The $16,500 Challenge: 2020 Ducati Panigale V2 vs. 2019 Honda CBR1000RR
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ย. 2024
- The title of this story pretty much sums it all, doesn’t it? Today’s flagship literbikes are getting increasingly expensive, putting them out of the realm of all but the most well off among us. So, let’s look at sportbikes at the lower end of the price scale, shall we? Mainly the Ducati Panigale V2. Ducati’s last V-Twin sportbike, the super-mid comes in at 955cc and $16,500 (well, $16,495 at the time I’m writing this) and the 2019 Honda CBR1000RR. Coming in at $16,499, the Double-R is the base version of Honda’s superbike we in America will be getting alongside the pirate-approved CBR1000RR-R SP; and yes, it’s officially a 2019 model being carried over into 2020. With price tags so close, it only made sense to put these two against each other to see which offers more bang for the buck.
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I would like to preface my comments on the fact that I am a proud owner of an RR and V2. Now lets get after it. I am completely turned off by the numbers game. The RR does what it does-it's smooth and fast. The V2 is why people go outside to watch a crazy lightning storm, that they hope won't hurt them! This is where I digress. If we go down the numbers game, of course the Ducati will not match up. Each bike evokes an emotion, and that is what should be evaluated, not just in this review, but in most. Sure the RR is slightly faster than the V2, but who cares? The V2 is gorgeous, and always sounds angry-like you insulted its family. The Honda is like your big brother, you could always rely on in a street fight. The point being, all of these "journalists" who drag a knee think they have it all figured out. Both of these bikes bring a smile to my face for different reasons. The hell with the numbers! Stop saying what everyone else says, and tell a story!
Hey. How is the heat from the Ducati V2? Three years ago I test-rode a 959 Panigale. It was 45° Fahrenheit outside, but that bike got so hot that it felt like someone was shooting a flame thrower directly at my balls! I couldn't take it, but the sound of that engine frightened me in a beautiful way. I couldn't stop thinking about that engine. The videos don't do it justice.
Ducati is the alfa romeo of bikes, its all about passion,looks history. You buy a bike like that to put a smile on your face everytime you drive or just look at it.
Ducati is the Ferrari of bikes
Somewhere over the 🌈 you did not just say Honda is the Alfa Romeo of all bikes
You won’t be smiling while your nuts get roasted in traffic, or when you’re on the side of the road, or when you’re waiting months for parts ordered from Italy.
@@luisribeiro3604 exactly...well said and a known fact.
Ride what you all want and STFU! Me..I'll take the Duc.
Reliability is extremely important to a lot of people! Saying that, Honda simply has a better track record.
Simple answer here is: Honda for performance Ducati for Passion,E stai bene.
Not in the milion years i thought i would hear this sentence. "Honda for performance" Specially comparing to ducati.
@@Fearless154 More like Honda for reliability...Ducati is a piece of art
@@braunvanvarden876 art that breaks all the time. You know someone who has one? they repair it more than ride it
@@pedrorezende4873 haha i know...art that's only meant to be kept at home for decor ;)
Siberian Wind Ducati is extremely reliable now
I m lost with him. Honda is so easy to ride, its renowned for being the friendliest bike. Next thing comfortable from cbr is a car. I cannot believe to imagine Ducati is being more consistent than cbr. I too have ridden both on track and road. I have completely different experience. Oh power level 1 in cbr isn't aggressive, try switching everything off by pressing power mode 1 by holding select button for 5 secs. The bike turns into insanity aggressive mode.
Bikke Chettri i think he is saying the v2 have a better performance than the new 2020 base model cbr1krr. The reason the old cbrs handles well is because its a slow bike in turn better handling.
@@krayzieegg7294 lol. Try listening again.
he says it appears to be more consistent due to the electronics package which appears to have come from the V4, famously one of the best packages out there.
In every other aspect the Honda appears to be faster,easier,less aggressive and with more to come if you can remove noise/emission limiter to truly untap the bike's potential.
He says it himself his review is mostly about track riding.
The Ducati is probably easier to ride really fast around a track without getting in trouble because of the great electronics package, you just slam that throttle wide open everywhere and let the electronics sort it out.
Its really hard to pick between modern day Superbikes, it really just depends on needs. Reviewers desperately try to tell something for the sake of creating content while not bashing brands.
You can find 2019 CBR 1000 SP for $14k new. I actually like the Honda more.
Here in Sweden they cost like 24 000. Base is 19 000
@@hymerr you paid for shipping.
i got my 17 brand new for $13500
Homage Ninja: An SP !?? (rather than the Base Model). Please tell us Dealer Names and Addresses. Is one of them Pete's Cycle in Baltimore ?
Oops, AutoCorrect made "Hokage Ninja" into "Homage Ninja"...oh, well.
Those leathers look like fisherman’s rain gear.
I didn’t noticed till I read your comment. That’s too funny. Cause now all a see him as a fisherman lol
That’s a hilarious observation!
Fireblade 🔥 EVERY time. I’m biased...I want my bike to start each and every morning.💯😂🏍
Bruh, good choice.
The fire made is the rr-r and that bike is awfully close to $30,000 usd. In fact I’m pretty sure with taxes and all the dealer bull$h!7 you will find that bike crossing that 30k threshold easily. Not the same as the double-R.
@@albertoj.mollinedo4116 the CBR1000RR has been called the fireblade since way before the CBR1000RR-R Fireblade SP was unveiled. We are talking 20+ years of people calling Honda’s top of the line superbike the Fireblade. He is correct in calling this model the fireblade.
David Bresnahan but it isn’t the fireblade anymore. Like you said, that’s for the top of the line one which is the triple r sp.
@@pmwaffle9348 No, the CBR1000RR is still called the fireblade. It doesn’t just lose that nickname because a new one came out with the name. And by top of the line, I meant their liter class of superbikes, not just the very best edition of their liter bike. The Double R is still a fireblade, they have been calling it that since 1992 when it was still the CBR900RR. Just because there is a new one doesn’t mean the rest of them magically lose the rights to the fireblade name.
Love both but I own a duc. Honda has their “Honda reliability” behind it but the Duc is pure sex
Honda is living of the past reliability history it build up back on the 90s. Today’s Honda doesn’t compare. I would say as reliable as Ducati.
@@albertoj.mollinedo4116 wow, do you even know what reliability means?
@@sagheer.a4988 he obviously doesnt know what it means cause he compares honda reliability to ducati.
Alberto J. Mollinedo not true
I can only speak to the bikes I’ve owned. I had two Honda dirt bikes; a CR250 and an XR400. Both were flawlessly reliable. I had a Monster 695 and currently have a Hypermotard 1100. Both flawlessly reliable.
Honda for the win, i own a 2017 fireblade and im loving every second i spent on that bike 😎
I got the 2018 lmao Awesome bike
@@ericnarvaiz9216 19. It's like sky diving every ride.
I’m really glad Honda kept the old version around, just wish they added a fuel gauge which is what kep me from it and going for the GSXR1000R.
I have a cbr600rr now and want to upgrade to the 1000cc. really was thinking going with the cbr but I been seeing good reviews on the gsxr. I just dont like the screen on the gsxr. How do you like your gsxr?
You either want a Ducati or you don’t.
I want one I just don't want to burn my nuts and be significantly poorer
@@rustyshackleford6874 ...trust me, any motorcycle that you ride in the hot sun at low speeds is going to burn your nuts. Well, "roast your nuts" is more accurate, but still.
and a 60-month 2% loan on a $20k bike is not that big of a deal.
The problem is securing the bike. 8/10th of the problem. 1/10th is riding it on sketchy roads. And the remaining 1/10th is trading a car for the bike.
I'd have an easier time spending that money on an old Porsche rather than a new bike.
@Beardicus from a former zx10r owner the v4 feel raw as fuck the torque the sound the vibration so much drama and the bike looks epic everytime i get of the bike i steal a glance at it i never regreated buying a ducati
Im not paying same price for Honda...wtf. when I had my Ducati ppl was all I on my nuts. It was great lol
touristguy87 what old Porsche is going for anywhere near 20k in the past 4 years💀 even 914s are over priced now
I've test-driven both of these bikes and they're performance monsters. If you're not a professional racer or riding in a professional arena, most of their power is excessive. If you only use them for daily driving and occasional passion, make sure you don't worry about their motivation. So I'm more concerned about the cost of owning it, reliability and good ride experience. The DUCATI engine heat PROBLEM HAS SERIOUSLY AFFECTED MY RIDING experience, it makes MY riding not good, the Honda is also hot, but it is acceptable. I thought about the cost of ownership, reliability and comfort and I chose the Honda. No one in 2022 will think Honda has less brand power than Ducati? Then I'd say you don't know much about Honda.
@Zzz Asdfdsa fairly looking at your 1way blind clueless comment you could only have test driven a scooter 😅😅. I made the huge mistake of chosing a Honda CBR 300R ( 28k €) : after only 6 months I was owning ( and not riding at all ) a typical HONDA piece of GARBAGE with unbelievable manufactoring failures !! Read & take note : crankshaft replacement (😮 😮 not kidding, as 6 months passing after buyin' the bike),massive oil consumption after 200 kms rode, other 4 broken tools which its too long to write down here . Both company and dealer at first refused to apply guarantee finding ridiculous, childish excuses ( 1 month later my lawyer made them change their minds).
I can't call the CBR 300R other than the most UNREALIABLE & the BIGGEST GARBAGE I've ever rode, the honda engine the worst made and breackable of world bikes. I put this stuff on sale, hopefully I will buy a DUCATI in the future, more expensive but much more reliable, better engineered and better made,just another planet . And if any denies this last, then he doesn't know much about bikes !! lol
I really enjoyed this comparison video, these are the same two motorcycles I have been debating about over and over. This was a very complete comparison that helped me make a decision on which bike I'm going to purchase.Great job
Which did you choose?
Not really a fair comparison here, the fireblade goes below sticker in nearly ever dealership across the states. There's a few 2018 leftover models going for under $10,000 right now.
J K the 2020 is a completely different bike though. But I still get your point. Neither are great value really.
@@iamthemobey this 2020 is the same bike as 2017, I think you mean the triple R, which is another fireblade. The double R you can get way cheaper
You're right, these base ones will be the same this time next year, but that wont be the case for the SP.
Ducati looks delicious
I use to work for a Honda dealer and you are right about the sticker price. You can find great deals on older models. That being said the Honda overall is really worth the money. You pay for reliability and not getting killed in the dealership for service so paying 16K for a new model should never be the issue. Hands down the best bike for the price. Ducati is a good bike but that maintenance bill is a killer.
You can also get a new old stock variant of the cbr. Exact same bike, 2018 for example, easy bag for $12k on new old stock. Hell you can get a 2018/19 sp model for for $17 all day, with a blipper, with qss, with ohlins, with Brembo.
New old stock deals are great,In late 2017 I picked up a new 2016 Yamaha R1S in flat grey for $10,200 out the door
19 cbr1000rr 12500 plus tax. 13500
Bought new in aug 2020.
@@Turtle-RR there's one zero mile listed for 11k in my area
Already had my kids as well as ridden and owned Hondas 900rr and 929rr so it’s the V2 🔥 for me.
There are some big messages smuggled into this short video; on a few levels, well done!
$16,500 that’s really cheap both of these bikes cost $30,000 on-road in my country 🥲
Actually, for 13,995 you can buy the 2019 sp CBR 1000. Search through cycle trader.
Can you please link me? Lowest I saw was $15,490 for a 2019 CBR1000RR SP
The 13,995 one is for a 2017 SP. Still a good deal.
@@knievel8727 There had been 3 in Texas. They listed as 2018,2018,and 2019.The $14,999 had a full titanium sc exhaust. The other two, all stock. All new on dealer floor. I know they sold quick because I called to place a hold deposit on the one with the exhaust and they had just loaded it on someone's trailer. Keep looking, they are out there and from my local guy, some are still crated.
As a Ducati owner, during the summer, the seat heat is completely unbearable sometimes. I have been in traffic before, switching which leg is holding my bike up every 5 seconds because it was burning so bad that I couldn't keep one leg down at a time. But if its 75°F and below? Fantastic, and they are absolutely amazing machines. If you live somewhere like LA or Phoenix? Maybe get a different bike though 😬
Let me start it off by saying that Troy - you are awesome👍
Now coming to the bikes. Well everyone bad mouthed Honda for not bringing CBR 1000RR-R base version to USA. But after this comparo one can see the value in retaining the 2017 model as the base model even in 2020.
CBR 1000RR as we know is one of the most real world friendly superbike out there. So it will be my pick over the V2.
EDIT: Also an ECU flush on the 'blade will give you 179 rwhp. Ducati V2 stands no chance at that power.
Much appreciated. Thank you.
Dude, ducati v2 is a middle weight supersports and a replacement of the ducati panigale 959, the big daddy is still there to give tough competition to the cbr fireblade, the V4 still exists, and in its segment, the Ducati V2 kicks every bike in the middle weight supersports segment, i think, now the middleweight super sports crown goes to this Ducati V2, as it was previously holded by the mighty Ninja zx6r and before that, the crown belonged to the Triumph daytona 675r!!!
Completely agree, honda has alot of untapped potential. A simple ECU flash got me to 174 hp on my 2017 cbr
Honda all day !!
I believe cost of ownership, reliability and longevity also favor the Honda. Thanks for the video.
Ducati bikes are cheaper to service than their reputation has most people thinking now. The service intervals in the last 20yrs have been getting farther and farther apart.
Good video. I'm a long time Honda rider (on dirt bikes) but always loved Ducatis too. Personally I think I'd go for the Ducati for its manners, looks, and the sound. Also in a few years it'll probably trade in better on a new V4.
More consistent over many laps? Did not happen to take lap times?........Um, I am guessing that's magazine speak for the Honda was about 5 seconds a lap faster. We are back to the good old days of making excuses for the exotics. I am curious to see what the Honda is really capable of when it is un tethered. Why does Honda have to nuder is bike to meet regulations but BMW does not? I do like both bikes.
5 sec a lap faster? vs what? a scooter? :))
"Nuder" ! I like malapropisms. Next try "Ground(hog)(Wood)Chuck" for Roadkill. GroundChuck is a Woodchuck crossed with a Groundhog. Thus a malapropism. [Learn and Laugh, Grasshopper !]
I have the the blade, and trust me those bikes come out very lean from the factory, so with a little woolich flash I've hit 185 whp on stock... now it's a RR
I would like to see all the 1000s top of the line from all maufacureres. With basic mods. Like tunes bolt ons like most people are going to do with their bikes. And then see the bike comparisons. I would love to see that.
Its called world superstock!
I think some results would be surprising. The zx10r with a god tune and exhaust has made around 200 wheel horsepower. The cbr is garbage with power. The GSXR has been amazing after tuned as well.
I've been wanting to do something like this for a long time. It's a logistical nightmare though.
@@TroySiahaan Yea it would be hard to make it happen ... but it would be the best video ever !
Reliability issues that people keep bringing up are so exaggerated. I know a lot of people with ducatis in real life and i don't know where these reliability talk comes from. Just sounds like haters hating on something they can't afford
In Europe Honda CBR1000RR have more than 190 BHP, which makes much bigger difference. On a track Honda is in different league than Ducati.
Actually this is the biggest issue here, Panigale V2 cost as much as mamy 1liter sportsbikes: GSX-R, R1 and ZX-10R, which has much more horsepower than Ducati.
Ducati may have slightly better electronic package, but it's not enough to put it in front od japanese trio. Personally I would prefer to leave Baby Panigale as its was before, now it is somewhere between two classess: to expensive for smaller sportsbikes and to underpowered to compete with bigger ones.
If I walk into my local dealership. The 2020 V2 is the same price as a 2019 yamaha r1 and ZX10R.
So idk how anyone will justify the v2
Glad you said this.
Because a Ducati is sex
Not everyone lives their life a quarter mile at a time their Toretto.
Rumblestrip.NET 😂
Rumblestrip.NET 😂😂😂😂. Fuckin hilarious!!!
Kawasaki zx10r 12.4k 200whp😂😂😂😂 gtfo of here 2019 model
Lol
bike from 2011 slower than blade around jerez.
149 hp for the honda....SOMEBODY PLEASE FLASH THAT ECU WITH PAUL KINGSBOROUGH!!! get an exhaust an its a top 180hp bike that weights less than anything around. Best bike.
The lighting on that last setup was nice. When I first saw the monochrome GSX-R750, it looked a bit timeless.
Time has caught up.
Personally I’d choose the Ducati. Everyone and their dog has a Japanese in-line 4. In my opinion they’re just not that special anymore. Sure there’s a massive difference between a clapped out 2005 r6 and the 2020 cbr1000 but still. The Ducati just has something the Honda doesn’t. Hard to put a finger on it but I’ve also ridden both. Also if we’re talking about upgrading; it goes both ways, you can upgrade the Ducati just as you can upgrade the Honda. But the duc comes with more out of the box, brembo brakes, quick shifter, auto blipper etc. Maintenance and reliability is also quite compatible, this isn’t the 1970s anymore, Ducati has become very reliable, and they extended their valve intervals to 24000km since they don’t use timing belts anymore.
But that’s just me
I agree. Owning a Ducati is still more expensive that the japenese counterparts but Ducati came a long way when it comes to maintenance and reliability. And you can't deny that Ducs have something special
I choose neither and get the Aprilia V4 Tuono 1100RR which costs the same.
Nah, I had one and sold it. On paper, the perfect bike, in reality not so great. I have a CBR1000rr also, it's better in every possible way.
@@jcarlson2727 i was actually looking at a tuono lol. Can you elaborate about your experience with it?
Ducati already has a version of the V2 with fully "tapped potential." It's called the base V4 at $21,195. If you're going to dump $3K into the Honda for dyno tune, suspension, blipper, and track tuning to un-tap its potential, just buy a V4 or an S1000. Both V2 and CBR can be tuned for increased power/torque, but improving the power and suspension on the Honda won't result in a better traction control or braking system. Out of the box...it's Honda for reliability and life cycle costs. Ducati for performance.
3k? you must be joking. only a pair of ohlins forks cost over 3k! Honda sells only on the back of old day's glory an reliability myth.
Amir Rad ya, assuming it fell off the back of a truck and you do all the labor yourself.
u can get a peel and stick heat shield for the seat plastics on the ducati, easy to install , which apparently works
Honda if you want to ride your bike.
Ducati if you want to spend time going to the dealership every month.
Lol 😂
That used to be the case but since Audi took over Ducati have been a lot better in terms of reliability
There has always been that trade off for cutting edge technology. Yamaha is a good middle ground. Just ask Rossi =)
@Tony Dinh oh you mean the Honda that had gearbox failure nearly killing two roadracers from UK (Guy Martin and John McGuiness) and many others that had the same gearbox problems .
@Tony Dinh www.motofire.com/2017/07/honda-quietly-release-details-of-fireblade-failure-in-mcguinness-crash/
drivetribe.com/p/guy-martin-is-pissed-at-the-new-dggbbOF5T26tx7b2dretww?iid=fkRIaGPJRkqAVnA5TDOPMQ
And many more have had these problems. Just a quick Google search with the keywords "honda CBR 2017 gearbox problems" gives you a bunch of results
I own SP and 959 now. SP is much friendly bike than 959. On race track, depends on your skill, Honda is much easier to create quick lap. On street, Honda is much comfortable in sitting position. Honda design for multi purpose and still comfortable and capable on race track.
Let's be honest, 99% of buyers never put there bikes on a track let alone ever use more than 50% of a bikes ability due to there lack of ability.... so to simplify this video with out all the HP figures and weight ratios it's pretty much what do you think looks better and what makes you feel better... short answer the Duc looks way way way better and is the peach out of the two bikes.... end of story
I ran the TD tire all last season in track and have 3 front and rear tires ready to go this season. What a fantastic tire !
I've been telling anyone who will listen how awesome the TD tire is. Glad you like it, too.
@@TroySiahaan that tire has so much grip and I can get 3 days out of a rear in a R. As long as one day the track faces the other direction. I can get 5-6 days from a front. I've gone 4 on the rear and it wasn't very confident inspiring. But all out grip this tire is amazing 👌. I would never run it on the street .
My 2015 GSX-R750 put down 136 rwhp with the crappy stock tune - similar to what the V2 got on this video.
That was before the Flashtune fuel and ignition dyno tuning by a MotoGP shop here on Newport Beach.
I think it depends on whether you’re wanting mostly to do track riding or street riding. The gearing and power delivery on the Duc is so much better suited for the street. The Honda is a typical race focused inline 4 that has to be kept on the boil to be fun, which is tiresome on the street. Since most of us realistically ride the street 99% of the time, I’d pick the Duc. Yes the heat is a bit of an issue but having done thousands of miles on a V4 and hundreds on a V2 (in the Texas heat) it’s a very manageable issue. Both great bikes in the end though, so the tyranny of choice.
Fireblade has more torque and was designed to be a superbike for the street.
@@fs3994 Maybe so, but riding the 2 back to back I’ll take the power delivery on the Duc any day. The blade delivers power better than most inline 4’s, but it can’t compete with the low end grunt of the twin in the Duc - no way no how. But as I mentioned both are great bikes and in the end most of us probably pick on the basis of which one we think looks better. 😉 There isn’t a bad choice between these two bikes.
Small blender vs. Washing machine. For price comparing those are good but same gategory bikes should be v4r vs 1000rr?
CBR such a great bike and you don't go broke owning it. Starts every time and go's hard every time. that was weak ass conclusion c'mon man, No Disrespect
Every motorjournalist comes to the same "both bikes are great" conclusion. You can't piss off one manufacturer and stop getting invited to events haha
Listen, everyone whose anyone knows the honda is a legendary bike. Quality beyond compare, affordability (10-12k usd brand new), power, comfort, best bike to handle the streets. Anyone can ride this bike with confidence. At the end of the day, if you dont like a Honda then your not a true rider who appreciates all the facets of riding. If you dont appreciate a cbr1000rr you a poser. Dont get me wrong, I like other brands, but cant see why people always try to talk down the cbr. Ride safe :)
Woaah! That wobble at 4:28 made me nervous! And the way the CBR sounds, quite similar to the RRR Fireblade. Does it really sound like that stock? Or did you guys flash tune it before doing track?
I've ridden both, spot on review. The Ducati just looks so good :(
I own cbr 2019 almost a years already.. So far so good.. Just a few thing i dont like about the bike is the gearbox sensor
I still prefer Honda....Ducati reliability is also the question...that and cost of maintaining. But, you had fun at Chuckwalla! I'd love to just test out both there!
Great unbiased review , all makes sense to me , top job .
And for $495 more you can get a base S1000RR.
Good luck finding one. Even if your dealer is willing to import a base S1000RR for you, in the USA is heavily restricted. I think that based on all the dyno videos I've seen in youtube only the Aprilia RSV4, the V4 and old S1000RR are not restricted due to emissions.
@@Alexander5R just get it remapped with a tune and you gtg
@@Alexander5R Every US bike is heavily restricted compare to europe. Fireblade in us 149whp european model 175whp.
@@Alexander5R You must flash the bike in US.
@@Fearless154 This is only with the base model. The Fireblade CBRRRRR1000RRRR/SPRRRRRRRR is not restricted
Hey guys really like this v2 but I’m also leaning towards an s1000rr which would y’all get. On and off daily and once a month track day.
This is a nice comment.. you're great Troy.
A nice comment on TH-cam? Amazing! haha!
Why are the US spec bike so restricted and for what reason? In stock trim the 19 Fireblade dyno 167hp. In fact my totally original 09 Fireblade dyno 158hp.
Because there are certain requirements the EPA mandates all bikes (not just sportbikes) above a certain displacement meet to be sold here. Those requirements include, but are not limited to, both tailpipe AND sound emissions. To answer your second question - For what reason? I have no idea.
That’s a really difficult choice to be honest
Hence why I basically copped out with my decision in the end. lol
Only if you're using it on the track, for street use 2020 KTM 1290 Super Duke R great low rpm torque.
Ross I’m 5’5” I wouldn’t get close to fitting on a super duke lol
@@tryingagain1960 Honda is far more comfortable to ride for me, I tried both and while the Ducati is surely an amazing bike I took the CBR for me, it won't hurt your shoulder as much as Ducati, and I'm about the same height as you
I’ve been looking into these Ducati’s lately and I find it funny that a lot of people compare them to liter bikes yet they race against the zx6r cbr600rr gsxr750 😂. My question is did you have starting issues with this v2?
Request panigale vs cbr1000rr-r
Ducati exclusivity vs just a Honda!
I really enjoyed your review of these two sport bikes! Great insight from a great rider! Your input, honesty and experience, make this a review worthy of watching. I do enjoy this type of comparison especially when I am trying to decide on either of these bikes! But once again, I really enjoyed your comments and riding in evaluating these two excellent machines! Peace.
Thank you, decent comprehensive assessment of riding two bikes.
Strange world when the Italian bike has better electronics than the Japanese bike and the Japanese bike has more torque than the Italian bike. 😆
I like you Troy so I'm not gonna say anything mean.........but these bikes cost more and have significantly less performance than sportbikes from 10 years ago. 2010 BMW S1000RR made 176hp and came with heated grips, heck the new one makes 196hp and it's Eruo4 compliant.
I agree... fuck all these electronic bs. I'll keep my 08 zx10r over these and I got it lightly used for literally $4500 with 16k miles. You just cant beat that.
@@jponz85 You and I are on the same page, my '09 R1 had the same power stock as this 10 year newer CBR1000RR. The price of the '09 R1 was $13,290 when new, adjusted to inflation in 2020 that's $15,765. These bikes make no sense.
@@AMomcilo1 they really don't. I don't see, even after more than 15 years, wages have been the same since then and now, bikes are going for $20k+!?!?!? Imagine making payments... on a fucking motorcycle!? Lol... it's just bonkers
There are two problems with these comments:
1) Modern sport bikes don't have less performance than those from 10 years ago. The CBR1000RR has always been down on peak power compared to the competitors because Honda tunes it for good low/midrange torque over outright power, and when tested on similar conditions the new bike is just as powerful as the old if not slightly more ( *SHOCKING* how people who claim to know about cars/bikes *STILL* don't get how dynos work and how one can read 5-10% more than another or you can have wildly different results on the same dyno but on different days)
2) A motorcycle's performance is about more than just peak power, and it's a safe bet that if you compare the new CBR1000RR against a 10 year old bike with more peak power the new Honda is actually the faster one around a track
The example of the 09 R1 is just perfect because this bike may put down less peak power than that R1 but roll the throttle on both of them in 4th gear at 60mph and the Honda will make the R1 look like a 600cc which has nothing going on until it gets to like 8000rpm.
Wow this was a really really cool idea and video
You can find a used 2017+ Honda 1krr SP for less than the V2, looks just as good, runs way cooler, and has the Honda reliability.
I respect the Ducati, but Honda is a no brainer for me. I just wish I didn't love my 2016 so much or I would have upgraded already (only have room for 1 bike right now).
I would go with the cbr all day long. I have a 999s Ducati but I like my cbr because of reliability....
Plain and simply, the euro bikes cost so much more so the bang for the buck just isn't what it is on the Japanese bikes. The euro bikes cost more to buy, cost more to own, more work to maintain.... What else do you need to know?
@SDSSMotoChannel I don't know how you got to Communism from sport bikes. Although most of the new euro bikes are better than they used to be, they have had significantly more maintenance than a Honda or other Japanese bikes. How many times has Ducati been bought out of bankruptcy, for example. Look, I am not going to bash them, I love ALL engineering. I love every kind of automobile. I like the hyper-cars, bikes, Prius'....I love all of them. I can not think of one Italian car or German car that is as reliable and as cheap to maintain, as a Toyota or Honda. I remember watching WSBK a few years ago, when Ducati continued to ask for increased displacement in order to keep up with the Japanese bikes. They said that they needed to run the WSBKs at a MotoGP set of tune in order to keep up with the Japanese 1000s. They could not keep them running without a rebuild every race. I think the Ducatis, BMWs and all of the Euro bikes are beautiful and fun and exciting, but when it comes to BANG FOR THE BUCK... they just are not even close. It is not a bad thing, but if you buy a $10,000 honda or a $10,000 Duc, then can you guess which bike will last longer? Come on.....
I love seeing them go buy. For those that do not care about their cost comparison with performance, then the Euros are great bikes for them, but if you are a "Bang for the Buck" guy, then there is no comparison. Japanese will win everytime
I own 2019 s1000rr the newer model and zx14 2014 model. Maintenance they cost about the same per service but on bmw each service is every 10k km or 6200miles and on zx14 each service is every 6k km or 3700miles. So bmw actually cost me less to own.
@@rmv4646 Firstly the likes of Ducati are producing entirely different product than vacuum cleaner industry. Secondly, Ducati is a performance machine. It's like saying why Ferrari bothers to make cars that cost a lot more than a Civic to maintain. The reliability thing is an old myth put into bed some 20 years ago by the likes of Ducati, Aprilia, KTM and BMW.
Ducatis are performance machine that employ the exact same tech as a motogp engine and by that token they require similar care. On top of that, Ducati makes completely new engines every 5-10 years whereas the Japanese bike makers combined haven't produced a new engine/chassis since 1970s. Japanese have produced an engine in 1960s and kept on improving it to this day.
OF course a new Ducati is more expensive to maintain, not because of part replacement but only for the 40k km service for valve check, and that's because of the longer time it takes to open the heads. After the warranty period is over, Ducati's maintenance costs is reduces by more than half at your local garage.
Japanese reliability and low cost of ownership is a thing of past which their fans still think it's real.
Nice video, I just wonder if is no way to help with the heat coming from the Ducati, like an extra layer of heat dissipation material or something?
You can do an exhaust wrap that helps significantly, but they can be hard to do right as any moisture that gets stuck in the wrap can rust an exhaust. There’s also ceramic which isn’t as good temp wise, and is more expensive, but won’t ruin your exhaust.
2013 Honda Cbr1000rr, all i did is just regular maintenance, oil change, oil filter, etc
still smooth, and still trying to kill me with the power
i love honda for its reliability, though i still want to own a Ducati but my pocket said no
Isn't a twin supposed to make more torque al lower revs how is it worst than the Honda? I don't get that and honestly if you want a chep fun sport bike the 636 is 10k and plenty for the road.
If you "un-tap the Honda's potential", then the Honda will become more expensive than $16,500.00, which negates the point of this video.
Really just a reflash would make a big difference. 150$ will unlock 20hp like the euro edition
Even untapped it's up on hp at same price range.
But the point of the video is that the bike is $16,500. Sure the Honda can be re-flashed, but also the Ducati. The problem is that a re-flash won't give the Honda better brakes, a quick-shifter, or an auto-blipper.
What’s the most comfortable mid size (around 600-700cc) sports bike there is in terms of posture and suspension? Where you can ride around for couple of hours in the weekends and not be too tired.
Gsxr 750
ECU, full header and race air box got me to 191 hp on my 2018 CBR 1000rr
Hi about the new BMW S1000rr base model for $16995 ??
Never . That’s what they say but when u try to bike they will say ohh no no the price is 21
Honda everytime. But the RR-R SP for me next (although the RR is a better road bike - slightly more torque down low). Those blade figures are very low even with climate and humidity differences. My 2013 which was dynojetted by elkie in ireland puts out 164bhp at the back tyre. Full system mind you. More power is never a bad thing tbh, its all in the wrist. Just need to spend time with the bike .
... And how much is Suzuki GSXR1000....?!
199-201hp in spec sheet, and you can get new one in Europe for less than 14.000e
Um, whose dyno are you using?
@@c__walker__jr He said spec sheet (i.e. the manufacturer's number at the crank) I think that in Europe the GSX-R makes close to 180 hp at the wheel. In USA is heavily restricted, like the Fireblade in the video, so probably 170 hp with luck at the wheel. I also thinks that the Suzuki looks the worse and is not as sophisticated (electronics, suspension, fit and finish, brakes, etc.) as the Honda or the Ducati.
In spain 19000 euros.
Got my 2017 GSXR1000 for 9,999 plus taxes and registration= 13,000. 0 miles in January 2020.
Manuel where? That price is motos barragan type of price
Spending that amount of money, Ducati. The exclusivity and sexiness. Great review!!!
Yeah but then on the street you get destroyed by $5000 2005 gsxr 1000 lol
It really sounds like he's on talking on eggshells, not wanting to say anything negative about the Ducati other then the heat. Reliability is most certainly an aspect most potential buyers would consider which wasn't even mentioned. The fact that you can compare the Honda to the Ducati in itself speaks volumes. Then the fact that a huge percentage of buyers for these machines won't even see the track. So while yeah the Ducati as always is work of art, in the looks department the Honda is pretty badness as well. As if there's a little Italian flavor in there. From what I seen the Honda got it
@2:53 It is not just a ecu tuning thing etc. It is totally an engineering...
I think SC77 (CBR1000RR) has 193 hp. Right?
Interesting vid. Definitely prefer the V2 as it's so much cooler & prettier imo. Also less is more in terms of usability it seems. Speaking of less, I'm shocked that a 2020 Fireblade is "only" putting our 149bhp at the rear wheel. You could get a base GSXR1000 for $15,600 or the R for $17,700, both of which supposedly put out around 180rwbhp. What on earth has Honda done to that ECU? Am I missing something?
US bikes comes very restricted from the factory for some reason. European models does 170-175 at the rear from factory.
Also US model of gsxr1000 does 163HP at the rear.
Reliability is important on a commuter. On a weekend toy, you can sacrifice reliability for fun and exoticism.
In what class was 959, superbike? In this video i just noticed that fireblade produce the lowest bhp compare to other japanese superbikes
Track bikes can be fun on the street too. Some slightly taller clip-ons and rock and roll.
I own a 2018 Honda CBR1000RR and I love it....I have put 10,400 miles since i got her brand new in April 2019.The only modifications have being Ackropovic full exhaust, K&N filter, power commander and servo boddy. The bike feels fast enoght for me and it has show to me that is reliable. Right now it is January and I can't wait until April to be able to ride her again
Level 1 traction control is the highest right?
If you guys gona talk about $ then you guys already know the cost of maintenance for the Ducati is gona make you broke.
@@AlexanderBaldridge you're on crack. Ain't no way a ducati is cheaper to maintain than a kawasaki....
@@jponz85 Ducati is cheaper to maintain than kawasaki for regular service schedule in the end. I own 2014 zx14 and my friend own panigale 2017 1299. Each service on ducati bikes is every 12k km or 7500 miles which cost 300$ for small service and 900$ for big service each 24k km 15 miles. My zx14 service schedule is every 6k km and 3700miles which cost 200$ for small and 700$ for big service each 12k km or 7500miles. If you ride yearly and put a lot of miles on the bike kawasaki will cost you much more for ownership due to much frequent maintenance schedule.
Absolutely!!
@@jponz85 Gawd some days I wish, amirite guys?!?! Lol! No, unfortunately I am not on the crystalline god finder, I speaketh the truth good man. And though Anton is also correct, the Panigale services only cost $300 and $900 because of the body work. My Monster 797 service was $210 each year or every 5000 miles. Larger capacity Monsters (the new ones, like 2015 and on) are every 10k miles or 15k miles (821 and 1200 respectively) and the annual service cost only goes up to $275, though the Desmo services will run more on the bigger bore bikes ($1000-1250). The Desmo service on my 797 was only $850.
Honestly, with the exception of some models, you'd be hard pressed to find a more dependable bike than a Duc, Hondas not withstanding.
Great review really cool how you got the dyno IM NOT shocked the CBR is the true 1000!!! I am going DUCATI all day you put money into the Honda put the same into the Ducati it's still better all day!!!!
What is true 1000?
@@ampm9771 Hey Amir meaning the Ducati 959 is 955cc the Honda CBR 1000RR is 999cc
@@josegerman8877 Still 1cc less! If I owe you $100, but give you $99, have I given you 100$?
@@ampm9771 Not just 1cc but 44cc less and the Bore X Stroke is way different to how true 1000 are set up.....The 959 Ducati and the V2 wasn't meant to compete with the Liter Bikes but 750s aren't being made any more it was created to destroy those bikes now it's the under powdered bike due to its smaller displacement not by much but still underpowered.
Do you have any idea why Ducati dropped the 1199 and 1299 Panigales? Would those two bikes be TOO competitive with their new V4? How do those two bikes compare with the new V2? Those seem like obvious questions to be asked.
The HP figure for the Honda seems way off. The same bike in the U.K. is billed at 189hp which seems more like it. I get it that the figure you got on the dyno is probably wheel horsepower so you’d expect it to be a bit lower but not that much lower!
seems like you focus on the the weight and HP, when its such a small difference..........fit and finish on Doc tough to beat....
*How can you compare essentially a 600 to a 1000?*
I'm shocked the Honda only made 149hp. I had no idea it was that far below the rest of the liter supersports. Even without a tune the S1000rr is making 190 or more to the wheel
The European one is 189 bhp don't know why the USA version is so restricted
Very good video and unbiased comparison. Well done!
Very thorough analysis - thanks for sharing! (V2 rider)
Hey bro you say you're a V2 rider ...is the heat under the seat as bad as all these reviews are saying ..? Thanks man.
Just quick mentioning on the Supercorsa TD(Track Day). I have them on my track bike and they are GRIPPY, just 2 hoops of hot glue, they are also cheaper than SP supercorsa by a margin. BUT! Their rear is single compound, so if you use TD on a street bike and do a bunch of highway, expect very short tread life. *Edit for typo
I used a set of Supercorsa TD tires that already had about 700 miles on them, plus a trackday, and was blown away by how good they still were. I'm a big fan.
@@TroySiahaan Wow thanks for the reply! I read your articles from Sport Rider when I was in high school maybe 10 odd years ago. Definitely a fan of your style. Thanks for the good work all these years!
@@emacemacii Thanks man! That's old school! Now I feel old.
great review
What suit is that? the red and yellow neon one