The Doors Vinyl Box vs Infinite: Review & Comparison
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- Do you love The Doors? Do you love vinyl records? Want to know which is the best version available and why? Click that play button, now!
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The Doors - The Vinyl Box (33rpm):
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The Doors - Infinite (45rpm):
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I'm a big fan of Analog Productions. I have 4 of these albums from them. This was an interesting exercise. It was easy easy to hear the difference even on youtube.
Yep, you know it!
I've been playing the CD & the Blu-ray singles disc & I am still blown away by the AP 45 rpm album!
I believe that....but s lit if people won't...
We want the world and we want it now.
Now? NOW!!!!!!!!
I’m not nearly rich enough to be set up like that for pure analog with all the works for tape and vinyl (not until I win the lottery) - but comparing the DCC release of the self-titled album compared to the traditional CD is definitely noticeable. The piano solo in the crystal ship is almost 3-dimensional, absolutely chilling.
First heard the doors weird scenes inside the goldmine got from the library.double album.
Yes the 45 version wins, in my opinion. More natural sounding, although it is recorded a bit louder, and most of us will confuse louder with "better" in the first listening. But even so, i thing the 45 is better.
Good channel you have here, your passion and enthusiasm for music and vinyl is very obvious in your videos! 👍
Thanks!! I see you are passionate too...great needle drops!
Thank you. Excellent video.
Thank YOU!
Will be in the hunt for the analog box set 👌
Great! Now is the moment...
Hi ANA[DIA]LOG, thank for another excellent video! great job. Thanks for sharing the rips, and..although it helps to see the difference, which is not minor, more in details...I cannot say it is so evident that the newer version is better...and also that loudness...it only makes me willing now to compare to the original release...
I understand...but trust me, listening to the two releases from the turntable is much more evident...in any case I di agree that we are not talking night and day difference...which is interesting!
@@anadialog yes, I think it is interesting to have different versions and listen them time to time
Just found this channel and LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!
Thanks Reynard!!
Although not keen on the Doors, must admit the analogue pressings are louder and have superior sound quality on these vinyl discs.. Enjoyed your video bud!!!
Thanks man!
I downloaded and listened to the files. 45 somehow has narrower stereo image. It also has more low mids. Some remastered albums have narrower stereo image than originals, Rubber Soul etc but i dont get it why in this case the remastered has wider stereo image?
I must admit that the sound between the two is different, not only for the quality but as you mentioned for the imaging but also something else is going on. Considering the The older box was digitalized and they could fix everything they wanted and with tape not very much, I tend to thing that the AAA version is more faithful to the original recordings...
We’ve NEVER once, had a bad experience with Acoustic Sounds/Analogue Productions. When we discover a AP release, we know what we’re getting-period. The last LP we received from them was “Amused To Death” by Roger Waters. From the LP cover to the polylined sleeves to the 200g vinyl itself-PURE PERFECTION. Worth every penny. Thanks for the great video!🎧P.S. What record clamp are you using and why that one? Thanks again!
True
I changed my Clearaudio Twister with the Sota reflex clamp...its amazing even though its cost is absurd. It really grips and clamps down the record with very little weight...and it fits in my turntable with the dust cover completely closed! If you haven't, check this video I made on clamps: th-cam.com/video/S6jeONQPWH4/w-d-xo.html
I was able to get all six albums separately for around $210 on sale on reverb. I can live without the box.
Excellent choice!!
Another great upload !!I picked up the AP 45 rpm of LA woman last week from discogs sealed for $54.00. Did AP adjusted the speed?
Nope! No speed and pitch correction!
Joe Ike that seems like you got a deal 😉
Just got mine last night....huge sacrifice on them 45's AP but I am a huge fan so what the hell you only live once!!!!
Bravo!!
I got four of them the best sounding records
Hi great video! Thanks a lot
I have a one question: so the Infinite AAA version hasn’t the speed corrected as they did on the first box?
Exactly!
on which of these records "she gets High" was included in break on through?
I got all my Doors vinyl for $1 each from used bins back in the early 80's
Lucky rascal!!!
@@anadialog Everyone was dumping all there old rock albums because they weren't cool anymore. A "New Wave" of music had rolled in.
Are the digital pressings from the 2007 remixes?
I have them on CD and they are fantastic sligthly different and with extras.
Better sounding than original vinil, different mixes.
2008...yes, they corrected a few things as I mentioned...nothing drastic...
I believe Pedro is talking about the 40 anniversary remixes released on CD in 2007 by Rhino. Those CDs don't have speed and pitch corrections, but new mixes with slight different aproaches here and there. So, according to your video, I believe that the 2008 Rhino's vinyl box does not have the 2007 remixes. The 2008 vinyl box has the original mixes, the original music. But the mastering of those vinyls was digital (just like a CD) and they were pitch/speed corrected.
Yes...the box was release in 2008 but produced in 2007, maybe we are talking about the same process...and yes, there were corrections...
Yes those remixes are absolutely marvelous, for me they are the best sounding rock I have.
And the best remixes better than all I heard.
In La Woman we can hear the room it's super sharp ,super clean , super textured, super holographic.
One must have in CD, or DVD AUDIO (US).
"Card hiss by my window" is extended.
I have original vinyl, remastered CD and the best for me are the remixes, super HI-FI.
Very cool! My favorite band. You are lucky. But what about SACD Infinite Box? It is DSD, which is as close to the analogue reproduction as possible, but not degrading in time. What is better? This one or SACD?
I do not have the SACD but they were sourced from the tapes...with 45rpm speed and two whole records, hence plenty of space, there is no compression, hence I would say the lps!
@@anadialog They say that mastering is totally the same. Interesting, will anybody compare them directly?
Wow.. the 45 version is better. the dynamic is higher compared with the 33 version. However.. did you clean up the disc before play? I saw some plics/plocs in the beginning on the 33 version.
I always clean each side of a record and the stylus! I just cut that in the video...
Would the 45 rpm releases possibly fit into the Vinyl Box? I have the individual 45 rpms but the empty Infinite boxes are not available anymore. Curious if the Vinyl Box would be an option to hold them.
Of course! They are the same records, just sold separately. The book is going to be messing perhaps...
@@anadialog I may not have been clear with my question. What I was wondering is, would the 2 LP versions that you'd get in the Infinite box fit into an empty box from the Vinyl Box (the box that looks like snakeskin ).
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't understand. I don't think so. I sold mine but it was much more narrow than the Analogue Productions records all together.
I don't like the corrected version of light my fire or when they add word high on break on through. It's just not how I'm used to hearing it.
Do you hear this on both versions or only one?
Ive heared about washing new vinyl before putting on the turntable. Do you agree?
I agree!... but personally I am too lazy to do it..;-)
You can go wrong with "Chad Kassem"! I know him, he'll only use digital if the tape is not available, or is too degraded!
Cool!
yeah i heard both samples you put now wow 1st box sounds muted but i like still like im playin a tape but best sound lp man sound on all i cry all is clear doors of perception are cleansed there sad i'll not afford the cds version nor really lp version ouch!!!!! sad
I thought the 2nd one sounded better. Pretty wild
Self Titled of AP pressing was not from the master tape but a copy tape. The original tape was worn out and actually for the first album DCC did the master even better and more similar to the original.
Yes, that happened also in the older boxset and not just one album if I remember correctly. In any case, thanks for pointing that out.
For me the best recordings from the doors I've put my ears are the cd versions done by Bruce Botnick and Bernie Grundman 96khz 24bit witch they claim that were done from the original master tapes. I think that's false because the Break on Through is a non censored version in witch Jim says (she get high) instead of only (she gets). For me i think it´s a remix of the original 8 track session, original, backup or similar. If you want a sample send me you email that i´ll do you a wetranfer. I have the new Chad / Doug Sax 45rpm and compared. It seems insulting to analogue but it's my ears.
Interesting! Sure, I would love a sample, perhaps we could share it with the others. You can find my email in the information tab on the channel. Do you know the year of release?
@@anadialog It will be availeble for one week on this link we.tl/t-bsnkjLtQY8
ANA[DIA]LOG It says : Remastered from the original 2 track masters to 96khz 24 bit digital by Bruce Botnick and Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, California, U.S.A.., August 1999
What intrigues me it that is not the censored version, so either is the master before the censored one (probably a first generation mix) or it’s a mix from the 8 track session tape. I think the first is the best bet.
Interesting...I have to check better...
@@anadialog Great, then give me your opinion. ciau.
Mmhh, it's difficult to sort out which is more faithfull to the original...here we're listening at different mastering choices.
Analogue productions one is more pleasant and inviting, I would guess some sort of mild compression has been applied, on the contrary the 33 rpm one sounds more relaxed (and natural IMHO).
Digital Vs Analog has nothing to do with it... those difference are clear on two digital files made at home.
The Analogue productions box is less compressed than the original releases...its 45rpm. They have double the space with half more speed that the original...plus AP did a direct transfer, no fiddling with speed and pitch...
ANA[DIA]LOG being a 45rpm release is not related with compression used during mastering.
If you measure DR of your two files you will find that one is DR11 while the other is DR10, so we have 1 dB lower crest factor on Analogue production release; if you examine visually vaweforms you will find that a very delicate amount of limiting has been applied and also some mild compression to give a fuller and more pleasant sound. This not a bad thing in general and result is fantastic but nevertheless it’s a ‘remaster’ and probably the most faithfull to original analogue masters is the digital processed one, IMHO.
I expressed my self In the wrong manner, it's a 45 release meaning that they had to use two records to add that extra info, but they ALSO had a double amount of space, as I wrote, meaning much much less compression!
@@anadialog Maybe I'm not explaining it well...let's try in a different manner. ;)
YES, it's a fact that a 45 rpm release can be more faithfull (more dynamics and details) than a 33 rpm one since it has more space between adiacent grooves and more vinyl lenght to use.
But NO, if the master (analog or digital is the same) has less dynamic range in its own the 45rpm release can't increase it and this is also simply a fact.
The DR mesurement of your files tells you that Analogue Production release has 1dB less crest factor and this is a fact too.
Mastering engineers use moderate amounts of compression to 'glue' somewhat sound and give a more pleasant sound which feels more real and is also PERCEIVED as more dynamic while in fact it's not so.
Maybe you already have it but if not I would suggest to buy Marco Lincetto's 'How&Why - The recording secrets of Velut Luna Vol.2' and listen to tracks 7 to 13, they're mastered with different techniques and amount of compression (www.velutluna.it/index.php?c=7a&l=eng&spc=&id_cat=10&pagina=1&id=223).
After listening to those tracks it will be cleadr how it sounds a less processed/compressed production.
Well, yes of course. That is obvious. Can't generate info. Any record will never hold all the info on a tape, just as digital. But if we increase speed you will have more INFORMATION on the record than a lower speed. I have master tapes copies of Marco Lincetto recordings. Good but not amazing. Try Chesky recordings...they are pure and absolutely fantastic.
where I can buy only one vynil 100% analog in italy?
You mean of the doors? A good place is musicandvideo.it
@@anadialog in general I say
You must know the labels, not the places. At that point even Amazon.it is good. Check this video if you haven't: th-cam.com/video/Ybmw-qGOtAc/w-d-xo.html
Wow, that did sound great! But 700 euros in the Netherlands. Bloody hell! There is also a SACD version at 'just' 270 euros. I'm afraid it's going to be ordinary LP's or perhaps CD's for me..
I know, its insane...that is why I decided to import them from the US...
ANA[DIA]LOG Hmm, that might be an idea. But wow, quality is expensive!
I know...but you can also find them separately...
I have a orginal 67 Electra gold label pressing. Doesn't sound that great. Very thin. Not much bass.
That is what I heard...thanks for sharing that!
So. You have spent close to $1000US for 2 box sets. Of the same band's disocgraphy. Or. You were comped Analogue Productions' box set. Either way. Life is good. I may have to start my own vinyl record channel.
Hi Jim, I got the first box in 2008. Now this one. The first at the time was around 350$ the same I paid for this one 11 years after thanks to the recordstore day discount I was waiting for. Total 700$. Now I am going to sell the old one for the same price since they are near mint. In the end a 360$ operation. Life is good if you know how to move and make the best out of things!
If sold in the UK shops this set would cost a lot lot more .
I doubt any record will be Analog anymore as Digital is now a rule .
I never heard of the Doors .
There are always AAA records. For one thing, how do you think labels like MFSL will survive if they start using digital masters?
shaun great story behind the doors, research as much as you can, you’ll be amazed at it all 😀
You mean audiophile labels! For normal releases Shaun is right...
Indeed!
@@anadialog Not sure about Audiophiles.
Need something with a pulse , a beat or something .
well it cost a fortune... i’ve just bought from German shop 1 box... ufffff
The sad thing was the analog wasn't analog but digitally remastered....So .
Sounds more echoey stereo version.
Dude, your channel is cool but please fix the reflections in your glasses.
Thanks but it is too time consuming, I would need two lights and I don't have time to set them up...family issues...;-)
You people always find something stupid to bitch about. The only yhing important about a video is the content.
Laukie 😂 lol
The 45 part was much better sounding much louder but still nothing to my ears beets CD sound as a kid i use and bought a lot of needles as the Beatles on CD the best
Have you tried The Beatles mono box? Hardly that can be beaten!
you shoulda played a part of each boxset as im still confused i know 12lp box is best ever on cd too but cds are 200-300 this infite lp set sadly need but never affort at 800-900$$ usd man 200-300 is other lp box mp3 was used but no choice no help to get the infinite lp set sadly man not long before i exit life sadly after ill mom!! doors fan since 1985 age 6 cos rip older cousin!!!! i am buying lots doors live lps la woman 4xlp la woman 2xlp $50+ each $116 found 20 7" lps box singles buying lot live too aquarius $126-$146....n more then re cds 40th ann w the extra outtake stuff too...all be over $800 lol price of infinite but miss all others can buy far from rich eat 1x a weel man ya got 1 ya want sell to poor bastard????? in texas, usa....-john...doubt need ask...
I thought you were from USA ! Italy ? 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
Si! I am 50% USA and 50% Italian...but I grew up in Italy so I consider my self mainly Italian...which I speak even better...
Nothing's better then the originals. Even analog productions aren't as good probably cause the tapes where in better condition back then
I would love to see a comparison with original vs the quality pressing
They are just too darn expensive...
@@anadialog true true but quality pressing are very good just the same would just love to do comparisons. I'm pretty sure that quality pressings will usually always have better bass