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- A discussion of magic: the gathering proxys
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these look amazing, but i am curious what is on the double face cards that is different? you said the regular cards say proxy back so its not counterfeit but the double face cards look correct printing (in your video at least) on both sides so what stops them being classed as counterfeit?
@@rabbittodd the foil thing at the bottom
@zach7594 seems dangerous as they also sell the foil stickers too - i know they aren't the same as the proper ones but would probably pass a quick glance
placed an order used your code hope they do more with you and freed up a lot of cards i used in more than one deck
Been saying this in your chat for awhile now.
If you want to collect for value... Then by all means, collect for value.
But if you just want to *PLAY* the game... Buy proxies. Why would I spend $100's of dollars on a premium commander deck when I can get the same thing for
You wouldn't download a car!
Me: *actively downloading a car*
I heard that they bring in a jury of your peers, so I always seed generously
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@@frigginresulrumNot all heroes wear capes, but all heroes reseed at least the full value of their torrent 😊
Actually I would
Actively 3D printing car parts that have no weight bearing
We are at the point where recommending people to get proxy instead of WotC official card is not only not controversial, but starting to be the norm.
MTGoldfish has an IMMACULATE proxy generator, where it will generate a PDF from a list of card names if you don't want to have to wait for proxy prints
when prices go up and quality goes down, customers DIY things. it's been the case in all kinds of industries for a long time now. it really shouldn't be a surprise at this point.
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I've replaced all of my EDH decks, 22 of them, with proxies. They cost about $50 a deck, but I can put any cards I want in them. Top quality prints. Companies that...Make Playing Cards...are now getting the money that WotC used to get.
I'm picking up what you are putting down. I'm getting ready to put in a 600 card order now. But I'm making custom proxies (An adventure time deck for my friend, for example.)
My whole play group does this now.
Well, WotC tried to sell us a pack of proxies for 1000 USD. If someone else sells a pack of proxies for less than 100 USD, it's common sense to save money.
WoTC has stated that it's totally cool if players want to print or make their own "playtest" cards to explore different power levels or to determine if a player wants to invest in actual product. Artists are already paid for their art in their artist contract so they got paid regardless of how many times WoTC prints the card. Buy product if you play in tournaments or are into the collectible aspect. Proxy to build a cube. Proxy with your friends if you want to actually play the game and have so much fun you soil your pants into another dimension.
Imma gonna proxy the Hatcher videos on my new channel, Gatcher.
It's kind of baffling that wotc didn't see this coming. Focus on commander which is focused on casual kitchen table magic instead of standard which focuses on tournament style of play, then devalue the collectability of cards through rampant reprints and floods of sets, then wonder why people don't want to bother buying real cards for tournaments or collecting
Or maybe they did, and it's intentional?
Wizards is pro proxies for casual, always has been.
Why not make the better choice for the people and print for casual, unique fun among friends rather than "gimme money" and bland repetitive competitiveness. I myself am happy with it; MAYBE it wasn't the best business decision, but ultimately games have proved time and time again that the F2P model just makes it more ubiquitous and thus brings in the whales which really make the money for them, so who knows?
Wasn't expecting this when I clicked the link, consensus at my LGS is that the new art is shit and gets worse every set. The amount of people proxying the OG art, anime or just any custom art is increasing all the time. The owner lets it go since everyone keeps buying commander decks and splitting products is a common thing.
Custom art solves MTG's biggest problem, so it's definitely nice seeing it become increasingly common as people get used to proxies and realise that once they're not limited by official printing, they're not limited by official art either.
I bought 612 proxies for $125. The price is too good and none went to WOTC
These proxies aren't even the quality you can get. Purchase from proxy universe, and you will get cards that are better than wotcs
Looking at custom art MTG cards on eBay right now. Yup, I hope people stick it to Wotc/Hasbro and buy cheaper alternatives instead.
So early in your vid you mention that the difference between a fake and a proxy is the backing, but then you pulled a pathway and Fable of the Mirror breaker which wouldn't have a fake back, was there anything else on those cards that would identify them as being proxies? I guess the quality of the card being better would likely give them away, just wondering if there was another way they differentiate them.
That's an excellent point that I totally missed, I should write something on the back of those too somewhere. Thanks for bringing this up
the collectors information section of the card should have been amended with similar information as the modified back. this makes the card clearly identifiable as playtest card without getting it out of the sleeve.
also please note proxy card is a term used to indicate card stand-in issued by a judge at sanctioned event. those are playtest cards. i guess it's still fine to use the term "proxy" on the printed cards themselves since judges do not issue printed cards. :)
That's why artists also usually add proxy to the watermark in the bottom corner in addition. Mtg proxy uses actual cards from scryfall iirc so with those, you just have to rely on the quality differences.
The only creature I can think of that has a huge mono color mana cost is from Unglued. The B.F.M.
I just checked their site and they have some options for bulk custom printing too, it's pretty great.
I've already stopped purchasing any and all MTG product to begin with, and this also opens up custom card printing possibly for me, which would be more fun to play with some custom made cards. I simply play with friends to begin with and one friend just plays with printed images on simple paper in sleeves, so this is basically just getting a higher quality of that.
In my 30s now and only playing with my friends every couple of weeks. Sold all of my decks for thousands and proxied them for fractions of the cost. I can build any deck I want for 50 bucks and thats invaluable to be able to afford modern day living costs. The price creep for MTG got too out of hand for me to want to continue purchasing any sealed product or buy new "big" cards for decks.
Price creep? It doubled over night. I do agree however.
I think the best part is you can pay $100 and get a whole commander deck for a friend who wants to play. That such a deck would actually have a good and robust manabase so it makes the actual gameplay a lot more smooth.
I was against proxy cards for a long time. After Magic 30, I have made 3 cedh decks, mostly made up of proxies. I still like to have one of the original, but beyond that I've shifted my opinion on proxy cards.
Kind of like the original artwork for Archangel of Tithes from Magic Origins more than the Thunder Junction artwork.
the big switch for myself was magic 30... I felt excluded from celebrating a game I supported since the early days (started on ice age).
ive been proxying off moxfield for almost two years now, i love it
Counterfeits are fine too tbh, realistically the vast majority of people aren't trying to sell their proxies anyway, but if they want their proxy to be as faithful as possible to the real card, good for them imo. And with proxies sometimes being higher quality than real prints, I wouldn't be complaining all that much if I got sold a counterfeit lol
Lol, I just looked up the French word for "delay". I see why you commented that way.
Try piloting an Airbus, it shouts that at you everytime you land
...to remind you what you should be doing with the thrust levers.
It's never meant anything but. Anyone who uses it as an insult to disabled people is, themselves, quite slow.
Sold my collection a few years back only to pick up proxies. Amazing timeline.
I fking love Proxys!!! I give wizards a little money each year for their good one product. Than I proxy a ton of cards to play and enjoy with my friends. The price points are way too high for bad quaity junk. I love magic so much but I proxy and play whatever i feel like lol. Best decision i've ever made lol.
I've only run into one person I used to play with and would play with one proxy deck. She had another deck, but this one was her favorite.
What I can remember is that she played a vampire deck.
It was never fun playing magic bc she 9/10 would play it.
However, since then, I haven't run into anyone else like this. She just left a bad taste in my mouth with proxies.
omg this is great! i can finally play with the OG dual lands in my group!
I've been printing my own proxy since the d&d stuff happened. Saved so much money.
Is there a option for the cards to be ALL with the new frame, for consistency sake?
I don't use old cards in my commanders because I hate mixing frames =/
I run a bunch of proxies in my commander decks. I usually try to the singles first from LGS's but if I can't find them I'll proxy then.
What if a proxy front was put on a real back? What is it then? Hybrid?
These packs are really a wild mix of cards from the last 30 years, some cards from Beta and some from last month's set! Or do they also use Alpha corners, I didn't check that yet.
Thank you ever so much for this. (forgot to use your code but I'll out together another order and use it) This service is amazing to get cards I want to collect/play but missed out on getting during my 20 year hiatus.
I have been tempted to get a set of prox moxes for my cube.
Main thing is, its easy to get, can be used without breaking the bank ( play with friends and just have some fun ).
I got into magic because I used to be a gamer and was tired of the games being made incomplete forcing you to pay for add ons to experience the game fully. I was a fanboy from the start and snubbed my nose at proxy’s and people who played with them. But after magic 30, I felt betrayed and haven’t bought any cards since. After looking at these and what hasbro/wizards have been doing, this looks really appealing.
I was kinda annoyed by the quality of my fallout collector box. The card backs barely had any treatment, the foils currles extra bad, and the cards in the precon decks were infinity better quality overall.
I sold all 8 of my binders.. thinking about selling my decks next to do this
Totally used your discount code to order some proxies for a cEDH deck. Thanks Purp!
I've always been of the opinion that as long as you aren't going to try and pass them off as real, Proxies are fine. Proxying is like a cheat code that you enter in the start menu of a video game to unlock every weapon at the start. Great way to learn to play the game and find cool interactions.
Why waste money unless you're investing in the legit stuff, or are doing tournament grinding?🤷♂️
Proxying EVERYTHING is not necessarily smart. A $2 card that's real can get you $2 back (multiplied however many times). A $2 proxy is a waste of money. A card that's $200 getting proxied for 25 cents however, I feel is justified. By the time you turn and try to sell it, it may not be worth remotely close to what you paid for. Better to throw away a quarter then lose $30.
I just print all of mine on paper with terrible quality to save money.
This argument feels pretty awful though once you've dropped $200 bucks on proxies even if you saved a lot of money. Main reason I switched to printing. It's just a game I want to play regardless of how it looks. (I have a $4 ink subscription so I'm not spending a ton on ink).
@Olympus-Thas now, an ink subscription seems like a budget win.👍
@@Olympus-ThasI worked for Epson and I can tell you for a fact that it costs less than 7 cents to manufacture a printer ink cartridge.
@@Olympus-ThasI myself do not plan on reselling a game I love. If it gets to a point where nobody is playing anymore, then the value on my investment tanked anyways.
This game should equal our retirement, it should be what we play when we retire!
This website is amazing. I’ve ordered over a thousand cards from them and they never disappoint. I got into proxies when making a LOTR set cube. More than half of the LOTR cards had horrible art compared to what’s available elsewhere. Also Wizards keeps remaking the same legendary creatures over and over. I change the name and art but keep the card functions the same. Nowadays I only buy prerelease kits, order cards under a dollar and proxy everything else.
I don't want real cards, the Pinkertons may come for them.
Oh man, they should offer serialized proxy cards! I would love to own a serialized Lightning Bolt or serialized Counterspell with MMQ artwork on it!
this is nice i was thinking of getting some for cards i use in many decks
I print out my proxy’s cut it out and inner sleeve it with any bulk card behind it, now I can pay 50c for 9 bowmasters or one ring
I found that printing onto vinyl sticker paper produces a much sharper image with my home inkjet printer than standard paper or cardstock. Costs me about 40c per sheet for the paper. I think it's worth it.
Love this video, love those cards. And thank you for being clear that counterfeits are not proxies.
I totally support this and I do that as an owner of all those real cards
Didn't think this was really a question. Its the doubling of prices.
yes i play at one store and they use the app for wotc to get product but they let players use proxies and i have seen whole decks and half decks because they dont want to buy the cards .. and i play at a another store and you can not play with them if you own it and have it with you then your can play the proxy
I am ok when people proxy a Legacy deck or commander i just like to play its not importent how mutch money you have
Damn. I was thinking about doing up some old school decks for people to play with at my local shop without having to risk people mucking up my 4 horseman stuff. This looks way easier than dealing with China.
I got the Hellfire right. Just proud of a silly thing for no logical reason. Imagine if they made foil proxy packs that didn't curl. That would be dope....you could actually use foils in cubes and Commander decks. It would be hilarious to me if the proxies became more desired because the quality was just that much better.
Just a glance you can tell from the coloring. If the company isn't trying to make a counterfeit the differences will be much easier to see, like font, postioning etc. These are solid proxies, but that surface wouldn't fool anyone outside a sleeve, which is fine for a proxy. I always highly recommend good quality images and full sheet labels. Print them out on a high quality printer, FedEx stores are like $.27 a copy. Stick to bulk or insert cards and it's like $0.15 total per card when you include the cost of the labels, and they look great.
Question. How do these proxy "companies" get away with printing copies of another company's cards without infringing on copyrighted materials?
As far as I know wotc only pursues companies that are making counterfeits(indistinguishable from real magic cards with both front and back appearing as the genuine article) They have a company policy stating they are ok with proxys that are not passed off as real
@@MikeHatcher Gotcha. I'm still somewhat surprised that they allow their published card art to be used by others for profit though. I guess they just don't want to deal with the hassle and cost of chasing each and every one down.
There’s also the fact that game-pieces utilized in numerous different manners isn’t exactly a matter of settled law.
Take going after a professional proxy-maker who was using different art, but cashing in on the game being a going concern to power demand for their proxies.
If WotC wins, they basically get a judicially enforced Cease and Desist.
If they were to *lose*, the principle of Full Faith and Credence would protect someone who started the largest proxy operation ever, so long as they kept using the different art. WotC would be facing an enormous barrier just to get the chance to take the new Mega Proxy Maker into court.
When it comes to civil matters, a loss in the humblest Circuit Court can prove as devastating as a Supreme Court ruling on a criminal matter.
I think WotC/Hasbro would have to be facing proven and substantive profit-loss to roll the dice, even in a game where they’re favored to win.
Also being based in a foreign country who gives zero fucks about what wizards has to say.
@@MikeHatcher I feel WOTC will go after these soon. If these get popular it will affect their bottom line. There is no way that WOTC would let that pass. They are probably ok with bad quality paper printed proxies or bad proxies with unique art, but when cards are better than original and front is indistinguishable from real cards there is no way they will allow these to compete against themselves.
I would even say this is probably number one threat to them. If people just shifts to the proxies then WOTC is screwed and they can't milk players like they used to.
I have no issues with proxies as long as the power of the deck is matched with the play group or if you are testing a deck you intend to build and want to tune it before buying. That is fine.
My problem with proxies is when you dont tell people "i have 5-7 proxy cards that are worth more than your car that make the deck go brrrrr". It turns casual commander pods into cedh real fast because people dont like getting stomped and pull out their try-hard decks to combat the proxy player
I have Ivy, Gleeful Spelltheif deck. It makes copies and copy tokens of auras, mutates, creatures, and everything. I had to buy 10x copies of each card to have enough "tokens." The cost was absolutely insane. Will be doing this from now on.
how do you identify the double faced card like Fable of the Mirror-Breaker as a proxy?
These guys apparently are going for extreme realism, and I don't see any proxy indicators.
All the proxies that I have state very clearly PROXY - NOT FOR SALE in the copyright field on both sides. (And my custom cards say CUSTOM on them in the same way.)
I think it's also important to point out that when I have proxies made to order, I don't bother with fake backs. I always have lands (basic and nonbasic) printed on the backs. This keeps outdated/outmoded/niche cards useful.
1$ for a proxy is too expensive. Even these sites rely on secondary market value, they will also have their own crisis at some point.
Amazing I almost want to open some packs lol stay awsome
Just ordered my 1st batch of proxy cards for casual games at home . After 10 years of price rises and products being pushed down our throat ive decided to keep my money
Since the card is from a years old set, my mind went with the card that looked the most used. And I did notice a tiny fold in the lower left corner of the authentic product.
The volume drops down when you get to the Hellfire segment
The forced scarcity way WotC prints is so bad that I decided to spend less money on real cards of the new stuff. Instead I decided to buy more ink for my printer to get exactly what I wnt in the quantities I want for multiple decks. This comes from someone that finished a set if Power 9 & 40 revised dual lands.
Shet this vid changed my prospective on proxies. Weird question. Is proxies just accepted in EDH versus Modern? I can see modern players getting ticked at proxies vs EDH. I play modern. However there is cross over for olayers going from modern to EDH....I noticed more modern players crossing over. I might join, but Proxy.
The case is Legacy Player who owns Duals dont want to play them to not descrease their values. It's crazy paradox.
This is the most fun pack cracking I have been apart of.
man, i wish we have those proxies in switzerland. they look great!
Question: How do tell that the pathways and other similar cards are clearly fake?
Is the symbol in the middle foiled or just printed on?
Just printed. They make foil versions, I would assume the symbol is foiled on those but I have not seen one in person.
I obviously prefer real magic cards, but everything considered, proxies are cool with me
I had a playset of gaeas cradle back in the day, long story short, went to basic and when i got back my cards were gone.
I'm not paying 1000 dollars for a cradle, but having a proxy works just fine in commander, cube, casual, whatever, and makes a nice memory of my early mtg days
I actually printed out custom proxies for a cube I'm making, all 30 of the lands in the cube are retro style proxies with landscape photography of a different usa state. Did a washinton DC command Tower just for the hell of it lol
It was a genuine pleasure to hear pack openings not tinged with soul crushing dissapointment.
How does this work for the artist of the card?
The artist of the card has already been paid. You aren't stealing any money they would make because they have already made it.
More than two weeks later and the code still works!!!
Thanks!
Some cards I have in my deck are foil only so I proxied them friends know and accept it because I hate playing foil cards example is Mayor of Avabruck promo yes I know normal version is there yet I have both for most of my deck.
These are pretty cool.
I like using the world championship gold border cards or artist proof sketches for proxies. Something about playing with these clones just makes me sad
Any degrees of "real" are just constructs of your mind. Person A hires company B to make a non-legal card. Whether person A is WotC or you and company B is Carti Mundi or some proxy website does not change the equation, the result is a non-legal card. Open your 3rd eye to the truth
Don't use what doesn't make you happy bro. I used to feel the same way as you do now. Not any more, in fact today I had amazing games of mtg specifically using these proxies and I regret not switching earlier but that doesn't mean you need to do the same.
Welcome to the desert of the real.
wow the hellfire proxy even had diamond cut corners! the colour saturation gives it away immeditaly tho
Ordered many from this company, they are awesome, highly recommended 👍
I don't know if the difference between counterfeits and proxies is really there unless you're trying to pass off counterfeits to other people as trades or purchases, like the people making these didn't pay for the art or IP or a license, it's not like these people stamping proxies on their cards are doing something inherently better than bootleggers. I mean people trying to defraud are always going to exist but I don't consider using bootlegs to get around paying 5k for cardboard to play a tournament defrauding anybody. I've always thought that if I had the inclination to play anything except for limited that I would order some bootleg cards and make my deck out of that, I mean I've thought about it and how I'd mark the cards so they would never get mixed up but at a tournament and sleeved up I'd be able to play them. I mean I don't think the cards would ever be checked while playing in a tournament, at the lower levels at least but if they said proxy on them then that could be caught pretty quickly. Playing casually proxies are great but bootlegs are necessary where proxies aren't allowed.
Im cool with a few proxies at a commander table within reason.
Where can i order those proxy packs?
Printingproxies and mpcfill. It's pretty simple. Printingproxies has an option to print an entire expansion at a time if you like.
So are all double faced proxies automatically counterfeit by default?
I just feel bad for game stores where people showing up with proxy decks. Buying nothing
Don't be silly. LGS doesn't stock Magic anymore. It's too much of a financial loss.
VERY TRUE!!
People can't afford luxury cardboard rectangles, inflation is insane and most people play casually now so there's no reason to use legit cards. Wotc deserves it. They've made a whore of their product.
I told you! Proxies are the Future even before M30! They called me crazy but I was right! Mwahahahaha.
I'm concerned about the double faced proxies...how do you know they're proxies without the back?
Can't imagine why
I just bought a one piece commander deck on Etsy. Looking for a Naruto one next
Had a massive collection of cards ($5,000 or so) which all perished during a warehouse flooding. Now I have a friend who I pay $15 for a 100 proxy card deck (with sleeves).
Yeah, I would say WOTC got enough of my money.
Well, to be fair, The B.F.M. in Unglued had 15 black pips
I couldn't care less about people owning a copy of an artificially rare piece of paper. I just want people to play exciting decks.
Esty just has the Best looking Alt art Stuff for reasonable prices, even fantasy decks (Elden ring, Metroid prime ) that don't exist Hell yeah.
proxies go brrrr
i proxy cards of cards i own instead of switching them all out
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem..."
I think wotc read this and got the wrong idea...
The color on the proxy is way lighter than the real one
Proxy everything
Plateau artist Sam White???? The Original was Drew Tucker, and the second version was Cornelius Brudi.