I chuckled when Dr Ross said (in front of everybody with God listening) they found the furthest star there is (at 51 minutes).... but since then (even last year) we have found further stars. And I predict that we will find one further this year too.
We can observe all the way to the Cosmic background radiation which is a long time before stars formed, so we've certainly seen the furthest stars we're going to.
@@helenaconstantine You people confuse time with distance: we can't "observe all the way" back nor "a long time before stars formed..." We came much later, those stars and elements have been around much longer, moving and expanding, unless you believe they have found the point of where the cosmos first exploded, which they can't do. We can Not go back in time to the beginning of the universe; it's too late for that.
@@helenaconstantine Looking at a piece of rock on Earth that's, say, a million years old is not "looking back" a million years into the past: that rock is now the present. The cosmos was there and moving for billions of years, it was never a still universe: it was there before us so there's no way we are "looking into the past" for that long.
All their arguments will go on till their death unless and until one of them accepts or agree that God Exists and He can do what is impossible for human beings to do.
Kent is right. It’s a contradiction to have death before sin. Also Adam was 930 years old when he died not thousands nor millions of years old. Ross thinks it is impossible to have stars in a young Earth. That’s him using impossible in a God conversation. It is not impossible for God.
@25:32 you can see they purposely omitted from the Bible when the moderator quotes 2 Peter 3:8. They have it showing as "But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is a thousand years". That's very close, but WRONG. WRONG in the sense, by leaving out what I'm about to say, changes this whole argument and puts a nail in it. I caught from hearing the moderator read from his Bible, and watching for the quote they showed on the screen. That they were NOT the same, and for good reason. If it's a METAPHORICAL statement, they cannot make the claim that Moses said 1 day to us is a 1000 yrs to the Lord. The Bible actually says in 2 Peter 3:8, "But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is LIKE a thousand years, and a thousand years are LIKE a day". This whole statement is a METAPHORICAL statement that should be thrown out an as any kind of argument in support of 'day meaning long periods of times'. He is not saying that 1 day is a thousand yrs to the Lord, but rather, he is saying that 1 day to us is like a thousand yrs to the Lord, comparing our Wisdom to His. It's a metaphor regardless. Look it up. But also pay attention to the reason as to why they made that intentional error. Bc I guarantee it was intentional. They want you to believe in what they want you to, and both are willing to misrepresent the context of the Bible. Basically, they purposely lie to you at 25 mins and 32 secs by leaving out the word "as". Which turns the whole statement to a metaphor.
Hovind and brilliant is more moron than oxy! You are aware that he does NOT have an accredited degree in anything. - Right? Only a charlatan would lie about his education!
@21:00 Dr. Ross deserves a gold medal for the way that he flipped that passage on its head. Genesis 1:5 KJV "So the evening and the morning were the third day", is probably one of the most straightforward verses in the chapter. Not sure why you would need a Hebrew scholar to interpret that...
@@christopherskipp1525 ויקרא אלהים ׀ לאור יום ולחשך קרא לילה ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום אחד׃ פ is translated to, "And God called for daylight, and for darkness he called night, and there was evening and there was morning one day.".
@@jacobbraun8206 What I realize, is that to make the claim that you're looking back in time because you're looking at a star( in the present) is a real stretch. Hugh Ross claims that at 17, he read Genesis and understood millions of years. Whether or not you believe in a young or old earth, that was a lie.
@@Converterguy If a star is a million lightyears away, then it takes a million years for its light to reach us. We’re seeing events from a million years ago so it is looking into the past in a literal sense. I’m not going to defend Ross with that. I don’t believe the Bible says millions of years either.
@Converterguy, if you look at a star 1 million lightyears away, you're looking at a star as it was 1 million years ago, not as it is now. The light emitted by that star now will take 1 million years to get here. So in that sense, Dr Ross is right. Looking through a telescope is like looking through a time machine. The further away objects are, the longer it takes for their light to reach us, so more distant objects are only seen as they were in the increasingly distant past
R "Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually, Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!, Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course. The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
The more I watch these debates the more I appreciate the blocks that cause the haughty to stumble. I'm not saying these guys are haughty - but there is some kind of stumbling going on. Bless them both ❤
He takes ridicule because he uses fake credentials. He is a convicted felon. He makes stuff up with no scientific support. He milks people out of money. Shall I go on? A crooked used car salesman talks smooth also. - Right
Yeah I completely disagree I think he’s a complete embarrassment to the faith and does a disservice. He’s a complete charlatan and he certainly doesn’t represent me.
@@johnle231 no it’s not the same. The term worldwide is commonly used in the Old Testament to describe either a portion of humanity such as a group or nation, or humanity as a whole. Not the world geographically
* "Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually, Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!, Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course. The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
@@WilsonSoftwash Let us try this. You think a local flood means a pond? From a ship you can see about 12 miles. What if the water was hundreds of miles in all directions? You are thinking with a modern mind. If Noah looked out and could not see any land in any direction, would he not think the whole world was flooded? "His" world was flooded!! Did Noah know of all the continents? - NO! How could he possibly know the whole world was flooded? He did NOT have a 21st century mind and an iPhone!!! Go read 2 Peter. What was the purpose of the flood? To wipe out the world of the ungodly. - Right? Where were ALL the people located at this time? Mesopotamia, Persian Gulf, Western Iran, Eastern Arabia - Right? Why would God Flood - North And South America? Russia? Australia? China? Europe? Greenland? Antarctica? etc.? There were NO people in any of these places! No animals came in contact with people in any of these places. NO NEED TO FLOOD THE WHOLE EARTH! If you flooded the whole Earth with water, that water would have to be 30,000+ feet deep. - Right? That amount of water would shift the plate tectonics causing tsunamis 1,000 feet high and destroy the Ark. - Right? When the Bible stated that people from the whole world came to Egypt during the famine. Did they come from the "Whole" World? - NO! When the Bible stated that all the Kings of the whole "World" came to see Solomon, did they come from the whole world? - NO! God flooded the "world" of the ungodly. All but 8 people aboard the Ark were wiped out. Noah had to bring thousands of animals aboard and had to feed them for about 2 years. Remember, when they got off the boat, there was no plant life. They had to eat something. The plants would take considerable time to re-grow. - Right? Go read Psalm 104:9 Paraphrased - God set boundaries for the water by land masses. The waters will NOT cover the Earth again. It could not be the "whole" Earth. That would be a clear contradiction. - Right?
Actually the distances are explained by the inflation theory as well as the "paradox" of why the universe looks flat & uniform over the span in all directions. Astrophysicist is well aware of it so I don't understand what he's arguing about there is actually zero conflict with a bible
I found a similar problem with a certain group who claim in the Book of Ruth chapter 1 Samuel is talking about Kings and Rulers when he says “your God”, but if you go back to Judges (the Book) which Ruth is a part of you find Samuel is using the word to refer too to pagan deities when using the word gods.* So what I mean is what Moses was referring too when talking about days in Genesis should be the same use in other passages with the second definition coming in only as added properties of the first place of the context
Keep ' gleaning '. I have been gleaning information for many years. God created everything in His mind in eternity past and at creation He set everything in motion. He didn't need long periods of time to develop anything once He set time in motion with the physical universe. He made most things as if they had been around for a long time. The sun travels in a course that takes something like 26 thousand years to complete a cycle but it was created at just one particular place of that cycle and it hasn't even completed one trip yet and most likely ever will.
@@MetalGearTenno wud yu sayin? I is stoopid? Nah... it's just good practice. I'll always will be learning something. Besides, it sure is better than watching anything that is produced now under the banner of entertainment.
@@michaelszczys8316 yeah Mike I'm back. I was browsing something else and I came back for a refresh. I do the same with Missler, AiG, and CAnswers, look them up great info and lots of it
He is not debating anyone. He has created a position for himself where he cannot possibly be wrong. Fall back is just that the bible is an idiot proof historical account. If it makes no sense then he just says god is omnipotent. This is surely a joke. How can anyone sensible possibly believe the earth created at all let alone in 7 actual days!
You do realize at the beginning? That a 24 hour was not a thing? You know what a day in mars is? It’s different. This is not a hard concept to understand.
My thoughts come from my heart and logic. I barely have read any Bible passages, I actually started reading Psalms lately and the few passages I read left me baffled, I was so impressed on the literature, it was literal Gold to me. Edit: it IS literal Gold to me.
I don't read the Bible anymore it's polluted by man I talk with God all the time. My religion is treat others like I like to be treated. It's God's world and I live in his world, so I pay rent to God by prayer. Hovind is a bad spokesman for the Bible I believe in the big bang I don't get confused by the BS Hovind spreads among folk. I believe he started out with good intentions but now he is a Conman who plays a part that he can't let go of. I wish all Christians well we all pay homage to the one God and that's good enough for me. Regards from Ireland. Eire32
@@patkearney9320 I speak with God myself, how ever the Bible isn’t polluted by man, the Bible stands for itself. It’s up to you to get the information out of it in your own perception. There’s nothing wrong with government, man can screw that up. There’s nothing inherently wrong with anything, until man screws it up, though, if seen from an unbiased open minded perspective, you can see things a lot of others wouldn’t. I do agree many people don’t interpret the Bible correctly, and then go on to indoctrinate others, whether willingly doing so knowing it’s false, or with the intention of trying to help, but still being false. Either way, the Bible stands as it is, not Christian, not Catholic, not Mormon, etc. it is just the Bible.
@@patkearney9320 and j believe Hovind is a Wonderful spokesperson for the Bible. Do I think he has it all correct? No, but who does? It’s a life book meant to guide you, not meant to understand all in one shot. In fact there’s parts that people don’t even go through really. I suggest keeping with it, you can conversate with God, but the Bible is Gods direct words to us. I don’t read it much myself, but I have been more than I ever have, even if it’s one passage a day. The amount of literal gold I’ve read in there is priceless. Read it with your own open minded point of view.
Most everyone, especially Christians would benefit from a basic understand of biblical history, context, culture, Hebrew, and Greek. Additionally a basic course in how to read biblical poetry, narrative, and prose. Or better yet, read the Bible over and over again, read commentaries from scholars you trust. Topically, the Hebrew word for day uses in genesis 1 does not necessarily mean 24 hrs.
@@thanksdarling1 I think the Bible is a guide to life, meant to be understood from everyone’s individual unique perspective over the course of their life. A lot won’t relate or comprehend the intention of the text, either due to lack of life experience, or not caring. There’s also indoctrination which is others telling you what the scripture means, as opposed to everyone figuring it out for themselves. It’s foolish to teach a child about Gods laws with adultery for example. Yet thing like this are done. So people are told they HAVE to believe in something they don’t even understand, or else.. That is an insult to God and shows more extortion than learning. Where as learning for yourself through experience, and having scripture there to guide you in moments you’re questioning is it’s real meaning of use in this world. Of course this is my opinion. Ask yourself how many people say Our Father or Hail Mary prayers, say 3 of each because a pastor told them to do so, after a confession to “cleanse” their sin. Think about how many people actually understand what those prayers even mean. Do you? Is it something you consciously try to understand the meaning of? Or is it just words you were told to say because someone said so, or else God will be mad? How many people know God, as opposed to people who have a “relationship” with God?
no he didn't, the golden part anyways, this show is a good example as to why it's not. kent hovind clearly kicked his carcass all over this stage. made him and his beliefs look retarted as tunk!
instead of saying "any person who reads this book and is unbiased will come away with 7 literal days", he shouldv'e asked Hugh "an unbiased person, someone who's never heard of the theory of evolution(theory - then why they teach it as fact - this is beside the point), would they read the bible and come away with millions/billions of years just from reading the text, and if so, how?"
@@EricJustice---10-83 Yes, Just as Jews who understand Hebrew… why?… because it was written in Hebrew! There are millions of words in English,,,but only eight thousand in Hebrew! Hebrew words therefore have multiple meanings based on the verb and context.. sometimes , as Americans we think in our language only. Look to a Hebrew linguist instead of an English one.
@@EricJustice---10-83only micro evolution is taught as a fact, not macro. Macro evolution has been pretty widely disproven, and I believe the schools that were teaching it were basing on a scientific fact that was actually lied about. But its not taught in most schools anymore.
Look up the sabbath- millennium and Barnabas to learn why God took 6 days instead of 6 seconds or .6 seconds - the millennium is the 7th day rest for Gods people.m
Are you calling God a deceiver? Physics has not changed! God has not changed! Bacterial life began on earth ~3.8 billion years ago! Just because your interpretation sucks does NOT make God a deceiver!
The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution! "In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth." That is simply stating that the Universe had a beginning! That is the Big Bang (beginning)! The Bible said it thousands of years before the scientists "discovered" it circa 1929! You are parroting YEC talking points instead of doing your own research!! Here is a video that clearly explains Genesis 1 by an actual expert in Biblical Hebrew. - Search TH-cam - "Hugh Ross and Walter Kaiser - All in a Day’s Work " Who is this Hebrew expert? - Dr. Walter C. Kaiser Jr., PhD. - President of the Evangelical Theological Society. - Colman M. Mockler distinguished Professor of Old Testament. - Contributor to Exodus (The Expositor’s Bible Commentary). - Author of some 30+ Biblical Commentaries. - Part of the team that translated the NIV. - Marquis who’s who top educators - Walter C. Kaiser Jr., PhD.
The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution! "In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth." That is simply stating that the Universe had a beginning! That is the Big Bang (beginning)! The Bible said it thousands of years before the scientists "discovered" it circa 1929! You are parroting YEC talking points instead of doing your own research!! Here is a video that clearly explains Genesis 1 by an actual expert in Biblical Hebrew. - Search TH-cam - "Hugh Ross and Walter Kaiser - All in a Day’s Work " Who is this Hebrew expert? - Dr. Walter C. Kaiser Jr., PhD. - President of the Evangelical Theological Society. - Colman M. Mockler distinguished Professor of Old Testament. - Contributor to Exodus (The Expositor’s Bible Commentary). - Author of some 30+ Biblical Commentaries. - Part of the team that translated the NIV. - Marquis who’s who top educators - Walter C. Kaiser Jr., PhD.
Sighting research and studies (assuming that's why he mentioned specific people) is an "argument from authority"... but, citing the Bible is perfectly acceptable.
.. yes? The debate is about the Bible so yes that’s a big whomping duh citing from the Bible is acceptable. Citing external sources to prove a theory of the Bible over someone’s interpretation could be considered an appeal to authority if your argument for why you believe a certain thing about the Bible is because of what someone else said.
K Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that man know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so many christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
) All present life (amphibians, terrestrial animals, including man,insects,anelids,vegetation) does not have only one common ancestor; like evolutionists say, it has one Creator; God The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
@@marcblack6775 Yet you still utilize all the advancements that science has made thanks to wise people who have looked outside of your religious dogma.
I’d like to add to my comments that I barely know much, and am going off of my beliefs so far, yet I have much to learn, the journey never ends. Until my journey ends.
I find every YEC vs OEC debate that Ankerberg has moderated, he has shown significant bias in favour of the OEC camp. Usually debating the YEC directly, etc.
Ñ Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that man know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so many christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
/ All present life (amphibians, terrestrial animals, including man,insects,anelids,vegetation) does not have only one common ancestor; like evolutionists say, it has one Creator; God The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
The dude is correct about the water cycle, not Dr. Ross. Prior to the Flood, it never rained. Plants were watered by the dew forming overnight, then visible in the morning. When the Flood started, nobody knew what rain was. They had not seen it before. When Noah and all the creatures entered the Ark, God shut the door, not Noah, nor his sons.
This debate wouldn't even be possible if your God wasn't the worst communicator ever or completely fictitious which is clearly the more obvious answer that explains far more.
@@jeffbezos3501 how is that if it was true or you understood what you meant you would have specified fallacious reasoning is a category with lots of different individual items in it what's fallacy am I using please understand what you say before you say it
@@jeffbezos3501 if nobody actually understand what a book means and everybody's been arguing and bickering and burner each other over its actual meaning that's an competent communication light by definition I don't know what the hell is fallacious about pointing that out
@@davewilliams5102Everyone buys their degree you can sit in for harvard lectures and learn all day every day without paying. The degree is what you buy not knowledge.
the main value of debates for me, is if both sides allow the other side to talk. the moderator has a right imho to clarify and keep the subject matter moving which i think ankerberg did. hovind's strong point is in the 10 commandments. on the 7th day god rested. so keep the 7th day holy. to me that means a day=24 hours.
In the Book of Daniel it says that Daniel's prayers were hindered for 21 days from The Prince of Persia what is the translation for days in the Book of Daniel?
C Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that man know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so many christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
Yes, you're right Kathyrn. He states that we've now built telescopes powerful enough to see back that far. Hmmmm, what happens if we build a telescope just a bit stronger and see one star further than the last one with it?! Uh, oh! Now THAT becomes the farthest star! LOL... It's foolish thing for him to have said.
@@ems3832 OK do you understand what a beginning means? Common sense would dictate that as the universe began the "first" stars formed. That is what he is talking about. The Big Bang is NOT an explosion, it is a controlled expansion. I always love TH-camrs that know everything. Then comment no PhD's required? The self righteous arrogance. Maybe if you spent almost 70 years studying astrophysics you might know 1% of what this man knows, little poser boy! Without a PhD you have no clue what he is actually talking about. He is dumbing it down. - fool!
@@ems3832 You just proved my point you do not know your head from your arse about the Big Bang. You are so far off I am not going to waste my time! - hilarious Gee everybody we are so woke we can join together and make cutesy comments like some 90's chick OMG. Are you twirling your hair as you post?
As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish so the son of man was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. What's the word translated for 3 days and Jonah? Go look it up on Blue Letter Bible
We need to believe in Gods Word and believe as it is written. Please do not argue His Word. Please take the Word to him/her that are in great need of it. 🙏🏼 let us not waste precious hours in arguing get to the people. Please let us not use Gods Word in sessions like these to premote your own views/assumption to call myself the winner of the discussion. May God bless these 2 Gents and all of us. Glory to Jesus. Amen. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
"We need to believe in Gods Word and believe as it is written." But what do you do when two languages say different things in the respective versions of the bible? I'm sorry to say but it's factual that a hebrew to english translation is flawed, since certain words in one language may not exist in the other, or may have several variations of what they mean in english. It's an important and necessary discussion.
@@ominouspigeonmaster1571 I agree with you, certain verses in the Bible have been changed, but as Dr. Kent Hovind stated in one of his videos, there are people who rewrote the Bible in more modern translation, but however, to get paid for copyrights, they have to change things, and not present the exact same version, so they change it in some places to get that money, if you want to read an authentic Bible, then read the old King James, it is a pain with the thees, and thous, but it is accurate for all tents, and purposes.
So Dr Ross believes that God was able to make the Sun, Moon, Earth, Man, Plants, Animals and all the LAWS that governs them including Physics, Gravity etc.... BUT..... it's impossible for God to do it in 6 days because of the laws of physics? Unbelievable!
The "Big Bang" means that the Universe had a beginning. It does not mean evolution. In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth = Big Bang! Search TH-cam - Genesis and Creation days Hugh - Ross and Walter Kaiser It will answer both of your comments.
Almost as terrible as when Jesus called Peter satan? Or was it worse for you? You talk like a woman. Truth offends, Huge is a heretic. The spirit of satan blinds him. He would rather be accepted by other scientists, than actually have faith in Gods Holy Word.
@@dannymccarty344 Are you to bear false witness? Condemn not and you shall not be condemned, right? You just condemned yourself. - Brilliant. Dr. Ross has written over 20 detailed books designed specifically with the layperson in mind. He does not make a dime off his books!! He is NOT a "TV Evangelist", selling you Anything!! He is a 40+ year devout Christian Pastor/PhD Astronomer (U of Toronto), former Caltech postdoctoral research fellow, which again is part of the Reasons to Believe "team" with over 180 cross disciplined scholars offering information for those interested. This RTB "TEAM" would not allow Dr. Ross to distort Scripture in any way!! - Dr. Ross won the Texas A&M University Trotter Prize in 2012. - The Trotter Prize is awarded at Texas A&M University and is part of an endowed lecture series. It is awarded "for pioneering contributions to the understanding of the role of information, complexity and inference in illuminating the mechanisms and wonder of nature" and includes The Trotter Lecture which "seeks to reveal connections between science and Religion often viewed in academia as non-overlapping, if not rival, worldviews. How can you be so hateful and claim to be a Christian? Quote from you, "You talk like a woman." What the heck is that?
@@gotech25 Simply untrue. He has been a Pastor for over 40 years! Dr. Ross was awarded the Trotter Prize!! Why do you bear false witness? You clearly do not know the man yet you are OK with smearing his name on the internet? But I suppose you are OK with the convicted felon Hovind that served 9 years in a federal prison for fraud. Typical CINO. Shame on you!
I really like the John Ankerberg show. With that said though, even though John is the moderator, he obviously leans toward the Old Earth view, whereas he should show a neutral approach in this debate. I have the same problem with the debate between Ken Ham and Hugh Ross. It's only fair to be impartial towards both debaters, even if you have a strong stance on a particular topic.
Iv noticed this as well. In other debates that he has moderated, he does not hide his bias and point of view...that's clear to see. He was actually confronted by this when he moderated the Trinity vs Oneness debate with Walter Martin and the Robert Sabin. In a way I understand his bias, it is his show after all. He is the one sponsoring the chance for the parties to interact and participate, so I guess it does give him some lee way to voice his views, which, although abit unfair, it sparks great dialog.
It's a generalised account and honestly I don't even get why it's important how old the earth is? Does it mean the gospels don't apply if the earth is billions of years old?
R "Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually, Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!, Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course. The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
wtf are you guys talking about 😂😂😂😂, this has made me lose faith in humanity, the guy doesn’t use ANY evidence, he just insults Dr. Ross, you realize how much science has come out since this interview? Ya Dr. Ross is correct. Completely. The reason it’s 2 people vs one, is because the one is debating DISHONESTLY. Ignores all peer reviewed scientific evidence, ignores any of Dr. Ross’s credentials, and insults him. It’s funny that he kept using the word cult because seems like people like you in the comments can’t think critically and follow a person who is wrong blindly, kind of like a cult.
U "Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually, Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!, Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course. The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
@@tomjackson7755 you are making no sense, If I affirm this, you'd be ok; I believe a frog can evolve into a man (not through a kiss; like the "fairy" tale, of course) THROUGH MILLIONS of years of "evolution"!!!!??
@@Juan-lf6qo Did you make up that lie all by yourself too? You believe that a figurine made of clay becomes a man when the magic breath is blown on it. Just like a "fairy" tale of course.
Where people get this wrong is they pull the scripture where is says thousand years to God is like a day and a day is like a thousand years. That scripture has absolutely nothing to do with the scriptures in Genesis. That scripture is only referring to God not being restricted by time. There is zero inclination that all the other scriptures are open to interpretation. This is what Dr Hovin is talking about. Taking scriptures and using them to fit your own personal narrative to sell books or whatever you are doing with that information.
Dr Hovind Can I just ask. In the book of Revelation and during the Tribulation, a day amounts to 1 year. Could this have been the same for creation. Would love your thoughts on this if possible.
@@sivemtshakazana doesnt matter the point is a day can meaning many different lengths of time. The questions is why doesnt he choose 24 hr and not the others.
@@caughtinthevoidfloyd5821 the common people of New Testament times, in their homes and in business, knew nothing of the day of 24 equal hours. To them the day was the period between sunrise and sunset, and that was divided into 12 equal parts called hours. Of course, the hours were therefore much longer in summer than in winter.
so have you seen aronra's videos "Bisbee tries to refute evolution by misreading the evidence", "How Zoology Disproves Noahs Flood" and "Refuting the Irrefutable Proof of God - part IX"
I am an astronomer who believes that GOD created the universe...I have talked to Kent on the phone about stellar parallax. They are now using the New Horizons spacecraft to form a baseline with earth and measure angles to such a precise amount that we can EASILY calculate distances to stars with much higher accuracy than ever before.
It might be possible someday but I doubt in our lifetime considering the massive distances required. The past records were nothing more than guess work and many times straight up fraud claims. Best of luck though but I have my doubts and based on past examples I'm reluctant to believe any experts at this point.
to suggest that the universe is billions of years old based on the speed of light and trigonometry is like saying "don't worry, give us more time and we'll come up with evidence your honor". No, you should enter a courtroom with evidence before saying we need more time. Also, if we can see the farthest star in the universe then what is beyond the universe? Don't you think that would be in discover magazine? Life beyond the universe!
Good for you, you believe God created the universe. The question is, are you young earth or extremely old earth. God could have placed the stars anywhere he wanted to and also could have made the light appear anywhere he wanted to. He could have made light from hundreds of billions of light years away stars appear on earth in an instance.
@@kirkleidemann5051 That is correct. God can go anything he wants or wanted to. Us trying to understand it all is like an ant trying to understand us. The main message of the Gospel is that we have all sinned and deserve death, but Jesus gave his life as payment for our sins so we could share eternal life with God. Trying to turn "too much" towards science takes us away from the REALLY important stuff!
R "Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually, Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!, Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course. The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
@@Juan-lf6qo Now you mention that, it just hit me that with all the Creation vs Evolution debates I've seen, they never seem to bring that up. They mention fossils, yes, but they don't give an explanation as to how the thing changed from something else, only that it did. Another little tidbit that people believe evolution because they want to believe it, but don't really know why.
@@ReligiousGThat would be descent with modification. Do you look exactly like your siblings or cousins? No, there’s some variation. If your cousin was born with the genes for a dodgy heart, are they more or less likely to have kids of their own? Repeat that for a few million years and get back to me.
And maybe god created the universe last Tuesday and our memories are illusions. Once you start introducing magic all reason falls apart and the past becomes all miracles and madness.
I enjoy these debates very much, as it amplifies my faith. I think Dr. Hovind very good in his explanations and takes on the meanings of the bible and their relationship with science. One thing I have taken note of is regarding the use of the phrase "in Hebrew the word means...". My concern is that ancient Hebrew word meanings are different than modern meaning of the same words- just like in English- old English is different than modern English in word meanings. For example, clown in the time of Shakespeare is different than today. Way different. One needs to think about that when people compare Hebrew words and their meaning in the bible. By the way, I am a Catholic man. Thank you for doing these videos.
A "day" is one full rotation of a planet. If a planet rotates more slowly, the day lasts longer. If the planet rotates faster, the day is shorter. If a planet stopped revolving completely, it's day would either be ENDLESS, or have not exist at all... depending how you interpret that situation. BTW: What did God do on the 8th day?
Being a huge fan of both of these men. This really was a 2 vs one debate which was disappointing. It should however be noted that Ross was wrong. Recent technology advances discovered a new solar system far beyond the the furthest most star Ross said we found. I’m afraid he was wrong and Hovind was correct in his assumption in stating that there would be more stars found with the increase in discovery.
Although Ross is correct in regards to the beginning of the story when God created the two big lights, Gods word uses “let there be”, in verse 16 it says “and God made (asa)”. Ross surely knows he is omitting information to be able to make his point.
Hugh Ross is incorrect just as you are my friend, Read your book again. You're following a Evolutionist that is 5% Christian. He's gonna lead you to the gates of hell and as I see it... You're happy to follow him.
@@dannylayne4227 You should check out on Hebrews 4 buddy. "Young Earth" view is a stumbling block because if you put all of your eggs in that basket for that, people will challenge your view and it will fall apart.
There are things I disagree with both of them. Hugh reads a few things into the text, and Kent assumes what God 'would' do based on his idea of what's common sense.
I am not a multi tasker. Ankerberg was speaking and I was listening. You put something up from Exodus chapter 20. I was supposed to listen and read at the same time. I can not do both. I was unable to read Exodus chapter 20, and you took it down and continued speaking. Slow down!
I hold to the belief that there are far more mysteries in the universe that we can imagine. What we know from science doesn’t even scratch the surface - and trying to understand the big questions with our limited (even scientific) knowledge is like trying to solve calculus problems just by using addition.
so have you seen aronra's videos "Bisbee tries to refute evolution by misreading the evidence", "How Zoology Disproves Noahs Flood" and "Refuting the Irrefutable Proof of God - part IX"
@@jamesginty6684 Yes, many have watched them. Yet, there are plenty lectures or talks or debates here on TH-cam by PHD scholars proving evolution false Trillions of times: evolution is impossible. Creation is the only correct scientific answer.
And, yet, in Romans Paul states that men can know God because of the created world. I find that passage encourages us to study God's work in the creation.
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; Genesis 2:21 KJV To confirm it was a rib that God took from Adam to make Eve.
W Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that man know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so many christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
R All present life (amphibians, terrestrial animals, including man,insects,anelids,vegetation) does not have only one common ancestor; like evolutionists say, it has one Creator; God The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
Here's an interesting thought. Can hugh prove scientifically all of the other miracles in the bible? Not that I disagree with him on the old earth but what is his take on all of the other miracles?
Very interesting, I would like to see him explain the scientific significance and provide reliable evidence concerning the miracles. There is actually a documentary concerning the Exodus in Gods word. I thought he did it with “magic”, but there is an abundance of scientific evidence that actually explain how these events occurred. Including archeological evidence. It’s honestly quite amazing. The conclusion is that God can ultimately manipulate reality and nature to accomplish His own good will. God bless you greatly.
If you debate him again, I guess it'll give you more material to do a review and critique on later. It's actually a pretty shady thing to do with a debate in which you were a participant, but it certainly gives you the last word on every single point. You definitely won this round.
"When did entropy begin? Did it begin at the beginning of the universe, or did it start only when Adam sinned?" And the award for the most pseudo-scientific question ever goes to ...
Pseudo science would be testing without factoring in conditions that are hypothesized. You are judging a belief based on your conditions not the conditions believed to be at play. The hypothesis at play is that entropy would not effectively exist as God is physically on earth in the universe in His whole form acting as a perfect sustainer or energy source to halt entropy (open system). When Adam and even sinned then God (by definition the most holy being ever) took His holiness away from Adam and Eve so that he wouldn’t have to kill them in judgement. He instead set His plan of redemption in motion but the world began feeling the effects of entropy. So the conditions of the hypothesis is that entropy has an external source to prevent it and when that source left then the sun and other external sources began to be an imperfect energy source that is unable to halt entropy in the same way. This is the hypothesis some YEC have but you’re looking at it with your conditions and must judge it by its own conditions or you’re a hypocrite for inferring that you care about scientific integrity
It's staggering how people fail to see the simple truth. Mentions of mornings and evenings in addition to Exodus 20:11.. it's clearly 24 hour periods. Why would God need billions of years? Why? Time was created for human beings, so having billions of years passing by with no one to experience them makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Fair play to Kent for putting up with all this.
I dont believe in evolution but a Christian should be unbiased and seeking the truth oin all things so, I studied it out trying to see it that way. I can see some verses, but everything points to a young earth. Bilogy is funny, both sides present the same evidemce but interpret it different ways. Major civilizations Sumerian, Egypt and Minoan just pop into existence with an established culture which says young earth. The physicis behind evolution doesn't work..at all. I have to go with young earth
I've asked this thoughtful question myself. God created and time, therefore He is outside of time as we know it. Sure for us it may be billions of years, but for God who created time it could be a blink.
It is clear. As you said. Even in the beginning of the debate. Trying to spin it to 12 hours or 24 or a long period of time. 1. When God was finished... it was evening and then morning. Why would it mean a day is only 12 hours? God did ALL those things... and then it was evening... and then morning. It still STAYS 24 hours. On another vid I saw of hugh ross about neil degrasse... he said that there is no problem with the sun etc only apearring on a later stage. It was due to the atmosphere changing and the animals only then seeing the sun for the first time... WAIT A MINUTE. So... in that case 3 days would be normal 24 hour days. But if you do not look at that it could be a long period of time? Sorry... animals would not live for thousands of years without the sun. A few days... no problem. Thousands of years... bull.
At 2:17:50, Ankerberg refers the gospel to say what Christians are to believe; which proves the point~! "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES." (1 Corinthians 15:3-8 KJB)
I watch this movie...and found out...when inner database memory have corrupted...logic will be corrupted greater... Hovind knows this...debating many to clarified it...God bless you Hovind...
instead of saying "any person who reads this book and is unbiased will come away with 7 literal days", he shouldv'e asked Hugh "an unbiased person, someone who's never heard of the theory of evolution(theory - then why they teach it as fact - this is beside the point), would they read the bible and come away with millions/billions of years just from reading the text, and if so, how?"
The moderator is wrong on Gen 2:4. The verse is not looking back at Gen 1, but is introducing what comes after it in chapter 2 in the ensuing verses. This is manifest from the fact that it says that the generations were when no plant had yet grown because there had been no rain. But Gen 1 already has fully formed plants. So Gen 2:4 onward is introducing a different aspect to the creation. It is not summarising Gen 1.
T "Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually, Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!, Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course. The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author. DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64) "And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL) PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66) "For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain." ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36) "And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country." (prophecy fullfilled after WW2) I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
Questions: If all things that have a temperature exude light, doesn't that mean there is no such thing as darkness? So when the Bible says let there be light, does that then mean that all of creation is light... Meaning there is no such thing as darkness, that darkness is nothing more than an illusion because of our inability to see all the different wave lengths of light? And if E=mc2, does that mean if we capture light and prevent it from escaping, that that light no matter how light that light is (whether we can see it or not) can that light if captured create energy?
@@criminaltotheworld3154 with all due respect, you only believe that because someone told you there must be another (inverted/anti) side to "space". As much as I wanted to believe that when I was younger, the more math I've done the more that math has proved its not possible. If the truth is "everything "/all things that have a temperature exude light, then there truly is no darkness (darkness is an illusion) and equals nothing more than our inability to see the other layers of light that must exist... then the antimatter you speak of is nothing more than that which has yet to be detected/seen within the physical. ie the hidden hand of nature/the all seeing eye worshiped throughout time. If captured light turns into energy (and it does, well through experiments we know it does gain mass) and if space is the firmament above the firmament, then we must conclude that the hidden light is the source (energy) that holds everything together. Or stated another way, the light that we see hides the truth.
Cal-perfect tense? Define it! Educate me. Is there a difference in the Hebrew versus the English? I have heard in Greek, there are different verbs of time we do not have in English.
It’s like we are watching two firefighters rescue people from a burning building and at the same time they are accusing each other of using the wrong type of ladder
In regards to John Ankerberg, he had a co-host, Jimmy DeYoung, who along with Brannon Howse, and John MacArthur, believed you could take the mark of the beast and still be saved~? I wonder if he believes that as well~?
@@frankcabanski9409 yeah, I know that. I'm an educated engineer with a minor in math. I kind of got that part. Perhaps you missed the point. Scientists generally home in on an answer over time. The closed-minded never home in on anything because they never see the error of their ways. So yes, scientists have been wildly off on their estimates of the age of the earth. But they get better over time. There is of course a huge difference between six days and ANYTHING like the estimates made by geologists. That is the point that Hugh Ross was making. And of course many (if not most) scientists are also stuck in paradigms due to their own pride and other versions of close mindedness.
@@mikebetts2046 Right. Scientists always claim to be above human, no ego, just looking for answers. I agree. There's a difference between God created it in 6 days and any of the wild estimates supposed scientists make. The first is the truth. "We're not right yet, but we're getting closer because we're not afraid of examining it and getting it wrong. Therefore, you have to take what we say as absolute fact." Nope. When you admit to being wrong, you can't then claim to be absolutely right.
sn The first day. The exegetical evidence suggests the word “day” in this chapter refers to a literal twenty-four hour day. It is true that the word can refer to a longer period of time (see Isa 61:2, or the idiom in 2:4, “in the day,” that is, “when”). But this chapter uses “day,” “night,” “morning,” “evening,” “years,” and “seasons.” Consistency would require sorting out how all these terms could be used to express ages. Also, when the Hebrew word יוֹם (yom) is used with a numerical adjective, it refers to a literal day. Furthermore, the commandment to keep the sabbath clearly favors this interpretation. One is to work for six days and then rest on the seventh, just as God did when he worked at creation. NetBible Note 22 for Genesis 1:5
What to you constitutes a metaphorical 24-hour day? I hear this argument all the time, but no one says what a metaphorical 24-hour day is, as if the regular word can never ever be used metaphorically.
You just make crap up to sound, what? Smart? It's not working! Who or what has been resting for billions of years? You might need to take your meds and calm down.
I chuckled when Dr Ross said (in front of everybody with God listening) they found the furthest star there is (at 51 minutes).... but since then (even last year) we have found further stars. And I predict that we will find one further this year too.
Is the Universe expanding at the speed of light?
If so, where would that "Star" be now, 9+ years later?
We can observe all the way to the Cosmic background radiation which is a long time before stars formed, so we've certainly seen the furthest stars we're going to.
@@helenaconstantine You people confuse time with distance: we can't "observe all the way" back nor "a long time before stars formed..." We came much later, those stars and elements have been around much longer, moving and expanding, unless you believe they have found the point of where the cosmos first exploded, which they can't do. We can Not go back in time to the beginning of the universe; it's too late for that.
@@markuse3472 Or you can't grasp that distance is time. Looking back over billions of light years is looking at billions of years ago.
@@helenaconstantine Looking at a piece of rock on Earth that's, say, a million years old is not "looking back" a million years into the past: that rock is now the present. The cosmos was there and moving for billions of years, it was never a still universe: it was there before us so there's no way we are "looking into the past" for that long.
Aren't moderators supposed to at least attempt to hide their bias🤔
Ankerberg is not moderating at all! He's being biased against hovind!
Dearest Kent Hovind sir, add God can do it what the nature takes thousands of years or millions of years.
I mean God can do it in a second what nature takes thousand years. So everything is possible for God.
All their arguments will go on till their death unless and until one of them accepts or agree that God Exists and He can do what is impossible for human beings to do.
I think he did quite well .
The host is trying to have his own debate with mr Kent during this haha
I agree with John, Kent can drive everyone mad. Only bad hermeneutics and insults
Kent is right.
It’s a contradiction to have death before sin.
Also Adam was 930 years old when he died not thousands nor millions of years old.
Ross thinks it is impossible to have stars in a young Earth. That’s him using impossible in a God conversation. It is not impossible for God.
@25:32 you can see they purposely omitted from the Bible when the moderator quotes 2 Peter 3:8. They have it showing as "But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is a thousand years". That's very close, but WRONG. WRONG in the sense, by leaving out what I'm about to say, changes this whole argument and puts a nail in it. I caught from hearing the moderator read from his Bible, and watching for the quote they showed on the screen. That they were NOT the same, and for good reason. If it's a METAPHORICAL statement, they cannot make the claim that Moses said 1 day to us is a 1000 yrs to the Lord. The Bible actually says in 2 Peter 3:8, "But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is LIKE a thousand years, and a thousand years are LIKE a day". This whole statement is a METAPHORICAL statement that should be thrown out an as any kind of argument in support of 'day meaning long periods of times'. He is not saying that 1 day is a thousand yrs to the Lord, but rather, he is saying that 1 day to us is like a thousand yrs to the Lord, comparing our Wisdom to His. It's a metaphor regardless. Look it up. But also pay attention to the reason as to why they made that intentional error. Bc I guarantee it was intentional. They want you to believe in what they want you to, and both are willing to misrepresent the context of the Bible. Basically, they purposely lie to you at 25 mins and 32 secs by leaving out the word "as". Which turns the whole statement to a metaphor.
Amen
It is a metaphor, but it is to explain how God is not bound by time
I have to play Dr. Ross at 1.5 times speed to be the same speed Dr. Hovind speaks 😅
Yess Hovind can talk speedily whhatt!!!😂😂
Hovinds the man
People r always giving him less time to speak so he would have to talk fast.
Wow it is literally Kent's pace if you speed it up lmao
It’s the reason Kent beat 3 college professors in 6mins in a debate.
Thank God for these brilliant minds that are our brothers in Christ.
Hovind and brilliant is more moron than oxy!
You are aware that he does NOT have an accredited degree in anything. - Right?
Only a charlatan would lie about his education!
Ross is lost.
@@kirkleidemann5051 You misspelled 'Hovind'.
@@kirkleidemann5051 Stupified at the ignorance of (fake) Dr Honvid.
Blithering idiots. Hovind isn’t a doctor and a felon to boot.
@21:00 Dr. Ross deserves a gold medal for the way that he flipped that passage on its head. Genesis 1:5 KJV "So the evening and the morning were the third day", is probably one of the most straightforward verses in the chapter. Not sure why you would need a Hebrew scholar to interpret that...
Because of the Hebrew text behind the English translation.
@@christopherskipp1525 ויקרא אלהים ׀ לאור יום ולחשך קרא לילה ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום אחד׃ פ is translated to, "And God called for daylight, and for darkness he called night, and there was evening and there was morning one day.".
But evening and then morning is 12 hours not one day
"we look back in time when we look through a telescope?" Hahaha, ok Marty McFly
You do realize that it takes light time to cross a distance right?
@@jacobbraun8206 What I realize, is that to make the claim that you're looking back in time because you're looking at a star( in the present) is a real stretch. Hugh Ross claims that at 17, he read Genesis and understood millions of years. Whether or not you believe in a young or old earth, that was a lie.
@@Converterguy If a star is a million lightyears away, then it takes a million years for its light to reach us. We’re seeing events from a million years ago so it is looking into the past in a literal sense.
I’m not going to defend Ross with that. I don’t believe the Bible says millions of years either.
@@Converterguy I also want to reiterate. I think the Earth is billions of years old. I just don't think Genesis is concerned with this
@Converterguy, if you look at a star 1 million lightyears away, you're looking at a star as it was 1 million years ago, not as it is now. The light emitted by that star now will take 1 million years to get here. So in that sense, Dr Ross is right. Looking through a telescope is like looking through a time machine. The further away objects are, the longer it takes for their light to reach us, so more distant objects are only seen as they were in the increasingly distant past
I’ve been watching Dr Hovind’s debates and lectures for the past several months and I’m just feeding the algorithm.
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"Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually,
Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!,
Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course.
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
Me too, makes me feel smart and reminds me that no matter how shit my day may be, how crap i may feel, at least im not MR Hovind and his dumb cronies!
@@Juan-lf6qo Oh my lord the depths of your intellect is barely matched by a penny stuck facedown on pavement. No wonder you're a follower of Hovind.
Ive just discovered 'Dr' Hovind and I cant get enough. Its hilarious.
@@monkeysnide Welcome to the show brother!
Loved this!
The more I watch these debates the more I appreciate the blocks that cause the haughty to stumble.
I'm not saying these guys are haughty - but there is some kind of stumbling going on.
Bless them both ❤
I know he takes a lot of attacks and ridicule from people but I lean towards Kent . I love the way he defends scripture. I like Hugh Ross too.
He takes ridicule because he uses fake credentials. He is a convicted felon. He makes stuff up with no scientific support. He milks people out of money.
Shall I go on?
A crooked used car salesman talks smooth also. - Right
I agree with Kent
Just a terrible scientist.
Yeah I completely disagree I think he’s a complete embarrassment to the faith and does a disservice. He’s a complete charlatan and he certainly doesn’t represent me.
@@pleaseenteraname1103why do you feel this way?
I can't believe Hugh thinks noah built a huge ark and stayed on it for a year for a local flood.
It may have been local but it was still absolutely massive
@@nathanrobbins7668
Nah not local.
It was global.
@@johnle231 the Bible doesn’t say it was global. It said worldwide
@@nathanrobbins7668
Isnt gloval and worldwide the same thing?
If it isn’t, then I take back global and use world wide.
@@johnle231 no it’s not the same. The term worldwide is commonly used in the Old Testament to describe either a portion of humanity such as a group or nation, or humanity as a whole. Not the world geographically
It would be difficult for an ark to float for a year (in a local flood) without hitting land.
So true! This is hilarious 😂 never thought of that
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"Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually,
Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!,
Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course.
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
@@WilsonSoftwash Let us try this. You think a local flood means a pond? From a ship you can see about 12 miles. What if the water was hundreds of miles in all directions? You are thinking with a modern mind. If Noah looked out and could not see any land in any direction, would he not think the whole world was flooded?
"His" world was flooded!!
Did Noah know of all the continents? - NO!
How could he possibly know the whole world was flooded?
He did NOT have a 21st century mind and an iPhone!!!
Go read 2 Peter. What was the purpose of the flood?
To wipe out the world of the ungodly. - Right?
Where were ALL the people located at this time?
Mesopotamia, Persian Gulf, Western Iran, Eastern Arabia - Right?
Why would God Flood -
North And South America?
Russia?
Australia?
China?
Europe?
Greenland?
Antarctica?
etc.?
There were NO people in any of these places!
No animals came in contact with people in any of these places.
NO NEED TO FLOOD THE WHOLE EARTH!
If you flooded the whole Earth with water, that water would have to be 30,000+ feet deep. - Right?
That amount of water would shift the plate tectonics causing tsunamis 1,000 feet high and destroy the Ark. - Right?
When the Bible stated that people from the whole world came to Egypt during the famine. Did they come from the "Whole" World? - NO!
When the Bible stated that all the Kings of the whole "World" came to see Solomon, did they come from the whole world? - NO!
God flooded the "world" of the ungodly.
All but 8 people aboard the Ark were wiped out.
Noah had to bring thousands of animals aboard and had to feed them for about 2 years. Remember, when they got off the boat, there was no plant life. They had to eat something. The plants would take considerable time to re-grow. - Right?
Go read Psalm 104:9
Paraphrased - God set boundaries for the water by land masses. The waters will NOT cover the Earth again.
It could not be the "whole" Earth.
That would be a clear contradiction. - Right?
Plus that means God lied with the rainbow. If Noahs flood was local.
It did hit land. It rested on mt Ararat.
Actually the distances are explained by the inflation theory as well as the "paradox" of why the universe looks flat & uniform over the span in all directions. Astrophysicist is well aware of it so I don't understand what he's arguing about there is actually zero conflict with a bible
I found a similar problem with a certain group who claim in the Book of Ruth chapter 1 Samuel is talking about Kings and Rulers when he says “your God”, but if you go back to Judges (the Book) which Ruth is a part of you find Samuel is using the word to refer too to pagan deities when using the word gods.*
So what I mean is what Moses was referring too when talking about days in Genesis should be the same use in other passages with the second definition coming in only as added properties of the first place of the context
I'm going through this for about the 5th time over a 3 year period. Each time I glean more.
Same haha
That is a really slow learning rate brother. 🤣
Keep ' gleaning '. I have been gleaning information for many years.
God created everything in His mind in eternity past and at creation He set everything in motion. He didn't need long periods of time to develop anything once He set time in motion with the physical universe. He made most things as if they had been around for a long time.
The sun travels in a course that takes something like 26 thousand years to complete a cycle but it was created at just one particular place of that cycle and it hasn't even completed one trip yet and most likely ever will.
@@MetalGearTenno wud yu sayin? I is stoopid?
Nah... it's just good practice. I'll always will be learning something.
Besides, it sure is better than watching anything that is produced now under the banner of entertainment.
@@michaelszczys8316 yeah Mike I'm back. I was browsing something else and I came back for a refresh.
I do the same with Missler, AiG, and CAnswers, look them up great info and lots of it
It seems Kent hovind is debating two people and they keep cutting him off like they don't want a response
He is not debating anyone. He has created a position for himself where he cannot possibly be wrong. Fall back is just that the bible is an idiot proof historical account. If it makes no sense then he just says god is omnipotent. This is surely a joke. How can anyone sensible possibly believe the earth created at all let alone in 7 actual days!
Nope because kent is stupid.
@@Yash-wm1nj lmao .... plus he is full of drivel, I call him bent hovinid
Thats how it always is, this just means something more.
@@quasar1280 I get totally sick and tired of people who constantly bash Kent Hovind..... He has more knowledge than you have in your little finger sir
Kent is a soldier. Brings tears to my eyes. Love this brother.
A soldier of divorce and domestic violence, for sure!
@@debras3806 cause his wife was like you. No good.
@@debras3806rumors taken from his enemies and lies.
@@SAHIHCHRISTIAN-eg7pzCondoning domestic violence. Wow.
@@theartofflying3108He was convicted! Came just after his tax fraud conviction. What a lovely guy!!!!
If the day in Genesis 1 was some million years and not as we experience it, then what is the meaning of evening and morning that keep being mentioned?
Its poetry, the same poetry that describes a period of time by calling it a day.
You do realize at the beginning? That a 24 hour was not a thing?
You know what a day in mars is? It’s different. This is not a hard concept to understand.
God bless Dr. Hugh Ross
lu young earther kah bro?
kalo lu old earther,lu belum baca buku kejadian ya?
ngakak kristen percaya evolusi padahal Allahnya udah jelas bilang dia menciptakan langit dan bumi dalam 6 hari
The dude made some great points concerning Day 2, Paul being caught up into the Third Heaven, excellent!
It wasn’t Paul caught up to the third heaven! I think it was Peter 😊
@@maxinericheson9210 You're wrong.
Your both wrong it was Kent hovind
@@jamesscott2605lol
Some of the points of both speakers are excellent.
My thoughts come from my heart and logic. I barely have read any Bible passages, I actually started reading Psalms lately and the few passages I read left me baffled, I was so impressed on the literature, it was literal Gold to me.
Edit: it IS literal Gold to me.
I don't read the Bible anymore it's polluted by man I talk with God all the time. My religion is treat others like I like to be treated. It's God's world and I live in his world, so I pay rent to God by prayer. Hovind is a bad spokesman for the Bible I believe in the big bang I don't get confused by the BS Hovind spreads among folk. I believe he started out with good intentions but now he is a Conman who plays a part that he can't let go of. I wish all Christians well we all pay homage to the one God and that's good enough for me. Regards from Ireland. Eire32
@@patkearney9320 I speak with God myself, how ever the Bible isn’t polluted by man, the Bible stands for itself. It’s up to you to get the information out of it in your own perception. There’s nothing wrong with government, man can screw that up. There’s nothing inherently wrong with anything, until man screws it up, though, if seen from an unbiased open minded perspective, you can see things a lot of others wouldn’t. I do agree many people don’t interpret the Bible correctly, and then go on to indoctrinate others, whether willingly doing so knowing it’s false, or with the intention of trying to help, but still being false. Either way, the Bible stands as it is, not Christian, not Catholic, not Mormon, etc. it is just the Bible.
@@patkearney9320 and j believe Hovind is a Wonderful spokesperson for the Bible. Do I think he has it all correct? No, but who does? It’s a life book meant to guide you, not meant to understand all in one shot. In fact there’s parts that people don’t even go through really. I suggest keeping with it, you can conversate with God, but the Bible is Gods direct words to us. I don’t read it much myself, but I have been more than I ever have, even if it’s one passage a day. The amount of literal gold I’ve read in there is priceless. Read it with your own open minded point of view.
Most everyone, especially Christians would benefit from a basic understand of biblical history, context, culture, Hebrew, and Greek. Additionally a basic course in how to read biblical poetry, narrative, and prose. Or better yet, read the Bible over and over again, read commentaries from scholars you trust.
Topically, the Hebrew word for day uses in genesis 1 does not necessarily mean 24 hrs.
@@thanksdarling1 I think the Bible is a guide to life, meant to be understood from everyone’s individual unique perspective over the course of their life. A lot won’t relate or comprehend the intention of the text, either due to lack of life experience, or not caring. There’s also indoctrination which is others telling you what the scripture means, as opposed to everyone figuring it out for themselves. It’s foolish to teach a child about Gods laws with adultery for example. Yet thing like this are done. So people are told they HAVE to believe in something they don’t even understand, or else.. That is an insult to God and shows more extortion than learning. Where as learning for yourself through experience, and having scripture there to guide you in moments you’re questioning is it’s real meaning of use in this world. Of course this is my opinion. Ask yourself how many people say Our Father or Hail Mary prayers, say 3 of each because a pastor told them to do so, after a confession to “cleanse” their sin. Think about how many people actually understand what those prayers even mean. Do you? Is it something you consciously try to understand the meaning of? Or is it just words you were told to say because someone said so, or else God will be mad? How many people know God, as opposed to people who have a “relationship” with God?
I hate how much the moderator said "the fact is"
Exactly
Or “this opens the door for” bla bla bla
@Gods Nemesis and folks like you love to state your opinion vs facts 🙄
Hugh Ross did a series on the John Ankerburg show that is GOLDEN! Sentinel apologetics condensed it and has it up on TH-cam.
no he didn't, the golden part anyways, this show is a good example as to why it's not. kent hovind clearly kicked his carcass all over this stage. made him and his beliefs look retarted as tunk!
instead of saying "any person who reads this book and is unbiased will come away with 7 literal days", he shouldv'e asked Hugh "an unbiased person, someone who's never heard of the theory of evolution(theory - then why they teach it as fact - this is beside the point), would they read the bible and come away with millions/billions of years just from reading the text, and if so, how?"
@@EricJustice---10-83 Yes, Just as Jews who understand Hebrew… why?… because it was written in Hebrew! There are millions of words in English,,,but only eight thousand in Hebrew! Hebrew words therefore have multiple meanings based on the verb and context.. sometimes , as Americans we think in our language only. Look to a Hebrew linguist instead of an English one.
@@EricJustice---10-83only micro evolution is taught as a fact, not macro. Macro evolution has been pretty widely disproven, and I believe the schools that were teaching it were basing on a scientific fact that was actually lied about. But its not taught in most schools anymore.
John, really a nanosecond, God set the week up for us and rest a day.
That's exactly how it's written in the Bible.
Look up the sabbath- millennium and Barnabas to learn why God took 6 days instead of 6 seconds or .6 seconds - the millennium is the 7th day rest for Gods people.m
Are you calling God a deceiver?
Physics has not changed!
God has not changed!
Bacterial life began on earth ~3.8 billion years ago!
Just because your interpretation sucks does NOT make God a deceiver!
@@Trey-ny7wh nonsense!
It says God rest in the 7th day. It hasnt ended. Show me where it has ended
This was great!!!!
The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution! "In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth." That is simply stating that the Universe had a beginning! That is the Big Bang (beginning)! The Bible said it thousands of years before the scientists "discovered" it circa 1929!
You are parroting YEC talking points instead of doing your own research!!
Here is a video that clearly explains Genesis 1 by an actual expert in Biblical Hebrew.
- Search TH-cam - "Hugh Ross and Walter Kaiser - All in a Day’s Work "
Who is this Hebrew expert?
- Dr. Walter C. Kaiser Jr., PhD.
- President of the Evangelical Theological Society.
- Colman M. Mockler distinguished Professor of Old Testament.
- Contributor to Exodus (The Expositor’s Bible Commentary).
- Author of some 30+ Biblical Commentaries.
- Part of the team that translated the NIV.
- Marquis who’s who top educators - Walter C. Kaiser Jr., PhD.
The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution! "In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth." That is simply stating that the Universe had a beginning! That is the Big Bang (beginning)! The Bible said it thousands of years before the scientists "discovered" it circa 1929!
You are parroting YEC talking points instead of doing your own research!! Here is a video that clearly explains Genesis 1 by an actual expert in Biblical Hebrew.
- Search TH-cam - "Hugh Ross and Walter Kaiser - All in a Day’s Work "
Who is this Hebrew expert?
- Dr. Walter C. Kaiser Jr., PhD.
- President of the Evangelical Theological Society.
- Colman M. Mockler distinguished Professor of Old Testament.
- Contributor to Exodus (The Expositor’s Bible Commentary).
- Author of some 30+ Biblical Commentaries.
- Part of the team that translated the NIV.
- Marquis who’s who top educators - Walter C. Kaiser Jr., PhD.
Did ankerburg need Ross as backup to debate hovind
Sighting research and studies (assuming that's why he mentioned specific people) is an "argument from authority"... but, citing the Bible is perfectly acceptable.
.. yes? The debate is about the Bible so yes that’s a big whomping duh citing from the Bible is acceptable. Citing external sources to prove a theory of the Bible over someone’s interpretation could be considered an appeal to authority if your argument for why you believe a certain thing about the Bible is because of what someone else said.
Kent brought me to Christ, but then I lost my way and Hugh brought me back
God bless High Ross
K
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7
How did that man know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN,
There are so many christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
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All present life (amphibians, terrestrial animals, including man,insects,anelids,vegetation) does not have only one common ancestor; like evolutionists say, it has one Creator; God
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
Dude are you serious? At 51:40 he says someone took pictures before galaxies even existed. He is a nut case.
You mean Huge Loss.
There is never anything WRONG with sharing the Gospel ❗We All need the Good News❤
The problem is not Jesus gospel but what they added to it for salvation is!
Notice Dr.Ross's constant attempts to place God in a box. He does not seem to grasp that the Lord is not bound by mans' understanding.
You're kidding. Right? Pot this is kettle.
My imaginary magic man in the sky can do anything.
This shows the ignorance of the uneducated
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
@@marcblack6775
Yet you still utilize all the advancements that science has made thanks to wise people who have looked outside of your religious dogma.
@@Bimbo-Balls Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Romans 1;22
I’d like to add to my comments that I barely know much, and am going off of my beliefs so far, yet I have much to learn, the journey never ends. Until my journey ends.
With Jesus, it never ends. You have everlasting life.
my 2 favourites debating God/Jesus
I find every YEC vs OEC debate that Ankerberg has moderated, he has shown significant bias in favour of the OEC camp. Usually debating the YEC directly, etc.
You mean bias in favor of the evil, lie position.
Y e
@@frankcabanski9409 is a great place zg
Creationism is a position for the scientifically illiterate
@@logicalatheist1065 Creationism is the only cosmology that makes any logical sense.
The Lord God pretty much showed in the book of Job, He does not fit into any box or is limited by any human reasoning.
Agree
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7
How did that man know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN,
There are so many christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
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All present life (amphibians, terrestrial animals, including man,insects,anelids,vegetation) does not have only one common ancestor; like evolutionists say, it has one Creator; God
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
Love them both great content
It's 2 vs. 1: kent you simply are a a faithful servant of God! You are a champion of the Bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And a champion of divorce and domestic violence!!!!
@@debras3806don't forget tax fraud
The dude is correct about the water cycle, not Dr. Ross. Prior to the Flood, it never rained. Plants were watered by the dew forming overnight, then visible in the morning. When the Flood started, nobody knew what rain was. They had not seen it before. When Noah and all the creatures entered the Ark, God shut the door, not Noah, nor his sons.
This is an extraordinary debate
Is it?
This debate wouldn't even be possible if your God wasn't the worst communicator ever or completely fictitious which is clearly the more obvious answer that explains far more.
@@darkeen42 fallacious reasoning
@@jeffbezos3501 how is that if it was true or you understood what you meant you would have specified fallacious reasoning is a category with lots of different individual items in it what's fallacy am I using please understand what you say before you say it
@@jeffbezos3501 if nobody actually understand what a book means and everybody's been arguing and bickering and burner each other over its actual meaning that's an competent communication light by definition I don't know what the hell is fallacious about pointing that out
The only question that matters: do you confess that Jesus Christ died and was resurrected for our sins and by so doing has saved us by grace?
What year was this debate?
More than 10 years ago. If I had to guess I’d say around the year 2000
Thank you gentlemen for sharing your work.
Kent Hovind....lol He bought his Degree!
@@davewilliams5102Everyone buys their degree you can sit in for harvard lectures and learn all day every day without paying. The degree is what you buy not knowledge.
the main value of debates for me, is if both sides allow the other side to talk. the moderator has a right imho to clarify and keep the subject matter moving which i think ankerberg did.
hovind's strong point is in the 10 commandments. on the 7th day god rested. so keep the 7th day holy. to me that means a day=24 hours.
In the Book of Daniel it says that Daniel's prayers were hindered for 21 days from The Prince of Persia what is the translation for days in the Book of Daniel?
C
Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7
How did that man know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN,
There are so many christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
You done excellent job
Where did God say we need to know all details of creation.
When Hugh said we've seen the farthest star that exists, that alone discredits him completely
Your Phd in astrophysics is from where again?
Yes, you're right Kathyrn. He states that we've now built telescopes powerful enough to see back that far. Hmmmm, what happens if we build a telescope just a bit stronger and see one star further than the last one with it?! Uh, oh! Now THAT becomes the farthest star! LOL... It's foolish thing for him to have said.
@@MutsPub No PhDs required, just common sense.
@@ems3832 OK do you understand what a beginning means?
Common sense would dictate that as the universe began the "first" stars formed. That is what he is talking about. The Big Bang is NOT an explosion, it is a controlled expansion. I always love TH-camrs that know everything. Then comment no PhD's required? The self righteous arrogance.
Maybe if you spent almost 70 years studying astrophysics you might know 1% of what this man knows, little poser boy!
Without a PhD you have no clue what he is actually talking about. He is dumbing it down. - fool!
@@ems3832 You just proved my point you do not know your head from your arse about the Big Bang. You are so far off I am not going to waste my time! - hilarious
Gee everybody we are so woke we can join together and make cutesy comments like some 90's chick OMG. Are you twirling your hair as you post?
I can only find (possibly) two Creation events in the Bible ( Gen1 and Gen 2) where does the other eight come from?
There are some mentions in Job, Psalms...
As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish so the son of man was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. What's the word translated for 3 days and Jonah? Go look it up on Blue Letter Bible
We need to believe in Gods Word and believe as it is written. Please do not argue His Word. Please take the Word to him/her that are in great need of it. 🙏🏼 let us not waste precious hours in arguing get to the people. Please let us not use Gods Word in sessions like these to premote your own views/assumption to call myself the winner of the discussion. May God bless these 2 Gents and all of us. Glory to Jesus. Amen. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
The evidence they present is not for you, and I, but for those who don't believe, and think the Bible is nothing, but a book on Mythology.
"We need to believe in Gods Word and believe as it is written."
But what do you do when two languages say different things in the respective versions of the bible?
I'm sorry to say but it's factual that a hebrew to english translation is flawed, since certain words in one language may not exist in the other, or may have several variations of what they mean in english. It's an important and necessary discussion.
@@ominouspigeonmaster1571 I agree with you, certain verses in the Bible have been changed, but as Dr. Kent Hovind stated in one of his videos, there are people who rewrote the Bible in more modern translation, but however, to get paid for copyrights, they have to change things, and not present the exact same version, so they change it in some places to get that money, if you want to read an authentic Bible, then read the old King James, it is a pain with the thees, and thous, but it is accurate for all tents, and purposes.
So Dr Ross believes that God was able to make the Sun, Moon, Earth, Man, Plants, Animals and all the LAWS that governs them including Physics, Gravity etc.... BUT..... it's impossible for God to do it in 6 days because of the laws of physics? Unbelievable!
Not impossible, but is contradicts the evidence in this world, and doesn't contradict the teachings of the bible according to Dr. Ross.
@@lennertvdboom not at all. It's at odds with its own corruption.
God did in 6 days. Period.
@@stephenzevetchin citation?
@@lennertvdboom the world.
@@stephenzevetchin sure buddy...
Watched all of it
Awesome debate. Thank you.
The "Big Bang" means that the Universe had a beginning. It does not mean evolution. In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth = Big Bang!
Search TH-cam - Genesis and Creation days Hugh - Ross and Walter Kaiser
It will answer both of your comments.
Ross does have many good points and so does Kent but it's unfortunate how Kent ended up calling Ross a heretic, terrible judgment.
Almost as terrible as when Jesus called Peter satan?
Or was it worse for you? You talk like a woman. Truth offends, Huge is a heretic. The spirit of satan blinds him. He would rather be accepted by other scientists, than actually have faith in Gods Holy Word.
@@dannymccarty344 Are you to bear false witness?
Condemn not and you shall not be condemned, right?
You just condemned yourself. - Brilliant.
Dr. Ross has written over 20 detailed books designed specifically with the layperson in mind. He does not make a dime off his books!! He is NOT a "TV Evangelist", selling you Anything!! He is a 40+ year devout Christian Pastor/PhD Astronomer (U of Toronto), former Caltech postdoctoral research fellow, which again is part of the Reasons to Believe "team" with over 180 cross disciplined scholars offering information for those interested.
This RTB "TEAM" would not allow Dr. Ross to distort Scripture in any way!!
- Dr. Ross won the Texas A&M University Trotter Prize in 2012. - The Trotter Prize is awarded at Texas A&M University and is part of an endowed lecture series. It is awarded "for pioneering contributions to the understanding of the role of information, complexity and inference in illuminating the mechanisms and wonder of nature" and includes The Trotter Lecture which "seeks to reveal connections between science and Religion often viewed in academia as non-overlapping, if not rival, worldviews.
How can you be so hateful and claim to be a Christian?
Quote from you, "You talk like a woman."
What the heck is that?
Ross is trying to check the Bible with the education he's learnt, instead of checking his education by the truth of the bible
@@gotech25 Simply untrue. He has been a Pastor for over 40 years! Dr. Ross was awarded the Trotter Prize!! Why do you bear false witness? You clearly do not know the man yet you are OK with smearing his name on the internet? But I suppose you are OK with the convicted felon Hovind that served 9 years in a federal prison for fraud. Typical CINO. Shame on you!
What is wrong with his education?
I really like the John Ankerberg show. With that said though, even though John is the moderator, he obviously leans toward the Old Earth view, whereas he should show a neutral approach in this debate. I have the same problem with the debate between Ken Ham and Hugh Ross. It's only fair to be impartial towards both debaters, even if you have a strong stance on a particular topic.
Iv noticed this as well. In other debates that he has moderated, he does not hide his bias and point of view...that's clear to see. He was actually confronted by this when he moderated the Trinity vs Oneness debate with Walter Martin and the Robert Sabin. In a way I understand his bias, it is his show after all. He is the one sponsoring the chance for the parties to interact and participate, so I guess it does give him some lee way to voice his views, which, although abit unfair, it sparks great dialog.
I'd rather the moderator show his bias.
1:27:50
"Zip-lock bag or what?" 💀💀💀
Did they have timepieces in the garden of Eden? How may hours in the first six days of creation. How many minutes? How many seconds?
It's a generalised account and honestly I don't even get why it's important how old the earth is? Does it mean the gospels don't apply if the earth is billions of years old?
this is hugh and john vs kent on this debate.
Yup. And he still thrashed them.
R
"Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually,
Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!,
Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course.
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
wtf are you guys talking about 😂😂😂😂, this has made me lose faith in humanity, the guy doesn’t use ANY evidence, he just insults Dr. Ross, you realize how much science has come out since this interview? Ya Dr. Ross is correct. Completely. The reason it’s 2 people vs one, is because the one is debating DISHONESTLY. Ignores all peer reviewed scientific evidence, ignores any of Dr. Ross’s credentials, and insults him. It’s funny that he kept using the word cult because seems like people like you in the comments can’t think critically and follow a person who is wrong blindly, kind of like a cult.
Sabbath is the memorial of God's creation... That's why the 7 day week! 🙏
Sorry the 7 day week comes from the lunar cycle.
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"Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually,
Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!,
Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course.
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
@@Juan-lf6qo Did you make up all of those lies all by yourself?
@@tomjackson7755 you are making no sense,
If I affirm this, you'd be ok;
I believe a frog can evolve into a man (not through a kiss; like the "fairy" tale, of course) THROUGH MILLIONS of years of "evolution"!!!!??
@@Juan-lf6qo Did you make up that lie all by yourself too?
You believe that a figurine made of clay becomes a man when the magic breath is blown on it. Just like a "fairy" tale of course.
Where people get this wrong is they pull the scripture where is says thousand years to God is like a day and a day is like a thousand years. That scripture has absolutely nothing to do with the scriptures in Genesis. That scripture is only referring to God not being restricted by time. There is zero inclination that all the other scriptures are open to interpretation. This is what Dr Hovin is talking about. Taking scriptures and using them to fit your own personal narrative to sell books or whatever you are doing with that information.
Dr Hovind
Can I just ask.
In the book of Revelation and during the Tribulation, a day amounts to 1 year.
Could this have been the same for creation.
Would love your thoughts on this if possible.
Does the book of Revelation mention "then there was evening and morning."?
@@sivemtshakazana doesnt matter the point is a day can meaning many different lengths of time. The questions is why doesnt he choose 24 hr and not the others.
Read Exodus 20:11. Creation must be 6 literal days. Then rested on literal 7th day.
Did he reply to your question 😂
@@caughtinthevoidfloyd5821 the common people of New Testament times, in their homes and in business, knew nothing of the day of 24 equal hours. To them the day was the period between sunrise and sunset, and that was divided into 12 equal parts called hours. Of course, the hours were therefore much longer in summer than in winter.
Kent’s face at 41:07 is priceless
Brotha said "🤨"
so have you seen aronra's videos "Bisbee tries to refute evolution by misreading the evidence", "How Zoology Disproves Noahs Flood" and "Refuting the Irrefutable Proof of God - part IX"
@@jamesginty6684 aronra is clueless about what the Bible really says or what it’s all about
You make no sense... Kent is the only one with common sense
@Aspect671 exactly normal to me
I am an astronomer who believes that GOD created the universe...I have talked to Kent on the phone about stellar parallax. They are now using the New Horizons spacecraft to form a baseline with earth and measure angles to such a precise amount that we can EASILY calculate distances to stars with much higher accuracy than ever before.
It might be possible someday but I doubt in our lifetime considering the massive distances required. The past records were nothing more than guess work and many times straight up fraud claims. Best of luck though but I have my doubts and based on past examples I'm reluctant to believe any experts at this point.
to suggest that the universe is billions of years old based on the speed of light and trigonometry is like saying "don't worry, give us more time and we'll come up with evidence your honor". No, you should enter a courtroom with evidence before saying we need more time. Also, if we can see the farthest star in the universe then what is beyond the universe? Don't you think that would be in discover magazine? Life beyond the universe!
Good for you, you believe God created the universe. The question is, are you young earth or extremely old earth. God could have placed the stars anywhere he wanted to and also could have made the light appear anywhere he wanted to. He could have made light from hundreds of billions of light years away stars appear on earth in an instance.
@@kirkleidemann5051 That is correct. God can go anything he wants or wanted to. Us trying to understand it all is like an ant trying to understand us. The main message of the Gospel is that we have all sinned and deserve death, but Jesus gave his life as payment for our sins so we could share eternal life with God. Trying to turn "too much" towards science takes us away from the REALLY important stuff!
God Almighty can create everything in all of its intricacies, all at once, within less than milliseconds.
Ummm. I want to hear the entire conversation.
Do these discussions bring us back to God or away from God??!!
Funny how right off the one guy says it's impossible for God to create the universe in any way other than the way he says.
R
"Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually,
Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!,
Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course.
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
@@Juan-lf6qo Now you mention that, it just hit me that with all the Creation vs Evolution debates I've seen, they never seem to bring that up. They mention fossils, yes, but they don't give an explanation as to how the thing changed from something else, only that it did.
Another little tidbit that people believe evolution because they want to believe it, but don't really know why.
@@ReligiousGThat would be descent with modification. Do you look exactly like your siblings or cousins? No, there’s some variation. If your cousin was born with the genes for a dodgy heart, are they more or less likely to have kids of their own? Repeat that for a few million years and get back to me.
And maybe god created the universe last Tuesday and our memories are illusions. Once you start introducing magic all reason falls apart and the past becomes all miracles and madness.
@@Detson404once you use impossible with God you need to start treading carefully
I enjoy these debates very much, as it amplifies my faith. I think Dr. Hovind very good in his explanations and takes on the meanings of the bible and their relationship with science. One thing I have taken note of is regarding the use of the phrase "in Hebrew the word means...". My concern is that ancient Hebrew word meanings are different than modern meaning of the same words- just like in English- old English is different than modern English in word meanings. For example, clown in the time of Shakespeare is different than today. Way different. One needs to think about that when people compare Hebrew words and their meaning in the bible. By the way, I am a Catholic man. Thank you for doing these videos.
You are right...words change..like it use to be HOT to be COOL...hey she's hot or he is cool.....just saying😂😂😂
@daveforeman6931. I believe all they miss the most aspect of all. GOD PROMISE TO KEEP HIS WORDS NOT ROSS.
His explainations are rubbish.
A "day" is one full rotation of a planet. If a planet rotates more slowly, the day lasts longer. If the planet rotates faster, the day is shorter. If a planet stopped revolving completely, it's day would either be ENDLESS, or have not exist at all... depending how you interpret that situation. BTW: What did God do on the 8th day?
It’s not good when one Christian is hostile towards the other, no matter how wrong you think his belief is.
Kent needs God to humble his arrogant and pride self. I am heart broken to see him insulting dr Ross like this, I hope he’s humble now.
Being a huge fan of both of these men. This really was a 2 vs one debate which was disappointing.
It should however be noted that Ross was wrong. Recent technology advances discovered a new solar system far beyond the the furthest most star Ross said we found. I’m afraid he was wrong and Hovind was correct in his assumption in stating that there would be more stars found with the increase in discovery.
Although Ross is correct in regards to the beginning of the story when God created the two big lights, Gods word uses “let there be”, in verse 16 it says “and God made (asa)”. Ross surely knows he is omitting information to be able to make his point.
Hugh Ross is incorrect just as you are my friend, Read your book again. You're following a Evolutionist that is 5% Christian. He's gonna lead you to the gates of hell and as I see it... You're happy to follow him.
@@dannylayne4227 You should check out on Hebrews 4 buddy.
"Young Earth" view is a stumbling block because if you put all of your eggs in that basket for that, people will challenge your view and it will fall apart.
There are things I disagree with both of them. Hugh reads a few things into the text, and Kent assumes what God 'would' do based on his idea of what's common sense.
I am not a multi tasker. Ankerberg was speaking and I was listening. You put something up from Exodus chapter 20. I was supposed to listen and read at the same time. I can not do both. I was unable to read Exodus chapter 20, and you took it down and continued speaking. Slow down!
I hold to the belief that there are far more mysteries in the universe that we can imagine. What we know from science doesn’t even scratch the surface - and trying to understand the big questions with our limited (even scientific) knowledge is like trying to solve calculus problems just by using addition.
so have you seen aronra's videos "Bisbee tries to refute evolution by misreading the evidence", "How Zoology Disproves Noahs Flood" and "Refuting the Irrefutable Proof of God - part IX"
Absolutely justified. Does not even scratch the surface. Ha ha ha.
No what you know from science doesn't scratch the surface
@@jamesginty6684 Yes, many have watched them. Yet, there are plenty lectures or talks or debates here on TH-cam by PHD scholars proving evolution false Trillions of times: evolution is impossible. Creation is the only correct scientific answer.
And, yet, in Romans Paul states that men can know God because of the created world. I find that passage encourages us to study God's work in the creation.
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2:21 KJV
To confirm it was a rib that God took from Adam to make Eve.
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7
How did that man know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN,
There are so many christian religions today, doing exactly what he said.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
R
All present life (amphibians, terrestrial animals, including man,insects,anelids,vegetation) does not have only one common ancestor; like evolutionists say, it has one Creator; God
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
Here's an interesting thought. Can hugh prove scientifically all of the other miracles in the bible? Not that I disagree with him on the old earth but what is his take on all of the other miracles?
Very interesting, I would like to see him explain the scientific significance and provide reliable evidence concerning the miracles. There is actually a documentary concerning the Exodus in Gods word. I thought he did it with “magic”, but there is an abundance of scientific evidence that actually explain how these events occurred. Including archeological evidence. It’s honestly quite amazing. The conclusion is that God can ultimately manipulate reality and nature to accomplish His own good will. God bless you greatly.
If you debate him again, I guess it'll give you more material to do a review and critique on later. It's actually a pretty shady thing to do with a debate in which you were a participant, but it certainly gives you the last word on every single point. You definitely won this round.
"When did entropy begin? Did it begin at the beginning of the universe, or did it start only when Adam sinned?"
And the award for the most pseudo-scientific question ever goes to ...
At the fall.
@@fountbrooks2997 Oh, as in fall = autumn? Makes total sense, amen
@@blackgoatb 🤡
God did not make a universe of death
Pseudo science would be testing without factoring in conditions that are hypothesized. You are judging a belief based on your conditions not the conditions believed to be at play. The hypothesis at play is that entropy would not effectively exist as God is physically on earth in the universe in His whole form acting as a perfect sustainer or energy source to halt entropy (open system). When Adam and even sinned then God (by definition the most holy being ever) took His holiness away from Adam and Eve so that he wouldn’t have to kill them in judgement. He instead set His plan of redemption in motion but the world began feeling the effects of entropy. So the conditions of the hypothesis is that entropy has an external source to prevent it and when that source left then the sun and other external sources began to be an imperfect energy source that is unable to halt entropy in the same way.
This is the hypothesis some YEC have but you’re looking at it with your conditions and must judge it by its own conditions or you’re a hypocrite for inferring that you care about scientific integrity
It's staggering how people fail to see the simple truth. Mentions of mornings and evenings in addition to Exodus 20:11.. it's clearly 24 hour periods. Why would God need billions of years? Why? Time was created for human beings, so having billions of years passing by with no one to experience them makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Fair play to Kent for putting up with all this.
I dont believe in evolution but a Christian should be unbiased and seeking the truth oin all things so, I studied it out trying to see it that way. I can see some verses, but everything points to a young earth. Bilogy is funny, both sides present the same evidemce but interpret it different ways. Major civilizations Sumerian, Egypt and Minoan just pop into existence with an established culture which says young earth. The physicis behind evolution doesn't work..at all. I have to go with young earth
I've asked this thoughtful question myself. God created and time, therefore He is outside of time as we know it. Sure for us it may be billions of years, but for God who created time it could be a blink.
It is clear. As you said. Even in the beginning of the debate. Trying to spin it to 12 hours or 24 or a long period of time.
1. When God was finished... it was evening and then morning. Why would it mean a day is only 12 hours? God did ALL those things... and then it was evening... and then morning. It still STAYS 24 hours.
On another vid I saw of hugh ross about neil degrasse... he said that there is no problem with the sun etc only apearring on a later stage. It was due to the atmosphere changing and the animals only then seeing the sun for the first time... WAIT A MINUTE. So... in that case 3 days would be normal 24 hour days. But if you do not look at that it could be a long period of time?
Sorry... animals would not live for thousands of years without the sun. A few days... no problem. Thousands of years... bull.
You don't consider that maybe god didn't do it?
@@jevvhobruv9266 No, because that is an impossibility.
At 2:17:50, Ankerberg refers the gospel to say what Christians are to believe; which proves the point~!
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES." (1 Corinthians 15:3-8 KJB)
Amen Kent giving. For being strong enough to call out Ross
One of the huge problems man has..is he is always arrogant to think he can figure things out rather just admit he just doesn’t know..
I watch this movie...and found out...when inner database memory have corrupted...logic will be corrupted greater...
Hovind knows this...debating many to clarified it...God bless you Hovind...
instead of saying "any person who reads this book and is unbiased will come away with 7 literal days", he shouldv'e asked Hugh "an unbiased person, someone who's never heard of the theory of evolution(theory - then why they teach it as fact - this is beside the point), would they read the bible and come away with millions/billions of years just from reading the text, and if so, how?"
The moderator is wrong on Gen 2:4. The verse is not looking back at Gen 1, but is introducing what comes after it in chapter 2 in the ensuing verses. This is manifest from the fact that it says that the generations were when no plant had yet grown because there had been no rain. But Gen 1 already has fully formed plants. So Gen 2:4 onward is introducing a different aspect to the creation. It is not summarising Gen 1.
Just believe what God said....you don't need every detailed item of creation
T
"Evolution" says all present life have a common ancestor, everything evolved "through millions of years" (of course) gradually,
Where are the transitional forms in the fossil record??, answer:NOWHERE!!,cause they don't exist!!,never did!,never will!,
Or it just went magically from bacteria to amphibians, and from amphibians to ALL SORT OF TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS INCLUDING MAN of course.
The human being wrote the prophecies of the Bible but is not the author.
DISPERSION: (Deutoronomy 64)
"And the Lord will scatter you among all the peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end"(NO OTHER PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HAS BEEN DISPERSED LIKE ISRAEL)
PRESERVATION (Isaiah 66)
"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make will remain before me, says the Lord, so your offspring and your name will remain."
ISRAEL WILL BE A NATION AGAIN: (Ezekiel 36)
"And I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all lands, and bring you to your country."
(prophecy fullfilled after WW2)
I invite you to visit this channel of yotube to listen to the word of God,: Iglesia La Luz del Mundo - Ortodoxia
All I know is WAP, is more suitable to the public then Dr Seuss is..😅😅
You're killing me! LMAO.... I'm dead 🤣🤣
Laughter adds years to your life!😊❤😜
Questions:
If all things that have a temperature exude light, doesn't that mean there is no such thing as darkness? So when the Bible says let there be light, does that then mean that all of creation is light... Meaning there is no such thing as darkness, that darkness is nothing more than an illusion because of our inability to see all the different wave lengths of light?
And if E=mc2, does that mean if we capture light and prevent it from escaping, that that light no matter how light that light is (whether we can see it or not) can that light if captured create energy?
I think darkness is antimatter
@@criminaltotheworld3154 with all due respect, you only believe that because someone told you there must be another (inverted/anti) side to "space". As much as I wanted to believe that when I was younger, the more math I've done the more that math has proved its not possible.
If the truth is "everything "/all things that have a temperature exude light, then there truly is no darkness (darkness is an illusion) and equals nothing more than our inability to see the other layers of light that must exist... then the antimatter you speak of is nothing more than that which has yet to be detected/seen within the physical. ie the hidden hand of nature/the all seeing eye worshiped throughout time. If captured light turns into energy (and it does, well through experiments we know it does gain mass) and if space is the firmament above the firmament, then we must conclude that the hidden light is the source (energy) that holds everything together. Or stated another way, the light that we see hides the truth.
Cal-perfect tense? Define it! Educate me. Is there a difference in the Hebrew versus the English? I have heard in Greek, there are different verbs of time we do not have in English.
This really was a debate!! Even I was nervous 😅. God bless these brothers.
I question whether someone who persists in a "big bang theory" is really walking with and living from the spirit of God
Also who says stars were impossible under a young Earth. Impossible to who? God? Impossible?
Also the Bible says Adam was 930 years old when he died not millions of years old.
1:46 Then man in the audience who questions Hovind doesn't understand the limits of carbon dating.
It’s like we are watching two firefighters rescue people from a burning building and at the same time they are accusing each other of using the wrong type of ladder
In regards to John Ankerberg, he had a co-host, Jimmy DeYoung, who along with Brannon Howse, and John MacArthur, believed you could take the mark of the beast and still be saved~? I wonder if he believes that as well~?
Science according to Hugh: 2 billion isn't meaningfully different from 4 billion because we aren't sure. "I don't know. Therefore, I'm right."
yes but there's less difference between 2 billion and 4 billion than between 2 billion to 4 billion 6 thousand years
Science according to Kent
Hovind; "well that's just stupid"
@@mikebetts2046 You do realize that 4 billion is 100% more than 2 billion. That's a huge difference. That's science.
@@frankcabanski9409 yeah, I know that. I'm an educated engineer with a minor in math. I kind of got that part. Perhaps you missed the point. Scientists generally home in on an answer over time. The closed-minded never home in on anything because they never see the error of their ways.
So yes, scientists have been wildly off on their estimates of the age of the earth. But they get better over time.
There is of course a huge difference between six days and ANYTHING like the estimates made by geologists. That is the point that Hugh Ross was making.
And of course many (if not most) scientists are also stuck in paradigms due to their own pride and other versions of close mindedness.
@@mikebetts2046 Right. Scientists always claim to be above human, no ego, just looking for answers.
I agree. There's a difference between God created it in 6 days and any of the wild estimates supposed scientists make. The first is the truth.
"We're not right yet, but we're getting closer because we're not afraid of examining it and getting it wrong. Therefore, you have to take what we say as absolute fact."
Nope. When you admit to being wrong, you can't then claim to be absolutely right.
sn The first day. The exegetical evidence suggests the word “day” in this chapter refers to a literal twenty-four hour day. It is true that the word can refer to a longer period of time (see Isa 61:2, or the idiom in 2:4, “in the day,” that is, “when”). But this chapter uses “day,” “night,” “morning,” “evening,” “years,” and “seasons.” Consistency would require sorting out how all these terms could be used to express ages. Also, when the Hebrew word יוֹם (yom) is used with a numerical adjective, it refers to a literal day. Furthermore, the commandment to keep the sabbath clearly favors this interpretation. One is to work for six days and then rest on the seventh, just as God did when he worked at creation.
NetBible Note 22 for Genesis 1:5
Amen
What to you constitutes a metaphorical 24-hour day?
I hear this argument all the time, but no one says what a metaphorical 24-hour day is, as if the regular word can never ever be used metaphorically.
And God's children said, "Amen."
Please stop forcing an English mindset on a Hebrew text- God’s intention was not for you to read His word like a textbook
I just love Hugh’s persistent calmness, even though I’m not really fully on his boat.
A billion years of rest doesn’t fit into our current work week/hours. So, mechanistic mathematics now coined the term mega-minutes, dynamic days.
You just make crap up to sound, what? Smart?
It's not working!
Who or what has been resting for billions of years?
You might need to take your meds and calm down.