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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
  • Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan are here for their deep dive on Magic's first three sets - Alpha + Beta + Unlimited!
    The duo dissect the sets that started it all, with their thoughts on the moxes, the dual lands, black border cards vs white border cards, and explain why Magic's first three sets may actually be Magic's best three sets.
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 Introduction
    5:41 Facts
    44:01 Lore
    49:03 Mechanics
    1:04:01 Cycles
    1:32:47 Misprints
    1:42:11 Awards Show
    1:57:32 Final Grade
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    Follow us on Twitter
    @CedricAPhillips
    @BasicMountain
    @TheResleevables
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    Follow us on TikTok
    @TheResleevables
    Email us @ theresleevables@gmail.com
    Support us on Patreon ( / theresleevables )
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    Sponsors:
    Coalesce Apparel + Design (www.coalesceap...)
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    Credits:
    Directed by: Jonathan Choi
    Produced by: Cedric Phillips and Jonathan Choi
    Edited by: Jonathan Choi
    Written by: Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan
    Graphics by: Ray Dill
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    Information sourced from MagicTheGathering.com, TheSideboard.com, MTGWiki.com and numerous conversations with previous and current Magic players
    #theresleevables #mtg #podcast #magicthegathering #commander #mtgcommander #mtgstandard #mtgmodern #mtglegacy #mtgvintage #mtghistoric #mtgalchemy

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  • @RhysticStudies
    @RhysticStudies ปีที่แล้ว +566

    return of the greatest duo to ever do it.

    • @th3giv3r
      @th3giv3r ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The only* duo

  • @TolarianCommunityCollege
    @TolarianCommunityCollege ปีที่แล้ว +453

    This is A+ quality content.

  • @Zadabrak
    @Zadabrak ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Something that's easy to overlook about the original duals that's pretty impressive in hindsight is how they inform the player that it's possible to play more than one color in a deck. We take it for granted now but I could easily see players not wanting to or possibly not even thinking they can but once they see that there are lands that make two colors it really opens things up in their minds for what is possible.

  • @GoodMorningMagic
    @GoodMorningMagic ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Yessss so happy to see you both back

  • @taknarian
    @taknarian ปีที่แล้ว +75

    The kings have returned, the Magic world is once again whole...
    MORE UPPER DECK STORIES, LET'S GOOOOOOO!

  • @derekcampbell2132
    @derekcampbell2132 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I am so happy to see Resleevables on TH-cam. Cedric and Patrick alone are enough to make any Magic content extremely educational and entertaining, but coupled with the editing and production, this is simple some of the best Magic the Gathering content ever created. The care and level of effort put into this is obvious and I hope they are both able to do this for a long time.

  • @Mizzium_
    @Mizzium_ ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Finding this channel at Episode 1 is both a gift and a curse, wish I had more episodes to binge.
    Hope you re-do Alara, I didn't know this was a show before!

  • @wheelinshirt
    @wheelinshirt ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Another note about the BoP misprint is that the original wording just said 'Add one mana' which has created some debate in the alpha40 community which follows a ruleset designed to emulate the experience of playing at the release of alpha (40 card decks, no 4-of rule, continuous artifacts turned off when tapped, etc). It's not exactly a misprint but it is a design oversight. The other two cards in the set that make any color of mana (lotus and celestial prism) say that specifically, but so do the cards that make colorless mana (sol ring, mana vault, basalt monolith). In the community, BoP does tap for any color but there are folks that think it should make colorless instead.

  • @christopherprementine5287
    @christopherprementine5287 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm finally catching up with the playlist of these videos, and I have to say I really appreciate Patrick's emotional/sentimental thoughts at the end. You can tell he really loves the game, and I feel that. Great stuff, guys.

  • @jacobjurkovic9833
    @jacobjurkovic9833 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank God Jim Davis posted about the return my life was missing these two

  • @georgedenny9446
    @georgedenny9446 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nothing ruined my year in 2022 more than realizing that I had listened to all of the old podcast and had no more resleevables. This is the best part of 2023

  • @AnsonMaddocks
    @AnsonMaddocks ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jesper Myrfors (Yesper Meer-fours )
    Mark Tedin ( Mark Teh-deen )
    Good Vid!!

    • @patricksullivan9194
      @patricksullivan9194 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Elvish Archers was my favorite piece of art when I was a kid, and I'm over the moon that you watched this. Thank you.

    • @AnsonMaddocks
      @AnsonMaddocks ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@patricksullivan9194 Thank you for the feedback and good luck with your future contributions to the mtg community. If the source of Magic ever dies, the community will persist with strength as long as they are aware of how powerful they/we are. Your content is essential in that respect. Cheers!
      -AM

  • @yeti4954
    @yeti4954 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is like christmas. I can't wait for the other sets. I didn't start playing until Kamigawa block and i can already feel the nostalgia hitting.

    • @DogmeatDied989
      @DogmeatDied989 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The biggest issue in the 90’s was getting hold of the cards you wanted. I had to beg my folks to find and take me to the various comic shops and LGS in neighboring towns to try to find a copy of any specific card. eBay and the internet were not yet a thing where one could locate and buy whatever you wanted across the nation.

    • @DogmeatDied989
      @DogmeatDied989 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kamigawa block was awesome BTW.

  • @flowerchild5473
    @flowerchild5473 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is legitimately the best piece of magic content i have seen in a long time. I was a fan of the original Resleevables, but the extra time and love you put into this is amazing and it definitely shows. I can't wait for the nest episode gents. You've got yourself a new patron.

  • @davidlundquist1979
    @davidlundquist1979 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sheesh, how am I just now finding this? I was an avid listener of the podcast in 2021. Over the course of 2022, not only did I slowly re-listen to every episode, but about once a month I would scour the internet for any news about The Resleevables possibly starting up again. I didn't realize I'd given up before 2023 started until I saw how long ago this was posted.
    Anyway, this was some truly expert level analysis. I thought I knew this set pretty well (I started playing with Revised too), but Patrick touched on some aspects I'd never considered. I definitely hadn't thought about how out of place Sedge Troll and Birds of Paradise are, probably since they've been part of the game since the beginning and I just didn't question it. But yeah, we've got a true Rakdos card and a five color mana dork in a set that otherwise wants you to be all in on mono-color decks. I'm looking forward to more observations like this in the upcoming videos.

  • @Fromaginator
    @Fromaginator ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the first, and likely only time, I've been genuinely excited to see a video TH-cam recommended to me
    I listened to all the podcast episodes last year and was so disappointed when no more got released... Until now!

  • @Cloudy573
    @Cloudy573 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So glad to have you guys back! Looking forward to the future of the show.

  • @crossr1984
    @crossr1984 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I am new to this show. Saw you guys on TCC and I enjoyed your banter, but this is the best. I'm ready to start back at the beginning and fill in some gaps that I have.

  • @TiroDvD
    @TiroDvD 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great episode. What i love about early magic is the ambiguity of the lore in the cards. There are hints here and there but nothing concrete. Their ideas of planeswalkers just going here and there and getting lost really fills the gaps.

  • @matttruesdell5710
    @matttruesdell5710 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been waiting for this to return for so long. Finally. Also glad to see Cedric representing Ground Zero Comics. Fellow Strongsville resident here!

  • @krmont222
    @krmont222 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    To add to the misprints section, the reason they did not include Volcanic Island and COP Black in Alpha is due to not having art for the cards finished in time. The art for Birds of Paradise was originally intended to be the art for volcanic island but they did not like how it had so much focus on the bird. COP Black I think was just forgotten on accident. By the time Beta came around they still didn't have art for it and made it last second on a computer for the first digital MTG art.

    • @NugentStephenD
      @NugentStephenD ปีที่แล้ว +2

      BoP was the original art for tropical Island

    • @Trisket
      @Trisket ปีที่แล้ว +6

      According to Mark Poole (possibly Jesper Myrfors who I believe was lead art director at the time) the rumor that Birds of Paradise was intended to be Tropical Island is false. It was submitted as one of multiple iterations of art for basic Island, but Richard Garfield saw it and was inspired to create the infamous Birds.

  • @daredewley9231
    @daredewley9231 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Glad to see you guys back! The energy on this one was great. I can tell you were excited to talk ABU.

  • @JimmysALilGirl
    @JimmysALilGirl หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Started with your 5th Edition video and now I'm watching them all. You don't know how many hours I've spent looking up things about the old sets and even the "newer" ones, lol. Thanks for doing these and I hope you can keep making them in the future.

  • @cupofsun
    @cupofsun ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wanted to come say thanks dudes, I've been waiting literally years for this!

  • @dumpsterfire9345
    @dumpsterfire9345 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Glad to have this back! Excited for the new format!

  • @jman0965
    @jman0965 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm happy you guys are back and excited for more from you two! Love your work both before and now!

  • @CtrlAltJon
    @CtrlAltJon ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As someone who picked up the game in 2018, these deep dives into the early sets are most likely the closest I’ll get to playing them. Appreciate!

  • @MagicBawks
    @MagicBawks ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ecstatic to see the boys at it again. Resleevables is among my favorite media I've watched. Looking forward to seeing what yall have got in store for us!

  • @RazorOfArtorias
    @RazorOfArtorias ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So glad to see you back with the The Resleevables! It's really helpful to be able to see the cards as you talk about them.

  • @squadcar25
    @squadcar25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't know this was a podcast before this but I'm really glad this showed up in my recommendations. Hearing Patrick speak about ABUR was great. I'd love a whole video of him just talking about those sets and their designs with stories thrown in randomly.
    Good work, this was a fun video. Can't wait to see more.

  • @mols556
    @mols556 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is awesome. And that Pinback album is one of my favs.

  • @ir0x539
    @ir0x539 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This show makes me so happy. listening to you two is a real treat. thank you so much for making it! ❤

  • @tomfastic4
    @tomfastic4 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been looking for a digestible (and enjoyable) way to learn about the history of magic in chronological order. This is perfect. Ill be inching my way through the eps in the coming months till Im all caught up. Thanks for all of your hardwork!

  • @SpotUncleSammy
    @SpotUncleSammy ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am so stoked to see this series return! Thank you two so much foe keeping this alive! ♥️♥️♥️

  • @imrahil_327
    @imrahil_327 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The pure love for the game and the set just oozes out of every sentence. Fantastic return, can't wait for more.

  • @beatrix-persephone
    @beatrix-persephone ปีที่แล้ว +5

    they did something similar to the stoneforge mystic story recently: Expressive Iteration was banned in pioneer with the exception of in the "Izzet Phoenix" challenger deck, which I'm pretty sure came out like a week after the ban.

  • @JimDavisMTG
    @JimDavisMTG ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Well I know what's gonna be on my top monitor for the next two hours while I try and catch up on all these emails!

  • @slacker3653
    @slacker3653 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So happy to have you both back, looking forward to this beautiful series.

  • @JaySay
    @JaySay ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love you guys; you're unmatched in my eyes as a commentary duo, & your history with mtg is better than most's.
    Super excited to see this on youtube!

  • @hackbug77
    @hackbug77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn't know how much I wanted this. Got into mtg about a year and a half ago and I'm really looking forward to having the older sets broken down for me.

  • @Ultiville
    @Ultiville ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really excellent conclusion and can’t be overstated imo how incredible this is as the first CCG set ever made. There’s the quote about how aeronautics wasn’t an industry or a science but a miracle and I think ABU has some of that feel to it. Just like the early airplanes it’s of course not that there’s nowhere to learn or iterate on it but that seeing it in action makes you realize there’s this incredible thing that can be done that you never thought could be, that this thing is possible that wasn’t before. It’s really rare that something gets there on the first try, that the progenitor work just nails it, and Magic did, and you capture that really well here. Great, great video.

  • @jeremykingston7615
    @jeremykingston7615 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So glad to see these two back at it!

  • @ToeManJon11
    @ToeManJon11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's good to be back. Can't wait for all the things in store from you guys 🙂

  • @nathanielreichley4640
    @nathanielreichley4640 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    YES I am so glad to see these guys back! I've listened to the first run of the Resleevables twice through, so entertaining and informative . Hope you two are doing well.

  • @erikkeldsen6980
    @erikkeldsen6980 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So happy you are back. Hearing you both talk brings me back to the happiest times of Magic commentary for me when I was first getting into the game and watching your coverage any weekend it was on. Thanks for the awesome video, I'm looking forward to many more!

  • @jacobhagen194
    @jacobhagen194 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    2023 got a lot better today

  • @FGCmtg
    @FGCmtg ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So excited for this, you guys are the literal best. Thanks so much!

  • @feliciahennigar1954
    @feliciahennigar1954 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Im so happy that this series has returned, the two greatest commenters alive

  • @Igam08
    @Igam08 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome to see you guys back! Excellent content and production quality.

  • @MookSam
    @MookSam 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Feels good watching a show and seeing Capital on the shelf

  • @adamhartman8361
    @adamhartman8361 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Easy sub. It's so great to listen to the two of you share your thoughts on this OG set, especially with Patrick's having played with those cards. I started with Unlimited and Revised and those will always be nostalgic cards for me. Can't wait for episode 2.

  • @christopherlundgren1700
    @christopherlundgren1700 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aside from counterspells, other early Interrupts included cards which could change the properties of other cards as they were being cast, such as Slight of Mind, Magical Hack, or the "Lace" cycle.

  • @aaronblue5046
    @aaronblue5046 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope somebody has told them about the various unsanctioned Old School 93/94 formats since this came out. CE and IE cards definitely aren't just for Cube. There's a passionate community of us slinging them regularly at the most nostalgic MtG events you can find. And we love our Chaos Orbs too!

  • @Blackadder75
    @Blackadder75 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never met Patrick, but I knew his name from deck designs and tournament coverage.. I met Cedric a few times on the tour, I remember him standing quite broke in Rome at World's at a bus stop and chatting a bit with him. I guess he found the money to get home, because here he is still alive and kicking.
    I am excited to discover this series of set analysis . thank you gentlemen!

  • @KoRnSoldieR24
    @KoRnSoldieR24 ปีที่แล้ว

    The amount of weekends i watched SCG series on twitch just for having a great time listening to you guys, are just immense, wish you the greatest of luck and success, not that you need because you're the GOAT, but it's the least i can do aside from subscribing and liking the videos.

  • @Continuum7
    @Continuum7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just stumbled upon this video and loving it already, going through the sets in full detail is pretty awesome.

  • @cfrydlewicz
    @cfrydlewicz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I lived this time and love that y'all covered it so accurately and with so much inside information I only had inklings of previously. *subscribed*

  • @Dahajda
    @Dahajda ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing podcast. Deep diving into a great set and showing the live it deserves.

  • @cyborg98
    @cyborg98 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been chomping at this over the last few days, been a great company during a difficult time. Thank you both very much, can't wait for more!

  • @holdenpi
    @holdenpi ปีที่แล้ว

    The nice thing about PSully is that you can tell time by how he looks in Clippers memorabilia. A young PSully burninating a shocked Ross Merriam is the origin of this timeline.

  • @switcheruby
    @switcheruby ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a great watch. Ya'll captured the tone of a convention panel better than anything I've ever seen on TH-cam, and I love it.
    I'm not a Magic player but I'm very interested in the history of the MTG as a fan of other card games, and this was very accessible to me.

  • @user-jt9sk3uk9i
    @user-jt9sk3uk9i ปีที่แล้ว

    i hear if i write something it helps you profit. thanks to come back guys. ur podcast was the one ive had a most fun listening of all mtg pods. its like 'top gear' of mtg world. once u have a great chemistry it just flows. good luck with ur YT version. i know ill watch them all.

  • @Iamchrisatkinson
    @Iamchrisatkinson ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So stoked to have this to look forward to again. Hoping you continue to jump around like the previous episodes. I’ve been hoping for a Tarkir episode forever and waiting a few years would make me so sad!

  • @carrikmcnerlin1770
    @carrikmcnerlin1770 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thrilled to see the Return of the Kings. The first run of the show got me through the 90 min drive each way to my first job out of college before we had a covid scare in the office and went full-remote.

  • @tunczyk110
    @tunczyk110 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1:53:20 they actually did another card that you flip onto the table! Falling Star was printed in Legends

  • @matheusdanieldasilveira8788
    @matheusdanieldasilveira8788 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was happy and I knew it! SCG coverage with these two beasts was so so good! I wish you all the best, and will watch every episode of this!

  • @bwheelermtg
    @bwheelermtg ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The boys are back in town. GOAT show

  • @alexanderroberts165
    @alexanderroberts165 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So so awesome that your back and a brilliant episode to boot. Massive thanks

  • @Neologare
    @Neologare ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love to see you guys are back! Greatest comeback this decade. easy.

  • @kingfede1985
    @kingfede1985 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeeeeeeees! Super happy for the return of the podcast, hopefully you'll get to publish the next episodes as audio in other platforms, too, in order to let more people enjoy it.

  • @TheVivanter
    @TheVivanter ปีที่แล้ว

    I just keep thinking about individual lines from this video and coming back to watch it again. So glad to see the second coming of Resleevables and pumped for the next one!

  • @bortle
    @bortle ปีที่แล้ว +2

    love the show gang. btw, if y'all aren't gonna use that UG omnihive behind Ced I'll take it off your hands. LMK!

  • @camberleaf2410
    @camberleaf2410 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was SIIIICK!! The effort put into this made the wait for your triumphant return so worth

  • @m.bmcginnis9733
    @m.bmcginnis9733 ปีที่แล้ว

    So glad you guys brought this to TH-cam. Loved the podcast I’m sure this will be just as fun.

  • @ColinthePulkrabek
    @ColinthePulkrabek ปีที่แล้ว

    Words fail my attempt to compliment this content and I am excited beyond measure to hear that this will continue🧙🏼
    🙏🏻

  • @Oakenbull
    @Oakenbull ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is elite content, i am enthralled

  • @pjrappa
    @pjrappa ปีที่แล้ว

    Have been waiting for the return for so long and you guys did not disappoint. Excited to support future content for a long time. 👍🏼

  • @bugsySA
    @bugsySA ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome. Is it going to back as a podcast or is it youtube only for now?

  • @scottwagner3558
    @scottwagner3558 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so glad to see you guys back. Loved resleevables a few years ago. Love the new format and deeper dives

  • @xksellersx
    @xksellersx ปีที่แล้ว

    Fastest subscribe of my life. Loved the podcast version of the show. The two of you have been the voice of my primary hobby for the last decade or so. Thanks!

  • @Lucarioguild7
    @Lucarioguild7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Obviously from today's standpoint so many walls seems bad but I do appreciate the thought behind it of you're a powerful wizards and you builds walls to protect you from minions so you can just sling spells at the guy in the castle across from you without worrying about them.

  • @JD-gk7eh
    @JD-gk7eh ปีที่แล้ว

    When I first started playing, I read about Wooden Sphere in the rulebook because it was in one of the example games. I was so excited about that card that I just had to find one and get it for my deck! I didn't know there were 4 others in the other colors until a bit later.

  • @admiralron
    @admiralron ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Admittedly I'm only ten minutes into the video, but where's the classic upper deck story from Patrick? ;) Great stuff guys, so glad you're back!

  • @nicholaslott4575
    @nicholaslott4575 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love you Guys!! Sorry it took me so long to find this channel, I insta-subbed!
    Been playing since '95, don't forget about putting damage on the stack!! Lol

  • @steelrcurtn95
    @steelrcurtn95 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    u guys are back!!! I'm so happy

  • @heatfist117
    @heatfist117 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely outstanding, so much info and so entertaining. I never caught the original pod, so I'm extremely hyped for this iteration going forward.

  • @santaclauseking
    @santaclauseking 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I learned so much in this episode. Excellent work guys!

  • @flateric8018
    @flateric8018 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you can, I'd recommend using your old podcast feed to let people know you're on youtube. Been waiting for you folks to come back for a year and suddenly found out I missed that it's been happening for 2 weeks!

  • @camzombies
    @camzombies ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very strong return, will be looking forward to every video!

  • @Dyals_Style
    @Dyals_Style ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Storytime with Cedy and Sully

  • @Zytri92
    @Zytri92 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad prof recommended you guys

  • @TheEPICStorm
    @TheEPICStorm ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved this! Glad you two are back

  • @WLDFLD
    @WLDFLD ปีที่แล้ว

    really insightful comments on lotus & wrath at the end!!!

  • @smelltank
    @smelltank ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes!!! It's back!!! Shout it from the rooftops!!! Mtg's greatest podcast is back!!!

  • @KingSmudge
    @KingSmudge ปีที่แล้ว

    I have waited for this day for so long. There were times I never thought it would be back but I am so happy it is.

  • @Ultiville
    @Ultiville ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are at least seven non-counterspell interrupts in ABU: the five Laces, Magical Hack, and Sleight of Mind, all totally wild cards by modern standards.

    • @hermodnitter3902
      @hermodnitter3902 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Let's not forget Fork was also an interrupt, such a cool card!

    • @Ultiville
      @Ultiville ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hermodnitter3902 oh yeah good ol' Fork! Good call.

  • @KellyUnekis
    @KellyUnekis ปีที่แล้ว

    To add on to the point about early packs having so much land and that being important, the Starter Decks at the time had only a random assortment of land instead of a preset number of each. My friends and I bought a starter each of Revised to just shuffle and play very early on, one of us pulled a Force of Nature and two forests.

  • @triskele_mtg8608
    @triskele_mtg8608 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good documentary. I appreciated a lot ! It allows for me to improve my knowledge. Cedric and Patrick make good pairs :)

  • @moongoose1986
    @moongoose1986 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sometimes the TH-cam algo just gets it right! Subbed! So happy to see the two goats back together.

  • @clairbeeguitar
    @clairbeeguitar ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great episode guys!
    the sound effect during the quiz rounds was a little unpleasant though.