I like it, but unless the player character was born from a hunter it is false and given you can make your character an old man I would believe it to not be an accurate interpretation.
I think you misread it doesn't mean the player is born from a hunter just that the player is a hunter Hunters and there children are cursed not just the children of hunters
@@kingkangiv1615 in Yharnam not everyone is a Hunter of the church but almost everyone participates in the hunt soooo, technically everyone would be cursed and everyone's children forever and ever
@@kingkangiv1615 in the beginning of the game you get a blood transfusion by that one hunter right before you wake up to start the game, so you kinda share their blood
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even death may die." The corpse of Kos may have washed up on shore, but given the unique nature of these cosmic entities, being a corpse and being "dead" *are two very different things.* Kos was still aware, if not alive, when its child was taken, and there's a possibility that her child was still alive when it was found. Having her child stolen, dissected alive, and "killed" in the process... Not only would Kos be so angry that she'd gladly visit a curse on the interlopers, but no doubt her child would have been filled with rage and madness at having experienced such a fate for itself.
I've thought for awhile that Kos's "corpse" refers to her physical body after she ascends to one of those "transcendental planes of thought" mentioned in the Isz Root Chalice. We know that this was probably a concept that the development team had in mind, because of the cut content featuring the body of the Moon Presence that was supposed to be found in the chalice dungeons.
An orphan is only an orphan if they survive their parents. I think Kos's child was taken alive by the hunters. And that is also why it is so obliquely alluded to, because it truly is so horrific. Not just a dead baby, but a living one was taken.
"Mother is dead and her baby taken" always makes me feel so sad:( it's such a hopeless and tragic phrase. I love Bloodborne so much, it always hits me in the feels one way or another
@@fast.food.ninjalarry954 Not so hidden really. The Church oversees ALL blood tranfusion, so anyone hoping to become a Hunter (with the capital H) will do so through the Church because they are the ones calling the shots. Kos is just avenging her lost child posthumously, and it's a pretty fair curse you know? The Hunters, under orders from the Church, killed villagers and abducted others for experimentation, pillaged their skulls for evidence of Great Ones and cut the still living Orphan of Kos from his mother's corpse and took his umbilical cord.
Jose Tomas Campos Robledano The original creed of Byrgenwerth was far more explicit and interesting I think. “Blood makes us human, makes us more than human, makes us human no more”
It always struck me from the Umbilical Cord descriptions about every Great One losing their child, that this was not about their lack of ability in creating or conceiving a child, but an allusion to having or taken, removed, or lost.
I think you guys are being too rigid about the whole 'A corpse should be left well alone.' I think Maria is talking about herself but referencing the event of the hamlet. That she was talking about both. Sort of like saying this is what happens when you disturb the dead, maybe next time you'll think twice before doing it. Japan loves double meanings.
Oh I 100% agree . Maria is referencing both herself as well as Kos corpse that Hunters/scholars desecrated due to their sheer thirst for knowledge of unknown and took her baby from within her. So Kos cursed Hunters to end up in the nightmare so to keep her child alive but also to punish Hunters for taking and possibly killing it in the waking world
@PessiOpt 9 I like to think that the Vilebloods are either a different type of blood usage or an a completely different faction more akin to vampires, which explains why they're opposed factions. but I dunno, I need to replay the game and pay attention to the lore more.
I’ve been binge watching and rewatching lore videos on dark souls/blood borne and THIS CAME OUT ?!? The gods has granted us eyes, but are yet to open Thank you smoughtown
@@gustavolemos5913 Incorrect what? I didn't say that the lore in Sekiro is bad or anything, just that it's nowhere near the vast, deep and layered lore that the Souls and Bloodborne have. It's simple, really. Sekiro has much much fewer characters, locations, bosses and backgrounds and thus its lore is not as rich
Everyone always shouts how paying for the sins of one's ancestors isn't "fair", but nobody has a problem enjoying the fruits of the labors of those self-same ancestors which, equally, isn't "fair".
I had a recent thought about the Hunter's Nightmare and how we travel backwards through events: The Amygdala early in Yharnam is not a dead husk. It is forming out of the blood and ashes.
A theory I have had since The Old Hunters came out, but which I never really see mentioned much in relation to the Curse of Kos and its connections to the main plotline of the story in the base game of Bloodborne. This line of speculation is primarily that the Hunter's Dream was created SPECIFICALLY in response to the curse itself, as a reactive measure to save the hunters from the nightmare that drew them into their own kind of hell or purgatory through the bloodlust discussed in this video. It was Laurence and Gehrman who beckoned the Moon Presence utilizing the knowledge they gained, partially from the Fishing Hamlet (perhaps they even used the umbilical cords FROM the Orphan? That is another theory entirely, perchance), and my belief is that the Moon Presence fashioned a contract with Laurence, through Gehrman, to precipitate the creation of the Hunter's Dream as a sanctuary to oppose the Hunter's Nightmare we see in the DLC, which fits some of the thematic contrast you discuss in this video as well, I'd argue. I do believe the MP had the ulterior motive of gaining power via blood echoes gained from the cyclical hunts done by the chosen "paleblood hunters" through its conduit, the Doll and the Dream, and also used the existence of the Dream and its facilitation of the hunt as a means of destroying Great One competition (like Mergo in the main game's plot). However, the Dream also did indeed function as promised as well, to save certain chosen hunters from the Nightmare and give them repeated life upon death instead of falling into the depravity of Kos's damnation. How this connects to Eileen's Hunter of Hunters clan and the sky burials and such is hard to say, I don't have any real conjecture on that front, BUT you bringing up the item description of her set is what made me remember this theory of mine, as I feel it fits surprisingly well in some respects and possibly holds a link between the Hunter's Dream and the Curse of Kos. What are your thoughts on the concept behind the theory that the Hunter's Dream was made to save those who cursed themselves and all future "hunters" (however broadly that scope stretches, it seems to end up affects even those vaguely related to the hunt in Yharnam which means the Curse of Kos is truly brutal and unrelenting in its indiscriminate spread...just look at Gascoigne's fate)? Could it be that Laurence was desperate to save himself from the curse he brought upon him and the Byrgenwerth hunters by precipitating the massacre of the Fishing Hamlet and consuming blood that led to beasthood, and Gehrman agreed to be his tool for this venture, leading to his own imprisonment in the Dream? As is typical for Laurence, it didn't end up saving him from the Nightmare, but I still wonder if this theory holds water after all these years, because I feel it's such a central lore point with a whole lot of potential.
"[W]ith the hope that former compatriots might be returned to the skies[.]" "The Sky and the Cosmos are One." I feel so dumb that I only just now but those two bits of information together.
Of all the theories I've encountered regarding the Fishing Hamlet, I think this one is the best and most compelling. I love the notion of the people of the Fishing Hamlet living in communion and symbiosis with the Mother Of Kos prior to the arrival of the Hunters and the Byrgenwerth butchers. It is VERY much in keeping with the source material from Lovecraft, especially the short story The Shadow Over Innsmouth. I know Bloodborne is only loosely based on Lovecraft but The Shadow Over Innsmouth is one of his foundational mythologies within his universe. In it, the villagers willingly commune with the Dagon-entity in a mutually beneficial relationship. Regardless, you wove a great narrative out of this material. Good job!
It’s almost reminiscent of the Garden of Eden. Man walked with deity until it decided to search out forbidden knowledge and arrogantly transgress in order to make themselves like the divine. All those connected to these transgressions are cursed to forever suffer
What happened in the Fishing Village stays with you. It's the equivalent of raping a whole town. Disturbing, haunting; it goes deep beyond the game because it mirrors what happened during real wars (check out the sino-japanese war crimes) - there are no words to describe the horror. As much as I love the souls trilogy, Bloodborne goes beyond all that. It's horror echoes reality; it is visceral, solid, heavy, relentless.
This game (and especially the dlc) is spectacular for showing a very untouched part of cosmic horror. We humans are just as much as a cosmic monstrosity to these Gods as they are to us. Maybe even worse...
Not only does he cause frenzy but is immune to firearms has flame and electricity control so not only immune but can offensively use them infinite stamina and hunters bone dash and above all nullifies bloodtinge preventing you from using it and can also wield it making him only valuable to the kos parasite and beast mode or he could just be the master of an even more potent dream where you never find the source and are damned for eternity in chalice dungeons fighting winter lanterns and amygdala with sages as normal enemies
I feel Kos is the most interesting Great One because it's practically the only Great one who could be seen as a decent and benign being. It seemed if the crime did not happen, the village and her would have lived in strangeness, but also peace.
Bloodborne was a striking game, not only in its visuals and gameplay, but in its deep, dark lore that went far beyond what I could have imagined. Thanks for making this man, It's always nostalgic to learn more about this game.
My first time watching anything you made not Elden Ring related, Im very excited as I love this game vey much and never really delved deep into the dlc. Glad you made some vids as I love your content, thnx again!
The parallels between Buddhist mythology/ Japanese folktales with Bloodborne’s own narrative is one I never considered. Seriously enlightening stuff! BB has one of my all time favorite settings and history in any media and this just added a whole nother level of appreciation for me
Bloodborne is my favorite game and this is why: no other game that I've come across puts such a deep dive into the lore and the story, where elements like this are STILL being discussed six years later. I'm a little late to the discussion here, but you've given me a lot to think about, and I can't help but agree with all the points being made. Incredible, honestly. I love this game so much.
That "mother is dead, her baby taken" chanting is so fucking creepy but I don't remember her saying that in the game, just the "curse the children forever true, etc."
Not quite halfway yet, but it just struck me the Drifting Ashore God has similarities with the rite of Communion. In the latter case there is room to argue the degree of symbolism, but in the former the eating of the divine flesh is quite literal. Not sure what it may mean in the context of Bloodborne, but an interesting parallel across cultures. On a bit of a tangent, the Greeks had a practice of eating the meat of a sacrifice while bones and fat and such were for the gods. A far cry from consuming the divine essence directly, they are sharing a meal with their gods. Just food for thought.
This video made me realize that Bloodborne has a nice double meaning. Blood borne referring to how diseases and viruses are spread which is relevant to the beast blood and the infection that came with ingesting it. And then the other meaning, Blood Born, meaning the hunters were born into the vicious cycle of paying for the original sin which was caused by the Old Hunters. They're cursed forever more, and are therefore blood-born. Hahaha idk if that's a stretch but I like that connection.
I always thought the child of Kos was Ebrittas, daughter of the cosmos. Which is why she is always looking up towards her slayin mother in the dream realms above yharnam. If you walk out on the water at the fishing hamlet you see yharnam and the grand cathedral below where she would be. There are also parallels between the old hunters dream route to the final great one and how you traverse upper cathedral ward. The one we fight called the orphan of Kos is Gherman. We kill all of those who were involved in the massacre, we kill their nightmare forms I guess. Gherman being the final one for us to slay, he wasn't a great one at all as we never got the notification when he is slain that we do when you kill a great one. It seemed to me like an eye for an eye type of deal where we had to take responsibility for our ancestors ignorant curiosity. Thus born from the Kosom was the curse of the first hunter Gherman. The nightmare he screams out help from when sleeping in the hunters dream is the old hunters nightmare which is a parallel to the chalice dungeons. Where one is a projection of the other I feel. But this is just my theory on everything. Tell me what you think of it or not meh.
Ebrietas is found in the Isz catacomb, because all other great ones from Isz ascended, and she was unable to. You find her mourning at Rom's corpse because she is sad that she cannot ascend like Rom. The Orphan has clearly ascended, as it exists in a nightmare, which sets it apart from Ebrietas. Also, after killing the Orphan of Kos, a shadowy form appears tied to the corpse of Kos. Upon hitting it, you get the "nightmare slain" text, denoting the Orphan as a Great One. Feel free to issue any corrections.
Recently revisited bloodborne again and rewatching all your videos on bloodborne, this has got to be one of the best discussion videos! I love the intro it really sets the tone of this DLC 😌
Brah loved the video! Bloodborne is my favourite game and has been since I first played it back in 2015. The parallels you made between the game and the bible was pretty inspiring. Loved it!
Years later and i'm just finding these bloodborne lore videos: Just amazing stuff. Never drew the parallels between The death of Jesus as the child of God with the death of Kos as the child of a Great One, Kos. Just insane lore by fromsoft. WTF were they smoking/drinking when they created this world.
It's amazing how 5-6 years after the release of the game we still thinking about it and trying to figure it out, one of the most beautiful and important games in history
Hear me out. The great ones cannot have children. We understand this but this condition can take many forms. All we know is that apparently they can't have children. What if mother kos beached herself so that her unborn child could survive? If she dies and her unborn child then rises from her corpse then technically she didn't "have" the child. Then the hunters came and desecrated what was essentially the cause for her sacrifice.
Ancenstral Guilt/Sin is in Some way true. When you think of it the action of our elders affects the environment,emotions,beliefs,reaction and behaviours of young ones. And may or will passed down to next generation.
Question, Where is the child of mother Kos? I mean, where is its body? Because, as you said; if we take the events of Bloodborne chronologically, the events at the beginning of the game happen long after what happened in the fishing village. So if they took her child, its body must be somewhere in the game, right?
@@Ava-my9yj That is the umbilical cord of the vilebloods it was changed in patch one bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/One+Third+of+Umbilical+Cord go to trivia
@@paleoleft I'm referencing the "child" of the original post, the child of Kosm, not the child of Yharnam. Since your mum left, I can see why u would make that mistake :p
It’s been a while since I’ve just sat down and watched some souls lore because I’ve watched most videos on TH-cam but your channel has got me back into that souls mood Thank You!
Maria was definitely the first hunter of hunters. The blade of mercy is the only weapon aside from the burial blade made of siderite and it’s fighting style is very similar to the rakuyos. Plus it’s states that the first hunter of hunters came from a foreign land, and cainhurst definitely fits.
I still am curious about why they say “kos is dead.” I think if anything it makes sense that she was alive but Gehrman entered the ocean the same way we enter the lake to fight Rom. I think it makes more sense that Kos is just a former boss Gehrman left behind and we have to take the table scraps lol Assuming Kos was harder than the Orphan. Also id like to point out the surgery alter statue seems to imply Willem, Mensis, and the Choir were working together on Kos, this to me implies that Willem didn’t split from Laurence until after The Hamlet. Hence why he would have the cord (now in fake Iosefka’s possession) after separating from Laurence. I also would like to point out how people appear in the Nightmare after death, like the Older Madaras Twin, but since he was not Blood Drunk he died and left said Nightmare.
I always get confused about it, in the DLC, the rumors say that the old hunters began to dissapear, not to die especificly, and if you have the eye of a blood drunk hunter an amigdala take you there phisicaly, and prople like Simon, Vart, Brador are pretty alive (at least for me). Gehrman did'nt go there because of the hunter's dream, but when you kill him he defently stay dead. So I think it doesn't matter if you are alive or not, you still get there... somehow??? The other is that, Kos death could have happen before even Byrgenwerth appear, and my theory is bassed on the references. The hamlet used the parasites that lived inside Kos to... whatever they did with them, and if you read about japanese culture, they often believed that when a whale die on the beach, people thought it was a Kami that sacrifices himself to help the village, and the way Kosm is in the shore, (I mean, how other way could the hamlet get so many parasites, seems unlikely that Kos give them to the village) maybe her corpse just get stuck on the beach. Following then, Kos cursed the hunters for stealing the "umbilical cord" that her child needed to ascend and mature as a great one and that's why the orphan looks old.
David Atehortua David Atehortua Firstly whose Vart? Valtr? Secondly im saying that it appears as if things that die in the waking world just move from layer to layer of the nightmare realms. With the massacre of the Hamlet it seems that the fish people there had appeared there after death, the Orphan as well. We see Simon alive and Brador but whats the difference between them and the rest of the Hunters? They aren’t insane, they aren’t blooddrunk. So it seems when they die they move on to the next Nightmare realm, oddly though Simon and Brador don’t dissolve like other Hunter kills do. As for Kos in the Shadow over Innsmouth the town goers make sacrifice’s to the Deep Ones in return for riches and fish. Considering how benevolent the town and Kos is there was probably a symbiotic relationship between the town and her. As for the Orphan incase it isnt clear the Orphan of Kos we fight is actually Gehrman. Compare the cries the Orphan gives at the intro to Gehrman’s cry as he asks to be unshackled under the red moon. They are the same cry. Not to mention the Orphan’s placenta and strands of flesh cape resemble Gehrman. What this appears to be is Gehrman would be in the Nightmare if he wasn’t the Host of the Hunter’s Dream. He would’ve been in the same body as the Orphan meant to suffer with it. So when Gehrman is asleep having a Nightmare he is most likely being drifted off to the Nightmare experiencing what the Orphan does. Similar to how The Doll dreams of Lady Maria Once we kill Maria and the Orphan, a change is noticed on both The Doll and Gehrman, both have been freed of the Nightmare.
Loved the biblical comparisons. But I think another curse could be accounted for here as inspiration of the hunters nightmare. The curse of Cain. In the book of genesis, Cain murders Abel, his righteous brother who reverently worships God in an act of jealousy and greed. He is then visited by God, who describes how Abel’s spirit wants vengeance for his murder. Cain is then cursed to wander the land with a mark on him. Cain had followers who departed from that area with him and dwelt in the land of Nod. According to several apocryphal texts, it is said Cain wandered the earth killing and destroying everything he came across, and passed on his mark to his children and their children. So in essence, it’s a blood curse.
I love how we got our answers and yet we still feel like we missed something. Only lore I feel like we don’t have everything on are on the land of Loran which seems to sit in sunlight and desert. And the pthumerians and cainhurst. I’m pretty sure cainhurst are descendants of pthumerians and that pthumerians we’re descendants of lords similar to dark souls lords. As they have remnants of lost arcanes, sentient demon beast, and magic-staff like weapons similar to dark souls.
@@basicsyphilis8 one the very few games iv got a platinum in. iv bought the game three times lol... Although one was for my friend so we could Co op. the second was because my first ps4 was stolen years ago and I wanted to play though it again.
I had a fanfic in mind, that the hunter, (our character) was suicidal with the truth of killing Innocents, and went mad when discovering the truth, but a learned alchemist nonetheless. They use their knowledge to sacrifice himself to raise Kos where they have fear of drowning, and so plunges themselves in the water as they slowly die, facing their fear, hatred and bloodlust and taking on their sins. But Kos takes pity on them, and in their dying breath, she bonds them with her dead child, marking them as her own, and in turn sacrifices herself to raise her new child in this new body, to both take revenge, forgive and defeat the curse. This, in conjunction with the umbilical cords, is what allow you to become a newborn great one, in my eyes.
Love your videos, friend and fellow nerd. Keep up the good work. And thanks for revisiting one of my favorite titles. It has some of the best lore out there.
On my first play through of Bloodborne and I like the gameplay but the lore is so complex and complicated you almost get thrown into it and just want to learn more and more
If you loved Bloodborne, do yourself a favour and give the others a try. You won't regret it. I hate to say this, but if the first one feels slow to you, maybe try starting with dark souls 3 and you could always work your way back. They're so good. Not quite Bloodborne, but still awesome.
@@basicsyphilis8 hahaha nawh man. I own and beat all the games, did all the bosses, but I'm not a platinum kind of guy. I like the games, but going for platinum seems a bit tedious lmao
Every Great One inevitably loses their child and yearns for a surrogate. This implies that the stillbirth of a Great One's child is a necessary byproduct of their attempts to reproduce, which is why they need to impregnate humans and their ancestors as surrogates. So what if Kos, being the great mother that she is, decided to lay down her own life for the sake of her child, which is why she died and washed up onshore while still being pregnant? Then the scholars and hunters show up, butcher the hamlet's inhabitants, and rip out the umbilical cord of Kos' child (which is how they got the bait to beckon the Moon Presence in the first place), killing it in the process. It'd be especially ironic if in their quest to ascend, they killed what could have been the bridge between humanity and the Great Ones, and instead beckoned a malicious god that only used them to carry out its own desires. Humanity gets its second chance, however, once the Moon Presence is killed and enough Great One umbilical cords are consumed to transcend the Good Hunter into an infant Great One, like the Orphan of Kos was supposed to be before he was aborted.
I would argue one addition to this theory. I do not think that the Orphan of Kos was dissected by the Scholars. I think it was studied then used for early Dream Experiments that led to the Hunter’s Dream, making the likely Identity of the Orphan of Kos to be the Moon Presence, AKA Flora. There are a few hints to this in the game and some cut content. When the Orphan is “born” or whatever you call that during the cutscene he looks out at the moon. The Moon Presence’s body is still a little humanoid underneath the tentacles. In cut content there appears to be a fight with a half formed moon presence on the beach where the Orphan is fought. To follow this then comes the endings of the game. Every ending except the ending where the Moon Presence is slain results in new Hunters continuing to exist thus fulfilling the Curse of Kos where the Descendants of the Hunters would be cursed forever by supplying Hunters to it. Side note: Purgatory and Hell are not the same in a theological sense. The Hunter’s Nightmare is a Hell not a Purgatory. Not gonna get into the details of that here.
I actually kind of like the idea that Maria is talking about leaving a corpse well alone because she regrets what they did to the villagers after slaughtering them, and that she's trying to protect the village and the orphan from us.
This was awesome I really enjoyed its content and delivery I only wish the parallels to queen yharnum and kos were discussed along with the relationship with kos and the other great ones involved in the overall world as they all stem from kos. And how lawrence has ended up underneath Ludwig in the center of the hunters nightmare as the manifestation of the besst curse set alight and resting upon an alter
This was really cool. I've always interpreted as the hunters killed Kos and took her baby. Never considered the possibility that she was already dead upon her arrival to the hamlet as per the parasite description
That's what I always thought as well. I interpreted the hamlet story as the great one showing up in the bay and making a deal with the village to give them the parasites and other things, in return she could stay there. When the church heard of a village that came in contact and made a deal with a great one, they sent out hunters to take kos by force, but while trying to take her they accidentally killed her, they were then ordered to cut her apart to look for eyes and augers. While they were butchering her, gerhman and Maria eventually discovered she was pregnant and were then ordered to take her baby. When the villagers learned that not only was their god killed and butchered, but her baby stolen. They cursed the hunters, making them thirst for blood like they did when they murdered their god. Thus, in combination of the curse from queen yharnam turning people into beasts, and the curse from kos making people crave blood, the church, and the city eventually fell to ruin.
If I understood correctly original child of Kos looked nothing like Orphan of Kos it was more like the mother (sluggish thing). While Orphan of Kos got his human-like representation in the dream because of hunters who in fact desecrated the corpse of Kos and given the child to Healing Church which brutally killed and dissected it. So basically Orphan of Kos is a product of "rape" which was committed by hunters a while ago and when we kill it in nightmare we basically relief its soul (black figure in the end of video) which returns back to the ocean, where it belongs (btw looks like Herman had connection with Orphan from the Hunter's Dream, because after Orphan's death he sleeps well once for a very long time). Also not connected but interesting thing: Micolash says that Kos granted godhood to Rom who was a student of Master Willem, but not to the last one. My interpretation, but it was sort of the punishment for Byrgenwerth's role in this sin: random student gets this power, but not the one who made so much to get in contact with the Great Ones.
Great explanation. Bloodborne is cemented well within my top three games of all time. How many games this old still have an audience and a burning desire for a sequel amongst them?
I think Fishing Hamlet in Nightmare is in a sense stuck in a limbo. It's inhabitants are unaware of things happening around them and time is still. Inhabitants of Hamlet fished Kos and worshipped it as divine and Byrgenwerthians thought that only they should have knowledge of Great Ones and thus wanted to take it to themselves. For some reason they did not do it, but their greed did influence Kos to bear a child. Maybe it was already doing it as benevolent god, but changed its mind towards vengeance. When Hunter arrives to Kos' corpse it brings time and thus Orphan of Kos is born with great pain to a world of suffering which wants it dead.
It says a great one can’t bear a child but the orphan of cos is shown to be german, so german took the place of the child and is being cured that is why you take its place as the child when the moon presence comes.
I’m personally not sure if Ludwig was ever truly overcome by the curse of beasts or blood, it feels like unbeknownst to him he exists in that layer of the nightmare to punish the hunters who sinned endlessly while he himself teeters on the edge of his own sanity
Im trying to figure out the whole beginning quote so far ive heard this: A call to the bloodless wherever they be, mother is dead her baby taken x2, ____ her suffering the grief of kos, do you hear it? The seerless void the lair of beasts, where the bloodcrazed roam. Anybody able to help me figure the rest out? That blank part is difficult to hear over the water noises. Edit- spelling
I always have this belief the sins of the father are not the sins of the son and my hunter would refuse to be held responsible for the sins of his ancestors and choose instead to defy a petty curse laid by a petty god
Today, I just finished The Old Hunters DLC for the first time ever. And all I'll say is an already 10/10 game just became a 15/10. Jesus Kos-kissing Christ.
Can someone explain why Workshop Hunters were present at the Fishing Hamlet and working for Byrgenwerth? It would make sense if the Healing Church were behind the raid on the Hamlet.
I am not sure if the Old Hunters artbook is canon, but it states that the hunters killed Kos and I always wondered why we don’t find more hunters we encounter like Gascoigne again in this area
Precisely because she’s already been killed. Their job was done, basically. Also I wouldn’t try too hard to make sense out of the level layouts or enemy placements in the DLC as it is a nightmare and therefore convoluted by nature but also layered. The player is meant to find out the secrets by peeling back layer after layer, first encountering the blood-drunk trapped hunters then the person protecting the secret of those hunters‘ sin and finally said secret.
No one else think there is a second corpse that comes out with Orphan in the boss cutscene? The camera even focusses on what looks like a skeleton of another orphan
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I still think about Bloodborne every day. No other game will ever live in my head like that.
zamplify I think we all have eyes in our heads now
same. Every day I wish I can delete the bloodborne memory, so I could play it again for the first time.
I still hear the humming. The God forsaken humming
I still PVP and make new characters regularly. I live for the return times now.
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Blood-drunk as ever I see.
A thought crossed my mind
_How does Kos curses the children of hunters?_
Well, every child inherits something from their progenitors: *Blood*
Fear the old blood suddenly sounds like it has an extra meaning
I like it, but unless the player character was born from a hunter it is false and given you can make your character an old man I would believe it to not be an accurate interpretation.
I think you misread it doesn't mean the player is born from a hunter just that the player is a hunter
Hunters and there children are cursed not just the children of hunters
@@kingkangiv1615 in Yharnam not everyone is a Hunter of the church but almost everyone participates in the hunt soooo, technically everyone would be cursed and everyone's children forever and ever
@@kingkangiv1615 in the beginning of the game you get a blood transfusion by that one hunter right before you wake up to start the game, so you kinda share their blood
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even death may die." The corpse of Kos may have washed up on shore, but given the unique nature of these cosmic entities, being a corpse and being "dead" *are two very different things.* Kos was still aware, if not alive, when its child was taken, and there's a possibility that her child was still alive when it was found. Having her child stolen, dissected alive, and "killed" in the process...
Not only would Kos be so angry that she'd gladly visit a curse on the interlopers, but no doubt her child would have been filled with rage and madness at having experienced such a fate for itself.
I've thought for awhile that Kos's "corpse" refers to her physical body after she ascends to one of those "transcendental planes of thought" mentioned in the Isz Root Chalice. We know that this was probably a concept that the development team had in mind, because of the cut content featuring the body of the Moon Presence that was supposed to be found in the chalice dungeons.
An orphan is only an orphan if they survive their parents. I think Kos's child was taken alive by the hunters. And that is also why it is so obliquely alluded to, because it truly is so horrific. Not just a dead baby, but a living one was taken.
"Mother is dead and her baby taken" always makes me feel so sad:( it's such a hopeless and tragic phrase. I love Bloodborne so much, it always hits me in the feels one way or another
I think that is hard for us see how big is the sin/crime really
Hell yeah !!! Who gives a shit about a god that uses me as a puppet ?!!!
FAST.FOOD.NINJA:LARRY Lots of Great Ones are sympathetic to human suffering, others are exploitative (Moon Presence, Oeden, etc.)
@@SeppukuAddict Yeah i know that but i dont know i just cant buy it you know ?!!! Like who could know the hidden agenda of Mother Of Kos ?!!!
@@fast.food.ninjalarry954 Not so hidden really. The Church oversees ALL blood tranfusion, so anyone hoping to become a Hunter (with the capital H) will do so through the Church because they are the ones calling the shots. Kos is just avenging her lost child posthumously, and it's a pretty fair curse you know? The Hunters, under orders from the Church, killed villagers and abducted others for experimentation, pillaged their skulls for evidence of Great Ones and cut the still living Orphan of Kos from his mother's corpse and took his umbilical cord.
9:47 In the Japanese version she actually says “Corpse-fishing is not very admirable”
English is better
@@petermyweiner6688 when a language is superior 🤣
@@petermyweiner6688 you're still reading it in English though how do you know?
We are born from the Lore, made man by the Lore, undone by the Lore!
Thanks for the laugh b.
Our eyes are yet to open
@@patwaddington
I beg my leave Master,
I'll never forget our adage.
Men*
Jose Tomas Campos Robledano The original creed of Byrgenwerth was far more explicit and interesting I think. “Blood makes us human, makes us more than human, makes us human no more”
It always struck me from the Umbilical Cord descriptions about every Great One losing their child, that this was not about their lack of ability in creating or conceiving a child, but an allusion to having or taken, removed, or lost.
I think you guys are being too rigid about the whole 'A corpse should be left well alone.' I think Maria is talking about herself but referencing the event of the hamlet. That she was talking about both. Sort of like saying this is what happens when you disturb the dead, maybe next time you'll think twice before doing it. Japan loves double meanings.
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I sort of took it as having multiple meanings, also referring to the corpse of Kos, as the Church desecrated her corpse and took the orphan.
Oh I 100% agree . Maria is referencing both herself as well as Kos corpse that Hunters/scholars desecrated due to their sheer thirst for knowledge of unknown and took her baby from within her. So Kos cursed Hunters to end up in the nightmare so to keep her child alive but also to punish Hunters for taking and possibly killing it in the waking world
@PessiOpt 9 I like to think that the Vilebloods are either a different type of blood usage or an a completely different faction more akin to vampires, which explains why they're opposed factions.
but I dunno, I need to replay the game and pay attention to the lore more.
I believe the same thing personally. It is almost absolutely a double entendre.
I’ve been binge watching and rewatching lore videos on dark souls/blood borne and THIS CAME OUT ?!? The gods has granted us eyes, but are yet to open
Thank you smoughtown
Cleanse our minds of beastly idiocy 😢
Hope you do some more Bloodborne lore. It’s by far the most interesting lore in all from games.
Man Like Shark really want to do more!
Sekiro is way overlooked when it comes to lore honestly
@@TheNightWolf-WildCraft Because it's not nearly as deep and layered as the other From Games
@@deaconstj19 incorrect
@@gustavolemos5913 Incorrect what? I didn't say that the lore in Sekiro is bad or anything, just that it's nowhere near the vast, deep and layered lore that the Souls and Bloodborne have. It's simple, really. Sekiro has much much fewer characters, locations, bosses and backgrounds and thus its lore is not as rich
Everyone always shouts how paying for the sins of one's ancestors isn't "fair", but nobody has a problem enjoying the fruits of the labors of those self-same ancestors which, equally, isn't "fair".
I had a recent thought about the Hunter's Nightmare and how we travel backwards through events:
The Amygdala early in Yharnam is not a dead husk.
It is forming out of the blood and ashes.
When all is melted in blood, all is reborn.
So Amygdala are born in the Nightmares, maybe that's why they are the only way to get into a Nightmare.
@@jacobhoover1654 that makes alot of sense. An amygdala wouldn't have any trouble in a nightmare. What with being psuedo great ones.
A theory I have had since The Old Hunters came out, but which I never really see mentioned much in relation to the Curse of Kos and its connections to the main plotline of the story in the base game of Bloodborne. This line of speculation is primarily that the Hunter's Dream was created SPECIFICALLY in response to the curse itself, as a reactive measure to save the hunters from the nightmare that drew them into their own kind of hell or purgatory through the bloodlust discussed in this video. It was Laurence and Gehrman who beckoned the Moon Presence utilizing the knowledge they gained, partially from the Fishing Hamlet (perhaps they even used the umbilical cords FROM the Orphan? That is another theory entirely, perchance), and my belief is that the Moon Presence fashioned a contract with Laurence, through Gehrman, to precipitate the creation of the Hunter's Dream as a sanctuary to oppose the Hunter's Nightmare we see in the DLC, which fits some of the thematic contrast you discuss in this video as well, I'd argue.
I do believe the MP had the ulterior motive of gaining power via blood echoes gained from the cyclical hunts done by the chosen "paleblood hunters" through its conduit, the Doll and the Dream, and also used the existence of the Dream and its facilitation of the hunt as a means of destroying Great One competition (like Mergo in the main game's plot). However, the Dream also did indeed function as promised as well, to save certain chosen hunters from the Nightmare and give them repeated life upon death instead of falling into the depravity of Kos's damnation. How this connects to Eileen's Hunter of Hunters clan and the sky burials and such is hard to say, I don't have any real conjecture on that front, BUT you bringing up the item description of her set is what made me remember this theory of mine, as I feel it fits surprisingly well in some respects and possibly holds a link between the Hunter's Dream and the Curse of Kos.
What are your thoughts on the concept behind the theory that the Hunter's Dream was made to save those who cursed themselves and all future "hunters" (however broadly that scope stretches, it seems to end up affects even those vaguely related to the hunt in Yharnam which means the Curse of Kos is truly brutal and unrelenting in its indiscriminate spread...just look at Gascoigne's fate)? Could it be that Laurence was desperate to save himself from the curse he brought upon him and the Byrgenwerth hunters by precipitating the massacre of the Fishing Hamlet and consuming blood that led to beasthood, and Gehrman agreed to be his tool for this venture, leading to his own imprisonment in the Dream? As is typical for Laurence, it didn't end up saving him from the Nightmare, but I still wonder if this theory holds water after all these years, because I feel it's such a central lore point with a whole lot of potential.
"[W]ith the hope that former compatriots might be returned to the skies[.]"
"The Sky and the Cosmos are One."
I feel so dumb that I only just now but those two bits of information together.
4 years later and we are still getting high quality lore videos. Bloodborne's greatness is something to behold.
19:26 Very bold move to roll backwards for Ludwigs big slash
yeah, what a chad
@@maniago2309 yeah what a me
Of all the theories I've encountered regarding the Fishing Hamlet, I think this one is the best and most compelling. I love the notion of the people of the Fishing Hamlet living in communion and symbiosis with the Mother Of Kos prior to the arrival of the Hunters and the Byrgenwerth butchers. It is VERY much in keeping with the source material from Lovecraft, especially the short story The Shadow Over Innsmouth. I know Bloodborne is only loosely based on Lovecraft but The Shadow Over Innsmouth is one of his foundational mythologies within his universe. In it, the villagers willingly commune with the Dagon-entity in a mutually beneficial relationship.
Regardless, you wove a great narrative out of this material. Good job!
It’s almost reminiscent of the Garden of Eden. Man walked with deity until it decided to search out forbidden knowledge and arrogantly transgress in order to make themselves like the divine. All those connected to these transgressions are cursed to forever suffer
What happened in the Fishing Village stays with you. It's the equivalent of raping a whole town. Disturbing, haunting; it goes deep beyond the game because it mirrors what happened during real wars (check out the sino-japanese war crimes) - there are no words to describe the horror.
As much as I love the souls trilogy, Bloodborne goes beyond all that. It's horror echoes reality; it is visceral, solid, heavy, relentless.
This game (and especially the dlc) is spectacular for showing a very untouched part of cosmic horror. We humans are just as much as a cosmic monstrosity to these Gods as they are to us. Maybe even worse...
Imagine an adult orphan of Kos.
God have mercy
It's the exact same fight, but now he inflicts frenzy
For some reason I imagined a giant buff orphan with big ass butterfly wings doing a JoJo pose
@@kingcalamity4350 by looking at you.
Not only does he cause frenzy but is immune to firearms has flame and electricity control so not only immune but can offensively use them infinite stamina and hunters bone dash and above all nullifies bloodtinge preventing you from using it and can also wield it making him only valuable to the kos parasite and beast mode or he could just be the master of an even more potent dream where you never find the source and are damned for eternity in chalice dungeons fighting winter lanterns and amygdala with sages as normal enemies
F*CK off mate your giving us nightmare
I've gained some Insight after this, well done!
I feel Kos is the most interesting Great One because it's practically the only Great one who could be seen as a decent and benign being.
It seemed if the crime did not happen, the village and her would have lived in strangeness, but also peace.
I like this a lot... basically despite the "weird going on", there, everyone involved was down for the weirdness and it was functioning
Love the bloodbourne lore I feel like there is still more to cover even after all this time
Bloodborne was a striking game, not only in its visuals and gameplay, but in its deep, dark lore that went far beyond what I could have imagined. Thanks for making this man, It's always nostalgic to learn more about this game.
I loved the full chants you inserted, very chilling and haunting. 💀
Also, Eileen is a representation of the Buddhist practice of the sky burial. Her set even mentions a return to the sky after death.
My first time watching anything you made not Elden Ring related, Im very excited as I love this game vey much and never really delved deep into the dlc. Glad you made some vids as I love your content, thnx again!
Thank so much, will hopefully get back to Bloodborne some day!
The parallels between Buddhist mythology/ Japanese folktales with Bloodborne’s own narrative is one I never considered. Seriously enlightening stuff! BB has one of my all time favorite settings and history in any media and this just added a whole nother level of appreciation for me
Bloodborne is my favorite game and this is why: no other game that I've come across puts such a deep dive into the lore and the story, where elements like this are STILL being discussed six years later. I'm a little late to the discussion here, but you've given me a lot to think about, and I can't help but agree with all the points being made. Incredible, honestly. I love this game so much.
Awesome video man I remember the podcast with Sin and Richie! Always a pleasure watching your videos bro!
Horaud thanks my man! I really appreciate you checking it out
That "mother is dead, her baby taken" chanting is so fucking creepy but I don't remember her saying that in the game, just the "curse the children forever true, etc."
Thank you for the video, this is the best take on BB DLC I've seen so far. A bit deeper than the rest out there.
I still play Bloodborne from time to time, there's nothing like it, what a masterpiece.
Man, I could listen to your voice for hours. Great video as always
Thanks so much! I appreciate that
@@SmoughTown are you scottish?
noobmaster69 yeah man!
@@SmoughTown nice. i like your voice and style too! keep it up man
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Dang, the voice acting in this is just beautiful.
This was one of the best Bloodborne lore videos I've ever watched, please make more!
Not quite halfway yet, but it just struck me the Drifting Ashore God has similarities with the rite of Communion.
In the latter case there is room to argue the degree of symbolism, but in the former the eating of the divine flesh is quite literal.
Not sure what it may mean in the context of Bloodborne, but an interesting parallel across cultures.
On a bit of a tangent, the Greeks had a practice of eating the meat of a sacrifice while bones and fat and such were for the gods. A far cry from consuming the divine essence directly, they are sharing a meal with their gods.
Just food for thought.
This video made me realize that Bloodborne has a nice double meaning. Blood borne referring to how diseases and viruses are spread which is relevant to the beast blood and the infection that came with ingesting it. And then the other meaning, Blood Born, meaning the hunters were born into the vicious cycle of paying for the original sin which was caused by the Old Hunters. They're cursed forever more, and are therefore blood-born. Hahaha idk if that's a stretch but I like that connection.
I always thought the child of Kos was Ebrittas, daughter of the cosmos. Which is why she is always looking up towards her slayin mother in the dream realms above yharnam. If you walk out on the water at the fishing hamlet you see yharnam and the grand cathedral below where she would be. There are also parallels between the old hunters dream route to the final great one and how you traverse upper cathedral ward. The one we fight called the orphan of Kos is Gherman. We kill all of those who were involved in the massacre, we kill their nightmare forms I guess. Gherman being the final one for us to slay, he wasn't a great one at all as we never got the notification when he is slain that we do when you kill a great one. It seemed to me like an eye for an eye type of deal where we had to take responsibility for our ancestors ignorant curiosity. Thus born from the Kosom was the curse of the first hunter Gherman. The nightmare he screams out help from when sleeping in the hunters dream is the old hunters nightmare which is a parallel to the chalice dungeons. Where one is a projection of the other I feel. But this is just my theory on everything. Tell me what you think of it or not meh.
Im pretty sure she is looking at the corpse of Rom on the alter in front of her, it doesn't look like she is looking up.
Ebrietas is found in the Isz catacomb, because all other great ones from Isz ascended, and she was unable to. You find her mourning at Rom's corpse because she is sad that she cannot ascend like Rom. The Orphan has clearly ascended, as it exists in a nightmare, which sets it apart from Ebrietas. Also, after killing the Orphan of Kos, a shadowy form appears tied to the corpse of Kos. Upon hitting it, you get the "nightmare slain" text, denoting the Orphan as a Great One. Feel free to issue any corrections.
Recently revisited bloodborne again and rewatching all your videos on bloodborne, this has got to be one of the best discussion videos! I love the intro it really sets the tone of this DLC 😌
What if Ebrietas is the actual physical form of the Orphan that was taken away by the Church? She is called "daughter of the COSmos" after all
Brah loved the video! Bloodborne is my favourite game and has been since I first played it back in 2015. The parallels you made between the game and the bible was pretty inspiring. Loved it!
Years later and i'm just finding these bloodborne lore videos: Just amazing stuff. Never drew the parallels between The death of Jesus as the child of God with the death of Kos as the child of a Great One, Kos.
Just insane lore by fromsoft. WTF were they smoking/drinking when they created this world.
It's amazing how 5-6 years after the release of the game we still thinking about it and trying to figure it out, one of the most beautiful and important games in history
Thanks so much for clearing up a lot of my confusion about the dlc!
This video was so good well done!
bobjoneswof thanks my friend!
Hear me out. The great ones cannot have children. We understand this but this condition can take many forms. All we know is that apparently they can't have children. What if mother kos beached herself so that her unborn child could survive? If she dies and her unborn child then rises from her corpse then technically she didn't "have" the child. Then the hunters came and desecrated what was essentially the cause for her sacrifice.
No. The lore states that The Great Ones lose their children, meaning that they can never raise them to maturity.
Ancenstral Guilt/Sin is in Some way true. When you think of it the action of our elders affects the environment,emotions,beliefs,reaction and behaviours of young ones. And may or will passed down to next generation.
All the old companies have been ravaging this earth for hundred of years now. Ancestral sin is very much real
@@justinchalifoux4424 Yeah, and your sins will damn future generations too. :D
This is SO well made, and I love this interpretation of the lore!!! Phenomenal 😊
Thank you so much!
Question,
Where is the child of mother Kos? I mean, where is its body? Because, as you said; if we take the events of Bloodborne chronologically, the events at the beginning of the game happen long after what happened in the fishing village. So if they took her child, its body must be somewhere in the game, right?
XDRONIN you find its umbilical cord in the hunters workshop in the waking world
@@Ava-my9yj That is the umbilical cord of the vilebloods it was changed in patch one bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/One+Third+of+Umbilical+Cord go to trivia
Isn't the Orphan the child?
@@jacobhoover1654 the child mergos wet nurse protects? if thats who you mean, then no, thats mergo, child of Queen Yharnam and presumably oedon
@@paleoleft I'm referencing the "child" of the original post, the child of Kosm, not the child of Yharnam. Since your mum left, I can see why u would make that mistake :p
It’s been a while since I’ve just sat down and watched some souls lore because I’ve watched most videos on TH-cam but your channel has got me back into that souls mood Thank You!
Maria was definitely the first hunter of hunters. The blade of mercy is the only weapon aside from the burial blade made of siderite and it’s fighting style is very similar to the rakuyos. Plus it’s states that the first hunter of hunters came from a foreign land, and cainhurst definitely fits.
I still am curious about why they say “kos is dead.” I think if anything it makes sense that she was alive but Gehrman entered the ocean the same way we enter the lake to fight Rom.
I think it makes more sense that Kos is just a former boss Gehrman left behind and we have to take the table scraps lol
Assuming Kos was harder than the Orphan.
Also id like to point out the surgery alter statue seems to imply Willem, Mensis, and the Choir were working together on Kos, this to me implies that Willem didn’t split from Laurence until after The Hamlet. Hence why he would have the cord (now in fake Iosefka’s possession) after separating from Laurence.
I also would like to point out how people appear in the Nightmare after death, like the Older Madaras Twin, but since he was not Blood Drunk he died and left said Nightmare.
I always get confused about it, in the DLC, the rumors say that the old hunters began to dissapear, not to die especificly, and if you have the eye of a blood drunk hunter an amigdala take you there phisicaly, and prople like Simon, Vart, Brador are pretty alive (at least for me). Gehrman did'nt go there because of the hunter's dream, but when you kill him he defently stay dead. So I think it doesn't matter if you are alive or not, you still get there... somehow???
The other is that, Kos death could have happen before even Byrgenwerth appear, and my theory is bassed on the references. The hamlet used the parasites that lived inside Kos to... whatever they did with them, and if you read about japanese culture, they often believed that when a whale die on the beach, people thought it was a Kami that sacrifices himself to help the village, and the way Kosm is in the shore, (I mean, how other way could the hamlet get so many parasites, seems unlikely that Kos give them to the village) maybe her corpse just get stuck on the beach. Following then, Kos cursed the hunters for stealing the "umbilical cord" that her child needed to ascend and mature as a great one and that's why the orphan looks old.
David Atehortua David Atehortua Firstly whose Vart? Valtr? Secondly im saying that it appears as if things that die in the waking world just move from layer to layer of the nightmare realms. With the massacre of the Hamlet it seems that the fish people there had appeared there after death, the Orphan as well.
We see Simon alive and Brador but whats the difference between them and the rest of the Hunters? They aren’t insane, they aren’t blooddrunk. So it seems when they die they move on to the next Nightmare realm, oddly though Simon and Brador don’t dissolve like other Hunter kills do.
As for Kos in the Shadow over Innsmouth the town goers make sacrifice’s to the Deep Ones in return for riches and fish.
Considering how benevolent the town and Kos is there was probably a symbiotic relationship between the town and her.
As for the Orphan incase it isnt clear the Orphan of Kos we fight is actually Gehrman. Compare the cries the Orphan gives at the intro to Gehrman’s cry as he asks to be unshackled under the red moon. They are the same cry. Not to mention the Orphan’s placenta and strands of flesh cape resemble Gehrman.
What this appears to be is Gehrman would be in the Nightmare if he wasn’t the Host of the Hunter’s Dream. He would’ve been in the same body as the Orphan meant to suffer with it. So when Gehrman is asleep having a Nightmare he is most likely being drifted off to the Nightmare experiencing what the Orphan does. Similar to how The Doll dreams of Lady Maria
Once we kill Maria and the Orphan, a change is noticed on both The Doll and Gehrman, both have been freed of the Nightmare.
@@chasethecringewolf2195 Why after death?, our character go there without dying, and I believe Simon too, perhaps the same way we did.
This might be the best video on Bloodborne lore to this day.
Loved the biblical comparisons. But I think another curse could be accounted for here as inspiration of the hunters nightmare. The curse of Cain.
In the book of genesis, Cain murders Abel, his righteous brother who reverently worships God in an act of jealousy and greed. He is then visited by God, who describes how Abel’s spirit wants vengeance for his murder. Cain is then cursed to wander the land with a mark on him. Cain had followers who departed from that area with him and dwelt in the land of Nod. According to several apocryphal texts, it is said Cain wandered the earth killing and destroying everything he came across, and passed on his mark to his children and their children. So in essence, it’s a blood curse.
Actually, fast forward to nowadays, this story instead kinda reminds me of the Dungeater from elden ring
I love how we got our answers and yet we still feel like we missed something. Only lore I feel like we don’t have everything on are on the land of Loran which seems to sit in sunlight and desert. And the pthumerians and cainhurst. I’m pretty sure cainhurst are descendants of pthumerians and that pthumerians we’re descendants of lords similar to dark souls lords. As they have remnants of lost arcanes, sentient demon beast, and magic-staff like weapons similar to dark souls.
And to think you had been making bloodborne content long before I found you.
Great video my friend!
That intro..... So chilling...... Love this games feel even till this day we need a bloodborne two
Lazarious 542 I do ❤️ this game as well. Sorry for asking but I have to.
Platinum?
BB was my 1st & I feel special 😅
@@basicsyphilis8 one the very few games iv got a platinum in. iv bought the game three times lol... Although one was for my friend so we could Co op. the second was because my first ps4 was stolen years ago and I wanted to play though it again.
Lazarious 542 💩 That blows! Your ps4 getting stolen 😱
I almost got the game a second time digitally on sale for $5
I had a fanfic in mind, that the hunter, (our character) was suicidal with the truth of killing Innocents, and went mad when discovering the truth, but a learned alchemist nonetheless.
They use their knowledge to sacrifice himself to raise Kos where they have fear of drowning, and so plunges themselves in the water as they slowly die, facing their fear, hatred and bloodlust and taking on their sins.
But Kos takes pity on them, and in their dying breath, she bonds them with her dead child, marking them as her own, and in turn sacrifices herself to raise her new child in this new body, to both take revenge, forgive and defeat the curse.
This, in conjunction with the umbilical cords, is what allow you to become a newborn great one, in my eyes.
@Danny BRITZMAN
Oh yeah I totally switched up between using him to they that gets confusing.
@Danny BRITZMAN lemme fix that
@Danny BRITZMAN
Ehhhhh wouldn't know how to make it my own.
I'm creative but not in that way.
@Danny BRITZMAN
Oh, yeah I can see that being a thing.
Love your videos, friend and fellow nerd. Keep up the good work. And thanks for revisiting one of my favorite titles. It has some of the best lore out there.
Madd Chassie Thanks bud! Totally agree
Excellent summary and evaluation!
DezoPenguin thanks my friend :)
On my first play through of Bloodborne and I like the gameplay but the lore is so complex and complicated you almost get thrown into it and just want to learn more and more
I love Bloodborne. Its the only From Soft game I have ever beat.
Sekiro is amazing as well never played any of the Souls games though a lil too slow for my taste
If you loved Bloodborne, do yourself a favour and give the others a try. You won't regret it. I hate to say this, but if the first one feels slow to you, maybe try starting with dark souls 3 and you could always work your way back. They're so good. Not quite Bloodborne, but still awesome.
Van Goghs Severed Ear I bet you have the platinum right? To Bloodborne? Maybe even the rest😅
@@basicsyphilis8 hahaha nawh man. I own and beat all the games, did all the bosses, but I'm not a platinum kind of guy. I like the games, but going for platinum seems a bit tedious lmao
@@basicsyphilis8 I wish but I did beat the moon dude and became a worm with super cosmic powers
Every Great One inevitably loses their child and yearns for a surrogate. This implies that the stillbirth of a Great One's child is a necessary byproduct of their attempts to reproduce, which is why they need to impregnate humans and their ancestors as surrogates. So what if Kos, being the great mother that she is, decided to lay down her own life for the sake of her child, which is why she died and washed up onshore while still being pregnant? Then the scholars and hunters show up, butcher the hamlet's inhabitants, and rip out the umbilical cord of Kos' child (which is how they got the bait to beckon the Moon Presence in the first place), killing it in the process. It'd be especially ironic if in their quest to ascend, they killed what could have been the bridge between humanity and the Great Ones, and instead beckoned a malicious god that only used them to carry out its own desires. Humanity gets its second chance, however, once the Moon Presence is killed and enough Great One umbilical cords are consumed to transcend the Good Hunter into an infant Great One, like the Orphan of Kos was supposed to be before he was aborted.
“In a more formal manner.”
Knowing how those podcasts go I severely doubt that.
I think he said informal
The fishing hamlet is my favorite part of bloodborne and probably the scariest for me. The fucking shark giants remind me of Dagon
I would argue one addition to this theory. I do not think that the Orphan of Kos was dissected by the Scholars. I think it was studied then used for early Dream Experiments that led to the Hunter’s Dream, making the likely Identity of the Orphan of Kos to be the Moon Presence, AKA Flora.
There are a few hints to this in the game and some cut content. When the Orphan is “born” or whatever you call that during the cutscene he looks out at the moon. The Moon Presence’s body is still a little humanoid underneath the tentacles.
In cut content there appears to be a fight with a half formed moon presence on the beach where the Orphan is fought.
To follow this then comes the endings of the game. Every ending except the ending where the Moon Presence is slain results in new Hunters continuing to exist thus fulfilling the Curse of Kos where the Descendants of the Hunters would be cursed forever by supplying Hunters to it.
Side note: Purgatory and Hell are not the same in a theological sense. The Hunter’s Nightmare is a Hell not a Purgatory. Not gonna get into the details of that here.
Except that’s not the moon. It’s the sun. Lmfao. You obviously didn’t play the dlc cause you didn’t look up once
@@codrs2662 why would morning come in the village when the Orphan is put to rest if the sun was already in the sky as you say?
@@codrs2662 also why does the player look like Kos in the ending where the player ascends and becomes a Great One?
@@codrs2662 there is no reason to be insulting bucko.
Love your voice.
Also nice video and great job at keeping my attention. I've subscribed.
Thanks buddy. Glad you liked it 😀
dude...this echoes differently in the mind of every indigenous person who hears it, I swear.
Great stuff, it all makes much more sense to me now
Amazing video!
Mey CY thank you so much!
@@SmoughTown very welcome! 😊 I really enjoyed it!
There will never be enough Bloodborne content
Awesome!
Thanks Sin and thanks for talking it through with me :)
I actually kind of like the idea that Maria is talking about leaving a corpse well alone because she regrets what they did to the villagers after slaughtering them, and that she's trying to protect the village and the orphan from us.
Love your lore vids man.
Scorched knight thanks my friend :)
This was awesome I really enjoyed its content and delivery I only wish the parallels to queen yharnum and kos were discussed along with the relationship with kos and the other great ones involved in the overall world as they all stem from kos. And how lawrence has ended up underneath Ludwig in the center of the hunters nightmare as the manifestation of the besst curse set alight and resting upon an alter
It still hurts to come back to this story. Not many stories get to me but this one, this one cuts deep
This was really cool. I've always interpreted as the hunters killed Kos and took her baby. Never considered the possibility that she was already dead upon her arrival to the hamlet as per the parasite description
That's what I always thought as well. I interpreted the hamlet story as the great one showing up in the bay and making a deal with the village to give them the parasites and other things, in return she could stay there. When the church heard of a village that came in contact and made a deal with a great one, they sent out hunters to take kos by force, but while trying to take her they accidentally killed her, they were then ordered to cut her apart to look for eyes and augers. While they were butchering her, gerhman and Maria eventually discovered she was pregnant and were then ordered to take her baby. When the villagers learned that not only was their god killed and butchered, but her baby stolen. They cursed the hunters, making them thirst for blood like they did when they murdered their god. Thus, in combination of the curse from queen yharnam turning people into beasts, and the curse from kos making people crave blood, the church, and the city eventually fell to ruin.
Finally, an explanation that makes sense to me. Lol
So orphan is an embodiment of the rage it felt towards the hunters
If I understood correctly original child of Kos looked nothing like Orphan of Kos it was more like the mother (sluggish thing). While Orphan of Kos got his human-like representation in the dream because of hunters who in fact desecrated the corpse of Kos and given the child to Healing Church which brutally killed and dissected it. So basically Orphan of Kos is a product of "rape" which was committed by hunters a while ago and when we kill it in nightmare we basically relief its soul (black figure in the end of video) which returns back to the ocean, where it belongs (btw looks like Herman had connection with Orphan from the Hunter's Dream, because after Orphan's death he sleeps well once for a very long time).
Also not connected but interesting thing: Micolash says that Kos granted godhood to Rom who was a student of Master Willem, but not to the last one. My interpretation, but it was sort of the punishment for Byrgenwerth's role in this sin: random student gets this power, but not the one who made so much to get in contact with the Great Ones.
Great explanation. Bloodborne is cemented well within my top three games of all time. How many games this old still have an audience and a burning desire for a sequel amongst them?
Well researched and read, you've gained another subscriber here!
i just noticed the phantom you see after you kill the orphan is just the model of an unused mimic enemy from demons souls
Isnt the orphan attached to a giant fish hook? As if Kos was killed like when a fish swallows the hook
I think Fishing Hamlet in Nightmare is in a sense stuck in a limbo. It's inhabitants are unaware of things happening around them and time is still. Inhabitants of Hamlet fished Kos and worshipped it as divine and Byrgenwerthians thought that only they should have knowledge of Great Ones and thus wanted to take it to themselves. For some reason they did not do it, but their greed did influence Kos to bear a child. Maybe it was already doing it as benevolent god, but changed its mind towards vengeance. When Hunter arrives to Kos' corpse it brings time and thus Orphan of Kos is born with great pain to a world of suffering which wants it dead.
It says a great one can’t bear a child but the orphan of cos is shown to be german, so german took the place of the child and is being cured that is why you take its place as the child when the moon presence comes.
A NEW BLOODBORNE LORE VIDEO??? IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD KOS (OR KOSM) 2019????? OUR EYES ARE OPEN
Or Kosm, lmao
You got eyes?
*Byrgenwerth wants to know your location*
I’m personally not sure if Ludwig was ever truly overcome by the curse of beasts or blood, it feels like unbeknownst to him he exists in that layer of the nightmare to punish the hunters who sinned endlessly while he himself teeters on the edge of his own sanity
really great vid
Im trying to figure out the whole beginning quote so far ive heard this: A call to the bloodless wherever they be, mother is dead her baby taken x2, ____ her suffering the grief of kos, do you hear it? The seerless void the lair of beasts, where the bloodcrazed roam.
Anybody able to help me figure the rest out? That blank part is difficult to hear over the water noises.
Edit- spelling
Scant her suffering
I always have this belief the sins of the father are not the sins of the son and my hunter would refuse to be held responsible for the sins of his ancestors and choose instead to defy a petty curse laid by a petty god
Today, I just finished The Old Hunters DLC for the first time ever. And all I'll say is an already 10/10 game just became a 15/10.
Jesus Kos-kissing Christ.
Bloodborne! I’m so glad that I am still finding new videos to watch. Even after all these years Bloodborne is awesome!
Earned a sub. Very well made bud
Can someone explain why Workshop Hunters were present at the Fishing Hamlet and working for Byrgenwerth? It would make sense if the Healing Church were behind the raid on the Hamlet.
Remember the PC is NOT of Yarnham, They do not bare the burden of the original sin.
they do when they are transfused by yharnham blood.
I am not sure if the Old Hunters artbook is canon, but it states that the hunters killed Kos and I always wondered why we don’t find more hunters we encounter like Gascoigne again in this area
Precisely because she’s already been killed. Their job was done, basically. Also I wouldn’t try too hard to make sense out of the level layouts or enemy placements in the DLC as it is a nightmare and therefore convoluted by nature but also layered. The player is meant to find out the secrets by peeling back layer after layer, first encountering the blood-drunk trapped hunters then the person protecting the secret of those hunters‘ sin and finally said secret.
No one else think there is a second corpse that comes out with Orphan in the boss cutscene? The camera even focusses on what looks like a skeleton of another orphan
Yes! Please, more, more, more, more,....
Defo more on the cards!
@@SmoughTown right on, I'm here to enjoy them when they're ready!
We neeed moreeee!