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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ต.ค. 2017
- Welcome to the 888MF TH-cam channel. In this video we compare two supercars that on paper are very similar. The Ferrari 488 GTB and the McLaren 650S Coupe.
They both have a V8 twin turbo engine, similar power outputs, rear wheel drive, dual clutch gearboxes and use the latest technology, but how similar do they feel to drive?
BTW the seats in the 650S were fitted after I bought the car and they came from a 675LT, hence the logo on the seat.
Feel free to follow me on Instagram: @888MF
Thanks to Elliott Cole for being our guest driver:
elliott-cole.com
Thanks to Ahmet Ali for letting us loose in his Ferrari 488 GTB.
Finally, thanks to Tim Foster for filming:
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NB: These videos take a lot of time to plan, film and edit. So please support us and subscribe.
Camera used: Panasonic GH5
Lens: Leica
Microphone: Rode Video mic
Software: FCPX
Music: Audio Network - Mars - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
The 488 is amazing!!
This channel will explode with quality like that. Thoroughly enjoyed that, its good to listen to people who actually own these cars and live with them day to day.
Thanks
This channels production is amazing, thankyou for taking the time to make these
Thanks
No worries 🙌🏼
How comes there's 675lt engraved on the 650s' seats
Because they weren't purchased from new. I need to have them re-trimmed but haven't had time to do that yet. They are super for the 650S. Very comfortable and very light.
That was super helpful, thank you! Fast forward a number of years, and you're right -- the Ferrari F8 changed the front spoiler and added way more down force -- similar to the Pista. I love the doors and speed of the McLaren, I love the looks and the slightly better comforts (I'm tall) in the 488. Either one seems fantastic. So.....I just bought the 488 and am awaiting delivery! Thanks guys!
Quality video. Appreciate the content. Commentary is interesting and honest. Continued success for your channel
Honestly best vid i have seen this whole week!well done keep it up love it!!:)
Maybe you haven't seen many videos :)
The quality of this video is astonishing. Keep them coming mate!
Thank you!
Watched this last night after the pub, had to watch it again today, brilliant video, more of he same please Mark!
Was it better before or after a few pints? :)
888MF equally as good, it's just that I can remember what I have watched now.
Well done review. Excellent photography and editing. Thoughtfuls analysis. As good or better than many other professional auto reviewers . Please keep up the good work. Very enjoyable to watch.
Thanks for the positive feedback David. Makes us want to put out more videos.
If you are a real supercar driver you buy a Mclaren. If you want to show the world how thick is your bank account (overdraft or not) you get a Ferrari or a Lamborghini. That is what defines character.
Great video, loved the opening cinematography, sets the precedence for a great video.
Thank you
You boys are on your A game. Amazing video 🔥🔥
Thanks!!
Quality is amazing. Feel that many thoughts have gone into this! Thank you
Thanks for the feedback. We worked hard to improve all aspects of the video. Glad you enjoyed it. Please subscribe.
Nicely done Mark 😀650S for me. I prefer the sound, it's better and less tiresome when you need it to be, it's more comfortable and the possibility of being off boost means a 650S can easily top 30mpg meaning it's the true modern supercar, good to the environment, quiet, comfortable and faster than anything else. The 488 is holding on to the past and does not move anything forward, it's not a game changer like the McLaren.
Thanks for the feedback. I wouldn't be so harsh on the Ferrari. The engine develops 661bhp and is very seamless. the aero is also very clever which means no need for a large rear spoiler. I personally prefer the ride of the McLaren and the feeling of the turbo lag, before it takes off.
888MF turbo lag is not a good thing. Even though both cars use twin-turbocharged engines, the Ferrari is tuned perfectly to where the lag is virtually non-existent. Not so on a 650S.
I prefer the dramatic acceleration of the 650S
I like the turbo boost feeling of the 650s i drove in one and omg the turbo boost feeling is ridiculous
Hi there, you have the best or one of the best youtube channel for sports car :) This video was so amazing and the background of them driving by the water and landscape was just Amazing. Thank you for all the amazing videos, have fun and be safe. Merry Christmas brother. And thanks to all the car owners for letting see your Sports car in action : )
That name again it's 888mf. Back with another belter. My Luftwaffe
Thanks my squirrel
We need to compare to the 720S.
TGE TV - Nice seeing someone not as cocky or arrogant
What a terrific video. Well done.
Thank you
Amazing video!
Keep it up !
Thank you!!
Keep up the great work guys!
Thanks
Much better on-screen chemistry with Elliot. Epic vid too.
Thanks. Elliot may be invited back for another video.
lapamful thank you! It’s easy to relax into it working with someone like Mark!
So, most of the time in these comparisons, ferrari is not the best car but they pick ferrari because it's a ferrari....
Luís Takashi ... right...and?
and what??
Hey can’t blame a dude for following his heart.
Awesome video...Ferrari
Owned them both. Both great cars but as an overall package the 488 is the winner imo .
Yes, both great cars. But so different to drive.
Why is the 488 better? Did you have problems with the 650s? And which is more reliable 650s or 570s?
Great video! Hopefully a drag race soon?
Thanks. These cars are very similar in power and don't think a drag race would show much.
very dramatic music.......great! I've seen Elliot on vids before, a worthy guest of your channel. My sincere apologies Mark, but it's Ferrari for me. Although, granted having not driven either, it's purely based on childhood conditioning! Mclaren deserve credit for what they have produced in their short history. Super vid, Sir.
Thanks for the feedback. Once you drive a McLaren you may be surprised at how good it is!
Thank you, that’s really kind!!
Nice vid Marky Mark
Thanks Andy
Great vid guys. With McLarens, are they all hardtop convertible? And when the roof is down can you still see the engine through the glass screen? That's one thing I don't like about the 458/488 spiders, you can't see the engine, not even when the roof is up.
great video
Great vid, quality is very impressive. One thing I observed though, why do the 650s seats have 675lt on the headrest?
Thanks Terry. I found the standard seats uncomfortable so sourced some full carbon seats from a 675LT. I will be having them re-trimmed to remove the 675LT badging soon.
Well done!
Concur....last time. Good man 😊😊😊
488 everyday and twice on a Sunday
675lt seats?
Yes, and steering wheel
is it possible to spec a 720 s with the LT seat then?
I was just about to ask ! 😂
Don't think 675LT seats are compatible with 720S but you could order the 650S from new with bucket seats
Ya I think it’s an option to get the 675lt seats in a 650s
Ferrari, no doubt!
man you are sooo good...!!!
Good quality video
I have a 991.2 gt3 and thinking about a change to a 991.2 gt3 or a 488, any advice
The 991.2 GT3 RS is the one you should consider. You can see my review of it on the channel alongside the GT2 RS.
@@888mf4 many thanks for the reply and will take a look. Thanks again, and great channel
The Ferrari please.
488 for me but then I am biased as I own one
Prefer the McLaren especially with their supercar doors
i just bought a 488. What does the turbo button do?
M8 this channel deserve more subscriber
Thanks. Let's hope with time it will increase.
It'd be the McLaren for me, looks a lot better too. When the McLaren was revving a bit, I got thinking about which one of your cars has the best sound? Maybe a video idea?
The McLaren has now done 9000 miles and the exhaust is sounding better each day.
great video....very informative and engaging....Ferrari looks prettier but at this moment in time you can pick up a 650 S convertible with 7/8k miles on it for 105k....the Ferrari is much more expensive ....closer to 175k so it makes it a no brainer... the MC Claren wins all day...
Quite nice the AP watch men
650s for sure. 488 is great, but...
Amazing video. The sound and quality are both fantastic.
I come from HK. I own a 458 Italia and glad to know that the 488 feels like an NA engine which I always prefer in terms of the seamlessly power and better engine sound.
I do agree with you that the front of 488 is not aggressive enough but I am not a fan of the rear look of McLaren but it always has an aggressive front look.
One thing I would like to know is the riding feel of the least aggressive driving mode of the two cars since most of the time I drive gently (I always switch on the bumpy road mode of my 458)
I hope you could compare the 458 speciale to the Lambo LP610-4 or even the new Huracan Performante.
Again, thank you so much for the great video :)
Welcome to my TH-cam channel. I am glad you enjoyed the video. Both cars have good suspension. The Ferrari has the bumpy road setting which is good and the McLaren has the sophisticated independent hydraulic suspension which is one of the main reasons I bought the car. I agree the rear of the 650S looks a little dated, but that's only because they made the 675LT rear look so good!!!! More videos to come, don't worry.
I did not know they had a bumpy road mode wow wow wat it does
great video on the Mclaren seats it says 675?
See above
Mclaren performs way better and im literally not lying. It pulls 10 cars away after overtaking the 488 in 1/2 mile. Sometimes its not everything about the looks and name.
Yet the 488 beats the 650s around the track and even 675 in some cases
I can't speak for the 650S but I traded in my McLaren 12C for a 488 and while I can't explain the science; I can say that I'm very very very very happy with that upgrade (oh yes, I used the u word) and maybe the 12C is a very different car from the 650S (I'm sure it is) but I love the Ferrari 488. Again, not having driven the 650S, so take it with a huge grain of salt. I will give some talking points in terms of reliability. The 12C, on my first day with the car, in the rain, had the wiper motor fail (they issued a recall only good in some states) and it had constant squeaks from the frunk. The carbon fiber in the car had all discolored from just a few sunny days beating down on it, and the trim is not covered by the McLaren warranty. Speaking of warranty, the McLaren warranty explicitly forbids driving the car on a track (it voids the warranty). It's a race car. It needs to be on the track. It deserves to be on the track. But me, a poor boy from a poor family, couldn't wrap my head around tracking it. The frunk also had some frunk seal issues which allowed moisture to get in. The fit and finish just wasn't as good, IMHO, as the Ferrari. Also, the Iris system in the McLaren (the center console stereo/nav/thing) constantly flickered, doesn't support Apple CarPlay, and... is a running joke amongst McLaren owners because if you try to do a call and have something in the nav or on bluetooth, you're basically going to have to pick because the system requires constant resetting. And yes, the 488 does come with Apple CarPlay and while it's a tiny point... It's nice to have that convenience you get from a Honda Civic. ;-)
Ferrari hands down 😍
Said to say but, Brits prefer Mclaren, rest of the world would take Ferrari any day!
I am sorry but you are wrong. McLaren’s largest market is still North America, which takes up around 37% of the brand’s output.
Mclaren I would take I’m in nz Bruce mclarens home country
Anyone would take an F1 over any Ferrari
888MF that doesn’t prove him wrong? How many Ferrari’s sell in the US. If more Ferrari’s sell then the US prefers Ferrari’s and your point is mute.
@@ryanwaugh1 that's not how this works. You compare by ratio. There are waaay fewer McLarens that exist compared to Ferrari. They've been pumping out road cars forever and McLaren only really got involved with the 12c late 2011. People would rather a Ferrari because they know what it is. Any ill informed person that doesn't know much about cars would say they'd choose a Lamborghini, Ferrari, or Rolls-Royce because those are names that pretty much everyone knows. On the other hand, McLaren is a company that's just starting out and doesn't have much popularity due to it only being made recently. I'd take a McLaren over a Ferrari any day but because McLaren pumps out new models all the time to grow their consumer market their cars depreciate rapidly as a result. If you're looking for a car that retains value and can expect the money back you've spent choose Ferrari. However, if you're only interested in pure performance and ambitious prestige choose McLaren.
Thanks with delay gentlemen !!
Heart always wins ;)
hanningfield reservoir! good camerawork! 10mins from my house dammit
lol! sorry just saw this. great content BTW
Awesome video....#FERRARI
Amazing clips and i appreciated your honesty comparing the two cars. Also i agree with you, the front of the 488 is light and "meh", i prefer the 650s on that, but the 488 back is perfect (btw the rosso corsa is so so boring)
Thanks for the feedback
Andre Tennis "the 488 front is light and meh". Yeah, sure. thanks for your feedback, we'll let Ferrari know.
The front is beautiful, but i respect that some people disagree, and those people dont need to worry about mclaren vs ferrari since given the opportunity they would chose a Lambo anyway
Ploffy Kha Lambos are for poor drivers who need an awd. No existing pro-driver has ever chosen a Lambo as a private car. They basically all go for Ferrari.
Andre Tennis ... that’s because you’ve never walked into your garage, turned on the light and seen rosso corsa.
The McLaren for me . I prefer the looks noise and the fact that it isn’t an Italian red car (the obvious choice).
488 but the 650 is right up there!
If one considers the price delta between the two cars at current market values, its tough to choose the 488 over the 650s in terms of performance and this is coming from a Ferrari owner
I totally agree. I went for the 650S and I love it.
Great video just dial it down a bit with that apocalyptic music
I love the music, but we will use something different for each video
You deserve more subscribers!
why do you have LT seats in your Mclaren?
Hi Harry. I had a cervical disc replacement in April 2017 and after I bought the car I didn't find the standard seats comfortable. So I sourced some full carbon 675LT seats. I find them extremely comfortable and they are much lighter than the standard seats. I will have the seats re-trimmed soon and remove the 675LT logo.
seats? 675LT?
488 is just that little bit better for me. And the McLaren will likely depreciate much more.
plz do a head to head drag race with these cars if you can
It is very hard to get a track or airfield.
McLaren cuz the Ferrari is too common, you seen them everywhere. also the way the mclaren doors open are so cool so mclaren for me.
I’ve owned both and I completely agree with the guys… as I still own a 488 Spider
Nice video I always appreciate your videos but if you ask me that question I would say heart between the two Ferrari , this is my opinion is engineered that is why it’s a drivers car
Thanks
Humble
I want to see a comparative teste!
What does that mean?
888MF I want to see numbers, acelerations, speed, comparison....
We stated top speed and bhp. This was more about how different each car feels.
Both of them are in my garage 😎
What about the differences in steering feel?
I found the McLaren to be more direct than the 488, but I am looking forward to seeing if the 488 Pista gets the steering spot on
More direct in the speed of the rack or in feel?
Amazing video as always! Its really difficult to choose between these two cause I like both of them. I think I'll take the 650S.
Me too!
Oh, that Ferrari sounds fantastic.
Great video... please turn DOWN the music so we can hear the cars!
Why does it have 675 on the seats ?
Because the seats were sourced from a 675LT
Both lovely cars, but one will break down more often than Britney Spears. Lovely vid!
Does anybody like the McLaren or is it only me who would pick it??
I love McLaren's i don't know why they hate McLaren's is because it's British car?
Hard choise love mclaren door but ferrari is good tho
Having had a McLaren (albeit the 12C) and now having the Ferrari 488; I can't speak to the 650S but I can say that the Ferrari is a much much more fun car to drive. Ironically, from a looks perspective, the 12C got a lot more attention, more photos taken by people, the car was an attention getter. The rear end and it's Blinky locky lights were fantastic and that big dynamic wing were very fun. The 488, in contrast, doesn't attract much attention. I picked the McLaren 12C over my old Ferrari 458 and while the car is technically better, in almost every single way, I ended up trading in the 12C on a 488 and going back to Ferrari. I have never been a Ferrari fan boy but I will say that there were quality issues at McLaren that will keep me nervous about going back and getting another McLaren anytime soon. Those included navigation failure, wiper motor failure (in the rain), fit and finish squeaks, suspension lifter lockout (failed on hot days). I have never had a single issue with either the 458 or 488. They are rock solid in terms of quality. Just sharing my experience but I agree that the McLaren is a great looking car and technically brilliant.
Why do the seats say 675lt
I prefer the look of the 650 in that colour.
Thanks. It is titanium silver and I love it.
Love the Ferrari however 650s is a great car - head over heart
no contest, definitely when the cars are so close I would go for the Ferrari for its emotional connection. I also happen to think its a much better looking car if not as beautiful as the 458 was
I currently own a 650S Spyder...Lamborghini Huracan coupe prior to the Mclaren and a Ferrari 458 coupe prior to the Huracan. The 650S is the better track car on both Road Atlanta and the Daytona Rolex course. The Mclaren is so precise, predictable, AND forgiving. You can just drive the hell out of it, throw it into the apex, and out you fly under full power!
Hard not pick Ferrari over any car , but for a track car I would reluctantly have to take the McLaren .one thing you must keek in mind that at this stage there are people that are not “ Car guys “ that unfortunately have a lot of say on how this cars are sold to costumers , one result is reason they are using turbocharged engine , they have to , McLaren on the other hand wants to use a turbo engine , anyone can build a 600 hp turbo engine , but take the turbos away and who do you have ? , not many left in the ring. It’s a shame the Ferrari will not produce aspirated V12s anymore .
I'm confused, Elliot said the roadholding was night and day in favor of the Ferrari in the video footage then at the end seems like he is saying handling and change of direction is best with Mclaren but Ferrari is more emotional. 🤔 Also, curious if you guys did any rolling drag races between them, because although he doesn't come out and say so, Elliot seems to give us the impression the 488 is faster, however, although extremely close, in published 1/4 mile figures for the two the 650S is usually a tenth or two better with a very slight MPH gain on it as well.
The Ferrari and McLaren are nearly identical. 0-60mph in 3s and 0-100mph in 5.7s. Elliot concluded that the Ferrari had more of an emotional pull for him, despite the fact that the McLaren had better downforce. Thanks for watching.
Is the gt3rs joining toms cars in the sea to get a 488
I am not selling either of my GT3 RS 4.0
888MF either ?? How many you got ?
Two!! Black & White.
Ferrari - McLaren change their cars too often - the 650S feels like quite an old car now (because of the above)
Totally disagree with you. The technology in the McLaren is way ahead of its time. Carbon tub, real wheel brake steer, active aero, air brake, silky adjustable suspension and dihedral doors. I prefer it to the sports series as the suspension is more refined.
888MF Never driven either, so can’t comment on the drives - but as a passer-by, McLarens obsession with changing their cars every 2 minutes just makes anything other than the current one ‘look’ old - sorry !! The 650S in McLaren terms is quite old design language now. (Still love your car though, Dude, and would happily have one)
Why play music over the exhaust when your your specifically showcasing the exhaust note.
Why does it say 675lt on the seat ?
Read above comments.
Why do your seats say 675LT?
See above comments
650S? I'm confused...the seat back (head rest) says 675LT? Great vid though!
Glad you enjoyed the video. The seats were taken from a 675LT, but it is a 650S.
Thanks for the clarification...and i did enjoy the video and the two of you as presenters etc. So I subscribed...Drive on... :-)
Ferrari all the way, sorry to say that. Good video
He says that it's a 650s but in the seat stitching it says 675lt
the MP4 - 458 and 650s - 488 are strange, the ferrari lost some soul while the mclaren starting finding one
Why does the headrest say 675LT? - 5:23
Why is this the most asked question?! I had a cervical disc replacement in April. I bought the car with the standard sports seats and found them very uncomfortable so I sourced some used 675LT full carbon bucket seats. I just haven't removed the logo yet as I need the whole seat re-trimmed.
Everything you said is true. I made my comment with a hint of sarcasm. 👍
Ferrari 488 GTB
already bought the Ferrari =]