I Bought Mtg Proxies from Wish
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ม.ค. 2023
- Got a big 'ol batch of Magic the Gathering proxies from Wish. What did we get, how do they look, and exactly how shady are they?
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My playgroups moto is " if it looks like a magic card and plays like a magic card, its probably a magic card"
I love when Dev brings out paper cards and talks about them. Keep this content coming
Honestly after the magic 30th anniversary, I no longer have any problems with proxies. No matter how good they look.
Damn, man. Those are pretty awesome. I’m sure anyone would gladly pay… oh… I dunno… $1000 for like 60 of those?
😂 bruh this comment got me
Nah. Like 10 bucks for 60 of those ok. For 1000 bucks I want a complete set of alpha or beta as it should have been with mtg30.
@@TripsAhoy The Collector's Edition back in the day was $50. Adjust for inflation, maybe $120 today? That's what they should have done. With the new backs, and in foil. New name for Crusade, and new art for Weakness and Earthbind, and 3 different black cards, instead of the ante cards.
They would have made millions.
Wat u talking about? More than $1000.
@@Woke-CardBoard You missed the joke.
Reminded of the classic Dr Who where the Doctor writes "this is a fake" in permanent marker on the canvas Da Vinci is about to paint the Mona Lisa on.
If you are worried at all about the proxies getting mistaken as real cards, mark them. If you’re putting them in a sleeve, mark the back, if you’re playing them unsleeved, mark the front (maybe down by the flavor text) and wait for the ink to completely dry to not smear ink onto other cards that may be real. It’ll save a lot of confusion later on.
Hey, this is better than what we used to do: just write on a standard deck of cards with a black felt pen 😂
The older I get, the more I just enjoy the game and can’t be bothered to care about paying hundreds of dollars for a paper plying card. I have a mortgage! 😅
This is why I'm not against using "not real magic cards" in tournament play, if you can get away with it.
Couldn't agree with you more! I started with revised in 1994 and have played, quit, and sold off my collection 2 or 3 times! Must have lost $1000's in the process. It's just a game that I love to play, I don't care if a card is common or mythic... if it's fun why do I have to pay a fortune to play it?
@@brianfeeley6140 exactly! I don’t care about the collection side of the game. Some people do and that’s cool, and I don’t try to sell any cards as gen to make money. I just like playing the game.
I would find buddies that had the rares I want, use the color copier at the library, then glue them to basic lands.
I love the idea of them personally, especially for home play. I've been teaching my son the game and they provide a LOT of freedom when it comes to him getting to try more things without me needing to sell a kidney. I do believe in purchasing the real cards for the right reasons, but provided your play group doesn't mind who cares.
I love that this video has more than double the average views. Seems like Wizards did a great job of getting their fanbase looking into proxies.
2022 was a rough year, here's to a better year in 2023 for you Dev & your loved ones.
Gauntlet of Might is a reserved list card, so definitely not reprinted. Maybe you are thinking Gauntlet of Power? It has a similar effect.
technically it was in the 30th anniversary set but ya no non proxy reprints
Def not reprinted. Very expensive card.
After the 30th Anniversary $999 dollar fiasco, I'll happily play commander or casual (non-sanctioned) games of Legacy with proxies, even with ones worse than these. Thanks Dev! ❤️
Yay! Glad to see you Dev. I was worried.
The NOT REAL at the end is the most Dev shit ever
This is a great vid! I love that you felt the need for the flashing, "Satire" sign! I laughed my ass off.
Glad to see you back, happy new year guy!
Wishing you a speedy recovery Dev!
I ordered those exact same set of proxy’s about two years ago, and also marked the back of the cards, after the 3rd person at my lgs asked me to trade them a few of the cards for 1$ value each, I couldn’t honestly allow someone else to take possession of them without first marking the backs, cause I know I would never try and pass them off as real cards but you can never fully trust what someone else would do with them and the last thing I want is someone else being scammed with a card that came from me…
The Party Tiara of Dev: Give +1 Max Sp, +1%Mp and +5 Fun.
You may pay WB and sacrifice the Tiara to regenerate.Exile the Tiara.
Blue core is the type of paper that is used to make the card. Recently I have been looking into printing my own proxies, blue core is used for playing cards and trading cards. Don't quote me, but I think WotC uses a proprietary type of blue core, I do believe they use a non-standard thickness of card stock.
Hope you are feeling better!. Nice video.
Glad you are feeling well enough to make another video!
Happy New Year man!!
Great content as always Dev. Your attitude is right-on.
Happy new year Dev!
I bought 5 of these back in 2013. They are 3rd Gen Chinese counterfeits. We still use them to do vintage drafts, cube and fun stuff. I used a hole puncher on all the cards to distinguish the difference. I liked the drunk Dev lol.
Glad you marked them. It's what I would have done. 0 problem with proxies just don't like ones that could potentially be used to try to trick someone they are real. This is also why i have never bought off wish, cause I know this is how they make their proxies.
If you take an official Magic card (let’s say a basic) and rip it, you’ll see a blue layer in the center. And there’s really no innocent reason for a proxy to ever do this.
Innocent reason for the core: that snap you get when playing a card is largely due to its core. Even high stock paper won’t snap the way a magic card does
@@oiaWhy make the core blue couldn’t you make it yellow for example?
If the card is properly identifiable as a proxy, I.e. written somewhere easily discernable on it, then the color of the core can be innocent. If they aren't marked as proxies then adding a blue core is an additional level of counterfeiting in an attempt at passing them off as legitimate.
Same is true with people surprisingly enough
@@andrewgolubiewski3463 yeah I don't trust people that are blue in the middle when I tear them in hald
Happy New Year Dev!
Did you notice the typo on Berserk. Made me chuckle a bit. Happy new year!
Hey Dev
To blow your mind I have a short story.
I played the game for about 2 years in the mid 90s and my brothers friend was ones of the first "pros." He took me to all the tournaments and there was times when he got eliminated early and let me play side tournaments with his fully tuned balance deck complete with 5 mox and a lotus. I had to riffle shuffle it, raw, no sleeves. The thought still haunts me lol.
Have fun with you completely real definitely not illegal black lotus 😂. Happy new year dev
These are cool, I think theyre fine for cube or whatever I wouldn't care, but if I bought some I would prob sharpie Proxy at the bottom or maybe across the back, or paint the borders gold or something. Happy to see you did the same! ❤️✌️
Yes! Welcome to the true MTG community.
WotC is printing now proxies too. I see nothing wrong with buying proxies from wish or printing them yourself
I just ordered these. I quit playing Magic right around Visions, came back for a while around Mirrodin, got a few more cards, but still have all the old stuff, including 8 of the Power 9, a Collector's Edition, and 40+ dual lands. So, I will dig out the old crates of cards when the proxies arrive, and make a comparison.
I love the production value.
Good content. Never thought of buying proxies (for personal use) would be a fun concept
I love your attitude when you're sick lol. Like nothing réálly matters anymore xD. Best of wishes man!
Kudos for sharpie on the back. That was my very first thought. Just write PROXY on the back, and I love that you did that. I have no problem with obvious proxies, but I definitely don't want anyone getting scammed by proxies either.
Great video, man 🤟
Keep the grind going!
As a guy who lives close to actual Taiga I'd like to point out you're supposed to stress the second A, not first. Other than that, great content as always! Much love from Vladivostok ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for sharing! I bet most of us have been saying it wrong for decades 😂
@@mtgoly6518 as far as I know it's the word that was used by native Siberian tribes to describe wild forest on the mountains (which explains it being red green) and later was adopted to Russian language after these lands were assimilated.
Happy new year!
i just proxied a bunch of cards. i purposefully had the proxies made with a different symbol then normal, so you can tell its a proxie, on top of the back of thr card actually having a completely different backing. i can sleeve em and use em in commander and thats all i want, a playpiece that i cant normally afford. this allowed me to build my dream "for fun" deck, of big mana eldrazi. having fast mana and all the scary big boy eldrazis is so cool and i have a table who knows and doesnt care i proxie.
I love the original art, old borders and backs. I'd love to be able to purchase proxies similar to these. The one change I'd make is a watermark, beneath the text similar to how they sometimes do with set symbols or guilds, that just says "proxy". Noticable enough so as not to be able to dupe anyone into thinking they're real, but easy enough to filter out of your perception.
I'd probably do something like replace the "Deckmaster" text on the back with the supplier/printer (in this case Wish), or with different text like "Proxy". A proxy logo/symbol replacing the original set symbol on the front would be another solution I'd find fun and unobtrusive.
Back when the black lotus were only $300 I saw 2. I win.
I never knew how much I wanted to see Dev up close upside down.
The satire notice is what killed me. I was already laughing, but that was 10/10
Do the proxy cards pass the green dot test with a jewelers loop?
Happy new year 🎉
I've ordered a few packs off of alieexpress. The quality varied WILDLY, mainly in their scanning of originals, with obvious colour issues or hilariously bad scans. But there were a few in there that were pretty convincing, along with the card stock being about as good as you'd expect from regular cards (which can also have hilariously bad QC and come out of fresh packs in nm/played quality).
The slivers were all good, and those suckers went right into my sliver deck to round out some of the stuff I never could track down at a reasonable price.
Ahahah funny to see these
I did buy the exact same pack about a year and a half ago and just inserted them in some EDH decks as placeholders or just to see how it feels to play some of these expesive cards I couldn't otherwise.
And I did the exact same thing, I wrote PROXY at the back of each of them so that I don't get confused by mistake because I already own some of these cards.
WOTC must recognize the massive demand for vintage artwork/cards for casual decks. Proxy makers have been ripping them off for years. And their eventual response to this was…randomized proxies for $1100???
Magic uses different cores now foursome reason but for the majority of existence, tho they used a blue core which is when you shine a light thelrougg you can kinda see it but also if it rip one you will see the blue pice of paper that is the core.
My favorite (mtg associated) person on the internet.
Good perspective. Please everyone, don't give money to counterfeiters. And please mark or destroy a counterfeit if you get one, like this video. There are plenty of non-counterfeit proxies around, if you want proxies.
oh the lewd noises you made when you hit that Mox Saphire lol...
I bought a binder of counterfeits along with the rest of a collection, and it shook my faith in real cards. I took a sharpie to the back of each card to prevent any accidental trading.
That's fkd. I'd lose it.
@@OrionGuided I decided to keep it because the proxies are higher print quality than actual foils
Agree with ya Dev! Backs should not be imaged like ACTUAL MtG cards! Not sure how they feel in hand, but if they are attempts to profit in any way on duplicating playable, legit Magic the Gathering cards without permission, the seller be subject to litigation. On top of all that, it just looks dirty and feels not right! 😖🤢
I love your Sharpie solution. Great idea!
Say, how much do you want for that Mishra's Workshop? (just kidding!)
I usually take a small hole punch and punch out near a corner on my proxies. The shape of the punch out can be anything from half moon or star or sun, etc. Have fun with it.
Its funny to me how guilty magic players sound when taking about proxies.
Black Lotus was one the first cards I got out of the packs of Unlimited. This was before we even knew what the rules of game was because the store did not get in any Starters.
My ideal proxy is something that is good enough to fool even experienced collectors while in a sleeve, but is obvious once out. Like maybe on the back it says "Fakey: The Counterfeit" instead of "Magic: The Gathering". The reason for this is I aggressively do not care whether the people I play with want people using proxies or not. You don't get to choose if you can't tell.
This would be ideal, there's a place called printing proxies that does exactly that, but idk how good they look in real life
"If you can't tell I'm cheating, it's not cheating." What? Wouldn't wanna be in your playgroup, unless everyone else has the same attitude. Do you have the same outlook on slight of hand/card rearranging? If no one can tell you did it - that's basically the same logic, right?
@@jtc2445 Proxies aren't cheating. The only logical reasons people wouldn't want proxies in their games are for dumb status reasons.
@@TheKebair Exactly why I said "unless everyone else has the same attitude." My playgroup doesn't allow proxies (even though I wish we would). It for sure isn't a status thing (we've all been playing since '94-'95), just something we agreed on forever ago.
They aren’t cheating, but I’m 22, and I am about to buy many dual lands, maybe even unlimited slowly over the next year and I have to work long and hard for these cards. Why would I want someone to just print one up for .25 and play lol, I had to work for them and spend my money on it they do too. (Just a disclaimer I am getting into legacy, not edh so maybe it is different, not sure).
24:35 Well, now you can check what the "blue core" means
Edited, just in case anyone decides to be weird about it.
Entirely agree on two points, though: It's necessary that these exist, but the backs really need to be obviously fake. I think you can make the front as close to realistic-looking as possible but your backs have got to have some kind of identifying mark as such or people are going to try to pull some bullshit.
You need an official backing on proxies depending on your sleeves. Some sleeves are just slightly translucent and a different back is very obvious. Championship cards have this problem.
The best solution for proxies is to ensure the front is clearly fake.
I have a proxy Ancestral that is in my cube, the art used has the play wear built in.
The blue core is one of the tests to tell if a card is authentic when you rip it in half or shine a light through it. So basically a counterfeiting feature that proxies typically don't need unless you're trying to pass them off as real.
In 2020 I bought a collection on ebay and it had a bunch of those proxies in it. They're so clear as day and I'm shocked anyone could ever be fooled by them. Almost like playing cards.
Magic shouldnt be pay to win so i support proxies fully, especially considering how many independent artists make cool proxy art. That said it's important to designate proxies from real cards when some of these cards are worth hundreds of dollars.
The Dev stands for devious.
Hope you got some opaque sleeeeeeeeves!
Still better than 30th Anniversary!
Pretty sure "blue core" is referring to when you tear an official mtg card ion half, theres a layer of blue stock you can see in the middle
I think you should be able to play with these as much as you want, anywhere. Most players/collectors aren’t trying to rip people off, they just want to play magic. If you’re buying high level pieces and not checking the card, that’s more of an Individual issue. The bigger issue here is the spectre of being sold a proxy prevents people using them, which for many people, means they don’t play magic! Magic is a game, not a financial investment portfolio. Use proxies! Be honest about it, but use them. MTG even sells them now.
I own the wish ones for fetch lands. They look pretty good in sleeves. But if you touch them or move them back and forth in the light…no.
Awesome video dev...
And to all the haters commenting...clutch those pearls a little harder!!!
I litterly got this off wish awhile ago cause my comander group allows proxies if u double sleeve it doesn't actually look bad and if people don't take ur cards and hard examine them they wouldn't notice. Like especially the lands.
I've actually gone to comander nights at my lgs with the wrong swords in a deck I was testing(my actual ones were in a deck i left at home. and noone seemed to notice.
I have if not the exact proxy pack then a very similar one. I've used a colored marker thickly on the lower right edge on the cards to highlight that they aren't real. On a few others I have I blacked out the whole artist line. Makes it stand out out of the sleeve. Most of the time I only use the proxy for a card I have the real one of but it might be in a different deck at the time.
Brave man making this video. Let's hope WotC isn't too petty. Guess we'll see during preview season.
Proxies aren't illegal. At most, selling the art is - but that's the sellers issue. Basically the same as 3d printing Warhammer models.
Ive bought multiple of these over the years. The mtg30th celebration product, china edition
Yeah with our group we all pooled a few dollars together and printed 1000+ proxies on similar card stock from Staples. Put them in sleeves and you cant tell the difference, but looking at them yeah you can tell they are just cut cardboard. We got dozens of EDH decks and a Cube in buddies basement.
I have proxies for my Revised Duals, Shocks, and Fetches that I have to use for my multiple EDH decks.
Does the list have additional cards or does it come with just these?
Just those.
Upside down dev is best dev.
Hey, thanks for talking about proxies, I've been meaning to buy some because magic cards just cost way, way too much.
I do a lot of printing so, blue core paper: It’s a type of paper stock. It’s a way to make it thicker without having a ton of issues for that gsm and weight paper. It’s considerably cheaper than black core paper and tends to print very well.
Will a average household printer work with this blue core paper?
@@kellyd1910 not usually. Check how thick paper stock your printer can use before attempting.
Great video
Really appreciate this video. Now I know where to go to fuck with my playgroup :)
You appear to have picked up proxies from the same guy I ordered from back in 2015, back when Modern was a good format. The parentheses on the Spellskite is placed too low and gives it away as a fake.
I remember in the 1990’s when I thought it would be cool to make some proxies for me and my girlfriend at the time using the MTG official Encyclopedia. I think it went from Alpha up to Urza’s saga.
I went to Kinkos and started making copies that were not great and when I asked the employee for help he told his manager and his manager ran me off saying I couldn’t reproduce books.
My evening was ruined and I was saddled with the $30 encyclopedia
Wish may wish they never used those card backs if Hasbruh finds out about their proxies.
It isn't Wish that used the backs. Wish is merely a marketplace where people sell stuff. At worst, Wish would be requested to remove such items. But the main thing with Wish is a LOT of product is from overseas despite Wish being a US company and a LOT of that product is from, you guessed it, China. And those sellers just don't caaaaare lol.
They are in China. Ain’t nothing gonna happen to them
Did you have the link of the seller? Where to buy..
I bought these for $12.50 with a $5 off coupon. I sold a few of them for $3 each to some of my playgroup buddies who really wanted key pieces for their Commander Decks. Only sold 6 of them. But I got 102 cards and made $5.50 😂
I picked up a Collector's Edition Illusionary Mask for my BUG Morph/Manifest deck. But it generally doesn't see play because of the price tag.
I LOVE this Channel you can always trust that you Will learn something criminal /s
Is there a similar product you can buy online for about the same price that are more obviously proxies? Everything I find online wants at least $2 per card.
For the 10-15 cents / card deal, you've mostly looking at wish and alibaba, I think.
If you're spending money on cards by proxy artists, they're charging not only for printing, but also their labor to make the art which is why they are more expensive.
Wow, these proxies were awesome. Did you pay $999 for them? XD Looking forward to your commanders dev
Not too shabby. I wouldn't hesitate to play proxies at this quality.
The gloss level is crazy
“Blue core” is the type of card stock they are using to make the “Magic cards”
The whistling :P
Blue core and standard back is a bit of a low quality countefeit. I don't think many would fall for it but personally i ordered my reserved list proxies from a site that uses mtgo art and proxy backs for that reason.