Thanks man good work. I'm about to apply this knowledge right now lol. I have 5 characters all with 10 FS another with one with 33 and another with 41 FS. Damn Kzarka Kriegmesser is killing me. So far I'm at pri with it.
I think you're right about the caps. I succeeded PRI Ogre at 29 stacks, succeeded PRI Crescent at 20 and failed DUO Crescent at 43 stacks. Guild mates did 2/2 TRI crescents with 45 stacks each. In the end it's all RNG tho. I did TET Kzarka with first try with 58 stacks while others have 110fs+
i experienced that the first few enchants on processes and accessories on +4 to +6 fail stacks will be successful. i'm currently working on enchanting the steel fishing gear atm and so far i'm on the process on going to +2 success enchanting on that gear.
Another great and informative guide. In the the first guide you said something about the krea weapons and how we can use them especially to create fail stacks. Will you also cover this in your next guide? I got my liverto to +11 yesterday pretty smoothly. But now i also got a +15 krea shield. xD Do i try to sell it or melt it? Or maybe create a new character and de'lvl it by negative karma?
I thought the Market system took into account how long items have been for sale versus how many have sold to set the prices? Is that not the case, it would seem from your video you think otherwise, with regards to accessories?
potentially costs more, but at the same time, potentially costs way less as if you fail many times trying to enchant you could end up spending more trying to enchant
I feel like you forgot to count in those for example 3 attempts for a DUO you need to use 3 PRIs and 2 regular if u succeed on the 3rd try, and then compare that to the stacks cost, so is going for 1 less attempt worth, you need to check the price of 1 PRI and 1 +0 to see if its worth? or am i missing something?
No - the process of enhancing silver embroidered clothes has evolved a lot over the last couple months. Based on a lot of trial and error from top crafters, the current technique is something like 0-3 stacks for +1, 4-12 stacks for +2, 15-25 stacks for +3, 35-40 for +4, and who knows how many for +5. I plan to make a full guide for this at some point that will probably involve collaborating with someone who has made more costumes than I have.
is it just my luck is bad or good ? im trying to do this with bares neck to but it always done in 2-4 fs to pri and can't go on, :3 can we get FS for acc from staking armor ?
So if the value of a pri red coral is 27mil, 2 attempts at 9 mil a piece and a 9 mil fail stack, shouldn't you value duo attempts at 31.5 mil(27+4.5), not the 15+5 value from the market?
My bad, had the volume just up high enough to hear and mistook you for him. I'm pretty new to bdo and don't know alot of the content makers. Question was intended for whoever put this fine video together.
It just depends on how you acquire the PRI. If you are making it yourself it's more expensive, but most PRI accessories can be bought off the market with a bit of patience. If given a choice, you should always buy them instead.
I probably miss the point, but seems to me going for witch's TRI or DUO is absolute not worth it at such prices. Unless you expect to get really lucky. First try and basically you at the verge of second fail and loss of money. Or I am getting this wrong?
You're correct, but buying the items can be very difficult, so people generally end up trying to enhance items themselves even if they would prefer to buy them off the market.
I do not understand any of this. How do you know when to stop stacking? I had a huge amount of failstacks, tried to get one more and succeded in enchanting a piece of shit!
Worse upgrade system I've ever seen in a game... It's the whole reason I quit playing the game. Spent around 600 mil on trying to upgrade a tungrad earring to duo didn't matter with fail stacks tried with different ranges of FSs still failed every time... Kzarka I failed going to tri 4 times with it going backwards every single time no matter how many fail stacks. Tried to buy a tri kzarka instead of upgrading with adding 400mil to the market price and never won a pre order. Then my guild kicks me because my AP wasn't high enough for node wars lol... It wasn't for lack of trying. It's just so much needless frustration in something that's supposed to take your mind off real life stress LMAO. Fuck that game.
I usually pump my weapons to +7 and armor to +5, then just buy the +15's at higher levels. It saves a lot of aggravation and making money is so easy in this game.
Good video for a truly terribly designed system. Make it a proper mini game like catching a horse or fishing; just SOMETHING that makes it feel like I as the gamer have some input. Instead it's the lazy design mechanic of "pour dump-trucks full of money on it and roll the dice". I'll be flying circles around the dev team's cars, bathing them in my fecal matter; for the good of the land.
I actually really liked the horse catching minigame once I figured out what the hell was going on. Be really happy to see something similar in the enchanting department. Pretty sad when milking a cow is a more appealing process than summoning a black demon to infuse magic into your equipment.
The Many Mad Masks It DOES seem a bit out of place; mini games for all these otherwise mundane tasks (which I still appreciate) but then just stack dice-roll for enchants. I don't even want an easy mini game, just something more engaging than it's current state. +willy wacky *Me* "I'd like a system more like the other cool mini games where it feels like my skill as a player has more impact". *You* "Lol umadbro stop being salty". There was plenty of material for a discussion, you just decided to be a tool.
Big-Ass Red Bird I just camp the marketplace now. Sad but it's too infuriating when my stuff just evaporates into thin air forever because not enough sacrifices to RNGesus. Willy you don't have a leg to stand on. Sorry.
Seriously though, this system is bunk, like honestly first character didnt even know failstacking was a thing wasted like 300 black stones of each kind lol
ain't gonna lie, i hate the game for this mechanic. if this was real money, i'd call it criminal. i think many people are even hooked up to this, like those poor fellas at a slotmachine in casinos.
Lord Kiyo enhancement effects from accessories are another reason. There is also hidden enhancement effects that are very worth it depending on the accesseroy. So enhancing them can be very benificial to any player.
wow... BDO was pretty hard in the old days.. 230.000 for a baris :D and 14million for a witch earring. Huw much was a Blackstone worth? I know after the Game did come out, i was really happy about every blackstone, at least because the item does move, it have a special design :D
Armor stones were 250k when this video was made. There was a time when they were more, like 500k or something but the market actually hard caps armor stones at 210 and weapon stones at 300ish now even if there's a shortage.
About 960 million silver - that includes the discount you're gonna get for buying larger batches of pearls. You will need about three months to spend all of that cash in the game though, since you can't sell more than 5 items per week. Are you gonna win with that? Doubtful, but you're certainly gonna pay :D
if you're going for "top tier" it's about 500mil a piece- so it will be about double that price if you really want to "buy it"- it will be 4500ish. Due to market restrictions, it will also take you about 6 months to unload all your cash shop items.
This just tells me I should sell all my stones and buy the boss gear off the market and save half a billion in upgrade cost. with my RNG I still fail at 40 + fail stack just going from 13 to 14 getting to tri has never happened and spent billions fixing my weapon from the 12 fails from duo to tri. so if you learn anything from this do I what did sold all my stones and got full set of boss armor a lot cheaper.
im sorry but this video isnt useful now as far as i know because from this video i have learn i have to prepare a large amount of any accessories to smash them together. if i want a tri orge ring then i should prepare 100 orge rings and smash them together to see if i can get a tri.
The enhance system is one of the worst I've seen in any MMO, which is rather surprising considering how nice some of BDO's other features are. It would be nice if they made enhancement a life skill so you could at least improve upon it over time.
I've played enough MMOs with no fail stack system and no way to protect the item from disappearing upon failure to appreciate how they do things in this game.
People gripped and moaned about the crafting in Archeage, and wow and any good game.they dumb it down and people left or the game died. this game will make you work hard for your gear if you don't like that and want to max everything in a hour go back to WOW
You use multiple characters because if one character has 30 stacks you don't want to use that on an enhancement that only requires 10. You use whatever is appropriate Also I haven't spent any real money on any of the items I've made so I'm not sure what you mean
Say what you want - but this keeps alot of players playing. Nobody has max gear and the game has been out for quite a while. Wow Expansion drops - people are maxed out in 2 months waiting for more content. This sorta of RNG Fuck you system keeps determined players from maxing out quickly.
Dilbert Filbertson Not reuiqred. Just make it absurdly hard in direct grind instead of RNG. Just like almost no one is level 62 after years of playing.
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Very well made. Thanks for the skepticism on the chart. Its necessary and honest.
Thanks man good work. I'm about to apply this knowledge right now lol. I have 5 characters all with 10 FS another with one with 33 and another with 41 FS. Damn Kzarka Kriegmesser is killing me. So far I'm at pri with it.
Nice! Been looking forward to this one, thumbs up.
thanks morrolan that was some nice info on the multipliers now i feel better about spending my 42 stack on duo ogre
Well thank you very much for this guide i now have a Tri Bares Necklace and i look forward to trying to make many more items.
Best BDO guide ever. Awesome job Morro
Wow, like I love the combat system and the world of this game, but this ... jezus christ ...
best explained guide i have seen so far, thumbs up, subbed :)
I think you're right about the caps. I succeeded PRI Ogre at 29 stacks, succeeded PRI Crescent at 20 and failed DUO Crescent at 43 stacks. Guild mates did 2/2 TRI crescents with 45 stacks each. In the end it's all RNG tho. I did TET Kzarka with first try with 58 stacks while others have 110fs+
I was waiting this one for the things your going to discuss in 3 part :(( hahaha anyway TYVM man this is rlly helpfull indeed.
The part 3 stuff will be much simpler compared to the rest. If you have any questions you can drop them here in the meantime
Great guide, will recommend this to new bdo players in my guild!
Also, PEN talis guide next please :D
I've been wanting to know this for a long time thanks for the help man : )
Excellent Guide, thanks for your work putting this out for us.
Thanks for the Video mate, will post this on the "Oceania Guild" Discord page!!
i experienced that the first few enchants on processes and accessories on +4 to +6 fail stacks will be successful. i'm currently working on enchanting the steel fishing gear atm and so far i'm on the process on going to +2 success enchanting on that gear.
Really interested in the next part
thanks for the video i am slowly learning very slowly
Another great and informative guide. In the the first guide you said something about the krea weapons and how we can use them especially to create fail stacks. Will you also cover this in your next guide? I got my liverto to +11 yesterday pretty smoothly. But now i also got a +15 krea shield. xD Do i try to sell it or melt it? Or maybe create a new character and de'lvl it by negative karma?
really good, clear guide, thanks so much :)
where is part 3?
I just bought a TRI Bares Necklace for 2.6 million. My how times have changed lol
Great stuff!
Is there a part 3already? :)
I thought the Market system took into account how long items have been for sale versus how many have sold to set the prices? Is that not the case, it would seem from your video you think otherwise, with regards to accessories?
Never been first. Don't play this game anymore but your movies are great.
The reason I don't play anymore is because I had a kid.. not for any drama reason.
Thanks man. And congrats!!
Such a ridiculous system. I will just buy off the market when I can afford it.
potentially costs more, but at the same time, potentially costs way less as if you fail many times trying to enchant you could end up spending more trying to enchant
good luck buying boss armor off the market.. :/
buying good stuf in market is harder than doing it yourself lol
Had 3 mark of shadows and sold 2 just because of this.
Christine Hede that’s what I’m saying
I feel like you forgot to count in those for example 3 attempts for a DUO you need to use 3 PRIs and 2 regular if u succeed on the 3rd try, and then compare that to the stacks cost, so is going for 1 less attempt worth, you need to check the price of 1 PRI and 1 +0 to see if its worth? or am i missing something?
Did you ever get the third part finished and up?
I've got 2 x laytenns power stone necklaces, would 25 fail stacks be a good amount for to go for PRI?
I have a question this stacks work on the same way with the life skills clothes as well?
Do you have a Guide for nodes and workers? Thanks
th-cam.com/video/7rI_P_wgES0/w-d-xo.html
Hey, now that you're making videos again are you still planning to do a video on upgrading profession costumes?
Yea I'll make a part 3 with costumes, muskets & fishing gear at some point
Sweet, very helpful videos :)
the drop in rank from failing from DUO to TRI kills it for me, especially on accessories
awesome video
Would I treat lifeskill armor (the Silver-embroidered clothes) as accessories for these calculations?
No - the process of enhancing silver embroidered clothes has evolved a lot over the last couple months. Based on a lot of trial and error from top crafters, the current technique is something like 0-3 stacks for +1, 4-12 stacks for +2, 15-25 stacks for +3, 35-40 for +4, and who knows how many for +5. I plan to make a full guide for this at some point that will probably involve collaborating with someone who has made more costumes than I have.
Thank you for this baseline! I will pass on any useful data I come across in my quest.
dude we need new videos from you
What about the cost for repairing the failstacking items? are those included in the cost per stack in your sheet?
Yes, but this will vary from person to person, which is why I suggest making your own chart once you get some experience.
is it just my luck is bad or good ?
im trying to do this with bares neck to but it always done in 2-4 fs to pri and can't go on, :3
can we get FS for acc from staking armor ?
So if the value of a pri red coral is 27mil, 2 attempts at 9 mil a piece and a 9 mil fail stack, shouldn't you value duo attempts at 31.5 mil(27+4.5), not the 15+5 value from the market?
Never ask Blade for enhancing advice
My bad, had the volume just up high enough to hear and mistook you for him. I'm pretty new to bdo and don't know alot of the content makers.
Question was intended for whoever put this fine video together.
It just depends on how you acquire the PRI. If you are making it yourself it's more expensive, but most PRI accessories can be bought off the market with a bit of patience. If given a choice, you should always buy them instead.
i have problema to build fs from 14 to 20. how do u do?
I probably miss the point, but seems to me going for witch's TRI or DUO is absolute not worth it at such prices. Unless you expect to get really lucky. First try and basically you at the verge of second fail and loss of money. Or I am getting this wrong?
You're correct, but buying the items can be very difficult, so people generally end up trying to enhance items themselves even if they would prefer to buy them off the market.
Where is the 3rd Viedo? :(
I do not understand any of this. How do you know when to stop stacking? I had a huge amount of failstacks, tried to get one more and succeded in enchanting a piece of shit!
i have a duo cliff weapon but i dont see the cron stone options..please help
Cliff's is a special event item - it doesn't have a market value (can't be sold to players) and therefore it can't be used with cron stones.
so thats why..thank you very much for the info.. great help
Worse upgrade system I've ever seen in a game... It's the whole reason I quit playing the game. Spent around 600 mil on trying to upgrade a tungrad earring to duo didn't matter with fail stacks tried with different ranges of FSs still failed every time... Kzarka I failed going to tri 4 times with it going backwards every single time no matter how many fail stacks. Tried to buy a tri kzarka instead of upgrading with adding 400mil to the market price and never won a pre order. Then my guild kicks me because my AP wasn't high enough for node wars lol... It wasn't for lack of trying. It's just so much needless frustration in something that's supposed to take your mind off real life stress LMAO. Fuck that game.
what about buying a end game gear like +15 instead of making it?
I usually pump my weapons to +7 and armor to +5, then just buy the +15's at higher levels. It saves a lot of aggravation and making money is so easy in this game.
now that i have a firm grasp on failstacking, i just gear up to +15 now. if you follow the chart, its pretty easy to do.
Good video for a truly terribly designed system. Make it a proper mini game like catching a horse or fishing; just SOMETHING that makes it feel like I as the gamer have some input. Instead it's the lazy design mechanic of "pour dump-trucks full of money on it and roll the dice".
I'll be flying circles around the dev team's cars, bathing them in my fecal matter; for the good of the land.
I actually really liked the horse catching minigame once I figured out what the hell was going on. Be really happy to see something similar in the enchanting department. Pretty sad when milking a cow is a more appealing process than summoning a black demon to infuse magic into your equipment.
The Many Mad Masks It DOES seem a bit out of place; mini games for all these otherwise mundane tasks (which I still appreciate) but then just stack dice-roll for enchants. I don't even want an easy mini game, just something more engaging than it's current state.
+willy wacky *Me* "I'd like a system more like the other cool mini games where it feels like my skill as a player has more impact". *You* "Lol umadbro stop being salty". There was plenty of material for a discussion, you just decided to be a tool.
Did some cleanup - let's take any other bickering in this thread to private messages guys :)
Big-Ass Red Bird I just camp the marketplace now. Sad but it's too infuriating when my stuff just evaporates into thin air forever because not enough sacrifices to RNGesus. Willy you don't have a leg to stand on. Sorry.
Seriously though, this system is bunk, like honestly first character didnt even know failstacking was a thing wasted like 300 black stones of each kind lol
ain't gonna lie, i hate the game for this mechanic. if this was real money, i'd call it criminal.
i think many people are even hooked up to this, like those poor fellas at a slotmachine in casinos.
building fail stacks does become addicting especially when you get the hang of it. I have 8 characters at the moment, all at 30 failstacks. lol
part 1 not working
The only thing thats not clear for me is the item Attemps anyone could explain to me better? Thanks in advance.
Daing, you have to spend soooo much just to get the item to bump up its effectiveness just slightly.
Lord Kiyo enhancement effects from accessories are another reason. There is also hidden enhancement effects that are very worth it depending on the accesseroy. So enhancing them can be very benificial to any player.
wow... BDO was pretty hard in the old days.. 230.000 for a baris :D and 14million for a witch earring. Huw much was a Blackstone worth?
I know after the Game did come out, i was really happy about every blackstone, at least because the item does move, it have a special design :D
Armor stones were 250k when this video was made. There was a time when they were more, like 500k or something but the market actually hard caps armor stones at 210 and weapon stones at 300ish now even if there's a shortage.
I'm still new to the game form the SEA server, is this still the same mechanics ?
ok but WHERE and how do you get cron stones
From the table of contents:
--Cron Stones: Basics 23:54
you still play? why no vids?
bddatabase.net/us/item/16080/
Cron stone explanation 23:50
Theres a table of contents in the description of every video :)
@@MorrolanTV oof. Now I feel stupud ... Well ty for the tutorial anyways xD
if 1 necklace is worth 650k and you need 2 to upgrade. How is it 800k-900k per upgrade?
nvm...
i know that it turn pay to win. so if i pay nearly 2000$ for items and resell it back in game how much i can get Ingame money?
About 960 million silver - that includes the discount you're gonna get for buying larger batches of pearls. You will need about three months to spend all of that cash in the game though, since you can't sell more than 5 items per week. Are you gonna win with that? Doubtful, but you're certainly gonna pay :D
oh wawoo am I would like to try top gears against people
heh! pay to win
960million is not enough to be top gear
if you're going for "top tier" it's about 500mil a piece- so it will be about double that price if you really want to "buy it"- it will be 4500ish. Due to market restrictions, it will also take you about 6 months to unload all your cash shop items.
can it go back from pri?
no you only have to worry when going for tri's
You'd make a good maths teacher lol
bares necklace sells for 10.. or we could make it for 20-30... hmmm
Took me 19 attempts at a 20 stack to get my tri bares X.x
Tried doing this, so far spent about 13 mil on tri bares necklace :D, out of 8 attempts using cron, downgraded 5-6 times. The RNG is not with me.
you don't keep the items if you fail an enhancement on accessories you lose both
got tri bares first attempt with 18 stacks
This just tells me I should sell all my stones and buy the boss gear off the market and save half a billion in upgrade cost.
with my RNG I still fail at 40 + fail stack just going from 13 to 14 getting to tri has never happened and spent billions fixing my weapon from the 12 fails from duo to tri. so if you learn anything from this do I what did sold all my stones and got full set of boss armor a lot cheaper.
😃👍
red coral is 14 mill on my server :(
eu btw
"your server" theres only 1 server in EU...
im sorry but this video isnt useful now as far as i know because from this video i have learn i have to prepare a large amount of
any accessories to smash them together. if i want a tri orge ring then i should prepare 100 orge rings and smash them together to see if i can get a tri.
not sure what you mean
it really inst a bad system. check more into code "time cool down" and economy
MikeyMarc sent me here.
The enhance system is one of the worst I've seen in any MMO, which is rather surprising considering how nice some of BDO's other features are. It would be nice if they made enhancement a life skill so you could at least improve upon it over time.
I've played enough MMOs with no fail stack system and no way to protect the item from disappearing upon failure to appreciate how they do things in this game.
People gripped and moaned about the crafting in Archeage, and wow and any good game.they dumb it down and people left or the game died. this game will make you work hard for your gear if you don't like that and want to max everything in a hour go back to WOW
45 stacks = a lot.
My dream/goal in BDO is to get 100,000,000,000silver
nice video, dislike for being in barcode.
The most confusing shit I ever did see
i dont get it..
Why you use more then 1 char? 1 failstack will always cost 1 stone
how much reallife money you dropped in this game? omg
You use multiple characters because if one character has 30 stacks you don't want to use that on an enhancement that only requires 10. You use whatever is appropriate
Also I haven't spent any real money on any of the items I've made so I'm not sure what you mean
Say what you want - but this keeps alot of players playing. Nobody has max gear and the game has been out for quite a while. Wow Expansion drops - people are maxed out in 2 months waiting for more content.
This sorta of RNG Fuck you system keeps determined players from maxing out quickly.
Dilbert Filbertson Not reuiqred. Just make it absurdly hard in direct grind instead of RNG. Just like almost no one is level 62 after years of playing.
Lol. WELL Now both acc gets destroyd
wtf are u talking about
this whole video explains why this game sucks.
Worst progression in games on console period shit the worst make you not want to play it
This is so difficult to understand and i am not whilling to waste ma money i dont even have xD