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Thank you, as an accord owner it's always great to get an insight into its internals. Your explanations are always clear and easy to digest, without any showing off and posing as is common these days.
Thank you so much for this thorough explanation! My brain can’t wrap around something without understanding the big picture, and you’ve taught me this whole system, along with all the simple real world troubleshooting steps. Such a valuable contribution for us home mechanics working on older cars 😅 I’m replacing the starter cut relay on my 94 civic, and unfortunately it’s buried up above the drivers side fuse box. Had to pull the whole dash to get to the bolt. Thankfully it looks like they corrected the location on newer models.
Thanks for this video.I have a no crank 2017 Honda accord new battery,starter,2 new relays and still nothing not even a sound.I didn't know about the circuit board wasnt repairable till your video.Thanks again no one has anything on a 17 accord beside a battery change. Lol
Love the deep dive approach. I'm surprised the starter pull-in coil is not wired through the motor ground. I guess with these small engines, it isn't so critical to separate pull-in coil from hold-in coil.
Dave good info. My 07 odyssey has buzzed on and off since it was new. I watched a video a while back and you mentioned that starter switch buzz and yes I bought an OEM one and have it just in case. I keep in you never know glove box. Lol I try to be prepared for known Honda failures. Being from the aviation world I always try to stay ahead of known failures. Especially now with all the part shortages. Dave you and family stay safe and well Artie 🇺🇸
I love the way you explain everything. You remind me of my cousin, who was a mechanic, that I worked with in the 80’s. Not many Honda’s around then. I worked on GM Pontiac and Fords. Thanks
Thanks for your video. I have a 2000 EX6 and suddenly it won't start in park or neutral 🤔. Battery is new and good. Of course it happens on vacation 🙄. I think it may be the starter cut relay. The starter always works fine. Again your video will help in troubleshooting.
Great job on this! Very helpful. I'm about to purchase a 2005 CR-V that supposedly has a failed starter. It's nice to see the current flow diagram. You didn't mention the 3 fuses in the fuse box up on the battery, so I'll check that current is flowing through those also.
Thank you so much for your information. I appreciate this. Your're going to save me so much money. The shop wanted to charge me 1,000$ to change this relay. I just got this problem. My car sometimes start and sounds like a blender. Its starts perfectly fine sometimes than other times it doesnt. I will be watching all your videos.
Hey Dave, thank you for the tips with manual transmissions, as my thought to be 275$ job worked out to 10 minutes and 8$!!! Thanks againive subbed and i will donate soon buddy, you saved me a good bit of money I don’t have right now!!
Thank you Big Dog..👍. My starter cut relay was making that buzzing sound you talked about. I tried your suggestions, and it helped me to figure it out. Much appreciated video. 😉👍
Great video. I recently experienced one additional possibility with my son's 2007 Accord. The plastic pad that the clutch switch presses against broke into pieces so the switch had nothing to contact. Took a bit to figure out that was what happened. I have a wood turning lathe so I turned a replacement to fit the mounting hole. Hard to get my hands in there for installation, but that solved the issue. Honda must have a problem with those pad because the one for the cruise control circuit was also missing.
Guys. I can’t stress this enough: CHECK YOUR WIRES! I’ve been waiting on a starter for like 3 days, finally got it and changed it out, only to find out the ground connection to the chassis was all corroded. Anyways my starter was sounding kind of slow so I’m leaving it on but just to save yourselves some headaches, check your wires every now and then 😅
As for me I’m experiencing intermittent starting with the no noise at all when I turn the key. The ignition switch, relay and battery all check out. With intermittent starts I’m suspecting the starter solenoid going bad and eventually fail all together
Very great Info I learned a lot! I just replaced my 2015 Honda Fit Push Start Button because I had a Key start Warning light on the dash and I did a lot of research online that the Button was the culprit. Great video Just sub to your channel too thank you!
Excellent video... the simple legacy tricks to get out of jam, if you are that lucky, are priceless. Knocking on a starter solenoid or knocking on a fuel tank to wake up a dying fuel pump can save a gouging wrecker trip Wiggling an ignition switch or knocking on a relay or temporarily swapping relays...(when possible) also good! Without the detailed expressed logic and the schematics on the car you are working on, today good luck tracking issues! If you don't know your ignition switch makes a request to your BCM which in turn talks to the ECM, and then the ECM commands the relay that actually engages the 12V to the starter and the problem is somewhere in the middle !? no legacy thinking will help! ...and how much of it is buried in PCBs that are invisible(like sandwiched in a distribution(fuse) block... again good luck! ALSO: ...a good thing to carry on-board, an emergency fuses/relays kit... that has at least one duplicate for every type fuse/relay in your vehicle, including a fuse and relay tester. ...Mechanics rob the ones that are in the unused free slots reserved just for that! On my vehicle, 4 distribution blocks, NOT ONE spare fuse or relay... all covers with legends missing! ALL robbed by dishonest mechanics or car dealers. Now my distribution blocks only have the needed items and the kit is not in the vehicle while at the shop.
Thanks for the vid and part#. Great work! I'm having a very intermittent starting issue with my '04 Honda Accord LX. After coming out of the store yesterday, it took 4-5 attempts to get it to start. The first three times it struggled like it was a weak battery (but the battery is less than a year old). When I got home I could duplicate it a few times, but then today, I started it about 20x (not in successions. About 6-7 times, then took a few minutes break in between). Never got it to fail. I'm starting with the least expensive part first, hoping it's not a starter issue.
@@naveenlather6902 Yes. I ended up replacing the starter on 7/11/23 and haven't had an issue since. Here's a summary of what I did (posted on another website): SUMMARY OF PROBLEM/SYMPTOMS AND TROUBLESHOOTING STEPS Just to summarize everything after the repair was completed: This all started when the car failed to start 3x, then started (symptoms were similar to what you hear if the battery is nearly drained). Got home and got it to fail once out of about 5 tries. Cleaned battery terminals and also removed negative cable from where it attached to the car body, sanded down the body and re-terminated the negative cable to the body. No problems for a month. After about a month, the problem happened again, so I chose to replace the cheapest (and easiest to replace) part... the starter relay. Problem seemed to worsen, as immediately after replacing it, it wouldn't start about 3x in a row. Put the old relay back in with same symptoms. Finally got it to start with a jump from our other car. Drove car around a little after replacing the relay, ran it up to O'Reilly and they took their tester and said the starter, battery and alternator were good (this is with the starter still in the car). Got it home and it never started again. It would barely even try to turn over. Even a jump didn't help at this point. At someone's suggestion, (AFTER disconnecting the negative battery cable - just to play it safe), I put a ratchet and socket on one of the pulley nuts (the pulley for the serpentine belt that I believe runs all accessories) and verified I could turn the engine manually (i.e. verified the engine wasn't seized). Swapped identical batteries between our Honda's (both less than a year old). Both batteries started our 2014 Honda but neither would start our 2004. At this point, it was very likely the starter was bad. I pulled the starter and had O'Reilly test again. This time they said it failed to push the gear out completely and didn't seem to be spinning properly. AutoZone tested with the same results. So FYI.... a bench test and an in-car test apparently are different. I didn't really trust the in-car test. I replaced the starter and the car started right up. So, in my case, it was very sporadic until the end. But at the end, when it failed, it failed hard. I bought a NEW (not re-manufactured) starter from NAPA. They offer a discount if you have a AAA membership, so I got mine for $174 (after a $20 discount for being a AAA member). I also bought the manifold gasket as well. They initially handed me the wrong gasket (luckily I had the old one with me). So I'd pull the old starter first and take the old manifold gasket with me (or at least a picture). Hope that helps.
Great video. I have an 04 Accord that buzzes in 3. Was able to get it to start by cycling back from 2 to 3 several times. I was thinking it was the starter solenoid failing to engage. Any way to tell if it's the ignition switch without replacing parts and hoping for the best?
I have. 2001 Odyssey and the Factory Service manual states starter cut relay is on the back side of the under dash driver side fuse panel. It is unobtainium. The wiring harness is prevent you from easily accessing the relay. I can feel it clicking when I turn the key but it isn't always the same click as the very first one so I suspect that the relay might be bad but it is virtually almost impossible to remove easily.
Looks like in a pinch for troubleshooting if the relay is bad you could swap the power window relay with the starter cut relay. If starting works and power windows stop working, the. You know you have a bad relay.
We had the relay replaced on our 2007 accord . It was fine for a month now it's clicking/buzzing when turning the key again. I'll check the transmission switch as you suggested. I wonder if the ignition switch is on it's way out? Oh yes there is a faint clicking sound coming from the relay area when driving. Sounds like a mouse is in there .
I have a 9th gen Accord without a push start and I have an Intermittent no start problem. Not sure if you know of any common issues that could be causing the problem? You would make a great proffesor!
thinking anti-theft of my 2009 Honda Element when I leave it for a few days. wondering if pulling out the starter relay would be a decent strategy? your video is super informative and I thought you would have a good idea. I read of pulled fuses being replaced with pieces of copper, steel, aluminum, thought maybe this would be a better option.
Indeed very informative. Can you please make a detailed video on the last part where there are two starter cut relays. I was wondering why there are two relays. Cheers - pranab
Thank you for your explanation,but do you have a video for 2010 honda crosstour,I have problems with the starter there is no power to the starter solenoid cable,also I don't know where the starter relay and fuse are located,please help me if you can👍
Thanks man I really love your videos! I'm having a problem with my car if you can help me out, it's a 2007 Honda Accord and it's not starting and the symptoms are, that it has a blinking green key light which should mean that it doesn't recognize the key. It started when I bypass the child safety switch on the master switch while trouble shooting passenger Windows not work and there happened to be a wire I tested connected to ACG fuse. If you can maybe help me out and shed some light on my situation I'd appreciate it.
Blinking green key during cranking usually means an Immobilizer (anti-theft) programming issue. Some Immobilizer systems will only shut down fuel (so it causes a crank no start) and some will shut down starter circuit as well (no crank no start). I would first try a second key and see if if there is a crank no start with that one too. I would probably also verify there are no blown fuses in all fuse boxes. The key(s) may need to be programmed again but there is a chance that control units/circuits/fuses could have been damaged during testing and may need repairs/replacement.
Great video ! Help me please on this one : if a car doesn't start at all, but if im inside already , lock the car and Wiggle a little the key in the ignition ,Then I tey again, It will start .. 🤦🏻 What could be this issue ??
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Hi. Thanks for the informative video! I have a honda crv 2009 diesel with a hard start issue that has been going on for sometime, even my mechanic has given up on it. Anyway, I went to look at my ST CUT relay on the internal fuseboard to check it and its not even there! Even the FUEL PUMP relay is missing right next to it as well!? Its quite bizarre. I figured those two relays should be there so it operates correctly? The only relay present on my internal board has PW next to it?
I have a 2006 Honda Accord that i have just replaced the starter motor on. Worked for about a month but now it wont start, I get the clicking solenoid sound but no crank at all, do you have any suggestions? The battery tested ok and also tried to jump start it with no success
HELP! I have a 2008 that will almost stall mid drive and all dash lights come on then go off, car continues driving but CEL stays on. Then after turning it off, doors won't unlock and all power is dead until it feels like working again.
Big Dog...thank you for the video. I"m working on a 2002 Honda CRV. Question, if the relay is good and the problem is the starter....would i see a noticeable voltage drop when i try to start?
I have a 05 Honda integra Type S,it crank over but wont start. Ive checked the fuel pump the relay underneath the glove box they're good,ive also checked for spark whick ok aswell. Ive seen on utube he has same problem,th3n he changed the temperature sensor and it started,but his car is a Civic. Can you please give me some advise. Thanks.
You are a very good teacher! I just had my 2011 honda pilot do a no start, no crank. And the dash lights all flash! Tried jumping it off and did the same thing. Any tips on what to check?
I tried to explain it in the beginning but typically a relay either allows a small circuit to control a larger one, or it is an easy way to add a switch. For many Hondas, the starter cut relay is an easy way to add the use of a safety switch (on this car it was a transmission range switch). Thanks for the comment!
Here's my question I have an 04 Honda Accord I just changed the battery and the alternator and the car still won't start I don't have the money for a starter so what if I just changed out the relay do you think that could be the problem instead of the starter itself?
I have an 03 honda accord lx automatic and I'm having problems starting it, the only way it can start if I jiggle the key a ton when I put them in the engine, what might be the issue or what might I have to replace?
I have a 2015 Honda Civic Si coupe that starts, I drive it about 30 minutes later, I turn it off and it doesn't start, I just wait 30 minutes or 1 hour and it starts again. Could it be the ABS pump?
Would this be the same for a 2002 accord with a2.3ltr. Automatic trans. SE or special edition car? My battery is good. No codes showing. Dash lites work. No start ,Clicks or any noises.
2012 CRV. 1st crank of the day starts but kinda slow. May or may not crank when get somewhere and come back out and try to leave. Battery brand new. Old battery tested weak but I don’t believe it was the issue. Couldn’t even jump it off. Removed cables and forgot the windows were down. Slid cables back on to roll up windows and they went right up so tried to crank the car and it cranked. What would you check initially? Thanks.
I would start by verifying charging system/alternator is working properly and all connections at battery and alternator are clean and tight, and that the new battery is fully charged. Also, although not very common, a bad starter can mimic a dead battery (cranks very very slow).
Have a 2005 Honda accord cranks but won’t start I have no spark I changed cam shaft sensor and crank shaft position sensor and exhaust cam shaft sensor any suggestions
Is this a different style of relay than it would be for a 00 integra? I’ve been looking online for this for a couple days now and I keep finding 2 different answers
What resources do you use for your reference material and service manuals? Are they all from Honda? Do you have anything in paper or are they all pay to play type manuals?
I pay annually for a couple of different service subscriptions including one from Honda. I don't use paper manuals anymore. Everything has gone to a subscription based model.
Thank you for the information. I still have my six or seven inch thick 97 to 2000 Honda Civic manual. But I also have it in an electronic form. Fortunately you've been putting out videos on the same generation car that I have. Thank you for that too. With our 2021 Honda Pilot I figured that we couldn't get a manual for it anymore and like you said is probably subscription-based. I will check Honda out.
I have a 2014 honda odyssey. I believe there are 2 relays, one is a starter relay and the other a starter cuttoff relay? Anyway, my intermittent problem is that when it's cold, it appears "sometimes " the starter doesn't disengage for a second or 2 creating a grinding noise most likely the gears on the starter and flywheel. Once the car has been running for a while, this won't happen again until the van has been turned off for a while. I want to try everything possible before replacing the starter. Can this starter relay or cuttoff contacts be sticking(not opening on time) causing the starter to NOT disengage? Please advise. Btw, awesome video! Thank You
There are two Starter Cut Relays in the driver side under DASH fuse box on a 2014 Odyssey. Relay 1 goes to the the ECM (Engine Control Module), Relay 2 goes to the starter solenoid (both should be same part number). Starter Cut Relay 2 would be the one I would be looking at, if it doesn't make a good contact then it could cause issues with the pull in and hold in coils (but either relay could cause starting issues). Replacing relays are pretty cheap and easy compared to a new starter and it may solve the problem, but there is a good chance it is a starter issue. I would double check connections at battery first to make sure they are all clean and tight before replacing any parts.
Ended up replacing both starter cut relays. Problem still exists. Replaced the starter and problem still exists on cold day startups. Is there an ignition relay somewhere in the circuit? ReSon I'm asking is that I found a way to not repeat that grinding noise as if the starter is not disengaging quick enough(on cold days) so, what I've been doing is pressing the ignition button a few times and holding it in without applying the brake. I then start it normally and the noise is minimal. I'm thinking another type of relay in the crkt is sticking until voltage is applied, or the ignition button cld be bad. New ignition buttonnis 250 dollars and I'd hate to replace this as well if the problem is another relay which is much cheaper. Please advise. Thank You
@@BigDog50001Ended up replacing both starter cut relays. Problem still exists. Replaced the starter and problem still exists on cold day startups. Is there an ignition relay somewhere in the circuit? ReSon I'm asking is that I found a way to not repeat that grinding noise as if the starter is not disengaging quick enough(on cold days) so, what I've been doing is pressing the ignition button a few times and holding it in without applying the brake. I then start it normally and the noise is minimal. I'm thinking another type of relay in the crkt is sticking until voltage is applied, or the ignition button cld be bad. New ignition buttonnis 250 dollars and I'd hate to replace this as well if the problem is another relay which is much cheaper. Please advise. Thank You
Omg, i have a 2013 honda accord. Wtf kinda map is that. Okay i need more information on this dam box and relays. Not tryna pay 1,000$ for a relay to be replaced.
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Where do I get this diagram for my 2003 Honda Accord
Just wanted to let you know.. you are the only guy I found on TH-cam that knew and showed where this relay was located. Thank you sir!!👍🏻👊🏻
Thank you, as an accord owner it's always great to get an insight into its internals. Your explanations are always clear and easy to digest, without any showing off and posing as is common these days.
I try my best, thanks for watching!
Excellent video and the only one of it's kind that gives the blueprints for the relay circuits wiring that I have found. Absolutely genius.
Thanks 👍!
Thank you so much for this thorough explanation! My brain can’t wrap around something without understanding the big picture, and you’ve taught me this whole system, along with all the simple real world troubleshooting steps. Such a valuable contribution for us home mechanics working on older cars 😅
I’m replacing the starter cut relay on my 94 civic, and unfortunately it’s buried up above the drivers side fuse box. Had to pull the whole dash to get to the bolt. Thankfully it looks like they corrected the location on newer models.
This is one of the best videos on yt. Clear explanations.
you need to be an electrical teacher. most thorough video I've ever seen.
Thanks 👍!
Thanks for this video.I have a no crank 2017 Honda accord new battery,starter,2 new relays and still nothing not even a sound.I didn't know about the circuit board wasnt repairable till your video.Thanks again no one has anything on a 17 accord beside a battery change. Lol
Thank you sir,,from the Philippines,,God bless you as always,
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Good tip on the relay so when it’s time to replace my starter on my 04 Honda Element 👍
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Love the deep dive approach. I'm surprised the starter pull-in coil is not wired through the motor ground. I guess with these small engines, it isn't so critical to separate pull-in coil from hold-in coil.
Thank you for "relaying" this information! Great video as always Dave!
lol, my pleasure Mike!
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Dave good info. My 07 odyssey has buzzed on and off since it was new. I watched a video a while back and you mentioned that starter switch buzz and yes I bought an OEM one and have it just in case. I keep in you never know glove box. Lol I try to be prepared for known Honda failures. Being from the aviation world I always try to stay ahead of known failures. Especially now with all the part shortages. Dave you and family stay safe and well Artie 🇺🇸
Thanks for sharing Artie!
I love the way you explain everything. You remind me of my cousin, who was a mechanic, that I worked with in the 80’s. Not many Honda’s around then. I worked on GM Pontiac and Fords. Thanks
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Thanks for your video. I have a 2000 EX6 and suddenly it won't start in park or neutral 🤔. Battery is new and good. Of course it happens on vacation 🙄. I think it may be the starter cut relay. The starter always works fine. Again your video will help in troubleshooting.
Great job on this! Very helpful. I'm about to purchase a 2005 CR-V that supposedly has a failed starter. It's nice to see the current flow diagram. You didn't mention the 3 fuses in the fuse box up on the battery, so I'll check that current is flowing through those also.
Very helpful information thank you so much and don't stop sharing knowledge your an awesome man and human. Thanks for your time .
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Thank you so much for your information. I appreciate this. Your're going to save me so much money. The shop wanted to charge me 1,000$ to change this relay. I just got this problem. My car sometimes start and sounds like a blender. Its starts perfectly fine sometimes than other times it doesnt. I will be watching all your videos.
Did you fix it?
Hey Dave, thank you for the tips with manual transmissions, as my thought to be 275$ job worked out to 10 minutes and 8$!!! Thanks againive subbed and i will donate soon buddy, you saved me a good bit of money I don’t have right now!!
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Thank you Big Dog..👍. My starter cut relay was making that buzzing sound you talked about. I tried your suggestions, and it helped me to figure it out. Much appreciated video. 😉👍
That was remarkably informative. Thank you for taking the time to produce this video.
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Very underrated channel
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Great info on the relay buzz. I've heard that buzz on my '03 and '07.
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Underrated channel ❤
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Great video. Thank you
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Great video. I recently experienced one additional possibility with my son's 2007 Accord. The plastic pad that the clutch switch presses against broke into pieces so the switch had nothing to contact. Took a bit to figure out that was what happened. I have a wood turning lathe so I turned a replacement to fit the mounting hole. Hard to get my hands in there for installation, but that solved the issue. Honda must have a problem with those pad because the one for the cruise control circuit was also missing.
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Thank you. Helps one feel less like total guessing.
I thought Honda's always started, they don't break. haha Great job with the video man!
Great tips, and nice segway to the newer systems. I'll stay tuned for that!
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Outstanding function explanation and tips. Thank you.
Guys. I can’t stress this enough: CHECK YOUR WIRES! I’ve been waiting on a starter for like 3 days, finally got it and changed it out, only to find out the ground connection to the chassis was all corroded. Anyways my starter was sounding kind of slow so I’m leaving it on but just to save yourselves some headaches, check your wires every now and then 😅
As for me I’m experiencing intermittent starting with the no noise at all when I turn the key. The ignition switch, relay and battery all check out. With intermittent starts I’m suspecting the starter solenoid going bad and eventually fail all together
Thanks for another great video!
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Good explanation on all possibilities 👌 good Work Brother 💪
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Excellent presentation. Very helpful indeed. Thx
Very great Info I learned a lot! I just replaced my 2015 Honda Fit Push Start Button because I had a Key start Warning light on the dash and I did a lot of research online that the Button was the culprit. Great video Just sub to your channel too thank you!
Great Explanation of the circuit!!
Gracias amigo. Buena explicación y me ayudó mucho
Great Explanation 👍👌
Nice Quick Tips At the end Aldo 👌👍
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Excellent video... the simple legacy tricks to get out of jam, if you are that lucky, are priceless.
Knocking on a starter solenoid or knocking on a fuel tank to wake up a dying fuel pump can save a gouging wrecker trip
Wiggling an ignition switch or knocking on a relay or temporarily swapping relays...(when possible) also good!
Without the detailed expressed logic and the schematics on the car you are working on, today good luck tracking issues!
If you don't know your ignition switch makes a request to your BCM which in turn talks to the ECM, and then the ECM
commands the relay that actually engages the 12V to the starter and the problem is somewhere in the middle !? no legacy thinking will help!
...and how much of it is buried in PCBs that are invisible(like sandwiched in a distribution(fuse) block... again good luck!
ALSO:
...a good thing to carry on-board, an emergency fuses/relays kit... that has at least one duplicate for every type fuse/relay in your vehicle,
including a fuse and relay tester. ...Mechanics rob the ones that are in the unused free slots reserved just for that!
On my vehicle, 4 distribution blocks, NOT ONE spare fuse or relay... all covers with legends missing!
ALL robbed by dishonest mechanics or car dealers.
Now my distribution blocks only have the needed items and the kit is not in the vehicle while at the shop.
Thanks for the vid and part#. Great work! I'm having a very intermittent starting issue with my '04 Honda Accord LX. After coming out of the store yesterday, it took 4-5 attempts to get it to start. The first three times it struggled like it was a weak battery (but the battery is less than a year old). When I got home I could duplicate it a few times, but then today, I started it about 20x (not in successions. About 6-7 times, then took a few minutes break in between). Never got it to fail. I'm starting with the least expensive part first, hoping it's not a starter issue.
Were you able to figure this out? I am having exact same symptoms with my 07 CRV. Thanks
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Yes. I ended up replacing the starter on 7/11/23 and haven't had an issue since. Here's a summary of what I did (posted on another website):
SUMMARY OF PROBLEM/SYMPTOMS AND TROUBLESHOOTING STEPS
Just to summarize everything after the repair was completed:
This all started when the car failed to start 3x, then started (symptoms were similar to what you hear if the battery is nearly drained). Got home and got it to fail once out of about 5 tries. Cleaned battery terminals and also removed negative cable from where it attached to the car body, sanded down the body and re-terminated the negative cable to the body. No problems for a month.
After about a month, the problem happened again, so I chose to replace the cheapest (and easiest to replace) part... the starter relay. Problem seemed to worsen, as immediately after replacing it, it wouldn't start about 3x in a row. Put the old relay back in with same symptoms. Finally got it to start with a jump from our other car.
Drove car around a little after replacing the relay, ran it up to O'Reilly and they took their tester and said the starter, battery and alternator were good (this is with the starter still in the car). Got it home and it never started again. It would barely even try to turn over. Even a jump didn't help at this point. At someone's suggestion, (AFTER disconnecting the negative battery cable - just to play it safe), I put a ratchet and socket on one of the pulley nuts (the pulley for the serpentine belt that I believe runs all accessories) and verified I could turn the engine manually (i.e. verified the engine wasn't seized).
Swapped identical batteries between our Honda's (both less than a year old). Both batteries started our 2014 Honda but neither would start our 2004. At this point, it was very likely the starter was bad. I pulled the starter and had O'Reilly test again. This time they said it failed to push the gear out completely and didn't seem to be spinning properly. AutoZone tested with the same results. So FYI.... a bench test and an in-car test apparently are different. I didn't really trust the in-car test.
I replaced the starter and the car started right up.
So, in my case, it was very sporadic until the end. But at the end, when it failed, it failed hard.
I bought a NEW (not re-manufactured) starter from NAPA. They offer a discount if you have a AAA membership, so I got mine for $174 (after a $20 discount for being a AAA member). I also bought the manifold gasket as well. They initially handed me the wrong gasket (luckily I had the old one with me). So I'd pull the old starter first and take the old manifold gasket with me (or at least a picture).
Hope that helps.
Fantastic description, I learned a ton. Hopefully I can apply this to my 2012 Odyssey that refuses to start.
Great video. I have an 04 Accord that buzzes in 3. Was able to get it to start by cycling back from 2 to 3 several times. I was thinking it was the starter solenoid failing to engage. Any way to tell if it's the ignition switch without replacing parts and hoping for the best?
Thanks for the information, very interesting
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Great video on starting systems, thanks…
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I have. 2001 Odyssey and the Factory Service manual states starter cut relay is on the back side of the under dash driver side fuse panel. It is unobtainium. The wiring harness is prevent you from easily accessing the relay. I can feel it clicking when I turn the key but it isn't always the same click as the very first one so I suspect that the relay might be bad but it is virtually almost impossible to remove easily.
Looks like in a pinch for troubleshooting if the relay is bad you could swap the power window relay with the starter cut relay. If starting works and power windows stop working, the. You know you have a bad relay.
Yes if it is the same relay for that model.
My wife 2007 ridgeline has the no start issue. May try the relap 1st...
We had the relay replaced on our 2007 accord . It was fine for a month now it's clicking/buzzing when turning the key again. I'll check the transmission switch as you suggested. I wonder if the ignition switch is on it's way out? Oh yes there is a faint clicking sound coming from the relay area when driving. Sounds like a mouse is in there .
I have a 9th gen Accord without a push start and I have an Intermittent no start problem. Not sure if you know of any common issues that could be causing the problem?
You would make a great proffesor!
thinking anti-theft of my 2009 Honda Element when I leave it for a few days. wondering if pulling out the starter relay would be a decent strategy? your video is super informative and I thought you would have a good idea. I read of pulled fuses being replaced with pieces of copper, steel, aluminum, thought maybe this would be a better option.
Indeed very informative. Can you please make a detailed video on the last part where there are two starter cut relays. I was wondering why there are two relays. Cheers - pranab
Got my coffee ready...
Perfect lol!
That 2017 wiring sematic was at least 5 times bigger than the other one, you have to replace a circuit board if the relay goes out-Dang.....
Yep!
Your video just answered my question I did change my starter and I did not do that well now
Thank you for your explanation,but do you have a video for 2010 honda crosstour,I have problems with the starter there is no power to the starter solenoid cable,also I don't know where the starter relay and fuse are located,please help me if you can👍
Thanks man I really love your videos!
I'm having a problem with my car if you can help me out, it's a 2007 Honda Accord and it's not starting and the symptoms are, that it has a blinking green key light which should mean that it doesn't recognize the key.
It started when I bypass the child safety switch on the master switch while trouble shooting passenger Windows not work and there happened to be a wire I tested connected to ACG fuse.
If you can maybe help me out and shed some light on my situation I'd appreciate it.
PS. It does crank
Blinking green key during cranking usually means an Immobilizer (anti-theft) programming issue. Some Immobilizer systems will only shut down fuel (so it causes a crank no start) and some will shut down starter circuit as well (no crank no start). I would first try a second key and see if if there is a crank no start with that one too. I would probably also verify there are no blown fuses in all fuse boxes. The key(s) may need to be programmed again but there is a chance that control units/circuits/fuses could have been damaged during testing and may need repairs/replacement.
Great -- how did you pull the cover off?
Great video ! Help me please on this one : if a car doesn't start at all, but if im inside already , lock the car and Wiggle a little the key in the ignition ,Then I tey again, It will start .. 🤦🏻 What could be this issue ??
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Hi. Thanks for the informative video! I have a honda crv 2009 diesel with a hard start issue that has been going on for sometime, even my mechanic has given up on it. Anyway, I went to look at my ST CUT relay on the internal fuseboard to check it and its not even there! Even the FUEL PUMP relay is missing right next to it as well!? Its quite bizarre. I figured those two relays should be there so it operates correctly?
The only relay present on my internal board has PW next to it?
I have a 2006 Honda Accord that i have just replaced the starter motor on. Worked for about a month but now it wont start, I get the clicking solenoid sound but no crank at all, do you have any suggestions? The battery tested ok and also tried to jump start it with no success
Hi. I’m having the same exact issue. Did you find out what it was? I’d appreciate you input. Thanks.
HELP! I have a 2008 that will almost stall mid drive and all dash lights come on then go off, car continues driving but CEL stays on. Then after turning it off, doors won't unlock and all power is dead until it feels like working again.
Big Dog...thank you for the video. I"m working on a 2002 Honda CRV. Question, if the relay is good and the problem is the starter....would i see a noticeable voltage drop when i try to start?
2012 Odyssey. Two identical relays. Which one is rhe starter relay? Right or left ?
So change the ignition switch if it’s making that buzzing sound when I go to start the car ?
I have a 05 Honda integra Type S,it crank over but wont start. Ive checked the fuel pump the relay underneath the glove box they're good,ive also checked for spark whick ok aswell. Ive seen on utube he has same problem,th3n he changed the temperature sensor and it started,but his car is a Civic. Can you please give me some advise. Thanks.
You are a very good teacher! I just had my 2011 honda pilot do a no start, no crank. And the dash lights all flash! Tried jumping it off and did the same thing. Any tips on what to check?
I have the same problem did you found any solution..?
@@valerioalfalfa3868 mine ended up a combination of bad battery and slightly loose cable
First of all, thanks for your video. On the other hand,exactly, what does a starter cut relay, do ?
I tried to explain it in the beginning but typically a relay either allows a small circuit to control a larger one, or it is an easy way to add a switch. For many Hondas, the starter cut relay is an easy way to add the use of a safety switch (on this car it was a transmission range switch). Thanks for the comment!
@@BigDog50001 thanks for your explanations
Im having a No Crank No start situation Rn Changed the battery & still Nothing should i Change relays Next ?
same problem 1992 Honda civic no cranks, no check engine, do you think the problem is the starter relay?.
Where’s the starter cut relay on a 2011 Honda cr-v?
Here's my question I have an 04 Honda Accord I just changed the battery and the alternator and the car still won't start I don't have the money for a starter so what if I just changed out the relay do you think that could be the problem instead of the starter itself?
Where is location Starter cut relay circuit in Honda Pilot 2006,can you give me some of instructions please?
Where's is the location of a 2001 Honda Accord starter relay?
In the glove box on the passenger side you have to clips on the inside and it’s directly in front when you let the glovebox hang
It was under the driver's side near the main relay area .
I have an 03 honda accord lx automatic and I'm having problems starting it, the only way it can start if I jiggle the key a ton when I put them in the engine, what might be the issue or what might I have to replace?
I have a 2015 Honda Civic Si coupe that starts, I drive it about 30 minutes later, I turn it off and it doesn't start, I just wait 30 minutes or 1 hour and it starts again. Could it be the ABS pump?
Would this be the same for a 2002 accord with a2.3ltr. Automatic trans. SE or special edition car? My battery is good. No codes showing. Dash lites work. No start ,Clicks or any noises.
2012 CRV. 1st crank of the day starts but kinda slow. May or may not crank when get somewhere and come back out and try to leave. Battery brand new. Old battery tested weak but I don’t believe it was the issue. Couldn’t even jump it off. Removed cables and forgot the windows were down. Slid cables back on to roll up windows and they went right up so tried to crank the car and it cranked. What would you check initially? Thanks.
I would start by verifying charging system/alternator is working properly and all connections at battery and alternator are clean and tight, and that the new battery is fully charged. Also, although not very common, a bad starter can mimic a dead battery (cranks very very slow).
Have a 2005 Honda accord cranks but won’t start I have no spark I changed cam shaft sensor and crank shaft position sensor and exhaust cam shaft sensor any suggestions
I'm having issues with my 2017 honda accord sport. The PCM is not energizing the starter cut relay, any suggestions on what to check.
Hi I have 2004 Honda Insight and I have no crank no start condition, how You check the ESM with is providing graund for the starter cut relay
I’m having a no crank no start problem with a 94 b18 integra, what would cause that?
Mine new battery, but when I switch the key, there is click only but no crank at all when I start the car, 2003 crv, it could be the starter relay?
Honda civic ex 2000 5speed the solenoid not getting any power what could the issue be?
I have a 2000 Integra....I hear it click but it takes a lot of ignition turns to start...could it be this relay...if so, where is it located
Hi, I want to know where the PGM-FI of the 2008 honda fit is located?
Sir,when can i download the diagram, thanks
any one knows how I can get spark in the spark plugs, my 2006 Honda Pilot??
Is this a different style of relay than it would be for a 00 integra? I’ve been looking online for this for a couple days now and I keep finding 2 different answers
What resources do you use for your reference material and service manuals? Are they all from Honda? Do you have anything in paper or are they all pay to play type manuals?
I pay annually for a couple of different service subscriptions including one from Honda. I don't use paper manuals anymore. Everything has gone to a subscription based model.
Thank you for the information. I still have my six or seven inch thick 97 to 2000 Honda Civic manual. But I also have it in an electronic form. Fortunately you've been putting out videos on the same generation car that I have. Thank you for that too.
With our 2021 Honda Pilot I figured that we couldn't get a manual for it anymore and like you said is probably subscription-based. I will check Honda out.
I have a 2014 honda odyssey. I believe there are 2 relays, one is a starter relay and the other a starter cuttoff relay? Anyway, my intermittent problem is that when it's cold, it appears "sometimes " the starter doesn't disengage for a second or 2 creating a grinding noise most likely the gears on the starter and flywheel. Once the car has been running for a while, this won't happen again until the van has been turned off for a while. I want to try everything possible before replacing the starter. Can this starter relay or cuttoff contacts be sticking(not opening on time) causing the starter to NOT disengage? Please advise. Btw, awesome video! Thank You
There are two Starter Cut Relays in the driver side under DASH fuse box on a 2014 Odyssey. Relay 1 goes to the the ECM (Engine Control Module), Relay 2 goes to the starter solenoid (both should be same part number). Starter Cut Relay 2 would be the one I would be looking at, if it doesn't make a good contact then it could cause issues with the pull in and hold in coils (but either relay could cause starting issues). Replacing relays are pretty cheap and easy compared to a new starter and it may solve the problem, but there is a good chance it is a starter issue. I would double check connections at battery first to make sure they are all clean and tight before replacing any parts.
@@BigDog50001thanks so much!!! Huge help!
Ended up replacing both starter cut relays. Problem still exists. Replaced the starter and problem still exists on cold day startups. Is there an ignition relay somewhere in the circuit? ReSon I'm asking is that I found a way to not repeat that grinding noise as if the starter is not disengaging quick enough(on cold days) so, what I've been doing is pressing the ignition button a few times and holding it in without applying the brake. I then start it normally and the noise is minimal. I'm thinking another type of relay in the crkt is sticking until voltage is applied, or the ignition button cld be bad. New ignition buttonnis 250 dollars and I'd hate to replace this as well if the problem is another relay which is much cheaper. Please advise. Thank You
@@BigDog50001Ended up replacing both starter cut relays. Problem still exists. Replaced the starter and problem still exists on cold day startups. Is there an ignition relay somewhere in the circuit? ReSon I'm asking is that I found a way to not repeat that grinding noise as if the starter is not disengaging quick enough(on cold days) so, what I've been doing is pressing the ignition button a few times and holding it in without applying the brake. I then start it normally and the noise is minimal. I'm thinking another type of relay in the crkt is sticking until voltage is applied, or the ignition button cld be bad. New ignition buttonnis 250 dollars and I'd hate to replace this as well if the problem is another relay which is much cheaper. Please advise. Thank You
What about a 93 honda?
Omg, i have a 2013 honda accord. Wtf kinda map is that. Okay i need more information on this dam box and relays. Not tryna pay 1,000$ for a relay to be replaced.