After 57 years of motorcycling (so far, that is) I have to state that my Suzuki GSXR1000 K6 was one of the best, most user friendly bikes I have ever owned. The only reason that I don’t have it now is because I do far more touring now than ever and, quite frankly, I can’t bend my 74 year old body around a sports bike anymore!
I love how Japanese built crazy motorcycles within the approach of many and with absolutely 0 compromises on quality and reliability. Problem with the European manufacturers are their products are pretty much suits and serve a niche market. I am a Ducati fanboy by heart but know for sure my money will be on a Japanese brand.
In 2017 I raced a Superleggera and a factory kitted Suzuki gsxr1000 both bikes had its advantages but went faster with try Suzuki throughout the WERA season. Even had a chance to go heads up with Fabrice! Lol good guy, fast too! Tough part of racing those two different bikes was I had to run Pirelli tires and the Suzuki I ran Dunlop’s
The difference in the reviews here ("it's a scalpel and the Suzuki is a butterknife!") is that Motorcycle.com is full of advertising for motorcycle brands and Revzilla is not because they're already selling to you. I'm going to hazard a guess that Ducati does bigger ad buys than Suzuki.
It's seemingly become fashionable to rag on Suzuki's in the last few years and I thank you for not jumping on that wagon. I've owned a few and they've always been very good bikes. They build a very durable, user-friendly bike and I've always enjoyed all Zuks I've owned. Let's re-do this comparison with at least 50,000 miles on each bike. THEN compare costs. The delta will be WAY MORE than $22,000 when factoring in total cost of ownership.
@@treskilion-9690 : I think people are talking about the Gixxxer Squid term. They apparently don't get that term is aimed at a stereotypical type of biker; not the bike itself. I'm amazed so many people don't understand that.
@@treskilion-9690 the brunt of the displeasure with Suzuki is that they haven't been releasing as much or as advanced items. Note the segmented LCD screen while others have moved to full-color, higher res (more expensive, harder to see in bright light at times) TFT dash, the relatively late addition of motion-based driver aids, late introduction of ride-by-wire and, therefore, electronic cruise control. Suzuki has elected to be very iterative - and that's nothing new. The tendency is to keep any new platform that proves successful for a long time. This has just been exacerbated with the downtown of the economy and industry in the 2000s. So, no, not bad bikes. But the riding press gets the newest and latest, and Suzukis simply aren't that. I'd like to see Suzuki get into more partnerships that would give it more engineering/design flexibility. I doubt most lay people realize how much smaller it is than the rest of the Big 4.
@@treskilion-9690 because they are usually inexpensive, very accessible and therefore nothing to aspire for like an expensive European bike. Also gsxr seem to typically be kept in worse condition. I never see a ducati with spray paint and stickers or turned into a stunt bike and dropped without care.
Ducati looks good and sounds good but you are sitting two red cylinder heads, like sitting on toaster. My choice would be definitely the Suzuki for practicality and reliability.
@YLKb24 You pay for “exclusivity”. When I walk up to a bike meet I don’t stop and say wow look at that GSXR. No. I walk up to the Ducati’s, Aprilia’s, MV Agusta’s, shoot even BMW’s.
Great video I’m glad to see someone actually give kudos to Suzuki for a great bike they’ve built gsxr’s in general are very underrated and under appreciated motorcycles but yet give you a lot of bang for you 💵
Suzuki any day for me, only upgrade I would be Led blinkers and Akrapovič exhaust. Not to talk about reliability. When in 2 years parts will start to break on the Ducati, Suzuki would be like new, belive me I had 2 of them.
Keeping in mind, Suzuki won MotoGP last year with a standard inline 4 engine. All the hype and getting your butt cooked by a v layout bike may not be necessary. THe suzuki is just the better buy.
No denying the Suzuki and all other top manufacturers bikes out there are exceptional but its worth is relative. The V4R is the basis of a race bike. Want a cheap one, buy the V4 or the V4S. The R comes with titanium engine components and all manner of goodies that make it excel on track. Ive got a few bikes and I pick the V4R for the track everytime as it is exceptional. Worth every penny. Im not loyal to any one brand at all. I get what I like and enjoy them for what they are. I do have to say that the GSXR are a very underated bike.
My favorite thing to do on track is to eat Ducati v4 bikes for lunch on my 2017 gsxr1000r. That said mine has had about 6k in upgrades brakes, suspension, tune/exhaust and other little things. Slicks also make a big difference.
There are people shitting all over the Suzuki yet plenty of folks out there would kill to get their hands on a brand new GSXR. It's all a matter perspective. When you work on the dealer side of things, you stop caring about one brand vs another, particularly the brands you sell. When I worked at a dealer that carried the Big 4 Japanese brands, customers were either already loyal to one brand or they looked to me for advice on which was the best, the fastest, the most badass. You have to find a diplomatic way to explain that even the even a Ninja 400/R3/CBR500/etc was above their skill level, so what matters most is which one you like the look/fit/feel the most.
More than enough power, simplicity, good after sale support, cheaper maintenance, looks, customization options and HALF THE PRICE. Suzuki over Ducati without a doubt.
Expat Biker but money aside i like suzuki more for some reason i feel like they kinda old with their line up of bikes i like simple kinda old school stuff
I have an '18 GSX-R1000R, and it's the best bike I've ever ridden at any price. That said, I think it's disingenuous to say that the electronics are the same, or even close. They aren't. The electronics package, on the track, is where the Suzuki falls short. It's certainly not a limiting factor to my meager skills, but I have experienced ABS engagement when I didn't want it. And you can't disable the ABS through the electronics interface. And after installing steel braided lines (rubber lines were standard in '18), a Brembo M/C from a Yamaha R1, and pads that suit my preferences, it stops as well as anything else I've ridden. Do I think it's as good as the Ducati? I haven't ridden one, but if it were better, it wouldn't break my heart. $22k is a massive difference.
Could have gone with the standard Gixxer instead of the R model and dropped that price even further. Suzuki is certainly adept at hitting the bang for buck mark before you start getting rapidly diminishing returns.
I drove the Ducati for two days, and what he says about the heat is absolutely correct: my motorcycle shoes had signs of melting on synthetic parts and I had red bruises on the inside of my legs for 3 days because of the heat!!!!
It’s hotter when they just have v-twins. The v-twins are so overworked, you will feel vibrations and gets uncomfortably hot very soon. Perhaps that’s why they switched to V4, but then they the same issues haven’t been fixed significantly yet.
Suzuki for me too...thanks Troy S! Sylvian Guintoli with a S1000RR does an amazing job with an Akro exhaust system, new Ohlins shocks and a flash to rip up track days in the UK against BSB riders and everyday riders for a lot less than the Ducati. (SG is part of the Suzuki development team & former WSKB & BSB champ) I had a 959 Ducati and my nuggets were frying and that is why I moved it on to another bike.
It’s simple Ducati sold 53000 bikes and Suzuki sold 1.7 million bikes. This means Suzuki can spread cost much easier when buying in bulk. What you’re getting from Ducati is exclusivity, fit and finish. Status symbol. The gixxer is a run of mill bike for the masses. I’ve owned a cpl Honda’s (loved it) I’ve owned a cpl gixxers (loved them). I now own a V4 and love the bike.
Ducati are awesome but they have always been nut roasters and always will be! If you can handle the insane heat roasting you balls and legs you will love them, they ride great.
I rode a 2020 Ducati V2 a few weeks ago. Hated it. It was a cool late afternoon and I was hot. This thing will roast your balls. It wasn't smooth at all and found it uncomfortable. I ride a Triumph Street Triple. So they are very different animals. But I expected more from the Ducati.
The lack of heat mgmt at $40k is rediculous. You would hope Audi would address this. For track focused bike, my guess is you could buy many others preowned and put a little money to make something really good.
@@ampm9771 look at the impact on lambo tech from audi. You are obviously ruffled by the notion of audi owning ducati. Take a read. www.reuters.com/article/us-audi-ducati-m-a/audi-ceo-drops-plan-to-sell-motorcycle-brand-ducati-idUSKBN1E60UL
The wings actually make a difference at high speed though, but make fun of their looks all you want. Something like 85 pounds of downforce at 168mph, and even more when going faster
I agree, but most aren't near the level of the GSXR either. Hell, most "liter" bikes are now well beyond what most of us can handle, even some pros agree the assistance these bikes have is needed as VERY few can go all out on them w/o slipping up.
Not entirely. The electronics and extra stuff on the Ducati really helps someone that’s not as good a rider more than a high level pro rider. While still a large challenge it would be easier to be consistently fast on something like that over an older bike or something else that had less stuff.
I have to disagree with the comments that the Ducati is just to show status, I own a v4s and I couldn’t give a damn about status. The bike flat out is superior in terms of handling and finesse to other liter bikes. You have to ride both to understand but as noted in the video the Ducati is precise in its handling. It’s so drastic that it taken me a bit to even get used to. When I get back on my Yamaha I feel like it’s a massive effort to put it where I want. I am easily 15mph faster through canyon curves on the v4 compared to my Yamaha that has a major suspension overhaul. Part of the precision is likely due to the light forged wheels compared to the cast ones on my other bike as well as a full ohlins setup. Again though, is it worth an extra 22k worth is all in the eye of beholder. If I had to repurchase it again I would, I just wish I could had got it in black lol In full disclosure I know there are Ducatista douche bags abound that can’t ride and have it for the “status”.
The Suzuki is not only half the cost but two times a better proposition. I have owned both and can say this. The Suzuki is far better in the road application and the engine craps on the Ducati in real world riding. Certainly very decent on track. The Suzuki is surprisingly simple and easy to maintain and critically very reliable. Cant say the same for the Ducati. And aesthetically to me the Suzuki just looks the part no more no less. The Ducati is a paper tiger 🐯
The gsxr makes so much power early and all through the Rev range. What a special motor. It's got that wonderful Suzuki growl. I don't know if it's the VVT or gearing but it's a torque monster
I love how the italians claim 221hp with stock exhaust but get 186 to the rear wheel while the germans claim 205hp for the bimmer and get 196 to the rear wheel lol. Those italian dynos are very generous!
The DUCATI is 221 Hp at Crank , and Your Right I not sure if the figure are Right from certain company , DUCATI ? B.M.W German being German a fact is A fact should we say accurate , correct
Watch the revzilla on this. Except they used a 2005 gsxr. Made Ducati look like idiots. But hey if I was the ceo of Ducati and people wanted to pay that much I wouldn’t stop them
@Yirlani dave was not a race bike. Engine was totally stock. Had ohlinnes shock and fork rebuilt. Look up zack courts daily ride with Dave. It lists all the mods in the description. Most of them were just parts that need to be replaced on a 16 year old bike.
@@danlford That GSX-R's mod list reads like what a skilled track day rider/club racer would do to prepare a stock motorcycle. Add some bodywork, safety wire the important bits, and Dave is ready to go to work, competitively, in club racing. Can't overstate how big of a deal the suspension upgrades are in the hands of a quality track rider/club racer. You're literally talking about seconds on those two items alone. It would have been a more interesting comparison had they gone to the Suzuki dealer, bought OEM parts for their refresh, and ran it as the bike would have rolled off the showroom in 2005. A stock bike from 2005 beating a stock bike from 2020 would have been surprising. A stock bike from 2020 losing to a club racer class machine isn't surprising.
@@BTrain-is8ch still doesn't bode well that you would have to spend 30k on the duc then sink another 5k into it just to beat a 16 year old gsxr with 55k on the odometer when it quit working. I would venture a guess that the ducs stock suspension is as good if not better than Dave's.
@@danlford Bode well for what? 1000cc bikes are well into diminishing returns on performance. A factory WSBK costs 5-10x what the homologation bike it is based on costs and is only a couple seconds faster around a track. A GP bike is 20-30x more expensive than that factory WSBK bike and only a couple more seconds faster around a track. We're on the end of the performance curve where price tags start getting really big really fast. As for the suspension. The Ducati's shock is fine. The Ducati's fork needs attention out of the crate. Keep in mind that all of this depends on rider ability. A rider that's fifteen seconds off lap record pace isn't going to notice any of this or care. A rider that's within five seconds of lap record pace is going to notice in the first hard braking zone of a lap. A lot of these journalists are competent club racers (read: faster than 97% of their readers) In any case I don't think anyone is buying these things because they represent value for money. Superbikes are toys at best. Riding one on a public road is ridiculous and unless you have thousands of dollars worth of track day/racing/consumables budget each year you can't actually enjoy one.
even after you put a pair of ohlins and brembo kits on the gixxer, i think it wont even be close to 40k. so i'd take the gixxer, set it up nicely, and have a nice meal with the change. :)
I own both...actually, I have a 2019 Panigale V4 S. I bought a 2020 Gixxer 1000 R because it was on sale for $2K off, and included a slip on Yosh. If I had to choose one to ride daily, it would be the Gixxer. For status and fun (while roasting your balls off) I'll ride the Ducati. It's the best of both worlds for sure. I feel in the long run, the Gixxer will last longer and be less expensive to maintain.
Panigale V4 is sexier, faster, enthusiastic machine.. But GSXR is more about friendly sophisticated machine.. Long ride , short ride, city ride, track ride.. Suzuki machine will be more friendly.. From a begineer to expert, GSRX is much worthy.
the times are probably very very similar, its more about the feel. personally i ride a GSXR600 because i hate the low rpm torque most 1000s have, im pretty aggressive on the throttle.
I have owned 3 GSXR's..the first year 86' 1100 and 2 1000's and still love them..ultimately both of these and all the other bikes are all so fast nowadays its really who has the biggest set of balls that will take the bike(s) to their limits.
There's an old italian saying: 'Ducati, soldi buttati' - ' Ducati, wasted money'. Simply because the japanese motorbikes are so much more reliable. Ducati is like the BMW, stylish, modern, high tech, extremely expensive, premium feeling. But both will break down like there's no tomorrow, and will cost an arm and a leg to repair. Statistics say BMW breaks down at least 4 times more often than any japanese brand, and Ducati is just a little bit better.
Could you say “Delta” more? I own both and you should take the Gsxr-R, put a pipe, filter on it and send the cpu for a flash to Moore Mafia and if you want to, add some wheels. Golden.
Add a full system, ecu flash, and and some bst wheels. The price of the 1000r would still be way under the v4r and I think the 1000r would be just as precise as the Ducati make more power and still leave 15k ish in your pocket. But I do have to say the Ducati is beautiful and sounds awesome.
Those gsxr’s respond really well to a system and mapping. I’ve seen over 15 more bhp in the mid range alone. I think you guys in the states are limited more from stock than ours in the U.K. as well so you’ll probably see even more
There's only one answer to that question: Because Ducati CAN charge that much and people with more money than riding skills will pay any price to parade it up and down their main street
@@snupermoto723 ...and to be fair that wasn't the V4R, so if their hypothesis about the suspension was accurate it might not apply to this manual Ohlins setup.
Man, this guy is terrible. You are comparing a homologated, limited run hand built bike and a mass produced bike. You are missing the point. People who buy a v4r know it isn’t 20 grand better than the Suzuki. But they don’t care. And people buying a GSXR likely can’t afford a v4r anyway so would compare that to a Zx10r or something. This could have been a really interesting comparison on the difference in how these bikes make you feel. We know the specs, we know the suspension they have and the power outputs. Bring something interesting to the table. Waste of a good opportunity here. You didn’t tell us anything we don’t already know
It’s an easy choice! Buy the Suzuki as in real world conditions, out of the box, it’s faster than the Duc! For a couple of grand extra, put a full system not it, get the ECU flashed, and it will be quicker on the track than the Duc. However even stock and on the road 99.9% of riders wouldn’t be able to tell the difference! First gear alone can see you losing your license and making a donation to the police force... Great review, one I’ve been waiting for! 👍👍😎
The Japanese have struggled with braking on track for years. A couple laps in and the GSXR's lever is likely coming back to the bar. There's more pressing stuff on the list of things the GSXR needs to be a competent track machine.
BTrain5489 Exactly, couldn’t agree more with you. However, you are missing one vital part. We aren’t talking about track only machines here. These are road registered street bikes. On the road less than 0.00001% of all riders could get the most out of either. In real world conditions the Brembos on the Suzuki are more than required. On the road, your not going to be spending much, if any, above 10,000 rpm which in complete stock form the Suzuki makes more power and more torque than the Duc. However if you want exactly the same brakes as the Duc then you will still have plenty of cash left over....
@@marcusgeorge1825 A flat tip screwdriver can deal with a Phillips screw but it's not the right tool for the job. Same here. They're street legal but only just and that's very obviously not what these bikes were designed to do. A lot of the complaints I read about sport bikes seem like they're from people that don't seem to understand that Phillips screwdrivers exist.
BTrain5489 🤣🤣🤣. I raced, and owned both “equivalent” bikes several years back. I like the reference to the screw drivers (it was really bad). The MotoGP/WSB track in Australia (Phillip Island) was actually my home race track. So what I’m saying does come from knowledge. Both bikes are street legal. For racing purpose they are modified heavily anyway. Both of them. It’s just, out of the box one isn’t worth more than twice the other. You are paying for a brand name. So I suggest, unless you have been involved in building/racing an actual race bike then maybe reserve commentary. Stay upright and stay safe!
Great video sir funny that you did this because I have both of those bikes mine’s a 21 V4s and I truly like my Suzuki better around town as far and the comfort and it makes more usable power the Ducati just looks better it’s kind of like riding satins horse with all that heat that it produces 😄 just subscribed keep up the great work sir🙌
It's like comparing an IKEA to a mies van der rohe chair. You know some people appreciate the design and the way they are built even though on paper they are both chair.
@@car.gems. So you think Suzuki is a premium brand 😂 Everyone can afford a Suzuki but the fewest can afford a Ducati. Belive it or not that is what makes the difference between average and outstanding bike.
@@franco_0347 only thing the ducati is premium is the price and design. For the price it should perform a lot better and be a lot more reliable. I don't know about you, but I'm not expecting to buy a van der Rohe chair and having it breaking.
@J C Actually yes for example a Lambo costs twice as much as a Porsche. The performance and the interieur qualtiy is nearly the same. However the Lambo is more exclusive and rare. Now think about the bikes Ducati doesn't build bikes like that so everyone can afford them and drive them daily around...
I don't understand the obsession with the V4s and the V4R when the base model V4 is just as good. you have the same engine spec's and is just a little over 20 g and you still get more compared to the Japanese bike's no offense.
@@sergiosoto9224 To be honest I have a V4R but only because I have another bike for my daily use. If to have only one, it would have been an S and its better torque. I have never tried another Panigale V4 but the R so I'm unable to really point the differences except that the R is a freaking barbecue, even if the Akrapovic full line allows the engine to have a better cooling. It worth any calories burning my legs.
just commenced viewing but I am pretty sure its because one is produced in the hundreds while the other is in the tens if not hundreds of thousands. Great comparo Guys :)
One thing to note: the cheaper V4S makes more power everywhere except for past 14,500 than the V4R, before and after both being flashed. The V4R has a smaller 1000cc engine rather than the 1100 of the V4S in order for the bike to meet the rules of world super bike. The reason they have a higher rev limit on the V4R is to make up for the lesser CC’s, but the 1100 is a better engine overall (other than the heavier crank and flywheel) Edit you also say if you flash the gsxr it could maybe give the duc a run for its money, but flash both and it’d probably be the same difference it was pre flash. All new bikes should be flashed
@@haroldscott9525 ducati for posing? guess which riders are actually challenging Jonathan Rea in SBK. Suzuki riders? oh no Suzuki doesn't even have a SBK team. The answer is Ducati riders. Despite them not being as good as Rea they have the best bike (guess what bike... yes a POSING v4r) in the championship and are able to compete. Gixxers here in the comments can't even afford the carbon fiber parts of the Ducati lol
It's high power but at a cost of high operating heat levels. It's to the point where Ducati designed the bike to shutdown it's rear two cylinders in slower traffic speeds so it doesn't melt.
Looks like you have never owned any of those bikes, I don't think not even a bike. Let me trow it out there, what Lamborghini is expensive?? Is a Lambo Is a lambo Is a lambo. Really???
DUCATI, DUCATI , DUCATI ? 2nd Best KAWASAKI 10R 1st In Superbikes for the Last 6 years By the way in the real world Which Stock BIKE is Quickest Over 400 m , all bikes. No it not one the Little 1000cc No it has not had a update MOTOR in 8 Years , Still the Fastest over 400m It a KAWASAKI Zxr14r 9.7 to 9.8 all Day , By the way if you are saying Bullshit , well put your money where Your month is , go to the drags Bring your bike put it down the STRIP Put your bikes up against the 14r And find out , All THE QUICK shifters CRAP , LAUNCH CONTROL SAME HP . 50KG LIGHTER IT IS NOT A GOOD LOOK WHEN They get beat , What did the DEALER OFFER AS TRADE IN $ 6, OOO FOR THE BIG GIRL ON JOCKEY SIZE 1000CC , I Realise I would be TRADEING Down REGARDS MR KING KAWASAKI ( PS I BET WITH MONEY DRING UP AS CORVID AFFECTS WORLD ECONOMIES $ 20,000 IN YOUR POCKET WILL SEAM A BETTER BET )
Because of character .. things like breaking down a lot, needing to mortgage your house everytime you need a service, burning your legs while your riding it’s all character that cost money 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 there a joke that falls apart
@@MountainMetal Not ignorant at all, just a little exaggerated. Ducati sport bikes are much less reliable than Japanese super sports. That's not an arguable fact. They're also much more expensive to buy, maintain, and repair when things inevitably go wrong. Also not an arguable fact. And they run extremely hot, if you've ever ridden one you'd know that. Ducati makes amazing motorcycles but these things are simply undeniable 🤷🏾♂️
@@MountainMetal Firstly, don't presume to know what I've owned and what I haven't owned, you don't know me. And while you're actually correct in assuming that I haven't owned a Ducati, one of the guys I ride with most frequently has a 2016 Panigale 959 that I've ridden many times. And every single time it has cooked the hell out of my thighs. Also, it doesn't take owning a vehicle to know which ones are more or less reliable than others. That's a stupid notion. Research, word of mouth, and testimonials will tell you everything I've said is true. You're clearly uneducated or Ducati biased if you disagree with any of the well-known facts me or the op stated. I'm not hating on Ducati at all, I quite like them and might look into buying one someday, but these are just facts buddy. Educate yourself.
Agree!👍👍 but Ducati is much beautiful and top quality as components . At the end Ducati is a much smaller Company. Cost production is Higher for Ducati to have a Unique product. And the value is kept high a second hand. Suzuki value as second hand is Zero like all the Japan bikes
People love to hate Suzuki. They don't know why they just know others do so they must also. The gsxr is a beast I wonder which bike will start every morning
Ducati V4R is for pilot, gixxer is for everyone... And I think there's something wrong if you say that suzuki has more power than Ducati... I mean, suzuki engine is amazing but Ducati engine is another planet
This is a proper street review unlike so many reviewers who treat their “street reviews” as if they’re slow inconvenient tracks that they have to ride to get to their fast tracks.
I had a GSXR,I'm a massive fan,they've always been fantastic bikes but I've also owned Ducati's for years now,the V4R isn't worth $22000 more than the GSXR but the V4R a better bike,looks are subjective I know,but the V4 is absolutely beautiful,the GSXR is nice looking but not beautiful,the box section rear sub frame is not a thing of beauty.The V4R is a homologation special so it's probably at a disadvantage as a road bike.It depends how much premium you put on having a bike that's a "bit better" and has "Italian flair/character,this argument plays out the same with cars,is a Porsche worth $100,000 more than a Corvette,is a Ferrari worth $150,000 more than a Porsche?
@@mauserman8mm1 I’ve owned two Ducs. A Monster 900 and a 996 SPS (#361). I only had one thing go wrong. The fuel tank floater in the 996 got stuck once. Rode the piss out of them and they were dead reliable. Don’t believe the BS you read about Ducati. Get what you like, maintain it and be happy.
@@rodgt9057 man, i'm italian and i live like 20kms from the Ducati factory. There's no need to have owned a Ducati to know that it's more unreliable than any given japanese brand. It's a fact and statistics agree with me, just deal with it. It's not like owning one brand or the other, will overthrow the reality. I had a Kawasaki break down on me (Bosch ABS electronics) , but it's not like all kawasakis are crap, it's still one of the most reliable brands you can find.
If you don't own a Ducati or never have, then you'll never understand what it's like to own and ride one until you do. The Ducati community is a fantastic place between the Facebook groups, online forums, Ducati membership organizations, and many more where you can share so much information about the bike, tips learned, and solutions to problems that others may have seen. I can say without a doubt owning a Ducati is just another way of how you can express yourself and the type of person you are with how you treat your bike and it shows to the rest of the Ducati owners. For the video now, there are several points I think which were heavily overlooked. The biggest one being that the R is simply a homologation bike for WSBK, and always has been for the last 20+ years. You're getting something more unique than the standard or S models that neither can get and that's typically a completely different engine, which is different than what other manufacturers can claim like Yamaha with an R1M, BMW with the S1kRR M package, or the CBR-1000RR-R. These competitors all use the same engines with different trim and electrical options and that's just about it, which is close to what a V4S is to the standard V4. From 1103 to 998CC is a decent difference, enough to warrant the change of 2500+ top end RPM. The video also contradicted itself between what was being said about engine performance too, around 4:20 stating "you really need to wring it out" where they easily show it sitting happily in the powerband making more power than the GSXR does at 11k RPM. Sure it's one thing for the street and another for the track, but making less power on the street makes for a more ridable bike. The GSXR makes less power and requires more of a demand from its engine than the Ducati does, allowing the Ducati rider to have a smoother ride. You also did a pretty poor job at tallying up the differences and making an overall comparison. Countless times there was mentions of "The GSXR does this, but the Ducati does it better.." and yet you always seemed to side on the GSXR because of the cost. The premise of the video seems to be confused in of itself. Is this a buyers comparison guide or why the V4R really is better than the GSXR? I never felt like I received a solid answer and left me wondering if you knew for yourself either.
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After 57 years of motorcycling (so far, that is) I have to state that my Suzuki GSXR1000 K6 was one of the best, most user friendly bikes I have ever owned. The only reason that I don’t have it now is because I do far more touring now than ever and, quite frankly, I can’t bend my 74 year old body around a sports bike anymore!
You're too old be driving anything on the road in my opinion.
@@xusiaxod6255 - how many miles on a bike have you ridden over the past three years? For me it’s 24,000. Not bad for someone who’s too old to drive!
@@xusiaxod6255 it's upto him to decide whether to ride or not
@@xusiaxod6255so if you live that long and are still able to drive you won’t? Everybody ages, careful what you wish for.
@@seashackf1 I gave up my license at 70 for both bike and car and as an ADI, voluntarily. Otherwise as i got older, someone would end up dying.
I loved Ari and Zack's from Revzilla where a super old beat up Gixxer was faster on the track than the V4. Even with control tires
Maybe that's why this video doesn't show lap times , they're probably indistinguishable
Loved it also the euros are soo always looking down their noses at the Japanese bikes-
A 2005 GSX-R 1000 to be exact
A 2005 GSX-R 1000 to be exact
@@chadvalliere8697 with 55,000 miles
Last time I checked Ducati hasn’t won a Moto America title… Last time I checked Suzuki just won MotoGP title.
I love how Japanese built crazy motorcycles within the approach of many and with absolutely 0 compromises on quality and reliability. Problem with the European manufacturers are their products are pretty much suits and serve a niche market. I am a Ducati fanboy by heart but know for sure my money will be on a Japanese brand.
Suzuki all the way, not dissing the Ducati, but GSXR is a hell of a bike for the Price.
no bike should be more then 10k tops. nothing. Especially not a suzuki.
In 2017 I raced a Superleggera and a factory kitted Suzuki gsxr1000 both bikes had its advantages but went faster with try Suzuki throughout the WERA season. Even had a chance to go heads up with Fabrice! Lol good guy, fast too! Tough part of racing those two different bikes was I had to run Pirelli tires and the Suzuki I ran Dunlop’s
@@Lineage2ErtheiaPvP crazy talk. No bike? Even with super high end components? Gtfo.
@@Audfile you’re smoking crack bud....
Its a hell of a bike.. regardless the price
Both are amazing machines but at the end of the day I'll stick with the Suzuki not only for the overall cost but maintance expense also
yes but if you can afford the Ducati, the maintenance is not an issue...
That Ducati looks sexy as hell, but I’ll stick with my 1000r.
Oh no... Suzuki boys are about to become even more emboldened after the V4S vs K5 debacle at Revzilla..
Hyping up the Gixxer boys... Pretty soon they will claim their Gixxer 600rr is faster then Ducati V4S haha
@@HudsonMoto at any random track day a lot of them will be. 40k bikes tend to attract guys with more money than time who can't ride well.
The most fake comparison i ever seen.!!!!!
The difference in the reviews here ("it's a scalpel and the Suzuki is a butterknife!") is that Motorcycle.com is full of advertising for motorcycle brands and Revzilla is not because they're already selling to you. I'm going to hazard a guess that Ducati does bigger ad buys than Suzuki.
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It's seemingly become fashionable to rag on Suzuki's in the last few years and I thank you for not jumping on that wagon. I've owned a few and they've always been very good bikes. They build a very durable, user-friendly bike and I've always enjoyed all Zuks I've owned. Let's re-do this comparison with at least 50,000 miles on each bike. THEN compare costs. The delta will be WAY MORE than $22,000 when factoring in total cost of ownership.
I am very curious as to why people hate on Suzuki's so much. They make such excellent bikes.
@@treskilion-9690 : I think people are talking about the Gixxxer Squid term. They apparently don't get that term is aimed at a stereotypical type of biker; not the bike itself. I'm amazed so many people don't understand that.
@@Aberamentho2010 Yeah. I get poking fun at squids, but shaming the bike itself is a bit odd.
@@treskilion-9690 the brunt of the displeasure with Suzuki is that they haven't been releasing as much or as advanced items. Note the segmented LCD screen while others have moved to full-color, higher res (more expensive, harder to see in bright light at times) TFT dash, the relatively late addition of motion-based driver aids, late introduction of ride-by-wire and, therefore, electronic cruise control.
Suzuki has elected to be very iterative - and that's nothing new. The tendency is to keep any new platform that proves successful for a long time. This has just been exacerbated with the downtown of the economy and industry in the 2000s.
So, no, not bad bikes. But the riding press gets the newest and latest, and Suzukis simply aren't that. I'd like to see Suzuki get into more partnerships that would give it more engineering/design flexibility. I doubt most lay people realize how much smaller it is than the rest of the Big 4.
@@treskilion-9690 because they are usually inexpensive, very accessible and therefore nothing to aspire for like an expensive European bike. Also gsxr seem to typically be kept in worse condition. I never see a ducati with spray paint and stickers or turned into a stunt bike and dropped without care.
Because people are easily manipulated by marketing.
Yea, because it's "Ducati".
Ducati looks good and sounds good but you are sitting two red cylinder heads, like sitting on toaster. My choice would be definitely the Suzuki for practicality and reliability.
The Gixxer will always be the people's Superbike, so this is great comparison.
I thought the fireblade was the people's Superbike. Made more for the streets
The poor mans superbike
@YLKb24 You pay for “exclusivity”. When I walk up to a bike meet I don’t stop and say wow look at that GSXR. No. I walk up to the Ducati’s, Aprilia’s, MV Agusta’s, shoot even BMW’s.
I'm an R1 guy, but I've been eyeing that GSXR 1000R, for a bit...
You could buy two gixxers with enough money left over to convert one to a dedicated track bike...and pay for some track days.
Not only COULD you do that. But also what you SHOULD do.
Great video I’m glad to see someone actually give kudos to Suzuki for a great bike they’ve built gsxr’s in general are very underrated and under appreciated motorcycles but yet give you a lot of bang for you 💵
Suzuki any day for me, only upgrade I would be Led blinkers and Akrapovič exhaust. Not to talk about reliability. When in 2 years parts will start to break on the Ducati, Suzuki would be like new, belive me I had 2 of them.
Keeping in mind, Suzuki won MotoGP last year with a standard inline 4 engine. All the hype and getting your butt cooked by a v layout bike may not be necessary. THe suzuki is just the better buy.
They did win but the engine is anything but standard.
its a crossplane engine though
@@h2o628 Yup. I was pretty wrong. lol.
Ducati still fastest in motogp though
No denying the Suzuki and all other top manufacturers bikes out there are exceptional but its worth is relative. The V4R is the basis of a race bike. Want a cheap one, buy the V4 or the V4S. The R comes with titanium engine components and all manner of goodies that make it excel on track. Ive got a few bikes and I pick the V4R for the track everytime as it is exceptional. Worth every penny. Im not loyal to any one brand at all. I get what I like and enjoy them for what they are. I do have to say that the GSXR are a very underated bike.
Good point on the Ti components, the R is expensive for a reason and top of the 🌳.
My favorite thing to do on track is to eat Ducati v4 bikes for lunch on my 2017 gsxr1000r. That said mine has had about 6k in upgrades brakes, suspension, tune/exhaust and other little things. Slicks also make a big difference.
There are people shitting all over the Suzuki yet plenty of folks out there would kill to get their hands on a brand new GSXR. It's all a matter perspective.
When you work on the dealer side of things, you stop caring about one brand vs another, particularly the brands you sell. When I worked at a dealer that carried the Big 4 Japanese brands, customers were either already loyal to one brand or they looked to me for advice on which was the best, the fastest, the most badass. You have to find a diplomatic way to explain that even the even a Ninja 400/R3/CBR500/etc was above their skill level, so what matters most is which one you like the look/fit/feel the most.
More than enough power, simplicity, good after sale support, cheaper maintenance, looks, customization options and HALF THE PRICE.
Suzuki over Ducati without a doubt.
I would pick a gsxr over anything i like simplicity
My Multistrada is starting to have problems at 30k so I'm going to agree.
aluisious suzuki is really relieble
Because you're broke. Rich don't care about reliability.
Expat Biker damn that's right i never thought of that
Expat Biker but money aside i like suzuki more for some reason i feel like they kinda old with their line up of bikes i like simple kinda old school stuff
Lmao the 05 gsxr beats the v4r 🤣🤣 this review is so biased to the cost of the bike
ehheheheh
So true
I can't even afford the GSXR, so yeah
same here...
Buy used and keep looking you deserve it.
I bought a 1300 in 07 for 9k new I still have it I don't have a newer one because they are 14 to 19k my 07 rides just fine
@@brandonpittman5243 you lucky bastard
A bike is a bike.
I have an '18 GSX-R1000R, and it's the best bike I've ever ridden at any price. That said, I think it's disingenuous to say that the electronics are the same, or even close. They aren't. The electronics package, on the track, is where the Suzuki falls short. It's certainly not a limiting factor to my meager skills, but I have experienced ABS engagement when I didn't want it. And you can't disable the ABS through the electronics interface. And after installing steel braided lines (rubber lines were standard in '18), a Brembo M/C from a Yamaha R1, and pads that suit my preferences, it stops as well as anything else I've ridden. Do I think it's as good as the Ducati? I haven't ridden one, but if it were better, it wouldn't break my heart. $22k is a massive difference.
GSXR has been king since 2017 lets be honest!
Since K5
@@peterpedersen5668 truth
Since 2005 best street engine ever made
@@SystemAdministrator1 i agree
@@peterpedersen5668 👍
Could have gone with the standard Gixxer instead of the R model and dropped that price even further. Suzuki is certainly adept at hitting the bang for buck mark before you start getting rapidly diminishing returns.
No. No sense
The law of diminishing returns exemplified.
Bingo.
Yep
I drove the Ducati for two days, and what he says about the heat is absolutely correct: my motorcycle shoes had signs of melting on synthetic parts and I had red bruises on the inside of my legs for 3 days because of the heat!!!!
It’s hotter when they just have v-twins. The v-twins are so overworked, you will feel vibrations and gets uncomfortably hot very soon. Perhaps that’s why they switched to V4, but then they the same issues haven’t been fixed significantly yet.
Buy the GSXR, get it flashed, and ENJOY 😄👍
Just imagine throwing that 22 grand on Yoshimura jewelry ❤
Same thoughts 😅 Plus sets of gears
Suzuki for me too...thanks Troy S! Sylvian Guintoli with a S1000RR does an amazing job with an Akro exhaust system, new Ohlins shocks and a flash to rip up track days in the UK against BSB riders and everyday riders for a lot less than the Ducati. (SG is part of the Suzuki development team & former WSKB & BSB champ) I had a 959 Ducati and my nuggets were frying and that is why I moved it on to another bike.
It’s simple Ducati sold 53000 bikes and Suzuki sold 1.7 million bikes. This means Suzuki can spread cost much easier when buying in bulk. What you’re getting from Ducati is exclusivity, fit and finish. Status symbol. The gixxer is a run of mill bike for the masses. I’ve owned a cpl Honda’s (loved it) I’ve owned a cpl gixxers (loved them). I now own a V4 and love the bike.
Bro, fit and finish, Ducati's are infamous for how sloppy the "fit and finish is"
@@kelceyk8199 sounds like you’ve never owned one
Ducati are awesome but they have always been nut roasters and always will be! If you can handle the insane heat roasting you balls and legs you will love them, they ride great.
I rode a 2020 Ducati V2 a few weeks ago. Hated it. It was a cool late afternoon and I was hot. This thing will roast your balls. It wasn't smooth at all and found it uncomfortable. I ride a Triumph Street Triple. So they are very different animals. But I expected more from the Ducati.
The superbikes maybe, but some of the other bikes are fine. I rode my Multi to Vegas in July and as far as I know my parts still function.
aluisious yeah I meant the sportbikes :)
They only cook your balls if you ride slow
@@ausingtv My ZX14r still cooked my legs going 90+ on hot summer days.
The lack of heat mgmt at $40k is rediculous. You would hope Audi would address this. For track focused bike, my guess is you could buy many others preowned and put a little money to make something really good.
Also lack of fuel gauge...which suzuki has,even fuel used and how much is left
Firstly Audi has fuck all to do with Ducati. Secondly, V4R is built for racing, not rev bombing and harassing the elderly.
@@ampm9771 Audi owns ducati
And? what more does Audi have to so with Ducati?
@@ampm9771 look at the impact on lambo tech from audi. You are obviously ruffled by the notion of audi owning ducati. Take a read. www.reuters.com/article/us-audi-ducati-m-a/audi-ceo-drops-plan-to-sell-motorcycle-brand-ducati-idUSKBN1E60UL
Great comparison! I absolutely love the Ducati but I’d buy 2 great motorcycles instead of the V4R!
Exactly, or Great motorcycle and great car. Comparison is pointless. It's like compare Porshe with Ford RS
You can buy street fighter v4s and you will have fun in those bikes then a v4r with is basically made for the pro riders
Of course it's worth it. It's 11 grand per wing.
The wings actually make a difference at high speed though, but make fun of their looks all you want. Something like 85 pounds of downforce at 168mph, and even more when going faster
@@LS-oh8kv yes but its outwards downforce when you are cornering...that why you dont have spoilers on motorcycles...
Suzuki have always made fantastic engines
Most people even with the money, will not be at the riding level of that Ducati. That bike is to show your economic status.
I agree, but most aren't near the level of the GSXR either. Hell, most "liter" bikes are now well beyond what most of us can handle, even some pros agree the assistance these bikes have is needed as VERY few can go all out on them w/o slipping up.
Exactly this, pure status symbol. That’s the world we live in.
That is the fact.. very well said. I have owned both Honda & Ducati and only big difference i found is extra attention Ducati gets.
Not entirely. The electronics and extra stuff on the Ducati really helps someone that’s not as good a rider more than a high level pro rider. While still a large challenge it would be easier to be consistently fast on something like that over an older bike or something else that had less stuff.
I have to disagree with the comments that the Ducati is just to show status, I own a v4s and I couldn’t give a damn about status. The bike flat out is superior in terms of handling and finesse to other liter bikes. You have to ride both to understand but as noted in the video the Ducati is precise in its handling. It’s so drastic that it taken me a bit to even get used to. When I get back on my Yamaha I feel like it’s a massive effort to put it where I want. I am easily 15mph faster through canyon curves on the v4 compared to my Yamaha that has a major suspension overhaul. Part of the precision is likely due to the light forged wheels compared to the cast ones on my other bike as well as a full ohlins setup. Again though, is it worth an extra 22k worth is all in the eye of beholder. If I had to repurchase it again I would, I just wish I could had got it in black lol
In full disclosure I know there are Ducatista douche bags abound that can’t ride and have it for the “status”.
The Suzuki is not only half the cost but two times a better proposition. I have owned both and can say this. The Suzuki is far better in the road application and the engine craps on the Ducati in real world riding. Certainly very decent on track.
The Suzuki is surprisingly simple and easy to maintain and critically very reliable. Cant say the same for the Ducati.
And aesthetically to me the Suzuki just looks the part no more no less. The Ducati is a paper tiger 🐯
The gsxr makes so much power early and all through the Rev range. What a special motor. It's got that wonderful Suzuki growl. I don't know if it's the VVT or gearing but it's a torque monster
45 tooth stock rear sprocket does help Suzuki and always has. Even back in 2005
I love how the italians claim 221hp with stock exhaust but get 186 to the rear wheel while the germans claim 205hp for the bimmer and get 196 to the rear wheel lol. Those italian dynos are very generous!
The DUCATI is 221 Hp at Crank , and
Your Right I not sure if the figure are
Right from certain company , DUCATI ?
B.M.W German being German a fact is
A fact should we say accurate , correct
I would have loved to see the lap times. I bet they were on par.
Watch the revzilla on this. Except they used a 2005 gsxr. Made Ducati look like idiots. But hey if I was the ceo of Ducati and people wanted to pay that much I wouldn’t stop them
@Yirlani dave was not a race bike. Engine was totally stock. Had ohlinnes shock and fork rebuilt. Look up zack courts daily ride with Dave. It lists all the mods in the description. Most of them were just parts that need to be replaced on a 16 year old bike.
@@danlford That GSX-R's mod list reads like what a skilled track day rider/club racer would do to prepare a stock motorcycle. Add some bodywork, safety wire the important bits, and Dave is ready to go to work, competitively, in club racing. Can't overstate how big of a deal the suspension upgrades are in the hands of a quality track rider/club racer. You're literally talking about seconds on those two items alone.
It would have been a more interesting comparison had they gone to the Suzuki dealer, bought OEM parts for their refresh, and ran it as the bike would have rolled off the showroom in 2005. A stock bike from 2005 beating a stock bike from 2020 would have been surprising. A stock bike from 2020 losing to a club racer class machine isn't surprising.
@@BTrain-is8ch still doesn't bode well that you would have to spend 30k on the duc then sink another 5k into it just to beat a 16 year old gsxr with 55k on the odometer when it quit working. I would venture a guess that the ducs stock suspension is as good if not better than Dave's.
@@danlford Bode well for what? 1000cc bikes are well into diminishing returns on performance. A factory WSBK costs 5-10x what the homologation bike it is based on costs and is only a couple seconds faster around a track. A GP bike is 20-30x more expensive than that factory WSBK bike and only a couple more seconds faster around a track. We're on the end of the performance curve where price tags start getting really big really fast.
As for the suspension. The Ducati's shock is fine. The Ducati's fork needs attention out of the crate. Keep in mind that all of this depends on rider ability. A rider that's fifteen seconds off lap record pace isn't going to notice any of this or care. A rider that's within five seconds of lap record pace is going to notice in the first hard braking zone of a lap. A lot of these journalists are competent club racers (read: faster than 97% of their readers)
In any case I don't think anyone is buying these things because they represent value for money. Superbikes are toys at best. Riding one on a public road is ridiculous and unless you have thousands of dollars worth of track day/racing/consumables budget each year you can't actually enjoy one.
Lets say you had 40,000 dollars and you had to spend all of it on one of the bikes, would you rather build an insane gsxr or have the ducati instead.
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even after you put a pair of ohlins and brembo kits on the gixxer, i think it wont even be close to 40k. so i'd take the gixxer, set it up nicely, and have a nice meal with the change. :)
Ducati.
Can I build the GSX-R with ~$7k of parts and then save $15k for tires, maintenance and crash damage/spares? If so I'll take it over the Ducati.
Suzuki all day everyday !
GSXR cannot be broken so quickly, I speak from experience, thank you 👍 # 156 👍
You broke V4R Ljubo?
Unfortunately many new ones have electronics problems.
Even k5 still have good condition and good sharp handling, something special thing that have in japanese machine, the reliable of engine
@@haziqariffin9866 who told you that V4R dont have reliable engine, where are we, in '90?
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I own both...actually, I have a 2019 Panigale V4 S. I bought a 2020 Gixxer 1000 R because it was on sale for $2K off, and included a slip on Yosh. If I had to choose one to ride daily, it would be the Gixxer. For status and fun (while roasting your balls off) I'll ride the Ducati. It's the best of both worlds for sure. I feel in the long run, the Gixxer will last longer and be less expensive to maintain.
Panigale V4 is sexier, faster, enthusiastic machine..
But GSXR is more about friendly sophisticated machine.. Long ride , short ride, city ride, track ride.. Suzuki machine will be more friendly.. From a begineer to expert, GSRX is much worthy.
Suzuki rules! That bike will never break. The Duke is a ticking time bomb though..
All this delta talk and you can’t even quantify it by providing us a few lap times to really see what the $22k delta gets you.
Read the story at motorcycle.com. He explains that.
Definitely the Ducati is faster no questions is a monster, but like I said in my comment I rather have the Gixxer because of the reliability
the times are probably very very similar, its more about the feel. personally i ride a GSXR600 because i hate the low rpm torque most 1000s have, im pretty aggressive on the throttle.
Ducatti have some fucking balls to sell motorcycles at this price, when his technology is not enough to give them moto gp championships
Italian Design with Japanese reliability.....Dream combo
By the end of the day, buy the bike that makes you happy.
So... All of 'em?
@@TanmayChhatbar if you can buy all of them why not?
konichiwa
Suzuki been getting podiums lately in moto gp. Gixxer fan for life!
If Suzuki made a $40K bike, it would beat the snot out of that Ducati.
Plenty of money left to tune and mod the heck out of the Suzuki.
I have owned 3 GSXR's..the first year 86' 1100 and 2 1000's and still love them..ultimately both of these and all the other bikes are all so fast nowadays its really who has the biggest set of balls that will take the bike(s) to their limits.
These bikes used to be 11k and they still weren't any slower than they are now.
can get them for £3k used, given they are so reliable its a pretty safe buy.
There's an old italian saying: 'Ducati, soldi buttati' - ' Ducati, wasted money'. Simply because the japanese motorbikes are so much more reliable. Ducati is like the BMW, stylish, modern, high tech, extremely expensive, premium feeling. But both will break down like there's no tomorrow, and will cost an arm and a leg to repair. Statistics say BMW breaks down at least 4 times more often than any japanese brand, and Ducati is just a little bit better.
not saying your wrong, but I've owned two Ducati's for the last 8 years, total break downs amounted to a blown tag lamp bulb. ymmv
Could you say “Delta” more?
I own both and you should take the Gsxr-R, put a pipe, filter on it and send the cpu for a flash to Moore Mafia and if you want to, add some wheels. Golden.
Add a full system, ecu flash, and and some bst wheels. The price of the 1000r would still be way under the v4r and I think the 1000r would be just as precise as the Ducati make more power and still leave 15k ish in your pocket. But I do have to say the Ducati is beautiful and sounds awesome.
Those gsxr’s respond really well to a system and mapping. I’ve seen over 15 more bhp in the mid range alone. I think you guys in the states are limited more from stock than ours in the U.K. as well so you’ll probably see even more
I almost found neutral a few minutes ago. It was dang close but the stoplight turned green :D
There's only one answer to that question: Because Ducati CAN charge that much and people with more money than riding skills will pay any price to parade it up and down their main street
little bird told me the Gixxer's faster, hmmmm.
I trust Ari
...but it's not the legendary K5.
@@Joric78 Correct. edit - little bird told me the 15 year old Gixxer's fster.
@@snupermoto723 ...and to be fair that wasn't the V4R, so if their hypothesis about the suspension was accurate it might not apply to this manual Ohlins setup.
Come on dude, they're not that hot. Especially when your moving. The heat kit that's available will help.
Man, this guy is terrible.
You are comparing a homologated, limited run hand built bike and a mass produced bike. You are missing the point. People who buy a v4r know it isn’t 20 grand better than the Suzuki. But they don’t care. And people buying a GSXR likely can’t afford a v4r anyway so would compare that to a Zx10r or something. This could have been a really interesting comparison on the difference in how these bikes make you feel. We know the specs, we know the suspension they have and the power outputs. Bring something interesting to the table.
Waste of a good opportunity here. You didn’t tell us anything we don’t already know
Ducati : looks,sounds,goes smoothly 'n' beautiful
Costs,speeds,revs awful
Suzuki:looks awful
Speeds,costs,revs,brakes,rides,
Handles beautiful so
Suzuki is the winner
It’s an easy choice! Buy the Suzuki as in real world conditions, out of the box, it’s faster than the Duc! For a couple of grand extra, put a full system not it, get the ECU flashed, and it will be quicker on the track than the Duc. However even stock and on the road 99.9% of riders wouldn’t be able to tell the difference! First gear alone can see you losing your license and making a donation to the police force... Great review, one I’ve been waiting for! 👍👍😎
The Japanese have struggled with braking on track for years. A couple laps in and the GSXR's lever is likely coming back to the bar. There's more pressing stuff on the list of things the GSXR needs to be a competent track machine.
BTrain5489 Exactly, couldn’t agree more with you. However, you are missing one vital part. We aren’t talking about track only machines here. These are road registered street bikes. On the road less than 0.00001% of all riders could get the most out of either. In real world conditions the Brembos on the Suzuki are more than required. On the road, your not going to be spending much, if any, above 10,000 rpm which in complete stock form the Suzuki makes more power and more torque than the Duc. However if you want exactly the same brakes as the Duc then you will still have plenty of cash left over....
@@marcusgeorge1825 A flat tip screwdriver can deal with a Phillips screw but it's not the right tool for the job. Same here. They're street legal but only just and that's very obviously not what these bikes were designed to do.
A lot of the complaints I read about sport bikes seem like they're from people that don't seem to understand that Phillips screwdrivers exist.
BTrain5489 🤣🤣🤣. I raced, and owned both “equivalent” bikes several years back. I like the reference to the screw drivers (it was really bad). The MotoGP/WSB track in Australia (Phillip Island) was actually my home race track. So what I’m saying does come from knowledge. Both bikes are street legal. For racing purpose they are modified heavily anyway. Both of them. It’s just, out of the box one isn’t worth more than twice the other. You are paying for a brand name. So I suggest, unless you have been involved in building/racing an actual race bike then maybe reserve commentary. Stay upright and stay safe!
Reading about it is one thing, doing it is like chalk and cheese. A bit like your screw drivers...
Great video sir funny that you did this because I have both of those bikes mine’s a 21 V4s and I truly like my Suzuki better around town as far and the comfort and it makes more usable power the Ducati just looks better it’s kind of like riding satins horse with all that heat that it produces 😄 just subscribed keep up the great work sir🙌
It's like comparing an IKEA to a mies van der rohe chair. You know some people appreciate the design and the way they are built even though on paper they are both chair.
being the ducati the ikea chair right?
@@car.gems. So you think Suzuki is a premium brand 😂
Everyone can afford a Suzuki but the fewest can afford a Ducati.
Belive it or not that is what makes the difference between average and outstanding bike.
@@franco_0347 only thing the ducati is premium is the price and design. For the price it should perform a lot better and be a lot more reliable. I don't know about you, but I'm not expecting to buy a van der Rohe chair and having it breaking.
@J C Actually yes for example a Lambo costs twice as much as a Porsche.
The performance and the interieur qualtiy is nearly the same.
However the Lambo is more exclusive and rare.
Now think about the bikes
Ducati doesn't build bikes like that so everyone can afford them and drive them daily around...
You are moron! Ducati is like a Harley, its a rubbish product backed by very good marketing.
I don't understand the obsession with the V4s and the V4R when the base model V4 is just as good. you have the same engine spec's and is just a little over 20 g and you still get more compared to the Japanese bike's no offense.
Sergio, be serious. You can't have an Italian name and ignore the HUGE differences between the V4 or V4S and the V4R engine...
Look I do have a base model v4, you just pushing ducati dealers narrative it may be a different but is not huge greetings
@@sergiosoto9224 To be honest I have a V4R but only because I have another bike for my daily use. If to have only one, it would have been an S and its better torque. I have never tried another Panigale V4 but the R so I'm unable to really point the differences except that the R is a freaking barbecue, even if the Akrapovic full line allows the engine to have a better cooling. It worth any calories burning my legs.
So, for the same money, or less, you could buy two brand new Suzkukis, raise hell with a friend, and still afford fuel for both of them?
just commenced viewing but I am pretty sure its because one is produced in the hundreds while the other is in the tens if not hundreds of thousands. Great comparo Guys :)
Marketing 101: "Sure, the Ducati is very expensive. But...YOU're worth it!"
One thing to note: the cheaper V4S makes more power everywhere except for past 14,500 than the V4R, before and after both being flashed. The V4R has a smaller 1000cc engine rather than the 1100 of the V4S in order for the bike to meet the rules of world super bike. The reason they have a higher rev limit on the V4R is to make up for the lesser CC’s, but the 1100 is a better engine overall (other than the heavier crank and flywheel)
Edit you also say if you flash the gsxr it could maybe give the duc a run for its money, but flash both and it’d probably be the same difference it was pre flash. All new bikes should be flashed
*laughs in zack and ari comparison video*
I did mention those two, but that footage got left on the cutting room floor. :)
Suzuki is more reliable than ducati...
Mate anything is more reliable than Ducati’s 😂😂😂
Gsxr b not KTM!
TheImtoomuch I’ve owned 3 KTMs with no problems 🤷♂️
Paul Holzmann buy a lotto ticket ASAP
@@ur2slob724 I’ve owned 6 KTM’s for the road and raced many motox, supermoto and enduro KTM’s with no problems..how many have you owned?
For the same reason a Lambo costs as much as 25 Mazdas... What a stupid question...
I was going to write something similar... Good catch! Stupid question...
SUZUKI POWER.. just have to coax it out of the restrictions.. SUZUKI all the way..
I might be wrong but shouldn't you compare Ducati v4 standard version to Suzuki gsxr1000 ,the price gap isn't all that much.
Where are the lap times?
Track times ?
Gixxer, flash, full system, carbon parts, grippy rear sets, levers.... Kreiga,, all set...
But it will still be a GSXR. Nothing more.
@@bloodysinner9456 yeah but some people care more about riding than posing and don't need the more "special" bike
@@bloodysinner9456 That's the beauty of it, it will still be faster than most bikes to reach the road legal speeds..
@@bloodysinner9456 yep. That's the best part!
@@haroldscott9525 ducati for posing? guess which riders are actually challenging Jonathan Rea in SBK. Suzuki riders? oh no Suzuki doesn't even have a SBK team. The answer is Ducati riders. Despite them not being as good as Rea they have the best bike (guess what bike... yes a POSING v4r) in the championship and are able to compete. Gixxers here in the comments can't even afford the carbon fiber parts of the Ducati lol
Ducati's performance EXTREMELY disappoints me... and that heat... I mean, WTF...
It's high power but at a cost of high operating heat levels. It's to the point where Ducati designed the bike to shutdown it's rear two cylinders in slower traffic speeds so it doesn't melt.
The reasons why ducati is expnsive than suzuki:-
-Its a ducati
-Its a ducati
-Its a ducati
And,yes its a ducati
Looks like you have never owned any of those bikes, I don't think not even a bike. Let me trow it out there, what Lamborghini is expensive??
Is a Lambo
Is a lambo
Is a lambo.
Really???
DUCATI, DUCATI , DUCATI ?
2nd Best
KAWASAKI 10R 1st
In Superbikes for the Last
6 years
By the way in the real world
Which Stock BIKE is Quickest
Over 400 m , all bikes.
No it not one the Little 1000cc
No it has not had a update MOTOR in
8 Years , Still the Fastest over 400m
It a KAWASAKI Zxr14r 9.7 to 9.8 all
Day , By the way if you are saying
Bullshit , well put your money where
Your month is , go to the drags
Bring your bike put it down the STRIP
Put your bikes up against the 14r
And find out , All THE QUICK shifters
CRAP , LAUNCH CONTROL SAME
HP . 50KG LIGHTER IT IS NOT A
GOOD LOOK WHEN They get beat , What did the
DEALER OFFER AS TRADE IN $ 6, OOO
FOR THE BIG GIRL ON JOCKEY SIZE
1000CC , I Realise I would be TRADEING
Down
REGARDS MR KING KAWASAKI
( PS I BET WITH MONEY DRING
UP AS CORVID AFFECTS WORLD
ECONOMIES $ 20,000 IN YOUR
POCKET WILL SEAM A BETTER
BET )
Im a asian 18 year old boy...I live in such a country where the bike cost 3 times more than it costs in us@@9GSR
For the price difference between the two you can upgrade the gsxr even more and still have some change left over
*This guys low-key roasted Ducati 😂😂*
Because of character .. things like breaking down a lot, needing to mortgage your house everytime you need a service, burning your legs while your riding it’s all character that cost money 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 there a joke that falls apart
BS. Ignorant post.
@@MountainMetal Not ignorant at all, just a little exaggerated. Ducati sport bikes are much less reliable than Japanese super sports. That's not an arguable fact. They're also much more expensive to buy, maintain, and repair when things inevitably go wrong. Also not an arguable fact. And they run extremely hot, if you've ever ridden one you'd know that. Ducati makes amazing motorcycles but these things are simply undeniable 🤷🏾♂️
@@stronggeek1 You've never owned any Ducatis.
I have. You sound ridiculous.
@@MountainMetal Firstly, don't presume to know what I've owned and what I haven't owned, you don't know me. And while you're actually correct in assuming that I haven't owned a Ducati, one of the guys I ride with most frequently has a 2016 Panigale 959 that I've ridden many times. And every single time it has cooked the hell out of my thighs. Also, it doesn't take owning a vehicle to know which ones are more or less reliable than others. That's a stupid notion. Research, word of mouth, and testimonials will tell you everything I've said is true. You're clearly uneducated or Ducati biased if you disagree with any of the well-known facts me or the op stated. I'm not hating on Ducati at all, I quite like them and might look into buying one someday, but these are just facts buddy. Educate yourself.
@@stronggeek1 You are obsessed.
Agree!👍👍 but Ducati is much beautiful and top quality as components . At the end Ducati is a much smaller Company. Cost production is Higher for Ducati to have a Unique product. And the value is kept high a second hand. Suzuki value as second hand is Zero like all the Japan bikes
People love to hate Suzuki. They don't know why they just know others do so they must also. The gsxr is a beast
I wonder which bike will start every morning
As the owner of one, I still admire the other.
Ducati V4R is for pilot, gixxer is for everyone... And I think there's something wrong if you say that suzuki has more power than Ducati... I mean, suzuki engine is amazing but Ducati engine is another planet
Having owned a V4R, and have test driven a GSXR 1000RR, I'd be perfectly happy with the GSXR , especially since most of my riding is street.
This is a proper street review unlike so many reviewers who treat their “street reviews” as if they’re slow inconvenient tracks that they have to ride to get to their fast tracks.
The new S1000RR would make for a better comparison compared to the Suzuki
Facts
A better unreliable comparison :)
Its simple, at a party you bring ducati, girls comes, you bring suzuki, boys comes :)
I bought my v4 base used with only 2800 miles on it for 17k flat. I'd take that any day over a brand new gsxr
The Suzuki appeared to be about 10hp ahead up until the governor kicks in around 11k rpm...
I had a GSXR,I'm a massive fan,they've always been fantastic bikes but I've also owned Ducati's for years now,the V4R isn't worth $22000 more than the GSXR but the V4R a better bike,looks are subjective I know,but the V4 is absolutely beautiful,the GSXR is nice looking but not beautiful,the box section rear sub frame is not a thing of beauty.The V4R is a homologation special so it's probably at a disadvantage as a road bike.It depends how much premium you put on having a bike that's a "bit better" and has "Italian flair/character,this argument plays out the same with cars,is a Porsche worth $100,000 more than a Corvette,is a Ferrari worth $150,000 more than a Porsche?
I have the Suzuki Gsxr1000r just hit 2000 miles it's fantastic bike 🏍
Ducati is beautiful but unreliable, expensive. I stick with Japanese bikes and spend the rest on my mortgage or use it for traveling.
Unreliable? This is not a Ducati from the 90's
rodgt90 yep you’re right they were worse then nowadays they still have a 40%failure rate where as suzuki is 11% just like Honda
@@mauserman8mm1 how many ducatis have you owned?
@@mauserman8mm1 I’ve owned two Ducs. A Monster 900 and a 996 SPS (#361). I only had one thing go wrong. The fuel tank floater in the 996 got stuck once. Rode the piss out of them and they were dead reliable. Don’t believe the BS you read about Ducati. Get what you like, maintain it and be happy.
@@rodgt9057 man, i'm italian and i live like 20kms from the Ducati factory. There's no need to have owned a Ducati to know that it's more unreliable than any given japanese brand. It's a fact and statistics agree with me, just deal with it. It's not like owning one brand or the other, will overthrow the reality. I had a Kawasaki break down on me (Bosch ABS electronics) , but it's not like all kawasakis are crap, it's still one of the most reliable brands you can find.
If you don't own a Ducati or never have, then you'll never understand what it's like to own and ride one until you do. The Ducati community is a fantastic place between the Facebook groups, online forums, Ducati membership organizations, and many more where you can share so much information about the bike, tips learned, and solutions to problems that others may have seen. I can say without a doubt owning a Ducati is just another way of how you can express yourself and the type of person you are with how you treat your bike and it shows to the rest of the Ducati owners.
For the video now, there are several points I think which were heavily overlooked. The biggest one being that the R is simply a homologation bike for WSBK, and always has been for the last 20+ years. You're getting something more unique than the standard or S models that neither can get and that's typically a completely different engine, which is different than what other manufacturers can claim like Yamaha with an R1M, BMW with the S1kRR M package, or the CBR-1000RR-R. These competitors all use the same engines with different trim and electrical options and that's just about it, which is close to what a V4S is to the standard V4. From 1103 to 998CC is a decent difference, enough to warrant the change of 2500+ top end RPM. The video also contradicted itself between what was being said about engine performance too, around 4:20 stating "you really need to wring it out" where they easily show it sitting happily in the powerband making more power than the GSXR does at 11k RPM. Sure it's one thing for the street and another for the track, but making less power on the street makes for a more ridable bike. The GSXR makes less power and requires more of a demand from its engine than the Ducati does, allowing the Ducati rider to have a smoother ride. You also did a pretty poor job at tallying up the differences and making an overall comparison. Countless times there was mentions of "The GSXR does this, but the Ducati does it better.." and yet you always seemed to side on the GSXR because of the cost.
The premise of the video seems to be confused in of itself. Is this a buyers comparison guide or why the V4R really is better than the GSXR? I never felt like I received a solid answer and left me wondering if you knew for yourself either.