Great video! The only one I'd disagree with is the Milwaukee Road A class, but I can see why streamlining an Atlantic could be considered weird. Yet, I'm fascinated by these unusual streamlining methods, since it's a departure of the norm. Hence why I focus on streamlined doodlebugs often since they're unsuspecting motor cars that are given state of the art streamlining, even though they're still serving the smallest of branch lines. Fun Fact: the Pennsylvania Railroad also considered streamlining one of their Atlantics, but plans for this didn't go past the drawing board. Also, thanks for introducing me to the NZR D class of 1929. I find that little engine so adorable.
The only Pennsy 4-4-2 I know of is No. 7002, at least I'm pretty sure that one's an Atlantic. My knowledge on Pennsy steamers is poor outside of the S1, S2, T1, Q2 and K4. As for that little NZR D 1 locomotive, she wasn't the first D class on our turf. The first one was a 2-4-0 tank from the 1880s, and I've featured one of them here ~ th-cam.com/video/AoFjE-q0JmA/w-d-xo.html
As a Milwaukeean Milwaukee Road fan, I am a huge fan of the Hiawatha streamlined locomotives. I just can't be impartial. It hurts me that none were preserved.
I agree, but at least we have Lionel models to keep the legacy alive as well as some surviving passenger coaches of the said train, which are with Milwaukee road 261
Honestly, I don't know why you think streamlined steam locomotives are ugly in my opinion streamlined steam locomotives are amazing, beautiful, and awesome it's just that they have sleak and striking appearance that takes you down a trip into the past when steam streamliners ruled the rails and lead the world.
The Milwaukee Road's Class A 4-4-2, an ugly locomotive!? Seriously!? She's one of best looking streamlined locomotive out there, together with her younger sisters, the 4-6-4 F7's.... If they're considered ugly, I dont wanna know what's good looking....😉😆😂 Unless, of course, its all the modern locomotives around today....😉
I’d hardly call the Milwaukee road’s Hiawathas ugly locomotives, same for the Siemens sc-44 chargers. I also disagree with the Canadian National U-1b as they still look rather normal.
The U1F is a gorgeous engine. I like the cone shaped smoke box door. I think it would be an all timer for looks if it had a flattened door with a perimeter of that same green on black.
This was quite an entertaining video! There were definitely a few locomotives I disagreed with, but it was really interesting to hear your reasonings! Also, if I were to add one more locomotive to this list (and this is just my opinion), I would put Oliver Bulleid’s infamous “Leader” locomotive. I don’t think I have ever seen a steam locomotive as pug-fugly as it.
Well, as a Belgian, I really disagree with your No. 1 choice. To me the series 12 streamline Belgian locomotives are very elegant, and I even prefer them to the British one at 21:28. BTW, I disagree with more of your choices. There are more locomotives in your list that do not look ugly in my eyes, though probably they are not so beautiful as our series 12.
I don’t think the ZP 2100, U1F, SCB-40, E60, U50C, MR A-Class, LNER K3, or the SNCB Type 12 are ugly. ESPECIALLY not the A-class or the Type 12. But the F125s are DEFINITELY the ugliest locomotives IMO. I hate their weird “Tiltback” the most. The SC-44s are kinda ugly. I mean, their nose just ending and there being a bulge, yeah. That’s just weird.
Your remark about Bulleid's Q1 nearly saw me buy a ticket to Oz to give you a punch on the nose. You leave the coffee pots (as we called them) alone or else!
Then the joke would be on you as he is in New Zealand (if his name is anything to go by). About 1500 miles the difference. I like the look of the Q1's myself, I have a Hornby model of one.
I've certainly heard of the Thompson Pacifics (heck, I've even got a model of 60505 'Thane of Fife'), but I thought they were pretty tame compared to what I talk about in the video.
The Class A Milwaukee Road locomotives were the first streamliner built from the ground up in 1935 in America. They were a great looking locomotive. At least you got the Milwaukee Road Hudson F7 right.
The A class is not particularly beautiful but (at least from my European viewpoint) it is one of the least ugly of all streamlined American steam locomotives. And it was really fast, the streamlining wasn't only a gimmick as with many other locomotives.
I live in Maryland and see the sc-44s a lot on commuter trains, and I think you just get used to them after seeing them for a while. I do love the horns though
You missed BR's CoBo which after the cab window were changed was frankly hideous. Then there's the Class 70 which is so ugly that they have to paint it in awful colours such as the Colas Rail livery to stop it frightening the horses.
Have a look at the WAGR (West Australian Govt Railways) X class diesel. The wheel arrangement of the Fell diesel 10100, and the Crossley engine of the BR class 28 COBO.
"Mallard" may have set the official record for speed by a steam locomotive, but personally I find the A4 class to be ugly looking. Fact is, Nigel Gresley himself did not want the engines streamlined. For looks, I'll take the A1 Peppercorn and A3 Gresley types over the A4 any day. The big LMS Pacifics beat all of them.
1:37 I actually really like the SR Q1s, they were designed for one purpose, to pull freight during WWII, with everything unnecessary left out. It was also the most powerful British 0-6-0 built. I like the aesthetic they have. 1:41 I kinda like the BQ23-7s, their cab is interesting. 1:54 Definitely not the best looking, but I kinda like it because of that I guess lol 3:39 Yeah, don’t really like that cab, though I wouldn’t say it’s one of the ugliest locomotives. 6:25 I’m not a big fan of the nose either, though I don’t think that’s nearly enough to call it ugly, the rest of the locomotive looks pretty good. 7:11 Dieselization started pretty early in the US, starting a bit before WWII, might’ve even been finished earlier if it wasn’t for the war. 7:40 Not really going to defend the F125. 9:11 Not a big fan of these either, though they look better than the F125s imo. Also, VIA is getting SCV-42s, that look like the SCB-40s. 10:07 Speaking of, I kinda like these, along with the VIA SCV-42s and Amtrak ALC-42, which have a more streamlined nose than the SC-44s and less than the SCB-40s and SCV-42s. 10:59 Kinda weird, but I like that. 13:35 I really like the BM&LP E60Cs, three window cabs are neat, as well as the paint being good. I’m not as much of a fan of the Amtrak E60CPs & E60CHs though (I do like PhIII on them). The E60C-2s are my favorite version though, and all of their schemes look good on them. 14:51 Not a big fan of the U50s or U50Cs, but there’s something I like about them, not sure what. 16:16 I love the MILW A Class, being some of, if not, the first locomotives built to run at over 100 mph in service, also they almost got the speed record before Mallard did. I also just really like their streamlining, and that it’s on such a small locomotive. (Don’t tell them about the MILW streamlined 4-6-0s lol) 17:57 I don’t really see the big boiler as an issue, I think they look just fine with it. 19:55 I think the BL1 & BL2s some kind of charm to them, also they lead to the GP7s, so it all worked out. 20:49 I really like the C&O L1s, also (iirc) they are the only preserved (fully) streamlined Hudson class. (I wouldn’t call the CP Royal Hudsons fully streamlined and CB&Q 4000, formerly Aeolus, isn’t streamlined in preservation). 20:54 I wouldn’t call that one of the ugliest, imo the British Class 70 is worse. 20:55 I’d call that cute 20:57 And that one I’d call goofy lol 21:54 I don’t know what it is, but I like something about them.
Another ugly series of locomotives would be the steam turbine, and steam diesel hybrid locomotives but that’s just my opinion. Anyway great video very informative keep up the good work.👍
hell no! You didn't call BL2's hideous!? They're the best parts of cab units and roadswitchers! Even my friend that barely likes trains thinks they're cool
I'm sorry but I will have to disagree about one thing, I personally love the Brightline locos it's such an improvement over the original SC-44 however I must agree the SC-44's are the ugliest thing that touch US railroads in decades along with the F125's I do also think the ALC is a big improvement from the original SC-44 too. But I must say I'm in love with the futuristic, smart looking, and arrow dynamic nose on the Brightline sets they just look real sleek and up to date! I enjoyed this video and I agree with almost everything said. 😂
6 axel look wrong on a passenger locomotive?? Let's see best looking American passenger Loco in a lot of people's opinion Alco Pa/Pb, then we have EMD E7/8/9 and EMD Santa Fe F45
My choices are some of Nigel Gresley's locomotives (did I commit sacrilege?) The one off Gresley "Hush Hush" locomotive looks like a cross between a tube of toothpaste with some of the toothpaste squeezed out, and a burrito on wheels. The Gresley A4's (I'll wait for your hate mail) Their hump backed shape boilers make them look like a fish or a loaf of bread on wheels. They could have at least smoothed out the lump in the top of the boiler casing (the result of wind tunnel testing with a plastic model) Also, the black/dark paint on the front sides of the engine could have been extended backward in in a diagonal or swept back wing configuration. The current configuration looks kind of wimpy or half assed, in my opinion. (I'm sure some Brit will say it's elegantly understated) The original HST trains. Their original livery/color schemes of the power cars looked kind of tacky to me. They didn't blend in well with the rest of the train. One solid color scheme looks a lot better, at least on something that's a fixed formation train anyway The Ivatt Atlantics, - a small, cramped cab without any side windows tacked on behind a long fat boiler as a seeming afterthought. I dislike the Great Western "Cities" class (City of Truro) for much the same reason (a small cramped windowless cab) Plus I like to actually see the driving wheels and, the engines were kind of stubby looking The P2 locomotive, like the one that's being built in Britain. I don't care for the "squished in" smoke deflectors. The current Flying Scotsman. I don't like the current narrow protruding German style smoke deflectors. They look like blinders on a horse (iron horse?) I think the original Flying Scotsman with the apple green livery and without the smoke deflectors was a handsome engine. I kind of like the Belgian Atlantics with the stripes running the length of the engine and tender, kind of like the Coronation Scot, I think they look like good, solid machines, sleek but ruggedly handsome, a little unorthodox, but in an interesting sort of way.
I agree with the choice of Prototype HST and current Flying Scotsman (personally I think she should be back in LNER apple green, minus the smoke deflectors).
You know how I really feel about streamliners as well? They're overrated! i know I'm gonna get hated for saying that, but it's my own opinion. I never really understood why people think streamliners are the best locomotives around. They're not all that great or admiring to me.
It's odd but the #1 "ugliest" is so homely that it actually looks cute because it makes me chuckle.😂 Needlass to say that I'm glad someone was so thoughtful to have preserved one for future viewing. It kinda reminds me of a cabbage patch doll head i found that is puffy in its mouth and cheeks.
The Belgian type 12 of 1939 shown here is not ugly imo, just weird. You have to check out the type 12 of 1888, yes there was a type 12 built earlier, but these were out of service in 1939 so the class number was used again. That is absolutely the most hideous steam locomotive in my opinion, just search for "État Belge type 12" to find pictures. But as for New Zealand, the rebuilt DG class were an eyesore as well, while the unrebuilt DG and DH classes were good looking locomotives.
I'm mainly of a Subway guy but most of these sorta look weird or funny. NYCT actually had a weird but awesome looking train called the R40 Slant, introduced in 1967-1968 these were known for their Slanted Front Ends as a way to make them "futuristic".
I dont think the Fell is ugly, I find it quite cute. The fact it has siderods makes it cooler imo because its more unique outside of the smaller diesels
You may do a follow-up with EMUs or nearly-ugliest locomotives. Worthy candidtes: 2TE116 (Soviet Union) DD51 (Japan) google side pictures, because front looks pretty standard GP20 (USA) too long hood type 6Dh (Poland) this modification of type 6D (PKP: SM42) is "streamlined" for shunting duties EMUs: ED72Ac (Poland) nicknamed "chomik" ("hamster") E4 (Japan) E5 (Japan) E6 (Japan) you can do those three as they're similar in design and E5 and E6 sets are made to operate together N700 and its derivatives (Japan/RoC) Pesa Elf II (Poland) this very specific variant with ugly front. Konstal 102N (Poland) a streetcar. Not to be mistaken with 102Na, the front-swapped version Konstal 4N (Poland) two-axle streetcar, IMO not that bad, but you might think it's too long for a two-axle streetcar. 5N - narrow-gauge version 4ND/5ND - passive trailers standard/narrow-gauge respectively Talgo 350 aka RENFE Class 102 (Spain) Multipla on rails
I’m not here to disagree or dispute your choices. My pick of “ugly” locomotives include the entire group of road switchers produced by EMD, GE, Alco and similar types. I’m not saying they were never successful because most were. They were built for practicality not beauty. As I said that’s just my opinion.
To start, the Atlantic types were gorgeous locomotives, proportionately off alittle, but ran like butter. The HUDSON THOUGH- ugly. Please. Couldn’t agree more. The reason why these two classes didn’t get preserved, was because the Mayor of Milwaukee (at the time) thought they looked like diesel loco’s - I live in Milwaukee and have known this sad fact for years.
9:01 Just because Charger has only one cab and you consider it ugly? O Mhy this is my favorite one as well. sharper than European dual faces. it looks FAST.
I get this two-cabs complaint from my English friend all time. Especially in the early days, diesel locomotives in the US, Canada and Mexico were seldom dispatched as single units , because of the tonnage of trains and the terrain they encountered in the three countries. Running multiple unit locomotive consists, with a cab unit facing in each direction, rendered the second cab superfluous and an unnecessary first cost abs ongoing maintenance item in the eyes of North American railroad management.
Hating on the most liked Belgian loco, the type 12, wouldn’t call it my favorite but it isn’t an abomination 🤣 glad it isn’t the type 10 at your first place 🤣
Being honest I wouldn’t call the Hiawatha Atlantic ugly exactly but they have a rather unusual appearance but I kinda like it as I like streamlined engines Though I do understand the weird concept of a Streamlined 4-4-2, it’s something that you'd think it was impossible to do but the Milwaukee Road did it
A couple of my own nominations, both from the Great Western Railway: 3901 class 2-6-2T - just a Dean Goods with a couple of rectangular tanks awkwardly slapped onto it. 2602 'Kruger' class - the GWR had a lot of attractive, well-proportioned 4-6-0 designs. This was not one of them.
ČSD had some quite questionable designs too, namely the T 478 (both the .1/.2 design 'Bardotka' and the .3/.4 design 'Brejlovec') and the S.489.0 'Laminátka'. Deutsche Reichsbahn Class 119 'Submarine' is also worth mentioning.
One thing I appreciate about your video is that you are not as emotive as 'History in the dark' and the fact that you are a Kiwi, you're not biased towards confounded America. However my I suggest that you keep videos like this down to about ten minutes max, Give a brief description, then onto the next example. Yes those Belgian things were ugly, but had you seen the 'Goggles" diesels than operated in Eastern Europe, they are very hideous!
Great video! The only one I'd disagree with is the Milwaukee Road A class, but I can see why streamlining an Atlantic could be considered weird. Yet, I'm fascinated by these unusual streamlining methods, since it's a departure of the norm. Hence why I focus on streamlined doodlebugs often since they're unsuspecting motor cars that are given state of the art streamlining, even though they're still serving the smallest of branch lines. Fun Fact: the Pennsylvania Railroad also considered streamlining one of their Atlantics, but plans for this didn't go past the drawing board. Also, thanks for introducing me to the NZR D class of 1929. I find that little engine so adorable.
The only Pennsy 4-4-2 I know of is No. 7002, at least I'm pretty sure that one's an Atlantic. My knowledge on Pennsy steamers is poor outside of the S1, S2, T1, Q2 and K4.
As for that little NZR D 1 locomotive, she wasn't the first D class on our turf. The first one was a 2-4-0 tank from the 1880s, and I've featured one of them here ~ th-cam.com/video/AoFjE-q0JmA/w-d-xo.html
I agree, I would have swapped out the As with those C&O Hudsons. They look worse in my opinion
@@rivertownproductions The C&Os look kinda nice
@@dimwit47_ i agree
Im sorry but the milwaukee road hiawathas are not the ugliest imo. I think they are most classy trains out of streamliners.
Facts my guy I love them such a shame none of them survived
They are
What about the j class Hudsons on NYC
100% agree
They are amazing locos
As a Milwaukeean Milwaukee Road fan, I am a huge fan of the Hiawatha streamlined locomotives. I just can't be impartial. It hurts me that none were preserved.
I agree, but at least we have Lionel models to keep the legacy alive as well as some surviving passenger coaches of the said train, which are with Milwaukee road 261
Honestly, I don't know why you think streamlined steam locomotives are ugly in my opinion streamlined steam locomotives are amazing, beautiful, and awesome it's just that they have sleak and striking appearance that takes you down a trip into the past when steam streamliners ruled the rails and lead the world.
I agree.
Dude, let that man who thinks the streamlined locomotives are ugly have his own opinion.
@@ChimmyAnimate Clearly you think the same.
UNPOPULAR OPINION: I think the Q1 looks awesome. I just find its boxy, brawny shape unique for steam locomotives, and cool at the same time.
The Milwaukee Road's Class A 4-4-2, an ugly locomotive!? Seriously!?
She's one of best looking streamlined locomotive out there, together with her younger sisters, the 4-6-4 F7's....
If they're considered ugly, I dont wanna know what's good looking....😉😆😂
Unless, of course, its all the modern locomotives around today....😉
I totally agree with some of your choices I must add, a fair few of "what the hell happened here!?"....😳😲😆😂
I’d hardly call the Milwaukee road’s Hiawathas ugly locomotives, same for the Siemens sc-44 chargers. I also disagree with the Canadian National U-1b as they still look rather normal.
THE HIAWATHA IS BEAUTIFUL YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!
*slurps juice* Hey man, didn't you see a message in the thumbnail in front of your eyes?
I think the LNER K3's large boiler gives them a powerful appearance
Yeah (but it looks like a GNR A0 AND GER S69 but shorten with cylinders)
I Disagree with the Class A Hiawatha being ugly.
The Milwaukee road A class? Now that's an unexpected hot take.
The U1F is a gorgeous engine. I like the cone shaped smoke box door. I think it would be an all timer for looks if it had a flattened door with a perimeter of that same green on black.
This was quite an entertaining video! There were definitely a few locomotives I disagreed with, but it was really interesting to hear your reasonings! Also, if I were to add one more locomotive to this list (and this is just my opinion), I would put Oliver Bulleid’s infamous “Leader” locomotive. I don’t think I have ever seen a steam locomotive as pug-fugly as it.
I don't think it's ugly, it just looks more like a subway car than a steam locomotive.
The Leader loco is a steam loco that's trying to look like a diesel.
I think the A class isn't ugly
Same
Ima say this, you are wrong about all of the US locomotives except the SCB-40s and UB-50s
Well, as a Belgian, I really disagree with your No. 1 choice. To me the series 12 streamline Belgian locomotives are very elegant, and I even prefer them to the British one at 21:28. BTW, I disagree with more of your choices. There are more locomotives in your list that do not look ugly in my eyes, though probably they are not so beautiful as our series 12.
Sorry but the Milwaukee Road's streamliner was not ugly!
I like the Hiawatha I thought it was a gorgeous locomotive
It is.
I like the Milwaukee Streamlined F7 "Baltics" (called Hudsons by most other railroads), but the A class 4-4-2s do nothing for me.
6:24 excuse me, those are nice! I love the u-1-f! Plus streamlined 4-8-2s in North America are rare.
Fair enough. Although I don't like them, they still remind me of the NZR J class from 1939.
I don’t think the ZP 2100, U1F, SCB-40, E60, U50C, MR A-Class, LNER K3, or the SNCB Type 12 are ugly. ESPECIALLY not the A-class or the Type 12.
But the F125s are DEFINITELY the ugliest locomotives IMO. I hate their weird “Tiltback” the most. The SC-44s are kinda ugly. I mean, their nose just ending and there being a bulge, yeah. That’s just weird.
Unless its the Brightline variant...
Your remark about Bulleid's Q1 nearly saw me buy a ticket to Oz to give you a punch on the nose. You leave the coffee pots (as we called them) alone or else!
Then the joke would be on you as he is in New Zealand (if his name is anything to go by). About 1500 miles the difference.
I like the look of the Q1's myself, I have a Hornby model of one.
You think those are weird?
Well, they are, but not until you’ve seen the Thompson A1/1, A2/2s and A2/3s from the side.
*What were those??*
I've certainly heard of the Thompson Pacifics (heck, I've even got a model of 60505 'Thane of Fife'), but I thought they were pretty tame compared to what I talk about in the video.
21:59 Thomas and friends Axel from Belgium.
The C&O L-1 Hudsons were always the strangest and most bizarre looking locomotives I've ever seen.
I always call them Mickey shoes, because of the front slightly bulges out, the position of the headlight, and the fact they're yellow.
@@randomscb-40charger78 I call them minions because when you look at the front, you can see the resemblance
the streamlined ka is a beautiful piece of power no ugly-ness there
if you think the Class A's have weird looking proportions, wait till you see the Class G 4-6-0 hiawathas
Omg your right now that’s ugly lock just cuz of the proportions
[eveyone did not like that]
What about the Bulleid Q1s?
Looks a bit like a slightly crushed steam locomotive
The Class A Milwaukee Road locomotives were the first streamliner built from the ground up in 1935 in America. They were a great looking locomotive. At least you got the Milwaukee Road Hudson F7 right.
We need the A class rebuilt/replicas
Why the Type 12 NMBS i love the train as a native belgian like cmon its unique unlike the damn hiawata,s
Amazing video but man that A Class and F7 Hudson’s hit me hard lmao
The A class is not particularly beautiful but (at least from my European viewpoint) it is one of the least ugly of all streamlined American steam locomotives. And it was really fast, the streamlining wasn't only a gimmick as with many other locomotives.
The BL-2 we an odd attempt at a first road switcher by EMD.... Sometimes things go wrong, design wise
Of course the BL2 is ugly, it was a transition between their Cab body diesels and their famous Hood units.
16:15
Every American railfan would like to know your location
I live in Maryland and see the sc-44s a lot on commuter trains, and I think you just get used to them after seeing them for a while. I do love the horns though
Perhaps unsurprisingly, my favourite engine on MARC's roster is the HHP-8.
You missed BR's CoBo which after the cab window were changed was frankly hideous. Then there's the Class 70 which is so ugly that they have to paint it in awful colours such as the Colas Rail livery to stop it frightening the horses.
Have a look at the WAGR (West Australian Govt Railways) X class diesel. The wheel arrangement of the Fell diesel 10100, and the Crossley engine of the BR class 28 COBO.
"Mallard" may have set the official record for speed by a steam locomotive, but personally I find the A4 class to be ugly looking. Fact is, Nigel Gresley himself did not want the engines streamlined. For looks, I'll take the A1 Peppercorn and A3 Gresley types over the A4 any day. The big LMS Pacifics beat all of them.
I'm pretty sure the A4s were designed with aerodynamics in mind so yea..
>:( how dare you insult the A4's
If you think the F125 is bad, just you wait until you see the Brookville BL36PH in Tri-Rail service down here in South Florida.
Oh yes, I've seen photograhps of the BL36PH. If I could describe that thing in one word, it would be 'hideous'.
@@DC4260Productions Yeah. If I could describe that thing, it would be 'the shit half-cousin of the EMD F59PHI'.
All of these are not ugly
16:16 💔 *R.I.P every milwaukee road fan* 💔
1:37 I actually really like the SR Q1s, they were designed for one purpose, to pull freight during WWII, with everything unnecessary left out. It was also the most powerful British 0-6-0 built. I like the aesthetic they have.
1:41 I kinda like the BQ23-7s, their cab is interesting.
1:54 Definitely not the best looking, but I kinda like it because of that I guess lol
3:39 Yeah, don’t really like that cab, though I wouldn’t say it’s one of the ugliest locomotives.
6:25 I’m not a big fan of the nose either, though I don’t think that’s nearly enough to call it ugly, the rest of the locomotive looks pretty good.
7:11 Dieselization started pretty early in the US, starting a bit before WWII, might’ve even been finished earlier if it wasn’t for the war.
7:40 Not really going to defend the F125.
9:11 Not a big fan of these either, though they look better than the F125s imo.
Also, VIA is getting SCV-42s, that look like the SCB-40s.
10:07 Speaking of, I kinda like these, along with the VIA SCV-42s and Amtrak ALC-42, which have a more streamlined nose than the SC-44s and less than the SCB-40s and SCV-42s.
10:59 Kinda weird, but I like that.
13:35 I really like the BM&LP E60Cs, three window cabs are neat, as well as the paint being good. I’m not as much of a fan of the Amtrak E60CPs & E60CHs though (I do like PhIII on them). The E60C-2s are my favorite version though, and all of their schemes look good on them.
14:51 Not a big fan of the U50s or U50Cs, but there’s something I like about them, not sure what.
16:16 I love the MILW A Class, being some of, if not, the first locomotives built to run at over 100 mph in service, also they almost got the speed record before Mallard did. I also just really like their streamlining, and that it’s on such a small locomotive. (Don’t tell them about the MILW streamlined 4-6-0s lol)
17:57 I don’t really see the big boiler as an issue, I think they look just fine with it.
19:55 I think the BL1 & BL2s some kind of charm to them, also they lead to the GP7s, so it all worked out.
20:49 I really like the C&O L1s, also (iirc) they are the only preserved (fully) streamlined Hudson class. (I wouldn’t call the CP Royal Hudsons fully streamlined and CB&Q 4000, formerly Aeolus, isn’t streamlined in preservation).
20:54 I wouldn’t call that one of the ugliest, imo the British Class 70 is worse.
20:55 I’d call that cute
20:57 And that one I’d call goofy lol
21:54 I don’t know what it is, but I like something about them.
Entertaining vid. I would vote class 67s. An engine, some wheels, and then a very bad corrugated shed as a body.
Finally someone who sees the Simmons charger as ugly
Another ugly series of locomotives would be the steam turbine, and steam diesel hybrid locomotives but that’s just my opinion. Anyway great video very informative keep up the good work.👍
The PRR S2s looked pretty cool though
@@dimwit47_ yes and IDC WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT THE SACRED COWS!!!(C&O M1 TURBINE)!!!
You better not be talking about the Pennsy S-2
I think the BL2, like the LWT12 (from the Aerotrain,) suffered from GM letting its car designers try their hand at railroad work.
Appearance wise, I'd say the BL2 is like a locomotive equivalent of the Ford Edsel car.
@@DC4260Productions But, the car people at GM designed the GP30. One of my favorites!
@@DC4260Productions Stop the hate on the BL2!
Milwaukee's A class was built in 1935, and the F7s in 1938/1939
14:18 This one SHOULD be the design of Freight locomotive actually.
I think the SNCB Type 12 is an beautifull Icon.
Because it is different beside other steamline steamlocomotives.
hell no! You didn't call BL2's hideous!? They're the best parts of cab units and roadswitchers! Even my friend that barely likes trains thinks they're cool
I think that sloped front is very dangerous to the engineer in case of a collision.
I'm sorry but I will have to disagree about one thing, I personally love the Brightline locos it's such an improvement over the original SC-44 however I must agree the SC-44's are the ugliest thing that touch US railroads in decades along with the F125's I do also think the ALC is a big improvement from the original SC-44 too. But I must say I'm in love with the futuristic, smart looking, and arrow dynamic nose on the Brightline sets they just look real sleek and up to date! I enjoyed this video and I agree with almost everything said. 😂
6 axel look wrong on a passenger locomotive??
Let's see best looking American passenger Loco in a lot of people's opinion Alco Pa/Pb, then we have
EMD E7/8/9 and EMD Santa Fe F45
And don't forget the DB Class 103.
E03 are good looking 103 not so much, don't like the second row of vents, makes it look cluttered.
Don’t forget the EMD SDP40F and the GE Pooch (P30CH)
My choices are some of Nigel Gresley's locomotives (did I commit sacrilege?) The one off Gresley "Hush Hush" locomotive looks like a cross between a tube of toothpaste with some of the toothpaste squeezed out, and a burrito on wheels.
The Gresley A4's (I'll wait for your hate mail) Their hump backed shape boilers make them look like a fish or a loaf of bread on wheels. They could have at least smoothed out the lump in the top of the boiler casing (the result of wind tunnel testing with a plastic model) Also, the black/dark paint on the front sides of the engine could have been extended backward in in a diagonal or swept back wing configuration. The current configuration looks kind of wimpy or half assed, in my opinion. (I'm sure some Brit will say it's elegantly understated)
The original HST trains. Their original livery/color schemes of the power cars looked kind of tacky to me. They didn't blend in well with the rest of the train. One solid color scheme looks a lot better, at least on something that's a fixed formation train anyway
The Ivatt Atlantics, - a small, cramped cab without any side windows tacked on behind a long fat boiler as a seeming afterthought. I dislike the Great Western "Cities" class (City of Truro) for much the same reason (a small cramped windowless cab) Plus I like to actually see the driving wheels and, the engines were kind of stubby looking
The P2 locomotive, like the one that's being built in Britain. I don't care for the "squished in" smoke deflectors.
The current Flying Scotsman. I don't like the current narrow protruding German style smoke deflectors. They look like blinders on a horse (iron horse?) I think the original Flying Scotsman with the apple green livery and without the smoke deflectors was a handsome engine.
I kind of like the Belgian Atlantics with the stripes running the length of the engine and tender, kind of like the Coronation Scot, I think they look like good, solid machines, sleek but ruggedly handsome, a little unorthodox, but in an interesting sort of way.
I agree with the choice of Prototype HST and current Flying Scotsman (personally I think she should be back in LNER apple green, minus the smoke deflectors).
22:52 oh yes Axel and he is described on his meet the characters video as being handsome weirdly
Yeah I gotta admit there is something wrong with high hood switchers. I’ve seen some at irm
Surely you don’t hate 4-4-2 locomotives as a whole. Do you?
No, I don't. Incidentally, one of my OO-scale models is a 4-4-2, but not the Type 12.
Here in Italy a train that I think is ugly is the Hitachi ETR 421/521/621 (and its sister, the HTR 312/412). The front of it is uuhhh... bad.
It looks like a knock-off of the BR442 'Talent 2'.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
The Hiawathas are ' ugly' ? Really. 🙄. Anyway, good video. Thanks.
You know how I really feel about streamliners as well?
They're overrated! i know I'm gonna get hated for saying that, but it's my own opinion. I never really understood why people think streamliners are the best locomotives around. They're not all that great or admiring to me.
It's odd but the #1 "ugliest" is so homely that it actually looks cute because it makes me chuckle.😂 Needlass to say that I'm glad someone was so thoughtful to have preserved one for future viewing. It kinda reminds me of a cabbage patch doll head i found that is puffy in its mouth and cheeks.
The Belgian type 12 of 1939 shown here is not ugly imo, just weird.
You have to check out the type 12 of 1888, yes there was a type 12 built earlier, but these were out of service in 1939 so the class number was used again.
That is absolutely the most hideous steam locomotive in my opinion, just search for "État Belge type 12" to find pictures.
But as for New Zealand, the rebuilt DG class were an eyesore as well, while the unrebuilt DG and DH classes were good looking locomotives.
Those new cabs on the Dg's were definitely designed by a committee.
I'm mainly of a Subway guy but most of these sorta look weird or funny. NYCT actually had a weird but awesome looking train called the R40 Slant, introduced in 1967-1968 these were known for their Slanted Front Ends as a way to make them "futuristic".
That R40 is quite a strange looking beast.
@@DC4260Productions A beast indeed... But they were the best ones. They sadly retired in 2009 but units 4280-4281 are preserved
the NZR ka class looks way better without the ''streamlining''. it might as well be an attempt of the locomotives to pretend that they are diesels.
I dont think the Fell is ugly, I find it quite cute. The fact it has siderods makes it cooler imo because its more unique outside of the smaller diesels
I will say the Chargers are really starting to grow on me a lot
You may do a follow-up with EMUs or nearly-ugliest locomotives.
Worthy candidtes:
2TE116 (Soviet Union)
DD51 (Japan) google side pictures, because front looks pretty standard
GP20 (USA) too long hood
type 6Dh (Poland) this modification of type 6D (PKP: SM42) is "streamlined" for shunting duties
EMUs:
ED72Ac (Poland) nicknamed "chomik" ("hamster")
E4 (Japan)
E5 (Japan)
E6 (Japan) you can do those three as they're similar in design and E5 and E6 sets are made to operate together
N700 and its derivatives (Japan/RoC)
Pesa Elf II (Poland) this very specific variant with ugly front.
Konstal 102N (Poland) a streetcar. Not to be mistaken with 102Na, the front-swapped version
Konstal 4N (Poland) two-axle streetcar, IMO not that bad, but you might think it's too long for a two-axle streetcar. 5N - narrow-gauge version 4ND/5ND - passive trailers standard/narrow-gauge respectively
Talgo 350 aka RENFE Class 102 (Spain) Multipla on rails
7:54 Did EMD Design Bureau becomes increasingly tasteless?
I like Siemens
The CN engine is just fine with it's smokebox, I'd say it even looks good
The class A's in my opinion is the most beautiful steam engine ever made lol
Honestly I also think the F125 isn’t a looker. But it think it looks more like a very inbred F59phi.
I’m not here to disagree or dispute your choices. My pick of “ugly” locomotives include the entire group of road switchers produced by EMD, GE, Alco and similar types. I’m not saying they were never successful because most were. They were built for practicality not beauty. As I said that’s just my opinion.
Well yeah they aren’t pretty, but I certainly wouldn’t call them ugly.
I will give you the F125. The CN U1f no.
To start, the Atlantic types were gorgeous locomotives, proportionately off alittle, but ran like butter. The HUDSON THOUGH- ugly. Please. Couldn’t agree more. The reason why these two classes didn’t get preserved, was because the Mayor of Milwaukee (at the time) thought they looked like diesel loco’s - I live in Milwaukee and have known this sad fact for years.
6:41 Is this thing considered ugly too?
10:00 We just pronounce it "Waz-dot"
Also, I'm SURE it's partly my local bias, but I think our WSDOT livery is the best looking on that engine.
9:01 Just because Charger has only one cab and you consider it ugly? O Mhy this is my favorite one as well. sharper than European dual faces. it looks FAST.
I get this two-cabs complaint from my English friend all time.
Especially in the early days, diesel locomotives in the US, Canada and Mexico were seldom dispatched as single units , because of the tonnage of trains and the terrain they encountered in the three countries.
Running multiple unit locomotive consists, with a cab unit facing in each direction, rendered the second cab superfluous and an unnecessary first cost abs ongoing maintenance item in the eyes of North American railroad management.
21:54 they're not that ugly if you ask me
I disagree with almost all of them, especially the milwaukee a class, the wedge and number one. Great video!
i do have a video suggestion, your favorite and least favorite road switchers or shunter locomotives
Agree with Charger comments. However the VIA rail variants are quite presentable. EMD styling department got it desperately wrong with the F125!
I think the F125 still looks better tho
Hating on the most liked Belgian loco, the type 12, wouldn’t call it my favorite but it isn’t an abomination 🤣 glad it isn’t the type 10 at your first place 🤣
Being honest I wouldn’t call the Hiawatha Atlantic ugly exactly but they have a rather unusual appearance but I kinda like it as I like streamlined engines
Though I do understand the weird concept of a Streamlined 4-4-2, it’s something that you'd think it was impossible to do but the Milwaukee Road did it
Oi mate - gave you a thumbs up although I quite strangely liked most of the loco's you showed. But I also like grind core - so maybe its just me
A couple of my own nominations, both from the Great Western Railway:
3901 class 2-6-2T - just a Dean Goods with a couple of rectangular tanks awkwardly slapped onto it.
2602 'Kruger' class - the GWR had a lot of attractive, well-proportioned 4-6-0 designs. This was not one of them.
ČSD had some quite questionable designs too, namely the T 478 (both the .1/.2 design 'Bardotka' and the .3/.4 design 'Brejlovec') and the S.489.0 'Laminátka'.
Deutsche Reichsbahn Class 119 'Submarine' is also worth mentioning.
I find the KA class to look quite robust and good but that's just me.
I agree with the sc- 44 chargers being ugly
I am starting to like the chargers now.
1:26 I THINK this thing is Chinese works (Either CRRC or CSR)
Idk anything streamlined I think is sexy, but everyone’s got different tastes
Hey, hands off poor old Axel! The type 12's are rather good looking in their own way. And you can't say they were not successful!
Hahaha thanks for including the chargers. Too many of them popping up in too many places.
The f125 is weird, but I have remorse for the rotems, chargers, and those austrailian diesels
I'm surprised you didn't include the Siemens ES 64 U and Vectron/Smartron. Those look hideous in my opinion.
Personally I don't think those engines look too bad.
bro said the class a and k3 are ugly 💀
6:35 I DON'T THINK This one is ugly. a nice try to do something close to streamliner but also being multipurpose engine.
They donnt look bad they look good
I think the great Northern h4 the Hiawatha Atlantics the fell engine the grand trunk mountains and the streamlined kas look nice
One thing I appreciate about your video is that you are not as emotive as 'History in the dark' and the fact that you are a Kiwi, you're not biased towards confounded America. However my I suggest that you keep videos like this down to about ten minutes max, Give a brief description, then onto the next example. Yes those Belgian things were ugly, but had you seen the 'Goggles" diesels than operated in Eastern Europe, they are very hideous!
Czechoslovakian/Czech built classes 750 to 755. Nickamed "nurek" ("diver") in Poland.