True ending: - Ask Priscilla on a date - Try to speak to Quelaag instead of killing her - farm baby skeletons humanities and feed them to the Fair Lady - Save Solaire and Siegmeyer - Save the Bonfire Keeper in Firelink Shrine - Adopt Sif - Have a nice bbq every Sunday afternoon and use Frampts flooded altar as a pool for the kids
Yeah, the Old Witch's Ring really should have allowed you to skip the Quelaag fight. Also, the humanity phantoms in Manus's lair have the highest humanity drop rate.
But doesn't saving Siegmeyer end in him being hollowed? Would it be better to let him die with his humanity? (Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't had a chance to play any Dark Souls game except 3)
@@VistilShaiteth nope, if you kill the weird enemy vacuum things in Lost Izalith before talking to him then talking to him he’ll actually get to survive
Frampt and the others said i would "inherit" and link the flame once again, i assumed i took the lordsoul within me much like gwyn and the others did when they first found it. Not sacrificing myself as fuel for it like gwyn desperately did eventually.
The best ending is agreeing to help Frampt them simply turning towards the Dark completely by accident (because I didn't know where to go besides back through the door), suddenly being worshipped by a bunch of ugly serpents. My ending.
@@elbermax2631 Nope. I never meet Gwyndolin. Actually I went to Abyss almost in the end of game. I killed knights in Abyss and after that I went to kill Gwyn
Gwyn: i will use my soul to defeat the dragons Witch of izalith: i will use my soul to try to recreate the first flame Furtive Pygmy: i will use my soul to make humanities and an age of dark Nito: ima just chill in my tomb
Dark Souls 1: No good endings Dark Souls 2: Your choices don't matter / screw the choice, I choose FREEDOM Dark Souls 3: Keep the fire (choose the rot), become Griffith, or let the world begin its natural course into the next age. One ignorant (bad) ending, one questionable (evil) ending, one good ending.
@@OtepRalloma but the thing with the dark ending is that ds is a big loop. If you let the fire fade it stars again and the whole cycle of despair continues. The best ending is the usurpation because it (hopefully) breaks the cycle and lets humans or hollows, which are the true form of humanity, live without the gods being huge jerks.
@@chlopaczekhula3524 If you let the fire fade, you let a fresh fire start some time in the future. The problem isn't the fire. The problem is they never let it go out. It's like making a new painting. The Usurpation ending feels like the dark version of Gwyn's sin-an endless age of dark. It'll just lead to rot again.
The Dark ending is the bad ending because now you have to put up with Frampt's ungodly chewing sounds for the rest of your life as the Dark Lord. Several weeks of lunch breaks with a dozen frampts will make you wished you linked the flame. GOOD JOB.
The true canon ending is losing Frampt by jumping down and placing the lordvessel yourself because he wouldn't wake up. Never meeting Kaathe due to nopeing out of the abyss after Four Kings followed by linking the flame accidentally because you assume it's another bonfire.
This describes everything I did except for jumping down alone, i accidentally noped out of the abyss without seeing Kaathe and absolutely linked the flame by instinctively trying to rest at the bonfire. lol
@@theegreenoneyou can see him only if you never talk to Frampt. The 4 Kings is the only lord you can defeat before placing the lord vessel in his place
Oh, also, even the path I suggest above might not guarantee that the world of Dark Souls would get back on track properly. There may be no good solution, or there may only be solutions that help some, but are detrimental to others.
Funny how 5 years ago you said at the end - "Instead of choosing an ending go live with Priscilla or something". I know it was a joke, but it's nice and coincidental that the end-ending of the souls series involves you taking the dark soul to the painting woman, so refuge can be taken within a painted world from the real world's end.
Sadly i think that even that ending is not "perfect" a new painting is a new world, as the previous ones (Ariamis and Ariandel) were slowly taken by the rot, i think this one too will inevitably rot and the cycle continues
@@meathir4921 that's kinda why they had a positive ending for DS3. DS1 is way more depressing than the other souls games (there's literally not one net positive outcome in the entire game, NPCs included) and DS2 and DS3 kinda reverse that. DS2's ending is just straight up good for the character and a journey that we actually triumph in on our own terms and DS3 base's "canon" ending is probably letting the dark set in through the fire keeper and not Yuria, which also ends on a hopeful note. Thus the DLC ending is also positive, because first off there's nothing to indicate otherwise, and secondly the "everything will fade" theme of DS1 stayed there, in DS1. 2 and 3 had themes and endings with atleast some positive outcomes (DS2 finally sees you freed from the curse and hope that there's freedom from the cycle, DS3 base game finally ushers in an age of dark unmarred by Kaathe and the Abyss, with firekeeper saying there's hope for the future, and DS3 dlc ending in a note where there starts a new world that will be free of war and decay. DS1 just has primordial serpents manipulating you and you become an unknown with no glory, both in the base game as subsequent games don't mention the chosen undead at all meaning Frampt probably snuffed out all proof of our existence, and all NPCs end up hollow or dead). DS3 DLC literally is built around hope, as seen by patches's quest, which exemplifies the spirit of that DLC and the game as a whole; everything might not be fucked.
Dan G I think the more common interpretation is that it doesn't matter if you link the fire or don't. If you don't, someone else one day will come along and link it. Especially since the four "big bads" (lord souls aka great souls) are already out of the way. All it takes is an undead to just link it and bring back an age of fire, at the cost of their own sacrifice. It's worth noting though, that the age of fire changes length depending on who sacrifices themselves. Chosen undead from DS1 would certainly be a much larger amount of fuel, but the cycle continues no matter what. As far as DS2 is concerned, either ending from DS1 will still lead to that. It's a cycle that no one's yet broken. If there's ever a DS3, I think breaking that cycle would be a good goal.
Hugh Jass well, as goatmeal said, I guess someone else could come in and link the fire since the doors are wide open and all the boss's are dead. I hadn't considered that myself.
Lord's Blade Ciaran I like Queelag's sister she seems like such a nice character. You can't use the dark red orb when you're a Chaos Servant or call yourself a Darkwraith though :( You'll have to settle with ghetto cracked red orbs which, while the same except for being consumable don't have the same feel as using a proper red orb. You also get really cool armor for upgrading to +2 in the Darkwraith covenant. I have the feeling that everyone and their grandma equips the Darkwraith helmet with the spiked armor set. Can't blame them, it's a really cool looking combo.
Bite The Bullet whaat? he literally ONLY cares about the tenno. the entire plot of the quest was that the stalker was hunting the Tenno and you had to find your tenno before he killed it/you.
What I find to be one of the most glaring and overlooked details is the fact that the flame came from the darkness to begin with. Let the fire die. It will come again.
So, rather than keep the existing one alive, kill it so it respawns? If that's how it goes then both ending are the exact same, maybe a few more years for dark ending but pretty much the same
@@daifuku75 obviously both are not the same as seen in DS3. Imagine the end of our Universe. You face two choices; 1. It just keeps going but nothin new grows and all else just crumbles to dust. 2. It all ends so that it can begin again with fresh new energy. That’s the choice. One is stagnation, the other is renewal.
*runs around Lordrian gathering NPCs -Lautrec* *Cuts down Dark root* *Throws all NPCs into Painted world* *Kill/Imprison all enemies* *Rebuild town* *Live happy and peaceful lives in Painted world*
neoaustin164 And then the painted world begins to rot away and becomes home to more terrible and less than happy folk that will try to kill you. Thus will begin the quest to create a new painted world which will more than likely cause blood to shed.
@Marek Tužák Well yes but actualy no. Dark Souls 2 is in itself not a bad game, it is, i would argue, still one of the best games i played, however it is quite bad for a dark souls game. it feels less responsive, there is overall more uninteresting enemy design, the world is less interesting and less interconnected, the game is alao hard for the wrong reasons, since there are enemys that just hit you whereever you stand, while they made blocking less vialble overall. the story is also somehow less catching, but that might be my prefference... overall, it is a good game, but a bad dark souls game
Actually there is a canon 'good' ending. From Software confirmed that if you save Solaire and have him summoned for the Gwyn fight, then walk away from the fire with Solaire still alive, then sunbro links the fire in your place. Solaire's burning passion for light and the sun keep the first flame burning near indefinitely, while the Chosen Undead uses the power of the Dark Soul to cancel out the worst of the flame's brightness, stopping what would be the oppression of a new regime of gods. Just as death keeps life in check and renews it, so does the darkness mitigate and refresh this new and lasting light, and so Lordran is finally made whole again and the undead curse dissipates. Though... In Lordran, the flow of time is distorted. The flow of time itself is convoluted; with heroes centuries old phasing in and out... And in another world, Solaire goes mad, and is slain. In another world, the Chosen Undead links the flame themselves, and the curse persists. In another world, the linking of the fire causes souls to flourish anew, and the souls of lords find their new homes. In another world, another chosen undead awakens, and begins his pilgrimage, seeking larger and more powerful souls to undo his curse. In another world, he collects the souls of lords, and upon them he builds a great kingdom, as he tries to end his curse. ...And he falls. And another undead is chosen to link the flame in his place. Welcome to Drangleic.
Then.... I guess I got the bad ending. Because I decided to ignore both serpents and dedicated the rest of eternity to caring for the fair lady ;w; I'm such a monster... I-I've surely saved her by now... From Software... Where is Spidersis? I saved her. Please tell me where she is. I want to show her all the work I did. I made her sister's soul into a weapon with which to harvest humanity. I braved the humanity sprites in the abyss over and over for her. I have used what must be hundreds of red eye orbs harvesting humanity. When does she get better? ;w; Where is the ending for those of us who choose to stay with our waifus?
Isn't there a way to get the fire keeper's soul and then use it to prevent hollowing? If so, would this not be perfect indefinite fuel for the first flame? Combine with Solair's timeline where he doesn't go mad and you have a double pact of theoretically infinite fire. Solair becomes the fire and can't go hollow so sun bro is pretty much and immortal god. Granted, I've never finished the game due to what seems to be fate conspiring IRL to prevent me from playing but despite that, the plan seems sound. The dark would forever be counter balanced by the pure soul of a fire keeper and the will of a sun god not to mention the efforts of what could possibly be his friend of the light.
+Jonah Skiff I assume he means where you use the master key to skip the depths and go straight to Blighttown through New Londo. Or I'm just completely wrong, that's an option :P
"If you aid them they decide that humans aren't bad afterall. If you sleight them, then they treat you with their built up resentment." "AAAAAAAAAAGH! SO THIS IS TRUE HUMAN NATURE!!!!"
Thank you. It's a theory I developed after noticing the similarities in look shared by the Abyss-warped humans of Oolacile in Dark Souls and the Great Ones in Bloodborne, the former being the newborn form of the latter. Also, given that the Abyss has no bonfire network of its own, it's very likely that its influence couldn't spread all over the globe equally, meaning the Bloodborne humans could be the descendants of the Dark Souls ones that lived the farthest from Lordran at the time the First Flame died out.
It's a good idea but I always thought its more like: Dark Souls -> Light Ending -> Age of Fire continues -> several cycles later -> Dark Souls 2 *OR* Dark Souls -> Dark Ending -> Age of the Dark starts -> someone lights it up again -> several cycles later -> Dark Souls 2 *THEN* Dark Souls 2 -> King Ending -> Age of Fire continues -> several cycles later -> Dark Souls 3 Dark Souls 2 -> Walk away Ending -> Age of the Dark starts -> several cycles later -> Dark Souls 3 *AND IF* Bloodborne is in the same universe but different time period ( i mean, Chester must have come from somewhere, right?) then it takes place manymanymanymany.... cycles after DS3. I think that one of the main ideas in DS universe this crushing realisation of utter pointlessness of any struggle, since everything is destined to repeat, and you can either keep the current age running a little more, or you can start the next one. It doesn't matter since its a cycle anyway.
I will point out that in oolacile, it was the abyss, not the dark, that caused the transformation in the populace. The abyss is shown to be a malevolent force, Artorias's state is proof enough of that, but that doesnt mean the dark is the same
@@meathir4921 All that means is that abyss is strongly related to humanity, not that it's humanity itself. Manus was an ancient human ancestor who got graverobbed and went mad. If they just left him alone there wouldn't have been any abyss at all.
Knight Lautrec here's your real ending. Beat the game with a mouse and keyboard, then come back to me. I'm sure you'll have a totally different appreciation for halberd tactics.
Well its the light and dark what make hollows the abyss is not dark and light and hollow he is a begining but i prefer to be a abyssal human with no dark and light conflict and no mind and soul breakdown what is the hollow abyss is just a nature form to prevent this vicious cycle that is light the good and dark the dumber poor soul better than be a villian i am human abyssal with no light that dark uses the knowledge of light to corruption of the abyss and light the goodness and abyss life with no dark and light
I love how with that last line "go and live with Priscilla or something" he basically predicted how the dark souls series would end. That's exactly what happens when arya creates a painted world from the dark soul for humans to live in, free of the fire linking curse
The "Becoming the Darklord" ending won't end up in another Oolacile. Humans are born from the dark, but unwillingly adopted the light because of Gwyn's sacrifice. The light and the dark inside the humans struggle and end up destroying each other, so they become hollow. Letting the flame fade means that the light inside humanity dies, thus returning to their dark nature. Oolacile was like that because the humanity of Manus became wild, uncontrolable. If we can control all the Dark Soul we can be as powerful as Gwyn, we could be his oposite. That's what Kaathe is trying to do, make a true human that can embrace the hole Dark Soul, becoming as powerful as any of the Four Lords. Why does he want that is another tale.
+Fukuro - Pierce the Heavens The Oolacile situation is because of Manus going wild yes , but Kaathe instructs the people of Oolacile to make him go mad. Kaathe is not trying to make humans as powerfull as the lords or anything , he is manipulating you just like Frampt.
+Fukuro - Pierce the Heavens Could anyone be powerful enough to control it? There are so awful endings in fiction and reality alike where it all goes to shit when someone says "Yeah this will be so useful" followed by "No! I cant control it its too powerful" as they die horribly. That said im not sure how shit the world will be in the age of dark but supposedly dark souls 3 is going to be set on it. Maybe we'll learn about that part of history and make new meaning for how dark the dark age is?
+Kali Mah Yeah. Despite being so interesting to make theories, I think that before we keep speculating we should let a few months for everyone to finish Dark Souls 3 (including myself). That way, after the information is complete we'll see how many answers we got.
Option 3: save Solaire, the True Sun, bring him to the fight with Gwyn, and then have him ignite the flame, and it will never ever go out. \[T]/ Praise the Sun!
Well according to The Scholar of First Sin, he said humans are actually creatures of darkness and we only have this form because the Gods of Light feared the darkness. So I think the serpent is telling the truth afterall.
maker0914 Well yes! Human... souls... All the "humanity" you get is from dark soul fragments. We're creatures of dark. Not necessarily evil... as the story shows you the real evil is the Light Gods.
I chose the dark lord ending by accident...after defeating gwyn I decided to do a bit more exploring so I walked back out the giant double doors and then I was the dark lord all of a sudden 🤷♂️
I would still say the Dark Lord ending is the best choice. Even if you didn't have Solaire to help you and believe that he links the fire in your place, realizing the power of the Dark soul is far better (to me) than prolonging a useless Age of Fire again. On another note, anyone notice the difference in "the Dark" and "the Abyss?" This difference can't be a fault in translation, similar to how the Old Chaos is different from Fire. It seems just like how the Witch created a perverse unnatural fire from her soul, Oolacile created a twisted and consuming void of the Dark by torturing Manus.
Yeah I was going to mention this. The Abyss is very clearly a distinct entity from the Dark, since it started with Manus and the Dark existed before that. If anything, the Dark would probably be combating the Abyss as the Light did.
@@timothywilliams594 ik this was made five years ago but every time the age of fire is prolonged it makes everything worse and worse. At least with a new dark age there could be a hard reset to the age of fire.
Both Kaathe and Frampt manipulate you for their own ends, whatever they are. Yet both show up to serve the Chosen Undead in the Dark Ending, even though you did the opposite of what Frampt told you to do. Maybe Frampt was also trying to bring about the Dark Age, but in a much more subtle, patient way? Support for such a far-fetched notion: Frampt is asking us, an Undead human, to succeed Gwyn, a flipping GOD OF LIGHT, as a source for the First Flame. How long could we possibly burn? A few years? A decade? *Maybe* a century? Definitely not for nearly as long as Gwyn burned. He may be trying to about the Dark Age in a way that the gods won't punish him for ("Well, Gwyndolin/whomever, I did exactly as you and Gwyn wanted. I sent an Undead to replace him as fuel for the First Flame, and it still died out. Maybe the Age of Fire was meant to end all along..."). And maybe Frampt leaves if you side with Kaathe because he still fears the wrath of the gods; though it's in its dying days, the Age of Fire is still going on, and (at least, when you are first taken to Firelink Altar) the Lord Soul bearers are still around and relatively loyal to Gwyn (Well, maybe Nito is. Izalith and Seath are not really in a state of mind to process "loyalty".). And if you go ahead and link the Flame... well, Frampt implies (he may be lying here, but for now we will assume he isn't) that you're the only Undead in almost a millennium to have come this far, so it's not likely that it will happen again before you burn out and the Dark Age comes along. Either way, the Fire fades and only Dark remains... You all can have the exiled half-dragon maiden. I'm going to go be Quelana's friend. Poor witch needs a hug...
I don't think the dark end is the same as what was happening to Oolacile. In Oolacile the abyss, not darkness, was spreading. You see, the abyss is for the dark soul the same thing that the bed of chaos is for the fire/light soul
Manus, ruler of Oolacile is the Furtive Pygmy, him being "ancient man". Who was that? Why, the one who gave us all humanity. the Pygmy. The Pygmy bore the Dark Soul. The Abyss was a corruption of humanity, consumed by Manus. It won't be so hard to imagine that the Age of Dark will lead to eventual corruption, too.
When you think about it, the light ending is the good ending because the reason you started this adventure is because Oscar saved your butt from the undead asylum. After which he told you directly that his dying wish is for you to finish what he started. So the least you could do is light the fire and complete the poor guy’s legacy
The true ending in dark soul 1 and 2 is the light ending because if the true ending is dark Ending we will get ringed city at dark soul 1 or 2, but the true ending in dark soul 3 is dark Ending, because If we choose light ending in dark soul 3 the world Will not collapse and we Will not go to ringed city. Just give the blood of dark soul too the Painter and you Will get the ending of all souls series.
@@wl4525 but didn’t Vatti state in one of his DS2 lore videos that he believes that the second game will happen no matter which ending you pick? (I remember him saying that but it is one of his older videos so it’s still a questionable theory)
I think no, because if we choose light ending we Will die and the fire Will not fade and the cycle Will repeat. In dark soul 3 DLC the world end and the fire fade, thats mean we broke the cycle and we choose dark ending because our character still life until the end of the world. So If in dark soul 1 or 2 the true ending is dark Ending there should not be dark soul 3. I Think Vaati says that before the ringed city DLC
@@wl4525 Dark Souls 3 happens possibly thousands of years after Dark Souls. I think you don't have a sense of time here. All 3 games take place in the same physical location, as there is only one Kiln of the First Flame. Almost all the characters in Dark Souls 2 aren't alive yet during Dark Souls 1. Many kingdoms rose, spread, and fell over the ruins of Lordran before Dranlaek came along. And many more came and went before Dark Souls 3. The undead who links the flame in Dark Souls 1 is the first undead to ever link the flame after gwyn, while in Dark Souls 3 all the lord's of cinder have linked the flame before.
"so instead of choosing an ending go live with Priscilla or something " THIS id take Quelaan the fair lady with me to the painted world of Ariamas Quelaan and Priscilla can become friends ...maybe...everyone needs a friend in this dark wretched place
“Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all.”
Funny thing is when I was proceeding to defeating Lord Gwyn, I skipped past the Black knights who were guarding the white light. After I defeated Lord Gwyn. I thought, before I light the fire. I should go and kill those remaining Black knights. I was unaware that if you leave the place, you get the Dark Lord ending. So, I accidently chose the Dark Lord ending and I feel happy about it, HAHA!
I think that letting the flame die even though it isn't exactly good, is possibly the only ending that grants a measure of hope. Allowing yourself to be consumed by the flame just seems to be a way to justify ng+ while ushering in an age of man is a bit more ambiguous and may or may not be a decision that actually spells doom for mankind. On a side note, humanity as we know it in the real world sprung from millennia of conflict, plague and darkness so perhaps the "bad" ended is in a sense giving a reference to that by saying that the darkness is inevitable but like a forest after it burns new life will eventually sprout from it's ashes. Idk, just a thought.
+HumanOddity69 Dark Souls II has the same endings with this theme a little more clear in its delivery. The player either renews the Age of Fire (which implies the first protagonist canonically did not), or walk away from the flame -- from the comfort of certainty at the cost of inevitable ruin promised by the gods -- and choose for the world a path unknown.
+Knight Artorias The Abysswalker the endings don't matter. if you won't light the fire then some other undead will. the ONLY ending that truly matters is walking away from the throne of want. you refuse both dark and light and try to find another path
Some Random Sun Bro Idk why it took two months for me to get notified about this comment but it has me intrigued to say the least. Are you saying that Dark Souls has a third ending? I was rocking NG+8 with two different characters back in the day and I never received even the slightest hint that a third outcome was even possible. Then again, I was an evil bastard in DS1 and I never ventured the path of the sun bro so it's more than possible that I missed the option completely. Please explain, the length of the comment doesn't matter, I just want the whole story.
Living with Priscilla.. while undeads with giant hearts for heads try to burn you alive and crows with tall human bodies try to eat you. She even called the place as peaceful.. Maybe it's referencing how everyone interprets a painting in their own way, or Priscilla is mad just like everyone else. And no, I don't know her lore at the moment.
It's most likely due to the fact that those beings treat her as one of them, as a part of the painting, like them. You are an intruder, something not from the painting, so they wanna shank you because of built up resentment from being sealed. Priscilla just gave you a chance to leave.
Gogito4 It seems kinda strange that she says that after you have killed all those creatures, gotten yourself through all that trouble just to hear that she just wants you to leave and tells you how. Why didn't she get you out of there right away? She knew you were there judging by what she is saying, so why did she do nothing? Is it due to the resentment as well? She's acting so illogically.
Arexion5293 She knew you were there? How? From our PoV she never left her tower. For all we know, she just saw you waltz in there and took her own actions.
Gogito4 Huh, maybe I remembered her dialogue wrong. Even then the entire place is quite questionable. Still.. I just wanted her scythe, so I killed her. And yet ironically I'm going to link the fire even if Gwyndolin is dead and the illusion of sun has vanished from Anor Londo. I'm doing as these desperate beings want me to do, these creatures living in denial. Only difference is that none of them will be there to lead the age of fire, since they don't deserve it. They had their chance and they messed up, it's someone else's turn to rule the age of fire. Or that's how I see it.
Arexion5293 Well, guess what, that probably only makes Gwynevere come back and love the hell out of the new Anor Londo. So you aren't doing what you set out to do at all.
I wanna say dark ending is the good ending cause it's the one I agree with more, but tbh, after a few new game cycles, the good ending is just hanging out at Firelink with the npcs or fighting other players eternally in Oolacile
Dark Souls leaves me with the same emotion I felt after finishing the Golden Age Arc of Berserk, hopelessness. I felt empty when I approached these endings and thats what made them so good because both Berserk and Dark Souls push the hopelessness feeling throughout the whole game/manga and their endings fit so well. Also these endings left me respecting the art and wanting more from them, truly amazing pieces of work.
Dark Souls endings are: self-sacrifice, entombing yourself while burning to death to prolong the Age of Light so people can have 'living human forms' a bit longer vs becoming a Lord and rule over the zombified humanity (humans' true form is the hollow form)
When I found out what the endings really were, I felt like some patsy who just ended up doing what some serpent wanted, played like a violin. Frampt and Kaathe need to come back in Dark Souls 2, and we better be able to either kill them or tell them to fuck off and do what we want
i heard a suggestion that your avatar becomes truly hollowed when the player gets bored of the game. maybe thats also the eternal darkness; when they stop playing
@@creepywalk4454 you're quite some years late mate, it's time for elden ring now, the dark souls series is long finished and all it's secrets are widespread now
@@creepywalk4454 well no need to worry, my comment was a stretch from the real state of things, just to make my little joke, so there's no real spoilers there. But I'm sure you'll understand once you reach that point in the story
@@Morbak546 yeahh it's fine dude, it's the dlc anyway. I was too hyped for ds1 i watched the endings without even defeating the capra demon, soooo... But yeah great series. I'll make sure to update u when i finished it😂😂
I think the best solution would be pack your bags and leave to another fantasy universe. Narnia's lovely this time of year, although Skyrim does have cheap accommodation....hmmm, choices.
My ideal ending is to had Solaire fight Gwyn with you. Survive the fight, then you leave him behind to absolve himself in the fire since he's always talking about finding his Sun. He buys your character a little more time to prepare for the what the Dark brings.
In the end, lets say most of us were not corrupted by the dark. We all just lived in Painted World avoiding Priscilla with her Lifehunt, the knight of Berenike (who had waaaaaay more sense than us), the crows, and zombified hollows. We just sat on the bench waiting to travel to Drangleic.
While I agree Kaathe's ending isn't what he says it will be, the residents of Oolacile were transformed in to those hideous beings by the Abyss, not the dark. I'm under the impression they're very different.
Specifically, Manus. The abyss of Oolacile is a rather different thing than the abyss you find under New Londo. It was Manus that basically made everyone else's Humanity go apeshit and turn them into monsters. Although it is heavily implied that Kaathe is the one that convinced the people of Oolacile to dig Manus back up.
MGlBlaze But think of the theories that the furtive pygmy became Manus. Was it not his soul that caused the corruption of man? If man is the dark soul, and the dark soul was created by what will destroy man, than will man simply destroy itself?
Well, consider a few things. Manus is known as the Father of the Abyss. He is largely believed to be the Furtive Pygmy, the one who found the Dark Soul and shattered it to found man. With this in mind, it is likely he kept a majority of the Dark Soul, causing him to become what he did. That being said, too much Humanity warps you into something sinister. The Abyss can be considered Humanity as an environment, but twisted. The Dark obviously is what held humanoids, as they hid within it, and only surfaced when Fire was created. So humanoids were able to survive just fine in the dark; it was Humanity from the Dark Soul's shattering that gave the possibility of something awful. So in the end, as the Dark Lord, whom Kaathe and the serpents answer to, you could lead the Age of Man in the dark, making sure that Humanity is an equal thing, so that humans do not become warped and die off by its worse self, the Abyss. But, your character likely can't piece these things together, so, hope that they have omniscience and can do the right thing by chance and let Man survive.
Okay but there is a chance for humans to prosper in the darkness. Oolacile was because Manus twisted the darkness to have it's malevolence affect the human. They pissed him off and disturbed his rest, he justifiably so enacted revenge. There has been no side to present the natural darkness just darkness twisted by entities residing in it. Manus messed up Oolacile with his abyss... So yeah I'm still for team Darkness, Age of Man all the way. Those would be gods are just GIANT jerks.
they changed because that is the effect of each Lord upon their kin, if something happens to the lord soul, it changes those connected to it, thats why the children of fire are demons, thats why giants are so fucking.... giant, and thats why the bloat heads can are so fucked up
the darkness is the opposite of the light, and at the same time, its power without what the light soul has, order, giants are perfect, they do not age, they're inclined to honor, they're inclined to honesty, they are mighty, and they do not change. humans are the opposite of all these things due to their dark soul, a little bit of it allows them to change and improve, but too much results in destruction. the only way to win as a human is to somehow shed your humanity, or die, being undead prevents both of these
Aj simons ... I think you may be giving the giants too much credit there. Smough is not someone I would consider inclined to honor or honesty. Neither would Gwyn given his complete ignorance of Seath the Scaleless' experiments. Ciaran was an asssassin right? Assassins immediately mean lying and subterfuge so again points towards dishonesty and lack of honor. Giant's do change and age, Gwynevere was not born that giant pin up doll she is in game if that is an actual representation of her, so she had to age/grow into that. Gwyndolin certainly is not very grand in his design. If the giants were perfect they would not be such pansies against the dark, they fleed with their tails inbetween their legs. Humans are not perfect either, but the giants are gone now in spite of their past glory. Time for humans to shine! Or not shine since it is supposedly the age of dark...
It's hilarious that this video ends with "So, instead of choosing an ending, just go and live with Priscilla or something"--because that's exactly what happens at the end of Dark Souls 3. We make a painted world with the pigment of the Dark Soul, living in a kind, cold world separate from the cycle of fire and dark and will never rot.
I accidentally ended the game and it turned itno NG. God dammit, I thought it was a bonfire and I didn't see "link the fire" fast enough. I haven't done DLC yet!
***** If I could see it faster I wouldn't go "OH BONFIRE I SIT" Oh wait I understand what you meant. Yeah I was screwed. :D God damn developers put a "warning, you are ending the game" sign!
Sardun You and me both, I had to defeat Manus in NG+ . . . . good luck, I defeated him alone, hollowed and naked. (yes I became a hobo in my quest to fucking kill the piece of shit)
dex5x I think the same thing. Also, there are many references to that being "The Abyss". I don't know about you but I feel like there's a difference between dark, and complete and utter emptiness where light can't even exist. In the Abyss there's no dark because there's no light, it's just nothingness. I do feel like the primordial serpents are using you for some purpose known only to them but I don't feel like the age after the Age of Fire is complete anathema to humanity. The way I look at my "Dark Lord" playthrough is I'm paving the way for a world ruled by humanity, no Gods, only man.
dex5x Darkness doesn't existed before the age of fire, but the world actually does, as it state on the intro, with fire comes light and dark, so with no fire there is no dark. However this doesn't mean we are going back to the times of the dragons, because the fire has changed everything, and the dragons are the majority dead. It's a new age without dragons nor gods, aka without ultrapowerful beast that can destroy you easily nor beings that watch over us as gods. It's just us alone i the world, that's the age of men, kinda like reaching adulthood.
humanity has a bad side. You just have to look in the real world, it's not a thing of the videogame. How many atrocities were done in history? Or even nowadays. Maybe you could find Manus in the old instalations of the concentration camp of Auswich
This is a good point...... but as is the truth of the matter with dark souls, most things are just pure speculation and we have little or no way of finding out the truth. In this game we make our own stories in how we play, and what we believe happens afterwards. Maybe dark souls 2 will change this but I doubt it, I dont think it will even mention any sort of 'canon' ending from the original and will just open up more speculation.
I have a small theory that suggest that both Frampt and Karth wanted the Age of Dark to come, since both proclaim to serve the Dark Lord in the end. Frampt may have revealed himself first to give the our character all of these promises and persuades you to link the fire, so that when Karth tells you its a lie, you feel more compelled to let the fire fade and become the Dark Lord.
if you link the fire though, your flames will keep the fire from ending for a LONG time and there is still time for another hero to come, time for things to be good for SOME time but if there is no way out of the circle of frampt (chosen comes, links the flame, flames begin to fade and the same continues) (assuming it goes like that) then there is the other choise: become the dark lord and let fire fade.....but wait a second! humans came from the dark/the dark soul, but if they need fire to be sane?!then if the flames fade all men will become mindless hollows and the world will be dark......BUT...if then the everlasting dragons come back ;)...see where im getting at....its all a big circle ,which also kind of supports the ng + stuff/ starting from the beginning....IF ANYONE HAD THE PATIENCE TO READ THIS, THEN HE/SHE IS AWESOME
The question now is : how did fire and life come to the world? its the same kind of question like how did the world get created, some say it was the god, some say it was the big bang( but there had to be a world already to blow up) so who knows? i think fromsoft thought like the opening stuff is a myth of a kind so......ahh i'm thinking too much...GG PRAISE THE SUN SEE YA LATER
+Deagle2751 How does that piss all over it? That's literally the entire deal with DS1 heroes coming from all across the world to lordran to fulfill the prophecy, the whole way through the game we see several powerful people lose their humanity and hollow trying to fight through the same path we do. The only difference in their story is they have to defeat the dark lord "Deagle2751"
What sealed my decision to just light the damned flame was the revelation of Kaathe's role in the brutal destruction of both New Londo and Oolacile. I still remember the first time I saw those piles of hundreds of hundreds of corpses in New Londo, once you drain the water. No way was I listening to or aiding anyone who had a hand in that. 🤷♂️
Ending of the chosen undead known as FredFucks: FredFucks and his Sunbro Solaire take down Gwyn, Lord of Getting Parried. We take the flame, and push it somewhere else, solving any and all problems any sentient creature may face. The End
Imo. the Abyss isn't Dark, its the complete absence of Light or Dark. The Abyss was caused by he corruption of the Light soul by Gwyn splitting it the way he did for selfish reasons; because he feared the Dark Lord who would one day kill him and end his age of Fire. Manus is the personification of that corruption and fear that Gwyn held. So, again imo, ushering in the age of man with the "Dark" ending wouldn't cause another Oolacile, since the Dark soul did not create the abyss or the creatures that existed as a result.
But the complete absence of Light or Dark is what the world was in the beginning, when the everlasting dragons ruled. Nothing like the Abyss. Elizabeth even says that Artorias was consumed by Dark since, as an adherent of Gwyn and the Light, he had not a trace of Dark in him. The Abyss first came about when the Four Kings (humans) succumbed to the lust for power, much in the same vein as the Dark Lord ending. The pattern repeats in Oolacile, where Manus (the first human, and creator of humanity by means of splitting the Dark Soul) imposes a reign of Dark through humanity and thereby spreads the Abyss once more. Even the corrupted Artorias's Abyss Greatsword scales with humanity. When humanity embraces the Dark, the Abyss inevitably ensues.
GodzillaGuy92 this is why I love the writing in this game because you can talk about it for hours. I always thought of the everlasting dragons as a perfect balance between light and dark (with no decay or death but no progress or life) and the first flame upset that balance by concentrating the power of light, dark, life and death into individuals who could be corrupted and who could die. I may be wrong and again this is just how I read it, but Elizabeth said Artorias failed because he didn't have any Dark in him; but she never said he fell to Dark. Its as if being both Light and Dark protects you somehow. I'm also not convinced that Manus is the pygmy, though a lot of my friends are convinced that he is.
chiip90 As far as Elizabeth goes, the exact quote is "Knight Artorias came to stop this, but such a hero has nary a murmur of Dark. Without doubt he will be swallowed by the Abyss, overcome by its utter blackness. Indeed, the Abyss may be unstoppable." So in short, Abyss="utter blackness"=Dark, and even if Manus isn't the Furtive Pygmy himself, he's still a human who begat the Abyss by means of humanity embracing the Dark. Humanity is necessary for the Abyss to occur, which is why the Chosen Undead, as a human containing both Light and Dark, can't simply be corrupted as Artorias was. Elizabeth's last line is perhaps the most telling. As is discussed in this video, the advent of the Age of Dark is inevitable, whether the Chosen Undead chooses to postpone it or bring it about himself. Elizabeth expresses the same sentiment about the Abyss (which, again, is characterized as pure darkness). Kaathe, who wants the Age of Dark to begin, even dwells in the Abyss. The Age of Dark _is_ the spread of the Abyss over the entire world.
GodzillaGuy92 Its about human nature. Too much dark and you become Manus seeking to gain power without a care for anyone or anything else. But an absence of dark and you become Gwyn, desperately trying to hold on to power at the cost of everything he once held dear. I still don't believe the Abyss is inherently Dark as it seems to corrupt individuals from both ends of the spectrum. So excited for the new game, maybe we'll learn more.
chiip90 something we should pay attention to is the dark magic if you look at pursuers or they seem to be the same material as both the spells manus cast and the dark magic does hurt humans, second I believe without a doubt manus is the furtive pygmy, manus the name is the irish form of magnus which means "great" the name Magnus became popular in Scandinavia after the time of the 11th-century Norwegian king Magnus I, who was said to have been named after Charlemagne is From Old French Charles le Magne meaning "CHARLES the Great". and Charles means "man" or possibly but probably not "army/warrior" so the end result is "great man" not convinced? manus= man us
“Go live with Priscilla or something” That is eerily similar to how dark souls actually ends, with a painted world being created by a girl who looks a little bit like Priscilla
Now here is my question. Let's say that Frampt isn't lying to you and that the undead curse will end, at least temporarily. Why would you want it to end? If anything being undead is the one thing that has given you purpose. You were only able to kill demons and gods because you had nothing to lose if you were killed, you would just come back. It's the only thing that gave you power in a world of suffering. And if you truly are the most powerful undead, would you not wish to share the joys of being undead with the rest of humanity, as the Dark Lord?
The world despises the undead. Think of it like immortality, sure it is cool for the first few years or maybe even a century. But after you experience everything, you begin to want more and more. Soon the adventures and spoils are not enough to satisfy you. All that ends up happening is seeing the things you love/enjoy just disappear around you. That whole premise is what going hollowed. Life ceases to have meaning because there is no end, you simple become crestfallen. There is no guarantee the Dark Lord ending would see the curse spread to other humans or even if they would want that. Humans value death as much as they value life, to the point where the Undead is classified as a disease/curse. It is not about challenging Gods and Demons. It is about having a purpose in life, if there is no end to life then what exactly is life's purpose? Just simply move on?
I'll have you know that the miss merchant couldn't be happier as an undead. Everyone else is crying and wheezing because they're being killed by demons over and over again, with virtually no protection from non undead or the lords. As the dark lord, the CU could protect the undead as a new leader, teach them to expand and take joy in their "curse." Of course there is nothing for the undead to do now, because they've been shoved in asylums and been branded as monsters by scared humans. Besides, if they really want to die so bad, they can just go hollow. You'd think that they wouldn't be able to die as hollows, but lore heavily suggests they actually can.
I actually like this response. Dark Souls is a really open to interpretation game, so you are welcome to your interpretation. I do not agree with it as I feel there are other lands other than lordran who would not agree with this and fight back. I see that there are undead who enjoy it but I feel as a whole humans would not. There are whole orders that would fight to their last breath, Way of the White anyone?Simply coddling the people turned undead does not take away my point that sooner or later the immortality factor of being undead would sour and people would become less enchanted with it. Simply going hollow does not take away from the point that people are losing their will/reason to live. There would be no meaning in death the people are dehumanized as they feel death is a critical part of it. Even so, the dark lord ending supposedly ends the curse correct? If anything I feel it would because it is heralded as the age of Man. Humans time to shine in the darkness not undead.
Yeah, I suppose you do have a good point there. Obviously the world outside of Lordran would defiantly be concerned with someone who is not only letting the dark come, but is trying to spread the undead curse. And after a while, even if they do believe that being undead is great, people will most likely be bored with immortality. Your interpretation makes sense, but I still like to think that a lot of the hatred for the curse is more spawned by general fear of the unknown, and groups like the Way of White symbolizing that fear.
***** HAH! That could be an allegory for so many things. I love this game and the discussions it spawns. More often than not the tragedy are people spewing hate for things they simply cannot understand or worse, choose not too. Fingers crossed we get more hints in Dark Souls II. But anyone reading this... please no spoilers. :D I liked this discussion, I hope you get some more hints in Dark Souls II as you could very well be right.
if you think about it further, the undead only survive in their accursed world through a purpose or ideal they strive towards. Taking the dark path would, theoretically, cause you to lose your purpose and go hollow. Perhaps Kaarthe knew this, and decided to use you to further his own agenda, which I assume is to end the reign of Gods. For of course, Kaarthe is of the old age, there was no place for him in the new age. As his resentment grew at the change of power, a pygmy presented him an idea. Protect my soul, the Dark Soul, and the era of Gods will come to an end. And so Kaarthe agreed and hid the pygmy from the eyes of the Gods. However, Kaarthe only works for his own agenda and so plotted on his own to prevent the turning of age to become Men. As he brooded on this idea, he noticed how the souls of humanity were drawn to the bonfires that lit the world. If only I could create a permanent link, force a connection to the dying light of the fires, he thinks. For if the fires are dying, what will happen when you require them. So he went to the source of humanity, the pygmy, and murdered him (remember, we never knew what happened to him). Suddenly he has the source soul. He takes that soul and he places it in the first flame. Do you notice how the flame is completely dark when you first enter? How then, are your bonfires still lit. For of course, the bonfires are false. They are not alight with the first flame, but rather the first human soul. That is why your bonfire is your home, why you cannot die and why using humanity strengthens your bonfire. Notice how Gwyn instantly attacks you the second you enter the area, not when you near him or the bonfire. Hollows are reactive, not proactive. Notice how hollows change from reactive to proactive after an encounter? They'll attack you even if you've ran far away, whereas their first meeting needs closer proximity. This suggests that someone else has entered Gwyn's area before, say, Kaarthe? I don't know guys, I just thought it'd be interesting to share my random theory. Also, going by this theory, kindling the flame could save, or destroy humanity. You rekindling the first flame would either destroy the original human soul and break your undead link to the bonfires, or strengthen the original human soul and reinforce the undead brand. Or perhaps kindling the flame would do nothing at all. Any way you look at it, neither way wins. To be honest, I believe their is a hidden agenda in dark souls. All the undead have missions, purposes, reasons for existence. All the undead go hollow when their missions, purposes or reasons to exist dissipate. All. There is no differences, is this truly co-incidence? Why does the Way of the White believe its a curse? If it was for a shallow reason such as simply refusing to acknowledge different, the noble girl would never have been sent on her undead mission. Why is Gwyndolin constantly attempting to make anor londo appear to be the same? TO pretend the era of God continues? yet he has a covenant that seeks out evil doers, one such as that would not hide in false ideals. A lot of things don't add up in this game, and I believe it is not because they are not there but because we simply never looked. I mean, have any of us even considered the possibility that everyone's being manipulated? Why are we assuming their are only 4 souls created, because the beginning told us? Light, Dark, Death, Life. For all light there is Dark, with life comes Death. Seems like four souls to anyone thinking of it, and yet. The Dragons existed on a plane of grey, an existence of neither light nor dark, death nor life. Simply, an existence. Why are we assuming that this in itself is not a soul. The Grey soul, the neutral soul. Neither light nor dark, life nor death, the only soul that would wish for the old era. Alright, It's late so I should stop before I go even madder. I still believe their is a hidden agenda in here though, a manipulation of all of us.
Linking the flame is a pretty good metaphor for the human struggle. Constant battle to survive, and against evil, darkness, etc. Our progressed is paved with the bones of our fore fathers. Sure it's grim to be the one sacrificing yourself, but you're giving a whole new generation of life to exist, good or bad. It beats nothing.
Only this ending is just an extension of the meaningless cycle. This ending only leads to the re-devastation of entire continents in a meaningless cycle that is contrary to the natural path.
it'd be cool if in NG+, the game would save your character when you first kill Gwyn, so you could fight yourself. then again, too much parrying and Havel's.
I like to believe that, by sacrificing myself as fuel, I gave the Gods a long time to find a solution to their problem (For what it's worth, I annihilated Gwyn on my first try, somehow.) I like to believe that somehow, the gods found their answer, the Darksign was no longer needed, and my sacrifice ushered in a new age of peace. Granted this is Dark Souls so it's more than likely I just became some faceless hero to be slain by the next "Chosen Undead" when my body faded. But hey, at least I went out praising the sun.
Problem being is, thats exactly what the gods want you to believe, that your going to sacrifice yourself for the greater good. You want the solution to the undead curse? End the age of fire, since it was caused by Gwyn UNNATURALLY prolonging the age of fire.
You would be onto something if this were a Western game, but Snakes have a different meaning in Japanese culture, though From could easily take inspiration from Western mythology in how the serpents are perceived (Loki figures). Dark Souls has characteristics of a Western RPG, in it's visual aesthetic especially, but at it's core it's still a Japanese game. Fire, for example, is at the core of Dark Souls and is a powerful symbol in the original Japanese creation myth.
bizmonkey007 I don't think it matter that much, they could have borrowed the idea from anywhere as you stated. Dark Souls brings some big array of influences on it's lore. You'd think if they were going to be 100% japanese the characters would at least know how to correctly hold a katana xD
I always thought The Abyss was a corrupted form of the darkness and the reason people became corrupted by it was because there was too much of it being held in one small town.
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The painted world seems like a nice place to live. I've heard the land is peaceful, its inhabitants kind.
Priscilla will make it worth! :
the spear implements are the best c:
Have you seen the basement? I feel like Priscilla lied just a little...
+Itachi Uchiha cringe
Frarlic gies You're a weak bitch then.
True ending:
- Ask Priscilla on a date
- Try to speak to Quelaag instead of killing her
- farm baby skeletons humanities and feed them to the Fair Lady
- Save Solaire and Siegmeyer
- Save the Bonfire Keeper in Firelink Shrine
- Adopt Sif
- Have a nice bbq every Sunday afternoon and use Frampts flooded altar as a pool for the kids
Yeah, the Old Witch's Ring really should have allowed you to skip the Quelaag fight. Also, the humanity phantoms in Manus's lair have the highest humanity drop rate.
But doesn't saving Siegmeyer end in him being hollowed? Would it be better to let him die with his humanity? (Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't had a chance to play any Dark Souls game except 3)
This needs to happen.
@@VistilShaiteth nope, if you kill the weird enemy vacuum things in Lost Izalith before talking to him then talking to him he’ll actually get to survive
You have me agreeing when you said ask priscilla on a date. Everyones favorite dragon waifu❤.
I didn't even realize that I had a choice. I just wanted to light the bonfire and boom, ending cutscene:/
I thought i got the power of the flame, like how gwyn's sword was on fire... and how i was in no pain.
Frampt and the others said i would "inherit" and link the flame once again, i assumed i took the lordsoul within me much like gwyn and the others did when they first found it. Not sacrificing myself as fuel for it like gwyn desperately did eventually.
Same apart from I got the 'bad ending' by mistake. I wanted to explore the area before lighting the bonfire, went too close to the stairs
I havent even seen the bonfire and was searching the wall for an exit. and so i got the dark ending :/
Vexi Tectonix It was in the middle of the area
The best ending is agreeing to help Frampt them simply turning towards the Dark completely by accident (because I didn't know where to go besides back through the door), suddenly being worshipped by a bunch of ugly serpents.
My ending.
Oh yes. The same happened to me. Never meet other snake
@@sychuan3729 is it because you killed gwyndolin before going to the abyss ? It happenned to me as well...
@@elbermax2631 Nope. I never meet Gwyndolin. Actually I went to Abyss almost in the end of game. I killed knights in Abyss and after that I went to kill Gwyn
same, I just wanted to see what the orange stamps were saying outside the door and boom the dark ending cutscene. I am still salty...
@@denizkubilay3937 you got the better ending
Chosen undead: "PRISCILLA DEAR! I made is breakfast."
Priscilla: "Thou must returneth whence thou came.."
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Sounds about right
PRAISE THE tail
Praise the Fluffytail!
The true ending is turning Sif into your pet and just chill with Priscilla. Maybe bring Quelaag's Sister and Ciaran along.
You know, I have a thing for the Darkmoon Knightess, let's take her as well and then we'll be set.
What about our dear sunbroo?
sunbromance
What about trapfu?
You have a think for waifus
Gwyn: i will use my soul to defeat the dragons
Witch of izalith: i will use my soul to try to recreate the first flame
Furtive Pygmy: i will use my soul to make humanities and an age of dark
Nito: ima just chill in my tomb
In other words, Nito is the smart one
Witch Of Izalith: "My goodness, what an idea! Why didn't I think of that?"
Welcome to the bone zone
@@inquisitionagent9052 it's cool to see I'm not the only one with a name for the trunk of my car
@@jacobl6714 lmao
Me choosing the Dark Ending: “Well everything’s fucked regardless in this universe so I might as well enjoy high status.”
Sigma grindset ending
Dark Souls 1: No good endings
Dark Souls 2: Your choices don't matter / screw the choice, I choose FREEDOM
Dark Souls 3: Keep the fire (choose the rot), become Griffith, or let the world begin its natural course into the next age. One ignorant (bad) ending, one questionable (evil) ending, one good ending.
@@OtepRalloma but the thing with the dark ending is that ds is a big loop. If you let the fire fade it stars again and the whole cycle of despair continues. The best ending is the usurpation because it (hopefully) breaks the cycle and lets humans or hollows, which are the true form of humanity, live without the gods being huge jerks.
@@chlopaczekhula3524 If you let the fire fade, you let a fresh fire start some time in the future. The problem isn't the fire. The problem is they never let it go out. It's like making a new painting.
The Usurpation ending feels like the dark version of Gwyn's sin-an endless age of dark. It'll just lead to rot again.
@@OtepRalloma ok actually that’s smart. Gonna have to take back my statement on this one
The Dark ending is the bad ending because now you have to put up with Frampt's ungodly chewing sounds for the rest of your life as the Dark Lord. Several weeks of lunch breaks with a dozen frampts will make you wished you linked the flame. GOOD JOB.
LMAO 10/10
Positive of living with Frampt he has a nice voice and that's it
his breath is lethal
I can't wear headphones around those fucking snakes. Their damn teeth sound like horse hooves and something crunchy. I hate them.
WTF is he chewing anyways?!?!
Which ending is the "good ending"?
Vaati: No.
Everything ends, and it's always sad
Don't end it, make a new start with Priscilla.
@@fendysusanto876 But everything begins again and that's always happy.
@@aisnota5192 like i said make new beginning with Priscilla
@@fendysusanto876 You cannot.
@@aisnota5192 who decide that?
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I kindled the First Flame because I wanted to level up, and I didn't know the game was over.
looooool
Rirst thing anyone does who does not know the story
What do you know? It's only there for those who look, and I was blind as a bat.
Alexander Novara same happened to me
I saw i got 50 thousand souls so the that was the first thing I did. I had no idea I was given a choice of endings haha
The true canon ending is losing Frampt by jumping down and placing the lordvessel yourself because he wouldn't wake up. Never meeting Kaathe due to nopeing out of the abyss after Four Kings followed by linking the flame accidentally because you assume it's another bonfire.
THIS HAPPENED TO ME.
Happened to me too. Couldn't agree more. First time noobishness. NG+ will go better I hope.
I didn’t see Kaathe in the abyss lmao
This describes everything I did except for jumping down alone, i accidentally noped out of the abyss without seeing Kaathe and absolutely linked the flame by instinctively trying to rest at the bonfire. lol
@@theegreenoneyou can see him only if you never talk to Frampt. The 4 Kings is the only lord you can defeat before placing the lord vessel in his place
Wow, these games are just bundles of sunshine, aren't they?
+Asher Flanagan Emphasis on *Dark* in Dark Souls.
Asher Flanagan cant you feel the sunshine? does it brighten up your day
Asher Flanagan yes the makers did definitely praise the sun ☀
You ain't praisin' hard enough
Oh, also, even the path I suggest above might not guarantee that the world of Dark Souls would get back on track properly. There may be no good solution, or there may only be solutions that help some, but are detrimental to others.
Can I take Sif to go live with Priscilla? Cause if so, I'm down.
This should be the ending
Take Artorias and Oscar as guards of your house.
+Rex Box Solaire should come to, after all, you need a drinking buddy.
This thread just made my day.
If we're bringing Artorias then we have to bring Ciaraan.
I just went to the place where the crestfallen dude sat in and took his place.
***** But but . . . Priscilla waifu.
winterwolf211
look man if he wants to hand out estus flask to new characters on NG while talking about bells in a flooded room, let him.
Jalenleegamer But the crestfallen doesnt give estus flasks D; That was Oscar.
winterwolf211
ah, thought he ment Oscar.
why is there always a crestfallen guy anyway?
Jalenleegamer It represents a failed you in an alternate dimension ;-;
Funny how 5 years ago you said at the end - "Instead of choosing an ending go live with Priscilla or something". I know it was a joke, but it's nice and coincidental that the end-ending of the souls series involves you taking the dark soul to the painting woman, so refuge can be taken within a painted world from the real world's end.
Sadly i think that even that ending is not "perfect" a new painting is a new world, as the previous ones (Ariamis and Ariandel) were slowly taken by the rot, i think this one too will inevitably rot and the cycle continues
@Tig Black The biggest theme of Dark Souls as a story is that everything rots.
@@meathir4921 that's kinda why they had a positive ending for DS3. DS1 is way more depressing than the other souls games (there's literally not one net positive outcome in the entire game, NPCs included) and DS2 and DS3 kinda reverse that. DS2's ending is just straight up good for the character and a journey that we actually triumph in on our own terms and DS3 base's "canon" ending is probably letting the dark set in through the fire keeper and not Yuria, which also ends on a hopeful note. Thus the DLC ending is also positive, because first off there's nothing to indicate otherwise, and secondly the "everything will fade" theme of DS1 stayed there, in DS1. 2 and 3 had themes and endings with atleast some positive outcomes (DS2 finally sees you freed from the curse and hope that there's freedom from the cycle, DS3 base game finally ushers in an age of dark unmarred by Kaathe and the Abyss, with firekeeper saying there's hope for the future, and DS3 dlc ending in a note where there starts a new world that will be free of war and decay. DS1 just has primordial serpents manipulating you and you become an unknown with no glory, both in the base game as subsequent games don't mention the chosen undead at all meaning Frampt probably snuffed out all proof of our existence, and all NPCs end up hollow or dead). DS3 DLC literally is built around hope, as seen by patches's quest, which exemplifies the spirit of that DLC and the game as a whole; everything might not be fucked.
@@bruschetta7711 That's why the girl wanted the remnant of the dark soul for the painting, it will make the painting avoid rot
Congratulations! You've done it! You beat the game! And nothing you've done matters!
***** your profile pic :) lol, yeah im dissapointed it didn't matter in dark souls 2 :(
matt mutchler well, the 'link the fire' ending is the one that leads to darks souls 2
Dan G I think the more common interpretation is that it doesn't matter if you link the fire or don't. If you don't, someone else one day will come along and link it. Especially since the four "big bads" (lord souls aka great souls) are already out of the way. All it takes is an undead to just link it and bring back an age of fire, at the cost of their own sacrifice.
It's worth noting though, that the age of fire changes length depending on who sacrifices themselves. Chosen undead from DS1 would certainly be a much larger amount of fuel, but the cycle continues no matter what.
As far as DS2 is concerned, either ending from DS1 will still lead to that. It's a cycle that no one's yet broken. If there's ever a DS3, I think breaking that cycle would be a good goal.
Dan G So the sucker ending is canon? :(
Hugh Jass well, as goatmeal said, I guess someone else could come in and link the fire since the doors are wide open and all the boss's are dead. I hadn't considered that myself.
*AH, SO THIS IS TRUE HUMAN NATURE.*
Love your name.
Me:Nigga wat
You can't fight nature, Jack. Wind blows, rain falls, and the strong prey upon the weak.
an angry undead with a great sword named Gatsu
*PIQUE HUMAN EVOLUTION*
I'll just keep invading another's world, and steal their humanity to feed to The Fair Lady.
Lord's Blade Ciaran I like Queelag's sister she seems like such a nice character. You can't use the dark red orb when you're a Chaos Servant or call yourself a Darkwraith though :( You'll have to settle with ghetto cracked red orbs which, while the same except for being consumable don't have the same feel as using a proper red orb.
You also get really cool armor for upgrading to +2 in the Darkwraith covenant. I have the feeling that everyone and their grandma equips the Darkwraith helmet with the spiked armor set. Can't blame them, it's a really cool looking combo.
Hugh Jass grandmas really likes skull helmets and skipes
alright, kirk.
+Lord's Blade Ciaran I'd do the same, but I usually take them with a Dark Hand and let Kaathe bathe in them.
Congrats. You are now Slave Knight Gael.
" _So just go live with Pricilla or something_ "
I fucking love this guy
" So instead of choosing an ending just... go and live with Priscilla or something... " XD killed me
LezOrg cuddles and lewd cuddles. Best things in the world. And you get them forevery
Who needs sex when you can get the best cuddles in the world?
@@HYDESDM Too bad replies can't get top comment
VaatiVidya:But do you think he was telling the whole truth
Me: Hell fucking no
did you not see his fucking face
he kinda was like I swear I am telling the truth also don't look at my I am definitely lying smile oke
he kinda was like I swear I am telling the truth also don't look at my I am definitely lying smile oke
find the sunlight solaire's looking for and you'll get the true ending
+Obaidskinsoft By your hand expose their heart, by my edge cleave it beating from it's nest.
(e) oops didn't read carry on.
Cryptica2 but the shadow stalker doesn't care about the tenno
Bite The Bullet whaat? he literally ONLY cares about the tenno. the entire plot of the quest was that the stalker was hunting the Tenno and you had to find your tenno before he killed it/you.
Mr. Vulcanator Best line in the game
What I find to be one of the most glaring and overlooked details is the fact that the flame came from the darkness to begin with.
Let the fire die.
It will come again.
So, rather than keep the existing one alive, kill it so it respawns? If that's how it goes then both ending are the exact same, maybe a few more years for dark ending but pretty much the same
@@daifuku75 obviously both are not the same as seen in DS3.
Imagine the end of our Universe.
You face two choices;
1. It just keeps going but nothin new grows and all else just crumbles to dust.
2. It all ends so that it can begin again with fresh new energy.
That’s the choice.
One is stagnation, the other is renewal.
*runs around Lordrian gathering NPCs -Lautrec*
*Cuts down Dark root*
*Throws all NPCs into Painted world*
*Kill/Imprison all enemies*
*Rebuild town*
*Live happy and peaceful lives in Painted world*
yes.
neoaustin164 And then the painted world begins to rot away and becomes home to more terrible and less than happy folk that will try to kill you. Thus will begin the quest to create a new painted world which will more than likely cause blood to shed.
@@connorclemmons8698 still better than anything dark souls 2 had to offer :'D
@Marek Tužák Well yes but actualy no.
Dark Souls 2 is in itself not a bad game, it is, i would argue, still one of the best games i played, however it is quite bad for a dark souls game. it feels less responsive, there is overall more uninteresting enemy design, the world is less interesting and less interconnected, the game is alao hard for the wrong reasons, since there are enemys that just hit you whereever you stand, while they made blocking less vialble overall. the story is also somehow less catching, but that might be my prefference... overall, it is a good game, but a bad dark souls game
Kill petrus too
Actually there is a canon 'good' ending.
From Software confirmed that if you save Solaire and have him summoned for the Gwyn fight, then walk away from the fire with Solaire still alive, then sunbro links the fire in your place.
Solaire's burning passion for light and the sun keep the first flame burning near indefinitely, while the Chosen Undead uses the power of the Dark Soul to cancel out the worst of the flame's brightness, stopping what would be the oppression of a new regime of gods. Just as death keeps life in check and renews it, so does the darkness mitigate and refresh this new and lasting light, and so Lordran is finally made whole again and the undead curse dissipates.
Though... In Lordran, the flow of time is distorted. The flow of time itself is convoluted; with heroes centuries old phasing in and out... And in another world, Solaire goes mad, and is slain. In another world, the Chosen Undead links the flame themselves, and the curse persists.
In another world, the linking of the fire causes souls to flourish anew, and the souls of lords find their new homes. In another world, another chosen undead awakens, and begins his pilgrimage, seeking larger and more powerful souls to undo his curse. In another world, he collects the souls of lords, and upon them he builds a great kingdom, as he tries to end his curse. ...And he falls. And another undead is chosen to link the flame in his place.
Welcome to Drangleic.
Where have they confirmed this "canon" good ending?
Then.... I guess I got the bad ending. Because I decided to ignore both serpents and dedicated the rest of eternity to caring for the fair lady ;w; I'm such a monster... I-I've surely saved her by now...
From Software... Where is Spidersis? I saved her. Please tell me where she is. I want to show her all the work I did. I made her sister's soul into a weapon with which to harvest humanity. I braved the humanity sprites in the abyss over and over for her. I have used what must be hundreds of red eye orbs harvesting humanity. When does she get better? ;w;
Where is the ending for those of us who choose to stay with our waifus?
You need only look to Invader: Kirk, Knight of Thorns.
This is your fate, chosen undead.
Darasilverdragon mhmm ;w;
beware! for the new kirk is a dexromancer who does the really annoying curved sword R1 spam and is decent at parrying!
Isn't there a way to get the fire keeper's soul and then use it to prevent hollowing? If so, would this not be perfect indefinite fuel for the first flame? Combine with Solair's timeline where he doesn't go mad and you have a double pact of theoretically infinite fire. Solair becomes the fire and can't go hollow so sun bro is pretty much and immortal god. Granted, I've never finished the game due to what seems to be fate conspiring IRL to prevent me from playing but despite that, the plan seems sound. The dark would forever be counter balanced by the pure soul of a fire keeper and the will of a sun god not to mention the efforts of what could possibly be his friend of the light.
Gwen should have just soul glitched the fuck out of some boss souls and fed the flame :D
+LoveMeSomeCake Gwyn should have done the gaping dragon skip for all dragons
Dylan Samuel yes
+Jonah Skiff I assume he means where you use the master key to skip the depths and go straight to Blighttown through New Londo. Or I'm just completely wrong, that's an option :P
yeah the pach that fixes this was not out at the time.....
C'mon Gwyn use the the glitch!! XD
its unpatched still for xbox
"That's dumb, you're dumb." -Other Snake that isn't framp
“I’m gonna find some more dudes to burn” -Other snake that isn’t Kaathe
“You know what you guys need…?”
@@PhosphoricKnight "To feed on the humanity of the primordial man, Manus!"
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem"you know what you guys need?...to feed on the humanity of other humans!"
"Long ago, the people of Oolacile lived in harmony. Then, everything changed when the darkness attacked"
Michael Houston You mean when they dug up Manus and viciously tortured him and thus getting really messed up.
Avatar :D
+Michael Houston *Fire Nation
+Doktor Skeletor yes, just like kaathe told them to
El Castro Should've built a wall and made Oocacile great again.
"If you aid them they decide that humans aren't bad afterall. If you sleight them, then they treat you with their built up resentment."
"AAAAAAAAAAGH! SO THIS IS TRUE HUMAN NATURE!!!!"
*_proceeds to beating you to a pulp_*
Nice
Wasn't expecting you to be here.
Dark Souls -> Light Ending -> Age of Fire continues -> Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls -> Dark Ending -> Age of the Dark starts -> Bloodborne
not bad
Thank you. It's a theory I developed after noticing the similarities in look shared by the Abyss-warped humans of Oolacile in Dark Souls and the Great Ones in Bloodborne, the former being the newborn form of the latter. Also, given that the Abyss has no bonfire network of its own, it's very likely that its influence couldn't spread all over the globe equally, meaning the Bloodborne humans could be the descendants of the Dark Souls ones that lived the farthest from Lordran at the time the First Flame died out.
i havent finished dark souls so i havent visited oolacile yet, but i have completed bloodbourne, so i will compare them, when i will finish dark souls
Remember it's not an exact resemblance, it's more like comparing a homemade halloween costume to a real monster.
It's a good idea but I always thought its more like:
Dark Souls -> Light Ending -> Age of Fire continues -> several cycles later -> Dark Souls 2
*OR*
Dark Souls -> Dark Ending -> Age of the Dark starts -> someone lights it up again -> several cycles later -> Dark Souls 2
*THEN*
Dark Souls 2 -> King Ending -> Age of Fire continues -> several cycles later -> Dark Souls 3
Dark Souls 2 -> Walk away Ending -> Age of the Dark starts -> several cycles later -> Dark Souls 3
*AND IF* Bloodborne is in the same universe but different time period ( i mean, Chester must have come from somewhere, right?) then it takes place manymanymanymany.... cycles after DS3.
I think that one of the main ideas in DS universe this crushing realisation of utter pointlessness of any struggle, since everything is destined to repeat, and you can either keep the current age running a little more, or you can start the next one. It doesn't matter since its a cycle anyway.
I will point out that in oolacile, it was the abyss, not the dark, that caused the transformation in the populace.
The abyss is shown to be a malevolent force, Artorias's state is proof enough of that, but that doesnt mean the dark is the same
Given that the Abyss is filled with Humanity Sprites I think you missed the point. Also note the Darksign; a ring of fire containing the Dark.
@@meathir4921 All that means is that abyss is strongly related to humanity, not that it's humanity itself. Manus was an ancient human ancestor who got graverobbed and went mad. If they just left him alone there wouldn't have been any abyss at all.
@@jacobnorris8256 Not what I meant, I mean the humanity sprites AREN’T malevolent
"The meaningless choices along the way"
*Mass Effect*
+Joker
We're kinda overdue to get over ME3.
And the last few choices really, _really_ matter.
+Beretta249 In really shitty way, i would be rather kicked in the balls for 100 times. Just saying...
haha haha haha ah ah ah no
... *3
+Beretta249
matter how?
just go live with dragon lady with scythe
How do you not know the universal waifu's name
priscilla is my waifu
yes, lets just stay with Priscilla, my waifu
I rather my DkS 2 waifu, the emerald herald
Doktor Skeletor it's a dream boy, and the doll's not fuckable
Kal Kuma Or is it?
Doktor Skeletor
doutorbin Loomanaty confirmed
"Just go live with Priscilla or something"
Just go live in the painted world...
Nice future seeing skills Vaati
The real bad ending is when you level dex.
Says the guy who probably specced into strength and vitality.
Soz golden tracer and halberd bro.
Soz you weren't the first guy.
Knight Lautrec I would if I used a controller.
Knight Lautrec here's your real ending. Beat the game with a mouse and keyboard, then come back to me. I'm sure you'll have a totally different appreciation for halberd tactics.
I always go with Dark ending cuz it has better music, lol
same
TRUEEEE
Well its the light and dark what make hollows the abyss is not dark and light and hollow he is a begining but i prefer to be a abyssal human with no dark and light conflict and no mind and soul breakdown what is the hollow abyss is just a nature form to prevent this vicious cycle that is light the good and dark the dumber poor soul better than be a villian i am human abyssal with no light that dark uses the knowledge of light to corruption of the abyss and light the goodness and abyss life with no dark and light
plin plin plon
But every time you talk to her she's gonna be like, "You don't belong here. Please go, the inhabitants are peaceful." It's gonna be awkward :/
I love how with that last line "go and live with Priscilla or something" he basically predicted how the dark souls series would end.
That's exactly what happens when arya creates a painted world from the dark soul for humans to live in, free of the fire linking curse
The corruption at Oolacile wasn't just "darkness" though, it was Manus and The Abyss, not exactly the same thing.
+Jake Dubusker the abyss was the primitive form of the darkness, when humanity was thriving.
Dark is connected to Man, and also Humanity.
Well, it is clear that the Abyss is borm from Humanity, from the First Man.
Its not born from the humanity, per se. It might be the darker version of humanity, maybe?
Ghost Ranger Or simply it most "real" version.
Could be anything
How about...instead of choosing an ending, I'll just take care of Quelaag's sister and be a good person.
Basically Kirk in a nutshell.
The "Becoming the Darklord" ending won't end up in another Oolacile. Humans are born from the dark, but unwillingly adopted the light because of Gwyn's sacrifice. The light and the dark inside the humans struggle and end up destroying each other, so they become hollow. Letting the flame fade means that the light inside humanity dies, thus returning to their dark nature. Oolacile was like that because the humanity of Manus became wild, uncontrolable. If we can control all the Dark Soul we can be as powerful as Gwyn, we could be his oposite. That's what Kaathe is trying to do, make a true human that can embrace the hole Dark Soul, becoming as powerful as any of the Four Lords. Why does he want that is another tale.
And abyss and darkness are different from each other
+Fukuro - Pierce the Heavens The Oolacile situation is because of Manus going wild yes , but Kaathe instructs the people of Oolacile to make him go mad. Kaathe is not trying to make humans as powerfull as the lords or anything , he is manipulating you just like Frampt.
+Fukuro - Pierce the Heavens Could anyone be powerful enough to control it? There are so awful endings in fiction and reality alike where it all goes to shit when someone says "Yeah this will be so useful" followed by "No! I cant control it its too powerful" as they die horribly. That said im not sure how shit the world will be in the age of dark but supposedly dark souls 3 is going to be set on it. Maybe we'll learn about that part of history and make new meaning for how dark the dark age is?
+Kali Mah
Yeah. Despite being so interesting to make theories, I think that before we keep speculating we should let a few months for everyone to finish Dark Souls 3 (including myself). That way, after the information is complete we'll see how many answers we got.
!
Option 3: save Solaire, the True Sun, bring him to the fight with Gwyn, and then have him ignite the flame, and it will never ever go out.
\[T]/ Praise the Sun!
"By fighting against the inevitable, we carve meaning from meaninglessness."
Worth a shot. :P
Well according to The Scholar of First Sin, he said humans are actually creatures of darkness and we only have this form because the Gods of Light feared the darkness. So I think the serpent is telling the truth afterall.
+akiflyer Which one?
Stanley
Darkstalker Kaathe
akiflyer Oh. OK.
+akiflyer Hearing that makes me think that the humanity sprites down in the abyss are humans just without a physical form
maker0914
Well yes! Human... souls... All the "humanity" you get is from dark soul fragments. We're creatures of dark. Not necessarily evil... as the story shows you the real evil is the Light Gods.
While you're all arguing, I'm going to live with Priscilla and make many many 1/4 dragon babies.
best option, win-win situation for sure
priscilla, the best girl in vidya game industry
TEOPETUK89 instead of linking the fire. People will be wanting to 'Link' Priscilla.
Link with gwinevere instead
You all stay with your lowly waifus, Gwyndolin is mine! Link with Gwyndolin
I chose the dark lord ending by accident...after defeating gwyn I decided to do a bit more exploring so I walked back out the giant double doors and then I was the dark lord all of a sudden 🤷♂️
I would still say the Dark Lord ending is the best choice. Even if you didn't have Solaire to help you and believe that he links the fire in your place, realizing the power of the Dark soul is far better (to me) than prolonging a useless Age of Fire again.
On another note, anyone notice the difference in "the Dark" and "the Abyss?" This difference can't be a fault in translation, similar to how the Old Chaos is different from Fire. It seems just like how the Witch created a perverse unnatural fire from her soul, Oolacile created a twisted and consuming void of the Dark by torturing Manus.
Matthew Frye I always figured that since chaos is the corruption of fire, the abyss is the corruption of dark.
The Age of Fire involves keeping the world alive, useless things like that.
+cosimone64 Using the power of the Dark
Yeah I was going to mention this. The Abyss is very clearly a distinct entity from the Dark, since it started with Manus and the Dark existed before that. If anything, the Dark would probably be combating the Abyss as the Light did.
@@timothywilliams594 ik this was made five years ago but every time the age of fire is prolonged it makes everything worse and worse. At least with a new dark age there could be a hard reset to the age of fire.
Both Kaathe and Frampt manipulate you for their own ends, whatever they are.
Yet both show up to serve the Chosen Undead in the Dark Ending, even though you did the opposite of what Frampt told you to do. Maybe Frampt was also trying to bring about the Dark Age, but in a much more subtle, patient way? Support for such a far-fetched notion: Frampt is asking us, an Undead human, to succeed Gwyn, a flipping GOD OF LIGHT, as a source for the First Flame. How long could we possibly burn? A few years? A decade? *Maybe* a century? Definitely not for nearly as long as Gwyn burned. He may be trying to about the Dark Age in a way that the gods won't punish him for ("Well, Gwyndolin/whomever, I did exactly as you and Gwyn wanted. I sent an Undead to replace him as fuel for the First Flame, and it still died out. Maybe the Age of Fire was meant to end all along..."). And maybe Frampt leaves if you side with Kaathe because he still fears the wrath of the gods; though it's in its dying days, the Age of Fire is still going on, and (at least, when you are first taken to Firelink Altar) the Lord Soul bearers are still around and relatively loyal to Gwyn (Well, maybe Nito is. Izalith and Seath are not really in a state of mind to process "loyalty".). And if you go ahead and link the Flame... well, Frampt implies (he may be lying here, but for now we will assume he isn't) that you're the only Undead in almost a millennium to have come this far, so it's not likely that it will happen again before you burn out and the Dark Age comes along. Either way, the Fire fades and only Dark remains...
You all can have the exiled half-dragon maiden. I'm going to go be Quelana's friend. Poor witch needs a hug...
just wondering how a fcking dragon would hit a human pussy
just wondering how a fcking dragon would hit a human pussy
what the fuck
my dick is confused
+LanPodder better fuck a half spider then
I don't think the dark end is the same as what was happening to Oolacile.
In Oolacile the abyss, not darkness, was spreading.
You see, the abyss is for the dark soul the same thing that the bed of chaos is for the fire/light soul
Manus, ruler of Oolacile is the Furtive Pygmy, him being "ancient man". Who was that? Why, the one who gave us all humanity. the Pygmy. The Pygmy bore the Dark Soul.
The Abyss was a corruption of humanity, consumed by Manus. It won't be so hard to imagine that the Age of Dark will lead to eventual corruption, too.
We already seen what happens when the Age of dark comes in Dark Souls 3.
So there goes the interesting debates which ending is better in this game lol
NinjapowerMS indeed. Thou shalt maketh Lordran whole once more.
Totole Hey I get to fuck bitches while I'm the Lord.
Why not :^)
Time to go to the Painted World of Ariamis to live with Priscilla, after taking Sif and Alvina with me. Maybe even the Stone Dragon.
When you think about it, the light ending is the good ending because the reason you started this adventure is because Oscar saved your butt from the undead asylum. After which he told you directly that his dying wish is for you to finish what he started. So the least you could do is light the fire and complete the poor guy’s legacy
The true ending in dark soul 1 and 2 is the light ending because if the true ending is dark Ending we will get ringed city at dark soul 1 or 2, but the true ending in dark soul 3 is dark Ending, because If we choose light ending in dark soul 3 the world Will not collapse and we Will not go to ringed city. Just give the blood of dark soul too the Painter and you Will get the ending of all souls series.
@@wl4525 but didn’t Vatti state in one of his DS2 lore videos that he believes that the second game will happen no matter which ending you pick? (I remember him saying that but it is one of his older videos so it’s still a questionable theory)
I think no, because if we choose light ending we Will die and the fire Will not fade and the cycle Will repeat. In dark soul 3 DLC the world end and the fire fade, thats mean we broke the cycle and we choose dark ending because our character still life until the end of the world. So If in dark soul 1 or 2 the true ending is dark Ending there should not be dark soul 3. I Think Vaati says that before the ringed city DLC
@@wl4525 Dark Souls 3 happens possibly thousands of years after Dark Souls. I think you don't have a sense of time here. All 3 games take place in the same physical location, as there is only one Kiln of the First Flame. Almost all the characters in Dark Souls 2 aren't alive yet during Dark Souls 1. Many kingdoms rose, spread, and fell over the ruins of Lordran before Dranlaek came along. And many more came and went before Dark Souls 3. The undead who links the flame in Dark Souls 1 is the first undead to ever link the flame after gwyn, while in Dark Souls 3 all the lord's of cinder have linked the flame before.
That just mean no Undead choice to end the fire for thousand years.
"so instead of choosing an ending go live with Priscilla or something " THIS
id take Quelaan the fair lady with me to the painted world of Ariamas
Quelaan and Priscilla can become friends ...maybe...everyone needs a friend in this dark wretched place
Love that ending. Living with Priscilla don't sound bad XD Place looks cold though.
But shes so fluffy! Just cuddle and stay warm forever and ever xD
Sento Yes.
Priscilla ending is best ending.
“Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all.”
"Gandalf of Libya, the art of war."
*20 pages later*
FUCK, i gotta pick the lesser evil. sorry renfri you crazy bitch!
@@aagh8714 lmao
Geralt!! Or Rivia
Bewteen choosing the lesser and the greater evil, I'd rather have a threesome with yennefer and triss
Funny thing is when I was proceeding to defeating Lord Gwyn, I skipped past the Black knights who were guarding the white light. After I defeated Lord Gwyn. I thought, before I light the fire. I should go and kill those remaining Black knights. I was unaware that if you leave the place, you get the Dark Lord ending. So, I accidently chose the Dark Lord ending and I feel happy about it, HAHA!
Suleman Saleem wow, ur so lucky!
100th like,welcome to the Dark Lord club my friend!
I think that letting the flame die even though it isn't exactly good, is possibly the only ending that grants a measure of hope. Allowing yourself to be consumed by the flame just seems to be a way to justify ng+ while ushering in an age of man is a bit more ambiguous and may or may not be a decision that actually spells doom for mankind. On a side note, humanity as we know it in the real world sprung from millennia of conflict, plague and darkness so perhaps the "bad" ended is in a sense giving a reference to that by saying that the darkness is inevitable but like a forest after it burns new life will eventually sprout from it's ashes. Idk, just a thought.
+HumanOddity69 Dark Souls II has the same endings with this theme a little more clear in its delivery. The player either renews the Age of Fire (which implies the first protagonist canonically did not), or walk away from the flame -- from the comfort of certainty at the cost of inevitable ruin promised by the gods -- and choose for the world a path unknown.
+Knight Artorias The Abysswalker the endings don't matter. if you won't light the fire then some other undead will. the ONLY ending that truly matters is walking away from the throne of want. you refuse both dark and light and try to find another path
+HumanOddity69 Good thought. The 'Light' ending does justifies the NG+, as you're reborn as a new Undead.
+Some Random Sun Bro You can do that as well? That is, not choose either side, and finish the game.
Some Random Sun Bro Idk why it took two months for me to get notified about this comment but it has me intrigued to say the least. Are you saying that Dark Souls has a third ending? I was rocking NG+8 with two different characters back in the day and I never received even the slightest hint that a third outcome was even possible. Then again, I was an evil bastard in DS1 and I never ventured the path of the sun bro so it's more than possible that I missed the option completely. Please explain, the length of the comment doesn't matter, I just want the whole story.
Living with Priscilla.. while undeads with giant hearts for heads try to burn you alive and crows with tall human bodies try to eat you. She even called the place as peaceful.. Maybe it's referencing how everyone interprets a painting in their own way, or Priscilla is mad just like everyone else.
And no, I don't know her lore at the moment.
It's most likely due to the fact that those beings treat her as one of them, as a part of the painting, like them. You are an intruder, something not from the painting, so they wanna shank you because of built up resentment from being sealed. Priscilla just gave you a chance to leave.
Gogito4
It seems kinda strange that she says that after you have killed all those creatures, gotten yourself through all that trouble just to hear that she just wants you to leave and tells you how. Why didn't she get you out of there right away? She knew you were there judging by what she is saying, so why did she do nothing? Is it due to the resentment as well? She's acting so illogically.
Arexion5293 She knew you were there? How? From our PoV she never left her tower. For all we know, she just saw you waltz in there and took her own actions.
Gogito4
Huh, maybe I remembered her dialogue wrong. Even then the entire place is quite questionable. Still.. I just wanted her scythe, so I killed her. And yet ironically I'm going to link the fire even if Gwyndolin is dead and the illusion of sun has vanished from Anor Londo. I'm doing as these desperate beings want me to do, these creatures living in denial. Only difference is that none of them will be there to lead the age of fire, since they don't deserve it. They had their chance and they messed up, it's someone else's turn to rule the age of fire.
Or that's how I see it.
Arexion5293 Well, guess what, that probably only makes Gwynevere come back and love the hell out of the new Anor Londo. So you aren't doing what you set out to do at all.
I wanna say dark ending is the good ending cause it's the one I agree with more, but tbh, after a few new game cycles, the good ending is just hanging out at Firelink with the npcs or fighting other players eternally in Oolacile
So, basically, the world is fucked.
Dark Souls in a nutshell.
There is only one thing to do........... WE MUST KILL THE DARK AND THE LIGHT.
kayland payne SIBLING? SIBLING OF DEADPOOL WHO IS ALSO DEADPOOL?
FUCK YEA
kayland payne YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Tarkus ending, the world explodes from his sheer awesomeness, the end.
Dark Souls leaves me with the same emotion I felt after finishing the Golden Age Arc of Berserk, hopelessness. I felt empty when I approached these endings and thats what made them so good because both Berserk and Dark Souls push the hopelessness feeling throughout the whole game/manga and their endings fit so well. Also these endings left me respecting the art and wanting more from them, truly amazing pieces of work.
Dark Souls endings are: self-sacrifice, entombing yourself while burning to death to prolong the Age of Light so people can have 'living human forms' a bit longer vs becoming a Lord and rule over the zombified humanity (humans' true form is the hollow form)
When I found out what the endings really were, I felt like some patsy who just ended up doing what some serpent wanted, played like a violin. Frampt and Kaathe need to come back in Dark Souls 2, and we better be able to either kill them or tell them to fuck off and do what we want
Not sure thats gunna happen but im with ya
i heard a suggestion that your avatar becomes truly hollowed when the player gets bored of the game.
maybe thats also the eternal darkness; when they stop playing
LMAO at the passive aggresive bashing of Mass Effect.
"Go live with Priscilla or smth"
Accurate prediction of the ending of the last dlc of the last souls game. Living in a painting
Man... was this a spoiler? Come on, its ds1 video not ds3 video..
@@creepywalk4454 you're quite some years late mate, it's time for elden ring now, the dark souls series is long finished and all it's secrets are widespread now
@@Morbak546 yeah kinda😂 missed the opportunity to play
Just started playing btw
Nice series
@@creepywalk4454 well no need to worry, my comment was a stretch from the real state of things, just to make my little joke, so there's no real spoilers there. But I'm sure you'll understand once you reach that point in the story
@@Morbak546 yeahh it's fine dude, it's the dlc anyway. I was too hyped for ds1 i watched the endings without even defeating the capra demon, soooo...
But yeah great series. I'll make sure to update u when i finished it😂😂
2:08 R.I.P headphone users...
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So just go live with Priscilla. Hahaha
I think the best solution would be pack your bags and leave to another fantasy universe. Narnia's lovely this time of year, although Skyrim does have cheap accommodation....hmmm, choices.
this actually makes sense and is funny I say why not middle Earth Sauron is quite hospitable this year
The problem with middle earth is that the elve neighbors are too snobbish...and it looks uncannily similar to new zealand.
What about Hyboria? I heard that Conan is going on adventure again, He can always use a skilled companions.
xxCrapNamexx I live in new Zealand aha
xxCrapNamexx them dwarves will charge you an arm and a leg, also. best spend time with hobbits, that is if you don't mind being surrounded by weed.
My ideal ending is to had Solaire fight Gwyn with you. Survive the fight, then you leave him behind to absolve himself in the fire since he's always talking about finding his Sun. He buys your character a little more time to prepare for the what the Dark brings.
In the end, lets say most of us were not corrupted by the dark. We all just lived in Painted World avoiding Priscilla with her Lifehunt, the knight of Berenike (who had waaaaaay more sense than us), the crows, and zombified hollows. We just sat on the bench waiting to travel to Drangleic.
While I agree Kaathe's ending isn't what he says it will be, the residents of Oolacile were transformed in to those hideous beings by the Abyss, not the dark. I'm under the impression they're very different.
Specifically, Manus. The abyss of Oolacile is a rather different thing than the abyss you find under New Londo. It was Manus that basically made everyone else's Humanity go apeshit and turn them into monsters. Although it is heavily implied that Kaathe is the one that convinced the people of Oolacile to dig Manus back up.
MGlBlaze But think of the theories that the furtive pygmy became Manus. Was it not his soul that caused the corruption of man? If man is the dark soul, and the dark soul was created by what will destroy man, than will man simply destroy itself?
Well, consider a few things. Manus is known as the Father of the Abyss. He is largely believed to be the Furtive Pygmy, the one who found the Dark Soul and shattered it to found man. With this in mind, it is likely he kept a majority of the Dark Soul, causing him to become what he did. That being said, too much Humanity warps you into something sinister. The Abyss can be considered Humanity as an environment, but twisted. The Dark obviously is what held humanoids, as they hid within it, and only surfaced when Fire was created. So humanoids were able to survive just fine in the dark; it was Humanity from the Dark Soul's shattering that gave the possibility of something awful.
So in the end, as the Dark Lord, whom Kaathe and the serpents answer to, you could lead the Age of Man in the dark, making sure that Humanity is an equal thing, so that humans do not become warped and die off by its worse self, the Abyss. But, your character likely can't piece these things together, so, hope that they have omniscience and can do the right thing by chance and let Man survive.
Your humanity statement could also explain why Chaos Weapons scale with humanity. Humanity could be the cause of chaos, saying that man is chaos.
The Primordial Serpents look like snakes with moustaches. I don't like moustaches, or snakes.
“so instead of choosing an ending, just go and live with priscilla or something” wisest sentence of the century
Priscilla it is.
Okay but there is a chance for humans to prosper in the darkness. Oolacile was because Manus twisted the darkness to have it's malevolence affect the human. They pissed him off and disturbed his rest, he justifiably so enacted revenge. There has been no side to present the natural darkness just darkness twisted by entities residing in it. Manus messed up Oolacile with his abyss... So yeah I'm still for team Darkness, Age of Man all the way. Those would be gods are just GIANT jerks.
they changed because that is the effect of each Lord upon their kin, if something happens to the lord soul, it changes those connected to it, thats why the children of fire are demons, thats why giants are so fucking.... giant, and thats why the bloat heads can are so fucked up
the darkness is the opposite of the light, and at the same time, its power without what the light soul has, order, giants are perfect, they do not age, they're inclined to honor, they're inclined to honesty, they are mighty, and they do not change. humans are the opposite of all these things due to their dark soul, a little bit of it allows them to change and improve, but too much results in destruction. the only way to win as a human is to somehow shed your humanity, or die, being undead prevents both of these
Aj simons ... I think you may be giving the giants too much credit there. Smough is not someone I would consider inclined to honor or honesty. Neither would Gwyn given his complete ignorance of Seath the Scaleless' experiments. Ciaran was an asssassin right? Assassins immediately mean lying and subterfuge so again points towards dishonesty and lack of honor. Giant's do change and age, Gwynevere was not born that giant pin up doll she is in game if that is an actual representation of her, so she had to age/grow into that. Gwyndolin certainly is not very grand in his design. If the giants were perfect they would not be such pansies against the dark, they fleed with their tails inbetween their legs. Humans are not perfect either, but the giants are gone now in spite of their past glory. Time for humans to shine! Or not shine since it is supposedly the age of dark...
The dark isn't bad for humans. Its the abyss that causes the problem
But the abyss is the darkness... right?
Yes but its the corrupted kind of dark
It's hilarious that this video ends with "So, instead of choosing an ending, just go and live with Priscilla or something"--because that's exactly what happens at the end of Dark Souls 3. We make a painted world with the pigment of the Dark Soul, living in a kind, cold world separate from the cycle of fire and dark and will never rot.
I accidentally ended the game and it turned itno NG.
God dammit, I thought it was a bonfire and I didn't see "link the fire" fast enough. I haven't done DLC yet!
Doesnt matter if you linked it or not, you were screwed anyways.
***** If I could see it faster I wouldn't go "OH BONFIRE I SIT"
Oh wait I understand what you meant. Yeah I was screwed. :D
God damn developers put a "warning, you are ending the game" sign!
Same
Sardun I always place a message outside the fog wall saying "Be wary of dead end"
Sardun You and me both, I had to defeat Manus in NG+ . . . . good luck, I defeated him alone, hollowed and naked. (yes I became a hobo in my quest to fucking kill the piece of shit)
idk about the whole "dark mutates" humans thing because from my understanding it was manus who did that to the people of ulucil for torturing him.
dex5x I think the same thing. Also, there are many references to that being "The Abyss". I don't know about you but I feel like there's a difference between dark, and complete and utter emptiness where light can't even exist. In the Abyss there's no dark because there's no light, it's just nothingness. I do feel like the primordial serpents are using you for some purpose known only to them but I don't feel like the age after the Age of Fire is complete anathema to humanity. The way I look at my "Dark Lord" playthrough is I'm paving the way for a world ruled by humanity, no Gods, only man.
dex5x Darkness doesn't existed before the age of fire, but the world actually does, as it state on the intro, with fire comes light and dark, so with no fire there is no dark. However this doesn't mean we are going back to the times of the dragons, because the fire has changed everything, and the dragons are the majority dead. It's a new age without dragons nor gods, aka without ultrapowerful beast that can destroy you easily nor beings that watch over us as gods. It's just us alone i the world, that's the age of men, kinda like reaching adulthood.
Javier Iñesta that was my point. In the video he theorizes that humanity cant exists in the dark but im saying the opposite
humanity has a bad side. You just have to look in the real world, it's not a thing of the videogame. How many atrocities were done in history? Or even nowadays. Maybe you could find Manus in the old instalations of the concentration camp of Auswich
Javier Iñesta dude wtf are u talking about im talking about a video game
The abyss and the dark may not be the same thing. The abyss could be a corrupted version of the dark and the dark may just be a metaphor for humanity.
someone bring this to vaati's attention pls.
This is a good point...... but as is the truth of the matter with dark souls, most things are just pure speculation and we have little or no way of finding out the truth. In this game we make our own stories in how we play, and what we believe happens afterwards. Maybe dark souls 2 will change this but I doubt it, I dont think it will even mention any sort of 'canon' ending from the original and will just open up more speculation.
But if everyone is corrupt... no one is.
NotcZombie
That is also true.
NotcZombie
Very true indeed
I have a small theory that suggest that both Frampt and Karth wanted the Age of Dark to come, since both proclaim to serve the Dark Lord in the end. Frampt may have revealed himself first to give the our character all of these promises and persuades you to link the fire, so that when Karth tells you its a lie, you feel more compelled to let the fire fade and become the Dark Lord.
if you link the fire though, your flames will keep the fire from ending for a LONG time and there is still time for another hero to come, time for things to be good for SOME time but if there is no way out of the circle of frampt (chosen comes, links the flame, flames begin to fade and the same continues) (assuming it goes like that) then there is the other choise: become the dark lord and let fire fade.....but wait a second! humans came from the dark/the dark soul, but if they need fire to be sane?!then if the flames fade all men will become mindless hollows and the world will be dark......BUT...if then the everlasting dragons come back ;)...see where im getting at....its all a big circle ,which also kind of supports the ng + stuff/ starting from the beginning....IF ANYONE HAD THE PATIENCE TO READ THIS, THEN HE/SHE IS AWESOME
The question now is
: how did fire and life come to the world? its the same kind of question like how did the world get created, some say it was the god, some say it was the big bang( but there had to be a world already to blow up) so who knows? i think fromsoft thought like the opening stuff is a myth of a kind so......ahh i'm thinking too much...GG PRAISE THE SUN SEE YA LATER
***** You only needed the lord souls to open the gate to Gwyn, and that door should stay open now, unless those souls/the lordvessel are removed.
Asagi Asagiri The souls fade you know
Perfect ending. I take option 3! Fluffy tail poking for the rest of my life!
and dem painted toesies
So basically the ending is like choosing between Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton.
^this
lol
no its like donald trip and ted cruise
their both poop
+Deagle2751 How does that piss all over it? That's literally the entire deal with DS1 heroes coming from all across the world to lordran to fulfill the prophecy, the whole way through the game we see several powerful people lose their humanity and hollow trying to fight through the same path we do.
The only difference in their story is they have to defeat the dark lord "Deagle2751"
No no no not at all
What sealed my decision to just light the damned flame was the revelation of Kaathe's role in the brutal destruction of both New Londo and Oolacile. I still remember the first time I saw those piles of hundreds of hundreds of corpses in New Londo, once you drain the water. No way was I listening to or aiding anyone who had a hand in that. 🤷♂️
@@BravoDox I see there is another trolling through the depths of VaatiVidya's videos
Ending of the chosen undead known as FredFucks: FredFucks and his Sunbro Solaire take down Gwyn, Lord of Getting Parried. We take the flame, and push it somewhere else, solving any and all problems any sentient creature may face. The End
Garrett Seno Nice.
Imo. the Abyss isn't Dark, its the complete absence of Light or Dark. The Abyss was caused by he corruption of the Light soul by Gwyn splitting it the way he did for selfish reasons; because he feared the Dark Lord who would one day kill him and end his age of Fire. Manus is the personification of that corruption and fear that Gwyn held. So, again imo, ushering in the age of man with the "Dark" ending wouldn't cause another Oolacile, since the Dark soul did not create the abyss or the creatures that existed as a result.
But the complete absence of Light or Dark is what the world was in the beginning, when the everlasting dragons ruled. Nothing like the Abyss. Elizabeth even says that Artorias was consumed by Dark since, as an adherent of Gwyn and the Light, he had not a trace of Dark in him.
The Abyss first came about when the Four Kings (humans) succumbed to the lust for power, much in the same vein as the Dark Lord ending. The pattern repeats in Oolacile, where Manus (the first human, and creator of humanity by means of splitting the Dark Soul) imposes a reign of Dark through humanity and thereby spreads the Abyss once more. Even the corrupted Artorias's Abyss Greatsword scales with humanity.
When humanity embraces the Dark, the Abyss inevitably ensues.
GodzillaGuy92 this is why I love the writing in this game because you can talk about it for hours.
I always thought of the everlasting dragons as a perfect balance between light and dark (with no decay or death but no progress or life) and the first flame upset that balance by concentrating the power of light, dark, life and death into individuals who could be corrupted and who could die.
I may be wrong and again this is just how I read it, but Elizabeth said Artorias failed because he didn't have any Dark in him; but she never said he fell to Dark. Its as if being both Light and Dark protects you somehow.
I'm also not convinced that Manus is the pygmy, though a lot of my friends are convinced that he is.
chiip90 As far as Elizabeth goes, the exact quote is "Knight Artorias came to stop this, but such a hero has nary a murmur of Dark. Without doubt he will be swallowed by the Abyss, overcome by its utter blackness. Indeed, the Abyss may be unstoppable."
So in short, Abyss="utter blackness"=Dark, and even if Manus isn't the Furtive Pygmy himself, he's still a human who begat the Abyss by means of humanity embracing the Dark. Humanity is necessary for the Abyss to occur, which is why the Chosen Undead, as a human containing both Light and Dark, can't simply be corrupted as Artorias was.
Elizabeth's last line is perhaps the most telling. As is discussed in this video, the advent of the Age of Dark is inevitable, whether the Chosen Undead chooses to postpone it or bring it about himself. Elizabeth expresses the same sentiment about the Abyss (which, again, is characterized as pure darkness). Kaathe, who wants the Age of Dark to begin, even dwells in the Abyss. The Age of Dark _is_ the spread of the Abyss over the entire world.
GodzillaGuy92 Its about human nature. Too much dark and you become Manus seeking to gain power without a care for anyone or anything else. But an absence of dark and you become Gwyn, desperately trying to hold on to power at the cost of everything he once held dear.
I still don't believe the Abyss is inherently Dark as it seems to corrupt individuals from both ends of the spectrum.
So excited for the new game, maybe we'll learn more.
chiip90 something we should pay attention to is the dark magic if you look at pursuers or they seem to be the same material as both the spells manus cast and the dark magic does hurt humans, second I believe without a doubt manus is the furtive pygmy, manus the name is the irish form of magnus which means "great" the name Magnus became popular in Scandinavia after the time of the 11th-century Norwegian king Magnus I, who was said to have been named after Charlemagne is From Old French Charles le Magne meaning "CHARLES the Great". and Charles means "man" or possibly but probably not "army/warrior" so the end result is "great man" not convinced?
manus= man us
The good ending is this. You succeed Gwyn and bring about the age of dark because you lift and don't need a night light when going to bed.
“Go live with Priscilla or something” That is eerily similar to how dark souls actually ends, with a painted world being created by a girl who looks a little bit like Priscilla
Now here is my question. Let's say that Frampt isn't lying to you and that the undead curse will end, at least temporarily. Why would you want it to end? If anything being undead is the one thing that has given you purpose. You were only able to kill demons and gods because you had nothing to lose if you were killed, you would just come back. It's the only thing that gave you power in a world of suffering. And if you truly are the most powerful undead, would you not wish to share the joys of being undead with the rest of humanity, as the Dark Lord?
The world despises the undead. Think of it like immortality, sure it is cool for the first few years or maybe even a century. But after you experience everything, you begin to want more and more. Soon the adventures and spoils are not enough to satisfy you. All that ends up happening is seeing the things you love/enjoy just disappear around you. That whole premise is what going hollowed. Life ceases to have meaning because there is no end, you simple become crestfallen. There is no guarantee the Dark Lord ending would see the curse spread to other humans or even if they would want that. Humans value death as much as they value life, to the point where the Undead is classified as a disease/curse. It is not about challenging Gods and Demons. It is about having a purpose in life, if there is no end to life then what exactly is life's purpose? Just simply move on?
I'll have you know that the miss merchant couldn't be happier as an undead. Everyone else is crying and wheezing because they're being killed by demons over and over again, with virtually no protection from non undead or the lords. As the dark lord, the CU could protect the undead as a new leader, teach them to expand and take joy in their "curse." Of course there is nothing for the undead to do now, because they've been shoved in asylums and been branded as monsters by scared humans.
Besides, if they really want to die so bad, they can just go hollow. You'd think that they wouldn't be able to die as hollows, but lore heavily suggests they actually can.
I actually like this response. Dark Souls is a really open to interpretation game, so you are welcome to your interpretation. I do not agree with it as I feel there are other lands other than lordran who would not agree with this and fight back. I see that there are undead who enjoy it but I feel as a whole humans would not. There are whole orders that would fight to their last breath, Way of the White anyone?Simply coddling the people turned undead does not take away my point that sooner or later the immortality factor of being undead would sour and people would become less enchanted with it. Simply going hollow does not take away from the point that people are losing their will/reason to live. There would be no meaning in death the people are dehumanized as they feel death is a critical part of it.
Even so, the dark lord ending supposedly ends the curse correct? If anything I feel it would because it is heralded as the age of Man. Humans time to shine in the darkness not undead.
Yeah, I suppose you do have a good point there. Obviously the world outside of Lordran would defiantly be concerned with someone who is not only letting the dark come, but is trying to spread the undead curse. And after a while, even if they do believe that being undead is great, people will most likely be bored with immortality. Your interpretation makes sense, but I still like to think that a lot of the hatred for the curse is more spawned by general fear of the unknown, and groups like the Way of White symbolizing that fear.
***** HAH! That could be an allegory for so many things. I love this game and the discussions it spawns. More often than not the tragedy are people spewing hate for things they simply cannot understand or worse, choose not too. Fingers crossed we get more hints in Dark Souls II. But anyone reading this... please no spoilers. :D I liked this discussion, I hope you get some more hints in Dark Souls II as you could very well be right.
if you think about it further, the undead only survive in their accursed world through a purpose or ideal they strive towards. Taking the dark path would, theoretically, cause you to lose your purpose and go hollow. Perhaps Kaarthe knew this, and decided to use you to further his own agenda, which I assume is to end the reign of Gods. For of course, Kaarthe is of the old age, there was no place for him in the new age.
As his resentment grew at the change of power, a pygmy presented him an idea. Protect my soul, the Dark Soul, and the era of Gods will come to an end. And so Kaarthe agreed and hid the pygmy from the eyes of the Gods. However, Kaarthe only works for his own agenda and so plotted on his own to prevent the turning of age to become Men. As he brooded on this idea, he noticed how the souls of humanity were drawn to the bonfires that lit the world. If only I could create a permanent link, force a connection to the dying light of the fires, he thinks. For if the fires are dying, what will happen when you require them. So he went to the source of humanity, the pygmy, and murdered him (remember, we never knew what happened to him). Suddenly he has the source soul. He takes that soul and he places it in the first flame.
Do you notice how the flame is completely dark when you first enter? How then, are your bonfires still lit. For of course, the bonfires are false. They are not alight with the first flame, but rather the first human soul. That is why your bonfire is your home, why you cannot die and why using humanity strengthens your bonfire. Notice how Gwyn instantly attacks you the second you enter the area, not when you near him or the bonfire. Hollows are reactive, not proactive. Notice how hollows change from reactive to proactive after an encounter? They'll attack you even if you've ran far away, whereas their first meeting needs closer proximity. This suggests that someone else has entered Gwyn's area before, say, Kaarthe?
I don't know guys, I just thought it'd be interesting to share my random theory. Also, going by this theory, kindling the flame could save, or destroy humanity. You rekindling the first flame would either destroy the original human soul and break your undead link to the bonfires, or strengthen the original human soul and reinforce the undead brand. Or perhaps kindling the flame would do nothing at all.
Any way you look at it, neither way wins. To be honest, I believe their is a hidden agenda in dark souls. All the undead have missions, purposes, reasons for existence. All the undead go hollow when their missions, purposes or reasons to exist dissipate.
All.
There is no differences, is this truly co-incidence? Why does the Way of the White believe its a curse? If it was for a shallow reason such as simply refusing to acknowledge different, the noble girl would never have been sent on her undead mission. Why is Gwyndolin constantly attempting to make anor londo appear to be the same? TO pretend the era of God continues? yet he has a covenant that seeks out evil doers, one such as that would not hide in false ideals. A lot of things don't add up in this game, and I believe it is not because they are not there but because we simply never looked.
I mean, have any of us even considered the possibility that everyone's being manipulated? Why are we assuming their are only 4 souls created, because the beginning told us? Light, Dark, Death, Life. For all light there is Dark, with life comes Death. Seems like four souls to anyone thinking of it, and yet. The Dragons existed on a plane of grey, an existence of neither light nor dark, death nor life. Simply, an existence. Why are we assuming that this in itself is not a soul. The Grey soul, the neutral soul. Neither light nor dark, life nor death, the only soul that would wish for the old era.
Alright, It's late so I should stop before I go even madder. I still believe their is a hidden agenda in here though, a manipulation of all of us.
that really bummed me out
and then the ending made me laugh.
xD
Ima goin to live with pris now, peace
How do you trigger the ending of live with Priscilla ?
Duece Zaldivar
It's not a real ending. He was making a joke and the footage was of him interacting with Priscilla.
oh, haha silly me
Linking the flame is a pretty good metaphor for the human struggle. Constant battle to survive, and against evil, darkness, etc. Our progressed is paved with the bones of our fore fathers. Sure it's grim to be the one sacrificing yourself, but you're giving a whole new generation of life to exist, good or bad. It beats nothing.
Only this ending is just an extension of the meaningless cycle. This ending only leads to the re-devastation of entire continents in a meaningless cycle that is contrary to the natural path.
it'd be cool if in NG+, the game would save your character when you first kill Gwyn, so you could fight yourself. then again, too much parrying and Havel's.
I like to believe that, by sacrificing myself as fuel, I gave the Gods a long time to find a solution to their problem (For what it's worth, I annihilated Gwyn on my first try, somehow.) I like to believe that somehow, the gods found their answer, the Darksign was no longer needed, and my sacrifice ushered in a new age of peace.
Granted this is Dark Souls so it's more than likely I just became some faceless hero to be slain by the next "Chosen Undead" when my body faded. But hey, at least I went out praising the sun.
The latter of the two possibilities was essentially confirmed by the lore of dark souls 2. There is no permanent solution.
Problem being is, thats exactly what the gods want you to believe, that your going to sacrifice yourself for the greater good. You want the solution to the undead curse? End the age of fire, since it was caused by Gwyn UNNATURALLY prolonging the age of fire.
What gods? I'm pretty sure you killed them all...
Whelp didn't a snake kinda mess it up for two people named Adam and Eve?
You would be onto something if this were a Western game, but Snakes have a different meaning in Japanese culture, though From could easily take inspiration from Western mythology in how the serpents are perceived (Loki figures). Dark Souls has characteristics of a Western RPG, in it's visual aesthetic especially, but at it's core it's still a Japanese game. Fire, for example, is at the core of Dark Souls and is a powerful symbol in the original Japanese creation myth.
You have a good point but fire is the start for a lot of civilizations it even relates back to science.
bizmonkey007 I don't think it matter that much, they could have borrowed the idea from anywhere as you stated. Dark Souls brings some big array of influences on it's lore. You'd think if they were going to be 100% japanese the characters would at least know how to correctly hold a katana xD
Idlemage I real,y don’t like the way u say that as a Christian
I always thought The Abyss was a corrupted form of the darkness and the reason people became corrupted by it was because there was too much of it being held in one small town.