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  • @PrimePrius
    @PrimePrius 4 ปีที่แล้ว +327

    That was nice of those sergeants to help the recruits with their bags.

    • @jasonl3686
      @jasonl3686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      And to think, those privates didn’t appreciate the help. No wonder the drill sergeants were in a bad mood.

    • @laaldeadepepino1967
      @laaldeadepepino1967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I like to see, those gentlemans, trying to help a new recruits.

    • @khanglo6326
      @khanglo6326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      😂 @prime you, Sir! Have a great sense of humor!

    • @bgrpOT
      @bgrpOT 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What are the bags called they are throwing?

  • @Expandingyourmind
    @Expandingyourmind 6 ปีที่แล้ว +500

    People trash this generation. But everyone of those young men joined knowing they were war bound! I went to basic in 2005. Proud to have served knowing where we were all headed.

    • @dirtydave2691
      @dirtydave2691 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Good job Mr. Holland. By this time I was a Sergeant First Class in the 101st new 4th Brigade. I had the privilege of leading dozens of Soldiers from this era in Iraq. They all knew that as 11B's they would be going to combat soon. All of you volunteered and served at a critical time and the majority performed their duty without hesitation. My oldest son joined in 2010 right out of high school and is now a Staff Sergeant in the Infantry. All of you are owed a debt of gratitude from our Nation. Thank you very sincerely for your sacrifice and service. RLTW MSG (R) Dave.

    • @hhds113
      @hhds113 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I went to Benning back in 2003. When Iraq started our DS's told us many of us would be going. And I sure did in the end of 2003 to 2004. And then back in Iraq in 2006

    • @Yep_That_Guy
      @Yep_That_Guy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Class of 05' HUA RLTW

    • @hotelalphawhiskeykilogrunt7925
      @hotelalphawhiskeykilogrunt7925 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A 2/54 2004 the Italian DS in this video was my DS DS Rodriguez

    • @stephendavis7519
      @stephendavis7519 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Basic was Jan 2003 for me Drill reminded us daily that we were going to war

  • @lovefrompraha
    @lovefrompraha 5 ปีที่แล้ว +396

    We gotta get back to this mentality in the army. Bring back BDU's too

    • @samuelinfante3742
      @samuelinfante3742 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      lovefrompraha I couldn’t agree more, so many units lack discipline because of NCOs not being able to do their job and instill this mentality

    • @attiumeyami417
      @attiumeyami417 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Agree but i like ocps better

    • @TreeOfManna
      @TreeOfManna 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Hell, bring back WW2-era olive drab.

    • @blazetaylor6989
      @blazetaylor6989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Man, no joke. I went in 2004 and ETS'd 2009, and every new class of joe's was a little more entitled and weaker than the last. And, BDU/DCU kicked ass man, none of that velcro BS. Guys don't even have to shine their black boots every night lol, come on.

    • @Mariescott3380
      @Mariescott3380 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@attiumeyami417 I like OCP's better too. They're like an updated 21st century remake version of the old camouflage pattern. Except there's no black, just different shades of olive green and pea green, brown and dark tan. Plus there's more pockets to store your wallet, phone, etc on your shirt and pants.

  • @wcpaulk
    @wcpaulk 6 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    I wish i could do it all over again. This is when my mom and dad were alive. I was trained to be a soldier at Fort Lost in the woods. The first time i witnessed my father shed a tear when i graduated. I am a old man now, but wish i could do it all over again. I love my country and my Army.

    • @MAC-ws8fz
      @MAC-ws8fz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bill, I was in C-4-2 back in the '60's! My three older brothers and one younger brother and my son also were 'Grads' from the Woods! Hated and LOVED every minute of it and wish I could do it all over again! Hey Marines...you don't know HOW easy you had it!

    • @errolmcinnes7938
      @errolmcinnes7938 ปีที่แล้ว

      Echo 4 10 back in '85. we didn't have these cushy buses. We went from reception to our assigned units in cattle cars. No time to sit down, and not much desire to do so either.

    • @maplemanz
      @maplemanz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@errolmcinnes7938 I went through in June 85 and we went from reception station to BT unit in cattle cars when we boarded them they told us to lower your head and were no allowed to look outside while riding to our BT unit.

    • @mattwitkowski6329
      @mattwitkowski6329 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      C-3-4 back in ‘82. 62E

  • @kentuckyjustice1408
    @kentuckyjustice1408 6 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    Woodland camo and black boots. How historical.

    • @seanpaulding6517
      @seanpaulding6517 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Didn't have BDU back in the day. Cotton OD green and ' croot boots.

    • @Yep_That_Guy
      @Yep_That_Guy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shit...been about 18 years since I watched those planes hit the towers as a grown teen.

    • @huzaifahikram2835
      @huzaifahikram2835 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Today Bdu is like WWII era khakis to millennials

    • @Trebbuchet
      @Trebbuchet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@huzaifahikram2835 These young men (assuming most of them were 17 or 18 when this was recorded in 2004) are millenials. The oldest millenials are about 39 now, 18 in 2000. "Millenial" doesn't mean any younger person. You're probably thinking of Gen Z

    • @CtheDead209-zt8tj
      @CtheDead209-zt8tj 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's a bdu... not woodland camo missed bie g able to roll up my blouse sleeves.

  • @nordfreiheit
    @nordfreiheit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    Most of these young men went to Iraq or Afghanistan.
    Some of them probably didn't come back.

    • @whiteamerican1988
      @whiteamerican1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And you can't even put down your fuckin' video games and tit-milk to join. What a fuckin' loser.

    • @nordfreiheit
      @nordfreiheit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@whiteamerican1988 I was an infantry soldier for 7 years, served two combat deployments in Eastern Afghanistan, and achieved the rank of Sergeant, dick head.

    • @elevenbravo2461
      @elevenbravo2461 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Mason B thank you for your service, sergeant. I just enlisted in the US Army last week on Monday, 11X MOS, infantry recruit. I’m leaving for Benning August 24th

    • @5222k
      @5222k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Daquan Corleone
      My nephew leaves on exact same day sir. What a trip that I saw your post comment. Y’all may very well meet and serve together. Enjoy every minute. Take hundreds more pictures than you think you should. Thanks you for enlisting.

    • @nordfreiheit
      @nordfreiheit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@elevenbravo2461 keep your eyes forward and don't take anything they say to you personally, just use it to improve yourself.

  • @trulyannoying9061
    @trulyannoying9061 7 ปีที่แล้ว +405

    that moment when you realize a lot of these guys probably went to iraq or afghanistan :/

    • @Andy-je3el
      @Andy-je3el 6 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      and quite a few didn't come back..

    • @Sevv9220
      @Sevv9220 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      We all start somewhere

    • @robert7838
      @robert7838 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mikey did you want to get deployed?

    • @nickd920
      @nickd920 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I did.

    • @Oldsoldiersays
      @Oldsoldiersays 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      this is the ft benning school for boys. infantry. Everyone here deployed since then. Every single grunt. Less than 1% chance at being killed? Only because of the most bad ass line medics in the world. Chances of being a casualty as infantry was much much much higher. I'd say around 10% of those deployed, with about 60% of all deployed having psychological issues.

  • @randomness175
    @randomness175 7 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    They're so nice and polite, look at them helping the recruits with their baggage!

  • @scheilstyle
    @scheilstyle 8 ปีที่แล้ว +379

    So funny how at 4:23 the one tall Drill Sergeant hit the other with a duffle bag, and then they shook hands to make up. lol. I love it.

    • @andyman820
      @andyman820 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      rofllll

    • @salinemuffin7808
      @salinemuffin7808 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Jonathan Scheil he shook the other drill sergeant

    • @lsaanaconda1
      @lsaanaconda1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      lmao ikr! "my bad Drill Sergeant lets jump back on these privates!"

    • @beastmode4591
      @beastmode4591 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Knocked his hat off and everything

    • @brendanyazzie2774
      @brendanyazzie2774 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      did u hear his squeal too?😂

  • @APhan26
    @APhan26 9 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    When you are actually in it, you will find it actually amusing...

    • @michaelsexton4009
      @michaelsexton4009 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Broken cell phone

    • @murph8837
      @murph8837 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That is what im afraid of. I find there yelling ridiculous and I am afraid of laughing.

    • @jorgep-rez4834
      @jorgep-rez4834 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Then they will be.on your ass trying to break you

    • @Direwoof
      @Direwoof 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The funniest memories of my life are from infantry OSUT at FT benning, "every swingin dick better be downstairs in 30 seconds".

    • @NinjaTraylen
      @NinjaTraylen 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I swear

  • @thedragonbroke
    @thedragonbroke 8 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    BDUs looked so much more squared away. ACUs look like dogs hit by comparison.

    • @SRR1213
      @SRR1213 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +TBL-TTB Depends how you wear them. They don't look as good but they require some effort also.

    • @blastedpotato
      @blastedpotato 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Trev ocps ight

    • @folkskjoldr4814
      @folkskjoldr4814 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed

    • @sarge898
      @sarge898 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No better feeling than knowing you’ve got that sharp crease down your pant legs and your pocket flaps are stiff as boards.

    • @5thkiechannel
      @5thkiechannel 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ACUs are the worst. but what do you think of OCPs?

  • @chiefkeef1313
    @chiefkeef1313 8 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    LMAO @ 4:23 when Drill Sgt throws the bag and hits another Drill Sgt

    • @Chriz218
      @Chriz218 8 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Hahaha! Good eyes! Now I can't stop laughing.

    • @v---velez---v9487
      @v---velez---v9487 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah & 2:13 almost 😂😂

    • @iamLiquidSnake1
      @iamLiquidSnake1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +Chief Keef (DiamondsandYEN) You can literally hear him saying "OH!" XD

    • @duck5336
      @duck5336 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lmfao knocked his hat off and everything.

    • @DanielDTUBWeinberger
      @DanielDTUBWeinberger 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      In my head I just thought "oh heeeeeell nah, you just letting your bag hit my battle?! Start pushing and better pray I don't fuck that ass up"

  • @LDrumsOhio
    @LDrumsOhio 8 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    This is great. I can't stop laughing at how amazing this is and how scared I remember being when I stepped off the bus. B Co. 2/47INF 1999 with DS Chaisomboon , Cantrell and Smoke.

    • @parasite6302
      @parasite6302 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, funny how that fear is quite an asset for a recruit and you as the new recruit always thought of it as a burden or a weakness, when in reality it wasn't that at all.

    • @godsgift9715
      @godsgift9715 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember Cantrell and smoke

    • @ssgadambray
      @ssgadambray 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cantrell was terrifying. Signature line, 'Hey, freak! '

    • @inadequit
      @inadequit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      L CARLTON that's amazing. j just graduated basic from bravo 2/47 march 17 2017. and now in at AIT.

    • @ThriskaTheCODPlayer
      @ThriskaTheCODPlayer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Michael Rogers I just graduated last week from Bravo 2/47 as well! Panthers Never Quit!

  • @latinaries35
    @latinaries35 8 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    These youngsters arrive to their barracks in a bus? I don't know if it was common but back in 94 we arrived in cattle trucks lol

    • @pfdrtom
      @pfdrtom 8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Cattle cars in '86 too! Basic was just listening to people yell and maybe teach you something. Airborne School was a lot tougher PT and better as far as moral and team building. Spending a few years in 1/75th rangers in Savannah and then 1/187th 101st at Campbell was a tough, miserable, great experience that I wouldn't trade for the world.

    • @latinaries35
      @latinaries35 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cool... I guess I am 'old school' as well. I served in A Co. 1/187th. What company you served while at the 101st my friend?

    • @1drumsmoke
      @1drumsmoke 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      June 84, arrived on a " bus" to Harmony Church, (cattle car rest of basic) D.I. stuck his fist through a window.

    • @mrnobody5381
      @mrnobody5381 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was at Benning in 2004 and they used them at times but preferred to bus us or road march to training.

    • @traw9865
      @traw9865 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +mike gofuckurself yep, same year and I remember cattle trucks mixed in with buses

  • @Thatdude61
    @Thatdude61 9 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Get over there and do some push ups!

    • @scarface8513
      @scarface8513 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Army4Life come on srg. I'm tired

  • @marloforreal
    @marloforreal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That realization that many of these new recruits are now your senior NCOs today.

  • @reneanguiano5248
    @reneanguiano5248 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The bus driver be like i love my job

  • @emmittkelly4631
    @emmittkelly4631 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I joined the Army back in 2015. Don't get me wrong, it was difficult when I went through and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. But, I wish I could have been part of the Army during this time, especially with the amount of passion and love I have for the Army! I am willing to die for my country and any of my Soldiers under my command. Unfortunately, the current standard of the Army is weaker than it used to be. We need to bring back many of the things that became "phased out". At this time, I plan on staying in as long as the Army will allow me to!

    • @jamescacciabeve3654
      @jamescacciabeve3654 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I went through 14 week OSUT at Benning in 2001, April-Aug. I will go on the record and say that it was harder than Ranger School, which I later graduated from and went straight through without recycling in 2003. FYI - 82nd Pre Ranger was the hardest thing I ever experienced in my life, winter class in early 2003, absolutely hellacious

    • @jaydouglas8845
      @jaydouglas8845 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Pure nonsense. I was in the Army from 1992 to 2016. The Army is not weaker today than it was when I was in. Things are done differently, but it is still strong and effective. Some methods deployed in different eras could be deemed dehumanizing and not create individuals with dignity or respect. It's a misconception to deem any adjustments or changes to training and receiving new soldiers as being weaker. Nah, it's just more effective and reasonable to do things a little different.

  • @mannequinfukr
    @mannequinfukr 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    one tip for anyone going to basic: pass it as if you were just someone's figment of their imagination or as if you were just a name (something my dad told me if I decide to go into service)

    • @dalegiordano2299
      @dalegiordano2299 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You got 2 seconds to get off my effin bus and 1 already passed. Warlords 314th

  • @MrMustang1804
    @MrMustang1804 8 ปีที่แล้ว +222

    The old Army

    • @ufc4life536
      @ufc4life536 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      +MrMustang1804 exactly. I graduated at Ft. Bliss El Paso TX back in 1990 and shit I hear these days how basic training is makes me shake my head

    • @midwestboii3551
      @midwestboii3551 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      No, just BDU's then

    • @agfan1
      @agfan1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      UFC 4LIFE Logan Heights June- August 1984 must have run up the Franklin mountains 100 times, fun memories of the white elephant

    • @wcatholic1
      @wcatholic1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ft. Bliss 1983. 16S.

    • @amysteriouspotato4383
      @amysteriouspotato4383 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I feel cheated really. I want to leave the better than my ability. We need to go back.

  • @jordanmassey9780
    @jordanmassey9780 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    As a Marine, this makes me smile! Wish basic was still like this for you guys!

    • @shlacked2690
      @shlacked2690 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Flip- JDM-Tuner it is still like this lol

    • @markmmmm9720
      @markmmmm9720 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shlacked2690 no it is not!

    • @mvend10
      @mvend10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah it won’t be until we are going back on combat deployments again. Until we are back boots on the ground, it will continue to be soft.

    • @ComradeCoop
      @ComradeCoop ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was when I was in in 2005 drill sergeants we're bodyslaming fools on the range and throwing guidions through formations at Fort Knox

    • @mvend10
      @mvend10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ComradeCoop lmao. I went through in 2014 and they still would put their hands on you but not body slam lol.

  • @reddevilparatrooper
    @reddevilparatrooper 8 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Wow!What happen to the cattle cars?That was the"Ft.Benning Limo Service"i arrived at Harmony Church during the summer of 1986 in WWII barracks.The welcome was about the same.

    • @kingfobbit399
      @kingfobbit399 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Winter of 86 C-10-2 Harmony Church Howdy Brother! I just get blank stares when I try to describe Harmony Church to FNG's.

  • @TheAjdunn14
    @TheAjdunn14 8 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    These drill sergeants are some helluva baggage handlers. lol

    • @sarge898
      @sarge898 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Aloysius Dunn every time I’m getting off of a plane waiting for people to quit lollygagging, I wish that a pack of drill sergeants would appear and speed up the process!

  • @idunbeezasmart1
    @idunbeezasmart1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    When I went to Benning, I thought I was Chinese. It was always, "Do push-ups, Yu" or "Come here, Yu". Also, to anyone going to Infantry school, just a word of advice. When you get to your duty station and they ask you where you went to basic. Tell them your unit, i.e. C 2/58. Do NOT say, Fort Benning.

    • @matthewmoore436
      @matthewmoore436 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      idunbeezasmart1 why

    • @rithe07
      @rithe07 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All infantry goes to Fort Benning

    • @craigforrest6548
      @craigforrest6548 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      C 2/58 Best trained company in the whole brigade. Train us right Drill Sgt, train us right. '87

  • @krisola2257
    @krisola2257 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great memories of Ft. Benning for basic training

  • @johnlougheed5667
    @johnlougheed5667 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I'll never forget my "GET OFF MY BUS" experience down at Ft. Benning. It was back in 2005 but you just never forget it. Getting on that bus at 30th AG down the street and that ride to Sand Hill. Seeing those Drill Sergeants waiting for you. "Toeing the line".....Hahaha.
    Other 11b"s.......Remember the motivation levels we had when we got our crossed rifles, blue cord and graduated Benning? I felt unstoppable coming out of that place. It's a straight up motivation factory. Training hard so that when you met Hadji you put his fucking ass in the dirt. Remember that shit? Fuck....I miss it Bros.
    Remember that feeling in Iraq like being on the tip of the world? Regardless of your experience there....I know you miss that feeling.
    Do you ever cry sometimes thinking about Iraq?.......I do, my wife doesn't know about it.
    Remember those battle buddies who didn't come home? .....Remember getting drunk with them in the barracks before deployment? Seems like everyone else forgot about them huh? We didn't forget, we're still here.
    Crazy mixed feelings about that experience?......Me too.
    Do you still hate POGS?....Me too.
    Don't ever let anyone tell you we didn't win that war. Us Gen X boys stepped up and handled that shit like men....we broke the enemy's will to fight. We did what they asked of us and then they fucked it up. That's on them. Iraq had peace and security when we left. Saddam's Army was defeated, AQI was defeated, Mahdi Army was defeated, the last of the insurgents were cleared out of Diyala and there was no ISIS cause we would of fucked them up too. Regardless of whether we should of been there or what they did after we left.......We won that fight.
    Fuck boomers, millennials and Hadjis.....I can still fill and time a sincgars, decompress and seal a sucking chest wound, set the timing and head space on a .50 cal and ruck march farther than all of them. Most importantly I can out party and out fuck every single one of those weak sauce pussies.
    I'll never for get why the sky is blue and I miss all you boys everyday.......Hooah!

    • @johnlougheed5667
      @johnlougheed5667 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If your a Zoomer and you read this...
      These millennials are weak and fake as fuck. They're so weak and frail that they don't even count as people. Hell, they don't even have sex. Those fruitcakes will ruin the world with their NAZI censorship over "muuuuhhh feelings". We need the Gen X/Zoomer alliance of common sense and balls to defeat their evil hoard of stupid ideas.
      Also, beware of Boomers. Not all of them can be trusted. Many of them sold your future to China for second homes.

    • @hoppes9658
      @hoppes9658 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sand Hilton.

  • @trallicus3758
    @trallicus3758 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Holy shit! I was in those barracks, summer of 2000. Brings back memories....

  • @ursulasmith6402
    @ursulasmith6402 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You brought it, you carry it! I remember well. Class of 92, winter term.

  • @gsmith6171
    @gsmith6171 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is what I remember.... grabbing my bags thinking this is not like videos at the recruiter's office .

  • @reaaron9557
    @reaaron9557 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn this brings back a lot of memories ...I was in A CO 1-50 about to finish AIT same year in December...old BDU's.....good times...

  • @danieltaylor2340
    @danieltaylor2340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I was literally there in sep 04. these were my drill sergeants

    • @josephruiz7233
      @josephruiz7233 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How terrifying were they? 🤣.

    • @malcolmmitchell7207
      @malcolmmitchell7207 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is the day of my birthday. I was born Thursday, September 4th, 1997.

  • @EddieBryant
    @EddieBryant 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was in B 2/47 and I graduated early April 2004, so this would have been the class immediately following mine. How funny to come across this video.

  • @reneerenee3073
    @reneerenee3073 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would of cried, stayed on the bus and hide😂 😂

    • @Experiment632
      @Experiment632 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which would've only delayed the inevitable by maybe a few seconds...

  • @srhanna
    @srhanna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Whenever I am sad and blue, whenever the day is not quite going my way, I can stop here and watch this hilarious and wonderful video and my heart is truly glad!
    I did this in 1981. C co. 1/1 infantry training brigade.

  • @ronsmith9251
    @ronsmith9251 7 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    The new Army has lost that warrior spirit.

    • @ronsmith9251
      @ronsmith9251 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ViVaLaBeaN Yup, sadly discipline is no longer part of the program .

    • @YearZeroNIN
      @YearZeroNIN 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He was lying. I seriously doubt they allow contraband like cell phones during basic. They don't allow cell phones in AIT, either. At least when I went through.

    • @cesarcasti492
      @cesarcasti492 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Know this is an old comment but it’s the typical “bAcK iN mY dAy” garbage. Literally went though this less than a year ago and your comment is pretty far from correct

    • @eduardoescalante1437
      @eduardoescalante1437 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No it hasn't. The shark attacks are worse now. This one i just watched didn't seem like much

    • @edanielssr6113
      @edanielssr6113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ron Smith you are so right they soft

  • @Boricua733
    @Boricua733 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad sergeants are so helpful to get you out of the bus lol

  • @jerrysnyder71
    @jerrysnyder71 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Went to Benning in 82...Harmony Church...Most of our Drill Sgt.'s were Vietnam vets

  • @danthemanhart
    @danthemanhart 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man I remember when I went to benning for the first time as a private. Man was I so freaked scared. But I realize that was the first day of an amazing life

  • @iPepy
    @iPepy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the year I was born. Crazy how last year I went through the same (but also very different) basic training.

  • @ARMYEXERCISE
    @ARMYEXERCISE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great advices: 1.) avoid creating unwanted attention. 2.) observe everything around. 3.) be a team player. 4.) Don't quit / Never give up!

  • @davidmcnutt3607
    @davidmcnutt3607 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I went to basic at Harmony Church in 1983. Same kind of treatment, maybe a bit more profane then. Benning did not have a reception station then. We in-processed at Ft Jackson, then were bussed to Georgia. The bus had a number of stops to discharge some TDY-types. We were the last drop off. Whoo-hoo! Thanks for all the training SSG Ray Czarnecki, and SFC James Moore.

  • @BF6ct
    @BF6ct 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I turned Blue the Fall of 1988
    Gulf War Vet(1st one)
    Purple Heart 1994.
    Hooooaaaaahhhhhh!!!!

    • @hhds113
      @hhds113 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +RankCanBleedToo You do know that's when we were finding out about PTSD was during the Gulf War.

    • @hhds113
      @hhds113 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +RankCanBleedToo You do know that's when we were finding out about PTSD was during the Gulf War.

    • @hhds113
      @hhds113 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** Think again. After the Gulf War is when families and friends notice the difference in those who went over there. Yes it dates further back but never noticed till the 90's.

    • @hhds113
      @hhds113 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** You do know PTSD can come from ANYTHING. Even for civilians. Its not exclusive to vets but to everyone. Cops and Firefighters have a lot as well. And guess what our first job in the Army is infantry. Regardless what your job is. When you are in a combat zone, everyone's combatant. Only those who receives the CIB badges are combat infantry meaning those who went through combat. And don't forget about CAB's too. This bickering of you is so unprofessional and don't respect your fellow vets in arms. If you really did served you would know that.

    • @BF6ct
      @BF6ct 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +RankCanBleedTheres no such thing as PTSD. go tell that fairly tale to the VA and see how far it gets you.

  • @mag1631
    @mag1631 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's nice to find a good Ft Benning video! I was there in 2002.

  • @mercesletifer2509
    @mercesletifer2509 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Not one curse word. No real screaming. No smoke or blank rounds from the 240 or saw. This is not what I went through. Bravo 1/50

    • @ubiquitous1293
      @ubiquitous1293 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +Merces Letifer They were being filmed.

    • @thedragonbroke
      @thedragonbroke 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Merces Letter What year? Out of curiosity.

    • @GODWITHUS0712
      @GODWITHUS0712 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Merces Letifer not one grab and shake or grabbed and thrown to the ground. Memories.

  • @jaredadams5194
    @jaredadams5194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was in Cco 2-19 in 2004, the good ole days. 🤘🤘

  • @bretfan3399
    @bretfan3399 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    E Co. 2-19 4th platoon on Sand Hill, remember my first shark attack, I threw my civy bag out the back door of the bus and it hit a DS's foot, thought I was a dead man

    • @tomservo5347
      @tomservo5347 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      During first week of basic we had our first KP duty. I got stuck washing cookie sheets they'd cooked sausage patties on that had loads of grease and shit stuck to them that would immediately turn water brackish. Drill would walk by and tell me to change water...did it about a dozen times and then got yelled at for taking to long. Got frustrated and threw cookie sheet in water which a few drops splashed onto drill I didn't see. Thought for sure I was a dead man and came to attention expecting a special type of punishment. He only gave me an evil look, said "Nice job private" and walked on. Still don't know why he didn't kill me.

    • @miketate8554
      @miketate8554 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bretfan 33 Delta 2- 19.

    • @MechanizedGhost17
      @MechanizedGhost17 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      E Co 4th plt Jan-April 2016

  • @Avgytbwatcher1765
    @Avgytbwatcher1765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some of these fine soldiers gave the ultimate sacrifice god bless them! look at it now tough 😞

  • @Cuontheflipside72
    @Cuontheflipside72 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was a early 90s soldier never regretted it things have definitely changed since my day

  • @Izzmaxarealthink
    @Izzmaxarealthink 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember basic at Benning in 83. Harmony Church barracks and doing push-ups on Sgt MF (a red painted tree stump surrounded by rocks. You put your boots on the stump and your hands in the rocks and pushed. Good times).

    • @deepwoods-detecting
      @deepwoods-detecting 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      83. Harmony Church - I remember sitting under the barracks and the flash floods

  • @n.i.t.f919
    @n.i.t.f919 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    XDDDD I love how the drill instructor's throw the bags

    • @nicholasenglish7036
      @nicholasenglish7036 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You do not address them as drill instructor, you address them as drill sgt. You call them by their rank because they earned that rank.

  • @TheMonkeyThatDoesYourJobBetter
    @TheMonkeyThatDoesYourJobBetter หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:16 Okay the Drill Sergeants banging on the windows had me completely tearing up. 😂

  • @parasite6302
    @parasite6302 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    At 4:14, kid, don't just stand there, move! Even if you don't know where to go, just move! Funny as hell!

  • @nicholaslamb1262
    @nicholaslamb1262 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just think signing up for the infantry knowing your going to war. This was hell of a time to go through basic training. I went through Benning in 2017

  • @lester9614
    @lester9614 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    ah.. good times.. sure isn't like it used to be

  • @adonisguy3243
    @adonisguy3243 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    US Navy boot camp, San Diego, CA. 1989. a US Navy drill instructor picked us up with a van from the airport. no bus!
    imo, US Navy basic training is the softest bootcamp of the DoD and softer than Coast Guard.

  • @crisn565
    @crisn565 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    14 years later I am shipping out to fort benning Georgia

    • @MagMan4x4
      @MagMan4x4 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      did you make it?

  • @muertesolo
    @muertesolo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now that's the basic training and drill sergeants I remembered. I went tgrough basic back in the 90's. Catlle trucks.

  • @rtm27
    @rtm27 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pulling up in busses? I remember coming in cattle cars in 1993.....and hearing all the DS swearing up a storm.

    • @lflames92
      @lflames92 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Ray Medrano they made us run from reception to the barracks

    • @fendertelecaster8409
      @fendertelecaster8409 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember when we had both our legs broke and had to walk with our hands 500 miles uphill in the snow during a tornado. You had it easy

  • @lovefrompraha
    @lovefrompraha 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really hope they get back to this intensity

  • @GoBuckeyes216
    @GoBuckeyes216 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This isn't how it is anymore. They don't scream as much and the don't grab your bags and throw them. You go to the CTA do a couple push ups, get introduced to your ds's, 1sgt, XO, company commander, get your ta50 gear then be prepared to being doing pt and classroom shit for about 3 weeks

    • @natsusixx2297
      @natsusixx2297 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alpha XO I went through basic in 2016 and they yelled more than this and bags were everywhere

    • @dylanbatchelor9434
      @dylanbatchelor9434 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pussy generation

  • @marcuspayne9744
    @marcuspayne9744 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sand Hill Ft. Benning 1984, brings back memories!

  • @7892rl
    @7892rl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ok, I think they've mastered 'mass transit dismount'.

  • @ghostmedic171TV
    @ghostmedic171TV 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AWWW I was hoping - could it be??? MY cycle?
    Nope :( just a couple months too soon. I was A 1/38 - one with that damn "pilot program" BCT... We were just completing blue phase or heading to AIT by this time. Still though, great upload - fun to watch. Sand Hill will always have a special place in my heart.
    My favorite part will always be on the bus as we finally pulled up to sand hill from reception and saw one of drill sergeants standing by the driveway, wearing a big toothy sadistic grin and enthusiastically waving at a bus load of wide eyed, utterly SILENT recruits.
    And that was the first time I finally thought to myself, "awwww damnit... what have I just got myself into???"
    Rock of the Marne ;D

  • @davidmoorea1961
    @davidmoorea1961 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I graduated INFANTRY OSUT Sand Hill, Ft Bennington, GA C/6/1 ~ Charlie Company, 6th Battalion, 1st Infantry TRNG Bde... DAMN THIS BRINGS MEMORIES ~ was here 1989-1990!

    • @tim8993
      @tim8993 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      David A. Moore year i was born lol

  • @davester1970
    @davester1970 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When they tell you get off the damn bus, you better not take sweet ass time doing so or you will get smoked.

  • @allenwood981
    @allenwood981 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I went in may5 2003 ...god I miss the old army....

  • @jondoe9581
    @jondoe9581 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is the Fort Benning I remember....
    MAKE DRILL SERGEANT S GREAT AGAIN !!!!!
    THIS IS HOW THE ARMY SHOULD BE p-e-r-i-o-d !

  • @NUY3113
    @NUY3113 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bottles of detergent bursting as your duffle is thrown

  • @dwightmcqueen5771
    @dwightmcqueen5771 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a former soldier myself I do feel bad for new soldiers having to work for a very crooked and unjust government that doesn't give 2 shits about any of us

  • @BdogFinal14
    @BdogFinal14 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ahhh, the good ole days.

  • @bredwhite6786
    @bredwhite6786 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1/19 candy land summer of 96 echo company 3rd platoon 18 years old loved every minute of it think about it all the time. I loved basic more than regular army afterwards. I'll never forget turning blue after the 5 mile hike from the field after a.i.t. I love you all my infantry brothers. pick up your weapon and follow me!

    • @Desertharleyrider
      @Desertharleyrider 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      bred white went in August of 1996. Sand Hill, 2/54, Mailed Foot.

  • @renegadegaming6067
    @renegadegaming6067 8 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Army isn't this harsh anymore lol

    • @sb_moviebob4054
      @sb_moviebob4054 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Really ?

    • @midwestboii3551
      @midwestboii3551 8 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Yeah it is. Especially ft benning

    • @renegadegaming6067
      @renegadegaming6067 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      +Franky Saldana maybe it's the videos I watched that were softened for the camera, I realize this statement I made isn't accurate sorry

    • @midwestboii3551
      @midwestboii3551 8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      +RenegadeGaming
      no i didnt take offense.. i was just saying lol
      especially if u watch army vs marine videos you will see whoever made those videos were such marine dick riders because they made all the army parts look so soft with soft music and marine parts with hardcore yelling and heavy metal music

    • @renegadegaming6067
      @renegadegaming6067 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Franky Saldana ya definitely I agree

  • @wesleytom211
    @wesleytom211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn I went through B Co 2/47 10 years ago crazy shit!

  • @mattr.9167
    @mattr.9167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So badass. Thank you for your service.

  • @inadequit
    @inadequit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    oh shit! this was my basic training unit. bravo 2/47 but I just graduated in march

  • @Neptune8
    @Neptune8 8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I'm scared as shit and I haven't even left for inprocessing yet

    • @parasite6302
      @parasite6302 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's ok. It is best to be afraid because that will help you succeed and in the long run, you'll be glad you were afraid and taking it serious. Your cadres (Training and drill sergeants) will see that too and they won't let up by any means, but your fears will help you push yourself. Just a word of advice, stay away from the kids that are being cocky and not at all worried. You'll notice them at the airports when you're in transit. They will be the ones wearing the rodeo t-shirts, sporting a belt buckle the size of championship gold and wearing sunglasses at night, as well as looking like a chipmunk because they have half a can of snoose in the mouth. They will be the ones kicked back with their hands folded behind their heads looking cool and relaxed and they somehow know that you will fuck up, but they will be just fine. These dudes are nothing but trouble and your cadres will close in on them like SEAL Team 6 on Bin Laden, because I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of your cadres will be combat vets as well and nothing, I mean NOTHING, angers combat vets more than a dumbass, wannabe shitkicker recruit who thinks he has more to offer the Army than the Army has to offer him. They will seriously make these dudes and their associates lives a living hell and they will do it in ways that I cannot even describe. If you listen to what they are telling you and avoid these other clowns that I described, you'll fair just fine.

    • @Neptune8
      @Neptune8 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Parasite6 your telling me it's ok to be worried? I'm 25 and never been this anxious since i started high school

    • @parasite6302
      @parasite6302 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That is absolutely what I'm telling you. There is nothing wrong with being afraid to leave for recruit training. It is perfectly normal. When I left for the army (I went to Fort Benning, the same pace these guys are at) I was terrified. I was so spooked that I couldn't eat anything at all, not even in transit and the night before I actually left, I didn't sleep a wink. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being afraid to go to recruit training. Seriously, how many people sign up and volunteer to get screamed at for three months; not too many. Here's the thing, the fact that you are afraid means that you are taking this thing serious, which is the way it should be, because the U.S. Military itself is a corporate entity and the tax payers are the share holders and what is the mission statement of armies? To fight wars; defending the country falls under that category. So considering what the purpose is, this is something that you really do need to take serious and that fear and worry you have is not at all misguided, it is right where it should be and I'm sure you will do just fine.

    • @The85F0X
      @The85F0X 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      good luck but it is nothing like this anymore from what I hear. I went through the same place (infantry basic) in 04. I was in Bco 1/19

    • @tim8993
      @tim8993 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      The85F0X its a bit different, i went through in 2010. Sure its even more different now

  • @jewsjw50
    @jewsjw50 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember in the 70s They would push ya down after exiting the Bus . I am glad I done it the best memories of my Life

  • @masterofsales7655
    @masterofsales7655 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The army died when they decommissioned the green jungle boot.

    • @jonathanhildebrand3896
      @jonathanhildebrand3896 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why you have to ask first XD.

    • @robertm8318
      @robertm8318 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The Army of today is apparently a lot more resilient than the Army of your day. It takes a lot more than getting rid of a style of boot to phase us now. Of course we have been at war longer than any generation in US history, so it shouldn't be surprising that such a trivial thing would so easily phase the part-timers of the past.

  • @raccoonstarsmember
    @raccoonstarsmember 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    💖💖💖 never thought I'd miss this.

  • @markdrake2715
    @markdrake2715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every man should have to experience this. It is a good thing.

    • @davidkiser5250
      @davidkiser5250 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The operative word here is "man" (and I fully agree)

  • @hussite7235
    @hussite7235 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember the first time one of my platoon drill sergeants talked to me.
    "What's your MOS trainee?"
    09S drill sgt (officer candidate)
    He looked me up and down then in the eyes.
    "I'm gonna fuck you up"

    • @DevilAriana
      @DevilAriana ปีที่แล้ว

      Why he say he gonna fuck you up?

  • @andybub45
    @andybub45 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My dad went through BT there. He made Private First Class and had a medical discharge. Sadly, he did not graduate, but he was happy to leave!

  • @davidspann2847
    @davidspann2847 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Memories

  • @CraigSmithII
    @CraigSmithII 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Plus at Ft.Sill or any training facility in general, the DS's have no right to put their hands on you. I've seen some guys get punched & jacked up for no reason. I remember if we felt that a DS or any of the soldiers were mistreated, we reported it. The platoon I was in, we weren't able to report shit. Despite the negative things I endured during my time, I did learn a lot of things, let alone learned a lot about how to deal with different people

    • @TheGorgeramirez
      @TheGorgeramirez 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      thats why the army is getting pussified

    • @CraigSmithII
      @CraigSmithII 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +TheGorgeramirez
      Because of what I had said about the mistreatment?

    • @jasonjohnson3436
      @jasonjohnson3436 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Craig Smith II did the DS hurt your little feelings POG???

    • @CraigSmithII
      @CraigSmithII 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Jason Johnson
      Haha No. It was fact the DS we had at the time,took his job a little too serious. Also when squad members were being mistreated by others & the others reported to them,they didn't do nothing. Regardless if you were in the right,it was their word against yours

    • @TheGorgeramirez
      @TheGorgeramirez 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Craig Smith II come on now you really think you're supposed to be treated nice in thr military? thank you for your service though 😊

  • @sgtsquirtle08xx19
    @sgtsquirtle08xx19 ปีที่แล้ว

    The drills just grabbing the bags and telling em to do push ups has me rolling lolol raaaaah

  • @crashdumbie765
    @crashdumbie765 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was in a few years after this 07 and it was just like this God I miss this mentality now is hugs and kisses.....and how does that make you feel. They are not making soldiers anymore but ill trained therapist. Most my brothers still in don't want to deploy with the new kids.

  • @keltrepes2534
    @keltrepes2534 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shit we had to walk downrange from 30th AG.

    • @stefan18375
      @stefan18375 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kel Trepes yup. Then they threw our bags in a big ass pile once we got to our unit and we had to find them.

    • @Killswitch1411
      @Killswitch1411 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep that's what we had to do as well.. if you were the last few left trying to find your bag, they would announce your ass over the megaphone.

    • @spcnasty9412
      @spcnasty9412 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too. Went to basic in 01. Charle 1/150? I can't remember exactly. I do remember that those old lady cooks made some amazing biscuits and gravy! Went to 1/19 for ait, the breakfast there sucked balls......

    • @Killswitch1411
      @Killswitch1411 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was Bravo 2/19 4th Platoon. We had a pretty dang good breakfast tho.. I always ate way too much for breakfast lol. I remember standing in the chow line being half asleep after being at the range all day or after a long road march.

  • @acatwood11
    @acatwood11 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just went through basic a few months ago, and it was nowhere near this rough when we first arrived. The U. S. Army has indeed gone soft 😢

    • @NarutoOnDope
      @NarutoOnDope 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank political correctness infiltrating the military. it's affected all branches even the Marine Corps.

  • @tickles5289
    @tickles5289 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Heart-warming! ❤️

  • @korporal9533
    @korporal9533 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Ah, the good old days before Manning, political correctness, "gender integration", and transgender sensitivity bullshit...

    • @evil_dave
      @evil_dave 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zeran so much better now. i think maybe you got turned on by the big bad men yelling at you back then lol

  • @00andrescab00
    @00andrescab00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @2:12 Drill Sgt almost ate that duffle bag!! Lmao!
    @4:24 his reaction when he realizes he threw the duffle at his drill sgt Lmao!

  • @mastersgt.jefferyhitchens8035
    @mastersgt.jefferyhitchens8035 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i was there. i didnt do push ups because the drill sargents knew i was really tough and they didnt wanna mess with me. i was best in class and soon was ranked up higher then them.

  • @rmb689
    @rmb689 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    nothing like Parris Island semper fi

    • @bittyrock
      @bittyrock 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      raymond Birkenfeld Truth Brother - Semper Fidelis

    • @shlacked2690
      @shlacked2690 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      rm B it’s barely harder lol

    • @GODWITHUS0712
      @GODWITHUS0712 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      rm B nothing like Fort Benning the real Infantry
      This We'll Defend

    • @spcnasty9412
      @spcnasty9412 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Isn't Paris island where the POG marines go for boot? ; )

    • @M60gunner1971
      @M60gunner1971 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I read they sell more condoms at Parris Island than anywhere.

  • @RotNcroch
    @RotNcroch 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember this day! fun fun fun

  • @mikevasquez3949
    @mikevasquez3949 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bravo 2/47 4th Platoon Punishers 2006!!!! lol Damn I don't miss Sand Hill or Stairway to heaven. R.I.P. Old Army

  • @bighaas435
    @bighaas435 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE those BDU's. To me it signifies bad assery

  • @MiguelMartinez-el1le
    @MiguelMartinez-el1le 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember the food being good af at the chow hall lol

  • @MGCOHN
    @MGCOHN 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Proud to be of the BDU generation, basic 2004…wouldn’t change a thing these men built Soldiers.

  • @tko4152
    @tko4152 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember this shit 2/58 INF Delta Company Fort Bennington May 1989 still fresh like it was yesterday

  • @hankhound
    @hankhound 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did that at Benning in 06, good fun. These bros had been awake 36hrs at least before this