ANYTHING can become a PC COOLING fan - Fan Showdown S2E10
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Just when I thought ive seen it all when it comes to inspiration behind fan designs something new pops up. Taking inspiration from nature is nothing new on the fan showdown, however this particular animal isn’t what you normally think of when you think aerodynamics, but it just might work.
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I do appreciate the little picture-in-picture reminder of what each fan looked like during the smoke test.
Yes! Now I need a remake/remaster of all episodes with this feature
Perhaps they could be filmed against a greenscreen and then keyed out
Yes, I really like how this channel keeps on improving each episode.
Yeah i always forgot what the fan looked like, i'm terrible at remembering names
I was literally thinking has this always been here and I missed it or is it new 😂 definitely enjoy it
I was mesmerized on how well the square funneled the smoke.
Me too, thanks ahah
Same! It was much better than expected
@@simong.1965 Any chance of you posting the fan free? Would love to fit it into my actual PC
@@CantPauseMum I'll share a thingiverse link when I have the time
@@CantPauseMum I posted it on my thingiverse account, just look up "square fan showdown"
I'm surprised you didn't consider the moose's quietness worthy of any kind of commentary. It must be one of the quietest fans you've had even when counting all the series together.
At 7:47 there is the spreadsheet. Unfortunately, the loudness doesn't appear there at all. Looks like he didn't track it.
@@stefanmisch5272 If he did track it, the data would be mostly meaningless because he has had major issues with the sound measurements causing radical changes to how he measures sound. Hopefully in season 3 he will be confident enough with the setup from the start to record that data.
It is a balance of thermals and noise that he rates fans on. And also another thing there are still fans that are better than what you are talking about
The square is great in the smoke test
Moose do be really quiet tho
Hi. I’m Chris, creator of the moose and I feel honored that my design made it! I am also curious how it ranks in the quietness scale, but ultimately I’m just thrilled that Moose has been given the spotlight it deserves. Join the Moosement!
Are you from canada? 👌
@@wisico640 No
@@ChrisSeeboth where are you from then? I asked since moose are pretty common all over the place here. I even hit 2 with my car 4 years ago, near a city 😅
@@wisico640 I’m from Alabama. Only seen 2 moosen in all my travels, but I do agree they are quite majestic creatures.
@@ChrisSeeboth indeed, I wouldn't mind your fans in my pc 😂
That square fan sound profile was superb. The sound itself was gentle and super low and moved a serious amount of air. Would be a contender for a quiet PC build
would work for a minecraft themed pc build
The rotating view of the still fan during the smoke test is a great addition!
I second that
Except that he took away showing how each looks while stopped in the frame. 😢
Along with the 90's/80's music too was a plus, it felt like an Ad or music video at that time
Shrouded fans usually don’t have the shroud acting as a fan component, I think that’s why the square did so well.
It did look as if it was creating a funnel effect on the incoming smake.
It probably would've done even better if it had a circular bit at the base to mitigate air leakage around the outside of the shroud.
@@GeneralNickles Actually i'm not so sure... did you not notice that the outer part of the shroud was also pulling air during the smoke test? Interesting design concept...
I think the square would do better as a pull fan using another fan casing as a shroud.
@@RogueWraith909 I saw this too, and I even tought that it has some kind of 'focussing' effect to the inner prop section, and an overall therefore another positive effect to the whole setup.
It would be amazing to see some variants of it... the 'intake' shape, the blade count, the 'shroud' shape...
I saw a lot of props doing their work, but this one seems to be magically special.
Crazy 80s music while odd shaped fans force air through an opening. Best TH-cam video I've watched this week!
This is part of season two fyi...
I'm impressed with the square.
Chris Broad from Abroad in Japan uses the same royalty-free music, so I thought we were visiting a unique Japanese hot-spring when the smoke test started. 🤣
Fan shaped like Joey the Anime Man in a 1000 year old log.
The song isn't royalty free. But yes, he does use the same 😂
Edit: My bad, it IS royalty free. Its on Epidemic Sounds and is called "Look Where that got you" by Mattie Maguire.
I was looking for this comment :D I thought I was on the wrong channel for a moment
5:07 can I just say that I appreciate the little view at the bottom right? I could never tell which fan it was and there was no way i could remember teh names. I know this added editing time ,but it is GREATLY appreciate! Thanks!!
You couldn't even back when he used my suggestion of showing them spinning up?
@@HelloKittyFanMan. I do remember seeing someone suggest having that little view. i dont remember who or when it was though. I'm very happy that he listens to his viewers!
@@pvic6959: He tool my suggestion for a time but now ripped it away. I was asking you: You couldn't tell which fan blade was which even when he did show them spinning up from a full stop?
I would mod every fan in my case to be the moose. Such a smooth sound.
In case anyone is curious, the song used is called; Look Where That Got You ( other people may know this song from the Abroad in Japan Channel )
I was confused at why Major Hardware was journeying across Japan.
Thanks. Not sure why the song used isn't in the description.
The square is super creative. Seems like I know what I'm going to be looking at for inspiration for my next design...
Thank uu
@@simong.1965 Can you make a pentagon and hexagon variant?
I'm interested to see how they'd do.
Do you have a prediction?
@@sirjmo I think the less sides, the more it catches air. If we think about it, the more you add sides, the closer it get to being a circle, and a circle is not able to push air in that configuration. Following this logic, I submited a triangle variation
@@simong.1965 awesome, cant wait to see it in action
@@sirjmo if he decides to showcase my fan, there's probably alot of submissions
Yes, the next episode of the best show on YT is finally out
I am so glad someone made the moose fan. I thought about that one a few weeks ago but didn't want to try and learn 3D stuff. This was cool.
i was surprised that the square didn't do better based on how well it gathered the smoke
The music in the smoke tests just makes me remember Abroad in Japan’s journey across Japan series
One of these days I'll get a fan on this! I'm not giving up sending you fans!
@J M I never sent him a penny and my fan went on the show first try. you just need luck and a quirky design. Of course he can't print and test every fan
The music makes it like I am watching a science video from the 90's. Really nice
the square is my favorite of this group. I would buy that.
Prediction before the results: 1: the moose inspires, 2: the square, 3: the Aaarms, and at last the waffle. Let see how wrong I am.
Edit: Not too bad, a bit surprised by the square, which performed well overall. Considering the silence of the fans, the Moose did better than average i'd say.
Agreed, made me wish there was a column in the final test for dB in the final chart. The moose design has one of the least offensive sound profiles of any of the homebrew fans I've heard so far. Hopefully the creator continues to iterate.
Maybe a fan showdown focused on performance relative to sound?
@@semosesam Adding a "sound profile" row would help a lot, since performance comes in many ways. Maybe you want the quetest-sounding loud fan, or the loudest fans with a high pitch to annoy teens.
The arms is disqualified because it would Shake itself apart at some point. It is not balanced
@@shadowopsairman1583 If it's slightly changed to counteract that, it could very well work. I was already wondering why it didn't bend the arms inwards already, when I first saw it printed.
I like the PiP of the fanblades! It helps to keep track!
guys, seriously guys, I just realized something big here. First place designer is a Jimmy, second place is Hendrik. Jimi Hendrix is the coolest guy who ever lived... I think we are calling his ghost for first and second place fans!
Oh no, not Crazy Jimmy from 3D bot maker!
I've been watching your show from the first fan showdown and I just wanted to let you know how awesome the quality of your first show was, and that every episode from then has only gotten better.
i *always* love *all* of your fan introductions
I could understand how someone that's not interested in tech would look at this video and be like "so what, it's a fan"
but dude, your content is gold 🥇
I love that you now put the thumbnail of each fan whilst showing the tests, make it much easier to keep track of which fan is running at the time.
That sponsor seems really cool. The square fan looks super cool spinning.
Hi, haven't watch one of these vids in a while, still getting crazy designs I see!
The moose fan is impressively quiet. They might be onto something there.
First thing: Great to have that little picture next to the fans running!
Second thing: I was impressed with the square one suckung that much air in without letting too much of the smoke pass on top of the fan. The moose was impressive for the low sound level.
*@Major Hardware*
4:55 The "icon" at the right lower corner is a really nice touch, and the name too. VERY GOOD! :D
Noctua needs to make some kind of outer hub fan engine so we can get crazy designs
Nothing crazy about your idea! I designed and built something like it 30years ago, currently working version 2.0
Hmm sounds reasonable xd
A few years back there was some fans made that used something called TMD or Tip Magnetic Drive. The idea was to relocate the motor from the hub to the circumference of the fan. There was a small rare earth magnet embedded in the tip of each fan blade and along the rim of the fan there were small electro magnets that were controlled by the drive electronics. This way there were no need for a large hub in the center of the fan. Theoretically that would mean that there would be more open space for air to move through. In practice it doesn't make quite as much of a difference as you may at first think. First of all the closer to the hub of the fan you get the lower the blade speed will be, and the less air the fan blade in that area can move. But all is not lost. The high air flow streams around the outer parts of the fan blades will pull adjacent masses of air and you end up with a lot of airflow through the middle of the fan even though the fan blades are really ineffective here.
Now this isn't exactly what you were asking for as these TMD fans still have a hub, though it is very much smaller than in a traditional fan. But if you are to even start looking at a design using a outer rim bearing of some kind the TMD is what will be needed to drive this.
A hub less design isn't really an easy thing to make efficient as there are way to much drag with a bearing race that large. But if you can live with a tiny hub a TMD fan is pretty close to a hub less design.
Now it's been quite some time since I saw a TMD fan and have no idea if there are any that are currently in production, but if they are I bet someone will be happy to tell us about them.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Ever heard of maglev or maglock. Bearings, thats very funny. I have an air mover here, 350cfm, no blades, no fins, zero moving parts.
@@snakezdewiggle6084 Mag lev bearings are nothing new. They've been used in server class fans for a long time. In theory they have next to no friction and are going to last a very long time, or at least until the magnets loose enough of their magnetic field that they can no longer suspend the shaft.
In practice they are not contact free when in rest, so there will be some wear as the shaft spins up before the magnetic fields "levitates" the shaft.
Also dust buildup on the fan blades can easily unbalance the fan enough that the magnetic field collapses causing the shaft to grind on the sleeve.
Now that fan less air mover is kind of interesting. I've only seen two kinds of fan less "fans" and only one of them are truly fan less. Dyson made a lot of noise about having one, and if you just see it quickly and not to close up it really appears to have no moving parts. Looking a bit closer you discover that there is a fan inside the foot of the fan. This blows air up and into the vertical ring mounted on top. In the ring there is a slit running all the way around that allows air to escape at a 90 degree angle to the rings orientation. This air flow will pull surrounding air with it using the Venturi effect, increasing the volume of air far above what the tiny fan in the foot can move.
The other kind of fan less "fan" uses electrostatic charge and two parallel grills. By applying a charge between the grills air will be drawn through them.
I've never worked with these so I don't know a lot about them, but from what I remember it's hard to get really high airspeed or static pressure.
If there is any other fan less "fan" designs then that's more than I know.
The editing and the information is so much clearer compared to 3 months ago!!!! Thank you for the effort to improve on the presentation. Great breakdown!
That 80's montage music lol. Moose is about as quiet as a real moose, you're just hiking along and boom! there's a moose.
Another great episode! Really like your content man, been subscribed since the days of the water cooled air cooler. Amazed at how much your channel has grown, and how much your content continually improves. I look forward to more in the future!
Omg at last a fan showdown!
I love having the little image of the fan in the bottom corner! I often forgot which fan is which during the smoke test!
Loved the Moose!
If you're designing these follow a few simple rules to give your fan a physical advantage barring your fin design.
1) dont put a ring around the outside. That increase its rotational mass which makes the motor have to work harder. Lower RPMs means lower CFMs.
2) make it as thin as possible. Again. Reduce the rotational mass to get it spinning.
3) Look at the twist/angle of a real fan blade. A lot of these fail (like the moose antlers) by having too radical or too shallow of an angle.
4) the airfoil design isn't worth much, all it does is thicken your blades and reduce your RPMs, reducing your performance. If it gave radical improvements, all fan designs made by corporations would use them.
Loving the continual improvement in production quality we see with these! The tiny rotating fan in the corner of the smoke test is an excellent addition!
Big Kudos Major for listening to the fan's suggestions, the quality of your videos just keeps increasing. Also the 90's/80's music really fits the smoke test segment.
I'm amazed how much better your content's quality got over time, keep it up!
The editing and presentation of this episode was incredible!
Wow, the little video in the corner took this show from good to great. I love your content even more now! Great stuff
Yes. So glad these are back!
We're gonna need to see that A12x25 on the spreadsheet. We need to know how these jank fans stand against it. Also a decibel reading would be nice on the spreadsheet too. I know there's already tons on there without the numbers and he just got a new reader but, would be nice to see in the future. Love the series.
I'm so glad you make these probably my favourite series on TH-cam for sure
I like how you try new things in every video like this time, showing the fan in the bottom right while smoke test...
Great job!
In a way you are my favorite pc related channel. Always unique af. Keep it up!
Nice testing! Keep it up! Really like the engineering approach!
You're doing more honest to god research than most AE doctoral students I've known. Keep doing awesome research! And remember, it's just f*kn around if you don't write it down!
Thanks for putting the little animation in the bottom corner on the smoke test sometimes I didn't know witch one was going
The square looked exceptional in smoke test. And also, the little picture in picture of the fan was nice
That was great thank you (and the people who made the awesome fans).
Really appreciate the indicator of which fan is smoke testing, love the videos keep it up!
Great episode! Could you include the dB readings in the chart summary too? For me it's about the sweet spot of performance:noise. Also, be great to have Noctua's fan listed at the top for reference.
You know what the Moose fan reminds me of? Those fins around an axolotl's head. The blades look almost like that.
...all in all, 2 things are certain:
1) moose antlers make nice fan blades
2) waffles are excellent at spreading dirt (dust) all over the casing
...:D
Love that we can see which fan is it is in the corner.
I LOVE this series!!!
Your video's continue to get better in all aspects, quality, music, and content! Began watching when you had less than 40K subs - happy to see you're over 160K today!
Love the new inset fan pics during the smoke show!
Love the new song and little window 👌👌👌
I love the looks of the square and I was so glad when I also saw it place 1st.
Ayyyyeeee you added a picture of the fans while it’s smoke testing! I Probably wasn’t the only one that suggested that but still, dope.
That square fan is sick.
Thanx for the spinny references in the corner during the smoke test! :D
The square is so cool. I liked how it looked in the fog test.
Hey, I think at the end of every season, you should give out special awards like the quietest fan, the best design, the best static pressure, the best airflow, etc since people buy fans a specific purpose!
I know its a tiny detail, but I absolutely loved the addition of the rotating fan in the bottom right of each corresponding fan during the test. Although, I highly recommend you greenscreen them next time. Keep up the awesome series! Glad to have found the channel and stuck here since the first episode!
Loved the bottom right picture during smoke tests. Since you like upping your game constantly and improving everything i would suggest getting a very small green screen like material and some type of green coloured putty to stick the fans to that and to your spinning surface. That way you could have some of them holding themselves without alligator clips and no background. Awesome content as always!
I sent in a fan design a whole while ago. When you ask people to send in stuff, would be nice to at least get some idea if your design is rejected, in queue or whatever.
he randomizes. its not cheery picked i think
2:04 Oh hey, a Canadian fan!
This is hands down my favorite video with upbeat 90s inspirational video music and the PiP, I wanted to buy something!
got to pause and just say I'm quite amazed by the ingenuity out there. OK, play on.
Very interesting to see the low noise level of the moose fan. It reminds me very much of the cevrons on modern turbofan engines, but with the tips on the leading edge. Very nice design indeed!
Very cool video! I like how you had an image of the fan that was being smoke tested
Love the series, guess you could say im a huge fan of it!
This channel has inspired me to get a 3D printer. Been wanting one for so god damn long, but I love these fan-showdown vids (esp the spinoff one with the phantom multirotor lol).
You were sponsored by Elegoo a little while back, showing off the Neptune 2.... Finally snagged one (jesus christ it's out of stock practically everywhere) and I cannot wait for it to arrive
Excellent music choice for the smoke test.
Nice I just checked your channel to see if the new episode was online.
That turbo model was amazing!
Major Hardware; Check out the exhaust trail of the square fan! its a perfect shape. nearly perfect cone that doesn't appear to deform over distance.
It may not be the best due to its blade design, but the shroud seems to act as a very effective funnel for controlling the direction of the exhaust! this would make a fantastic intake fan since it would direct more air at the cpu cooler/gpu rather than spewing it everywhere into the case.
I love your content and greatly appreciate what you bring to youtube. Please keep up the great work. Any chance you could include your Decibel testing on the spreadsheet as well? TYVM!!!
As always, entertaining to the max, and the creativity on the desings, awesomeness.
For the smoke tests, have you considered adding small pipes/straws to your bottle so that you could get smaller streams of smoke?
+1 for using a Turbo in an ad!!!
When the original Vibram hiking boot sole design came out, many of us called our new boots “waffle-stompers” because of the look of both the sole and boot prints
The new graphics look sick loved the smoke test scene
The moose fan looks organic and alien.
When I hear that 80s pop song, all I can think of is abroad in japan
The square looks so cool while it spins
"Looked at the moose and decided: what an aerodynamic specimen!!"
Never thought I'd hear that sentence 🤣
another top notch episode!
Hey you took the feedback and added pictures in the corner like people requested. Thank you. Much easier to follow along.
1) PiP of the fan during fog test is awesome 👌
2) I think you should start adding "material waste" to your beginning intro of the fans. Weight would probably be easiest to measure I think, grams? Universal.
3) do your neighbors think you smoke pounds of weed? I imagine when you're doing the fog test, at some point, a haze comes out of your house.
Excellent content, thank you!
One thing I would say make an acrylic box to put the smoke machine in and see how long it takes for the fan to remove all the smoke also put the fan on top of the box not the side.
Love your tested.
he was so hilarious yesterday HAHAHA I like it
In my humble opinion, the square looks freaking cool, also seemed to be the one that seemed to suck in more smoke or at least more efficiently.
That square one looked awesome from the front when it was spinning! - also, wauw, that moose was quiet, #ninjamoose!
nice to see the Square pulling all the smoke through the center
Would love you to show the commercial fan results in the centre if the screen when showing the fan results. That way we have a good point of comparison with the other episodes. Also hope the last episode in the series is a re-run of the top 8 fans, done in the same material to get a proper comparison. Great show as always