Fabulous video John! I’ve owned a 540c a 570s Spider and a 720s Spider, all from new. Pretty poor ownership experience but wonderful driving experience, particularly with the 720. All suffered from corrosion but only the sport series had electrical glitches. Not sure if I’m brave enough to buy another one, although I am tempted by the 750s Spider….we’ll see. If I do get one, I’ll be coming to see you. Cheers!
Totally agree. I drove a 570S about 400 miles and it really made me appreciate my buddies 12C. The chassis, suspension and active aero of the 12C clearly makes it superior.
Exactly my view on 12C - 650S, around 5% and like you prefer 12C front end. 650S gearbox mapping slightly quicker and extra torque is noticeable. 12C rides better though. Also agree with 675LT, in fact it feels like a completely different car to drive than the other P11 cars. Bumpy B roads are not that bad, much better than Porsche GT cars by a long way. Turning circle is its quirk, I like the fact its not that great, like reversing a Countach every supercar should have a quirk. Sports series do feel better at first, up to 40mph, they feel slightly more alert, so on a test drive you will feel instantly like its a great car, however go a bit faster and live with the car a bit longer and the P11 cars win for me as they just come alive at higher speeds so agree with the 85. Also P11 cars have a large analogue tacho and a single wiper, for me that instantly makes it feel so much more special than the sports series and even 720s. The 720S is a great car, absolutely adore them but for me they lack the ultimate feedback and visceral nature of the 675LT. I need that on the road, even if the trade off is its a bit more bumpy, that final bit of feel and control makes all the difference to my enjoyment. There isn't a bad McLaren and I think your points are spot on for an average driver on an average road but if you crave that little extra the LT cars come into their own but that's not for everyone.
Obviously you haven't factored in cost of ownership from new which sadly is a big factor with McLarens. Agree with most of what you have said and generally newer is better but for me, and I might be biased, the pinnacle car is the 675LT Spider. Don't get me wrong the 720S Spider is epic and can out perform it but it doesn't have anything like the feel or engagement IMHO. McLaren absolutely nailed it with the 675LT because it was over engineered for its price point to launch the LT sub brand. Also being the first LT and limited to just 500/500 it will be a future classic guaranteed. 5 years later there is still not a car out there that can replace it for me even when spending £500k. 675LT Spider is still the KING OF SUPERCARS and gets a score of 250 from me
The problem with factoring cost in is that different markets have different pricing and as a lot of our followers are overseas now it would be hard to factor a choice based on performance adding in cost that might not be relevant.
Interesting perspective and review :) Scores will depend on personal preference. I would argue (as you also point out) that the sports series cars are more intimate and rewarding to drive (vs 12C/650S/720S) and in my book should have a much higher score if this is a priority when buying. The 570S/675LT and 600LT are the McLaren models that have won "best drivers car" competitions. I agree the super series are more competent overall with a wider dynamic range and have more tech. I don't agree the performance being a factor between sports and super series (except 720/765). You score 570S almost half the 675LT due to active aero and performance but real world performance is virtually identical, both 10.3 sec quarter mile, top speed 1mph apart (the LT aero does not make a huge diff as the 650 tops out at only 2mph higher). In fact all 3.8 McLarens have virtually identical acceleration, 12C (with 625hp update) "slowest" at 10.5 quarter mile and 675LT/570S fastest at 10.3s 100% stock. 720 makes the first major leap. On track sports series cars are perhaps a bit slower mainly due to narrower tires from the factory and to some extent aero. I agree all McLarens are great cars and for someone who wants tech, comfort and speed super series (especially the 720S) should have top scores but for someone who just wants the purest most engaging driving experience in a modern supercar I would score 570S, 600LT, 675LT over a 720S. Cheers and keep up the great work! :)
Thats fair enough of course and you're right, on the road they do feel pretty similar in normal use, but the 720 does need some time to realise its different level, they are too easy to drive lazily and over the course of a few drives people dont get to push them as hard as they can be to unlock it all.
Thank you so very much for this. I do believe you, coming from a mclaren specialist with such extensive experience, and for the number of cars you drive and own, shows a lot of weight in this. not many have the opportunity to drive so many versions and especially since you get to drive the different cars back to back as a road car after servicing etc. so your opinion is not taken lightly. Please do consider updating this series esp it has been 2 years now to include others that are not mentioned as yet. and if i could dare ask, also compared as a road car to other makes like the porsche, ferraris, lotus, alpines etc too. of course those you feel you can compare to. Noting, you are being very fair to say you only comment on those you have enough exprience on. thank you for this.
We are looking to update it now as I've more time in the GT and 600LT as well as the 765LT. However I'd like to do some comparison with the Artura and 750, but that needs McLaren to lend me a car and I cant see that happening
Great comparison though I’d had added +10 to any of the spiders! Going from a coupe to spider for me was huge improvement. I agree my 12c was beautiful but I’ll disagree that there 650 is barely different. For me it was a lot better. The iris 2 works (at least it works lol) but the updates and small changes imo made a nice update. Next one will be 675LT
Artura is still a bit new to get any real data on it as a second hand buy, initially all the news was bad so we recommend to avoid the model entirely but am now trying to collect real world data from owners on usage and its looking a little more positive, but still collecting data.
@@ThorneyMotorsport Much appreciate your reply. Based on your (admittedly preliminary) answer, it seems unlikely to top the score of a 720s. Do you think that is correct?
@@ThorneyMotorsport Yeah…. I sort of guessed that from your earlier response 😂. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work. It’s much more useful than most other reviews!
Dude... you need to get a much better mic. But this is a great video! But would have to highly disagree that there is NO WAY in hell that the 12C is on par with the 600LT. The 600LT is much sharper, feels lighter, steering is better, is faster and shifts A LOT faster than the 12C which shifts lazily. My old GTI DSG shifts faster than the 12C and it's a glaring weakness. I would take a 600LT over the 12C or 650S any given day of the week. But the 600LT is more of a track car and not as street friendly as the 12C/650S.
I agree 100%. I have driven everything he has mentioned and a 600LT is by far the best of them all and a 675LT is up there is well. Any LT is a different car entirely from other McLarens. A mechanics opinion I would appose it 100%.
Always enjoy your videos. I will be a McLaren owner one day, but so far have only tested a couple - the 570s and 720s, and while it was clear the 720s was the quicker car I couldn't help but feel that it was the less involving and I think I actually preferred the road manners of the 570s...it just felt more enjoyable. Taking delivery of an Emira soon, but after a few years I will be in the market for a convertible 570s, or perhaps the 600LT...given your fantastic reputation for independent servicing and retail I will be in touch closer to the time.
@@executiveinvestments haha...indeed, there is no denying the classification differences between the two, but as a non-racing driver I prefer that I feel like I can be in charge of a 570 on the road...and it feels the more raw driving experience, where a 720s feels like it is has more control and the driving feel is therefore more lacking...depends if you want to just look at your car and play top trumps with it, or drive it...just my humble opinion, as much as you are entitled to yours. Happy motoring.
@@Kentviking 570 more raw? What? Literally the opposite. Just because the 720 is more comfortable to drive has nothing to do with it lacking feel. The 570 feels like a toy.
@@executiveinvestments will have to agree to disagree. I don't own either vehicle but have tested both and this is my humble, honest and independent opinion...each to their own. you clearly prefer the 720, which is a cracking vehicle, but it would not be my choice for my usage and the way in which I attain my enjoyment from driving.
Brilliant video John and big thanks as I’m torn between 12c spider and 570gt partly because Id be coming across from an Aston V8V and love the “GT” usability however the twin use of folding roof sounds great to me. If I may, I was thinking of popping into chat over all my thought process and see where we get. Reliability would be my biggest concerns Thanks.
It's the question we get a lot, which model is the most reliable and as I say in the video, there isn't one, it's all down to how it's been treated or looked after. But happy to chat mclarens whenever you like
Hi John, I keep hovering over your website as I am seriously tempted by either a 570S or a 650S (ideally a spider so I can appreciate the amazing all year round UK weather 😂😂). There are obviously pros and cons to both, but would you say overall the 650s is the better buy? (I appreciate it is subjective).
I have a set of questions I usually ask those looking to buy and are unsure; are you more interested in technology or age of vehicle? The Super series cars (12c, 650s, 720) are of a higher technical nature and build with active aero and active suspension so are naturally the 'better' car in the regards of capability, but the sports series cars (570, 540) are newer so have improvements to things like software, some function and simple age. I own a 570s (albeit massively modified) but the 12c/650 is the 'better' road car due to its active suspension. They all handle the same but the ride is better in its softest mode compared to a sports series. There is no better or worse, simply what is more suited to your requirements.
@SilverstoneShootingCentre thank you very much for the reply. The car will be used for every day use and unlikely to be taken to a track. It won't necessarily be my daily driver (I have a Taycan Turbo S for that purpose), however I am not the type to leave it sitting in a garage gathering dust either. I do like tech in a car, however I would probably not be too fussed in either of these, as it is not great in either of them apparently. I am the type to like to listen to the sound of the engine and intake more than music anyway, so am I right in thinking the 650S probably has the better sound with or without the sports exhaust? I believe you probably can offer a better exhaust at point of sale anyway, which no doubt is better acoustically than McLarens. I am swaying in the direction of the 650s to be honest as I think it looks better and I like the active aero etc. Is the warranty still the same price for both the 650s and 570s with yourselves? Thanks 🙂.
So are these differences just a swag number? 100 to 150 means is 50% better? Is 50% overall or 50% of some other aspect? Trying to understand the scoring system.
@@weho_brianit’s not true. He doesn’t know what he is talking about and likely never owned one or someone he knows one a 650. 650 is old tech and 570 is far superior and better every way
All of them are fine, some models are better suited to longer distance with more storage, the 570GT for example and some more suited to track driving, the 600LT and 675LT for example, but all can handle daily work, commutes etc with no issues.
Not very convinced by the scoring system. You gotta say why a bit more. The oddity for example is the 600lt. Every other review sees the 600 as a near peer for the 675, in fact beating it on some accounts. Yet the 650s betters it here. So explain why? Acceleration. Nope. Handling. Nope. 'fun factor' nope. Put it this way. 650s and 600lt at same price what would someone pick. I think the 600 gotta score between the 650 and the 675. I think you simply couldn't bring yourself to increase the gap so much from the 570. But this isn't a proportional system based on actual metrics else the 675 would be 50% faster than the 650 which it isn't. Clearly you are saying 50% 'better' which IS possible but then if you are going to be consistent using a non metricised system then it's no problem giving the 600lt a score of day 140 which is saying it is twice as 'good' as a 570s which it could easily be.
If every other review sees the 600LT as near peer as the 675LT then I'm going to suggest that the other reviewers are all mindless idiots, sorry. Its just not the case, the 675LT is a super series (active aero, active suspension) track focussed car without any peer in the McLaren line up, save for the 765LT. The 720 is ultimately quicker on certain tracks that flatter its power but the 675LT is the track winner. The 600LT is no doubt fun to drive, is very capable on track and would again be more entertaining than a 650 or even 720 on track but its in not in the same league as a road car. The Super series cars maybe older but the active suspension is night and day better and more variable in use than the sports series cars for road use, which was ultimately the purpose of the review - as road cars.
@@ThorneyMotorsport I like the mindless idiots comment. 🤣 You missed the whole point of my comment though. Either your system is based on metrics e.g. top speed /acceleration / cornering G etc, , OR, it's based on a car being generally "better" in a qualitative sense. If you used the former (metricised) then the 675 Vs 650 doesn't make sense as the 675 is simply not close to 50% in measurable performance terms. If the latter (qualitative) then the 675/650 scoring CAN very much make sense as a "good" or "bad" car is not purely metrics driven- indeed the mindless idiots you refer to seem to agree with you on the 675/650 comparison. BUT then if it is qualitative scoring, well the 650/600 scoring doesn't make sense. Yes we all know the super/sports series technical differences but seeing as we're going qualitative to make sense of the 675/650 numbers then there's no reasonable way to suggest that one would put the 650 as a better car than the 600. Once again the proof is in the pudding - same price point would you swap your 600lt for my 650s? Pretty sure you'd tell me to go f....... 675 Vs 600? Different story (notice I didn't suggest scoring the 600 above the 675) So I like the attempt at a novel way of scoring and within each series the numbers make ok sense but because it seems to conflate between qualititive and quantitative systems at a whim it's bound to create anomalies which to me the 600lt scoring exposes.
@Hyena anyone who bases their measurements of cars on 'metrics' is either a math geek or needs to get out more 🤔. I would take a 650 over a 600 same price as a road car every day, track car then the 600. Its not about metrics it's about what the car does and how.
@@ThorneyMotorsport you missed my point yet again I did not suggest you use metrics. I'm saying either you based on metrics or you didn't, but neither route makes your relative scoring sensible to me. But what further can I say after you have concluded you'd take a 650 over a 600.
Would Catted downpipes do anything to hurt reliability of a 675LT? I had MSO titanium and Catted 300 cell downpipes on my former 570S and loved the sound
We've approx 20-30 or so with 50-60k miles, approx 10 or so with 80k+ miles and 4-5 with over 100k miles. We did have one owner who had 140k miles on it but he sold it so not sure where that is now, he lived in Austria and commuted to Spain!
@ThorneyMotorsport thank you. Its a decision rite now between a brand new corvette stingray or a 85k mp4 12c with 43k on the clock...they both will cost the same insurance and the McLaren with be just a couple more dollors a month. Btw i do my own maintenance so im hoping if i do pull the trigger on the McLaren parts are still available for a long time ....also whatever i chose WILL NOT BE A GARAGE QUEEN 🙂
It's down to how McLaren make their carbon disks, they simply don't last very long when used on track, especially when compared with carbons from Porsche for example.
Oh, no! I decided I want a 570GT (I like the overall idea and how the GT version looks)- now you're telling me it has the lowest 'score'! Well, a couple years after this vid in 2024 there are the Artura, the GT (I, again, like the overall idea, but I don't like the looks this time) and the 750S. I assume the 750S is the best McLaren in 2024, right?
I have a Porsche Turbo for the road looking for a more raw driving experience on the road, what do you think about the 620 R, just taking it around my favorite curved road ? Thanks
They are not slow!! The 570s is quicker in the 1/4 than 675 LT no? The 675 LT just had more grib and better aero which is why it's slower than the 570s at least in a straight line. See shmee150 video showing his 675LT losing every time to a 570s. Cheers
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"Marginally less shit" 😂 - that is the sort of consumer advice we need and why you are respected Sir.
Fabulous video John! I’ve owned a 540c a 570s Spider and a 720s Spider, all from new. Pretty poor ownership experience but wonderful driving experience, particularly with the 720. All suffered from corrosion but only the sport series had electrical glitches. Not sure if I’m brave enough to buy another one, although I am tempted by the 750s Spider….we’ll see. If I do get one, I’ll be coming to see you. Cheers!
Superb comparison. Personally I’d love a 650S Spider. 105 would do me just fine.
Totally agree. I drove a 570S about 400 miles and it really made me appreciate my buddies 12C. The chassis, suspension and active aero of the 12C clearly makes it superior.
Great video... Extremely helpful as I've been looking at both 12C and 650S recently.
Exactly my view on 12C - 650S, around 5% and like you prefer 12C front end. 650S gearbox mapping slightly quicker and extra torque is noticeable. 12C rides better though. Also agree with 675LT, in fact it feels like a completely different car to drive than the other P11 cars. Bumpy B roads are not that bad, much better than Porsche GT cars by a long way. Turning circle is its quirk, I like the fact its not that great, like reversing a Countach every supercar should have a quirk. Sports series do feel better at first, up to 40mph, they feel slightly more alert, so on a test drive you will feel instantly like its a great car, however go a bit faster and live with the car a bit longer and the P11 cars win for me as they just come alive at higher speeds so agree with the 85. Also P11 cars have a large analogue tacho and a single wiper, for me that instantly makes it feel so much more special than the sports series and even 720s. The 720S is a great car, absolutely adore them but for me they lack the ultimate feedback and visceral nature of the 675LT. I need that on the road, even if the trade off is its a bit more bumpy, that final bit of feel and control makes all the difference to my enjoyment. There isn't a bad McLaren and I think your points are spot on for an average driver on an average road but if you crave that little extra the LT cars come into their own but that's not for everyone.
Thank you so much for making this video. It’s cleared up so much.
Great video! Thank you! Love my 650S!
Great assessment. had the 650 and now have the 720. 175 is spot on.
This is were I will go when I get my 720S.
Great vid. Was really struggling with 570GT or 12c thoughts.
Thanks for the info.
Fair comparison. I prefer the looks of the 650s over the 12C by far. Would have given it a 120!
Obviously you haven't factored in cost of ownership from new which sadly is a big factor with McLarens. Agree with most of what you have said and generally newer is better but for me, and I might be biased, the pinnacle car is the 675LT Spider. Don't get me wrong the 720S Spider is epic and can out perform it but it doesn't have anything like the feel or engagement IMHO. McLaren absolutely nailed it with the 675LT because it was over engineered for its price point to launch the LT sub brand. Also being the first LT and limited to just 500/500 it will be a future classic guaranteed. 5 years later there is still not a car out there that can replace it for me even when spending £500k. 675LT Spider is still the KING OF SUPERCARS and gets a score of 250 from me
The problem with factoring cost in is that different markets have different pricing and as a lot of our followers are overseas now it would be hard to factor a choice based on performance adding in cost that might not be relevant.
Very enjoyable indeed. I appreciate the pure honesty and calling a spade a spade.
Interesting perspective and review :) Scores will depend on personal preference. I would argue (as you also point out) that the sports series cars are more intimate and rewarding to drive (vs 12C/650S/720S) and in my book should have a much higher score if this is a priority when buying. The 570S/675LT and 600LT are the McLaren models that have won "best drivers car" competitions. I agree the super series are more competent overall with a wider dynamic range and have more tech. I don't agree the performance being a factor between sports and super series (except 720/765). You score 570S almost half the 675LT due to active aero and performance but real world performance is virtually identical, both 10.3 sec quarter mile, top speed 1mph apart (the LT aero does not make a huge diff as the 650 tops out at only 2mph higher). In fact all 3.8 McLarens have virtually identical acceleration, 12C (with 625hp update) "slowest" at 10.5 quarter mile and 675LT/570S fastest at 10.3s 100% stock. 720 makes the first major leap. On track sports series cars are perhaps a bit slower mainly due to narrower tires from the factory and to some extent aero. I agree all McLarens are great cars and for someone who wants tech, comfort and speed super series (especially the 720S) should have top scores but for someone who just wants the purest most engaging driving experience in a modern supercar I would score 570S, 600LT, 675LT over a 720S. Cheers and keep up the great work! :)
Thats fair enough of course and you're right, on the road they do feel pretty similar in normal use, but the 720 does need some time to realise its different level, they are too easy to drive lazily and over the course of a few drives people dont get to push them as hard as they can be to unlock it all.
Awesome video as usual. Happy holidays from the states. 👍
Appreciate that. and to you and yours
Awesome and very informative video from a highly respected and qualified source. Thank you, John! ~ Richard in Canada.
Thank you so very much for this. I do believe you, coming from a mclaren specialist with such extensive experience, and for the number of cars you drive and own, shows a lot of weight in this. not many have the opportunity to drive so many versions and especially since you get to drive the different cars back to back as a road car after servicing etc. so your opinion is not taken lightly. Please do consider updating this series esp it has been 2 years now to include others that are not mentioned as yet. and if i could dare ask, also compared as a road car to other makes like the porsche, ferraris, lotus, alpines etc too. of course those you feel you can compare to. Noting, you are being very fair to say you only comment on those you have enough exprience on. thank you for this.
We are looking to update it now as I've more time in the GT and 600LT as well as the 765LT. However I'd like to do some comparison with the Artura and 750, but that needs McLaren to lend me a car and I cant see that happening
@@SilverstoneShootingCentre thank you very much and look forward to the update.
Very interesting.... I would love to know how the P1 fits into your thoughts
Stunning car, but just too expensive to drive as the running costs are so high. Shame really
Great video. Thank you.
Great comparison though I’d had added +10 to any of the spiders! Going from a coupe to spider for me was huge improvement. I agree my 12c was beautiful but I’ll disagree that there 650 is barely different. For me it was a lot better. The iris 2 works (at least it works lol) but the updates and small changes imo made a nice update. Next one will be 675LT
Great video… very informative 👍🏻
Am thinking of buying a used McLaren… This is such a useful video. Did you manage to do a comparison with the Artura?
Artura is still a bit new to get any real data on it as a second hand buy, initially all the news was bad so we recommend to avoid the model entirely but am now trying to collect real world data from owners on usage and its looking a little more positive, but still collecting data.
@@ThorneyMotorsport Much appreciate your reply. Based on your (admittedly preliminary) answer, it seems unlikely to top the score of a 720s. Do you think that is correct?
@@StanOkkers 720 would murder an Artura, there is little comparison.
@@ThorneyMotorsport Yeah…. I sort of guessed that from your earlier response 😂. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work. It’s much more useful than most other reviews!
Dude... you need to get a much better mic. But this is a great video! But would have to highly disagree that there is NO WAY in hell that the 12C is on par with the 600LT. The 600LT is much sharper, feels lighter, steering is better, is faster and shifts A LOT faster than the 12C which shifts lazily. My old GTI DSG shifts faster than the 12C and it's a glaring weakness. I would take a 600LT over the 12C or 650S any given day of the week. But the 600LT is more of a track car and not as street friendly as the 12C/650S.
I agree 100%. I have driven everything he has mentioned and a 600LT is by far the best of them all and a 675LT is up there is well. Any LT is a different car entirely from other McLarens. A mechanics opinion I would appose it 100%.
Have you driven each of the cars you talk about?
@@paulm6397 Yes, back to back and at speed.
Always enjoy your videos. I will be a McLaren owner one day, but so far have only tested a couple - the 570s and 720s, and while it was clear the 720s was the quicker car I couldn't help but feel that it was the less involving and I think I actually preferred the road manners of the 570s...it just felt more enjoyable. Taking delivery of an Emira soon, but after a few years I will be in the market for a convertible 570s, or perhaps the 600LT...given your fantastic reputation for independent servicing and retail I will be in touch closer to the time.
lol. 720s all the way. A 570 doesn’t come close. It’s an entry level supercar. The 720 is a hyper supercar.
@@executiveinvestments haha...indeed, there is no denying the classification differences between the two, but as a non-racing driver I prefer that I feel like I can be in charge of a 570 on the road...and it feels the more raw driving experience, where a 720s feels like it is has more control and the driving feel is therefore more lacking...depends if you want to just look at your car and play top trumps with it, or drive it...just my humble opinion, as much as you are entitled to yours. Happy motoring.
@@Kentviking 570 more raw? What? Literally the opposite. Just because the 720 is more comfortable to drive has nothing to do with it lacking feel. The 570 feels like a toy.
@@executiveinvestments will have to agree to disagree. I don't own either vehicle but have tested both and this is my humble, honest and independent opinion...each to their own. you clearly prefer the 720, which is a cracking vehicle, but it would not be my choice for my usage and the way in which I attain my enjoyment from driving.
@@Kentviking the 570 is way too slow and like a toy. That’s why I bought a 720. The 570 is no big deal but the 720 is a very big deal.
Great comparison.
I might buy one next year
what i meant by RS1 and RS2 ? between the 12c and 650
the engine code ?
im new to mclaren but fully intereted to learn everything about this cars
This video was ‘ just what the doctor ordered’ very informative and made my mind up
Very informative. Thank you.
Brilliant video John and big thanks as I’m torn between 12c spider and 570gt partly because Id be coming across from an Aston V8V and love the “GT” usability however the twin use of folding roof sounds great to me.
If I may, I was thinking of popping into chat over all my thought process and see where we get. Reliability would be my biggest concerns
Thanks.
It's the question we get a lot, which model is the most reliable and as I say in the video, there isn't one, it's all down to how it's been treated or looked after. But happy to chat mclarens whenever you like
great video thanks for your knowledge
Hi John, I keep hovering over your website as I am seriously tempted by either a 570S or a 650S (ideally a spider so I can appreciate the amazing all year round UK weather 😂😂).
There are obviously pros and cons to both, but would you say overall the 650s is the better buy? (I appreciate it is subjective).
I have a set of questions I usually ask those looking to buy and are unsure; are you more interested in technology or age of vehicle? The Super series cars (12c, 650s, 720) are of a higher technical nature and build with active aero and active suspension so are naturally the 'better' car in the regards of capability, but the sports series cars (570, 540) are newer so have improvements to things like software, some function and simple age. I own a 570s (albeit massively modified) but the 12c/650 is the 'better' road car due to its active suspension. They all handle the same but the ride is better in its softest mode compared to a sports series. There is no better or worse, simply what is more suited to your requirements.
@SilverstoneShootingCentre thank you very much for the reply. The car will be used for every day use and unlikely to be taken to a track. It won't necessarily be my daily driver (I have a Taycan Turbo S for that purpose), however I am not the type to leave it sitting in a garage gathering dust either. I do like tech in a car, however I would probably not be too fussed in either of these, as it is not great in either of them apparently. I am the type to like to listen to the sound of the engine and intake more than music anyway, so am I right in thinking the 650S probably has the better sound with or without the sports exhaust? I believe you probably can offer a better exhaust at point of sale anyway, which no doubt is better acoustically than McLarens. I am swaying in the direction of the 650s to be honest as I think it looks better and I like the active aero etc. Is the warranty still the same price for both the 650s and 570s with yourselves? Thanks 🙂.
@@kevinwhite8836 Sorry, was logged in via wrong account. Yes, same price for both. I'd try one of each, but dont discount the 12c either.
So where do you rate the GT? Just purchased one and Im curious where it falls in the lineup. You skipped it!
They are so rare I've only driven a couple so not really fair to compare yet
@@ThorneyMotorsport Im looking forward to an update! Daily drivable 720s is how I would describe but you would be the one who knows!
Loved this 👍👍👍
Thank you!!!
Would to see how the 765 compares once youvre had time in one. I had a 600 then jumper balls deep into a 765 and never owned or spent time in the 720.
Looking forward to seeing them more
So are these differences just a swag number? 100 to 150 means is 50% better? Is 50% overall or 50% of some other aspect? Trying to understand the scoring system.
Sort of, it's more of a base for the 12c and the others compare to that model
650s all day long for reliability and looks. The coupe is rarer than a spider.
is that really true? I am undecided between the 570 and 650. Number one thing for me is reliability
675LT is the best built actually
@@inkanthemit certainly is not. The newer the better built.
@@weho_brianthey are all reliable. As long as you maintain it you won’t have a problem.
@@weho_brianit’s not true. He doesn’t know what he is talking about and likely never owned one or someone he knows one a 650. 650 is old tech and 570 is far superior and better every way
In general, how are they as dailys? specifically the 570s - thinking about seat comfort, storage and going over bumps
All of them are fine, some models are better suited to longer distance with more storage, the 570GT for example and some more suited to track driving, the 600LT and 675LT for example, but all can handle daily work, commutes etc with no issues.
@@ThorneyMotorsport thank you! I'll be in touch when I'm ready to buy :)
Score and thoughts on McLaren GT ?
What about the GT?
Only driven a couple, not enough for a proper comparison really, they were pretty rare
@@ThorneyMotorsport beautiful cars I think.
Not very convinced by the scoring system. You gotta say why a bit more. The oddity for example is the 600lt. Every other review sees the 600 as a near peer for the 675, in fact beating it on some accounts. Yet the 650s betters it here. So explain why? Acceleration. Nope. Handling. Nope. 'fun factor' nope. Put it this way. 650s and 600lt at same price what would someone pick. I think the 600 gotta score between the 650 and the 675. I think you simply couldn't bring yourself to increase the gap so much from the 570. But this isn't a proportional system based on actual metrics else the 675 would be 50% faster than the 650 which it isn't. Clearly you are saying 50% 'better' which IS possible but then if you are going to be consistent using a non metricised system then it's no problem giving the 600lt a score of day 140 which is saying it is twice as 'good' as a 570s which it could easily be.
If every other review sees the 600LT as near peer as the 675LT then I'm going to suggest that the other reviewers are all mindless idiots, sorry. Its just not the case, the 675LT is a super series (active aero, active suspension) track focussed car without any peer in the McLaren line up, save for the 765LT. The 720 is ultimately quicker on certain tracks that flatter its power but the 675LT is the track winner. The 600LT is no doubt fun to drive, is very capable on track and would again be more entertaining than a 650 or even 720 on track but its in not in the same league as a road car. The Super series cars maybe older but the active suspension is night and day better and more variable in use than the sports series cars for road use, which was ultimately the purpose of the review - as road cars.
@@ThorneyMotorsport I like the mindless idiots comment. 🤣
You missed the whole point of my comment though. Either your system is based on metrics e.g. top speed /acceleration / cornering G etc, ,
OR, it's based on a car being generally "better" in a qualitative sense. If you used the former (metricised) then the 675 Vs 650 doesn't make sense as the 675 is simply not close to 50% in measurable performance terms. If the latter (qualitative) then the 675/650 scoring CAN very much make sense as a "good" or "bad" car is not purely metrics driven- indeed the mindless idiots you refer to seem to agree with you on the 675/650 comparison. BUT then if it is qualitative scoring, well the 650/600 scoring doesn't make sense. Yes we all know the super/sports series technical differences but seeing as we're going qualitative to make sense of the 675/650 numbers then there's no reasonable way to suggest that one would put the 650 as a better car than the 600. Once again the proof is in the pudding - same price point would you swap your 600lt for my 650s? Pretty sure you'd tell me to go f.......
675 Vs 600? Different story (notice I didn't suggest scoring the 600 above the 675)
So I like the attempt at a novel way of scoring and within each series the numbers make ok sense but because it seems to conflate between qualititive and quantitative systems at a whim it's bound to create anomalies which to me the 600lt scoring exposes.
@Hyena anyone who bases their measurements of cars on 'metrics' is either a math geek or needs to get out more 🤔. I would take a 650 over a 600 same price as a road car every day, track car then the 600. Its not about metrics it's about what the car does and how.
@@ThorneyMotorsport you missed my point yet again I did not suggest you use metrics. I'm saying either you based on metrics or you didn't, but neither route makes your relative scoring sensible to me. But what further can I say after you have concluded you'd take a 650 over a 600.
Would Catted downpipes do anything to hurt reliability of a 675LT? I had MSO titanium and Catted 300 cell downpipes on my former 570S and loved the sound
So long as the cats were of the highest quality and 200 cel you should be fine.
@@ThorneyMotorsport thank you John
Where do you put the 765LT and the Senna? Possibly rating for a P1? 😎
Not driven a 765LT hard enough to give a comment really, ditto the P1
Doesn’t the McLaren GT get a score? Would be interested in your opinion on this model please
It's a fair comment, but I've only driven 2 and neither for very long so unfair to make a comparison really.
Whats the most miles you have ever seen on a mp4 12c or any other ? And with proper maintenance how many miles could they go for?😊
We've approx 20-30 or so with 50-60k miles, approx 10 or so with 80k+ miles and 4-5 with over 100k miles. We did have one owner who had 140k miles on it but he sold it so not sure where that is now, he lived in Austria and commuted to Spain!
@ThorneyMotorsport thank you. Its a decision rite now between a brand new corvette stingray or a 85k mp4 12c with 43k on the clock...they both will cost the same insurance and the McLaren with be just a couple more dollors a month. Btw i do my own maintenance so im hoping if i do pull the trigger on the McLaren parts are still available for a long time ....also whatever i chose WILL NOT BE A GARAGE QUEEN 🙂
How the hell do the McLaren Carbon brakes not last as long as steel brakes on track ... this is confusing to me.
It's down to how McLaren make their carbon disks, they simply don't last very long when used on track, especially when compared with carbons from Porsche for example.
How much would you give a 12c with a remap?
Interesting question, probably very similar to a 675LT
Oh, no! I decided I want a 570GT (I like the overall idea and how the GT version looks)- now you're telling me it has the lowest 'score'!
Well, a couple years after this vid in 2024 there are the Artura, the GT (I, again, like the overall idea, but I don't like the looks this time) and the 750S. I assume the 750S is the best McLaren in 2024, right?
We haven't updated the review to include the Artura or 750 yet.
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I did notice that, sir :)
Will you someday?🙃
What does the GT score ?
Thats a good question and we've driven quite a few now so we will update it. Same as a 650s though.
Would say thats pretty fair and im a cynic. Nothing to comment.
I have a Porsche Turbo for the road looking for a more raw driving experience on the road, what do you think about the 620 R, just taking it around my favorite curved road ? Thanks
620R is very expensive for what it offer, get a 600LT and save yourself £100k
Or for similar money a 675LT, much much better than a 620R
Thanks so much great channel and love your expertise
I can't stand Hoovies. I don't watch any of his videos anymore. He made it seem like his McLarens, was the worst car in the world.
what about the 620R?
Only driven one once, hardly representative of what they are like I'm afraid so not really fair to include it
@@ThorneyMotorsport Thank you! In our area, used 720s are priced similarly, therefore I wonder which would make a better weekend vehicle.
@@wegentop as a road car? The 720, 100%
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They are not slow!! The 570s is quicker in the 1/4 than 675 LT no? The 675 LT just had more grib and better aero which is why it's slower than the 570s at least in a straight line. See shmee150 video showing his 675LT losing every time to a 570s. Cheers
None of them are slow, the sports series is slower but I do say in real world driving there is little difference.
Are you high?
@@brianhimmelman420 yes