Crossfire. Failsafes done. Surprisngly I had a lot of success with FlySky before I got a Taranis and eventually Crossfire. Crossfire is so simple - over the air updates of receivers. One thing to do is mount your RX antenna at the front of the quad - that way when you turn around to come home the rx antenna will in facing you. You'll start losing link quality (RSSI) on the way out, then you just turn around the the LQ should improve straight away. These days you get the diversity nano Crossfire RX and you can have one antenna at the front and one at the back. If you put them on arms you can do one on the left and one on the right. You can also do the same with some of the HD VTX's these days - some of them come with two antennas. If you want to do long range every system (i.e. control link and video) that has a transmitter or antenna needs to be top quality. True RC make some nice video antennas. And the tuned TX antennae for Crossfire is pretty good.
Hi There, just found your channel. Quick question, do both antennas (on drone and goggles) need to be the same length? I have a hglrc LR antenna on the drone but a small foxeer lollipop v3 on the goggles. Same DB. Thanks . New Sub 🤙🏻
Great question! No they don’t, you can use different lengths. The further away from your head the receiving antenna is though the better. Also they both must have the same polarization RHCP or LHCP
@@elbedouirayen7938 it could really be your vtx or camera too. AKK and RDQ, vtx are pretty much crap. The best ones are TBS unify pro 32 HV, the Rush Tank, rush tank solo. Also be sure to turn off any diversity syncing. Sometimes that can mess with the reception if the system doesn’t like the camera you’re using.
@@elbedouirayen7938 also always try to use the least amount of antenna connections as possible. So if you’re going from MMCC to SMA then get an antenna that’s an MMCX connector only.
Man if you try the range don't fly over houses. It's very dangerous don't do it anymore and for vtx 800mw max because when you use 1w or 2w it's get so hot than the power in mw goes down
Gab's FPV did you even watch the video. We talk about failsafes. Your not going to failsafes on crossfire at 1600ft unless you’re flying from a nuclear bunker. Especially at 250mw. Also hitting someone implies there is someone to hit. There are not massive crowds of people standing besides each house. Com’on man...
3 years in the future and I can say that most of this is spot on. However I think the most significant improvement to an analog long range setup is long lolly-pop antennas, both for the VTX and the receiver antennas on your goggles. Your head and the frame of the quad are the 2 biggest sources of interference. Mounting the camera at 3 points and not 2, is a biggy too. It only needs to waggle 1 degree and the picture's a zig zag mess. ELRS is hugely more affordable than TBS XF and works so well. With built in WiFi they are super simple however use 115200 Baud rate if you use a module.
Most goggles can actually take an external module with an adapter. Pretty sure it adds a bit of latency to the video feed but it's pretty nice that you can have cheap goggles with rapidfire and upgrade the goggles later and keep using the same module.
you know not to bash your vidoe but this is why you should be required to have a ham radio license. when you have your ham radio license you should have the basics at how frequencies propagate on different bands and why people use 2.4 and 5.8 ghz frequencies. which frequencies does your country use and what the gentleman agreement is. i have been a licensed ham radio guy for about 5 years now, but you should know why team black sheep and other companies use these frequencies. Just admit you dont know. you most likely do not know that frequencies are proportionate to the size of the wave length. What frequencies propagate the best in certain temperatures. if your an expert in drones you should be an expert in frequency ranges and the distance they can travel. what frequencies penetrate the best and why. Maybe its time you take that test. its a 35 question test from a 400 pool of questions. if i can pass it you can pass it. And take ham radio classes it will help you understand to be a better pilot.
Wait what the Fuck. Skyzone has 3rd party module support since Sky02. I am flying Dji digital system now but before that, I was all about skyzone. With the Rapidfire Module. and when I race it all skyzone.
After stupidly close frsky failsafes, I put crossfire in everything I have. Never had a failsafe since. My skyzone 03o goggles worked pretty well with the internal and you can add a module to them. But I went to dji. Way way better penetration with dji. Not sure how the hell that even works since it's also 5.8ghz.
This video is pretty outdated, now with express lrs you can have even more range and less latency, 2 times smaller recievers with a total price half of a crossfire cost.
Tell me you know what your talking about without telling me you know what your talking about. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 although I don’t mind the convenance of crossfire for the extra few dollars. And latency isn’t a big issue when you use something like the DJI vista for long range.
Hell I realized with a decent 5.8 setup I could go quite a ways on the ground with a car and massive obstructions in the way. It really is Harry Potter science sometimes. This is all great information though. I would say technically to cosign your statements here.. so long as you are in the air with what is more or less LOS you should technically be able to travel any distance in theoretical LOS on any kind of system that's 5.8g or below. What I've been stuck on is how people are achieving long range at ground level and through massive amounts of obstructions using 1.3g or even digital 5.8g. It's a whole new level of Harry Potter magic.
He is right you could go really long on 5.8 without a groundstation. Just made 20 km with perfect video. I think 30-45 km is no problem. Im using a 3w akk vtx a pagonda and a 16turn helical on a wildfire modul.
if you know how it works...any brand will be good in your hands...😊... one thing you need to know...all electronic things can break without our will even if they are very expensive...it's according to our luck
Thanks so much, as a new pilot this info. is tremendously helpful and will save me money in the long run, as you said you found most of this information out the hard way, and that usually also means the expensive way. I’ve made a list of all your recommendations. Thanks again.👍
True, at the time of this video, DJI needed some desperate firmware updates. But there is a point where analog can go further than DJI. By a mile or two in the right conditions.
Karekin, thanks so much for the video! I'm really interested in long range FPV ground and air. That's the reason I recently decided to get into the hobby. I have no RC background and I have found it difficult to determine what system will achieve max range. If I look around the internet at a particular month, I see there is no consensus on the best setup. I see people posting range videos with many different setups. Are there resources that you recommend like forums, or TH-camrs, etc.? Does the controller matter when it comes to range? I've been reading through Long Range Hooligans on Facebook, various TH-cam videos, and AMA website. I just bought the RadioMaster TX12.
just ordered a tango2 prop. im graduating from an evo 1 to mountain surfing up in the great state of washington. so i got my evo and now to somthing like the 7 inch croc
1600 feet is actually pretty bad for 5.8 without a groundstation. With my 7" kwads and a 5ah 4s I make 8km out and back easily and with my zohd dart 20km+ with no problem.
I would really like to know everything technical about drones, but it's soooo frustrating that no one explains literally EVERYTHING about drones and how every component works.
@@arkansasaviation5299 without a GoPro and 1300kv motors easy 20+ min. With a GoPro 8 around 12-18 on 1700kv motors. I can cruise at like 60 with 1700kv motors.
Great vid mate I also gave the qx7 Did you do the mod to get the module to work or has that limitation been overcome And do you recommend the mini over the full size TBS module ??
I wasn't able to get the crossfire settings to work on the QX7 and never tried the mod. I would just plug it into the computer and use TBS agent to change all the settings. It works great! I love the new mini v2 it goes up to 1w but i've gone 2 miles on 500mw with no problems.
My $115 Hubsan h501s will go 1.5 miles out of the box without mods and I still have video reception. But my $500 Quad takes all kinds of mods to do that. Going to find a INAV video after watching this video. I love my R9M 2019 but I need a RTH where it lands at my feet if needed. Then I guess I will need DJI Digital LR for video.
just ordered tango 2 pro ver3 board, with nano diversity, i guess now i have to retire my 40 $ box diversity which i never used, been using anlogue on my DJI goggles RE which came with mavic Pro2, trying to build a 10 mile range 7 inch, long road ahead but i need good googles with good module, thanks for advice
Brian Reip bro that would be killer! Also a 1.6ghz Digital FPV system combo. I know TBS could make a killer digital system. With like 7-15ms latency. That freq is just enough separation to work with crossfire and still keep the crossfires rang greater than video and give amazing penetration.
Your making it sound that TBS is plug and play , it is not ,you have to open up your Taranis and do soldering mods to it and newbies that are getting into the hobby that don't own soldering irons and don't have the skill to do it are getting the impression that you just slide in the module and bind , it is not like that, they risk blowing the taranis. a true plug and play module is the Frsky R9 system , however if taranis mod for tbs system is done correctly it is more reliable.
Blind what are you talking about. That’s false, 100%. It works perfect on the QX7 right out of the box. You have to use TBS agent to configure it on the computer. But it works fine. I’ve taken mine 3km.
@@KAREKINFPV Hello, thanks for recommending these Parts!! it's really helpful to us beginners because there's so many to choose from. I'm quite interested with that 3km build that you mentioned. can you give us the parts list? Thanks ^_^
xTrinity sure! I’ll try and create a separate video for that, but email me at cksagherian@gmail.com and I’ll send you the parts list so you don’t have to wait for my video! 😉
If you have an antenna plugged into the crossfire module on your radio then do you need to use the second antenna (where you have the dipole one attached)?
Yes. I love DJI. It's a fantastic option for many people. Out of the box there is nothing that can compare to it penetration wise. Long range is possible with DJI, however breakup is mush different than analog, you have to be very careful when reaching the outer limits of the system as the video will just freeze and typically doesn't come back. Many like Nurk FPV have taken the system 2 miles. It's really sketch, but he's done it. 2Km is no problem though. I would be nervous to go any further than 3km. Also please keep in mind that increasing the output power over 700mw doesn't seem to improve the range based on a few tests I've seen.
Ordered a TBS Crossfire micro Tx V2 with a nano rec plus 3 TBS Immortal T antennas (one extended) 1 TBS Crossfire Nano diversity rx, TBS Unify Pro V3 5.8GHz, TBS Triumph Pro RHCP. If it dont work Im coming to your place and using your gear lol. All gear arrived and Im still smiling. Subbed. Now I have to put it all together but thats the best part.
Dude awesome!! Your going to LOVE your setup now! Your gonna have better reliability than a Toyota!! Just make sure you set everything up correctly! But it sounds like you got this!! Share some clips of long range with me, I’m working on a viewer spotlight episod soon!
@@KAREKINFPV Sounds good to me, Im going to setup another youtube channel just for my LR flights with TBS gear. Ill be flying quads and planes. Will send you a link to the page once I set it up. I have a lot of work to do including the mod for the QX7 for Crossfire but I now have everything I need to start and get in the air. Ive gone 5Km on my own builds with 2.4 gear but this is a game changer.
dude thanks for this video so much. I'm struggling trying to learn everything there is with FPV's. I have the fat shark dominator v3 goggles and am buying the rapid fire module tonight! I was about to buy your antenna setup but you said the spironet LZR is much further signal?? could you explain that for me? it looks like its only $29 and I really want to invest in the BEST. Please help and thanks for the educational video!
Awesome man, I’m glad I could help! With the rapidfire, just be sure to install the secondary power cable in the V3’s. The only issue with the spironet setup is that it’s very directional. It’s made for long flights directly in front if you. The setup on mine is a great midrange and all around you setup.
I appreciate this video. I saw some people were frustrated. But I liked that you laid out the parts that affect long range control and video and the best building blocks to get there.
good video, well thought out but I have to dispel a couple misconception that you had and that I also had. Firstly when you say that you have to get a certain video receiver to achieve proper long range this is mostly false. Yes higher end video receiving modules have alittle higher sensitivity (they will more easily pick up and decode a signal) this is not required for long range. Unless you're in a area with high mulpltipathing or flying through thick walls then you will get similar, if not the same, with a 40-50$ module. Note that those ones that are recommended cost around 80-150$. The second thing you FAIL to mention is adding a GPS to you module. You recommend all these expensive parts but not a 15-25$ GPS? or even proper lower pitch propellers, to the better flight time. (so simple) MORE EXPENSIVE(TOP END) DOESNT ALWAYS MEAN MORE RANGE (PERFORMANCE) This is a growing hobby, and alot of people are just now getting into it, why not recommend TESTED lowered end parts since not every one can afford upward of 1300$ for a complete build. At that point just but 2 DJI Mavics. You'll easily get 3.5Km that way. You sound quite ignorant in you way of explaining things. Your using your experience as a solo fpv pilot to direct viewer to a specific product without investigating other option, which the large fpv community recommend. Overall, You video is just too specific to one group of audience. those who are willing to buy the most expensive stuff thinking they will get better range. Not to mention your ignorance towards certain thing. Here's a video of how its actually done : th-cam.com/video/-9sUGHTH9N4/w-d-xo.html
David Lewis it doesn’t sound like you have any experience using GPS, even the best pilots like NURK Fpv will tell you, you CAN NOT count on a $15 GPS recover to work on Betaflight. Do you know how many people have lost their kuad by simply testing the Betaflight GPS settings. Sure you can use iNav instead for “slightly” better GPS features, but even people like Bardwell can’t get it running correctly all the time. So what’s the point in even adding. Also this video wasn’t about “GPS” it was about video quality. As I stated several times in my video, “these are generalizations” some may have gotten better or worse results using cheaper gear. Lastly, FPv Is and will always be an expensive hobby. it sounds like you’re doing well with your cheap gear, which is great! As long as you’re having fun.
If your having problems with your analog gear, it’s probably because you have some cheap parts that were not configured correctly. Or defective old used parts.
@@KAREKINFPV Your Welcome. You are absolutely correct though. Even in Betaflight they tell you that GPS Recuse is a BETA feature. but it is good to have, especially when all else fails. Its literally the only thing that will bring your quad back even after lets say you somehow fail safe on a crossfire (unlikely) or you lose video transmission ( more likely). Not to mention the OSD home arrow it provides. The benefits of all those thing out weigh the small likelihood that it wont work properly. Epically with betaflight 4.2, GPS figures are alot more reliable. As shown here th-cam.com/video/GE6K9HiTO90/w-d-xo.html Flight time as far as battery usage, props pitch and motor Kv is just as important as any gear you recommend. lets me ask you this, what's the point of having all of this gear when you can't even go 1km before it's time to turn back because you're about to use up all of your battery capacity. Yes I have had bad and good experience with more affordable gear. However I did upgrade to a few things you listed way before seeing this video and I have also had bad and good experiences with those aswell. Point being, again MORE EXPENSIVE DOESNT MEAN HIGHER PROFORMANCE. Fpv doesnt have to be expensive for you to have a good time or go long range contrary to what you stated in your reply. You suggesting to the community to invest 400-600$ to achieve long range is an example of someone who has only tried whatever is trending. when in reality you can achieve long range with 250$ or less worth of upgrades. Like I said good video, there are just a few things that are not completely Factual. Especially when you have new comer to the hobby who are apart of your audience who will leave thinking that the only way they can achieve they're desired range without the equipment on your recommendation. Happy Flying though.
Okay to summarize it a as leymann - We need VTX + spec. antenna for the VTX on the Quad, then we need a Module that should go in the Goggles to receive the video, then we need Goggle Antennas to amp the module and see a nice pic. Then the other way around we need another module that connects to the radio, preferably Corssfire from TBS, and a receiver to receive the signal from the radio, that goes on the Quad? Does the receiver on the Quad need an antenna? Same question for the Radio module? And one final question? Is there on the word a chance to connect this video receiving module with any sort of monitor or even better - an ipad instead of goggles? Hate these goggles sorry but I get a headache...
Screw TBS crossfire on a Quadcopter. Got with TBS Tracer! Yes, it's 2Ghz its 25Km distance, and its only 3ms latency. for Quads with limited battery range anyway. Tracer is much better than Crossfire.
Awesom man! I started with very basic stuff but it’s hard to find the basic direction to go in sometimes. I’m glad it helped you! Give me a follow on Instagram if your ok there. @karekin_Fpv
Mr Karekin! I learnt so much from just this one video! Any chance you'd do the same guide for dji fpv set up? Im using dji transmitter with dji v1 axii antennas... however i do need a vtx antenna guide on my drone. Not sure what to go for. Thank you!
@@KAREKINFPV too expensive. Im from Malaysia and it cost around RM1,500. Imagine that in $1,500. I understand that FPV hobby is expensive. Im just trying to get a cheap mid range signals. I have issues with my FPV signals. My setup are: - mobula 7 - flysky i6 - FuriBee VR01 The issue are: - signal lost within 3-5 meters
@@alexruka I understand price is a lot. This issue sounds like you have a bad antenna on either your VTX or goggles.Also I don’t think the mobula has a very high output power. 25 - 200mw. But 3-5 meters is very short. Insure you are on the correct channel also.
@@KAREKINFPV does a minor scratch on the VTX antenna can cause issue too? Yes sir 3-5m im not lying its too short. Only 2 channel i can found. The others distorted. And also, thanks for the fast reply. Really appreciate that. You got my sub🙏
@@alexruka the vtx may be bad. I would purchase a new vtx first with a new antenna. Then test it and make sure you’re on the correct channel. If it’s still not working then it’s your goggles or the goggles antennas.
Very helpful video. Thanks man! Tho I'm a bit sad to hear I'm not gonna be able to get a descent setup for less than $800. Guess I'll stick to the simulators a while longer.
Goggle wise, unfortunately no. It’s an expensive hobby. While others have had various results with less expensive goggles. To get the best results you’ll want one of these. Check your local classifieds, Craigslist. Facebook. You may be able to find a nice used pair of goggles.
Tell me you don’t go long range without telling me you don’t go long range. 😂😂 I’m kidding but access is garbage for real long range. If you get more than 3/4 of a mile ur LUCKY!!
Good info here. But Dipoles can be used for long range, you just have to have linear antennas on your goggles too. There aren't as many options for linear patch antennas on the market, and most people think the regular dipole "rubber ducky" antenna is worthless, but I have gotten some of the best reception flying one of those and a nice linear patch. Try it some time!
Do you have a tango 2? I won’t fly a tango 2 because I don’t think the power output is correct. I could never get one that didn’t have issues. I always use the full sized radio and micro TX.
I have been flying my True-D for a while with really good results. Wanted to build out a ground station using my Pro58 with Achilles and was really surprised at how well it works still! Anyway, great video and right on with antennas. I have the AXII V2’s installed with an ORT 6 turn helical...it affords me clear video out to the range of my quads pack, about 5km. Long Range piloting really is a discipline that requires some thought going in to your setup for success.
Remember guys, tbs crossfire has some special wavelength that he doesn't know of and you,ve got to just use it and he cant explain why? Lol. Wouldn't happen to be 900Mhz low frequency by any chance?...
And please don't say thing without trying like the skyzone 03O build in modual is like a true D X so it's very good and you don't need fatshark l fly dom v2 with rapidfire but skyzone are better maybe not the rang but like 10%/15% less
If it wasn’t for the telemetry issue I might agree. With the highest power RX you can maybe get telemetry out to 1 mile. With crossfire it’s at least 3.5-4
Your version of long range is much different than 3 to mile is very easy and all I use for video is 5.8 900 fry sky but I fly plane quads have have nothing but electrical garbage all around them that is where you get so much interference and most good video is all in the wiring not spending a fortune like this guy wants you to. My buddy spent a fortune with all that stuff he is selling and I usually go farther than him.
Most people don’t know how to build a helical antenna. And range is a function of your RF environment as much as it is your equipment. It’s easier to say, “buy a good antenna” than, “here try and build this crazy looking thing”, I fly DJI now though and fly 4km almost daily. I should probably make an update for this video.
@@KAREKINFPV I know, just joking dude. Great video and nice tips. Agree with what you're saying, there are many different ways to achieve good results. The gear you recommend here is quite robust and should definitely get the job done.
It states on the TBS website that the theoretical distance of a full Crossfire module is 50 miles. That’s what I said. The TANGO 2 has a theoretical distance of 25 miles. Go keep flying your R9 some more and we’ll see who makes it back.
Anyone watching this video now. TBS Crossfire is no longer the best protocol, ELRS(ExspressLRS) is a much better overall protocol now. TBS Crossfire is a little but simpler to set up but its not quite as good.
ELRS is a joke. There are few situations where crossfire isnt still the gold standard in reliable long range. I know many people who cannot break even 1 mile with ELRS 2.4 no matter what bardwell says, and ELRS 915 you might as well use crossfire. Crossfire is good for 5. I should make an updated video though. Which would also include ELES.
4:16 Does TBS Crossfire system includes Tango 2 pro remote controller? I'm still learning, doesnt have quads yet but if I buy, I want long range and I'm eyeing for Tango 2 pro. Is it good enough?
Its the other way around friend. The tango includes the tbs crossfire, so yes. However its not a full crossfire system. You'll only get 250mw instead of the 2000mw output power of the solo crossfire module. If your gonna be flying in area with lots of trees or inference then you might be better off investing in a solo module and a frsky transmitter. Its gonna cost you about the same. The solo module is sold out at alot of places but you can find them here for a good price and fast shipping. Thats where I got mine 5/5 stars. www.amainhobbies.com/team-blacksheep-crossfire-lite-transmitter-module-tbs-crossfire-lite/p850719 Happy flying.
@@davidlewis7155 I mean, does it include Tango 2 on the system he is talking about? I do know that Tango 2 has a limit of 500mW (for now) thats why im asking IF Tango 2 is part of his recommendation (crossfire system) because i really like the small form factor. What do you think?
I understand. I wouldn't say it's a recommendation but its nice to have. Its designed specifically for fpv drones. And it shows in the form factor, like you said. I have one but I have huge hands so its almost feel like a ps4 controller which is fine but I just like how the frsky trannis feels alittle better. It's definitely up to the user to decide though. But I will say this, if you don't have overgrown hands like myself, you'll definitely appreciate the design of the tango 2 and if you're not doing rediclous long range then the power limitations won't be an issue either. Its definitely a good investment.
@@davidlewis7155 Thanks for that. I'm all in for long range so I might need to buy something that can accommodate the crossfire modules and use it's full power. TBS demo'd the tango 2 up to 51km but I think they used a "separate ground equipment" that boost signals w/c isn't really ideal for a lot of pilots
@@bendixtrinity you're welcome. Usually when they test their equipment its under close to ideal circumstances. So in reality you might even end up with 25% (+/-) less range. So going for the full module to make up for that lost isn't a bad idea. That being said, you're gonna run out of video signal range way before any failsafe issues. I recommend Akk race ranger (international version 1600mw) and a pair of Spironet LRZ Array and for extreme long range the clearview 2.0 racer. Gotten up to 9km this way with just the akk race ranger ,with crystal clear video. Only reason I didn't get more was because of my battery. And as far as antennas go, you'll be way happier with a cloverleaf or a pagoda with a longer stem. Happy flying mate.
basically you have a lot of money as you are advising every expensive option. Should not people get a gold plated frame too? easier to see in the grass. Lol. You need a good rth setup to fly your device back if you out distance your tx and rx gear.
I’ve had this discussion with people before. A nice AKK 1w+ VTX is like $45, you can buy a pair of dom V3 used for like $140 and a true d module for $40. It’s hardly the most expensive option. You get what you pay for.
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Crossfire. Failsafes done. Surprisngly I had a lot of success with FlySky before I got a Taranis and eventually Crossfire. Crossfire is so simple - over the air updates of receivers.
One thing to do is mount your RX antenna at the front of the quad - that way when you turn around to come home the rx antenna will in facing you.
You'll start losing link quality (RSSI) on the way out, then you just turn around the the LQ should improve straight away.
These days you get the diversity nano Crossfire RX and you can have one antenna at the front and one at the back. If you put them on arms you can do one on the left and one on the right.
You can also do the same with some of the HD VTX's these days - some of them come with two antennas.
If you want to do long range every system (i.e. control link and video) that has a transmitter or antenna needs to be top quality.
True RC make some nice video antennas.
And the tuned TX antennae for Crossfire is pretty good.
Hi There, just found your channel. Quick question, do both antennas (on drone and goggles) need to be the same length? I have a hglrc LR antenna on the drone but a small foxeer lollipop v3 on the goggles. Same DB. Thanks . New Sub 🤙🏻
Great question! No they don’t, you can use different lengths. The further away from your head the receiving antenna is though the better. Also they both must have the same polarization RHCP or LHCP
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What about elrs ?
i have the betafpv goggles, can i put a rapidfire on it?
Its not good, gooder, great, its good, better, great
Please what about foxeer wildfire module?
It’s a decent module. Not as good as true D Or fusion.
@@KAREKINFPV thank u cuz when i mount it on the ev 800 d as a mod no improvement really
@@elbedouirayen7938 it could really be your vtx or camera too. AKK and RDQ, vtx are pretty much crap. The best ones are TBS unify pro 32 HV, the Rush Tank, rush tank solo. Also be sure to turn off any diversity syncing. Sometimes that can mess with the reception if the system doesn’t like the camera you’re using.
@@KAREKINFPV ok friend thank u so much then i try this
@@elbedouirayen7938 also always try to use the least amount of antenna connections as possible. So if you’re going from MMCC to SMA then get an antenna that’s an MMCX connector only.
Man if you try the range don't fly over houses. It's very dangerous don't do it anymore and for vtx 800mw max because when you use 1w or 2w it's get so hot than the power in mw goes down
Yea very dangerous for my kuad because If it goes down I won’t be getting on someone’s roof to find it. The roof will be fine.
@@KAREKINFPV no if you failsafe you will hit someone
Gab's FPV did you even watch the video. We talk about failsafes. Your not going to failsafes on crossfire at 1600ft unless you’re flying from a nuclear bunker. Especially at 250mw. Also hitting someone implies there is someone to hit. There are not massive crowds of people standing besides each house. Com’on man...
@@KAREKINFPV you know that in the city there is a lot of rf interference so you can failsafe at 100m like 2km but you don't have anough experience
@@gabrielbruni3924 That's hilarious because I've gone 1km in the city with zero problems.
3 years in the future and I can say that most of this is spot on. However I think the most significant improvement to an analog long range setup is long lolly-pop antennas, both for the VTX and the receiver antennas on your goggles. Your head and the frame of the quad are the 2 biggest sources of interference.
Mounting the camera at 3 points and not 2, is a biggy too. It only needs to waggle 1 degree and the picture's a zig zag mess.
ELRS is hugely more affordable than TBS XF and works so well. With built in WiFi they are super simple however use 115200 Baud rate if you use a module.
Elrs is great cheaper alternative to TBS if you're willing to learn and set it up.
@@tommegg8486 It's kind of what hobby's are about. While flying is fun it's always better when you learn something that enhances the experience.
Most goggles can actually take an external module with an adapter. Pretty sure it adds a bit of latency to the video feed but it's pretty nice that you can have cheap goggles with rapidfire and upgrade the goggles later and keep using the same module.
It's not long range without a ground station and a pole XD
macelius true! That’s reeaaall long range. Something our mini quad batteries won’t work for.
Bro skyzone can take an external module with an adapter and they are pretty good for 220$ as you can upgrade the module in the future
Yupsss 😂😂
I have Skyzone Cobra X and rapidmix module
With this pair its pretty good box google
Skyzone 04x has 2 module bays for quadversity. Mine work great!
you know not to bash your vidoe but this is why you should be required to have a ham radio license. when you have your ham radio license you should have the basics at how frequencies propagate on different bands and why people use 2.4 and 5.8 ghz frequencies. which frequencies does your country use and what the gentleman agreement is. i have been a licensed ham radio guy for about 5 years now, but you should know why team black sheep and other companies use these frequencies. Just admit you dont know. you most likely do not know that frequencies are proportionate to the size of the wave length. What frequencies propagate the best in certain temperatures. if your an expert in drones you should be an expert in frequency ranges and the distance they can travel. what frequencies penetrate the best and why. Maybe its time you take that test. its a 35 question test from a 400 pool of questions. if i can pass it you can pass it. And take ham radio classes it will help you understand to be a better pilot.
Wait what the Fuck. Skyzone has 3rd party module support since Sky02. I am flying Dji digital system now but before that, I was all about skyzone. With the Rapidfire Module. and when I race it all skyzone.
After stupidly close frsky failsafes, I put crossfire in everything I have. Never had a failsafe since. My skyzone 03o goggles worked pretty well with the internal and you can add a module to them. But I went to dji. Way way better penetration with dji. Not sure how the hell that even works since it's also 5.8ghz.
Now we are ELRS and haven't looked back since
The "best" is Express LRS. But it's not as easy as TBS Crossfire. At least for now.
That meme with peter Griffen comes to mind, the one with the top hats. 😂😂
This video is pretty outdated, now with express lrs you can have even more range and less latency, 2 times smaller recievers with a total price half of a crossfire cost.
Tell me you know what your talking about without telling me you know what your talking about. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 although I don’t mind the convenance of crossfire for the extra few dollars. And latency isn’t a big issue when you use something like the DJI vista for long range.
Hell I realized with a decent 5.8 setup I could go quite a ways on the ground with a car and massive obstructions in the way. It really is Harry Potter science sometimes. This is all great information though. I would say technically to cosign your statements here.. so long as you are in the air with what is more or less LOS you should technically be able to travel any distance in theoretical LOS on any kind of system that's 5.8g or below. What I've been stuck on is how people are achieving long range at ground level and through massive amounts of obstructions using 1.3g or even digital 5.8g. It's a whole new level of Harry Potter magic.
“Extended stubby” 😂😂 good video though
He is right you could go really long on 5.8 without a groundstation. Just made 20 km with perfect video. I think 30-45 km is no problem. Im using a 3w akk vtx a pagonda and a 16turn helical on a wildfire modul.
Wow that’s fantastic results!!! Great job!
if you know how it works...any brand will be good in your hands...😊...
one thing you need to know...all electronic things can break without our will even if they are very expensive...it's according to our luck
The Scout works actually decent, great quality and good Range without any upgrades & you can also adapt modules later on ;) Great Video!
What about the new Happymodel Express LRS? $24 rx $24 tx and its been tested up to 30km?
I’ve heard great things about express LRS. I wish they had a 433mhz version. It’s just not as easy to setup as Crossfire
@@KAREKINFPV I think thats what the happymodel one is supposed to fix, it comes pre flashed so i think its just bind and fly at that point.
@@akaKrypt nice! Please keep me posted on your findings.
My video signal will broken immediately during flight when someone turn on their digital drone 😭
Dude i went 1mile on 200mw with a eachine ev800dm
Thats pretty freakin good man!
Ola…. You are close to Dallas… any local Drone Groups you would recommend? (We live in Grandview)
Thanks so much, as a new pilot this info. is tremendously helpful and will save me money in the long run, as you said you found most of this information out the hard way, and that usually also means the expensive way. I’ve made a list of all your recommendations. Thanks again.👍
Awesome man I’m glad I can help!!
Lol i wish, everything over 25mw needs an Amateur Radio License in Germany
May as well go with DJI for the price
True, at the time of this video, DJI needed some desperate firmware updates. But there is a point where analog can go further than DJI. By a mile or two in the right conditions.
Just gonna throw that out there but there are a lot of countrys that the tbs crossfire is illegal to use because of military usage of that wavelength
No TBS CROSSFIRE. GO FOR RADIOLINK. Say with me "RADIOLINK"
Say it with me, radiolink is a brand of radio, not a TX/RX protocol.
Karekin, thanks so much for the video! I'm really interested in long range FPV ground and air. That's the reason I recently decided to get into the hobby. I have no RC background and I have found it difficult to determine what system will achieve max range. If I look around the internet at a particular month, I see there is no consensus on the best setup. I see people posting range videos with many different setups.
Are there resources that you recommend like forums, or TH-camrs, etc.?
Does the controller matter when it comes to range?
I've been reading through Long Range Hooligans on Facebook, various TH-cam videos, and AMA website. I just bought the RadioMaster TX12.
Does your goggle advice still hold true in 2022?
No i need to make an update to this video. If you are looking for long range get DJI. Checkout my TT channel same name. I just went 3 miles on DJI.
@@KAREKINFPV TT? TikTok?
@@thebikeracer yea tiktok
just ordered a tango2 prop. im graduating from an evo 1 to mountain surfing up in the great state of washington. so i got my evo and now to somthing like the 7 inch croc
1600 feet is actually pretty bad for 5.8 without a groundstation. With my 7" kwads and a 5ah 4s I make 8km out and back easily and with my zohd dart 20km+ with no problem.
I agree, I’ve gone 2 miles on DJI but in the city it’s a whole different ball game.
I would really like to know everything technical about drones, but it's soooo frustrating that no one explains literally EVERYTHING about drones and how every component works.
Ill see if i can make a full videos.
What kinda battery do you need for a Chimera7 6S to fly long range?
I use these on my chimera 7 liionrc.com/products/6s-4-200-mah-45amp-long-range-fpv-drone-battery-range-v1-lithium-ion
@@KAREKINFPV What kinda flight time and speed are you getting out of that pack?
@@arkansasaviation5299 without a GoPro and 1300kv motors easy 20+ min. With a GoPro 8 around 12-18 on 1700kv motors. I can cruise at like 60 with 1700kv motors.
@@arkansasaviation5299 this is the most popular LR battery for 7” on the market.
How so you connect to a screen like a computer monitor instead of a goggle
Great vid mate
I also gave the qx7
Did you do the mod to get the module to work or has that limitation been overcome
And do you recommend the mini over the full size TBS module ??
I wasn't able to get the crossfire settings to work on the QX7 and never tried the mod. I would just plug it into the computer and use TBS agent to change all the settings. It works great! I love the new mini v2 it goes up to 1w but i've gone 2 miles on 500mw with no problems.
My $115 Hubsan h501s will go 1.5 miles out of the box without mods and I still have video reception. But my $500 Quad takes all kinds of mods to do that. Going to find a INAV video after watching this video. I love my R9M 2019 but I need a RTH where it lands at my feet if needed. Then I guess I will need DJI Digital LR for video.
I’m shocked that thing will go so far. 😂😂 but it’s so true. iNav is a great option. Same with Pixhawk, but pixhawk isn’t really meant for a mini kuad.
you,ve obviously got the wrong quad if its £500 and takes all kinds of mods
@@k1ortia he was being hyperbolic. Generally there’re more expensive. 😂😂 thanks for the reply!
ELRS is the BEST🤗
1 year later “ELRS” not tbs crossfire
so i shall stay away of SKYZONE SKY02O?
just ordered tango 2 pro ver3 board, with nano diversity, i guess now i have to retire my 40 $ box diversity which i never used, been using anlogue on my DJI goggles RE which came with mavic Pro2,
trying to build a 10 mile range 7 inch, long road ahead but i need good googles with good module, thanks for advice
Great video, helped me a lot 😍
Can you please tell me the name of the song at the beginnig and at the end? I would really appreciate it - thanks.
Hey thanks man. I have the song somewhere but I forgot the name. I may be able to find it.
they need to make a crossfire vtx and goggle combo
Brian Reip bro that would be killer! Also a 1.6ghz Digital FPV system combo. I know TBS could make a killer digital system. With like 7-15ms latency. That freq is just enough separation to work with crossfire and still keep the crossfires rang greater than video and give amazing penetration.
What about elrs? Is it better then crossfire?
Do i need different module and vtx in order to switch antennae? (From dipole to lollipop) Or can I get away with plugging in different antennae?
Check which connector you have? Sometimes dipole will have a UFL connector or MMCX. But you can omnis for UFL and MMCX.
FrSky R9M looks like a good competitor to TBS. Also works in 900Mhz and is long-range too.
I’ve just heard so many people have stupid problems with it. But maybe the newer version is better.
Your making it sound that TBS is plug and play , it is not ,you have to open up your Taranis and do soldering mods to it and newbies that are getting into the hobby that don't own soldering irons and don't have the skill to do it are getting the impression that you just slide in the module and bind , it is not like that, they risk blowing the taranis. a true plug and play module is the Frsky R9 system , however if taranis mod for tbs system is done correctly it is more reliable.
Blind what are you talking about. That’s false, 100%. It works perfect on the QX7 right out of the box. You have to use TBS agent to configure it on the computer. But it works fine. I’ve taken mine 3km.
@@KAREKINFPV Hello, thanks for recommending these Parts!! it's really helpful to us beginners because there's so many to choose from. I'm quite interested with that 3km build that you mentioned. can you give us the parts list? Thanks ^_^
xTrinity sure! I’ll try and create a separate video for that, but email me at cksagherian@gmail.com and I’ll send you the parts list so you don’t have to wait for my video! 😉
Referring to the ACCST that needs the mod or by just setting baud rate. QX7 ACCESS is plug and play.
If you have an antenna plugged into the crossfire module on your radio then do you need to use the second antenna (where you have the dipole one attached)?
You need to have both antennas of the crossfire system attached for the best range.
TBS crossfire looks like is discontinued
belemászok a gamax pofájába...
what about a vtx with a microphone.
what's your thoughts on a DJI goggle long range setup opposed to analogue? Can you get same or better range with a decent digital setup?
Yes. I love DJI. It's a fantastic option for many people. Out of the box there is nothing that can compare to it penetration wise. Long range is possible with DJI, however breakup is mush different than analog, you have to be very careful when reaching the outer limits of the system as the video will just freeze and typically doesn't come back. Many like Nurk FPV have taken the system 2 miles. It's really sketch, but he's done it. 2Km is no problem though. I would be nervous to go any further than 3km. Also please keep in mind that increasing the output power over 700mw doesn't seem to improve the range based on a few tests I've seen.
If you dont want to loose your craft on long range, stick with Analogue, the break up is gradual, with dji it freezes then you,ve lost everything
pretty much u have to break the bank to get good mid to long range signal
Or just stop being a cheap ass and spend the money youre serious hobby deserves? 🤷🏼♂️
Ordered a TBS Crossfire micro Tx V2 with a nano rec plus 3 TBS Immortal T antennas (one extended) 1 TBS Crossfire Nano diversity rx, TBS Unify Pro V3 5.8GHz, TBS Triumph Pro RHCP. If it dont work Im coming to your place and using your gear lol. All gear arrived and Im still smiling. Subbed. Now I have to put it all together but thats the best part.
Dude awesome!! Your going to LOVE your setup now! Your gonna have better reliability than a Toyota!! Just make sure you set everything up correctly! But it sounds like you got this!! Share some clips of long range with me, I’m working on a viewer spotlight episod soon!
@@KAREKINFPV Sounds good to me, Im going to setup another youtube channel just for my LR flights with TBS gear. Ill be flying quads and planes. Will send you a link to the page once I set it up. I have a lot of work to do including the mod for the QX7 for Crossfire but I now have everything I need to start and get in the air. Ive gone 5Km on my own builds with 2.4 gear but this is a game changer.
OzFPVflyer oh nice man! Yea please do!
@@KAREKINFPV Heres the channel Ive setup... th-cam.com/video/WDQeRnila-0/w-d-xo.html
dude thanks for this video so much. I'm struggling trying to learn everything there is with FPV's. I have the fat shark dominator v3 goggles and am buying the rapid fire module tonight! I was about to buy your antenna setup but you said the spironet LZR is much further signal?? could you explain that for me? it looks like its only $29 and I really want to invest in the BEST. Please help and thanks for the educational video!
your antenna setup looked like it was more, about $80
Awesome man, I’m glad I could help! With the rapidfire, just be sure to install the secondary power cable in the V3’s. The only issue with the spironet setup is that it’s very directional. It’s made for long flights directly in front if you. The setup on mine is a great midrange and all around you setup.
What about the eachine googles?
I appreciate this video. I saw some people were frustrated. But I liked that you laid out the parts that affect long range control and video and the best building blocks to get there.
Your welcome! This was my exact hopes! I’m glad it gave you some useful information.
good video, well thought out but I have to dispel a couple misconception that you had and that I also had. Firstly when you say that you have to get a certain video receiver to achieve proper long range this is mostly false. Yes higher end video receiving modules have alittle higher sensitivity (they will more easily pick up and decode a signal) this is not required for long range. Unless you're in a area with high mulpltipathing or flying through thick walls then you will get similar, if not the same, with a 40-50$ module. Note that those ones that are recommended cost around 80-150$.
The second thing you FAIL to mention is adding a GPS to you module. You recommend all these expensive parts but not a 15-25$ GPS?
or even proper lower pitch propellers, to the better flight time. (so simple)
MORE EXPENSIVE(TOP END) DOESNT ALWAYS MEAN MORE RANGE (PERFORMANCE)
This is a growing hobby, and alot of people are just now getting into it, why not recommend TESTED lowered end parts since not every one can afford upward of 1300$ for a complete build. At that point just but 2 DJI Mavics. You'll easily get 3.5Km that way.
You sound quite ignorant in you way of explaining things. Your using your experience as a solo fpv pilot to direct viewer to a specific product without investigating other option, which the large fpv community recommend.
Overall, You video is just too specific to one group of audience. those who are willing to buy the most expensive stuff thinking they will get better range. Not to mention your ignorance towards certain thing.
Here's a video of how its actually done : th-cam.com/video/-9sUGHTH9N4/w-d-xo.html
David Lewis it doesn’t sound like you have any experience using GPS, even the best pilots like NURK Fpv will tell you, you CAN NOT count on a $15 GPS recover to work on Betaflight. Do you know how many people have lost their kuad by simply testing the Betaflight GPS settings. Sure you can use iNav instead for “slightly” better GPS features, but even people like Bardwell can’t get it running correctly all the time. So what’s the point in even adding. Also this video wasn’t about “GPS” it was about video quality. As I stated several times in my video, “these are generalizations” some may have gotten better or worse results using cheaper gear. Lastly, FPv Is and will always be an expensive hobby. it sounds like you’re doing well with your cheap gear, which is great! As long as you’re having fun.
Also, again, this wasn’t about, “how to get longer flight time”. Thanks for sharing the Bardwell video though!
If your having problems with your analog gear, it’s probably because you have some cheap parts that were not configured correctly. Or defective old used parts.
@@KAREKINFPV Your Welcome. You are absolutely correct though. Even in Betaflight they tell you that GPS Recuse is a BETA feature. but it is good to have, especially when all else fails. Its literally the only thing that will bring your quad back even after lets say you somehow fail safe on a crossfire (unlikely) or you lose video transmission ( more likely). Not to mention the OSD home arrow it provides. The benefits of all those thing out weigh the small likelihood that it wont work properly. Epically with betaflight 4.2, GPS figures are alot more reliable. As shown here th-cam.com/video/GE6K9HiTO90/w-d-xo.html
Flight time as far as battery usage, props pitch and motor Kv is just as important as any gear you recommend. lets me ask you this, what's the point of having all of this gear when you can't even go 1km before it's time to turn back because you're about to use up all of your battery capacity.
Yes I have had bad and good experience with more affordable gear. However I did upgrade to a few things you listed way before seeing this video and I have also had bad and good experiences with those aswell. Point being, again MORE EXPENSIVE DOESNT MEAN HIGHER PROFORMANCE. Fpv doesnt have to be expensive for you to have a good time or go long range contrary to what you stated in your reply. You suggesting to the community to invest 400-600$ to achieve long range is an example of someone who has only tried whatever is trending. when in reality you can achieve long range with 250$ or less worth of upgrades.
Like I said good video, there are just a few things that are not completely Factual. Especially when you have new comer to the hobby who are apart of your audience who will leave thinking that the only way they can achieve they're desired range without the equipment on your recommendation. Happy Flying though.
@@davidlewis7155 nice dialogue...I couldn't watch anymore...tbs crossfire 868 mhz vs 915 mhz a story of its own
Okay to summarize it a as leymann - We need VTX + spec. antenna for the VTX on the Quad, then we need a Module that should go in the Goggles to receive the video, then we need Goggle Antennas to amp the module and see a nice pic. Then the other way around we need another module that connects to the radio, preferably Corssfire from TBS, and a receiver to receive the signal from the radio, that goes on the Quad? Does the receiver on the Quad need an antenna? Same question for the Radio module? And one final question? Is there on the word a chance to connect this video receiving module with any sort of monitor or even better - an ipad instead of goggles? Hate these goggles sorry but I get a headache...
Screw TBS crossfire on a Quadcopter. Got with TBS Tracer! Yes, it's 2Ghz its 25Km distance, and its only 3ms latency. for Quads with limited battery range anyway. Tracer is much better than Crossfire.
Keep working brother nice
Thank you so much this video cleared up a lot of questions i had
Awesom man! I started with very basic stuff but it’s hard to find the basic direction to go in sometimes. I’m glad it helped you! Give me a follow on Instagram if your ok there. @karekin_Fpv
Mr Karekin! I learnt so much from just this one video! Any chance you'd do the same guide for dji fpv set up? Im using dji transmitter with dji v1 axii antennas... however i do need a vtx antenna guide on my drone. Not sure what to go for. Thank you!
Is eachind ev800d ok?
A lot of people like that but I would prefer a used set of HDOs and a module bay I can upgrade. I love the TBS fusion.
@@KAREKINFPV too expensive. Im from Malaysia and it cost around RM1,500. Imagine that in $1,500. I understand that FPV hobby is expensive. Im just trying to get a cheap mid range signals.
I have issues with my FPV signals. My setup are:
- mobula 7
- flysky i6
- FuriBee VR01
The issue are:
- signal lost within 3-5 meters
@@alexruka I understand price is a lot. This issue sounds like you have a bad antenna on either your VTX or goggles.Also I don’t think the mobula has a very high output power. 25 - 200mw. But 3-5 meters is very short. Insure you are on the correct channel also.
@@KAREKINFPV does a minor scratch on the VTX antenna can cause issue too? Yes sir 3-5m im not lying its too short. Only 2 channel i can found. The others distorted.
And also, thanks for the fast reply. Really appreciate that. You got my sub🙏
@@alexruka the vtx may be bad. I would purchase a new vtx first with a new antenna. Then test it and make sure you’re on the correct channel. If it’s still not working then it’s your goggles or the goggles antennas.
Express elrs 😂
Very helpful video. Thanks man! Tho I'm a bit sad to hear I'm not gonna be able to get a descent setup for less than $800. Guess I'll stick to the simulators a while longer.
Goggle wise, unfortunately no. It’s an expensive hobby. While others have had various results with less expensive goggles. To get the best results you’ll want one of these. Check your local classifieds, Craigslist. Facebook. You may be able to find a nice used pair of goggles.
Clapped Out also DJI goggles are really good as well, and you can always convert them to use an analog module easily.
Get attitude v5s they are budget fatsharks with diversity and everything that you need except batteries.
yeah i really enojy attitude v5s. They come with decent antennas, battery tray and most importantly external module bay
Get some cheep box goggles and a cheep quad and transmitter then go fly, have some fun. You don't need $800 big one's.
TBS CROSSFIRE... that's really the way!!!
How to connect module to fatshark scout
This isn’t possible the scout has it built in
what do you mean to take care using 800mW/1000mW or 1200mW?
Don't listen to the crossfire shill! FRSKY ACCESS is all you need for long range!
Tell me you don’t go long range without telling me you don’t go long range. 😂😂 I’m kidding but access is garbage for real long range. If you get more than 3/4 of a mile ur LUCKY!!
@@KAREKINFPV I can go 10 miles on access
@@syn4588 😂😂😂😂at one place on earth.
@@KAREKINFPV You sound drunk
Good info here. But Dipoles can be used for long range, you just have to have linear antennas on your goggles too. There aren't as many options for linear patch antennas on the market, and most people think the regular dipole "rubber ducky" antenna is worthless, but I have gotten some of the best reception flying one of those and a nice linear patch. Try it some time!
I still only get about 100 ft only w Tbs crossfire
Do you have a tango 2? I won’t fly a tango 2 because I don’t think the power output is correct. I could never get one that didn’t have issues. I always use the full sized radio and micro TX.
Make sure you are using 915 MHz on the module if you are in the US
I have been flying my True-D for a while with really good results. Wanted to build out a ground station using my Pro58 with Achilles and was really surprised at how well it works still! Anyway, great video and right on with antennas. I have the AXII V2’s installed with an ORT 6 turn helical...it affords me clear video out to the range of my quads pack, about 5km. Long Range piloting really is a discipline that requires some thought going in to your setup for success.
very well explained, subbed !!
Awesome I’m glad you liked it!
Bru capitalism right here
Im not sure what your point is?
TBS crossfire, even with the new ELRS I’m sticking with crsf 🤘🏼
Good call my friend!
Remember guys, tbs crossfire has some special wavelength that he doesn't know of and you,ve got to just use it and he cant explain why? Lol. Wouldn't happen to be 900Mhz low frequency by any chance?...
wow, see that’s exactly why I didn’t explain it. Ur so smawrt.... 😊 ☺️ Thanks for the engagement though, even dick comments help! 🙏
are the foxeer wildfire as good as the rapidfire?
Elrs is really good too
And it goes further on 100mw than Crossfire on full power!
And please don't say thing without trying like the skyzone 03O build in modual is like a true D X so it's very good and you don't need fatshark l fly dom v2 with rapidfire but skyzone are better maybe not the rang but like 10%/15% less
Skyzone modules are good. People think fatshark is everything
Gab's FPV lets be honest skyone are decent at best.
@@KAREKINFPV have you try them ? I have and I find them better than hdo and the link quality is very good so no
I think tbs crossfire sponsor's this video
Bahaha I wish! But if you don’t like it, you’re welcome to keep failsafing! I hear it’s good for the wallet.
@@KAREKINFPV lol maybe your wallet
1600 ft is not long range nor medium range at all, also if you want something that is bullet proof, go ahead and spend the money on dragonlink.
That’s why I said, mid to long range. Dragon link isn’t really the best option for mini kuads.
elrs is better rn
If it wasn’t for the telemetry issue I might agree. With the highest power RX you can maybe get telemetry out to 1 mile. With crossfire it’s at least 3.5-4
is Tramp HV a bad vtx?
Nope thats a great VTX.
@@KAREKINFPV thanks :)
Wish I watched this sooner... ordered up tbs crossfire module and receiver
keep in mind that going above 25mv is illegal In Europe. and flying any form of video 5Ghz Video transmission in the US is illegal without a license.
no its not
@@Str8GasGenetics yes it is
Your version of long range is much different than 3 to mile is very easy and all I use for video is 5.8 900 fry sky but I fly plane quads have have nothing but electrical garbage all around them that is where you get so much interference and most good video is all in the wiring not spending a fortune like this guy wants you to. My buddy spent a fortune with all that stuff he is selling and I usually go farther than him.
Sorry man, but nothing will take you farther on 5.8ghz than a TBS Unify Pro HV 32. I’m glad you had good experiences with cheaper stuff.
Or DJI.
@@KAREKINFPV yeah, save for DragonLink
Great video
Good info. 👍👍
Karekin FPV: You need to buy a $50 AXII patch antenna for good range.
FalconRad FPV: Hold my $5 DIY helical antenna while I fly 8 km into the Alps.
Most people don’t know how to build a helical antenna. And range is a function of your RF environment as much as it is your equipment. It’s easier to say, “buy a good antenna” than, “here try and build this crazy looking thing”, I fly DJI now though and fly 4km almost daily. I should probably make an update for this video.
Most people can barely build a Kuad. Soooo...
@@KAREKINFPV I know, just joking dude. Great video and nice tips. Agree with what you're saying, there are many different ways to achieve good results. The gear you recommend here is quite robust and should definitely get the job done.
Also, FalconRad recently uploaded a video where he says he's upgrading to the AXII 2 patch. I suppose they are that expensive for a reason.
50 miles. Hahaha. 👎🏻
It states on the TBS website that the theoretical distance of a full Crossfire module is 50 miles. That’s what I said. The TANGO 2 has a theoretical distance of 25 miles. Go keep flying your R9 some more and we’ll see who makes it back.
Anyone watching this video now. TBS Crossfire is no longer the best protocol, ELRS(ExspressLRS) is a much better overall protocol now. TBS Crossfire is a little but simpler to set up but its not quite as good.
ELRS is a joke. There are few situations where crossfire isnt still the gold standard in reliable long range. I know many people who cannot break even 1 mile with ELRS 2.4 no matter what bardwell says, and ELRS 915 you might as well use crossfire. Crossfire is good for 5. I should make an updated video though. Which would also include ELES.
4:16 Does TBS Crossfire system includes Tango 2 pro remote controller? I'm still learning, doesnt have quads yet but if I buy, I want long range and I'm eyeing for Tango 2 pro. Is it good enough?
Its the other way around friend. The tango includes the tbs crossfire, so yes. However its not a full crossfire system. You'll only get 250mw instead of the 2000mw output power of the solo crossfire module. If your gonna be flying in area with lots of trees or inference then you might be better off investing in a solo module and a frsky transmitter. Its gonna cost you about the same. The solo module is sold out at alot of places but you can find them here for a good price and fast shipping. Thats where I got mine 5/5 stars. www.amainhobbies.com/team-blacksheep-crossfire-lite-transmitter-module-tbs-crossfire-lite/p850719
Happy flying.
@@davidlewis7155 I mean, does it include Tango 2 on the system he is talking about? I do know that Tango 2 has a limit of 500mW (for now) thats why im asking IF Tango 2 is part of his recommendation (crossfire system) because i really like the small form factor. What do you think?
I understand. I wouldn't say it's a recommendation but its nice to have. Its designed specifically for fpv drones. And it shows in the form factor, like you said. I have one but I have huge hands so its almost feel like a ps4 controller which is fine but I just like how the frsky trannis feels alittle better. It's definitely up to the user to decide though. But I will say this, if you don't have overgrown hands like myself, you'll definitely appreciate the design of the tango 2 and if you're not doing rediclous long range then the power limitations won't be an issue either. Its definitely a good investment.
@@davidlewis7155 Thanks for that. I'm all in for long range so I might need to buy something that can accommodate the crossfire modules and use it's full power.
TBS demo'd the tango 2 up to 51km but I think they used a "separate ground equipment" that boost signals w/c isn't really ideal for a lot of pilots
@@bendixtrinity you're welcome. Usually when they test their equipment its under close to ideal circumstances. So in reality you might even end up with 25% (+/-) less range. So going for the full module to make up for that lost isn't a bad idea. That being said, you're gonna run out of video signal range way before any failsafe issues. I recommend Akk race ranger (international version 1600mw) and a pair of Spironet LRZ Array and for extreme long range the clearview 2.0 racer. Gotten up to 9km this way with just the akk race ranger ,with crystal clear video. Only reason I didn't get more was because of my battery. And as far as antennas go, you'll be way happier with a cloverleaf or a pagoda with a longer stem. Happy flying mate.
You can't go wrong with the truerc x-air patch antenna and their singularity on the quad. I've been out 1.5 miles with them. No complaints at all.
lol only?
basically you have a lot of money as you are advising every expensive option. Should not people get a gold plated frame too? easier to see in the grass. Lol. You need a good rth setup to fly your device back if you out distance your tx and rx gear.
I’ve had this discussion with people before. A nice AKK 1w+ VTX is like $45, you can buy a pair of dom V3 used for like $140 and a true d module for $40. It’s hardly the most expensive option. You get what you pay for.
And then came Express-Lrs 3.0 !!!
If its got telemetry past a mile, im down.