The British Invasion: British Engines on American Soil
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- Considering many people have asked me to make a Top 10 Extinct American Steam Locomotive list, and while reviewing multiple locomotives as candidates for Remarkable Engines, I eventually came up with an idea that would cover a rarely discussed topic: British engines and railcars on U.S. soil. This video doesn't just include visiting engines such as Flying Scotsman or the Royal Scot, but as well as those which stayed in the States, and were imported directly from Great Britain from the earliest days of railroading. Through my research, I found that there is a surprisingly large amount of steam engines from the first years of American railroading that were imported directly from Britain, as well as famous and small engines alike that attended major American railway exhibitions. With all of that said, sit back and enjoy this cultural exchange of locomotives!
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As a British railfan in Canada I really enjoyed this. Since you mentioned LNER no. 4489 "Dominion of Canada" in the Canadian Railway Museum in Montreal, I'd like to point out that they also have London Brighton & South Coast Railway 0-6-0T no. 54 "Waddon." I think it came over at the same time as 4489 but I'm not sure.
Waddon arrived in Montreal in September of 1963. Dominion of Canada was not withdrawn from service until 1965 and I believe it arrived in Canada towards the end of 1966.
Your pronunciation of Duke of Gloucester made me chuckle. But still a very well researched video and I enjoyed it.
A fun fact: The Duchess of Hamilton engine, when returned to the UK, it was 'rebuilt'. All of the air smooth casings removed to make maintenance simpler and easier. It spent many decades in this form, long into its preservation days. When it was finally withdrawn, it was then sent to the National Railway Museum in York and the decision was made to re-install its air smooth casings. So now we see it in its original form. Maybe, one day, just maybe we might actually see it return to steam in its original form. I truly would love to see that!
I've always found British locomotives more aesthetically pleasing compared to American steam locomotives. The Flying Scotsman looks cursed with the American modifications in my opinion.
Well British engines are more good at the lines and curves in my opinion American engines are good at looking badass I mean big boy it has so much crap on it but that's what makes it look strong and big as well as the actual size of it and it is actually the most powerful steam engine an American engine and it still exists there is one in a railway in Utah I think
@@cherirutherford7435 but at the same time I dont like British locomotives cause 1 they barely have crap on them and American locomotives has more light additions while the British ones are just only have a lamp and also there whistles are alright but there just eh and also unlike British American locomotives dont need to look pretty for doing Long hauls what matter is they get the job done and other things
That one British loco in Muppets: Most Wanted looked so cursed with the diamond stack, cowcatcher, and whistle.
@@cherirutherford7435 California is bigger than britian so we gotta make our engines look badass to go through the deserts,plains. And forests, Britain can get a with looking smoother and asthetical because of smaller
British steam locomotives aren't even as strong as the big American steam locomotives because the British steam locomotives are built for weakness
Most Australian locos are just a big mix of Americn and European design, such as the WAGR L class, just a shortened SD40-2. Or how about 3801? It's like Scotsman and a New Haven I5 had a baby.
I really like how that LMS Duchess looks with the headlight, no so much the bell but it does make it feel a lot more prouder.
South African steam locomotives also look like a mix between British and American design practices.
@@justahillbilly7777 I'd say more leaning to the latter when it comes to steam. Several Australian locomotives have also been shipped there.
Don't forget about the NSWGR AD60 class garratt. It's nowhere near as powerful as a Union Pacific big boy, but it is an example of how British steam locomotive designers could build an articulated work horse of their own for heavy freight trains.
Best colour photo of an original streamlined Duchess is at 2:23. Taken in the US with the headlight around 1939.
30053 looked like it’s trying to show everyone in America why she’s the first ever M7 loco to ever come here
Some of the UK railways (the GNR and MR for certain) imported a few American designs around the start of the last Century due to the need for more locomotives and lack of capacity in British factories. None of them lasted long for various reasons.
"British engines on American soil"
*Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back*
Pacers arrive on north american soil. Everyone: i have a question for god, WHYYYY.
@@marcleslac2413 "That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no god. None, Not one, no god, never was".
-George Carlin, Religion is BS
As an Englishman, I profusely apologise for the shocking quality of the british leyland railbuses!
From what I can tell, the LEV2 is actually still intact and awaiting restoration at the Connecticut Trolley Museum
Sadly, there are multiple reports of LEV2 being scrapped sometime before August 2021.
@@Pensyfan19 did anyone try asking what happened to it?
@@metropod I think a few people at the museum confirmed that LEV2 was scrapped.
@@Pensyfan19 sadly, no GLADLY, its been long overdue this error of nature deserved death.
Shame it lasted that long, to fall at the last hurdle.
I think American and British locomotives are all equally beautiful and really good, to be honest.
Apparently the identities of 6100 'Royal Scot' and 6152 'The King's Dragoon Guardsman' were never swapped back when the real 6152 returned home. So that means the preserved 46100 is actually 46152. I don't remember where I heard that story, and I certainly can't verify if it's true or not.
I find it so odd that British engines ever visited the US; they just look so out of place amongst the bigger American engines.
As for that LIRR M7 tank engine (sorry, I meant LSWR), she is one of two M7s that survived into preservation. The other one is LSWR No. 245, which is part of the National Collection in York.
-That is correct.
-Agreed.
-Nice LIRR reference.
Just as an interesting point At least one two truck two cylinder Shay Made this side of the pond. The first Americans to make to the UK were some Norris 4-2-0sin the 1840s And there were many Americans who appeared in the UK long before the 59s, 66s, 67s and 70s
I've been waiting for a video like this
Know it's not quite the same, but I'm rather happy to have a few British engines for my model train layouts at home. Mostly a smattering of Hornby clockwork engines in O gauge, and an MSS live steam tank engine kit for out in the garden.
Had to send away to the U.K. for them, and all proudly say "Made in Britain", so I guess I'm carrying on the tradition in miniature.
Maybe for a future video, you can dedicate it to German locomotives on US soil. Steam, diesel, narrow gauge, standard gauge, you name it.
One series of German built diesels come to mind. The Krauss Maffie diesel hydraulic locomotives of the Southern Pacific and D&RGW. A nit very good vid on them :
th-cam.com/video/HpYNkHXu53k/w-d-xo.html
A very informative video, thank you. Just one point in your pronunciation of 7100 Duke of Gloucester, the county after which it is named is pronounced Gloster not Glou-Cester as you pronounced it. Not a deal breaker for the video but something us Brits notice easily ;)
Have you done a video on American/Canadian locomotives to have seen service in the UK? I can easily think of a few both Standard Gauge and Narrow Gauge that crossed the pond in this direction, from the WW1 War Department narrow gauge locos by ALCo and Baldwin to the Standard Gauge war engines that were destined for Europe during WW2.
You forgot about the Dame Ann at the Wales West Light Railway in Silverhill, Alabama. it is a 2004 new build that was made in Britain
You're right... Thank you for informing me about this.
got this on my recommended the same day i saw 46100 Royal Scot on the mainline 😁
ive seen both the schools class and the corronation . quite nice actually since 926 pulled my train
American trains have a workhorse iron look
British locomotive gives glory even the 8F and 9F
1:03 1:34 I've Didn't Know Duchess Of Hamilton And Flying Scotsman Did Go To North America. Thanks Mate. X
I've ridden the 30053, beautiful loco
I really just wanted to see a SD40-2 or GP38-2 on Australian Railway
There used to be some SD40 and SD40-2s in the Pilbara
I always compare railways and railroads, as being like manga and comics. Very similar in many respects, but with fundamental differences, and which have constantly borrowed ideas off each other resulting in both being better than they would be without the other.
In a vaguely similar (miniature) vein, as a 3-rail O-Gauge operator/collector here in the US, I once bought a Lionel Hogwarts Express set, then added six more coaches to make the consist resemble the railtours pulled by _Olton Hall_ in the UK, but as a _Flying Scotsman_ -esque 'what if' train.
As if that wasn't enough, not long ago, I acquired through chance discoveries, a number of Lima O scale UK/EU rolling stock, including two UK Mark-1 coaches (LMS + Great Western), five UIC coaches (DB, SBB/CFF, 3xSNCF) and a couple of freight wagons. Just this week bought from Ebay three more Mk1 coaches in LMS livery and a 4-axle tank wagon.
Why do this? Mostly to present the oddball sight of UK/EU rolling stock operating alongside my more typical US 3-rail 'O' trains. Of course shipping from the UK is just cost-prohibitive (often costing much more than the selling price of individual cars) so I have to limit my efforts to examples already in the US. There is the twin issues of incompatible couplers and these cars being made for 2-rail track, but I have the means to overcome those.
Both duchess of Hamilton and coronation were very lucky to even sent to America before the war between uk and Germany broke out
3:21 repton stayed in America a little longer than the other British steam locomotives
very extensive video about british locos in the states... but you missed a few. In 1965, C.B. Arnette bought 6 ex-penrhyn locos: Winifred, Ogwen, Nesta, Marchlyn, Cegin and Glyder. And Gertrude in Ontario Canada too.
In order to make these British trains couple to American trains there is a version of the AAR Coupler that has a slot for the hook and it's held by a Pin then use AAR Mu system You you do see the set of going with class 66 locomotives built in Canada going to Port Newark ,NJ Boston,MA with SD70ACET4 ET44C4 lead AAR Mu on to control class 66 UK In Germany it is called a Deutsche Bahn Baureihe 266. However the crew must turn off AWS DSD TPWS PZB Sifa and ETCS 110V supply. For Class 230 DMU 484 These trains are 2018 crash standard compliant
A locomotive not mentioned (and quite rightly as it never set foot in North America) is the DP1, a prototype to the BR Class 55 "Deltic", Which in prototype "form" (DP1) was styled for the North American market. It can been seen at the Locomotion Museum in Sheldon, County Durham, England.
Unfortunately I cannot upload images, but here is the Wikipedia page:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Railways_DP1
Thanks for the info. I'm aware that the Deltoc was intended for American export based on its bulldog nose and headlight, and it was also included in my American Railroad Iceberg explained video almost a year ago.
@@Pensyfan19 forgive me, this is the first video I have seen from your channel/content. Now subscribed. Take it easy, brother!
"for the USA tour, Flying Scotsman was fitted with a whistle" ARE YOU HIGH!? Britain does use whistles. In fact, every country does use them on they're engines.
8:29 Great Scotland Yard. It's LNER A4 Pacific Locomotives 4489 Dominion Of Canada And 60008 Dwight D Eisenhower A Bit Like 4468 Mallard From The National Railway Museum In York In Yorkshire And 60009 Union Of South Africa From The Bury Transport Railway Museum Near The East Lancashire Railway In Lancashire And 4498 Sir Nigel Gresley From The North Yorkshire Moors Railway In Yorkshire In England In The United Kingdom. Thanks A Lot Mate. X
I love this. I love this so much, i make my own edited pics of british locos with cowcatchers
10:44 imagine that! What would people back then think if they saw the Canton Viaduct now. Used for premier Amtrak passenger trains at 125MPH
Great video thanks for the info. All the best from UK
You forgot to mention Waddon, the A1 Terrier Class that is preserved at the Canadian Railway Museum with Dominion of Canada.
I was aware of that engine, but it was excluded due to visiting Canada and not the United States. Same can be said for the Class 142 Pacers that appeared for the 1986 Vancouver Expo 86.
@@Pensyfan19 I know it's no longer possible to do so, but what if Flying Scotsman did a Mexican tour? Would she have to receive modifications to run in Mexico or is steam not allowed there?
@@adammiranda357 most likely, similar to the U.S. tour. However, I'm not sure if many railroads are interested in hosting steam excursions into Mexico after everything that happened with CP 2816, mostly due to lack of rail safety programs down there.
It’s actually national railway museum because in uk we say railway museum not railroad museum
Thanks for sharing! Very informative, and well put together! Keep up the good work!
thanks British locomotives on American Soil. waited this video for ages.
That would be perfect for the Awdry family's next Railway Series book.
The state of Maine first steam locomotive was called the pioneer she was a planet class loco from Stephensons company
You have to do a video on American locomotives who either visited or remain in England
Sadly, I don't think there are many examples of said engines to make a video for. Although, there were some Alco RS1s that were sold to an industrial mine in the UK, along with two SW1001s sold to mining companies in rural England. In regards to steam engines, I believe there was one shay that was built in the U.S. and brought over to Britain for a small railway a while ago, but I'm currently trying to obtain more research on this engine.
The British are coming
As for the D78s converted to branch line service, I have always thought the R32s (all stainless construction) would make great candidates for branch line and interurban service. Seeing them loading onto flatcars for scrap is wasted potential.
That rumour about Kings Dracoon Guardsman hasn’t been proven so it could’ve the actual Royal Scot
Where i use to live the district line D78 was still in use
9:05 By the way, that event was at Locomotion Shildon, not the NRM York :)
I kinda like that livery. I'm not so keen on the crosshead being connected to the drain cocks though...
I thought the Royal Scot never went to America but months ago I knew that
It’s funny I always think that British locomotive look like toys compared to American steam locomotives
ALoT Alot
But, for the vast expanse and distances covered by rail in the US, it's obvious to need a huge train. Our small country doesn't need sheer size.
I’ve actually been on LSWR 53 😛
5:05 Gloucester is pronounced 'gloster' not 'glowchester'
Like I said before..."Dook of WHERE?" 😅
I am ready
Very interesting vid showing our engines in the US!
But theres Very important reasons why American Cant really do Rail tours With their Some of there most Famous locomotives, the main reasons is due to Size, Weight and Height.
I can't get why American Railfans and British railfans cant get along. ;(
Cool vid however you missed one which is the a1 terrier (I can't remember the name off the top of my head)
True, although I believe that engine visited Canada, and doesn't qualify for this video.
@@Pensyfan19 ah i though u ment the hole of north America also its still in canada at the same museum as dominion
Great Video!
British trains, planes, and cars are okay make for a great novelty here in the USA,,, I know we can make are own trains and I am sure they like our cars and planes as well... Its Great Britain and it should matter now what we share...
Nice video. Just thought you'd like to know for future reference that Gloucester is pronounced "Glosster", a bit like how Worcester is "Wooster".
I wonder if there were any tours that American steam locomotives had in the UK or Australia (or Australian locomotives in the UK or America for that matter)?
Yes. They're called EMD/Progress Rail. As far as steam, I'm not so sure.
@@Pensyfan19 Imagine an American 4-4-0 "General" type steam locomotive like "York" or "Inyo" touring Victoria, Australia, to celebrate the gold rush that happened there around the same time as California's gold rush.
Near impossible for normal service US or Australian standard gauge steam to run in the UK. This is due to the UK structure/loading gauge being so much more restricted in height and width compared to Australia and especially the USA.
Those US designs that did run in the UK were specially built to be smaller to fit the height and width restrictions. From the 1890s Lovett Eames 4-2-2 then the GNR, MR and GCR US built 2-6-0s ordered around 1900 at a time of locomotive shortages.
Lots of US locomotives built for export to Australia. The most accessible are the Baldwin design 2-6-2T 2 ft 6 in gauge locomotives used on the Puffing Billy railway to this day. Although the Baldwin built pair were worn out and scrapped by the 1920s. The locally built versions from the VR Newport Workshops have quite a few still running providing a daily service.
The first Beyer Garratt articulated locomotive was built for the Tasmanian Government Railways.
Beyer Peacock in the UK saved it from scrap as it was historically inoortant and after many decades on static display it is in service again in the UK :
th-cam.com/video/FXCe3TQZi8s/w-d-xo.html
Although the films of it running in the UK rarely mention the Australian history of the locomotive
There are photos of the first Commonwealth Railways NSU diesel running on test in the UK when built.
A book preview on some of the early US locomotives purchased by Australian railways :
th-cam.com/video/Jfkb67KjQaE/w-d-xo.html
As well as the dominant British designs bought then the Australian designs as time went on.
I'm surprised there was no mention of Cripple Creek #4, thats also a british locomotive built by bagnal
I wasn't aware of this locomotive until now. Thank you for bringing light upon it.
Is "Gwen" what they based "Lady" on for the Thomas movie?
It looks similar, but I'm not exactly sure.
Underground train not a subway
Very beautiful show.
remove the buffers and coupler and add just an american coupler
What happens to the coordination coaches
I think they were eventually scrapped in the States.
Coronation went to America and saw the future, and it wasn’t steam!
Ironically the last tramcar operated in Liverpool is DUMPED at the seashore trolly museum and classed as scrap.
Manchester again in the UK experimented with Boeing streetcars but where scrapped as the where useless
Like how you butchered the name at 5.07. It pronounced 'Gloss-ster'.
I like flying scotsman
There is a John Bull locomotive right by Hicksville train station
Technically a replica with an inaccurate cab, but yes. Not too many people know about that replica in Hicksville.
Isn’t there a Bulleid pacific somewhere in North America?
Sounds interesting, but I can't seem to find any info about it. The closest things I can think of is Repton at Steamtown, and a canceled proposal to bring a Standard Class 8 to Sacramento Railfair '91.
I know you Americans call your unground a ' subway'
But we call ours 'THE TUBE' because it's looks like a tube.
The locomotive at 13:06
Has tube In it's name not subway
The Webb 2-2-2 compound locos could have a problem when operated by inexperienced drivers as it was possible when starting off to have the 2 sets of driving wheels turning in opposite directions. Embarrassing when attempting to leave a station! 😂
Dat's a stronga accent dan Bugs Bunny!
As a British train purist, I am not very fond of the S100 USA tanks and S160 as they look very out of place alongside British engines. I can't imagine what it would be like to see Pendennis Castle or the Terrier amongst American locos.
The most common locomotive in the UK nowadays is American built 👍
good show
Fascinating
why did repton have its buffers removed?
I think for AAR coupling reasons.
@@Pensyfan19 whats AAR?
@@percyengineproductions061 American Association of Railroads
@@Pensyfan19 well the other ones had their buffers kept on whilst doing those things, y not repton (albeit for display)
I trust you in the US can run your railways more efficiently that those in UK are run, especially at this time.
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@@overly7997 Depends on the railroad, but pretty much.
@@Pensyfan19 So I no longer feel alone! :-)
It's partially a matter of geographical size. The United Kingdom is smaller than the United States, so its rail network is bound to be more compact and practical, whereas the United States' rail network is generally not.
5:05 Dook of WHERE? 😅
dear god, there are so many!
you've completely forgotten about Pinkie
this is an outrage
I'm not sure what engine you're referring to, and when I try to look up the name I get the protagonist from My Little Pony...
@Pensyfan19 pinkie, the Nelson tank that was the switcher for one of the industries on the Sydney and Louisburg in nova Scotia
hell you even featured one of the S&L engines in one of the photos of repton
@falfan7.62 You're right. It also happens that a lot of other British imports were rostered by that railroad too. However, Nova Scotia is not part of the U.S. and it wouldn't qualify to be included in this video. I'll try to see if I can mention this railroad and its diverse roster somehow in the future though.
@Pensyfan19 that'd be great, the S&L has a really interesting roster
Ah yeah as of today 60008 60010 and waddon are still reside in Canada and USA
Hi
*THE BRITISH ARE COMING! THE BRITISH ARE COMING!*
Next: UK locos in other countries
Gloucester is pronounced glester
Are you sure, I thought it was gloster?
"Ex-Subway trains"? they are not "Ex-subway trains" they are Ex-Underground trains my friend as they are from the UK, and it insults me for u to call them "Ex-Subway trains" as I am from the UK.
09:37 - The engine arrived in NY in 1829, but you used an illustration with the Brooklyn Bridge in the background which was opened in 1883.
Unliked and unsubscribed. Fake Video. 0/10
LOL JK good job.
be nice if ya know
KEPT them
Ah yes, America my home country
IT WOULD BE FUN TO SEE THE UNION PACIFIC 4014 TAKE A ROMP AND STOP THROUGH BRITAIN THEN THROUGH THE CHUNNEL TO EUROPE, IF THE CLEARANCE STANDARDS COULD HANDLE IT!
DURING WW2 THERE WERE ASTOUNDED GERMAN PRISONERS OF WAR INTERNED IN USA WHO SAW THE BIG BOYS IN ACTION, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEAT AN ENEMY THAT COULD BUILD SUCH A MASSIVE ENGINE!
Vivarail are no longer, just gone bankrupt.
Last I heard they applied to enter administration about a month ago. I assume that's the equivalent of bankruptcy? Or is this a new development?
@@Pensyfan19 They did go into administration, but didn’t last long enough I presume. I know this, because I know someone who works for Network Rail in Bletchley as a signaller and there aren’t any trains running on the Marston Vale line, due to the bankruptcy of Vivarail; a line that I also need to go to Northampton Town from Kettering, Northamptonshire. So I now rely on long distance buses now. London and Northwestern Railway (L.N.R.) relies on Vivarail, as Vivarail owns the trains and L.N.R. only operates them.
Thomas the tank engine in the big apple.
Please limit your suggestions to one comment for future episodes.
Thomas the tank engine in America.
*Gets sent to America And being rebuilt into a heavyweight Articulated 15ft tall Tank engine*
Yep I can see that happening, hell I wont be surprised.
Gloucester is pronounced gloss-ter not glaww-cestrr
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