From CANCELLATION to joining a “CULT”… what happened to Tati Westbrook?!
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This video is about Tati Westbrook and her recent strange behaviour following her cancellation! Enjoy :)
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I'm a dietician/kinesiologist that somewhat specializes in orthorexia and I spend too much of my time on debunking statements made by influencers. People like Tati keep me in business and I wish they didn't.
I appreciate people like you SO MUCH 💗
You guys should do a collab. I’d love to hear your answers to some of her statements. 🙂
Orthorexia?? Is that they call people who eat clean?
Personally I feel like her struggle with infertility has sent her on some weird paths just trying anything to make her body do what she wants I feel bad for her tbh
So like... Serena Waterford vibes?
That’s exactly what I thought. I kinda wish they just adopted a kid instead of starting a vitamin company
it's a pretty common route into these stuff, my mother started like that too (and obviously had 'evidence' since she was able to have kids after starting) , if it brings comfort sure but particularly when you start advocating for more harmful things or when you have a massive audience like tati...
I agree, i just feel very sorry for her.
Desperation makes you very susceptible to weird ideas. I know from experience. 😂
Between her and Michelle Phan, this woowoo bullshit is coming for all the OGs. Someone check in on Wayne Goss lol
YEPP i have no clue what’s going on 😭
Omg I used to love watching his videos in middle school 😂
Plz not Wayne Goss
as someone suffering with an ED for many years I think the “ vegan “ phase a lot of these influencers went through was actually just a super restrictive ED . it makes sense that “ an egg or piece of chicken … ect “ would “ transform “ them when in actuality it was because their bodies were in a starvation mode
Literally, I was thinking she likely was not eating enough calories to eating more. It makes a difference for sure! Stressing over everything and trying to control every detail of your life is just another form of restriction.
@Obscura definitely! ive been vegan for a couple years and in the beggining it was hard to get enough protein cause we as a society are used to getting protein from animals, so i simply didnt know what to eat. but after you do a bit of research and get into a new routine its just as healthy or even more!
was looking for a comment like this because I was thinking the same thing. She finally is just giving herself the proper nutrition that her body actually needs. no wonder she feels so much better now, she has the energy the fully function not only physically but also mentally.
omg that’s totally it you cracked it!
@Obscura omg I remember being a young girl (like 15/16) watching people like iJustine, Joey, Rosanna etc and the amount of healthy eatting moments in their vlogs was excessive. I love them, but eventually I had to stop watching their content (on a consistent level) because of how dangerous it was for me at that age. Like I literally comment under one of Joey's videos that it's nice he was promoting healthy eatting, but I thought it was inappropriate how he was talking about juicing, strict diets and not discussing balanced eatting when his fan base is so young.
“Always chasing something” is exactly how Tati has always felt to me. She has never just been at peace
literally this.
Tati is one of those people who has medical issues and seeks out something she can do or change in order to make herself feel like she has control over the issues rather than accepting that sometimes human bodies just don't do what we want them to do. I feel bad that she is infertile. I know she has wanted a child for a long time. But her diet isn't causing the issue. It's just one of the things she has control over and it's something she can focus on to help put her at ease.
Yes, she has promoted lots of different health 'fads' over the years but really it's is an issue in the mind she needs to deal with first. I feel for her in this situation but I also worry about the misinformation she is spreading to people via her channel.
I'm her age, I think her thinking comes from all those women's magazines of late 90sand 00s that touted cures for almost anything with fad diets and supplements.
That could be true but then there’s also the case of RawbeautyKristi who suffered from infertility her whole life, then she went on a keto diet and got pregnant naturally by accident. Our diet actually ties closely to our hormones so who knows.
@@eh1126 Exactly. Dr. Neal Barnard (who has sued the USDA...**ahem**) has had many patients conceive through diet change. Diet has a lot to do with hormones. I shrank my uterine and breast fibroids changing my diet alone, and I healed other ailments the more I refined it, so I would have to disagree. In fact, I encourage most women to assess what they are eating if they're having some kind of female/reproductive issue.
I don't understand why people aren't grasping that the nutrition you put inside of you is FUEL. Your cells need fuel and the correct fuel to make the correct hormones!!! If my doctor is NOT asking me about diet in the first interaction, I'm out.
@@eh1126 did Kristi lose weight before she got pregnant?
I’m not a doctor, I’m not diagnosing her. All I’m gonna say society as a whole really needs to get better at recognizing the signs of orthorexia.
I also think orthorexia should become an official diagnosis because it seems to be on the rise!
Absolutely my thought!
But scientifically there simply are so many things in our food/environment/water that has led to an increase in all kinds of diseases. That's true. And we have to vigilant if we want to be healthy, unfortunately.
my thoughts as someone who both has a bowel syndrome and was a health coach:
when your health isn’t the way you’d like, you tend to obsess over it. your body is the only home you never leave. it’s tough to deal with symptoms and go through the stress of pinpointing what’s wrong. there are also dozens of camps in the nutrition space. every single one of them have a clique-ish group and diet culture language. there will always be extremists in every group and nutrition is BIG on that.
ultimately, she’s probably put a lot of trust in people who may or may not be right in order to heal her body. there are some smaller aspects to what she says that could be true and rooted in studies, but the majority of nutrition is personal and individualized. there’s a fallacy that everyone has where the moment you discover something new, you feel the most entitled to share that info. but as you learn, you realize you don’t know nearly enough to coach everyone nor is your responsibility to.
i think she should be careful and her audience should be careful too. hopefully she can find a way to explore her health without making it a part of her brand, cause this could be dangerous for those who are gullible.
*sorry this was long. i can recognize the ideologies she’s talking about so i’m not surprised by her changes and thought i’d share from my perspective.
@@KY67979 100% but one thing is "our food has microplastics and we have to be careful with what we put in our bodies" and another thing is going from that to "all chemicals, all vaccines, all meds are bad and will kill you"
You can just tell by how she uses her very specific scientific vocabulary that she's been fed those terms and doesn't actually know what they mean.
Anyone in science can recognise this kind of behaviour and it's so frustrating.
The fact that she thinks she has some kind of mysterious illness because she has gut issues is also a big giveaway that she has no idea what she’s talking about.
Great video on this topic: th-cam.com/video/5vGWo4VedjA/w-d-xo.html
GUYS I get it: Seattle is not in Texas and it is progressive. I simply misspoke because she moved from LA to Florida to Texas to Seattle so my brain did a fart. I GET IT 😭 If you see 100 other comments correcting me you do not need to add to it and make it 101 💗😂 x
She was born in Seattle, moved to LA, went back to Seattle for a few months and now is in Texas. Its so complicated 🤣 I think she never stayed in Florida for that long to consider it a move
lmaooooo
Lol. At least it's engagement
Well this video put you back in my recommended, engagement is engagement ;)
Hahaha it's ok, Angelika, mistakes happen. I live in Washington and I almost went cross eyed when you said that, but I had a good laugh!
lmao girl i got this twitter notification and read the title and came here instantly 😂
HELLO 💗💗💗
I just think she's just so desperate to heal and find meaning in her life, which is so sad
That’s what I think x
In the last few years she went through infertility, massive lawsuits, her brand closing down and dramageddon.. I think she's not in the right space mentally and I hope she'll find peace 😔I've watched her for years and it makes me so sad!
Yeah, but… vegetables !
It's interesting because I feel like I've seen an increase in this "clean only, no medicines/vaccines" mentality in the U.S for some time. So when I saw Tati released her vitamin brand, I ignored it. Then she shifted into a religious/spiritual mentality and i got worried it would turn into a cult mentality. 😭
Yeah it seemed to be a slow progression for her and now she’s fully dived in 😭
@@angelikamakeup 😭 I just hope she's okay bc I LOVED Her content too. Now I barely watch when she does videos about spirituality or other stuff related to that content
Yeah I hope she realises how far into all of this she is and steps back a bit 🥺
@@angelikamakeup I think she is also still recovering from the extreme stress she experienced cus of the James/Jeffrey drama. Also omg seeing you respond makes me AH! Thank you for posting ur videos! I've been watching ur content for a LONG time. Wishing you the best of luck! 😊
It's like some Qanon BS, don't worry...Darwin will take care of them
The thing about the issues she brings up (microplastics in water, mind/gut health, etc) are actually important topics overall but the way she frames them into a “well since this is A then B happens obviously G comes next” is real genuine cult-ish tactics of spreading misinfo. That’s how we see so many “smart” or “down to earth” people falling into these cult-ish traps.
YES!
Right, the fact that practically everything we use and eat has harmful chemicals that cause us issues is a huge problem, but her form of messaging turns a lot of people off.
Yeah I was like gut brain link, sure, then all gluten is bad for all & I was like wtf?!
or, she is a lot less complicated than folks are “concerned” about😊
@@straighttalker3459 yes bc lacking nuance is the way to go when discussing cults 😩 i didn’t say she was doing it intentionally but this IS factually how ppl use rhetoric in cults
I’m really concerned for Tati. Her messaging and fear mongering can be so harmful. I completely understand being intentional about what you put in and on your body, but I just think she’s taken it to a level that isn’t healthy or scientifically backed.
Well, if she says it makes her feel better. Some of what Tati said was true though. I also have a restrictive, keto diet but it's for my seizures.
Feels like she's on the wellness to alt-right pipeline tbh
@@k.b.9343 you're delusional
@@k.b.9343 yeah she’s definitely on the path, hopefully she doesn’t follow it all the way
Yet she still gets botox injections. As in, botulinum TOXIN.
Btw Seattle is actually pretty similar to LA in terms of culture and politics! It is in Washington, not Texas so it is still on the west coast :)
Thank you - didn’t realise!
I was sure I must have misheard something listening to the video so I'm glad I found your comment lol. I was like wait... did she move to Texas or Seattle?
@@Grace-vi1rv I think she was in seattle at first then more recently moved to texas. What's sad to me is how hollow of a person you must be for your personal ideologies to be so drastically impacted by your environment/ where you happen to live at any given time
I was so confused for a minute haha
It just reflects the type of “information” that we’re getting from this channel.
It’s such a pet peeve for me when people are talking about clean makeup and skin care being free from chemicals. No that’s not how it works!
Do you think people calling her the ‘mom’ of TH-cam and saying she so wise because of her age contributed to her not listening to fans about her friendship with Jeffree? Like “I’m the mom of TH-cam, and I’m older than you guys, I have more life experience…I think I’ll be fine.” I feel like she got a little cocky because she’s been so good at judging things in an unbiased way that she felt everyone else was biased and didn’t understand it like she did.
Thanks for speaking out about ageism. I’m a couple of years older than Tati and I always appreciated having someone on TH-cam talking about beauty who wasn’t a teenager. Especially because I cringe when I look back at how I did my beauty in my teens and twenties. We learn so much about what works for us over the years so I’m not inclined to trust much younger people on beauty. It took years for me to work out how to not make myself look like a clown.
Have you seen Robert Welsh he is 38 years old and was a make up artist before he started a Channel he actually knows what he's doing so maybe nice to look into
I had to come back to comment on Angelika’s rant on clean “chemical-free” labeling. 😂 I feel her every time I see anything “chemical free” being pandered, literally every time I log onto fb. I have a few crunchy friends and it drives me absolutely nuts! So much “chemical free” beauty, hygiene, and cleaning items and I’m just like… did we not all go to high school together? Did we not take chem class together? Like what?? You as a person are made of chemicals. 😂😭
Agree completely. Even oxygen is a chemical element
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Yeah. But I think they know what they mean when they say that to each other. They don't mean "good chemicals" like benign or helpful stuff made by nature, but "scary bad chemicals" that are made by evil humans in labs, that could omg poison you!! But literally that's why we have the FDA, so we can TEST the chemicals we both naturally source AND synthesize in labs. Line snake venom is natural, but it can kill you, but the anti venom is synthesized to cancel the venom out, by using the venom molecules as a precursor protein before they change it somehow or year what will contact it.
Right?! Sometimes it makes me want to yell "EVERYTHING IS MADE OF CHEMICALS" but I'm trying not to look like an insane person 😅
I feel like some people would freak out if they found out they are 60% Dihydrogen oxide (that’s a joke in case anyone doesn’t get it-humans are made of about 60% water lol)
Seattle is in Washington state, not Texas 😊 it’s also considered one of the most progressive cities in the US.
I unfollowed Tati when she released her first Halo Beauty product. The way she spoke about it screamed misinformation to me. It gave cult vibes to me.
Definitely feels like she COULD be in a “control this environment. Control the everything!” response mode to _something._ Disordered eating and seeking out higher powers is definitely a typical response. But I mean, none of us know her and we will prob never know.
Yes 100% trying to over control everything!
Completely understandable after her whole world came crashing down once before. I mean, she was in a huge lawsuit where her business partner tried to royally screw her over, and that’s completely ignoring what Shane and Jeffree did. She deserves some grace.
i think it probably has a lot to do w her fertility issues
Sometimes when your life spins out of control, you attempt to gain control over everything and go overboard. Feeling out of control is the root of several mental health issues.
I think it was already an underlying issue and the life changes beyond her control, just turned it up 1000.
I think my biggest issue with present Tati is that her new "diet" is that she seems to be supporting an extremely expensive lifestyle that the average person can't afford. It's so incredibly expensive and unattainable for the average person, and she's making it seem like it's the only way to improve your health. Like, who can afford special water? Who can afford to buy meat straight from the farmer? She seems so out of touch now and unaware of the average person. Back in her prime, we knew she was wealthy, but she still seemed like she was in touch with people. Now, she just seems like she's an out of touch rich lady and she's not relatable anymore.
FYI in the Midwest and down south in US it’s actually cheaper to buy meat from a farmer. A whole cow costs around 1,000 and ends up costing 3.99/pound processed vs 7.00 a pound minimum at meat counter!!!
@@hollylindauer1678 Sure, it’s cheaper over time but how many people can afford that upfront cost when they’re living paycheck to paycheck?
@@haleyps6929 Yes upfront cost is hard. When we first started doing it we had to save a little bit at a time over a few months. Once you’re in the habit of doing and it’s easier to save but it’s definitely harder at first
@Haley PS It’s not her job tho…? She’s not required to be 100% relatable.
@@spasticfurchild Being relatable is part of what made her likable and popular. Clearly what she’s doing now isn’t working as well since her views are down and people aren’t enjoying her content as much. 🤷🏼♀️
Thank you for talking about this. I feel like nobody that watched her video talking about her change of lifestyle, really spoke up about the issues you’ve covered. I honestly think she’s a little lost and means well, but she probably has a lot on her plate still.
That’s exactly what I think - she’s not evil, just lost x
I'm actually surprised not that many "tea/drama channels" are covering this right now, especially Peter Monn. He just keeps making videos about James Charles, Shane Dawson, Jeffree Star and Jaclyn Hill. He used to make videos on Tati all the time and now he hasn't said a PEEP about her in a very long time. I know he had an accident and he almost died and I was SO worried about him during that time period and I'm SO happy he survived and made a full recovery. Peter is one of my favorite drama commentary channels but I just now thought about how long it's been since he's even brought Tati up!
When I first saw the "new" Tati, the first thing that came to my mind: wow, she's brainwashed... sounds like a cult tho...
Exactly! Something felt off for a while 🥴
Same, I watched the first video back and immediately thought "nope" and unsubscribed. It was very off.
I have a lot of love for Tati and I just hope she finds her way out of the mess. Like you said, her life’s been HELL for the last three years (and that’s based only on what she actually shared with us, god knows how much more she endured she never shared on the internet) and I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of her choices were a trauma response.
Much of she's sharing she exaggerates on purpose to garner sympathy (and $ocial media engagement) IMO.
She made to herself. I do not feel any sympathy for her at all. If she she was clever, she could easily avoid the disasters in her life and maybe even concieve. She rather decided to control everything, her downfall is her narcisitic hunger 🤷♀️
Her life’s been hell? She’s a rich white girl with a great life. There are tons of people whose lives have been hell the last few years, who lost their jobs, their homes, who lost loved one‘s etc. She does what all bored rich people do: she creates problems for herself.
Stop making excuses for these youtubers. It must be so hard making a makeup video 1 or 2x a week and being paid an absurd amount of $$. The people in the REAL WORLD that struggle paying bills & live pay check to pay check are the ones you should feel bad for.
Her dietary concerns are rooted in fact, like how your brain and your gut are explicitly linked, but she takes it to a whole other level. Always on the extreme end. I wish she wasn't so succeptible to the capitalist diet market, or at least didn't share it with her audience.
I agree. I have celiac, and while not everything she said applies to everyone, the oxalates thing and the brain gut connection stuff and the gluten stuff is very scientifically backed
Yeah. This video makes it seem like micro plastics are fake and that there isn’t a link w gut health and mental function. Seems more like this YTer didn’t do her research. If you’re going to negate someone’s statements, YOU need to actually back it up.
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@@blahxblahxblah100well, no. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Tati kind of just says things without clear backing, so Angelika can dismiss those things without backing. If you assert something, the burden of proof is ALWAYS yours.
I have OCD that has manifested as extreme hypochondria and disordered eating, and I'm really concerned for Tati. I'm not trying to diagnose Tati, but the buzzwords she is dropping are indicative of an unhealthy obsession with food at the very least.
Trying to control everything is absolutely a trauma response and what she's been through for the last three years would traumatize anyone. I really hope she learns some healthy coping strategies and finds health and happiness.
I’m sorry that’s happening to you! Very interesting take on the situation though x
Tati strikes me as a follower. She mimics whoever she is hanging out with. I am glad you pointed out how traumatic the internet can be. Well done video. Wishing the best for Tati🙏🏾
Yeah, I always take Tati’s health advice with a grain of salt. Don’t get me wrong, I was an avid watcher of hers. Everything she claims health-wise always comes from one source, “the internet.” I roll my eyes every time she says “Do your research.” Miss gworl, if we all did our own internet research, we’d all be doctors. 🙄
“Do your own research” has always made me laugh. Their research is random articles on the internet 💀 but the research done by getting data from actual peer reviewed studies by professionals is wrong tho. 🤔 I’d like to know if they’re setting up their own experiments at home
Ah yes google medical school 😂
As an MD, ScD and professional research scientist I rly appreciate this comment
She has talked many times about how she feels so much more at peace, but what I see is someone who is very afraid. I think that as she avoids all of these things like tap water or vegetables, she thinks she’s finding peace-but she’s really just creating a bubble in which she can exist and feel in control. I have done this before and also thought that I was at peace, when without realizing it I was actually running for my life. It’s very sad, and I don’t recognize her anymore either.
A podcast is the last thing Tati needs😅
Tati talking about gut health and then recommending dairy is wild. I have an inflammatory disorder and many gut issues and the anti inflammatory diet actual health professionals tend to recommend is very no dairy. (Also not trying to say that dairy is straight up bad for you but if you have problems with gut health/inflammation its something that doctors will recommend stopping)
This is where it purely depends on the person and their bodies ability to process particular foods.
My body does amazing on high protein, and fat with a decent dose of fibre. High carbs make me drowsy and bloated. My body does beautifully with dairy products, but if I eat a vegetarian diet (not even vegan) within a week I start feeling sick, and tired. Yet I know people that have been vegetarian their entire lives that are quite fine. I do think humans are very complex and many things in our diets are not black and white.
Unfortunately I do the best I can with what I can afford and that means I can't eat perfectly for what my body craves because it's a very expensive diet. And I think many people are in the same boat.
@@savannahrae9122 yeah, it’s very subjective. Nightshades are one of the things to avoid on the anti inflammatory diet but I don’t have a problem with those (it’s the Italian in me lol). I just thought it was strange that she talked about that like this is a fact they don’t want you to know when for many if not most people dairy products/milk specifically are more irritating than alternatives
And your point about things being expensive is very true! Many things that are “good for you” are way more expensive than other things, I always thought it was fucked how gluten free stuff is so expensive when celiac is an actual disease that can ruin peoples lives.
Yes as the other person said it depends. I am in France and nobody here think here that dairy is bad for your gut or cause inflammatory in general. If you have gut issues the first thing they'll look is if you eat a lot of processed food and sugar, alcohol content etc... If symptoms continue they'll process by elimination while trsting all type of food including vegetables... Plus when it comes to dairy there is different quality of dairy also. But If you're lactose intolerant obviously it is advice to not drink dairy but that's not the case of everyone and it'seasy and quick to be tested on that. Nuts are healthy, although many people are allergic or sensitive to eat so they just have to avoid it but that does not mean it is not good in general.
Actually the gut is called "the second" brain because is true that it influences a lot the way we feel and our humor, hormones, etc.
Absolutely! I just didn’t like that she said if you have gut issues then your brain can’t be healthy. Which is not correct.
You said it !!! Tati is and has always been chasing something. Spiritually. Physically. Psychologically. Personally.
Each time more sure than the last.
I love that you literally say that you’re making commission hahah you are our honest queen
I don’t see the point in lying to the people that watch my content and let me do what I do ✨
I’m an intern in dieteticswhat frustrates me the most is that as a futuredietitian I have to use scientific evidence for everything I say to my clients or patients and people like Tati spread so much misinformation and people believes it. Eat what you want but please don’t spread so much misinformation.
I think also the food growing and processing standards in America is so abysmally low and very shady in order to benefit corporates, it’s easier for people to develop distrust against “conventions”, which then leads them down these strange pipelines
Absolutely - I think living in Europe makes you less susceptible to believing pseudo science because our food is much better quality as a whole!
I fully feel that shes antivaxx, right wing, essential oil believing, hardcore religious.. those people are in a "cult." My mom has gone that route and it's so sad to watch people go down that path
Yes! My theory is she got involved with Mormans/LDS church or something similar.
It’s also hard to watching ppl go left wing. 20 boosters, hormone blockers, open borders etc…I don’t think being religious means your “hardcore” right wing.
She actually thinks seed oils are harmfull and moisturise her whole body with animal pure fat. So idk. I am worried about her, something is off. Something is weird.
@@Purplepotion It’s not exactly “pure fat” it’s tallow which has been rendered and scented and all that. It does nourish the skin and can be used as a cooking agent. BUT there’s many many things that moisturize the skin just as well and also better. Such as natural butters like cocoa butter. It’s not like some miracle cure or anything, it really seems like she’s being fed information that just isn’t factual or she has developed a real genuine fear of “chemicals and unclean things” which is concerning.
@@Purplepotion Correction shea butter. It has the exact same lipids in it that tallow does.
Any creator unironically bringing up “clean beauty” and all the BS misinformation that comes with it… instantly no
She still has this LA affectation of talking about ‘doing’ a food, like it’s a drug. “I’m doing dairy”. On Selling Sunset they order food saying ‘I’m going to do the salad and the mineral water”
People are getting really weird about saying they eat and it’s concerning
I still cherish my Tati palette so much that I literally mentioned it in my homeowners insurance policy; only other makeup included are my Hourglass yearly 6 pan release collection. God forbid, that's what I would want to replace.
She had such a unique idea in that palette. Surprised she didn't stick with that
her extremes with her diet (vegan -> clean -> carnivorous) feel like she's jumping from ed to ed. it feels like she's grasping for some semblance of control in her chaotic life.
I sort of can't help but like Tati but you're so right for this, the "clean beauty" and health misinformation is very worrying stuff from her
Not to defind everything she's saying, the filtering your water and not drinking tap in the USA is actually pretty normal.
Tati may have a condition that responds well to Keto. There are medical conditions which do (and how Keto was even created). That’s basically what she’s saying when she says her body is responding well to higher protein and fat. Also, yes, there can be lots of bad things in tap water. Look at Flint Michigan. In my city our water tastes really sulfury so who knows what crap is actually in there. Not saying her pseudoscience isn’t nonsense but giving the benefit of the doubt that there could be logic behind what she’s saying, and she’s just saying it very poorly.
I agree 100%. I have not watched her video so if she was only speaking about herself yes there are people who are having issues with ingesting some vegetables. To be honest in most cases it's because they were eating way to much of it, or too much of the same vegetable, ot too much of certain raw vegetables like raw spinach which has a high level of oxalate when not cooked. So it's not a good thing to eat too much of it raw, especially for certain people who are more sensitive to it. As she explained she used to do like many people who thi k they found health a lot of veggie smoothie which can explain a lot of things. Plus she did not say she does not eat veggies but less of it and overall more wholefood which everyone should do. Although her collagen powder is not really natural and wholefood either but that's another topic. I am currently studying to become a dietician in France and review a lot of nutrition research paper and what she said in the clip I saw at least can make sense for certain people. There is not one single way for everyone to eat healthy but there might be only one or 2 ways to eat healthy for one particular person.
I totally get what you are saying. My mom sometimes comes to me with these crazy stories like "cooked banana helps your brain to produce serotonin" that totally comes from conspiracies or pseudoscience. But to be fair regarding the gluten issue, it can make a person really lethargic if them have allergies or are intolerant (that can really affects your chemicals and day to day activities). A person can lose a lot of water in those "bathroom sessions"and that can cause headaches due to dehydration etc.
Totally. Even as far as celiac disease. But she was talking about bodies not being able to process/ benefit from vegetables at all. Really strange. I mean, there might be a condition that affects people that way, but I'm sure if it does exist it's so rare that talking so flippantly and generally about it is dangerous. Like someone with aquagenic urticaria using their platform to denounce hand washing because of their "personal experience".
Yup was going to comment the same thing about gluten! But gluten ≠ mental health issues, can just exacerbate them for some that have intolerances and malabsorption
My cousin has a fructose intolerance that means she can’t eat most fruits and vegetables. And I had a friend in High School who had so many allergies, she couldn’t eat fruits and vegetables either.
But those are two very specific issues that can easily be diagnosed by a doctor with one test. Definitely nothing that affects the general population
Banana in general helps you make serotonin. It's scientific.
I eat her current diet (basically meat, carbs and fat/sugar) due to huge food anxiety and texture issues… my teeth are absolutely fd, I’ve been severely anaemic my entire life, I would do anything to change it. I’m slowly trying to introduce some fruit and veggies, cause now I’m a fully grown adult and know better, but my brain just says no 🥲 considering hypnotherapy. I can’t explain how weird it is to see someone actively recommending this
Thank you for sharing that - hope you and her both are able to find balance in food x
I have the same problem. Much love to you ❤️❤️
I just want everyone to know it can take over 12-14 exposures to a new food to acclimate to it, so be patient with yourselves and kind to yourselves during that process. Good luck to everyone recovering from disordered eating 💕✨ it takes time, and more time, but it’s doable.
If you can stomach them some of the best foods for iron that can actually be properly absorbed and used by your body easily is oysters or muscles, I don't like oysters (unless they are done Kilpatrick style )but I can eat cooked muscles in the format of chilli muscles. Coming from someone with a copper iud which means I need to watch my iron doesn't drop super low because of the iud.
I know it's not a move away from meat but I thought I'd mention it. If you don't like textures or flavours look for recipes that you can, get creative. 😁
A good example is I hate scallops in all formats other than a creamy soup with no roe.
i'm literally just commenting this to show off the fact I know something but; Microplastics and the chemicals in microplastics do genuinely affect hormones and are harmful. They disrupt all sorts of important hormones in the body and can cause abnormal growth. If anyones actually interested in the affects pubmed is a great resource!
An example of how people take a grain of truth and turn it into a mountain of lies lol
Microplastics do so much damage to our bodies and the environment - they've recently been found in our bloodstream and the placentas of unborn babies. Imagine what that does to their fetal development!
But that doesn't mean all chemicals are bad for you, or GMOs are dangerous, or vaccines kill, etc. I wish humans weren't so inclined to take such huge cognitive leaps.
I feel bad for her, all the woo woo health stuff is probably bc she has had a really hard time with her Womens health issues. (which are just really hard to treat no matter what)😢
The thing is (speaking as someone with female reproductive issues myself) the diet she's talking about is traditionally the absolute worst thing you can do.
I've heard anecdotal evidence (extreme right wingers usually) that talk about things like their lupus and fibromyalgia being cured by going carnivore. Haven't really seen any conniving studies on it though.
I really hope she finds herself again. I think the cancellation and drama really broke her. She's become one of those stand for nothing, fall for anything type of people. It's really quite sad when you think of the strength of personality she used to project. She claims she's happier now, I hope that's true. From the outside it just looks like self delusion.
I don't. She accused a young man of an absolutely horrific thing that still follows him. She deserves misery for ruining his reputation.
What I wouldn’t give these days to see an influencer make a video about their diet and it’s just about … balance 😂. Sensible choices that aren’t obsessive, are realistic, and possible to maintain over the long term.
YEPP
@@angelikamakeup Make one of yours! 🥳
You totally hit the nail on the head about mom reading conspiracy theories online and sending them to do. And yeah, it's just so weird. Her going on diets is like the friend that you have who is constantly dieting but every time you see them, it's a different diet . One week it's the cabbage soup diet, the next week is vegan... it's too bad that other people out there will believe her.
That was my step mom when I was younger! The cabbage soup diet!!!! Ahhhh...the house smelled awful for about 2 weeks then she moved on to some other fad. It was sad to see because of course at first she would drop a few lbs but they weren't sustainable so of course she would "cheat" with foods not specific to the diet then blame herself and then the cycle started again. I tried telling her that her "cheating" on the diet was probably her body telling her it was lacking something and literally begging for certain things that she wasn't ingesting. Thankfully she has been healthy for years now and loves her body, eating a healthy diet while still allowing herself to eat not so healthy foods just because she likes them and enjoying her relationship with both food and her own body.
I just wanna say that I’m really enjoying this longer form content you’ve been doing. Great work Angelika!
Is she still trying to get pregnant? I'm wondering if all her pseudoscience about chemicals in the body stems from a desperation to have a baby. Does she think that if she changes her diet, gets rid of all these possible chemicals and hormones, she'll be healthy enough to conceive? I might be totally off about her motivation here, but it honestly sounds like it. Like she's grasping at any chance to get pregnant. If that's the case.. I feel really sorry for her, but she needs to stop spreading misinformation.
Edit: Ah! You did bring that topic up at the end.
Just as a side note: putting raw eggs into coffee is actually a very popular drink in parts of Asia, so as weird as it sounds it is a pretty common thing to do in some places, though I guess it is more for the taste than getting extra protein.
we do this too in the caribbean! in puerto rico we call it a "ponche de huevo"
Arent the eggs in asia safe to eat raw tho ? I dont think the usa caught up to that
Yolks only though. Salmonella lives in the egg white.
asia has a market of eggs that are safe to consume raw, she’s not doing it safely
@@bluebeesmarple oh interesting! I didnt know about that, do you know what they do differently to make the eggs safe to eat?
SHES IN A CULT ? Like being friends with jeffree star and James again ? they’re pretty much a cult
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100% stress will prevent a baby. I have an anxiety disorder. It took me years to get pregnant. Anxiety is enough to stop my periods. No period = no baby (for me at least). Plus Anxiety caused me not to eat (too nervous, not hungry) and being underweight also hinders pregnancy.
I remember a video of hers about her endometriosis and how she deals with it- she might’ve gone down that path out of pure helplessness with her body.
I’ve always been a fan of Tati and supported everything she did and took most of her beauty and health advice because I used to love her so much. When she disappeared and took a break after the drama, I kept going back to her youtube channel JUST IN CASE she uploaded again because she just felt so comfortable. And then… when she came back, I was only able to watch two videos before I felt like something about her wasn’t the same anymore and something wasn’t genuine or real. 🤷🏻♀️ It’s sad to see where she was and where she is now. I hope she finds her way back.
I love how she talks about how we were ‘made’ to eat meat, but eats dairy at the same time- babe that stuff is made produced by mother cows to feed their babies, not for you, in the same way that human breast milk is made to feed our babies. There’s a reason that lactose is the most common intolerance in the world, and it’s because we, as humans are not meant to eat it. It’s not ‘natural’.
Tati is the person who got me into makeup, she taught me how to do my makeup, she inspired my self expression and she taught me 99% of what I know about skincare and makeup. I love Tati so so so much. I think we have all made mistakes in life and even during her cash grabs she never scammed or harmed anyone. I have the upmost respect for Tati.
Me too, I don’t think she ever means to harm anyone
@@PaolaEP it doesn't matter if you mean to harm people if you harm people, the intention doesn't matter
@@hashtagmate it does, because it’s what’s the difference between a gullible person and an malicious Asshole.
I went through something similar in my life with my autoimmune disease, I thought everything was trying to kill me. I hope she gets off the internet diagnosis merry go round and just lets herself live again. I feel bad for her because I know how this cycle of crazy starts, it’s from feeling a lack of control
oh my god, the mom example with the anti-vax theories... I felt that
Yeah I unfollowed her as soon as I finished watching that diet video. I have zero tolerance for people that spread ideas about health that have zero science or peer reviewed research to back it up to massive followings, especially when those followings have largely younger and impressionable fanbases. I agree with your comments toward the end about this possibly being a sort of trauma response to her infertility/etc, but of course we can't diagnose her with anything as that's between her and her mental health professionals (if she's seeing any). But her whole vibe lately has been off and this was the final straw for me.
As someone who has celiac's, I do get brain fog when I get glutened, but that's all the "brain issue" that I get. Also, gluten isn't bad for you if you aren't sensitive to it or have celiac's. I want to add, raw eggs with their bacteria are safer than fast food, in her opinion????
I keep editing cause I have so many thoughts, but she doesn't care if s company is an MLM? It's a very abusive system and that, for me at least, is enough of a reason to not support that company; even if the product is good.
I get where you're coming from but as a person in the scientific field the use of Glyphosates have been studied and found to cause problems in people that consume elevate levels of it (this includes working with it or living near places that use it extensively). Microplastics are of real concern and shouldn't be brushed under the rug doesn't matter what you believe in (or you plotical position) when the deepest parts of the ocean (that have been surveyed) and the highest altitudes on earth can still produce contaminated samples something is wrong. When plastic can be found in people's bloodstream and in the placenta of women who have given birth, that is a concern. When plastic or other extensively used chemicals are found to have negative effects on the endocrine system of living thingsand are effectively unavoidable, it shouldn't be listed of as a cultish belief but rather something more research should be done on. And for solutions to the created problems to be found.
There are studies on these things. And people can choose to research things at their own depression just remember that most studies will only be funded if they can be found to be beneficial or profitable unless the researcher funds it themselves. There's a reason some scientific techniques are wide spread and others are not (bacterial control using viruses is a good example of lack of funding meaning lack or results in an extremely useful resource).
did you really associate eating meat with being in a cult??
I wonder if she thinks veganism is a cult.
@@missbriteyes22 honestly though ..it seems like she may...
i clicked on this because i was intrigued thar a TH-camr "saw what i saw" goin on with Tati...she does give off heavy MLM/scientology vibes now...but then shes goin on about eating meat being a sign of a cult?? and i was like "ehhh nope.."
@@TellyVangelist I hope she isn't into scientology.😭 I saw the video where she was recommending an MLM brand and that surprised me a little...
Honestly as someone who has chronic illnesses and immunocompromised I do get them wried diets. The biggest thing you learn when sick and trying to get your body functioning or it a baseline is lifestyle especially food. While to some it might seem strange its not. Equally it can send you to one extreme to the next.
Ok. She is not wrong about the WATER. The US has a clean water crisis and there is a database that shows what is in your water. I looked into it when a neighboring town released a statement that there was a high amount of radium in their water and that you shouldn't drink their tap water without a reverse osmosis filter. SE Kansas cannot be the only place with dangerous water
i dont mean this in a negative way but Seattle and L.A at very similar politically. Both Calfornia and Washington are historically liberal states. i know American politics is very confusing so I hope this helps : )
Thank you!
Seattle is actually very progressive for being in a state like Washington I agree! I’ve been and there were pride parades and churches with words like protect Muslims etc so I don’t think the mentality is insanely different from LA ;) I heard angelika mention Texas? Not sure but if Tati did move there that’s where the different mindsets would come in 😂😅
As someone who studies these kind of pipelines, you’re absolutely right when you make that association to the alt-right in the end of the video, that’s exactly the vibe I get too. I recommend listening to a podcast episode called “The Wellness to QAnon Pipeline”, by Maintenance Phase!
She gives me the energy that she reads things on the internet and takes them as gospel :(
I loved the discussion at the end of the video. It's a very mature and realistic take, I hope Tati is okay.
Microplastics are 100% real, and there is absolutely science on it. The brain and gut are very much linked.. your gut health definitely influences your brain health
i’ve been loving all the Angelika content across all of your channels latelyyyy!
ugh i missed you so much angelika!!!! thank you for the long deep dive 💞💞💞💞 i hope you’ve been well
💗💗💗
I want to preface my comment about Tati’s new mindset with an industry bias I have from working in molecular pathology and having a neuroscience degree so I’m not blindly going ‘do you girl!’… but finding a diet that works for you can be like finding the answer that was hiding in plain sight in terms of improving your own quality of life, and being invested in the details about what you consume every day is one of the first steps to making better choices. A lot of the points she was elaborating on HAVE been scientifically explored and definitely not talking out of her ass. She never outright recommended that her choices are the best ones across the board or that not eating vegetables is the cure for PCOS or the secret to anti-aging or something. Sharing her experiences in a Q&A while making her reasoning clear and deferring to professionals for the information that she’s basing her choices off of is a more responsible way to discuss nuanced topics like diets, so I struggle with the idea that she’s pushing propaganda… especially she’s really not wrong about any of her anecdotes because she repeatedly makes it clear that she’s only speaking on her own experiences and wellness journeys are completely subjective. At the end of the day, I don’t think she should be scrutinized with such concern when she just shared what was making her feel better from an evidence-based perspective because people wanted to know. Also hindsight is always 20/20 so its definitely valid to think you had peaked x time ago and realize later that it wasn’t what you thought! (Side note: She’s not wrong about the connection between GI and neurological health, it has been heavily researched and proven that the digestive system and CNS play off of eachother. Additionally, being invested in vitamin and mineral bioavailability when changing your diet isn’t conspiratorial.)
I was looking for a comment like this! I have been in med school for over 4 years and I totally understood what she meant when talking about a few topics. Some might be controversial but I appreciate the way she says it's her opinion. To me she's not coming across as if she's stating these things as facts. Also, I don't even know why she's been so criticised about the raw egg thing... if it's quality eggs from a local farm especially or also if they've been pasteurised. My mom used to put one raw egg in my milk when I was little, it's not always a bad thing. Just because something seems out of the ordinary it doesn't mean it's automatically cult topics and sometimes we also should do a bit of SOLID research before labelling things.
So relieved to see an educated comment‼️👏👏
I’ve recently stumbled across this channel. The irony of Angelika having no more formal medical education than Tati but saying Tati spreads nutritional misinformation, followed by her own opinions of nutrition…
I just saw a video of Angelika slamming Jeffree Star for a number of reasons that seem valid but one of them being his products are environmentally unfriendly and wasteful, then in this video proceeds to recommend powder puffs.
Just an overall lack of self awareness. Also spreading misinformation about what being in a cult actually entails. This is an area I do have experience and education in. Caring about potentially dangerous chemicals in drinking water and changing from a vegan to more meat based diet, for personal reasons, does not signify cult practises. Tati has changed her spiritual beliefs, and this is the only issue raised that could indicate cult practice if, and it’s a big if, Angelika knew specifically what Tati’s new beliefs demand of her. Having to throw out tarot cards and crystals is pretty standard for most born again Christians. It’s not harmful to Tati’s mental and/or physical well-being.
I think she’s actually very respectful about sharing her journey and while emphasising its not a one size fits all tbh. I’m not into the religious side but she doesn’t share it much anyway.
@@kathleenellis2467 i don’t think she is. We can’t judge her for making these choices, people should have enough critical thinking to research their own diets.
exactly! I thought that maybe in the original video she talked more about religion and maybe that’s what Angelica was talking about but I saw the whole video and there was nothing weird about it, well that’s just my opinion but I really don’t understand what the big deal is about this?
I wasn’t aware of this makeup-centric channel of yours till now :3 I will be happily binging tonight
Angelika, Seattle is not in Texas! 😂 Also, she moved from Seattle (Washington blue state) to Texas which is a red state.
I still only use Lash Paradise mascara from L'Oreal, and I heard about it from Tati...
She’s in a cult?!?
I just started the video but I wouldn't be surprised.. she fell down a weird spiritual/religious path after her cancelation
@@karly.asshhh I think the original problem of all was infertility. This shit can really break people :(
@@lpoco0006 I feel sad for her, especially since she's 40, it's going to be even harder to conceive. Infertility in women and men is increasing, maybe it might be the environment.Quite a few TH-camrs have had fertility issues like Desi and FullyRawKristina
@@cocopepe9234 I also know a few personally and one had to go to a mental hospital :(
I've been waiting for someone to talk about this!
I love ur videos, theres not many cuts and u really say ur points well! i know for a fact i have to retake videos many times because im just not good at talking
You mentioned alot about how her diet isn't backed up by science however neither is being a vegetarian or any other type of diet out there! She's eating what she wants and she made a video saying what she eats, she isn't telling anyone to replicate her and even if she is it's a personal choice of theirs!
This is why people need to learn to talk to a nutritionist and/or allergist. We should not ever just go by what influencers are doing with their diets. Talk to a doctor you trust if you have concerns about your health or diet. I feel bad for Tati and what she has been going through trying to get pregnant but, she needs to be more careful with what she talks about on her channel.
Can you do a beginner friendly eyeshadow Tutorial? Like how to blend eyeshadows and brushes that you like?❤ Your makeup looks amazing ❤
I have too much drama in my own life so I've come here to hear someone else's, ultimate form of escapism.
I couldn’t agree more with you. I love Tati but I’m concerned by how much she feels the need to have complete control over everything in her life, especially in the « health » department. This might also be a case of orthorexia, which is actually considered an ED, where you start obsessing over nutrition, diet, health, etc.
She wasn’t wrong about if your stomach isn’t working right it affects the brain, because your brain needs glucose to function and if you’re not digesting those correctly it does affect the brain. I learned that in emergency medical school.
The gut brain connection is actually a very real thing there's been research on it for a while its genuinely very interesting and impacts a lot of people
She sprinkles in a lot of half truths which is the issue if you do a quick Google search you will see yes that's true so most will be like oh everything she said must be true very few will be thorough and make sure everything she says is true.
Gut microbiome is such a hot topic now in research since there is an enteric nervous system in the gut and they also found it’s potentially linked to dementia (ex. Alzheimer’s). But I feel like she did so little research and in science, everything is hypothetical except when it is actually going into clinical trials and actually seeing data. She went bit extreme tbh and I just skip parts where she goes into ingredients and stuff because I came to the channel to see makeup not other stuff
I remember the first post with jefree getting her dragged and people were like “wtf are you doing! He’s bad news!” And her just blocking everyone who had a negative thing to say about him/warning her. And then look what happened 🤷🏽♀️
I think she’s just in a new phase of life. She’s not pandering to fit in with the LA Lifestyle. She’s not buying things (bags, clothes, shoes) to keep up of fit in. I think she’s just getting to know this Tati. There was a two day period I talked of nothing but going to school for music (even though I knew since I was 9yo that I wanted to be a lawyer) music was/is a part of me, but not a career change part. Mindfulness encourages you to get to know yourself and know yourself at every phase. You might not like this phase, but we all grow and change.
I’ve lost my interest in her channel since she’s come back. You hit the nail on the head for me as to why I can’t watch her anymore. I wish her the best tho.
Exactly same
Tiny bumps might be fungal acne I can’t use a lot of oil based skincare with out it happening to me, but head and shoulders on my face for a few days clears it
Tati settled in her case against Without A Crystal Ball in exchange for information about Swanson - Emily D Baker has a lot of coverage about it.
just skimming through but there absolutely is scientific evidence connecting your gut to brain function. I had to read about it for a whole semester, look up gut-brain axis.
Tatis videos were a cornerstone of my makeup education growing up and it’s honestly been sad seeing her career go the way it went
Raw eggs in coffee is something my aunt and uncle used to have for breakfast when they would go to Italy to spend the summer with grandparents. This all being more than 50 years ago
But guys! Vietnamese egg coffee is like the best thing ever and I was extremely skeptical before I tried it but once I did i was like "this is the best thing ever" and I don't know whether its completely raw eggs.. actually I've no idea how they make it but they basically whip the egg to froth it up and this started during the war when milk was a shortage, I think. So they needed a substitute for milk since drinking a warm cup of coffee and unwinding is such a part of the culture in Vietnam. Anyways, off topic..... But Vietnamese egg coffee is the best thing ever and i really really hope that Tati drinks her coffee the Vietnamese way and not just by cracking an egg into her coffee cup and stirring it in.
100% (i love egg nog which is a similar vibe) but with everything else it’s a red flag! If she just drank it for the flavour i wouldn’t care but doing it for extra protein seems weird? because there are so many easier ways of getting protein and her whole diet is a red flag that this is just a segment of. I think in the context of her diet it’s a red flag but if you have a normal diet then I don’t care what you put in your coffee! x