"There are two sentiments loose in the world and you're going to not get through this life without taking sides." Art by Marc Salamat and Brandon Stricker
McKenna's been dead for over two decades, and yet his talks keep getting better and better. In this small excerpt we get his take on both sides of a deeply important and nuanced question, and like a true teacher, he doesn't give us an answer. I guess we have to appreciate WPAHP's excellent curation work. Thank you for taking your time to edit and share this!
I just want to say "Hi" to everyone. I have no one to discuss these types of things with in my personal life, but it occupies a lot of my thinking. This channel is amazing and I just want to say I'm glad there's a place for all this. Its a lot to digest but I'm up to the task. Love you guys.
The very end is interesting as it takes into account the disposition and history of the plants themselves as it colors the type of trip/message it provides.
@@frogonaut5586 Life (which first occurred in the oceans) began 4 billion years ago. Fungi 'terra-formed' the surface of the uninhabited volcanic rock Earth 1.5 billion years ago; they slowly digested the rock into soil. This allowed the plants from the seas to colonize land 500 million years ago which in turn allowed animals to start colonizing land. Modern humans, which appeared 1 or 2 million years ago, are descended from fungi, not plants. Fungi breath in oxygen, not CO2, like plants. Fungal spores are hardy and can survive in space, just like tardigrades (water bears). It's possible that spores floated into our atmosphere from another planet. McKenna promulgated this idea, but many great mycologists, such as Paul Stamets, reject this hypothesis. (Psychedelic) mushrooms are nomadic in the sense that they are globally ubiquitous: they can be found in every continent apart from Antarctica, unlike other psychedelic plants. They are highly adaptive and 'itinerant' travelers in that sense. I recommend watching the documentary 'Fantastic Fungi'.
" 'Good intentions' are not sufficient, you have to locate where the threat is coming from and act accordingly. ... We have to decide: What does life want? "
@@mariofox8377 Yes we are leaders in the project of life (if it can be called that). But what we really want or let alone ought to want, that is one of the most difficult questions there is. I think the good, the true, and the beautiful are aspects of it.
I know it was already an expression before its recent usage, but it's still a fun surprise to hear him use the word "nothingburger." It's like he plucked it out of the ether as a future word fad.
Bottom line: conclusions cannot be drawn from unknowns, and even this is a conclusion drawn from an unknown. THAT is the dilemma. The unknowable is unknowable.
Terence keeps asking: “How can you do both?” And I keep thinking: “Why can’t we do both?” It would be great to hear why he thought it was not possible. Anyone who’s got a lead? Our modern times is a great example on how we can do both. For example manipulating light (through computers and screens) actually seem to save so much energy in other parts of the world, that’s it’s actually easier to regenerate nature (for example by decreasing CO2 pollution by not taking a plane to a meeting, but using a PC instead). I think we humans are supposed to walk on both legs, no matter if it’s natural or technological. Sounds kinda like what Terence is pointing towards. So how can’t we do both Terence?
Perhaps wonder if we, ourselves, are also evolving. This can be an “obvious” statement if it’s assumed that we know of the evolution happening while it’s occurring. If you beLIEve that you are a single YOU and separate, then picking one from the other could be daunting. But what if I’m not separate? That everything happening outside is happening inside? That if I choose to go, that this reality will continue to BE, but it will continue evolving as I leave onward on MY personal journey and adventure to explore liminality in leu of my very own evolution. -Choosing doesn’t exist- is something I’ve wondered.
IMO the “modern” world offers an example of how we’re doing the OPPOSITE of both, while deluding ourselves into thinking we’re accomplishing either goal. Telecommuting may be “less bad” than riding an airplane, but it isn’t carbon neutral (let alone negative), & computers have enormous footprints (last I read, it takes about 2 tons of resources to make your average computer). Likewise, our current conception of interstellar travel is deeply flawed; if we can’t survive on a planet we literally evolved to live on, which freely provides for all of our *needs*, then how could we ever survive in an artificial environment where we are required to meet our own needs entirely on our own AND solve all of the unforeseen problems we encounter? The two ideas are (currently) diametrically opposed, and we haven’t figured out how to reconcile them, especially given Kaczynski’s brilliant arguments against technology.
@@josephguite1580 I can see your point, but i'm not sure i see the alternative. While computers take up a lot of ressources to produce, they can compensate by saving energy and ressources over a long time, if we take good care of it. But it still produce pollution, compared to not building a PC or an airplane in the first place. So what's the alternative? Something like a future without means of faster transportation or a future where only the richest can afford a car, so that humans don't pollute the climate with too much CO2? Or could we actually find "loopholes" for example by creating new technology that enables our ability to manipulate light greater, and therefor STAY where we are, while we TRAVELLING and exploring, at the same time? I think your point about learnining to navigate through hyperspace is spot on. We really still have much to learn and that's also why i get your point about having to choose one or the other. I'm not just sure that it's not ever possible for us to do both.
@Adam Andreasen Amen, brother. You really have been sipping from Terence’s magic potion. Most people running the Industrial-Consumer 2.0 Operating System can’t even imagine that any alternative to technology exists. (It’s the “modern” layman’s Holy Grail) Your point about technology (“computers”) saving resources is *theoretically* true, but the underlying assumptions don’t hold up in a Growth-obsessed capitalist society. The average life of a computer is about two years and *shrinking* - and you’d be hard pressed to find a company still running Windows 95 on IBM computers (Business is a competitive dawg-eat-dawg kinda world after all). Complex technology has only existed for ~1% of human history, and it’s been destroying our environment for 100% of that time. Let’s figure out how to survive on this planet before attenpting to trash the rest.
@@notsure5876 It will probably just be the ultra rich that will afford it. The rest of us need to get our shit together and save what we can. Learn from indigenous peoples
@@mattneufeld3399 one could say that the indigenous and the “elite” (not a bad word btw) have a lot in common. Neither wanted to go down the road of consumerism that the masses demand which they both knew would eventually lead to this idiocracy reality we are currently in and hopefully sooner than later… it’s own eventual ending. Difference is.. the wealthy played along and produced and sold them the junk they demand. Indigenous rather not play. Prolly bc not only does it wreck the planet but eventually the people who demand you produce their junk will turn on you and wish to destroy you and take everything you’ve earned. I respect both indigenous and elite. Both are looking forward to its conclusion. I sure am. All this trying to “wake” others and “save” others… first of all, it’s impossible, but even if you could… why?
When there’s nothing to liberate yourself you can finally do whatever is it you are doing. The liberation is realizing you don’t have to look elsewhere but this moment for transcendence and liberation. Liberation doesn’t begin or end, it’s something we cling to when we lose the home of now.
Both. The truth is that we need a social life that allows the exploration of the pleroma, and we need to fix the earth while we do that. I say this because I am a student, a student who raises their hand to give an answer hoping the class agrees.
Strange how we are more and more looking and. Seeking a for a way out with over population and dirty rivers it’s. Such a. Shame. When this place is a. Paradise
Yea what he stated first my position is both some 🐝 like why bother we getting another earth or moving to another planet or the after life .However we have to take care of this planet if not it could be destroyed for good but many d ok nt care or think we can't destroy the planet by wasting resources and polluting the land field... Name of song at the end? Thanks Peter keep it up homeboy
I believe both. In the next life and taking care of this planet. I have had very many dreams of asteroids falling. Such surreal and terrifying yet peaceful imagery to be a part of🙏🏻
I think the great dilemma is solved by there being so many of us. We can have a bunch of humans focus on blowing up asteroids and we can have a bunch of humans who replant the forests. It’s both.
Mushrooms, apocalyptarian… exactly! LSD seems to speak to me the most but I noticed I can change the experience. For me it starts out with this currently very mainstream “oneness” message but I feel like that’s a bs lie being broadcast on repeat like the French woman’s cry for help on lost… blocking the signal. I’ve been doing this long long time. I say pass to that message and I’m able to perform major magic etc and really open up my “left hand path”. 🤷🏻♂️ I’ve never called bs to the dmt. I’m about to try that next. Something like the labyrinth. I got this idea from the mushrooms. They told me the plants aren’t telling the truth. I said “the plants are lying?” It just repeated… the plants aren’t telling the truth. Wow the rabbit hole got deeper after that. 🤪
I hate it when people just talk about healing or becoming a good responsible person no body talks about synchronicity or paranormal stories or powerfull problem solving etc
If the answers to solve these problems include journeying to other places in the Universe... then yes. How could the great work and eternal journey not include Universal travels?
Humans decide not not to save the planet and build starships instead. Humans arrive on new planet Humans make it habitable and fill it with life New planet gets hit by gamma ray burst
it's very naive to think that just because something is being destroyed, there is a good reason for it. capitalism doesn't destroy the planet because it's somehow necessary fir building a huge space empire, it is mainly because of overproduction and -consumption. in short, a short-sighted profit motive
McKenna's been dead for over two decades, and yet his talks keep getting better and better. In this small excerpt we get his take on both sides of a deeply important and nuanced question, and like a true teacher, he doesn't give us an answer. I guess we have to appreciate WPAHP's excellent curation work. Thank you for taking your time to edit and share this!
there r no coincidences in the Youniverse
Dude... yes!!
"There are no points for good intentions in the game of evolution."
What the heck you can post selfmade emojis on TH-cam?!
I disagree. Jordan Peterson makes a good argument for why good intentions are adaptive.
I was listening at this exact phrase as I was reading this comment. What are the odds?
Please tell me how PLEASE
Terence has meme’d himself into a damn emoji.
I just want to say "Hi" to everyone. I have no one to discuss these types of things with in my personal life, but it occupies a lot of my thinking. This channel is amazing and I just want to say I'm glad there's a place for all this. Its a lot to digest but I'm up to the task. Love you guys.
Please feel free to talk to me and let me know your thoughts on this! I’d love to hear your thoughts.
✌
I'm hear 4 you...love laber
Hi right back at you, and feel free to drop your thoughts here. There's also a Mckenna community website by the creator of this channel
Love you bud
02:00 "sounds like a sperm entering an egg"
blew my mind
"The mushroom has nomadic ethics..."
Terrance does a great job of smoothening out this ride I call “life.”
The very end is interesting as it takes into account the disposition and history of the plants themselves as it colors the type of trip/message it provides.
So many years later and this is as relevant as ever...
I believe these two concepts are the sacred first principles that perverted and rotted into our modern day politics.
I wish there were more free thinkers, visionaries and conceptual explorers like Terrance Mckenna. One of the greats for sure!
that woman who spoke up at the end had a brilliant point
Sperm entering the egg.
Yeah, I thought so too. The mushroom is a traveler.
I’m intrigued by this but don’t quite get it. How is the mushroom of a nomadic lifestyle? Because it’s theorized to be of alien origin?
@@frogonaut5586 Because there is a chance the spores travelled trough space.
@@frogonaut5586 Life (which first occurred in the oceans) began 4 billion years ago. Fungi 'terra-formed' the surface of the uninhabited volcanic rock Earth 1.5 billion years ago; they slowly digested the rock into soil. This allowed the plants from the seas to colonize land 500 million years ago which in turn allowed animals to start colonizing land. Modern humans, which appeared 1 or 2 million years ago, are descended from fungi, not plants. Fungi breath in oxygen, not CO2, like plants.
Fungal spores are hardy and can survive in space, just like tardigrades (water bears). It's possible that spores floated into our atmosphere from another planet. McKenna promulgated this idea, but many great mycologists, such as Paul Stamets, reject this hypothesis.
(Psychedelic) mushrooms are nomadic in the sense that they are globally ubiquitous: they can be found in every continent apart from Antarctica, unlike other psychedelic plants. They are highly adaptive and 'itinerant' travelers in that sense.
I recommend watching the documentary 'Fantastic Fungi'.
hey good piece and great artwork from Mark & Brandon.
Both. We need to do both. To preserve life and to spread it. Like love. It’s not perfect, but it deserves a chance. Wabi Sabi.
Yeah that’s what I’m betting on too.
Thank you for keeping TM in my life for so long.
What a 5 minute GEM this is! The mushroom should be proud with Terence :)! Also the art and music are great.
i am torn between the extrapolation of the these two concepts as they relate to the the way my psyche functions in the everyday all the time
Terence McKenna is Amazingk! o.O
Could you please tell me which talk this clip is from? Thank you.
" 'Good intentions' are not sufficient, you have to locate where the threat is coming from and act accordingly. ... We have to decide: What does life want? "
How can we decide what life wants?
Because we are life
Exactly!
What do we want?
@@mariofox8377 Yes we are leaders in the project of life (if it can be called that). But what we really want or let alone ought to want, that is one of the most difficult questions there is. I think the good, the true, and the beautiful are aspects of it.
He always pushes me to think further. I love him for that alone.
McKenna is never dead in my soul
I know it was already an expression before its recent usage, but it's still a fun surprise to hear him use the word "nothingburger." It's like he plucked it out of the ether as a future word fad.
He also calls the elves "meme traders"
Thanks,gracia's....
The human imagination, arising out of Nature, is evidence enough to conclude that Nature desires to transcend its own laws.
'Desire' is the troublesome word
@@franciscoarcos7869 strives perhaps?
Bottom line: conclusions cannot be drawn from unknowns, and even this is a conclusion drawn from an unknown. THAT is the dilemma. The unknowable is unknowable.
How do you know the unknowable is unknowable?
2021 - How do we get Terence McKenna back?
Well said Terrance, you speak my mind 🙏
Like George Carlin said "save the planet, we can't even save ourselves and we think we can save the fucking planet"
Terence keeps asking: “How can you do both?” And I keep thinking: “Why can’t we do both?” It would be great to hear why he thought it was not possible. Anyone who’s got a lead?
Our modern times is a great example on how we can do both. For example manipulating light (through computers and screens) actually seem to save so much energy in other parts of the world, that’s it’s actually easier to regenerate nature (for example by decreasing CO2 pollution by not taking a plane to a meeting, but using a PC instead).
I think we humans are supposed to walk on both legs, no matter if it’s natural or technological. Sounds kinda like what Terence is pointing towards.
So how can’t we do both Terence?
Perhaps wonder if we, ourselves, are also evolving. This can be an “obvious” statement if it’s assumed that we know of the evolution happening while it’s occurring. If you beLIEve that you are a single YOU and separate, then picking one from the other could be daunting. But what if I’m not separate? That everything happening outside is happening inside? That if I choose to go, that this reality will continue to BE, but it will continue evolving as I leave onward on MY personal journey and adventure to explore liminality in leu of my very own evolution. -Choosing doesn’t exist- is something I’ve wondered.
IMO the “modern” world offers an example of how we’re doing the OPPOSITE of both, while deluding ourselves into thinking we’re accomplishing either goal. Telecommuting may be “less bad” than riding an airplane, but it isn’t carbon neutral (let alone negative), & computers have enormous footprints (last I read, it takes about 2 tons of resources to make your average computer). Likewise, our current conception of interstellar travel is deeply flawed; if we can’t survive on a planet we literally evolved to live on, which freely provides for all of our *needs*, then how could we ever survive in an artificial environment where we are required to meet our own needs entirely on our own AND solve all of the unforeseen problems we encounter? The two ideas are (currently) diametrically opposed, and we haven’t figured out how to reconcile them, especially given Kaczynski’s brilliant arguments against technology.
TM rides the fence and observes both sides from above, that is how he stays epi-cognizant
@@josephguite1580 I can see your point, but i'm not sure i see the alternative. While computers take up a lot of ressources to produce, they can compensate by saving energy and ressources over a long time, if we take good care of it. But it still produce pollution, compared to not building a PC or an airplane in the first place. So what's the alternative? Something like a future without means of faster transportation or a future where only the richest can afford a car, so that humans don't pollute the climate with too much CO2? Or could we actually find "loopholes" for example by creating new technology that enables our ability to manipulate light greater, and therefor STAY where we are, while we TRAVELLING and exploring, at the same time?
I think your point about learnining to navigate through hyperspace is spot on. We really still have much to learn and that's also why i get your point about having to choose one or the other. I'm not just sure that it's not ever possible for us to do both.
@Adam Andreasen Amen, brother. You really have been sipping from Terence’s magic potion. Most people running the Industrial-Consumer 2.0 Operating System can’t even imagine that any alternative to technology exists. (It’s the “modern” layman’s Holy Grail)
Your point about technology (“computers”) saving resources is *theoretically* true, but the underlying assumptions don’t hold up in a Growth-obsessed capitalist society. The average life of a computer is about two years and *shrinking* - and you’d be hard pressed to find a company still running Windows 95 on IBM computers (Business is a competitive dawg-eat-dawg kinda world after all).
Complex technology has only existed for ~1% of human history, and it’s been destroying our environment for 100% of that time. Let’s figure out how to survive on this planet before attenpting to trash the rest.
If we can't get it right here, how can we imagine getting it right elsewhere..
By not bring everyone along?
@@notsure5876 It will probably just be the ultra rich that will afford it. The rest of us need to get our shit together and save what we can. Learn from indigenous peoples
@@mattneufeld3399 one could say that the indigenous and the “elite” (not a bad word btw) have a lot in common. Neither wanted to go down the road of consumerism that the masses demand which they both knew would eventually lead to this idiocracy reality we are currently in and hopefully sooner than later… it’s own eventual ending. Difference is.. the wealthy played along and produced and sold them the junk they demand. Indigenous rather not play. Prolly bc not only does it wreck the planet but eventually the people who demand you produce their junk will turn on you and wish to destroy you and take everything you’ve earned. I respect both indigenous and elite. Both are looking forward to its conclusion. I sure am. All this trying to “wake” others and “save” others… first of all, it’s impossible, but even if you could… why?
Where do you get the audio for these? I've been wanting to make a Terence video myself
Thanks for this.
Wonderful
Incredible vision
this is huge. we MUST protect the earth from asteroidal impact. we can do it
We already have what it takes.
@@seanomeirs8362 lolllllllll, do we?
He brings about a good question in the talk. When all is clear - then what. When there is nothing to liberate yourself from, then what?
"Death is the last true adventure." -Captain James Hook
@@operandassembler yeah your brains travel out of the back of your head.
@@operandassembler people who romanticize death are dead themselves
When there’s nothing to liberate yourself you can finally do whatever is it you are doing. The liberation is realizing you don’t have to look elsewhere but this moment for transcendence and liberation. Liberation doesn’t begin or end, it’s something we cling to when we lose the home of now.
@@seppyteppy did I upset you
Both. The truth is that we need a social life that allows the exploration of the pleroma, and we need to fix the earth while we do that.
I say this because I am a student, a student who raises their hand to give an answer hoping the class agrees.
🙏
Strange how we are more and more looking and. Seeking a for a way out with over population and dirty rivers it’s. Such a. Shame. When this place is a. Paradise
wow
what is the name of the music piece? it's so pretty
We Plants Are Happy Plants - Cloud Hidden
Before the destruction and rebuilding after.the difference between the the 2
Yea what he stated first my position is both some 🐝 like why bother we getting another earth or moving to another planet or the after life .However we have to take care of this planet if not it could be destroyed for good but many d ok nt care or think we can't destroy the planet by wasting resources and polluting the land field...
Name of song at the end?
Thanks Peter keep it up homeboy
So then what is the message when you take DMT and Psilocybin together (during peak trip) if both have different agendas? 🤔🧘🏽♂️✌🏽🕉
Oddly enough terrence mckenna, his brother and a few others actually did that look up 'the experiment at la chorerra'
Outro song? Anybody knows the name of the song?
We Plants Are Happy Plants - Cloud Hidden
Nice clean audio, well done
Make this viral. Mckndrie cylinder habitats.
Love to Terrence
I believe both. In the next life and taking care of this planet. I have had very many dreams of asteroids falling. Such surreal and terrifying yet peaceful imagery to be a part of🙏🏻
I believe both as well🌍👼
I’ve listened to countless hours of TM and he too believes in both, I’ve heard him express that many times🙏
redeemer and destroyer, pawn and messiah
And in the end. ....
They will say. ..
Terence
Was
Right 🙄
damn this is a good one
Mushrooms says....great talk..
Paintings, painter names?
Hey Happy Plants! Why not put it to music?
"There are no points for good intentions in evolution"
"Save the rain forest"...
✌😎
Everything in its time and everything in its place. We are young dumb and full of rum.
I think the great dilemma is solved by there being so many of us. We can have a bunch of humans focus on blowing up asteroids and we can have a bunch of humans who replant the forests. It’s both.
Agreed, not sure why he always framed this as a dilemma
Mushrooms, apocalyptarian… exactly! LSD seems to speak to me the most but I noticed I can change the experience. For me it starts out with this currently very mainstream “oneness” message but I feel like that’s a bs lie being broadcast on repeat like the French woman’s cry for help on lost… blocking the signal. I’ve been doing this long long time. I say pass to that message and I’m able to perform major magic etc and really open up my “left hand path”. 🤷🏻♂️ I’ve never called bs to the dmt. I’m about to try that next. Something like the labyrinth. I got this idea from the mushrooms. They told me the plants aren’t telling the truth. I said “the plants are lying?” It just repeated… the plants aren’t telling the truth. Wow the rabbit hole got deeper after that. 🤪
I hate it when people just talk about healing or becoming a good responsible person no body talks about synchronicity or paranormal stories or powerfull problem solving etc
Great 👍 comment and insight!♡
This gave me goosebumps and made me cry.
Damn Terence, may you have eternal peace.
If the answers to solve these problems include journeying to other places in the Universe... then yes. How could the great work and eternal journey not include Universal travels?
Why not both
why not both...?
The two options he proposed at the very beginning of the vid, the answer is both.
I don’t see why you can’t have both.
I guess 10 percent of ppl can be fked to like even when 100 percent of people know its real.
Ever so weary
Humans decide not not to save the planet and build starships instead.
Humans arrive on new planet
Humans make it habitable and fill it with life
New planet gets hit by gamma ray burst
shout out 2 Dennis
To be truly benevolent one must except everyone and everything 🤔💜
But keep it balanced 😌
meow
it's very naive to think that just because something is being destroyed, there is a good reason for it. capitalism doesn't destroy the planet because it's somehow necessary fir building a huge space empire, it is mainly because of overproduction and -consumption. in short, a short-sighted profit motive
ppl hate bezos not sure why but blue origin is savior of human race. oneil cylinders would be dope. our species destiny is to b world builders!
Younger dryas impact hypothesis