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Ice Age | The Resleevables #9 | Magic: The Gathering History MTG
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan are here for their deep dive on Magic's sixth expansion - Ice Age!
The duo dissect Magic's biggest swing yet, with their thoughts on cumulative upkeep, snow lands, the introduction of cantrips, far too many color hosers, and the card that Inquest said was the worst card in the set!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
2:22 Facts
23:05 Lore
29:28 Mechanics
1:00:22 Cycles
1:31:49 Trivia
1:50:08 Awards Show
2:05:39 Final Grade
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Credits:
Directed by: Jonathan Choi
Produced by: Cedric Phillips and Jonathan Choi
Edited by: Jonathan Choi
Written by: Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan
Graphics by: Ray Dill
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Information sourced from MagicTheGathering.com, TheSideboard.com, MTGWiki.com and numerous conversations with previous and current Magic players
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Now I really want to hear about Dave Humphreys's epic Ice Age Prelealease run.
it’ll probs be up on the next paywall ep after they read this and feel like this?
If memory serves there is a Rosewater drive to work episode all about it with Dave Humpherys as a guest
I remember my mom buying me a starter deck case at a discount probably when alliances was coming out,
A single mom going out of her way to bring me joy, bless her heart!
Love goes out to all the single parenting hustlerz!
Oh boy, a star to her for bring you the Joy, a star for you for knowing the strugle. Bless you and her.
Every child deserves both their parents. I'm sorry you missed out man, I can relate.
thx guys and/or girls!
I'm very fortunate to have her and her family, in hindsight things worked out for the best!
Funny enough, both pairs of Pyroblast/Hydroblast and Order of the Sacred Torch/Stromgard Cabal were left out of the hoser count, so there's actually TWENTY-NINE HOSERS in this set. TWENTY. NINE. What a wild time.
1:39:45 I love watching Patrick rocking out to the text of Balduvian Shaman! That is hilarious!
Can we talk about Chaos Lord & Chaos Moon? They require players to count every single permanent in play, every single turn. On the whole battlefield! I played ONE game in my life featuring Chaos Lord, **IN 1996**, and I still remember it extremely vividly because of how absurd the experience was.
Makes you wonder if they actually bothered playing with it before printing it
Old School 95 magic - where you splash the Swedish format w/ Ice Age - is insanely fun. Zuran Orb makes Lich Mirror much more viable. Using Eureka to drop the Polar Kraken with instill energy and concordant crossroads is one of the funnest plays I ever did.
I audibly gasped when I saw a new episode posted.
I work at an LGS, and put these up on the TV on loop the day they come out. This series is a genuine treat
YEEEES LETS GO
Me tooooo
I didn'r
HARD same.
I have no idea why as a player that started less than a year ago, looking through ice age cards is so cool to me. Maybe I'm a lunatic but I wish I could play a game with an ice age deck. It just seems like it would be so crazy and swingy, and all the art is so totally varied. There are so many whacky cards in this set it would just be so exciting to see what shows up each turn
So ALICE is your format (Ice age + Alliances). Cool format, great metagame
Yes. I was a kid in 94 but climate change being such a mass hit on the news anos stuf, Ice age have always being Nice to me.
Fun trivia I learned from Drew Tucker. The art for Flare was the original art meant for the card Wrath of God. Late in development, they chose to change the artwork to Hoover's piece.
SO much nostalgia from this set. It was the newest set when I first started playing (the first time) MTG. I remember getting a copy of Inquest and thinking the Ice Age cards looked so awesome compared to the older cards...also notable in those inquest was how expensive Black Lotus and the Moxen seemed to a 6th grader in 1995 at $300 and $100 each.
Same
nothing like kicking back after an fnm with the resleevables 😎
This series is amazing! I literally drop everything to watch new episodes.
4th, Fallen Empires, and Chronicles were all on the shelf when I started, but the first card I ever saw was Shambling Strider. Lots of nostalgia from this set.
The perfect upload for my Friday evening. Ice Age had just come out around the time I started, and I have tons of nostalgia for it. For all the silliness of them, I'm incredibly partial to the Snow-Covered Forest and Snow-Covered Mountain-just unforgettable art. Norrit, too. Might have made my eyes glaze over, but the art always stood out to me
The best part about this episode was Pat settling into a trance to the tune of Cedric going through walls of text
hearing cedric talk about polar kraken reminds me of back when i first began playing, way later than these guys but in dragons maze my friend gave me a Trostani's Summoner and i was obsessed with this game ever since i cast it the first time. really good memories, great episode and love your work guys. keep it up
Ice Age gets way too much hate. I really think it course corrected a lot of the errors that WotC made with the early expansions. They’re still figuring out the formula here but you can tell they’re improving things without just power creeping it all.
There's a few 10/10 ideas, a few 0/10 ideas. Many 5/10 ideas. But the concept is amazing. So I feel like it should grade higher than other earlier sets. I don't think it's all that bad.
Best Limited common: Lava Burst
uncommon: Icy Manipulator
rare: Stormbind
also, InQuest's worst card in the set was Elkin Bottle, not Necro
The editing is fantastic for this. So good and funny.
The best thing about Jester’s Cap was playing it with some kind of graveyard recursion to gradually take all of the relevant cards out of their deck so they’d draw nothing but blanks.
It's so wild to watch them talk about Meteor Shower because in a way, that WAS the card that got me into magic. I fell in love with Fireball and the idea of X spells in Fourth Edition as a kid, and then Meteor Shower just convinced me that they were the best idea ever to build a deck around. Guess I was a math nerd even at eight years old.
Dark Ritual from ice age has the best art
Always so hype for every episode.
Best MtG podcast ever... Best TCG podcast ever tbh
Legendary duo. So glad you guys started a pod / YT show. Amazing topics for far too
Last time I was this early, it was the Ice Age
Love the episodes. One suggestion would be a section at the end of the awards called “Notables” to just mention any other powerful cards or influential cards from the set
Yeah, like Zuran Orb was a major card from this set. Reprint of Icy as well.
Yeah, when we are talking about all the random cycles and mirrored pairs I am like "how are these notable? Talk about cards we remember or are cool."
Could be fun for sure.
My pick for blowout limited card is Ray of Command. Basically every combat declaration has to considered under the lens of "what happens if they steal one of my creatures in combat and use it to block the others."
There are higher impact cards like Fire Covenant which can be 3 mana Plague Wind. But Ray of Command at common means you experience it frequently.
this episode came out SHOCKINGLY fast. i’ve been so excited to hear you guys talk about this set
I have "fond" memories of playing a Zur's Weirding/Firemane Angel control deck when both were legal in standard. Some opponents had so little idea what Weirding did that they would play out a few more turns of the game, drawing no more cards, in a sort of daze.
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. I hope y'all grow and extend your reach. This series has been very informative, entertaining, and genuinely interesting. Thanks y'all, keep up the good work.
One of my favorite podcasts! Always a pleasure
I share Cedric's love for Ice Age. My first card I fell in love with was Scaled Wurm, for the same reasons. It was huge and had great artwork!
2:02:49 I just love how Necropotence was literally declared the worst card in the set by Inquest, only to then warp the entire game around itself, and be banned or restricted in every format except type II (for reasons that I will never understand, it didn’t catch a ban in Type II). The inquest part seems to be mostly lost to history, and I tell people about it occasionally to get a good laugh out of that fact!
My favorite set of all time!
Excellent content gentlemen! Keep up the great work.
Ice Age was my first set. I was too young to unerstand the rules but we LOVED the art and flavor. We'd make up our own rules to play. Then 4 years later my friend group actually knew how to play and i got hooked ever since.
I really appreciate the work you put in to give us this great series! When you're finished this will be such a great compendium for future generations.
Shocked Ice Cauldron didn't even get considered for weirdest card!
[looks it up] im not reading all that but im sorry that happened. or im happy for you. idk
@@violetto3219 As I recall in the 90s we also didn't feel like reading Ice Cauldron.
Necropotence was the massive wall of text we were interested in and had strong opinions about.
this might also be the set I cracked the most of, looking for first Stormbind and then Necropotence....yes, I thought Stormbind was insane and Necropotence was garbage....thankfully by the time I realized my mistake I had a few copies of Necropotence already...but this was also an easy way to get Swords and Incinerate for all my decks so I have no regrets...many after school days and weekends spent cutting grass and hauling trash in my neighborhood for spare change to buy packs of Ice Age...
@27:50 yeah, you definitely need a lorebrarian. Let me know where to send my resume. It's not relevant to writing but I love the lore of MTG
I will defend cumilitive upkeep as a theme. It could be seen as the snow cumiliating. So every day there is more snow, as it's in an ice age, so the numbers grow, thawing and such make more sense towards alliances and such once the snow starts to melt.
I love Polar Kraken so much. And honestly on the scale of other big creatures with drawbacks at the time, it's not that bad. Now I'm not saying it's GOOD, but compare Kraken to things like Leviathan, Colossus of Sardia and Force of Nature. Polar Kraken is WAY better than them. Sacrificing lands each turn isn't that bad when you already needed 11 lands to cast it in the first place, and it only needs to attack once or twice anyway
Pronunciation help: every 'J' in the set is pronounced like an English 'Y', so Kjeldoran is 'Kyell-doh-ran' and Fylgja is 'Feelg-yuh'
General Jarkeld was the inspiration for Ulfric Stormcloak in Skyrim.
Hyalopterous Lemure: Everyone knows that artist Richard Thomas confused lemure (a restless spirit in Roman mythology) with lemur (a tree-dwelling mammal), but he had to look up what hyalopterous meant (it means a lesser order of divine beings), and ended up with hymenopterous by mistake (which is the order of insects that includes ants, bees and wasps, hence the lemur's insect wings).
Love this set. Started playing july '95 and I remember opening a Moor Fiend from my first pack, and I thought it looked so awesome!
Shanodin Dryads was errataed from a Nymph to a Dryad in 6th edition. However, they eventually split the difference, as its present creature type is Nymph Dryad! Since updated creature types were being mentioned, I'd say Pat gets the bonus points there.
As a fun fact, almost the exact same thing happened in 2020. Theros Beyond Death had a cycle of Theros's 5 varieties of Nymphs across the colors, with an Alseid, a Naiad, a Lampad, an Oread, and a Dryad. All five were printed with creature type Nymph. But after public outcry, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove - once again, a green Nymph - was errataed to Nymph Dryad.
Suggestion: During the awards ceremony, after you've revealed your picks/the award (i.e during the discussion afterwards) could you keep the award/name of the award on screen somewhere? Sometimes I forget what award y'all are debating/discussing and it'd be nice to have a glance and see the name or icon and that might jog my memory. Doesn't need to take up much screen real esate.
That's also just on me for having a short attention span/being easily distracted though!
If I'm not mistaken, this set has the highest volume of color hosers.
The Talismans are all named after stones.
Jester’s Cap pack art was the most memorable for me
I loved snow covered lands back then. They seemed special and thematically cool. Even though they had like no real mechanical differences.
I'm so indescribably happy to see this series pop up in my feed. My PSully-signed playset of Price of Progress is still over of the showcases of my collection.
I started playing Magic within a month or so of Ice Age being released, IIRC. So yeah, the newest sets when I started playing were Ice Age and 4th edition. Ice Age is the first set that I got current packs of, and my first tournament was Ice Age sealed deck, which I was bad at, and in retrospect, as a limited format, was awful! But this set is still a ton of nostalgia for me!
For casual players, this is actually the set that saved Magic, not Alliances. It was so huge it allowed players to try out new cards all the way until the next set release. Lots of fun experiments from this set.
I think Demonic Consultation is the best commander card in the set due to the fact that’s part of the best wincon of decks including blue and black when paired with Thassa’s Oracle
New episode of Resleevables, guess my next 2 hours is spoken for
I understand the attachment to polar kraken on a deep level. My first card was a Rot Wolf and that card has always ALWAYS lived with me despite being a 3 mana 2/2 with infect draft chaff
excited for a lore consultant. it's become easily one of my favorite parts of the game and as we get closer to more modern sets it's going to be super important. i also think it's great for people who may not usually pay attention to it to be introduced, i think a good number of them will find themselves pleasantly surprised and interested
I love when Patrick dances like he’s listening to jazz as Cedric reads “bangers” 😂
I also have the same love for Polar Kraken, my first magic cards were two boosters and a starter of Ice Age and I opened a Polar Kraken in my starter.
Not too long after I was introduced and started gaming with the one Cedric Phillips. Had to pop on the Ocean Avenue album and Tall Cans after watching this episode to close the nostalgia loop.
One thing I do enjoy about snow lands is it is IMO a better way to do something like Imperiosaur, making it that you must use a basic land to cast something/ activate an ability, and then having the option to have stuff like the ETB tapped snow duals be able to fix your "basic lands matters" deck, rather than just having to use basic lands, if that make any sense.
I tried to make a little fan made set file that was basic lands matter once a LONG time ago. Modern Horizons and Kaldhiem's snow themes did a lot of the things I tried to design better by using snow instead.
As an old fogey, I am loving these retrospectives
I can't wait for the podcasts coming up where pro tours exist and grand prixs. I miss the stories about tournament winners and what Cedric and Patrick did then. Either way the videos are awesome. Keep on keeping on
I pulled a Jester’s Cap when it was the chase card of the set. I was king among the 7th grade geeks!!
To answer your question about the best Limited card(s) in Ice Age:
It's Fire Covenant, which was printed at Uncommon. Just an absolutely busted card for limited play; it is one of the VERY few cards I had to cut from my Peasant Cube for power-level reasons (the others are Sol Ring, Mana Drain, etc.)
The runners-up for that position are Icy Manipulator (old reliable), Karplusan Yeti (repeatable small-creature removal on a playable body, in context), Skull Catapult (MUCH stronger back when you could put combat damage on the stack), and Hecatomb (find 4 trash creatures to sacrifice, and then you basically just win the game).
Started playing in 1997 and early in my days, I wanted to play Snow-Covered Lands because I liked the art on them over 4th Edition Lands and Mirage (that's all the choices we got, 3 sets of lands). I was told not to because of cards like Icequake and Thermokarst, which were just in people's decks, and you could just get punished for no gameplay reason. I've never really gotten over that, actually, and every time I think to include snow lands, I think of whether they might just bite me somehow (now, they don't, which feels strange too). That's another big part of the failure, I think, that Snow-covered lands fail as a "hey, this is neat" aesthetic because of the random punisher cards.
I am legit terrified of how the Homelands episode is gonna go.
Here we go! My favorite set! Been playing scince ice age! SCALED WURM BABY! the art was perfect in this set, even the the bulk cards were beautiful.
Iconic set which deserves more credit.
❄🤘❄
"You've never heard of them referred to as 'The East Coast Playtesters.'" Me, a long-time Drive to Work listener: "Always have been."
I also received Norritt as a promo (with Wizard Magazine). It's the reason why I got into the game at all, as silly as that sounds. After reading that rules text I just had to know how to play the game it came from.
DaHump! that dude was my MTGO rival back in the day. Awesome listen.
Ice Age was my first set. I learned to play with a starter deck, straight out of the box, all five colors. I can still remember how the cards smelled and felt the first time I took them out. I think Elvish Healer was the first card I laid eyes on in that deck.
My local shop has two sealed Ice Age starters that are super tempting. But not worth the $100 price tag they currently have.
Slow trips are kinda flavorful for the set too..kinda reflects the way cold slows everything down
As someone who plays a lot of "competitive" edh. It's definitely demonic consultation or mystic remora for best edh card.
Also, just discovered your channel through the BoshNRoll's, and just love the content you put out ❤
hey now, Disharmony from Legends did temporary control before Ray of Command...
nevertheless this is my favorite Magic series on YT. Fantastic work.
I started playing days before this set dropped. Reality Twist was the first rare I pulled from a pack. I tried so hard to lock people with Necro, Weirding, Ivory Tower, and Fountains of Youth. Also blocked a lot of Serra Angels and Sengir Vampires with Woolly Spider. Those days were amazing.
3:39 I started playing with 4th edition (sigh, I missed dual lands) but 4th starters had designated basic land slots because basics were on a separate sheet, and starters were the only way to get 4th basic lands.
I preordered a box of 10 starters of Ice Age. It was the first set I would say I played the game "seriously". It was so exciting that they had reprints, and OMFG you dont have to pay for basic lands? (like basics were betweeen 0.25 and 1.00 EACH in my area back then),
Thank you for the amazing content!! Subbed!
Everytime the Resleeveables theme hits I'm grooving
Nice! Posted just in time for my lunch break at work
By the way, the names of the talismans are not made up Magic words. They're actual English words for materials that are actually used to make jewelry.
For those who want to know a little more about the Ice Age prerelease, I would recommend Marc Rosewaters podcast episode about it. Marc also played at that tournament, attending it as a reporter. He probably would have made top cut if he didn't drop out due to his coverage responsibilities.
That part where Patrick couldn’t guess the counters was hilarious.
Hearing Cedric talk about polar kraken reminds me of me and tajuru pathwarden; 5/4 vigilance trample for 4G and was a powerhouse in the first constructed deck I made. Sometimes it is just "big creatures"
2:06:39 According to a story going around my game store back in the days of Ice Age is that Jester ‘s Cap is also a self portrait of Dan Frazier.
I think the best limited card in the set is Icy Manipulator.
Runner ups:
Skull Catapult
Fire Covenant
Binding Grasp
Re the critique of the Lava Tubes Cycle: They did that in Champions, with Lantern-Lit Graveyard et al.
My first Stompy deck was a bunch of birds of paradise, scribe sprites, llanowar elves, mons goblin raiders, ornithopters, concordant crossroads, and this guy.
And you could usually swing for lethal on literally turn 4.
The Marton Stromgald.
I love the art on Karplusan Yeti from 9th Edition so much I bought a foil.
Awesome episode, I still love Ice Age despite how bad or unfun a lot of its card mechanics are. I guess my nostalgia is based on the art and the 'feel' of the cards, it was also one of the very first sets I bought packs of at my local comic store, it was all so new and exciting back then.
Fylgja was also a misprint in Ice Age, it was printed with the old white mana symbols. If I remember correctly this was because it was a preview card in one of the old magazines.
Edit: HAHA, I should watch the whole video.
1:24:23 Old Magic Things (tm) - two cards that are almost exact mirrors of each other, but their abilities in the text are switched for no good reason
I remember Zur's Weirding in Ravnica standard (best standard ever, so many decks) in Firemane Control.
Polar Kraken had the power to Summon Cedric. Seems pretty powerful
Harsh but fair review. Will Coldsnap beat Ice Age? Can't wait to find out. And thanks for making this podcast/youtube show.
It feels a little weird to me, (because I also didn't experience playing this set but have since come across many of the odd and weirdly worded cards for my collection,) but Ice Age seems like it would be kind of fun (more like better😂) to just watch *others* play with all the crazy designs and matchups.
Do you want to play with 15, no, 20, _no,_ 25, _NO,_ 27 hosers? Do you want to keep track of 6 different upkeep triggers? Do you want to wonder if that glass bead on your creature is a +1/+1, +0/+1, music, snow, or brownie counter?
I mean, that's what a notepad is for, but isn't it a lot more fun to watch your friends board get wiped, to see their 4 creatures never untap, and to watch them fumble around as they track their mana pool because their mountains tap for black, and their swamps tap for green?
You know what... Writing this all out is even too hard to handle.
Let's just bust out some regular cards and play a hand or two of poker...
No one played limited back then. So it was more turn 1; Swamp, Dark Ritual, Necropotence, draw 5 or 6 cards, go.
Fantastic show again, thanks
I get to play Arena while watching the best podcast in the world? It’s a good night.
I remember the most hyped or overrated cards from this set being the cap and mask...they were the most expensive too by alot. Also alot of hype for a icy manipulator reprint. I think icy was the best limited card from the set.
Love every second of this. Also love/hate ice age, but at least the basic lands are all bangers
Right in the middle of my shift. Thanks yall