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You're a massive Clown 🤡. What Yu-Gi-Oh actually needs is a reboot back to the old days. A completely fresh start to Cards that weren't so powerful that it's impossible to actually play the Game (Which is the point of the Game. You know? To be able to play it). Konami needs to reboot back towards an Edison-Style of Speed for the Game. No need to just tell people to go back and use older cards, but instead they should roll out new cards that are lower powered while banning the use of all of the overpowered Meta cards. Force people to use the Newer, but Depowered cards. More of a slower transition to a lower powercreep over time.
@@XSaberUruz The comment was still showing up on mobile for a bit, but I think he deleted it. Honestly it felt very AI written so you didn't miss much.
The game can’t even attract and bring in the next generation of kids. Kids today don’t care or even know what Yugioh is. The game is too complicated to get a 7 year old to understand it and not drop the game in anger and frustration like kids do. We are keeping the game alive but if Konami can’t bring in the next generation the game will inevitably die. Konami knows the game is bleeding that’s why they are trying to make Rush Duels appealing to kids.
I agree to a certain extent but I still see kids pick up the game. In fact a kid at my locals was building a pendulum deck 😂 but if anything Konami should support a more casual focused format that doesn't necessarily involve long combos so that it can help people integrate into the advanced format with a knowledge of the rules.
@@kevinlee5753 Goat is treated like it's for old people, when a simpler format allows you to understand basic rules that, even with XYZ and Links and Ash Blossom, those fundamental rules still apply
@thekittenfreakify Which is what Pachinkomoney wants in order to turn Yu-Gi-Oh! from a kids' game into the very thing Kazuki Takahashi was criticizing, Magic, a broken niche money pit for sweaty tryhards who pay to win and don't shower, which is why those 60 cards are wasting space on the banlist that basically as as a soft set rotation.
The most annoying thing about the community is when I express liking the game to be even slightly slower and people just assume I quit the game when synchros came out therefore my opinion is invalid. No, actually after not ever playing competitively and stopping playing for a few years I came back to the game more seriously with synchros. I proceeded to play all the way through xyz, jumping ship at pendulums. Then I came back again after whatever the current master rule revision we are on began. Even now, generally understanding the mechanic, pendulums are the only mechanic that I actively dislike on a conceptual level. My main problem with the game is that I like playing. I like being able to use my cards and unless my deck is 50% hand trap or board wipe I don't even get a chance to start using my cards. I like seeing different end boards, but it seems like every time I play it is nearly always the same 3 omni-negates with maybe 1 boss monster from whatever OP engine is currently able to combo off for 10 minutes at the time. I understand that my favorite archetype is trash, but it sure would be cool to have more than one turn these days. Or just my own turn, "our turn" decks are actually the most irritating thing I have ever seen. Every time I look at the meta I just get totally turned off of the game.
I've definitely been called a Yugiboomer for vocalizing a distaste for 5+ negate boards and the current form of "interaction" facilitated by hand traps. This is the thing that confuses me. Why do Yugioh players obsess over playing the game less? That idea might be confusing but hear me out. Most games end turn one. Either the then player establishes an unbreakable board or the non turn player shuts your turn one hard enough that you're forced to stop, and if the non turn player has enough gas, they just kill you then and there on their first turn. Maybe more effects get thrown around, and maybe both players can (potentially, depening on if you draw any going second) play on both turns, but when you really look at it, there isn't a game duration; there is no real progression of gamestate that matters, the game is a Boolean. Either you win turn one or you lose. This is the harsh truth of most games if Yugioh in this era, and while Yugioh players generally can tolerate this boolean function, "yugiboomers" don't. Mind that term can be used to functionally discredit anyone--inculding newbie players and mark them as not true "fans" or "players". Let me make it clear to any of the people who would lable me a YugiBoomer, i'm one of the sickos who likes Ishizu Tear format. Yes, i like that deck and the format it makes. Yu-Gi-Oh is a bad game. Its okay to like bad things. One of my favorite movies is unironically The Bee Movie. But call a spade a spade; when a game that is traditionally aimed at children requires college level reading and comprehension skills to properly understand, and requires you to re-read that card and its effects constantly to ensure you are properly responding, is a bad card game. You should be able to read the core rules, pick up a deck, and get playing pretty easily. The game should be accessable to people other than you.
My issue with the game is that my opponent plays solitaire for 10 mins during their turn another 5 mins during mine…And the deck options are too limited if you want to actually win. Having to play the same thing as everyone else is trash. Konami needs to hear this stuff.
I 100% agree with you. Konami has an extremely aggressive vertical growth model for the game vs a horizontal one. It's not about profit through variety and different strategies, it's about aggressively and constantly replacing previous sets with stronger and better ones. It's a perfect recipe for something to eventually die and I think it shows the company is desperate. As far as the rest, like the game feeling like you're playing solitaire, I also agree. Thanks for watching
@@XSaberUruz In the end they only have two choices in that matter. They are a company, so in order to stay in business which allows them to hold tournaments and make new sets every new set needs to be sold at least some amount to make the required profit. Now if you have a powerful tournament winning deck, why would you buy the cards from the next set? It's either a) because they are more powerful (skull red bird -> la djinn -> tearlaments) or b) because you play for tournament prizes and the format played at high prized tournaments has hard set rotation meaning you will not be allowed to play that same deck in the future. If you are playing at regionals or world championship those two are basically the same (power creep from one set to the next is the whole frog in a slowly heating pot thing) but if you play casually or at locals, that could hold non rotating events even when main format has rotation), then the difference is that when option b is used then once you have a powerful deck it is more likely to stay powerful in the non rotating format that you play there, yes in a rotation format the company can still have power creep but at that point it is a choice from the devs since they don't need to.
@@STEPHxCA of course you can play on your opponents turn in MTG, that's what instants are for. I haven't played much of it the last 2 years but afaik there is nothing in standard that can pop off in the first few turns, and the eternal formats that have turn 1 combo decks also have cards like mental misstep and force of will etc. that allow you to counter your opponent in their turn 1. And one of the most important things is that there was once a deck nicknamed eggs, which would have their combo turn take possibly half an hour to an hour depending on draws etc. And while the deck wasn't a problem due to being more powerful than the other options it was banned simply for wasting your opponents time. And of the remaining combo decks the longest turns go to storm which will play a whole 10 cards, made up of draw spells and stuff that gives you temporary mana, and that also only takes about 3-5 minutes. If ygo turn 1s ended on the same board without you being able to watch the entire director's cut of lotr during a single turn then I assume there would be a lot less complaints. Yes I know that is a over exaggerated, still takes way to long.
As much as I'd like to play Yu-Gi-Oh I can't really bring myself to play when the TCG messes with the rarity of cards in sets, fills in predominantly useless TCG exclusives that do nothing to shake up the meta at large. The tier 0 meta wouldn't be nearly as unbearable if the cards were printed like OCG cards where you could get the vast majority of cards in the set with a single 150 card box, which makes cards far cheaper due to the volume of access for all of the cards. Because TCG bumps rarity of cards, it makes deck building abysmally expensive alongside how much wasted paper and wrapping is produced because of how small the pool of commons is compared to the number printed per pack. I shared similar experiences of some players wanting me to hurry up because I wasn't familiar with their cards and I understand they are in a hurry, the time rules are poorly designed which doesn't give time to play out games and end of time procedures are blue ball inducing. Most people are chill with off meta decks and like to see them, though others can get quite salty that their rogue deck is losing to your untiered deck. TCG Konami has no incentive to change when a large part of the playerbase is to entrenched in the game and have no perspective for any other tcg to see how good other games have it compared to Yu-Gi-Oh. It'd be nice if Konami were to do reprint sets dedicated to older formats where it was fresh cardboard and sleek new arts and/or clean rarities to promote other formats. They'd make a killing and draw players into the game without having to rely on the modern format's success as much. Unfortunately, this isn't happening as even OCG hasn't shown any signs of producing such product. Honestly, I could live with this game dying and being buried into the ground, but the playerbase is too fanatical to let Konami kill off the franchise.
14:49 I feel the passion in your Rant. This is why I made an AI to help ALL duelists understand the game. The AI does not judge. The community is harsh sometimes, but we have great people and technology that want to help.
It really doesn't help when big Yugioh content creators keep the "haha boomer can't read" memes alive and make fun of people who don't like the current direction of the game. It does make them feel like elitists, like there's only a narrow spectrum of acceptable conversation and if you fall out of that, you're a boomer and your opinion can be disregarded, even if you've been playing the game for longer than them and you understand how intricate it is, but don't think it being so intricate and complex and fast is good for the long term health of the game.
@@LookingForTheTop 100% and I also think a lot of them are leaning in to the meme/pandering. They probably should realize that most people don’t play the game for a living like them… they have kids, long work hours, other hobbies. Its a lot to ask someone to both pick up and keep up with the current game. Not calling any one channel out in particular, but I agree with your general sentiment.
I agree with you, there's a reduction of old players' viewpoints towards they don't know how the game is played nowadays, when in reality there's a lot of players who understand and dislike it compared to a slower format. I personally think the current card complexity doesn't introduce enough depth to warrant itself, and that this both makes games take longer while making it harder to follow along for casuals. Also, pleasantly surprised to see you here @LookingForTheTop. I really enjoyed your Dark Signer series and your numerous attempts to do something with Fortune Ladies with Brilliant Fusion.
I like the opposite of that meme. Shows a small books worth of text on a children's card game card. Would you read this? Would you read this and actually absorb its information for a million dollars? Me either.
@@soup6924 Thank you, that was such a long time ago haha Now I've been trying out Yugi decks and been stuck trying to make something out of Dark Magician ^^
OMG it's YOU !!!!!! i have not seen you in a long time tho im on a alt account, i saw you some years ago before COVID actually in the comments, Great to see you man !
During Covid, I took a break from the game and just kept updating my decks and following the news about new cards. I enjoyed building my decks and talking about the card game, but I get a sinking feeling in my stomach when I have dueled lately. The last duel I had was against a Yubel Fiendsmith player and he was super nice, but it was such a bad experience. This game just isn't fun anymore, and I don't have the same sense of excitement that I had when I dueled before Covid. Konami is releasing new Speedroid cards a week before my birthday for crying out loud, but I just can't get excited. There isn't a game like Yu-Gi-Oh that I can jump into and enjoy. I want to find any reason to un-quit the game and come back, but as it is now, this game hurts to think about and maybe no Yu-Gi-Oh is better than current Yu-Gi-Oh for me.
People are just not self aware enough to be kind these days. In this example people don't understand that they will be ''old'' by their definition one day not that long from now.
I've been suggesting the same thing on Yugituber videos. There should be a reboot of the Yu-Gi-Oh anime which follows closely to Takahashi's Manga. Young adults as it's target audience. Keeping true to its dark and grim art style. For the tcg, it should be rebooted and revamped. Restart from scratch. Konami's main focus for the tcg should be keeping the game balanced, well-paced and healthy. Maybe include an inbuilt resource system? It should be affordable for everyone. Make the game truly about skill rather than pay to win and "luck." That's my opinion anyways.
@AWBM1993 The TCG has already been rebooted twice, so Rush Duel is the third strike for Konami-made Yu-Gi-Oh!; the manga doesn't have a mana system, so a "Yu-Gi-Oh! Crystal/Brotherhood" anime would have to advertise the game we have; and if you want a completely new game with Yu-Gi-Oh! characters and a mana system, the reboot game needs to be taken away from Konami and given back to Bandai, who made the beta card game and is now the leading name in making new card games for Shonen Jump properties, so it would be a homecoming for Yugi and friends to reunite with Goku, Luffy, and the whole SJ gang.
Great video btw. I honestly feel this with Master Duel as well. Its a cool outlet to play the game on my own as my locals have abandoned Yugioh completely. Though, everything about its design is hyper focused on min-maxing and competitive play at the highest level. Unless you're grinding the ranked ladder or pulling packs to use on ranked, or competing in the Duelist Cup, there's no reason to play the game really. Nearly 3 years in and there isn't a new format or mode for players who don't care for where the modern game is, or people who just want to play Yugioh to relax.
I believe that this game has two main audiences, the meta/tournaments one and the chill and have fun one, 15 years ago it was the same, it's better to play in small groups of friends, if you don't focus on the meta the game is actually very fun, rouge decks are the best.
I got my first Kaiba Starter Deck at age 11 years old, loved playing with friends and stopped playing after 5D's peak. I really tried to get back into it recently but bro... I just couldn't, the game has changed from the Yu-Gi-Oh me and my friends once loved. Now I just moved on to Battle Spirits, Cardfight Vanguard, Digimon,Duel Masters, and when Yu-Gi-Oh Rush Duels came out I'm really excited its simple easy to learn and the flow is so much better. BUT I'm at the point of making my own card game with old school Yu-Gi-Oh aspects. Overall if no one is going find a solution to this problem, you just gotta do it yourself.
I know this is a bit off topic, but there's something satisfying about Konami giving us that 'Early Days' collection. It almost feels like an acknowledgement of the more 'Yugiboomer' crowd and that they know we're still very much here. How well that collection sells is going to be very interesting.
It feels like half the community really thinks they're Kaiba or some shit with how they talk to people. I play Pokemon and Magic as well and they're both way nicer and more welcoming imo.
I'm firmly in the camp "still hangs around the community but doesn't play the game" since I mostly watch content creator's wacky draft series and sometimes listen to what's happening in the competitive scene. I tried duel links because of rush but quit after realizing how tiring it is to keep up with stuff even if I'm only playing rush without spending that much money (I bought the 3rd copy of the ultimate flag structure with real money). I guess I learned way too much stuff about this game and can't just abandon and forget everything on a whim, but playing the game in the state that it is (rarity distributions on both physical and digital, game speed and complexity, balancing or lack thereof) just isn't appealing to me anymore)
Personally I think they should reboot the franchise with a rotating set, while the current sets could be considered "Unlimited". The new rotation should introduce archetypes that are old favorites like Dark, Magician, Blue-Eyes, Red-Eyes, Heroes etc (that will sell like crazy), but don't include new support for those archetypes that makes them too broken/complex. I think power level of archetypes should drop to around the Synchro/XYZ era, since it won't be too complex for DM yugiboomers, while people used to current yugioh can still pull off combos, although much more limited. Limiting the power level should also limit card text, add to the rules that all card effects are considered hard OPT, so we can save text by not printing lines such as "_ can be used only once per turn", "This card's 2nd and 3rd effect can be used only once per turn" etc. This is crucial for helping newer players get an easier understanding of their decks, no new player should read walls of text for a deck they might not even like in the end. The quicker you get someone to try and vibe with a deck, the better the chance they're staying. As for older cards that have such text, let them be played in Unlimited, while only cards from the new set should be legal in the reboot. But what about Rush Duel? Yea what about it, it's OCG only and honestly, it won't sell as good as an actual reboot of the card game focused on reliving the old days. Rush Duel can still exist of course, but the way its played is completely different from what most grew up with, or what current players play with, so it should stay as a spin off for the original game. But they can definitely take all the good ideas from Rush Duel like how text is written in a card and apply it to the new reboot. Make a reboot of the original anime (this will help promote the reboot of the card game like crazy), but with a new story set after the events of DSOD, since if we do a straight reboot most of the early battles will be set pass snoozefests and won't actually align with the format we're playing. Setting the anime after DSOD helps give other characters their own archetypes like Tristan, or just fleshing out new ideas like Tea and her magician girls. This also introduces a chance for them to retrain cards like Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes, finally giving them effects. This will make those old vanillas not be actual bricks in hand, which will help card design in the future. Now these are just some of my ideas, I know most won't like them, but this is how I feel about what Konami should do if they wanna revitalize the game, as well as make a boatload of money. Even if they do something similar to my idea, there's no guarantee the new format won't end up powercrept as well, so everything is still ultimately in their hands.
Honestly, I mainly stopped really playing the TCG in a competitive fashion(I still play and go to locals every now and then but not as seriously as I once did) for a year or two now as to me the game has devolved more into "How can I prevent my opponent from playing" while also have to have to combat it as a the whole "My opponent can turn off everything I have so I should bring things to counter the counters in their hand so I can play" which takes out the skill from, a lot of the game. There's not really a good back and fourth to the game anymore and it honestly upsets me at the people who are trying to defend the toxic playstate of the current game, like people really want to defend snake-eyes not really getting hit when Linkuriboh gets banned in a similar situation to needlefiber(where it was good in a meta deck but instead of hitting the meta deck hit the generic)? That's a bit as to why I gravitated towards rush duels as much as I did as for the longest time in the format the back and fourth was brought back and even in some case could capture the shock and awe of having a built in way to make sure you could always try to make a comeback with the new draw rules. I love this franchise to death but I can't see the TCG being genuinely fun until certain actions are made in it. I didn't start playing the game back then and will admit I didn't really play much until end of Arc-V era into vrains but I was into the property since I was a lil dudette with Bakura and Jack Atlas being some of my favorite characters since I watched the anime for the first time many years ago. My point being I love this franchise to death and I hate how toxic minded some of the fanbase new and Old have adopted when it come to the modern form of the game, To anyone who hasn't, Please give rush a chance it has alot of potential and GO Rush contains one of the best Arcs in Yugioh towards its middle to second half, Please be open minded and just give rush a chance!
The funny thing is, it's not the minority that's complaining, it's the majority that quit. For statistics numbers when dueing network was at it's peak, it averaged 10 k players online through out the majority of the day. Which is actually AMAZING numbers for a third party app with no animations. this was a third party fan made app. Now it's copy is lucky to even hit 2 k. Master duel a first party app, averages around 21 k player base on steam charts at it's peak it hit 260 k when it first released. So basicaly 260 thousand people who genuinely find yu gi oh a interesting idea joined master duel and only 21 k stayed. Roughly 8 percent stayed. 92 percent of the player base said "fuck this shit, old yu gi oh was more fun" So people really need to stop throwing around the term "yugi boomer" I am literally ranked master on master duel and have done well at in person yu gi oh events, modern yu gi oh is literally just summon 5 omni negates in one turn and pray your opponent doesn't have the one single card that can fuck you over. Hard for me to call that skill. It's just memorize your decks combo and pass turn. Even pro players meme about it.
3:46 Isn't there a joke/meme about yu-gi-oh! players never reading their cards? Where do these guys get off claiming you don't know how to play or are stupid when they can't even be bothered to read.
I actually HATE the idea of "Skill" in modern Yu-gi-oh. They claim you aren't smart or skilled enough but the modern game isn't about skill or intellect. It is all about memory and knowledge checks. Do you remember the order to use your cards? and Do you know which piece of the enemy deck your should stop? And obviously RNG has always been a part of the game, but now days not drawing the right Hand Trap is just game over on turn ONE. Which feels less bad than before. I personally think something between 5D's and Zexal Eras would be a perfect speed. Not too fast you are playing your whole deck in a single turn, but not so slow that it feels like a slog.
Yeah. You're going second, but didn't start with Ash, Maxx C, or Imperm in Master Duel? GG go next. And obviously those aren't the _only_ viable handtraps in modern Yugioh, but the same sentiment applies regardless of whichever one is brought up. Stuff 9 - 15 interrupts/board breakers in your deck, and hope your opening hand has the right one against the deck your facing.
Many people have said that, none were actually able to prove it true by example. Some decks do have crutial choke points, but do you think at the highest level of the game people actually think "well, if I get impermed here, I lose I guess" when building decks? Maybe the issue is in you and decks you play? I suggest trying out Unchained or something similar that is good to compete and has high skill ceiling. Then tell me if the game is about skill or just knowledge.
@@kindlingkingPeople at the highest level of the game have literally said "well, if I get (x) here, I lose I guess", you're not telling me professional Duelists would lie to TH-cam, are you?
@@autobotstarscream765 they don't literally lose to specific card at specific point with no way around it and more importantly they make a conscious choice when they pick up decks that have this sort of weakness. You know Nibiru? Do you actually think every combo deck just accepts losing to Nibiru at the first choke point? No, most have Nibiru proof combos or back up lines if you get Nibbed. Whether to go for weaker line but play around nib or risk it by getting all in is a choice you have to make. I'm telling you, go play a real deck. Something resilient enough to not lose to one Ash and with good grind game. There a countless strong decks that require active decision making instead of just following basic combo lines.
The YGO community conversation is so real, the card shop near me luckily have the nice people (Like myself) who will donate cards to new players, or if a player isnt as good we will give them advice and beef their deck up. The online YGO community however, is basically 4chan 2.0
Yugi boomer here. Stopped playing around the DM era/battle city and got back into it in 2020. In spite of the game’s flaws, 1 reason why yugi boomers dont get into the modern game is because they’re not willing to approach the game on its level. Getting back into YGO and modern day pkmn tcg showed me that games change over time but if you’re willing to drop your preconceived notions of how a game should be and meet it where it’s at you can actually have a lot of fun. Another reason is that yugi boomers haven’t watched the modern anime. Ain’t no way you can watch Playmaker in Vrains summon Accesscode Talker *under a floodgate* then proceed to break AI’s board and tell me that wasn’t badass 😂
It's not the same game. Modern YGO and Oldschool YGO may as well be entirely different card games; they don't play the same at all. The skillset required to be good in each is different, the way you have to think about the game is different, and I would say that there is very little crossover which, where it is present, is only at the basic fundamental rules of the game level. Yugioh is not appealing in the direction it's going. There is a reason Time Wizard events are becoming more common and popular. I can play multiple competitive GOAT decks for the cost of half a meta deck nowadays.
“Drop your preconceived notions” You mean just accept it’s a different game. Fundamentally its core mechanics have changed into something completely different And “modern” anime? You realize VRAINS ended over 4 years ago and there will never be another real anime because the game is too far gone right? It is literally impossible to make an anime centered around playing the game as it plays right now in the year 2024 This is coming from someone who has played consistently from 2015-2017 and 2020 to present and as a big VRAINS fan. You people just don’t get it, you don’t know how to take a step back from the picture and look at the whole view. You only know how to tunnel vision into very niche parts and can’t understand why it isn’t appealing to the general public
It's a pretty polarizing opinion, but I think a lot of people didn't quite get where I was coming from or maybe I didn't do the best job of explaining every single detail in that one video, and most people didn't watch part 2. Thanks for watching
That was kind of the idea behind Kushen format, separates cards in different tiers. There are also other formats that do this, they're just not very popular or most people have no idea they exist since they are not actively promoted. Everyone just knows about GOAT and Edison for the most part.
I got to master 1 in master duel but i fully understand the yugiboomer perspective and consider myself one too. This game is not friendly to casuals, the way it used to be. Its not a game that kids and teens can get into easily anymore, the tcg is very predatory with their high priced rarity prints and no prizing. The number of people who dismiss the yugiboomer complaints is a problem cuz they are out of touch with how normal, casual enjoyers feel
While I’ve tried to keep up with the summoning mechanics, I am a casual through and through. I much prefer using archetypes that aren’t bogged down with essay levels of reading like Digital Bug or Dinomist. Both those archetypes are certainly not the meta, yet I still prefer them to some of the archetypes that have walls of text. Seriously, there is sort of a meme where prior to rush duels, the latest cards had literal walls of text because they had like ten different effects. I’m probably exaggerating a little on the number of effects each monster was having, but I know for a fact that prior to the introduction of Rush Duels, you couldn’t go two websites before hearing something about how the latest cards had walls of text.
the ygo community is vary "toxic" i rather use a much harsh word. when i was about 10-13, i played on dueling nexus with my Vary much "playground" yugioh deck, i got shit on not only in the game (i lost but i wanted to improve) but in the chat and in the forums, i had a guy plead with me to use another deck and throw his whole deck in the GY and wanted me to net deck him. i had a guy tell me that my deck was shit and that i need to throw away my hopes and dream of using the type of deck i wanted to use, i would ask what card do i need to make my deck better and the response i would get is "throw it all away and play meta" "your deck is shit play this unrelated deck" back a year ago, i was making my stardust deck (i never gave up my hope nor my dreams) so i joined this yugi tuber's discord, his fan who "love synchro" told me everything I've hard they did not help me make a pure stardust deck instead they got the yugi tuber to join in and laugh. EVERY DECK i have Built, comes form a lonely road.
I agree with the end of the video. The players can be so elitist Taking a break for a short period of time you feel so far behind, and players are fucking brutal Nobody is about playing a game to have fun. It’s all sweats who ONLY play Yugioh. No other hobbies, they put in hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into a game that just continues to screw them over It’s all cliques and high school bullshit. Like alright dude, you can be king of the shit mountain who loses to a single Ash Blossom the next game lol
The duality of a modern yugioh player: They tell people older than them to not play the game anymore, but start cheering loud as fuck when an old guy wins with Exodia in a tournament.
Yugi boomers get shunned from the conversation because it's the exact same talking points that they've had since Pendulums released. It's always: "Game too fast" "solitaire" "Combo bad!" Hard to swallow pill: We are further away from pendulum format today than when pendulum format was to GOAT when it first got released. You have no excuse because the game has been like this for years and it's not changing. If you dislike the modern format, that's fine. It's not for everyone. Give GOAT or Edison a try or even TOSS if you want to dip your toes into something more fast paced. Those are popular formats for people who are disgruntled with modern Yugioh.
And they are. GOAT and Edison, as well as older formats like HAT and D.Ruler are growing in general because the game was just more fun back then. The game IS too fast, 10 minute turns ARE boring, losing to combo decks feels like you just didn't have the out/is frustrating, winning with combo decks isn't satisfying as you often just made a turn one board your opponent couldn't counter because they didn't have the out, and the game is WAY too expensive. These are real critiques and Konami and modern YGO can either listen or continue to die out. I played YGO through to Pendulums (which 100% killed the game imo) and have tried a few of the formats in the Link era with absolutely no enjoyment from any of them. I'm glad people can enjoy the modern format. If all the things you listed are your thing, great, but the general discourse around YGO, from all aspects of the community, has been negative for a while. It's clear that change has to be made.
@@Voupes Okay, but what is the refutation to those points? Are we denying that the game has gotten progressively faster as time has gone on? Surely there is a middle ground between 15 turns of vanilla beat down 1-for-1 trades and 3 turns of "combo off so hard turn 1 that all your opponent can do is pass turn to get absolutely nuked." Are we just ignoring that if my deck isn't nearly 50% hand trap/board breaker and I don't get precisely the right ones I am going to watch solitaire? "Combo bad" is an extension of the solitaire critique. Modern combos are long and tedious to sit through, almost always ending on relatively homogenous generic end boards no matter what deck I play against. This is exactly the problem. You, like many others, clearly just get annoyed by the critiques instead of digging into what is actually behind them. You like the game as it is, which is perfectly fine, but you just seem unwilling to actually discuss what people have issues with.
Unfortunately konami is feeding a vicious circle of printing broken cards then later banning them. Leaving the game stale with one turn kills. It's either use the meta or die. If the new School players are ok with being used or taken advantage of then more power to them
I think it shows the company is desperate and squeezing the last drops off the lemon, idk that's just my feeling. Exactly what you said, they make a broken set, wait for it to sell, then ban it. Rinse and repeat.
Boycotting a format is like trying to boycott the new Call of Duty. I won't say change is impossible. Take a look a how much money EA is hemorrhaging. But there will always be ppl who will buy the new sports game with all the microtransactions that come with it, to stay relevant. same way there will always be ppl that will eat up anything konami serves up so they can feel good about themselves and win a dumb tournament at the cost of the game as a whole
Once again I can not argue with all the facts you are speaking here. Yes I would be a Yugi Boomer since I started in the DM era. Yes Konami really needs to listen to the western market as well. Glad you are speaking out and being a voice for the other YGO players who do not agree with the current way Konami is running the game and IP.
I don't hate yugioh by the way. Meaning, I legitimately would like to play it but I literally can't do the learning curve. So it's like wanting to love someone who is just waaaaay too much of a handful. I last played when pendulums were introduced along with being a yugiboomer.
Yeah I feel you. I play the current game, but I'll be the first to admit it's overly complicated as game. I took a 2 month break, got back in to it yesterday, and am playing basically the same deck. Even then, I was still having to relearn how most of my cards work, because it's just so much information it's like... I have real crap to remember, like work related stuff, not this lol. I was able to get back in to playing, but it took a good 2h just re-reading my cards
Halfway through the video I paid attention to the visuals for a moment and saw someone draw 5 cards in the draw phase. Rush Duel is nuch more different than I expected 😅
I would be one as such all tho i am mainly anime oriented towards yugioh I am much less on-game tho i played classic triology when you could inport mods and collect around 700+ cards for me that was fun but souly because it was simple and streight foward About anime i mostly liked maturity that yugioh did show to us as we were kids 5ds when i saw i completely fallen in love with it almost like they made a complete upgrade from og ygo dual kingdoms to another futuristic masterpeace not to say that DK had bad things for me GX kinda did a little bit worse but still yea it was enjoyable When Zexal came out this is where i kind-off fell off and from there maturity was completely reversed from darker themes to lighter from audiance around 20 to audience that mostly will question series even if they are around 10 After Zexal Yugioh just lost passion and sadly it became much more generic thus killing classic mainstream media
Honestly last games I did of yugioh just made me feel miserable, Additionally, You cant even discuss with the community they'll dismiss everything you say they dont agree with
I'm probably one of the few who jumped into this game recently that has actually stuck with it (I never touched Yugioh before 2021), and I'm one of the few in this community that thinks the future of this game lies in stuff like alternative formats and anime like "Yugioh the Chronicles" as opposed to GOAT/Edison style gameplay and Duel Monsters nostalgia. I'm admittedly an outlier and an outspoken contrarian, and I obviously have a personal interest in wanting others to play the modern game considering I love this game for what it is and its one of the few things i like to make videos on in my free time. (God, its insane how far i've come since my awful Pot of Greed video) But despite my bias towards the modern game, even I have to admit that this community is awful about taking criticism. Like, I don't agree with what a lot of people say either and I can understand gatekeeping in the context of trying to keep people from changing what you like about modern Yugioh (either that or because you're sponsored by Konami and can't bite the hand that feeds you). I'm also in a rather unique position considering i've been massively wrong before regarding a topic on this game, and I know what its like to shoulder a lot of criticism. But even so, people in this community need to be willing to look at shit on a case-by-case basis and consider whether or not peoples' suggestions have any weight. Like, i'm 110% on board with implementing keywords on cards for example. Its genuinely insane that every card has a paragraph. But I can't get on board with stuff like special summon limits or what have you, it'd break so many rogue decks. Like, you all saw what Junior Format did to this game's card pool when MBT and Luke Von Karma went about exploring that. Sky Striker and Monarchs were literally unplayable in that format. If i had to give a suggestion about how Konami could "fix" the advanced format, it'd be that Konami should use the banlist more liberally in order to bring down the ceiling of the game. Just ban 80 or so cards (starting with highly generic floodgates and FTK enablers), and then ban more if necessary on future lists. I know it can be done because I've already done it myself for the homebrew format i'm working on, and its still nowhere near as much as the amount of cards banned in stuff like Trinity Format. It wouldn't be overkill, and you'd promote a lot more back and forth by banning cards that shut the going second player out of the game.
People who constantly complain about everything, don't play, don't buy product and spread a lot of toxicity by forcing their expectations onto others aren't assets, they're nuisance. If you like the game - play it, if you like specific iteration of it - play it, there are many community formats that all suffer from lack of players. Maybe go make your own format too. But if you don't like the game, if you don't want to adapt to anything or pick proper place for proper deck, then just leave. You're just wasting your and everyone else's time.
This is my general experience. 95% of Yugi-boomer complaints and rants I hear come from people who don't even want to play the game. Maybe some of them played it for a brief period, but most just watched the anime or collected the cards in their childhood and never actually understood the game. They don't try to grow with the game, they don't try to find a way to play their own way, and they have the most disingenuous arguments against anything that's remotely different from what they thought they knew. It's hard to have a constructive conversation with many of them, because they don't understand any of the nuance the topic deserves. It feels like this video is acting like a large amount of them are actually constructive, but as someone who has been involved with this game the entire time, I can see the truth clearly.
The people who complain, just to complain, “karens”, are actually very few people. To say all yugiboomers are karens is false. The yugiboomers complain because there are genuine problems for how this game is not accessible to casual players like it used to be. the meta community is completely deaf to it. your suggestion for the casuals to leave is already happening for a long time, its not really a solution youve proposec either. Casuals exiting a fanbase is bad for everyone in that fanbase, and again, these casuals are not all 100% karens with invalid complaints, thats you conflating them into that group to attempt to invalidate their complaints.
i'm both a yugiboomer and one that goes to locals and plays the game, and someone who greatly enjoys and appreciates the og anime and format, and also enjoys modern (albeit to a lesser extent) thankfully, people at all the locals i go to in my city are super cool and inclusive, BUT online everyone is so mad all the time, calling out each other for the silliest and most minor difference in opinions
so ive had a few bed experiences at LGS for yugioh, mtg, i find yugioh way too hard sometimes and many players taking up to 25 mins to take a turn drives me nuts i stopped playing as the communtity where i am just faded over time, and last time was just bad a guy started loosing it as i wanted to read his card it was a full melt down. i agree with everything you said btw
@@XSaberUruz I agree with you and I’ve had some similar experiences with other games but never quite as bad as Yu-Gi-Oh! A lot of inpatient players are a lot of people showing off lol at one tournament I did the police showed up because someone started a fight
I don’t like the game anymore because the cards I like don’t have the proper support to be fun to play competitively with, the power level gap between the decks I like that are fun and the top tier decks is far far too wide, I like Digimon tcg cause you can pretty much play anything and win, also I don’t like the aesthetic of the top tier decks either, I like the designs or things like the stardust, speedroid, phantom knight, predaplant, sharks, etc, I’m not really a fan of all the anime human(I like branded tho) cards doesn’t feel like I’m playing a game about monsters, and I personally dislike all of the cutesy op waifu cards, it’s just not my taste.
You don't need to reboot the game. Konami just need to create alternative format with Old Format (Time Wizard) or Less popular cards (maybe under 5% usage/winrate). This maybe difficult to do in paper. But we have Master Duel, they can just put a new menu and let the players finish daily mission there. They don't need hundreds of people to maintain the online mode. They don't need to spend money for competitive format. They also have the detailed data about cards's usage and winrate. . But they don't create alternative format to play the game, and maybe never. As long as they still use the "P2W Strategy", we will only have 1 bulshit format. I have the explanation for this, but it is too complicated and I'm too lazy to write now.
Your community problem is a VERY vocal minority. The vast majority of people who like yugioh enough to play at locals or paper in general are very good people who are more than willing to lend cards and offer tips or general guidance to the point where among card games it's literally just what we do that most others don't and if they do, not to the same level. The problem with platforms like Master Duel is that those people generally gravitate to MD's format because the stupid toxic extremely anti-meta decks are allowed to exist there and literally nowhere else. That appeals to jaded "yugi-boomers" who scream about Syncros ruining the game while summoning Pachy or a Barrier Statue. Regardless, if your locals really is THAT toxic, your locals is not AT ALL the norm. I'm lucky and have THREE in my city and none of them are even remotely toxic despite sharing MAYBE 4 people across all three. There are people literally KNOWN in my greater area for playing sub tier-2 strategies and nonsense piles for no reason other than it's funny to see what happens when you go Round 1 in swiss against Snake-Eye or Fiendsmith Yubel and proceed to go X-4. An extension here as well that applies to ANYONE with this sentiment, if you can genuinely say that this game is 20 minutes of solitaire then I WILL push back and say that this depends ENTIRELY on the level you're trying to play at. If you're gonna play online and ladder in Master Duel, then frankly, no shit it's solitaire if you're not gonna build for a competitive environment. Play hand traps, play board breakers, do SOMETHING to your deck building because there are PLENTY of cards that counteract that exact idea. If you want to play more casually, you're gonna have to go to locals or play an unofficial sim like Duelingbook or EDOPro or Nexus. The casual player base of yugioh simply isn't the majority anymore, however counterintuitive that seams and it shows in how the community talks about the game. And regardless, in ANY card game, the new sets are GOING to be designed around the competitive scene. There's no avoiding that and how it shapes the game. There are plenty of measures you can take to find and play with people who play at the level you want to play at, but if you wanna play casually you're gonna have to work a little harder. Yugioh is very unique in how competitive its larger player base is. Now, a lot of those players are still frankly very bad, and many of them will not take losing lightly. That's just the give and take of a competitive community. The bigger discussion about the game's problems are largely kept semi-exclusive because a lot of the older and former players actively show that they simply lack understanding of the game's current issues when you sit at the table. The yugioh community has a really strange issue where we can understand ridiculous card interactions like Kaiser Colosseum and Nibiru but for whatever reason that ability to have nuance and segregation of topics and details disappears when talking about the larger state of yugioh. This community REALLY likes to mix the two VERY different conversations of "What are this game's problems?" and "What should this game be?". A LOT of the former players' points would apply to the second topic, but are utterly ridiculous in the first. We can talk circles around what yugioh SHOULD be all day, but at the end of the day there's a point where you have to just accept what the game is and decide if you like it or not and I think THAT upsets a lot of people because of how much they WANT to enjoy the game, and in some cases on all sides, fosters a sense of entitlement to one's own opinions being more correct than others. I generally like modern yugioh (Mulcharmies excluded) but it's simply dumb to act like the game is actually accessible the way a lot of people who suck at the game do. One of the biggest elements to yugioh's accessibility is simply how competitive we are as a community. More so than other card games, a large portion of the yugioh community enjoys competing more than playing casual and that puts Konami in a no-win situation because the most they can reasonably do under the current structure is explain how each mechanic works at a basic level, but if you wanna play with other people, the only realistic way to do so with any frequency is competitively and that's a learning curve a LOT of people simply aren't willing to climb. Yugioh is a hard game. VERY hard. The floor of the game gets higher every year and because of how competitive the majority of the player base is, we tend to encourage an "adapt or die" mentality, however much we may try to retain players and bring old players back. Frankly, yugioh is at a point in its game design where if we want to on-board new and/or returning players in any significant numbers, we as a community need to accept and advocate for yugioh to adopt set rotation. Set rotation is simply the only realistic way to lower this game's power level enough to make it accessible. The problem THERE is that a lot of people simply refuse to learn how set rotation works in other games and apply the logic to yugioh. People can't fathom the idea of multiple official and CURRENT formats and how beneficial it would be given the game's current state despite us having been advocating for alt formats for YEARS now. Yes, obviously, that'll generate its own problems eventually. BUT, the solutions to those problems are MUCH easier than fixing rarity distribution in the TCG. If Konami does truly want this game to survive the next ten years in the west, they need to take drastic action IMMEDIATELY before the game state is irreparable. This game NEEDS to be handled better in literally every single way outside of Japan. Konami is very quickly running out of time, and *trust* from its player base to make, or at least show progress to, those much needed changes. I adore this game, and I want to keep playing it, but Konami is making many many wrong steps to keep its players. Very glad to see videos trying to keep the conversations going though, cheers mate.
I agree that discussions around how the game ‘should be’ are pointless and we should focus on how it actually is, but at the same time, it seems to me you are totally downplaying how things actually are. Super long turns for example, happen way more frequently now than they did in the past. If youre playing modern format, even the very bad rogue decks in silver or gold rank have very long combos that create solitaire-like turns. I think your analysis doesn’t factor in that the yugioh casual base isnt the majority anymore because the game has been designed to push them away over time. Its false to act as if this shift was inevitable , konami created it by design. We’re going to see these more extreme examples of expensive UR cards that are shortprinted because konami has actively pushed away its casual playerbase to the point that only the sweats would buy this stuff. Format shifts wont be enough to bring back yugioh to its glory, its dying cuz the powercreep is too high, the game is getting too complex for old players, theres no marketing funnel to attract new players. Konami is blatantly milking the cash cow, the players care more about this game than the company who owns it ever will
Its only the combo players who are like this, they are the main problem of YGO not getting better, just to keep it all for themselves. If you notice they have nothing but toxicity and animosity to players who want to slow down the game on their own like us playing things like stun, floodgates or Mystic Mine. I grew up with the Anime and LOB but after finally trying to replay the game again I was confronted with modern YGO. I learned the entire game by myself starting with Mystic Mine and adapted after the ban of this card with other control decks. The hatred and disrespect I encountered from parts of the community for my choice of playstyle is unreal, no other game has a community like this. And worst of all Konami only listens to these deranged people and many of them big youtubers and we see it on each banlists. They laugh at the casual fansbase but ounce these players discover Floodgates, Shifter or other Anti-meta strategies they go insane. Yep I cant be bothered anymore with this game, its a lost cause, just stop giving Konami any money and let these combo players pay all the insane prices which they deserve actually.
I play the meta and i play stun. I see people cry all the time when they lose to stun but i just laugh. The community just loves their combos and the feeling of consistency, they hate anything that ruins their plans for consistent wins, and konami ends up designing more omni-negates and banning more stun cards to let them combo. Stun isnt always insta-win either, its fair game if someone uses it honestly
Honestly this is sorta far from it, my case example Pendulum Magician in the TCG after Baronne and Appolousa hits, the deck literally stopped working, as Baronne was an endboard piece and a combo piece, currently you can't even resolve the main card of the archetype in the past(Double Iris Magician), the only way to resolve it now is using Ignister Providence or Tornado Dragon, this overall makes the deck not work. I understand that 5+ negate boards aren't fun, but fragile boards aren't fun either, because you will get killed on the 2nd turn.
I'm personally a disillusioned yugiboomer. Ever since the great banlist split, Konami of America (KoA) has been getting progressively greedier with the english side of the game. even if a miracle happened and we started getting either a reboot or return to the old game's design, I wouldn't have interest in nu-old-yugioh unless it coincided with a return to the reprint and rarity parity that the OCG has. I have money, but I have money because I don't spend it frivolously. Juxtaposed against the OCG, endorsing the TCG with my business is just not a good value proposition.
i thought i missed how the game used to be, until i learned the modern format through master duel. its a much different game now, but its still just as much fun now as it was back then, if not more with how interactive the turns are (depending on what you play, im looking at yall FTK decks LOL)
I keep trying to play master duel but time and time again i get stumped by one of the new Decks and i always wander why is it okey to make card's this powerful the game Just leaves me frustrated every time i try.
I stopped playing around 2005ish. Got into Yugioh again recently because of the DM series. Watching the Japanese dub made me see the show in a different way and I got hooked to the franchise again. Although, modern Yugioh can be very daunting and scary as that’s how I felt coming back into the fast paced game.
I would say a big cause of it are Yu-Gi-Oh videos being very negative. There are very few Yugi tubers out there that make positive content. For every one positive video. There's like 15 negative videos. I would say that would help. Talk about what you like about the game more then talking about what you hate about the game.
i think both sides can be toxic. i only call people yugiboomer if they complain how new stuff is bad (synchros existed for majority of the game's lifespan btw). i mean certain elements of modern yugioh can be bad but when people think what they experienced in playground is what yugioh shoulda stayed as, i think they just failed to grow. in the other hand dismissing someone for liking something other than what you like with insults is also childish
I think there is a way to recapture what yugioh use to make everyone feel without making the game overly simple again. I also think there's a way to do that parallel to the current game, so no one loses. - I mostly see the toxicity from the current player base, personally. I also see a lot of people who feel personally offended if you criticize the current game, almost as if you're insulting them lol. Maybe some people out there just want to complain, but I think most people are just expressing something that a big chunk of a potential player base is feeling. That's valuable from a business standpoint. I don't think the vast majority of people failed to grow. I think a lot of current players say that, but I don't think that's the case. I think there was just something the original IP had that has been lost, and there could be a lot of money involved in to trying to figure out exactly what that was. You're opinion is not wrong or anything, it's fair and reasonable. This is just mine. Thanks for watching
@@four-en-tee yugioh is very complex yes but i've seen someone do the master duel tutorial and he mocking it about how complex it is. brother in christ if you cant get past that you have no right to make fun of anything. master duel tutorial is so bad because it barely explains anything. again it explains very little... you think thats complex? im pretty sure he just heard about people saying yugioh is too hard and thought thats the complex stuff. i bet he couldnt even figure out how to play uno
@@RaineBans I should've prefaced that that was a joke(?) I meant "new" in the context of a modern game player, so that may have been lost in translation as well. Y'know, the whole joke of "yugioh players can't read." More to the point, I think what really hurt Konami was that they didn't introduce keywords or other symbols early on during either Duel Monsters or GX. Like, there's a reason why Magic the Gathering has a million keywords. Card text would otherwise be as bloated as Yugioh. Now pretty much every card has a paragraph written on them. And while I actually like to read believe it or not, its often a great hinderance.
Im proud Yugiboomer because : -Old art style is WAY better, more clear, vibrant color design with egypt or occult themes. No st*pid random robots everywhere. -Monsters before were monsters.... -i dont like paragraph of text on every cards and multiple effects on those modern cards. -I love "modding" the rules of old yugioh to improve it, i didnt even test every cards it existed before, so why move on when something you have is working and you like it? -I prefer old characters from the manga/anime. (i started at 13, and im 34 today)
What do you mean no robots? Mechanical chaser was the first ever chase prize card, being in the game longer than graceful charity. Barrel, blowback and gattling dragon are also ancient. No archetypes full of lolis, food or plushies is more accurate. And even then I would say that there weren't archetypes full of them because they had a few of those since forever iirc.
you should count the times you have said "for one reason or another". I get your point, but its really irretaiting if you keep repeating the same point 4x in a row while on the same subject.
your experience with the community reminds me of some sports, its the same outside of games, its most of community of men in general, people are just mean and arrogant. Really shitty but its life and people are more and more selfish and ego centred
i'm clicking on this to dislike because you are wrong and catering to out of touch 40+ year olds is not in any way healthy for the game lol, the game was by a infinitely large margin the worst card game ever until they started expanding the extra deck mechanics
I appreciate you clicking the dislike, youtube sees likes and dislikes as the same when it comes to engagement so, I appreciate it. Comments also help, so I also appreciate that. This video basically boils down to - Respect that other people might think different from you. To me that's just catering to normal people with basic communication and social skills. Doesn't really mater the age lol. I just say what I think dude, idc who agrees or not and who it caters to or not.
In no way was the expansion of extra deck mechanics listed as a problem though? Like you didn't watch this at all, and you've fallen into the mental trap of disregarding and opinion based on ageism, which is exactly what this video is about 😂
I mean lets be real...yugioh ended up as a f**kboy game because of the price gouging and 'showy display of wealth' aspect of the game 🤓... Also this games got too many mansplainy yuppies bruh... TY eternal format 🫤🤙TY yugiboomers! And No TY Tearelement yugigooners 🤮
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You're a massive Clown 🤡. What Yu-Gi-Oh actually needs is a reboot back to the old days. A completely fresh start to Cards that weren't so powerful that it's impossible to actually play the Game (Which is the point of the Game. You know? To be able to play it). Konami needs to reboot back towards an Edison-Style of Speed for the Game. No need to just tell people to go back and use older cards, but instead they should roll out new cards that are lower powered while banning the use of all of the overpowered Meta cards. Force people to use the Newer, but Depowered cards. More of a slower transition to a lower powercreep over time.
@@Dark-Glaive You couldn't even start your paragraph off with the correct 'you're'...
@@WillyWoogy I'm now curious as to what he said :P
@@Dark-Glaivenice essay but i didnt feel like reading it when you start off by telling the world that you are a clown
@@XSaberUruz The comment was still showing up on mobile for a bit, but I think he deleted it. Honestly it felt very AI written so you didn't miss much.
The game can’t even attract and bring in the next generation of kids. Kids today don’t care or even know what Yugioh is. The game is too complicated to get a 7 year old to understand it and not drop the game in anger and frustration like kids do. We are keeping the game alive but if Konami can’t bring in the next generation the game will inevitably die. Konami knows the game is bleeding that’s why they are trying to make Rush Duels appealing to kids.
I agree
I agree to a certain extent but I still see kids pick up the game. In fact a kid at my locals was building a pendulum deck 😂 but if anything Konami should support a more casual focused format that doesn't necessarily involve long combos so that it can help people integrate into the advanced format with a knowledge of the rules.
@@kevinlee5753 Goat is treated like it's for old people, when a simpler format allows you to understand basic rules that, even with XYZ and Links and Ash Blossom, those fundamental rules still apply
Do Kids know or care about what Magic the gathering is? Do kids know/care about the one piece trading card game more than Yugioh? I didn’t think so.
@thekittenfreakify Which is what Pachinkomoney wants in order to turn Yu-Gi-Oh! from a kids' game into the very thing Kazuki Takahashi was criticizing, Magic, a broken niche money pit for sweaty tryhards who pay to win and don't shower, which is why those 60 cards are wasting space on the banlist that basically as as a soft set rotation.
The most annoying thing about the community is when I express liking the game to be even slightly slower and people just assume I quit the game when synchros came out therefore my opinion is invalid. No, actually after not ever playing competitively and stopping playing for a few years I came back to the game more seriously with synchros. I proceeded to play all the way through xyz, jumping ship at pendulums. Then I came back again after whatever the current master rule revision we are on began. Even now, generally understanding the mechanic, pendulums are the only mechanic that I actively dislike on a conceptual level.
My main problem with the game is that I like playing. I like being able to use my cards and unless my deck is 50% hand trap or board wipe I don't even get a chance to start using my cards. I like seeing different end boards, but it seems like every time I play it is nearly always the same 3 omni-negates with maybe 1 boss monster from whatever OP engine is currently able to combo off for 10 minutes at the time. I understand that my favorite archetype is trash, but it sure would be cool to have more than one turn these days. Or just my own turn, "our turn" decks are actually the most irritating thing I have ever seen. Every time I look at the meta I just get totally turned off of the game.
I've definitely been called a Yugiboomer for vocalizing a distaste for 5+ negate boards and the current form of "interaction" facilitated by hand traps.
This is the thing that confuses me. Why do Yugioh players obsess over playing the game less? That idea might be confusing but hear me out.
Most games end turn one. Either the then player establishes an unbreakable board or the non turn player shuts your turn one hard enough that you're forced to stop, and if the non turn player has enough gas, they just kill you then and there on their first turn. Maybe more effects get thrown around, and maybe both players can (potentially, depening on if you draw any going second) play on both turns, but when you really look at it, there isn't a game duration; there is no real progression of gamestate that matters, the game is a Boolean.
Either you win turn one or you lose. This is the harsh truth of most games if Yugioh in this era, and while Yugioh players generally can tolerate this boolean function, "yugiboomers" don't. Mind that term can be used to functionally discredit anyone--inculding newbie players and mark them as not true "fans" or "players".
Let me make it clear to any of the people who would lable me a YugiBoomer, i'm one of the sickos who likes Ishizu Tear format. Yes, i like that deck and the format it makes.
Yu-Gi-Oh is a bad game. Its okay to like bad things. One of my favorite movies is unironically The Bee Movie. But call a spade a spade; when a game that is traditionally aimed at children requires college level reading and comprehension skills to properly understand, and requires you to re-read that card and its effects constantly to ensure you are properly responding, is a bad card game. You should be able to read the core rules, pick up a deck, and get playing pretty easily. The game should be accessable to people other than you.
My issue with the game is that my opponent plays solitaire for 10 mins during their turn another 5 mins during mine…And the deck options are too limited if you want to actually win. Having to play the same thing as everyone else is trash. Konami needs to hear this stuff.
I 100% agree with you. Konami has an extremely aggressive vertical growth model for the game vs a horizontal one. It's not about profit through variety and different strategies, it's about aggressively and constantly replacing previous sets with stronger and better ones. It's a perfect recipe for something to eventually die and I think it shows the company is desperate.
As far as the rest, like the game feeling like you're playing solitaire, I also agree. Thanks for watching
@@XSaberUruz
In the end they only have two choices in that matter.
They are a company, so in order to stay in business which allows them to hold tournaments and make new sets every new set needs to be sold at least some amount to make the required profit.
Now if you have a powerful tournament winning deck, why would you buy the cards from the next set?
It's either a) because they are more powerful (skull red bird -> la djinn -> tearlaments) or b) because you play for tournament prizes and the format played at high prized tournaments has hard set rotation meaning you will not be allowed to play that same deck in the future. If you are playing at regionals or world championship those two are basically the same (power creep from one set to the next is the whole frog in a slowly heating pot thing) but if you play casually or at locals, that could hold non rotating events even when main format has rotation), then the difference is that when option b is used then once you have a powerful deck it is more likely to stay powerful in the non rotating format that you play there, yes in a rotation format the company can still have power creep but at that point it is a choice from the devs since they don't need to.
Even Pokémon TCG and Magic have that same issue, and it’s worse for the former cus there’s no way to play on your opponent’s turn
@@STEPHxCA of course you can play on your opponents turn in MTG, that's what instants are for.
I haven't played much of it the last 2 years but afaik there is nothing in standard that can pop off in the first few turns, and the eternal formats that have turn 1 combo decks also have cards like mental misstep and force of will etc. that allow you to counter your opponent in their turn 1.
And one of the most important things is that there was once a deck nicknamed eggs, which would have their combo turn take possibly half an hour to an hour depending on draws etc. And while the deck wasn't a problem due to being more powerful than the other options it was banned simply for wasting your opponents time. And of the remaining combo decks the longest turns go to storm which will play a whole 10 cards, made up of draw spells and stuff that gives you temporary mana, and that also only takes about 3-5 minutes. If ygo turn 1s ended on the same board without you being able to watch the entire director's cut of lotr during a single turn then I assume there would be a lot less complaints. Yes I know that is a over exaggerated, still takes way to long.
@@younasdar5572He said "the former" meaning Pokémon.
As much as I'd like to play Yu-Gi-Oh I can't really bring myself to play when the TCG messes with the rarity of cards in sets, fills in predominantly useless TCG exclusives that do nothing to shake up the meta at large. The tier 0 meta wouldn't be nearly as unbearable if the cards were printed like OCG cards where you could get the vast majority of cards in the set with a single 150 card box, which makes cards far cheaper due to the volume of access for all of the cards. Because TCG bumps rarity of cards, it makes deck building abysmally expensive alongside how much wasted paper and wrapping is produced because of how small the pool of commons is compared to the number printed per pack.
I shared similar experiences of some players wanting me to hurry up because I wasn't familiar with their cards and I understand they are in a hurry, the time rules are poorly designed which doesn't give time to play out games and end of time procedures are blue ball inducing. Most people are chill with off meta decks and like to see them, though others can get quite salty that their rogue deck is losing to your untiered deck.
TCG Konami has no incentive to change when a large part of the playerbase is to entrenched in the game and have no perspective for any other tcg to see how good other games have it compared to Yu-Gi-Oh.
It'd be nice if Konami were to do reprint sets dedicated to older formats where it was fresh cardboard and sleek new arts and/or clean rarities to promote other formats. They'd make a killing and draw players into the game without having to rely on the modern format's success as much. Unfortunately, this isn't happening as even OCG hasn't shown any signs of producing such product.
Honestly, I could live with this game dying and being buried into the ground, but the playerbase is too fanatical to let Konami kill off the franchise.
14:49 I feel the passion in your Rant. This is why I made an AI to help ALL duelists understand the game. The AI does not judge. The community is harsh sometimes, but we have great people and technology that want to help.
@@YTDan You did? Where can people find this tool? I want to check it out. Very cool
It really doesn't help when big Yugioh content creators keep the "haha boomer can't read" memes alive and make fun of people who don't like the current direction of the game. It does make them feel like elitists, like there's only a narrow spectrum of acceptable conversation and if you fall out of that, you're a boomer and your opinion can be disregarded, even if you've been playing the game for longer than them and you understand how intricate it is, but don't think it being so intricate and complex and fast is good for the long term health of the game.
@@LookingForTheTop 100% and I also think a lot of them are leaning in to the meme/pandering. They probably should realize that most people don’t play the game for a living like them… they have kids, long work hours, other hobbies. Its a lot to ask someone to both pick up and keep up with the current game. Not calling any one channel out in particular, but I agree with your general sentiment.
I agree with you, there's a reduction of old players' viewpoints towards they don't know how the game is played nowadays, when in reality there's a lot of players who understand and dislike it compared to a slower format. I personally think the current card complexity doesn't introduce enough depth to warrant itself, and that this both makes games take longer while making it harder to follow along for casuals.
Also, pleasantly surprised to see you here @LookingForTheTop. I really enjoyed your Dark Signer series and your numerous attempts to do something with Fortune Ladies with Brilliant Fusion.
I like the opposite of that meme. Shows a small books worth of text on a children's card game card. Would you read this? Would you read this and actually absorb its information for a million dollars? Me either.
@@soup6924 Thank you, that was such a long time ago haha
Now I've been trying out Yugi decks and been stuck trying to make something out of Dark Magician ^^
OMG it's YOU !!!!!! i have not seen you in a long time tho im on a alt account, i saw you some years ago before COVID actually in the comments, Great to see you man !
team yugiboomer here ! Old school soul
During Covid, I took a break from the game and just kept updating my decks and following the news about new cards. I enjoyed building my decks and talking about the card game, but I get a sinking feeling in my stomach when I have dueled lately. The last duel I had was against a Yubel Fiendsmith player and he was super nice, but it was such a bad experience.
This game just isn't fun anymore, and I don't have the same sense of excitement that I had when I dueled before Covid. Konami is releasing new Speedroid cards a week before my birthday for crying out loud, but I just can't get excited. There isn't a game like Yu-Gi-Oh that I can jump into and enjoy. I want to find any reason to un-quit the game and come back, but as it is now, this game hurts to think about and maybe no Yu-Gi-Oh is better than current Yu-Gi-Oh for me.
People are just not self aware enough to be kind these days. In this example people don't understand that they will be ''old'' by their definition one day not that long from now.
True. I wish there were more decks that utilizes older cards like the Millennium deck. Would be pretty kool for nostalgic purposes.
"I wasn't planning on making this video but..."
Every great video always starts like this, everybody knows
I think Yu-Gi-Oh needs two new animes, one for kids and one for adults.
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 hmm thats a unique idea, never heard anyone suggest this. So one more season zero-like?
And we already have the Rush Duel anime for the kids and thirsty adults shipping the regular game/Master Duel anime.
@@autobotstarscream765 They did release short animations for various archetypes.
I've been suggesting the same thing on Yugituber videos. There should be a reboot of the Yu-Gi-Oh anime which follows closely to Takahashi's Manga. Young adults as it's target audience. Keeping true to its dark and grim art style. For the tcg, it should be rebooted and revamped. Restart from scratch. Konami's main focus for the tcg should be keeping the game balanced, well-paced and healthy. Maybe include an inbuilt resource system? It should be affordable for everyone. Make the game truly about skill rather than pay to win and "luck." That's my opinion anyways.
@AWBM1993 The TCG has already been rebooted twice, so Rush Duel is the third strike for Konami-made Yu-Gi-Oh!; the manga doesn't have a mana system, so a "Yu-Gi-Oh! Crystal/Brotherhood" anime would have to advertise the game we have; and if you want a completely new game with Yu-Gi-Oh! characters and a mana system, the reboot game needs to be taken away from Konami and given back to Bandai, who made the beta card game and is now the leading name in making new card games for Shonen Jump properties, so it would be a homecoming for Yugi and friends to reunite with Goku, Luffy, and the whole SJ gang.
Great video btw.
I honestly feel this with Master Duel as well. Its a cool outlet to play the game on my own as my locals have abandoned Yugioh completely. Though, everything about its design is hyper focused on min-maxing and competitive play at the highest level. Unless you're grinding the ranked ladder or pulling packs to use on ranked, or competing in the Duelist Cup, there's no reason to play the game really.
Nearly 3 years in and there isn't a new format or mode for players who don't care for where the modern game is, or people who just want to play Yugioh to relax.
I believe that this game has two main audiences, the meta/tournaments one and the chill and have fun one, 15 years ago it was the same, it's better to play in small groups of friends, if you don't focus on the meta the game is actually very fun, rouge decks are the best.
I got my first Kaiba Starter Deck at age 11 years old, loved playing with friends and stopped playing after 5D's peak. I really tried to get back into it recently but bro... I just couldn't, the game has changed from the Yu-Gi-Oh me and my friends once loved. Now I just moved on to Battle Spirits, Cardfight Vanguard, Digimon,Duel Masters, and when Yu-Gi-Oh Rush Duels came out I'm really excited its simple easy to learn and the flow is so much better. BUT I'm at the point of making my own card game with old school Yu-Gi-Oh aspects. Overall if no one is going find a solution to this problem, you just gotta do it yourself.
Battle Spirits?
I know this is a bit off topic, but there's something satisfying about Konami giving us that 'Early Days' collection. It almost feels like an acknowledgement of the more 'Yugiboomer' crowd and that they know we're still very much here.
How well that collection sells is going to be very interesting.
It feels like half the community really thinks they're Kaiba or some shit with how they talk to people. I play Pokemon and Magic as well and they're both way nicer and more welcoming imo.
Too bad Magic is so expensive, One Piece is pretty chill though.
The irony is that even Kaiba would fuckin hate Yu-Gi-Oh its all the same decks same cards over and over and over
I'm firmly in the camp "still hangs around the community but doesn't play the game" since I mostly watch content creator's wacky draft series and sometimes listen to what's happening in the competitive scene.
I tried duel links because of rush but quit after realizing how tiring it is to keep up with stuff even if I'm only playing rush without spending that much money (I bought the 3rd copy of the ultimate flag structure with real money). I guess I learned way too much stuff about this game and can't just abandon and forget everything on a whim, but playing the game in the state that it is (rarity distributions on both physical and digital, game speed and complexity, balancing or lack thereof) just isn't appealing to me anymore)
Personally I think they should reboot the franchise with a rotating set, while the current sets could be considered "Unlimited".
The new rotation should introduce archetypes that are old favorites like Dark, Magician, Blue-Eyes, Red-Eyes, Heroes etc (that will sell like crazy), but don't include new support for those archetypes that makes them too broken/complex. I think power level of archetypes should drop to around the Synchro/XYZ era, since it won't be too complex for DM yugiboomers, while people used to current yugioh can still pull off combos, although much more limited.
Limiting the power level should also limit card text, add to the rules that all card effects are considered hard OPT, so we can save text by not printing lines such as "_ can be used only once per turn", "This card's 2nd and 3rd effect can be used only once per turn" etc. This is crucial for helping newer players get an easier understanding of their decks, no new player should read walls of text for a deck they might not even like in the end. The quicker you get someone to try and vibe with a deck, the better the chance they're staying. As for older cards that have such text, let them be played in Unlimited, while only cards from the new set should be legal in the reboot.
But what about Rush Duel? Yea what about it, it's OCG only and honestly, it won't sell as good as an actual reboot of the card game focused on reliving the old days. Rush Duel can still exist of course, but the way its played is completely different from what most grew up with, or what current players play with, so it should stay as a spin off for the original game. But they can definitely take all the good ideas from Rush Duel like how text is written in a card and apply it to the new reboot.
Make a reboot of the original anime (this will help promote the reboot of the card game like crazy), but with a new story set after the events of DSOD, since if we do a straight reboot most of the early battles will be set pass snoozefests and won't actually align with the format we're playing. Setting the anime after DSOD helps give other characters their own archetypes like Tristan, or just fleshing out new ideas like Tea and her magician girls. This also introduces a chance for them to retrain cards like Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes, finally giving them effects. This will make those old vanillas not be actual bricks in hand, which will help card design in the future.
Now these are just some of my ideas, I know most won't like them, but this is how I feel about what Konami should do if they wanna revitalize the game, as well as make a boatload of money. Even if they do something similar to my idea, there's no guarantee the new format won't end up powercrept as well, so everything is still ultimately in their hands.
Honestly, I mainly stopped really playing the TCG in a competitive fashion(I still play and go to locals every now and then but not as seriously as I once did) for a year or two now as to me the game has devolved more into "How can I prevent my opponent from playing" while also have to have to combat it as a the whole "My opponent can turn off everything I have so I should bring things to counter the counters in their hand so I can play" which takes out the skill from, a lot of the game. There's not really a good back and fourth to the game anymore and it honestly upsets me at the people who are trying to defend the toxic playstate of the current game, like people really want to defend snake-eyes not really getting hit when Linkuriboh gets banned in a similar situation to needlefiber(where it was good in a meta deck but instead of hitting the meta deck hit the generic)? That's a bit as to why I gravitated towards rush duels as much as I did as for the longest time in the format the back and fourth was brought back and even in some case could capture the shock and awe of having a built in way to make sure you could always try to make a comeback with the new draw rules. I love this franchise to death but I can't see the TCG being genuinely fun until certain actions are made in it. I didn't start playing the game back then and will admit I didn't really play much until end of Arc-V era into vrains but I was into the property since I was a lil dudette with Bakura and Jack Atlas being some of my favorite characters since I watched the anime for the first time many years ago. My point being I love this franchise to death and I hate how toxic minded some of the fanbase new and Old have adopted when it come to the modern form of the game, To anyone who hasn't, Please give rush a chance it has alot of potential and GO Rush contains one of the best Arcs in Yugioh towards its middle to second half, Please be open minded and just give rush a chance!
The funny thing is, it's not the minority that's complaining, it's the majority that quit.
For statistics numbers when dueing network was at it's peak, it averaged 10 k players online through out the majority of the day. Which is actually AMAZING numbers for a third party app with no animations.
this was a third party fan made app. Now it's copy is lucky to even hit 2 k.
Master duel a first party app, averages around 21 k player base on steam charts at it's peak it hit 260 k when it first released.
So basicaly 260 thousand people who genuinely find yu gi oh a interesting idea joined master duel and only 21 k stayed. Roughly 8 percent stayed.
92 percent of the player base said "fuck this shit, old yu gi oh was more fun"
So people really need to stop throwing around the term "yugi boomer"
I am literally ranked master on master duel and have done well at in person yu gi oh events, modern yu gi oh is literally just summon 5 omni negates in one turn and pray your opponent doesn't have the one single card that can fuck you over.
Hard for me to call that skill. It's just memorize your decks combo and pass turn. Even pro players meme about it.
hahahahaha "you cant read my card", im dead
3:46 Isn't there a joke/meme about yu-gi-oh! players never reading their cards? Where do these guys get off claiming you don't know how to play or are stupid when they can't even be bothered to read.
I actually HATE the idea of "Skill" in modern Yu-gi-oh. They claim you aren't smart or skilled enough but the modern game isn't about skill or intellect. It is all about memory and knowledge checks. Do you remember the order to use your cards? and Do you know which piece of the enemy deck your should stop? And obviously RNG has always been a part of the game, but now days not drawing the right Hand Trap is just game over on turn ONE. Which feels less bad than before. I personally think something between 5D's and Zexal Eras would be a perfect speed. Not too fast you are playing your whole deck in a single turn, but not so slow that it feels like a slog.
Yeah. You're going second, but didn't start with Ash, Maxx C, or Imperm in Master Duel? GG go next.
And obviously those aren't the _only_ viable handtraps in modern Yugioh, but the same sentiment applies regardless of whichever one is brought up. Stuff 9 - 15 interrupts/board breakers in your deck, and hope your opening hand has the right one against the deck your facing.
Many people have said that, none were actually able to prove it true by example. Some decks do have crutial choke points, but do you think at the highest level of the game people actually think "well, if I get impermed here, I lose I guess" when building decks? Maybe the issue is in you and decks you play? I suggest trying out Unchained or something similar that is good to compete and has high skill ceiling. Then tell me if the game is about skill or just knowledge.
@@kindlingkingPeople at the highest level of the game have literally said "well, if I get (x) here, I lose I guess", you're not telling me professional Duelists would lie to TH-cam, are you?
@@autobotstarscream765 they don't literally lose to specific card at specific point with no way around it and more importantly they make a conscious choice when they pick up decks that have this sort of weakness. You know Nibiru? Do you actually think every combo deck just accepts losing to Nibiru at the first choke point? No, most have Nibiru proof combos or back up lines if you get Nibbed. Whether to go for weaker line but play around nib or risk it by getting all in is a choice you have to make.
I'm telling you, go play a real deck. Something resilient enough to not lose to one Ash and with good grind game. There a countless strong decks that require active decision making instead of just following basic combo lines.
@@kindlingking In other words, Fiendsmith, because Tenpai don't grind, we Thanos snap you out of existence. 😎
The YGO community conversation is so real, the card shop near me luckily have the nice people (Like myself) who will donate cards to new players, or if a player isnt as good we will give them advice and beef their deck up. The online YGO community however, is basically 4chan 2.0
@@myeternalsin Yeah online is just unhinged on another lvl lol
I'm a yugiboomer and I don't want to lose before my first draw phase
Yugi boomer here. Stopped playing around the DM era/battle city and got back into it in 2020. In spite of the game’s flaws, 1 reason why yugi boomers dont get into the modern game is because they’re not willing to approach the game on its level. Getting back into YGO and modern day pkmn tcg showed me that games change over time but if you’re willing to drop your preconceived notions of how a game should be and meet it where it’s at you can actually have a lot of fun.
Another reason is that yugi boomers haven’t watched the modern anime. Ain’t no way you can watch Playmaker in Vrains summon Accesscode Talker *under a floodgate* then proceed to break AI’s board and tell me that wasn’t badass 😂
It's not the same game. Modern YGO and Oldschool YGO may as well be entirely different card games; they don't play the same at all. The skillset required to be good in each is different, the way you have to think about the game is different, and I would say that there is very little crossover which, where it is present, is only at the basic fundamental rules of the game level.
Yugioh is not appealing in the direction it's going. There is a reason Time Wizard events are becoming more common and popular. I can play multiple competitive GOAT decks for the cost of half a meta deck nowadays.
@@Prodigial6 I play master duel lol. I’ve heard that’s been more popular too
“Drop your preconceived notions”
You mean just accept it’s a different game. Fundamentally its core mechanics have changed into something completely different
And “modern” anime? You realize VRAINS ended over 4 years ago and there will never be another real anime because the game is too far gone right?
It is literally impossible to make an anime centered around playing the game as it plays right now in the year 2024
This is coming from someone who has played consistently from 2015-2017 and 2020 to present and as a big VRAINS fan. You people just don’t get it, you don’t know how to take a step back from the picture and look at the whole view. You only know how to tunnel vision into very niche parts and can’t understand why it isn’t appealing to the general public
Is fun to play but nowadays you quickly notice that playing with your favourite deck will get you smoked
I really do think that your solution is the real solution.
It's a pretty polarizing opinion, but I think a lot of people didn't quite get where I was coming from or maybe I didn't do the best job of explaining every single detail in that one video, and most people didn't watch part 2. Thanks for watching
One of my thoughts that could be done is to have lower power formats.
That was kind of the idea behind Kushen format, separates cards in different tiers. There are also other formats that do this, they're just not very popular or most people have no idea they exist since they are not actively promoted. Everyone just knows about GOAT and Edison for the most part.
Sounds like a HERO is needed. I’m what the game needs.
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I got to master 1 in master duel but i fully understand the yugiboomer perspective and consider myself one too. This game is not friendly to casuals, the way it used to be. Its not a game that kids and teens can get into easily anymore, the tcg is very predatory with their high priced rarity prints and no prizing. The number of people who dismiss the yugiboomer complaints is a problem cuz they are out of touch with how normal, casual enjoyers feel
While I’ve tried to keep up with the summoning mechanics, I am a casual through and through. I much prefer using archetypes that aren’t bogged down with essay levels of reading like Digital Bug or Dinomist. Both those archetypes are certainly not the meta, yet I still prefer them to some of the archetypes that have walls of text. Seriously, there is sort of a meme where prior to rush duels, the latest cards had literal walls of text because they had like ten different effects. I’m probably exaggerating a little on the number of effects each monster was having, but I know for a fact that prior to the introduction of Rush Duels, you couldn’t go two websites before hearing something about how the latest cards had walls of text.
the ygo community is vary "toxic" i rather use a much harsh word.
when i was about 10-13, i played on dueling nexus with my Vary much "playground" yugioh deck, i got shit on not only in the game (i lost but i wanted to improve) but in the chat and in the forums, i had a guy plead with me to use another deck and throw his whole deck in the GY and wanted me to net deck him. i had a guy tell me that my deck was shit and that i need to throw away my hopes and dream of using the type of deck i wanted to use, i would ask what card do i need to make my deck better and the response i would get is "throw it all away and play meta" "your deck is shit play this unrelated deck"
back a year ago, i was making my stardust deck (i never gave up my hope nor my dreams) so i joined this yugi tuber's discord, his fan who "love synchro" told me everything I've hard they did not help me make a pure stardust deck instead they got the yugi tuber to join in and laugh.
EVERY DECK i have Built, comes form a lonely road.
I agree with the end of the video. The players can be so elitist
Taking a break for a short period of time you feel so far behind, and players are fucking brutal
Nobody is about playing a game to have fun. It’s all sweats who ONLY play Yugioh. No other hobbies, they put in hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into a game that just continues to screw them over
It’s all cliques and high school bullshit. Like alright dude, you can be king of the shit mountain who loses to a single Ash Blossom the next game lol
The duality of a modern yugioh player:
They tell people older than them to not play the game anymore, but start cheering loud as fuck when an old guy wins with Exodia in a tournament.
Grandpa's Deck has no pathetic cards!
@@autobotstarscream765 Except maybe Kuribo.
@@OnlyLiarGameFan Kuriboh was the original hand trap who paved the way for modern Yu-Gi-Oh!.
@@autobotstarscream765 nah that's winged kuribo 🤓🤓
lol
Yugi boomers get shunned from the conversation because it's the exact same talking points that they've had since Pendulums released.
It's always:
"Game too fast"
"solitaire"
"Combo bad!"
Hard to swallow pill: We are further away from pendulum format today than when pendulum format was to GOAT when it first got released. You have no excuse because the game has been like this for years and it's not changing.
If you dislike the modern format, that's fine. It's not for everyone. Give GOAT or Edison a try or even TOSS if you want to dip your toes into something more fast paced. Those are popular formats for people who are disgruntled with modern Yugioh.
Convincing people to play retro formats is a game in of itself
And they are. GOAT and Edison, as well as older formats like HAT and D.Ruler are growing in general because the game was just more fun back then. The game IS too fast, 10 minute turns ARE boring, losing to combo decks feels like you just didn't have the out/is frustrating, winning with combo decks isn't satisfying as you often just made a turn one board your opponent couldn't counter because they didn't have the out, and the game is WAY too expensive.
These are real critiques and Konami and modern YGO can either listen or continue to die out. I played YGO through to Pendulums (which 100% killed the game imo) and have tried a few of the formats in the Link era with absolutely no enjoyment from any of them. I'm glad people can enjoy the modern format. If all the things you listed are your thing, great, but the general discourse around YGO, from all aspects of the community, has been negative for a while. It's clear that change has to be made.
You are the problem sir
@@Voupes Okay, but what is the refutation to those points?
Are we denying that the game has gotten progressively faster as time has gone on? Surely there is a middle ground between 15 turns of vanilla beat down 1-for-1 trades and 3 turns of "combo off so hard turn 1 that all your opponent can do is pass turn to get absolutely nuked."
Are we just ignoring that if my deck isn't nearly 50% hand trap/board breaker and I don't get precisely the right ones I am going to watch solitaire? "Combo bad" is an extension of the solitaire critique. Modern combos are long and tedious to sit through, almost always ending on relatively homogenous generic end boards no matter what deck I play against.
This is exactly the problem. You, like many others, clearly just get annoyed by the critiques instead of digging into what is actually behind them. You like the game as it is, which is perfectly fine, but you just seem unwilling to actually discuss what people have issues with.
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Unfortunately konami is feeding a vicious circle of printing broken cards then later banning them. Leaving the game stale with one turn kills. It's either use the meta or die. If the new School players are ok with being used or taken advantage of then more power to them
I think it shows the company is desperate and squeezing the last drops off the lemon, idk that's just my feeling. Exactly what you said, they make a broken set, wait for it to sell, then ban it. Rinse and repeat.
Boycotting a format is like trying to boycott the new Call of Duty. I won't say change is impossible. Take a look a how much money EA is hemorrhaging. But there will always be ppl who will buy the new sports game with all the microtransactions that come with it, to stay relevant. same way there will always be ppl that will eat up anything konami serves up so they can feel good about themselves and win a dumb tournament at the cost of the game as a whole
Once again I can not argue with all the facts you are speaking here. Yes I would be a Yugi Boomer since I started in the DM era. Yes Konami really needs to listen to the western market as well.
Glad you are speaking out and being a voice for the other YGO players who do not agree with the current way Konami is running the game and IP.
I don't hate yugioh by the way. Meaning, I legitimately would like to play it but I literally can't do the learning curve. So it's like wanting to love someone who is just waaaaay too much of a handful. I last played when pendulums were introduced along with being a yugiboomer.
Yeah I feel you. I play the current game, but I'll be the first to admit it's overly complicated as game. I took a 2 month break, got back in to it yesterday, and am playing basically the same deck. Even then, I was still having to relearn how most of my cards work, because it's just so much information it's like... I have real crap to remember, like work related stuff, not this lol. I was able to get back in to playing, but it took a good 2h just re-reading my cards
Halfway through the video I paid attention to the visuals for a moment and saw someone draw 5 cards in the draw phase. Rush Duel is nuch more different than I expected 😅
@@gregoryowain2073 Yeah haha it changes up the rules of the game. Its a fun game, just gets old very fast.
I would be one as such all tho i am mainly anime oriented towards yugioh I am much less on-game tho i played classic triology when you could inport mods and collect around 700+ cards for me that was fun but souly because it was simple and streight foward
About anime i mostly liked maturity that yugioh did show to us as we were kids 5ds when i saw i completely fallen in love with it almost like they made a complete upgrade from og ygo dual kingdoms to another futuristic masterpeace not to say that DK had bad things
for me GX kinda did a little bit worse but still yea it was enjoyable
When Zexal came out this is where i kind-off fell off and from there maturity was completely reversed from darker themes to lighter from audiance around 20 to audience that mostly will question series even if they are around 10
After Zexal Yugioh just lost passion and sadly it became much more generic thus killing classic mainstream media
Honestly last games I did of yugioh just made me feel miserable, Additionally, You cant even discuss with the community they'll dismiss everything you say they dont agree with
I'm probably one of the few who jumped into this game recently that has actually stuck with it (I never touched Yugioh before 2021), and I'm one of the few in this community that thinks the future of this game lies in stuff like alternative formats and anime like "Yugioh the Chronicles" as opposed to GOAT/Edison style gameplay and Duel Monsters nostalgia. I'm admittedly an outlier and an outspoken contrarian, and I obviously have a personal interest in wanting others to play the modern game considering I love this game for what it is and its one of the few things i like to make videos on in my free time.
(God, its insane how far i've come since my awful Pot of Greed video)
But despite my bias towards the modern game, even I have to admit that this community is awful about taking criticism. Like, I don't agree with what a lot of people say either and I can understand gatekeeping in the context of trying to keep people from changing what you like about modern Yugioh (either that or because you're sponsored by Konami and can't bite the hand that feeds you). I'm also in a rather unique position considering i've been massively wrong before regarding a topic on this game, and I know what its like to shoulder a lot of criticism. But even so, people in this community need to be willing to look at shit on a case-by-case basis and consider whether or not peoples' suggestions have any weight. Like, i'm 110% on board with implementing keywords on cards for example. Its genuinely insane that every card has a paragraph. But I can't get on board with stuff like special summon limits or what have you, it'd break so many rogue decks. Like, you all saw what Junior Format did to this game's card pool when MBT and Luke Von Karma went about exploring that. Sky Striker and Monarchs were literally unplayable in that format.
If i had to give a suggestion about how Konami could "fix" the advanced format, it'd be that Konami should use the banlist more liberally in order to bring down the ceiling of the game. Just ban 80 or so cards (starting with highly generic floodgates and FTK enablers), and then ban more if necessary on future lists. I know it can be done because I've already done it myself for the homebrew format i'm working on, and its still nowhere near as much as the amount of cards banned in stuff like Trinity Format. It wouldn't be overkill, and you'd promote a lot more back and forth by banning cards that shut the going second player out of the game.
People who constantly complain about everything, don't play, don't buy product and spread a lot of toxicity by forcing their expectations onto others aren't assets, they're nuisance. If you like the game - play it, if you like specific iteration of it - play it, there are many community formats that all suffer from lack of players. Maybe go make your own format too. But if you don't like the game, if you don't want to adapt to anything or pick proper place for proper deck, then just leave. You're just wasting your and everyone else's time.
This is my general experience. 95% of Yugi-boomer complaints and rants I hear come from people who don't even want to play the game. Maybe some of them played it for a brief period, but most just watched the anime or collected the cards in their childhood and never actually understood the game. They don't try to grow with the game, they don't try to find a way to play their own way, and they have the most disingenuous arguments against anything that's remotely different from what they thought they knew. It's hard to have a constructive conversation with many of them, because they don't understand any of the nuance the topic deserves. It feels like this video is acting like a large amount of them are actually constructive, but as someone who has been involved with this game the entire time, I can see the truth clearly.
The people who complain, just to complain, “karens”, are actually very few people. To say all yugiboomers are karens is false. The yugiboomers complain because there are genuine problems for how this game is not accessible to casual players like it used to be. the meta community is completely deaf to it. your suggestion for the casuals to leave is already happening for a long time, its not really a solution youve proposec either. Casuals exiting a fanbase is bad for everyone in that fanbase, and again, these casuals are not all 100% karens with invalid complaints, thats you conflating them into that group to attempt to invalidate their complaints.
IDEA... limit how many extra deck summons you can do a turn ? Maybe Max 2? I feel extra deck abuse might be the biggest problem? (maybe)
i'm both a yugiboomer and one that goes to locals and plays the game, and someone who greatly enjoys and appreciates the og anime and format, and also enjoys modern (albeit to a lesser extent)
thankfully, people at all the locals i go to in my city are super cool and inclusive, BUT online everyone is so mad all the time, calling out each other for the silliest and most minor difference in opinions
so ive had a few bed experiences at LGS for yugioh, mtg, i find yugioh way too hard sometimes and many players taking up to 25 mins to take a turn drives me nuts i stopped playing as the communtity where i am just faded over time, and last time was just bad a guy started loosing it as i wanted to read his card it was a full melt down. i agree with everything you said btw
I think that's why online has become so popular, probably will be the future of the game. No one wants to deal with these people lol
@@XSaberUruz I agree with you and I’ve had some similar experiences with other games but never quite as bad as Yu-Gi-Oh! A lot of inpatient players are a lot of people showing off lol at one tournament I did the police showed up because someone started a fight
I don’t like the game anymore because the cards I like don’t have the proper support to be fun to play competitively with, the power level gap between the decks I like that are fun and the top tier decks is far far too wide, I like Digimon tcg cause you can pretty much play anything and win, also I don’t like the aesthetic of the top tier decks either, I like the designs or things like the stardust, speedroid, phantom knight, predaplant, sharks, etc, I’m not really a fan of all the anime human(I like branded tho) cards doesn’t feel like I’m playing a game about monsters, and I personally dislike all of the cutesy op waifu cards, it’s just not my taste.
@@homieboyz1 I feel similarly, especially regarding the aesthetics
You don't need to reboot the game. Konami just need to create alternative format with Old Format (Time Wizard) or Less popular cards (maybe under 5% usage/winrate). This maybe difficult to do in paper. But we have Master Duel, they can just put a new menu and let the players finish daily mission there. They don't need hundreds of people to maintain the online mode. They don't need to spend money for competitive format. They also have the detailed data about cards's usage and winrate.
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But they don't create alternative format to play the game, and maybe never. As long as they still use the "P2W Strategy", we will only have 1 bulshit format. I have the explanation for this, but it is too complicated and I'm too lazy to write now.
Your community problem is a VERY vocal minority. The vast majority of people who like yugioh enough to play at locals or paper in general are very good people who are more than willing to lend cards and offer tips or general guidance to the point where among card games it's literally just what we do that most others don't and if they do, not to the same level. The problem with platforms like Master Duel is that those people generally gravitate to MD's format because the stupid toxic extremely anti-meta decks are allowed to exist there and literally nowhere else. That appeals to jaded "yugi-boomers" who scream about Syncros ruining the game while summoning Pachy or a Barrier Statue. Regardless, if your locals really is THAT toxic, your locals is not AT ALL the norm. I'm lucky and have THREE in my city and none of them are even remotely toxic despite sharing MAYBE 4 people across all three. There are people literally KNOWN in my greater area for playing sub tier-2 strategies and nonsense piles for no reason other than it's funny to see what happens when you go Round 1 in swiss against Snake-Eye or Fiendsmith Yubel and proceed to go X-4.
An extension here as well that applies to ANYONE with this sentiment, if you can genuinely say that this game is 20 minutes of solitaire then I WILL push back and say that this depends ENTIRELY on the level you're trying to play at. If you're gonna play online and ladder in Master Duel, then frankly, no shit it's solitaire if you're not gonna build for a competitive environment. Play hand traps, play board breakers, do SOMETHING to your deck building because there are PLENTY of cards that counteract that exact idea. If you want to play more casually, you're gonna have to go to locals or play an unofficial sim like Duelingbook or EDOPro or Nexus. The casual player base of yugioh simply isn't the majority anymore, however counterintuitive that seams and it shows in how the community talks about the game. And regardless, in ANY card game, the new sets are GOING to be designed around the competitive scene. There's no avoiding that and how it shapes the game. There are plenty of measures you can take to find and play with people who play at the level you want to play at, but if you wanna play casually you're gonna have to work a little harder. Yugioh is very unique in how competitive its larger player base is. Now, a lot of those players are still frankly very bad, and many of them will not take losing lightly. That's just the give and take of a competitive community.
The bigger discussion about the game's problems are largely kept semi-exclusive because a lot of the older and former players actively show that they simply lack understanding of the game's current issues when you sit at the table. The yugioh community has a really strange issue where we can understand ridiculous card interactions like Kaiser Colosseum and Nibiru but for whatever reason that ability to have nuance and segregation of topics and details disappears when talking about the larger state of yugioh. This community REALLY likes to mix the two VERY different conversations of "What are this game's problems?" and "What should this game be?". A LOT of the former players' points would apply to the second topic, but are utterly ridiculous in the first. We can talk circles around what yugioh SHOULD be all day, but at the end of the day there's a point where you have to just accept what the game is and decide if you like it or not and I think THAT upsets a lot of people because of how much they WANT to enjoy the game, and in some cases on all sides, fosters a sense of entitlement to one's own opinions being more correct than others. I generally like modern yugioh (Mulcharmies excluded) but it's simply dumb to act like the game is actually accessible the way a lot of people who suck at the game do.
One of the biggest elements to yugioh's accessibility is simply how competitive we are as a community. More so than other card games, a large portion of the yugioh community enjoys competing more than playing casual and that puts Konami in a no-win situation because the most they can reasonably do under the current structure is explain how each mechanic works at a basic level, but if you wanna play with other people, the only realistic way to do so with any frequency is competitively and that's a learning curve a LOT of people simply aren't willing to climb. Yugioh is a hard game. VERY hard. The floor of the game gets higher every year and because of how competitive the majority of the player base is, we tend to encourage an "adapt or die" mentality, however much we may try to retain players and bring old players back.
Frankly, yugioh is at a point in its game design where if we want to on-board new and/or returning players in any significant numbers, we as a community need to accept and advocate for yugioh to adopt set rotation. Set rotation is simply the only realistic way to lower this game's power level enough to make it accessible. The problem THERE is that a lot of people simply refuse to learn how set rotation works in other games and apply the logic to yugioh. People can't fathom the idea of multiple official and CURRENT formats and how beneficial it would be given the game's current state despite us having been advocating for alt formats for YEARS now. Yes, obviously, that'll generate its own problems eventually. BUT, the solutions to those problems are MUCH easier than fixing rarity distribution in the TCG.
If Konami does truly want this game to survive the next ten years in the west, they need to take drastic action IMMEDIATELY before the game state is irreparable. This game NEEDS to be handled better in literally every single way outside of Japan. Konami is very quickly running out of time, and *trust* from its player base to make, or at least show progress to, those much needed changes. I adore this game, and I want to keep playing it, but Konami is making many many wrong steps to keep its players.
Very glad to see videos trying to keep the conversations going though, cheers mate.
I agree that discussions around how the game ‘should be’ are pointless and we should focus on how it actually is, but at the same time, it seems to me you are totally downplaying how things actually are.
Super long turns for example, happen way more frequently now than they did in the past. If youre playing modern format, even the very bad rogue decks in silver or gold rank have very long combos that create solitaire-like turns.
I think your analysis doesn’t factor in that the yugioh casual base isnt the majority anymore because the game has been designed to push them away over time. Its false to act as if this shift was inevitable , konami created it by design. We’re going to see these more extreme examples of expensive UR cards that are shortprinted because konami has actively pushed away its casual playerbase to the point that only the sweats would buy this stuff.
Format shifts wont be enough to bring back yugioh to its glory, its dying cuz the powercreep is too high, the game is getting too complex for old players, theres no marketing funnel to attract new players. Konami is blatantly milking the cash cow, the players care more about this game than the company who owns it ever will
Its only the combo players who are like this, they are the main problem of YGO not getting better, just to keep it all for themselves. If you notice they have nothing but toxicity and animosity to players who want to slow down the game on their own like us playing things like stun, floodgates or Mystic Mine. I grew up with the Anime and LOB but after finally trying to replay the game again I was confronted with modern YGO. I learned the entire game by myself starting with Mystic Mine and adapted after the ban of this card with other control decks. The hatred and disrespect I encountered from parts of the community for my choice of playstyle is unreal, no other game has a community like this. And worst of all Konami only listens to these deranged people and many of them big youtubers and we see it on each banlists. They laugh at the casual fansbase but ounce these players discover Floodgates, Shifter or other Anti-meta strategies they go insane. Yep I cant be bothered anymore with this game, its a lost cause, just stop giving Konami any money and let these combo players pay all the insane prices which they deserve actually.
I play the meta and i play stun. I see people cry all the time when they lose to stun but i just laugh. The community just loves their combos and the feeling of consistency, they hate anything that ruins their plans for consistent wins, and konami ends up designing more omni-negates and banning more stun cards to let them combo. Stun isnt always insta-win either, its fair game if someone uses it honestly
Honestly this is sorta far from it, my case example Pendulum Magician in the TCG after Baronne and Appolousa hits, the deck literally stopped working, as Baronne was an endboard piece and a combo piece, currently you can't even resolve the main card of the archetype in the past(Double Iris Magician), the only way to resolve it now is using Ignister Providence or Tornado Dragon, this overall makes the deck not work.
I understand that 5+ negate boards aren't fun, but fragile boards aren't fun either, because you will get killed on the 2nd turn.
@@asafesseidonsapphire I mean mid range too, they are also combo at this point.
I'm personally a disillusioned yugiboomer. Ever since the great banlist split, Konami of America (KoA) has been getting progressively greedier with the english side of the game. even if a miracle happened and we started getting either a reboot or return to the old game's design, I wouldn't have interest in nu-old-yugioh unless it coincided with a return to the reprint and rarity parity that the OCG has. I have money, but I have money because I don't spend it frivolously. Juxtaposed against the OCG, endorsing the TCG with my business is just not a good value proposition.
It's like they're just pushing everyone into Master Duel at this point.
Rush Duels is the refined version of what Yugiboomers actually want but very few will ever admit that.
i thought i missed how the game used to be, until i learned the modern format through master duel. its a much different game now, but its still just as much fun now as it was back then, if not more with how interactive the turns are (depending on what you play, im looking at yall FTK decks LOL)
I made a new anime show and it's about the old Yu-Gi-Oh... Now I realize it might be Yugi boomer show 😅
I keep trying to play master duel but time and time again i get stumped by one of the new
Decks and i always wander why is it okey to make card's this powerful the game
Just leaves me frustrated every time i try.
I stopped playing around 2005ish. Got into Yugioh again recently because of the DM series. Watching the Japanese dub made me see the show in a different way and I got hooked to the franchise again.
Although, modern Yugioh can be very daunting and scary as that’s how I felt coming back into the fast paced game.
I would say a big cause of it are Yu-Gi-Oh videos being very negative. There are very few Yugi tubers out there that make positive content. For every one positive video. There's like 15 negative videos. I would say that would help. Talk about what you like about the game more then talking about what you hate about the game.
i think both sides can be toxic. i only call people yugiboomer if they complain how new stuff is bad (synchros existed for majority of the game's lifespan btw). i mean certain elements of modern yugioh can be bad but when people think what they experienced in playground is what yugioh shoulda stayed as, i think they just failed to grow. in the other hand dismissing someone for liking something other than what you like with insults is also childish
And if a new player is being awful, I just call them illiterate.
I think there is a way to recapture what yugioh use to make everyone feel without making the game overly simple again. I also think there's a way to do that parallel to the current game, so no one loses.
- I mostly see the toxicity from the current player base, personally. I also see a lot of people who feel personally offended if you criticize the current game, almost as if you're insulting them lol. Maybe some people out there just want to complain, but I think most people are just expressing something that a big chunk of a potential player base is feeling. That's valuable from a business standpoint.
I don't think the vast majority of people failed to grow. I think a lot of current players say that, but I don't think that's the case. I think there was just something the original IP had that has been lost, and there could be a lot of money involved in to trying to figure out exactly what that was.
You're opinion is not wrong or anything, it's fair and reasonable. This is just mine. Thanks for watching
@@four-en-tee yugioh is very complex yes but i've seen someone do the master duel tutorial and he mocking it about how complex it is. brother in christ if you cant get past that you have no right to make fun of anything. master duel tutorial is so bad because it barely explains anything. again it explains very little... you think thats complex? im pretty sure he just heard about people saying yugioh is too hard and thought thats the complex stuff. i bet he couldnt even figure out how to play uno
@@RaineBans I should've prefaced that that was a joke(?) I meant "new" in the context of a modern game player, so that may have been lost in translation as well. Y'know, the whole joke of "yugioh players can't read."
More to the point, I think what really hurt Konami was that they didn't introduce keywords or other symbols early on during either Duel Monsters or GX. Like, there's a reason why Magic the Gathering has a million keywords. Card text would otherwise be as bloated as Yugioh. Now pretty much every card has a paragraph written on them. And while I actually like to read believe it or not, its often a great hinderance.
Im proud Yugiboomer because :
-Old art style is WAY better, more clear, vibrant color design with egypt or occult themes. No st*pid random robots everywhere.
-Monsters before were monsters....
-i dont like paragraph of text on every cards and multiple effects on those modern cards.
-I love "modding" the rules of old yugioh to improve it, i didnt even test every cards it existed before, so why move on when something you have is working and you like it?
-I prefer old characters from the manga/anime.
(i started at 13, and im 34 today)
I tend to agree with most of your points. Thanks for watching
What do you mean no robots?
Mechanical chaser was the first ever chase prize card, being in the game longer than graceful charity. Barrel, blowback and gattling dragon are also ancient.
No archetypes full of lolis, food or plushies is more accurate. And even then I would say that there weren't archetypes full of them because they had a few of those since forever iirc.
@@younasdar5572 YES but nowadays its 50% robot 50% waifu (almost), back then it was 2% robot or 4% ?
@@younasdar5572 ancient for me is before 2004 (before GX)
@@younasdar5572 and mechanichal chaser looks like something, not the modern "power ranger" megarobot lol
Just because we have to deal with them doesn't mean we have to like them
you should count the times you have said "for one reason or another". I get your point, but its really irretaiting if you keep repeating the same point 4x in a row while on the same subject.
Welcome to my channel bud, that's what I do lmao
your experience with the community reminds me of some sports, its the same outside of games, its most of community of men in general, people are just mean and arrogant. Really shitty but its life and people are more and more selfish and ego centred
i'm clicking on this to dislike because you are wrong and catering to out of touch 40+ year olds is not in any way healthy for the game lol, the game was by a infinitely large margin the worst card game ever until they started expanding the extra deck mechanics
I appreciate you clicking the dislike, youtube sees likes and dislikes as the same when it comes to engagement so, I appreciate it. Comments also help, so I also appreciate that.
This video basically boils down to - Respect that other people might think different from you.
To me that's just catering to normal people with basic communication and social skills. Doesn't really mater the age lol. I just say what I think dude, idc who agrees or not and who it caters to or not.
In no way was the expansion of extra deck mechanics listed as a problem though? Like you didn't watch this at all, and you've fallen into the mental trap of disregarding and opinion based on ageism, which is exactly what this video is about 😂
@@Damn_Cat Kind of ironic lol
Leyley pfp detected, opinion OBLITERATED by Grandpa's Deck.
I mean lets be real...yugioh ended up as a f**kboy game because of the price gouging and 'showy display of wealth' aspect of the game 🤓... Also this games got too many mansplainy yuppies bruh... TY eternal format 🫤🤙TY yugiboomers! And No TY Tearelement yugigooners 🤮