost is probably the coolest but the the built 225 is the best imo
I think this list isn't complete without including the EC 228R and the EC 236R. Of these my fav is the built 225R, but you can get the EC 228R for under $900 and be able to spool 9000 rpm.
Stage 1 tillotson without the governor.
I use tilly stage one…love it
212 predator has outperformed all the others hemi s all of them
In my opinion
I’ve not experienced the 225 yet but 0-30 it beat the tilli but top end tilli wins
Cool episode, like a call back to the old $50 gokart with a stage 4 engine. Super impressed with Ike holding the hammer down and giving the dingo and his spine all it's got!
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OMG. Charles @23:25 coming out of the home stretch air-born & twisty! Awesome!
I actually work at Harbor Freight and I've been itching to see how the new Ghost Motors compare to the competition since they were announced. This was a fantastic episode and a great tool for anyone looking to compare their options for upgraded or new motors! Great job as always guys!
Ask HF why the Ghost vibrates so much!
@@BuzzLOLOL Mine never vibrated, when you mounted it, did you torque your bolts? use medium strength thread locker? did you install the engine at the correct tilt or angle. or have you thought about your motor being factory defect.
Ike! Go ahead and rant brother! That Ghost is a piece of.....
Tilly Stage one is where it's at on a budget! If the Ghost came with a better flywheel, it might be worth $450. Alas, y'all are nuts on that 25hp+ engine. Y'all had my heart skipping a few beats. I appreciate the video y'all! PLEASE be careful and safe fellas!
*Ike* : _"This thing vibrates like crazy"_
*John* : _"Did you check the air in your tires?"_
the tyre pressures do look a bit high, would probably be much smoother with softer tyres
John: "I have seen the face of God"
Charles: "You saw Dale Earnhardt?"
That had me rolling!
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Love the video,it was a learning experience. I noticed that the rear tyres aren't wearing evenly, might need to air them down a bit. Could make it a better ride as well.
Agreed. Those tires shouldn't be ballooned out so much.
Tires are the first part of any suspension
GREAT EPISODE!!! one small rebuke, the stage one Tilly starts at $420. plus shipping, so from a cost perspective its about equal to the GHOST. we gotta be fair. thanks again
Glad I wasn’t the only one to catch that one.
Amazing episode. I feel sorry for Issac! Imagine how much faster it would be with suspension
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Ive said this before, I wanna see the king of the crop one of these engines on their Yard Dart 2.0 Yeah no shifting but I think it would be in the 49 second range.
Getting ready to rebuild an old Rupp cart with my 7 year old....currently doesnt have an engine, so we are starting from scratch, and this gives me a great idea as to value with each engine. Thanks so much guys!
John, uses your cnc table to cut put a bracket to hold the carb still, one side with 2 holes to go on the intake screws then a cut out of the carb bowl, and use carb screws to tighten it all together, probably going to have some funky bends to make but it'll keep it was shaking around so much👍🏼
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That was so funny when Charles said “psst do you want some camshafts?”🤣🤣🤣
This episode was freakin great guys!!!! Love the length and y’all should do more!!!
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John- “I have seen the face of god…”
Charles- “you saw dale earnhardt?”
🤣🤣🤣🤣
After Monday's episode, how's the knee Charles?
Great video and I like the Blazing Saddles reference from Charles 👽
Oh man I would have whooped ass at the backyard 500 with these engine options in that cart 😂😂
I would love to try my hand at a stage 1 small block build off backyard 500. The dingo is a pretty awesome kart! No suspension but air down those back tires! 2.5psi is enough pressure to keep the bead seated and provide a pretty comfortable ride with 2ply tires.
Me and my daughter are in the process of building a mini crosskart.i have a 6.5 Honda 200gx engine suspension and now we just need a new welder because ours got stolen !!!!and a frame hope we have as much fun as you guys I swear lol you all are good !!! Be safe out their guys
I love the video, it is a good way to show the difference in cost verse performance. I noticed the chain on the Dingo seemed to be loose or have about a 1 1/2" of space from the large gear on the back of the Dingo.
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that thing is a wild ride. big thumbs up.
The first time I jumped my Dingo, I learned how bad the ride was. my back hurt for over a week. I ended up using a really thick cushion under the seat after that.
My brain is mean so I apologize but I have to say this..... Did the cushion have a dildo glued to it for your vagina? Also, fun fact: I only had to type 3 letters before my phone guessed dildo... and it only took 2 for this sentence.
i hit 50 with mine on a stock internal 212 predator hemi, stock carb and stock exhaust and i rolled it bad lol
john: i have seen the face of god
charles: you saw dale earnhdart?
Me: dying lol.
Only to be young again. I enjoy myself so much just watching you guys. Please be safe and consider reinforcing the roll cage on that thing. I thought Charles was going to flip it at one time, lol. Great video though!!!
ok so now you've compared a heap of small blocks... what's the cost of a stock 420 with the governor removed (or at least the throttle stop wound out) and how does that compare on the same cart? is the extra torque a worthy compromise for the extra weight?
I really wanna see what you boys can do with a Honda grom! They’re fun to mod and there’s lots of cool parts for them
What year is your dr??
@@waltcomotorsports3994 my profile pic is my old ‘05 dr200 and sadly it was stolen while at work and then I bought a ‘96 dr650 to replace it
Aww man thats brutal, my 92 dr350 was stolen aswell but by some divine miracle i got it back with little to no damage
they've done plenty with those Honda grom style engines. you've never seen any of their ct70 or z50 videos?
I didn't even know the predator 212 was so cheap
You know you're old when you lay on a concert floor and just say "My spine..."
I feel that with every bone in my spine LOL.
Awesome video! Thanks for comparing these.. I'd love to pick any of these really. I definitely want a go kart again.
The ghost is $300 on the harbor freight website. I assume the accessory kit is the extra $150 or so dollars?
I'd rather have the regular 212
@@NubsWithGuns Your wrong. Look at the times. I have one on my minibike and it kicks ass. I have had multiple stock 212s with Mikuni carb and after market exhaust and the Ghost is hands down a better engine.
@@NubsWithGuns The ghost engine is for a spec cart racing series It's not meant to be a super high performance engine. It is designed to be a less expensive option to the other engine in the spec class. Engines have to be approved by the governing body of the series.
@@dillonpapa does it vibrate like crazy?
@@kleetus92 It vibrates less than the stock engines.
Enjoyed the video! Good stuff fellas
Great video guys!
I know they are hard to find but I’d like to see y’all mess with one of those 80’s model fat tire bikes like a Yamaha BW200.
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Buying a dingo this week so this video was perfectly timed and now I'm buying it for sure.
Remember Ike sacrificed his spine to bring you this content. 😅💀
You say the Tillotson with the mod is cheaper than the ghost but how much did the engine and the mod cost together? I paid 225.00 for my ghost and 120.00 for the accerioe kit , that's 345.oo for the whole thing ready to burn blacktop.
I was definitely entertained. That Dingo chassis was overpowered by those modified engines in my opinion. The "stock" engines would probably have done better with the torque converter that matched those engines like Ike mentioned. I think you could have got the points across with a simple drag race but it would not have been as fun. I think if had a chassis with suspension those modified lap times would drop by a surprising amount. Excellent video!!!!
oh that chassis was 100% being over powered hahaha. On a smoother/faster track it definitely would have showed a bigger gap between the engines
This was a blast to watch, well done guys. I think just for fun, you should take the 3 stock engines, Predator and Tillotson 212's and the Predator 224 and run them bone stock except for governor removed. With the varying RPM ranges it's still hard to see which one really performed better. Plus it would be good to find out how fast the cheapest version of each engine would be.
Wow the Predator 212 Ghost have an incredible price to performance ratio for being a stock engine with warranty.
I agree. They added $150 to the Ghost for parts that they didn't include in the other builds and you can't buy a Tillotson 212 stage 1 for $310. More like $420.
Charles had the best-looking crazy finish I've ever seen on the Grand Prix. But, boy, you guys sure are staring death in the face.
Charles got my vote for best finish ever 😂🤣🤪 Ike gets my vote for best endurance 😂🤣 John for the most sane 😂 best video so far 👍👍👍😎
Ok, I'm diggin the comparison, but I NEED to know more about that Opel GT!!!!
Any plans on fitting the scooter 600cc motor in anything yet . Love the content you guys put out keep up the excellent work ❤️
Ike is the go-kart equivalent of a Ken Block.
In fact, I issue a challenge.
Ken Block, could you drive a Manco Dingo any better?
For starters I love that dingo! Love the content, you guys are awesome. Woohoo let’s go fast
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Oh and the ghost is $300. The accessory kit is $150, is the accessory kit necessary, if one is making their own exhaust and fuel system? Also does the ghost have a billet flywheel?
No it doesn't have a billet flywheel
Love this episode it's very informative and fun I will go with 2nd stage tilitston
I just have to say guys. This was not only VERY educational in engines for projects but also VERY entertaining to watch! Love it.🤘
Love this. I’ll watch it all. But… I very much think you guys should do a project to build a DIY dyno for mini bikes and karts. You’d probably need some sort of computer genius to help, but if you can get some trustworthy repeatable rear wheel torque and horsepower numbers, 0-40 times, etc, that would be great for comparing power plants and tuning. Then all these claims of “should be 25+hp” or “estimated 20HP from these mods”… etc could be actually proven and perfected.
Even just an engine dyno on the bench would be cool, to test and tune mods, and easier to build with a Mount plate, height adjustment and interchangeable shaft adapters. But engine specs don’t translate directly to rear wheel performance.
Even better… do both! The software would be the hard part, and the same software could probably be used on both.
Don’t do away with the actual driving tests, that’s the funnest part. Just use a dyno to enhance the fun driving.
Plenty of people have made thier own dyno's so these guys definitely have the skills and tools, It's just the will and its far to easy to use the excuse "we just want to have fun" to cover up for false claims.
"I could do a 8min lap of nurburgring if I wanted to in my P1" is very differen't to doing it.
One of my favorite videos so far , right up there with the original wheelie cart video
I really enjoy watching your videos. You should get a digital score board for your competitions.
I don't know which was sketchier. The air Ike caught the time he said his spine went out his head or Charles crossing the finish🤣 Great episode!
I think it's time for some track work yall. Would really love to see it more cleared out and track markers.
The spot where they drive over the concrete at the creek seems like a spot for a bad wreck.
@@andrewgee241 yeah it needs a wider turn into area. One last turn and u hit dead square or left front hitting for a quick stop.
Charles had it on 2 wheels that was cool
I have a suggestion as a part 2 to this video.
Since GPS has an engine dyno, ship or take ALL the engines you ran for this shoot out, JUST AS YOU RAN THEM, to GPS and have them dyno all of them to get actual HP numbers and see actual rev limits. Use same gas you used for the shoot out on the dyno. DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.
Also, that Dingo REALLY needs a camera mounted at the roll bar pad in front of the driver/steering wheel. The one up higher did a great job of showing the helmet being bashed all over the place (along with the head inside it). You guys should VERY SERIOUSLY consider getting a padded neck brace to slow down that bouncing to lessen the brain scrambling.
@Ryuhouji lol, weirdo😆
A simple spring seat would've helped Ike's back a ton
I built an exact copy of a 228 they built that they claimed 25+hp and on the dyno it made 17.9hp all these huge numbers they claim are marketing lies not to mention gps uses massively inflated dyno numbers
Best video I’ve seen across the spectrum this year!
Very happy for y’all and your growth and success. Makes me glad to be a supporter. This was an excellent video!
Love it!!! Charles is a hell of a driver
Be interested to hear Ikes rant about the new ghost 👻 engine. I feel that it's not worth the money over a stock predator that has the basic same parts besides the rockers. Sorry.
Yeah, they're fine if the point of getting it is to race in a specific series requiring factory sealed engines, but you're better off with a stock one and upgrade it.
I always enjoy a good rant too! Let’s be honest here, Go Powersports sponsors C&C, Harbor Freight doesn’t. Ya got to dance with the one that brung ya. It’s pretty hard to make a fair comparison between a sponsors engine and an engine from a shop where you have to pay retail and don’t get any kickbacks. Thanks for the videos!
The only thing I will say is I felt the ghost engine got the short end of the stick in this video. Most of us building stuff won't need the accessories kit at all because we probably have the parts already which brings the cost down to 299.99 not $450. The second is it being fresh out of the box untuned or broken in. But I still loved the content keep it up!
Should swap the fully built engine into the bronco ! Engine Would really perform with full suspension
Take a Sport Quad style ATV seat and cut the back off to fit it between the back rest and the front of the seat should be attached to the steering column. Leave a seat or seat cushion of your choice on the bottom when you do this. Its soooo much more comfortable! Our riding friends and family all loved the difference.
Excellent guys. Always enjoyable. Keep up the good work 😃
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I bought a dingo because of you guys. I have a stock 212. I'm $650 all in cost with kart. Best money ever spent.
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Just simply an awesome episode, thanks guys! Would love to see the top speed on these if you feel like a do over! lol
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Gotta do this with the T4 Kart on a proper race track. As a reference i ran a bone stock 212 vs a tilly 225rs just tuning gearing on a kart similar to the T4 at my local track and the difference was on average 10 seconds between the 2 engines. high 54's with the tilly 225rs and about high 1:03's with a BONE STOCK 212. Loved this video you guys are awesome btw! 🤙🏻
At the velocities you’re achieving with that Dingo, it looks like that spindly roll cage would just fold up and trap the driver in any sort of collision.
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Dang right.
Looked to me the front of roll cage was bending just driving through the track.
I was mistaken, in a subsequent vid Isaac hit a tree branch with the Dingo at a pretty good clip and the roll cage got dinged, but protected him from injury
bloody fantastic video guys!! with some fantastic driving from all! Charles how the fudge did you not stack it coming round last bend on 2 wheels sidewasy with the front left wheel 1ft in the air epic driving . can't wait for the next installment .
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I'm 6'6" and around 360 Lbs, and my back gives me trouble just walking around. I feel SO sorry for Ike's spine, after this!
I was excited about the review of the 212cc GHOST Kart Racing Engine
power is nothing if you can't use it, either traction becomes the issue, gearing or not operating in the ideal power band... another great vid guys
Expected Ike to get the best time in the super rowdy as he was lap after lap building up to the power but to jump right in and send it John and Charles killed it.
Expected to see a close up of the board so that we could study and compare numbers on it...
So I looked up the price because I'm looking to upgrade my cart and I'm seeing the stage 1 is closer to 500 on go power sports and the ghost is 299 at harbor freight
Tilly stage 1!!! 😃 thanks guys! ALWAYS GREAT!!! ✌️🤙
Loved this video not only did you include the time difference, you showed the pricing which is a huge thing not a lot of people show.
Charles is my spirit animal.
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This is one of y'alls better videos in a while
Gosh I hope the mini dragster gets more upgrades!! Love seeing it in the background! Keep up the fine work boys!!!!!
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It would be so easy to fix that track to where it wouldn't beat you to death. Just rent a Skid Steer with a 36" - 42" small dozer blade, and grade the track to where it's smooth. Just a few hours of work and you'd be running smoother and automatically have faster times too.
#SaveIkesBack
@@WyFoster and possibly someone's life, or at least help prevent serious injury. That track is WAY too rough to be running those speeds with those type of tires. I've been upside down and bounced off a tree in a Kart because of a bumpy track and big grippy tires like that. Haha
That’s the Hemi predator 212cc! Great to see! In my opinion they have a little more torque, not much! But just a small amount.
I've seen videos where the guys using these mention the vibration or knocking. Double check torque specs. Tear it apart hopefully you all find the root of that problem.
By far one of the best video. 👌 thanks for for the years of knowledge and entertainment stay blessed.
Awesome guys you hit it out of the park again
I know this doesn't have anything to do with the motors.but about about the thrashing that Isaac took. I believe you guys have a grater for your tractor maybe it's time to smooth the track out just a suggestion might save some backs. great video keep it up
I like videos like this that go deep into details with specs of the engines, Max RPM, etc. Make more like this fellas!
The boys are doing a great job of illustrating the law of diminishing returns. After a certain point profits/benefits gained from an endeavor will represent a proportionally smaller gain as more money or energy is invested in it. In this case the Tillotson 212 Stage 1 represents the sweet spot where the money & energy invested provides the highest return, proportionally. Loving the content from the new shop with longer run times and more production value!
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Great project guy's....Charles pulled the dingo out of that slide perfectly.....my money's on Charles.....lol
Totaly random but it just hit me that when I started watching you guys where in the old mans garage, sometimes at his shop. Somtimes I got to feeling he was behind the camera pissed off about his lawn or driveway and the toys being collected but look now. Congrats on the new setup!
The number of times that WOT choking method has saved me from having to tear open a carburetor is beautiful.
Interesting comparison builds, & tech. Not to mention comprising your bodies for our enjoyment, had to bring a few times... Great work gentlemen, Thanx !
I know how your back feels. I've been on a few Enduro races, they kill your back. Man, I wish I had a spread like you guys have to build and test my projects. Keep the fun stuff coming, hope to get one of my projects going soon too.
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I think your track could use some maintenance. Get a 6-7 Square foot chain-link fence to drag behind a tractor with some weights on it,to smooth out your track..you guy’s should build a optional jump in the middle of your track! Love your content!!
Really want a camera by that bridge to see how close you guys are to eating it.
I have a 196cc stage 1.75 looking at the tilly 212 hemi from GPS you guys really are great for the testing here! What sold me what the. Upgraded valve springs, 10k flywheel and flat top piston, out of the box! I have a intake carb and header pipe with jets for the 212 just want a 265 cam. It's for my massimo warrior mb200
Such a cool episode guys, coming from Australia the fun police stop us from having this much fun. Gotta give it to Isaac for taking one for the team for keeping it consistent.
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0:00 The intro says it all 😂
Love the video guys!
Tillitson Stage 1 is my favorite
CarsandCameras Guys, what a helluva video of dropping ponies into that buggy! haha I was reading along in CC during lap times & commentary. Very informative all the way through... Won't be long before seeing one of those backyard karts with an air-ride seat! Would be a back saver for sure. That & a train whistle for coming through that finish line on the lap on that 2-wheelin style! haha Stay safe & great content. When the driving hand gets like that, it's time to go jiggin.
you talk about the Till Stage 1 twice and say the same things at 33:45 and at 34:30. The same take twice? Great Video!!! love watching y'all!
This is such a great video
that looked like a lot of fun, great stuff thanks guys
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Great episode fellas!! Lots of good information!!
Great video! I would love to see the time improvement If the cart had shocks, A lot of time it seems were lost because of under steer. Bouncing around corners is fun though!
Epic video guys !!! And I actually learnt alot of things I didn't know. I had no idea how reasonable the price's are for such a great selection of engine's. You all had me laughing and talking to myself whilst you were testing. I love you guys," I really do" , don't change for nothing, your character's make the channel,
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