You definitely have the highest production value of any one-man-show on youtube, no kidding. I was gonna ask about those 3080 renders you did - not knowing you did them yourself. Looked really good, thought maybe it was even some renders directly from Nvidia I hadn't seen previous.
Now i wanna know, did he modelled it? I would expect yes Also, i feel the pain from not having enough vram My 1050 3gb can't train any neural network ;-; It was a really good decision not to upgrade that tho, considering the new cards. If i had bought a 1070 ti i would have been sooo pissed rn...
I love how you smoothly broke the 4th wall @ 2:47. I think that there are many visual tricks of this kind that can add value to the content which are calling for someone on YT to discover and make good use of.
This is typical for monoblock`s when mounting them on a delidded CPU. The tolerances are so tight given the "multi component cooling" that the height of the CPU has to be within Intel specs. Its almost impossible to get that after a delid. On way to get around it is to file down the standoffs and be extremely careful not to overtighten it when mounting afterwards. Using 1,5mm thermal pads instead of the 2mm origial ones will often give enough clearence to mount it down properly on the CPU. Lot of work for a VRM that is not in this case a problem to start with.
@@gunnarwikse9864 Ahh, that would make sense. I was wondering how it could have been so problematic, but given the concerns with contacting other components and the tight tolerances to get the correct CPU contact, I can see that issue. Thicker thermal pads does seem like the most viable solution.
With a monoblock, you’re dissipating the VRM heat through the radiator as well. For an equivalent radiator dissipative power/delta T, you’ll see higher coolant temps due to the extra heat, meaning your cpu temps will be higher, even for a block with the same thermal transfer ability from the cpu.
He said it is like over 10 degrees jump in temperature, no? That sounds more like defective heat spreader surface and poor mating contact. I dont think VRM would contribute that much to heat jump.
@@turbo558 Yeah I don't think that is the case. I have just replaced my mono block with a CPU block and the CPU temps are so much better but the water and GPU temps are pretty much unchanged. If the VRMs were adding so much heat to affect the CPU I would expect that it would also be affecting the GPU and water.
Nvidia showed off a much smaller PCB. It was a feature/goal of theirs. As usual, a water-cooled card is smaller than a normal card. What would be impressive is if he manages to run the card without thermal throttling.
I've had the exact same experience with 2 different EK monoblock on 2 different motherboards. The conclusion in both cases were the same, monoblocks produced inferior results compared to a CPU-only block. I even had to remove the black plastic spacers on the monoblock mounting holes just to get the block to actually contact the CPU (granted, my CPU was delidded and was not re-glued post-delidding, which very well may have changed the tolerance stack sufficiently that it was necessary to replace those spacers. Still, these days I only treat monoblocks as a 'fashion accessory', mainly used for aesthetics. If you're chasing temperatures, it's much better just to stick with a dedicated CPU block.
Same here. I use a monoblock for the x570 aorus master with a 3900x and just cant get it to stay below 80°C when gaming. Really a shame, looks really nice
@@paisis123 I don't know about that. 4k is so high a resolution that it's basically pointless to put it in things like phones and tablets. 8k will only ever be an improvement for big projection screens. While there is every reason to think that 8k and higher will be useful for rendering and painting, photography and other such creative endeavors, when it comes to display technology 4k is functionally the limit of what we can conceivably need, with 1440p more than adequate for things like tablets, and 1080p for phones.
@@bananya6020 Jesus. Where do you live? For us scandinavians stories about these connections prices seem absurd. I pay 10 euros a month for my 100/100 connection without a datacap.
Love seeing the updates over time, as well as hearing the thoughts and issues that come up. Very few reviewers do "longevity" reviews! The rendered animations were very impressive and helpful as well. Thanks for the high quality, as always.
Your videos are just so amazing man! I mean after years on youtube these ones are just over the top. You must be mad proud. The Blender part of this video was super interesting for me as a consumer. Can you show us how you actually did these animations? I mean ... how can you tear that card apart when you don't even have the physical product?! It would be amazing to teach us that.
He either modeled the parts himself based on the leaked PCB shots/images of the shroud/coolers or bought one of the 3D CAD models available on the internet (here's an example www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/electronics/computer/nvidea-geforce-rtx-3090 ) As for why it's available when the product isn't even out, it's extremely likely that the visuals in the video (and the models used to produce those visuals) only superficially resembles the actual card and will not be a 1-to-1 representation of the actual product (again, since they're most likely produced from leaked images as well as reference images of the cards from the nvidia presentation
3:08 Really neat to see you flexing your skills in the new formats. Thought the render was something Nvidia provided. Awesome to see. Keep up the great work. Cheers :-)
I ordered the same alphacool pump and block, EK 240mm radiator, alphacool 92mm radiator, EK torque fittings, and all the other stuff from aquatuning 2 weeks ago, they didn't ship it yet cuz the alphacool DCLT pump is still out of stock. I contacted them last week, aquatuing said that a big container package from alphacool is still on its way to them and it's delayed becuase of the current pandemic, it will probably arrive to them this week and then I will get my package shipped. I'm super excited to my future N case M1 waterloop build. Your video about mini itx watercooling helped me a lot when I choose all the stuff, a big big thanks to you! ! ! Great video quaility as always.
Quality content! Easily my favorite custom PC TH-camr. Cheers, you’re going places! I also have the EKWB for the Z390-I and noticed the same thing. Temps in the high 70’s to low 80’s while temps on the water cooled GPU did just fine. My only solution is to keep the CPU utilization low. Such a shame because it’s easily one of the prettiest blocks on the market.
Man, ive been in and out of this chanel for a while now (2 years?) And damn dude, the quality of your filmography just continues to get better. Good stuff mate.
I know the GPU struggles. Editing 4K footage on my 1070 is doable, but often less efficient than I would like. I think the 3070 should be more than enough for my needs though.
Do you also use Resolve Studio version with GPU encoding features? I am thinking about buying the studio version to speed up my exports. I also have a 1070 and will be moving to a 3080ti or 3070 super if they come out in the near future.
hey, i would like to see an performance, thermal and noise level test about the BARROWCH water block with the integrated pump and reservoir. Much thanks for you great content!!!
This guy is supposed to be the most recognized professional and educational TH-camr in the PC build area. His has the concept, knowledge, practical experience, and he speaks calm, rational with an unbiased point of view. His channel is not for every audience who is looking for fun to watch definitely, but this guy is the best if the audience is looking for what to buy or learn, and what to build. Btw this guy looks cute even I am straight.
The monoblock adds more heat cause it's now adding the VRM thermals so like that makes sense it'll be warmer, but makes it easier to overclock and get less VRM throttling from hitting max temp
I had thermal issues with a monoblock before, adding plastic washers to the backside of the motherboard helped with this. It's a mounting issue with not enough contact. Shorter screws would also remedy this. Big fan of those Torque fittings, but it takes awhile for delivery... Koolance is usually my goto since they offer low profile fittings and faster shipping. Not a fan of EK radiator quality. The part you screw the fittings into likes to come loose. XSPC they wield them.
I can't believe you did a 3D model of the RTX 3000 series, no idea what it takes to do sth but it seems impressive a non Nvidia person could easily create this in the span of such short time
@@conza1989 I would suspect this to be the case... While he undervolts his CPU, I'd assume that would still put stresses on the VRM to do a different type of work and still cause some heating problems... It'd be interesting to see a follow up and maybe a deep dive into how much heat the VRMs are producting and whether or not that monoblock is now heatsoaking so hard that other issues crop up...
A mono block covering the VRMs is going to add heat into the loop. Mono blocks are generally bad for that reason when VRMs usually are adequately cooled with heatsinks anyway.
Yes, please! I just finished a dual 240mm rad NCase build with ICEMAN pump. I currently running 9700k + 1080 and thinking of go straight to 3090. But even with two rad, temperature is super hot on the water. I want to see you do some thermal testing on 3090 in such tiny case!!
Monoblocks always leave you with higher CPU temps, as you add the VRM heat to the block and loop. It's basically like cooling 2 CPUs with one block (depending of the heat output of the VRM ofc).
Dear Ali, with your approach of quality, the visual skills and sesitivity, and the obvious perfectionism i can't really understand why you decided to choose that logo (especially the colour sheme) and that quite entry level intro. All our respect is yours, man, but please bring that up to your level. The 'Flow Through' renders were truly mindblowing. ... C'mon, your channel is a visual gem amongst the rest of those template-hunters out there. You cant let the channel run with less than best looking tech-intro ever. (tip: go for stealthy grey and matt black).
The added VRM thermal load along with the smaller radiator will mean overall higher water temps. I'd guess there is suboptimal monoblock-to-water surface area compared to the standalone cpu block, too, perhaps to keep costs down.
I feel your pain with the monoblock. I had to really tighten the mounting screws to get the thermals I was expecting. I think this has to do with the fact that the block contacts the IO heat shield very firmly. I tightened the screws on my IO heat shield and the block and now everything is peachy.
Though no one asked, a good tip for blender with nvidia GPUs and cycles is to turn on the OptiX AI Denoiser for the viewport, and adaptive sampling is always something that can be experimented with. Its comes down to personal preference but can really help with getting an idea of how things look very quickly.
Just finished my Tower swap today to an Big Tower. Got myself the Liquid freezer II 360 which is as good as the hype around this cooler is. i7 6700k@4.5 GHz with 1.345 Volt 66°C (150.8°C) under full load for an hour on 500 rpm. The Big tower got 13 Fans in total from Pure Wing 2 and it is completely silent, even next to it. I'm ready for the RTX 3090 ;).
any halfway involved 3D will require a bigger box and 2 GPUs. Cinema 4D + redshift is probably necessary. Blender is well known because of it being free but the real work happens in other packages. Also, this will necessitate compositing so multiple channel 3D renders will be needed, increasing the time to get a final product.
Check the cpu heat spreader by spinning it on a flat surface, if it spins freely you can try lapping the cpu heat spreader. The heat spreaders on intel cpus are not exactly flat, they are convex. And if the mono block is exactly flat instead of a little concave it means that it’s going to get bad contact and In turn higher temps. Just a tip. 😃
The monoblock adds all of the heat energy from the VRMs to the CPU. While your VRMs will be cooler, your CPU will now be warmer. It's a tradeoff. As an example, instead of having a 125W i9-9900KS, you now effectively have a 150W i9-9900KS. You see this with GPUs too. Some GPU manufactures cool the GPU Core and VRM on the same heatsink, while others don't.
With regards to the 3090, you can always throttle it back power wise until it's running within spec, I sometimes run my 2080 Ti in SLI at 50% power on each card which nets about 110 fps in witcher 3 4k max detail compared to 70 fps on one card to stop my room turning in to a sauna. In the same way a 3 litre car will use less petrol on a race track than a 1 litre at the same speed, having a more powerful card can be good when power limited.
9:00 the thermal paste after pulling the monoblock out remains a thick layer that means there is the mounting problem which the block cant attach the IHS closely
Think about it tho. With your earlier CPU cooling block, you were basically cooling only your CPU. With the monoblock however, the cooling loop also had to deal with the additional heat generated by the power circuit. It wasn't that strange afterall
It has been mentioned before that a monoblock will rise temperatures a little bit as it is introducing the heat from the VRMs into the loop. I do not have sources on hand, but if you check all temperatures you'll notice that you're trading higher CPU temperatures for significantly cooler VRM thermals. I think @Der8auer has a recent-ish video on it.
Holy crap! I didn't realize you made those animations for the RTX 3080/3090! I assumed that you must have just pulled it from the Nvidia announcement video. Great job! I'd imagine that doing that was extremely time consuming, but I would certainly enjoy seeing some more of those animations used to explain other stuff. They are really slick.
I think the 240mm rad setup will have no issue cooling the 350W 3090 + the 9900K as long as you undervolt the GPU, don't utilize the CPU and GPU at 100% at the same time, and are okay with a little more noise.
it's normal for the monoblock temps to be higher the loop with it will need to deal with the VRMs heat, not sure if 10 c° is normal but a rise should be expected
What I am most exited for is to find out if the RTX3080 or RTX3070 Founders editions can somehow flip their airflow or if I can mod a DAN Case to fit the cards without restricting airflow. Because, let's be honest, the Founders Edition cards all look AMAZING!
So back to the Ghost S1 then? The modularity of it could come in handy when trying to watercool the 3090. The large tophat might already be enough, you could fit larger fans or a thicker radiator.
I have the same monoblock on the same motherboard, but with a 8700k. I have the same thermal situation you’re having... good to know it’s actually the block.. looks like I’m going to get a normal block soon.
So glad you’re getting a 3090 as I’m getting one. You’re literally the only high end SFF guy I’ve found! My use cases are same as yours but with VR and Looking Glass added to the mix. So I’ll most likely be copy pasting your solution XD. Will be sad to see my Strix 2080 ti Ghost build go but what can you do. Thanks again. Keep it up.
Weird request, but any chance you'd do a video on general organisation and storage of all your spare parts, tools, hardware etc? I feel like I have so much stuff but no idea how to store it all so I can easily access it when I need it. Would be cool to see how you setup your workspace seeing as everything you do seems so clean and tidy haha. Cheers
This is just a thought, but what if the V area at the end of the new GPU PCBs was used for a sff pump. I could imagine alphacool doing something like this. Similar to their CPU pump block combo, they add in a pump into that random V space. It seems like a DDC or D5 pump would fit in that space without taking up too much volume. That way you could have a custom GPU AIO cooler or potentially run a full loop off of that pump in a small form factor PC. It would be another option if someone wanted to do a dual radiator custom loop inside the NR200 or M1 which I think might be more common with the new toasty GPUs and the high end CPUs people will be pairing with them.
Looks great as usual :D I am excited for the new design of the FE cards. I am hoping that Barrow or EK or someone makes a fullcover block with integrated reservoir and pump inside the V shape on the PCB. Given that there are seperate fan connectors for the two fans, it should be possible to have a pump controlled from one header and fans controlled by the other. If they went all in they could even actively cool the backside by mounting the pump/res on the backplate that cover the rest of the card and just have a bit of contact into the waterchannel where the pump/res sits in the V (if they make the backplate out of copper). Interesting times. :)
Some constructive criticism: What happened with the monoblock is that you were already at the limit of what you could dissipate, you reduced the radiator area (reduced limit) while simultaneously increasing the heat output to your loop by trying to actively cool what did not need active cooling. The monoblock did not underperform, your expectations were too high. You know better than anyone that SFF is about compromise. Basicaly tried to push the limit of form b4 function and it didn't work "because physics".
Higher CPU temps using a monoblock are because instead of cooling just the CPU the waterblock is now also cooling the VRM - instead of the MOBO heatsinks. It's a trade-off. Overall system/case temps may be better though - depending on cooling configuration. If your usecase scenario is intensively CPU based, and VRM temps are okay using MOBO heat sinks, you would probably be better off using a CPU-only waterblock, to achieve higher CPU clock speeds and performance.
I have the same case with a rog ryuo 240 installed along with NFA12x25 on the psu side and a NFA12x15 on the motherboard side. I am currently using a strix 2080ti, which is open-air, and a 3950x at around 180W total socket power. The thermal is quite good, and it will be good if you can compare it with a custom loop that connects the gpu to the cpu loop. I was always wondering that if a custom loop here is beneficial since if we have an open-air graphics card, most of the air coming out of the graphics card will be pushed to and sucked by the 240 radiator, but some of the hot air from the card will escape at the bottom, which is independent of the cpu water loop. Also, the graphics card in my case have 3 fans, which push quite a lot of air into the radiator (I guess this might decrease the static pressure?) When I max both my cpu and gpu, the temperature is still below 80 degrees for cpu, and the gpu is totally unaffected if no better than an open bench (since two fans from radiator are sucking air from the gpu). To minimize noise level, I set the slim fan to 35% fixed, and the 25mm thick fan to standard bios control (don't want to deal with Asus software). I always thought that connecting both cpu and gpu that powerful to a single 240 loop will dump too much heat, but I do not have the ability to try it, so I don't know if this is wrong.
the video quality gets better every time, wow
it is fun than he is is not using over expensive camera and lense like some other youtuber but his video quality is verry high
His guns are getting bigger and bigger too every other video
@@gabrielochea6219 he used to do heavy weightlifting
You definitely have the highest production value of any one-man-show on youtube, no kidding. I was gonna ask about those 3080 renders you did - not knowing you did them yourself. Looked really good, thought maybe it was even some renders directly from Nvidia I hadn't seen previous.
yeah I was surprised when he mentioned he'd done that by himself, id thought it was from nvidia. looked really good
Now i wanna know, did he modelled it?
I would expect yes
Also, i feel the pain from not having enough vram
My 1050 3gb can't train any neural network ;-;
It was a really good decision not to upgrade that tho, considering the new cards. If i had bought a 1070 ti i would have been sooo pissed rn...
@@matthewadair2358 Aren't the models from Nvidia though?
Dave2D
Blender rocks
I love how you smoothly broke the 4th wall @ 2:47. I think that there are many visual tricks of this kind that can add value to the content which are calling for someone on YT to discover and make good use of.
that's hilarious, I would have never noticed
fr, he’s showing a clip where’s he’s editing the clip that he’s in
10:34 2090 confirmed! /s
Yeah heard him say 2090 as well
Hahaha
Caught that too lol
Wow those blender animations were amazing! I thought they were from NVIDIA lol. Love ya work Ali
Damn, that monoblock was a shame. It looked so clean!
It really is a shame. I was already building in my head as the video was playing.
This is typical for monoblock`s when mounting them on a delidded CPU. The tolerances are so tight given the "multi component cooling" that the height of the CPU has to be within Intel specs. Its almost impossible to get that after a delid. On way to get around it is to file down the standoffs and be extremely careful not to overtighten it when mounting afterwards. Using 1,5mm thermal pads instead of the 2mm origial ones will often give enough clearence to mount it down properly on the CPU. Lot of work for a VRM that is not in this case a problem to start with.
I wonder if it's because it's also cooling the VRMs that caused the increase in temp and not a bad mounting or issue with the monoblock.
Gutted, was genuinely considering buying on of those too! Doing a copycat of OT's dual rad Ncase M1
@@gunnarwikse9864 Ahh, that would make sense. I was wondering how it could have been so problematic, but given the concerns with contacting other components and the tight tolerances to get the correct CPU contact, I can see that issue. Thicker thermal pads does seem like the most viable solution.
With a monoblock, you’re dissipating the VRM heat through the radiator as well. For an equivalent radiator dissipative power/delta T, you’ll see higher coolant temps due to the extra heat, meaning your cpu temps will be higher, even for a block with the same thermal transfer ability from the cpu.
You're definitely right! Just adding more heat in the loop is the result of higher temps.
same thought here
He said it is like over 10 degrees jump in temperature, no? That sounds more like defective heat spreader surface and poor mating contact. I dont think VRM would contribute that much to heat jump.
I don’t know fellas, hes saying it immediately jumps up as if its not sitting flush or something.
@@turbo558 Yeah I don't think that is the case. I have just replaced my mono block with a CPU block and the CPU temps are so much better but the water and GPU temps are pretty much unchanged. If the VRMs were adding so much heat to affect the CPU I would expect that it would also be affecting the GPU and water.
The man has his ways, he is going to fit the 3090 in the t1!
One Word: W a t e r c o o l i n g
TheSpiderGuy *F A N T A S T I C*
He's going to fit in the t1
Nvidia showed off a much smaller PCB. It was a feature/goal of theirs. As usual, a water-cooled card is smaller than a normal card.
What would be impressive is if he manages to run the card without thermal throttling.
I've had the exact same experience with 2 different EK monoblock on 2 different motherboards. The conclusion in both cases were the same, monoblocks produced inferior results compared to a CPU-only block. I even had to remove the black plastic spacers on the monoblock mounting holes just to get the block to actually contact the CPU (granted, my CPU was delidded and was not re-glued post-delidding, which very well may have changed the tolerance stack sufficiently that it was necessary to replace those spacers.
Still, these days I only treat monoblocks as a 'fashion accessory', mainly used for aesthetics. If you're chasing temperatures, it's much better just to stick with a dedicated CPU block.
Same here. I use a monoblock for the x570 aorus master with a 3900x and just cant get it to stay below 80°C when gaming. Really a shame, looks really nice
The way he said something like 1080p 😂
1080 getting treated like 720p
It really is. Soon We are gonna talk about 4k like we talked about 1080p.
@@paisis123 mfw i still watch in 480p because i don't want to pay $200/mo for internet
JP HACK urgh, just 8k.
@@paisis123 I don't know about that. 4k is so high a resolution that it's basically pointless to put it in things like phones and tablets. 8k will only ever be an improvement for big projection screens. While there is every reason to think that 8k and higher will be useful for rendering and painting, photography and other such creative endeavors, when it comes to display technology 4k is functionally the limit of what we can conceivably need, with 1440p more than adequate for things like tablets, and 1080p for phones.
@@bananya6020 Jesus. Where do you live? For us scandinavians stories about these connections prices seem absurd. I pay 10 euros a month for my 100/100 connection without a datacap.
Love seeing the updates over time, as well as hearing the thoughts and issues that come up. Very few reviewers do "longevity" reviews! The rendered animations were very impressive and helpful as well. Thanks for the high quality, as always.
Your videos always look like some cinematic masterpiece straight up from Hollywood, keep it up!
Your videos are just so amazing man! I mean after years on youtube these ones are just over the top. You must be mad proud.
The Blender part of this video was super interesting for me as a consumer. Can you show us how you actually did these animations? I mean ... how can you tear that card apart when you don't even have the physical product?! It would be amazing to teach us that.
He either modeled the parts himself based on the leaked PCB shots/images of the shroud/coolers or bought one of the 3D CAD models available on the internet (here's an example www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/electronics/computer/nvidea-geforce-rtx-3090 )
As for why it's available when the product isn't even out, it's extremely likely that the visuals in the video (and the models used to produce those visuals) only superficially resembles the actual card and will not be a 1-to-1 representation of the actual product (again, since they're most likely produced from leaked images as well as reference images of the cards from the nvidia presentation
3:08 Really neat to see you flexing your skills in the new formats. Thought the render was something Nvidia provided. Awesome to see. Keep up the great work. Cheers :-)
4:45 That build edit was great!
I ordered the same alphacool pump and block, EK 240mm radiator, alphacool 92mm radiator, EK torque fittings, and all the other stuff from aquatuning 2 weeks ago, they didn't ship it yet cuz the alphacool DCLT pump is still out of stock.
I contacted them last week, aquatuing said that a big container package from alphacool is still on its way to them and it's delayed becuase of the current pandemic, it will probably arrive to them this week and then I will get my package shipped.
I'm super excited to my future N case M1 waterloop build. Your video about mini itx watercooling helped me a lot when I choose all the stuff, a big big thanks to you! ! ! Great video quaility as always.
Quality content! Easily my favorite custom PC TH-camr. Cheers, you’re going places!
I also have the EKWB for the Z390-I and noticed the same thing. Temps in the high 70’s to low 80’s while temps on the water cooled GPU did just fine. My only solution is to keep the CPU utilization low. Such a shame because it’s easily one of the prettiest blocks on the market.
Alot more casual, awesome thanks man
Man, ive been in and out of this chanel for a while now (2 years?) And damn dude, the quality of your filmography just continues to get better. Good stuff mate.
I know the GPU struggles. Editing 4K footage on my 1070 is doable, but often less efficient than I would like. I think the 3070 should be more than enough for my needs though.
You need a ton of VRAM for that, something the RTX 3070 doesn't have
@@davidfodre1375 There was a leak on Lenovo's laptop seires. The GPU is a 3070Ti variant which has 16Gbs of RAM.
@Timothy Strong Bruh
Do you also use Resolve Studio version with GPU encoding features? I am thinking about buying the studio version to speed up my exports. I also have a 1070 and will be moving to a 3080ti or 3070 super if they come out in the near future.
still be a huge upgrade in overall memory bandwidth, but the 3080 with 10gb gddr6x will have way more memory bandwidth for $200 more.
you are the reason why im going sff. thank you so much for being alive.
hey, i would like to see an performance, thermal and noise level test about the BARROWCH water block with the integrated pump and reservoir. Much thanks for you great content!!!
Thank you for not assuming that all your viewers know everything there is to know about pc hardware🙏
If you ever run out of hardware, you can make a killing in Hollywood :)
Excelent camerawork on your videos
This guy is supposed to be the most recognized professional and educational TH-camr in the PC build area. His has the concept, knowledge, practical experience, and he speaks calm, rational with an unbiased point of view. His channel is not for every audience who is looking for fun to watch definitely, but this guy is the best if the audience is looking for what to buy or learn, and what to build. Btw this guy looks cute even I am straight.
Any noticeable difference in thermals switching from the ST30 to the EK Classic rad?
I dig the chopped down cables on the fans
The monoblock adds more heat cause it's now adding the VRM thermals so like that makes sense it'll be warmer, but makes it easier to overclock and get less VRM throttling from hitting max temp
I had thermal issues with a monoblock before, adding plastic washers to the backside of the motherboard helped with this. It's a mounting issue with not enough contact. Shorter screws would also remedy this.
Big fan of those Torque fittings, but it takes awhile for delivery... Koolance is usually my goto since they offer low profile fittings and faster shipping.
Not a fan of EK radiator quality. The part you screw the fittings into likes to come loose. XSPC they wield them.
I can't believe you did a 3D model of the RTX 3000 series, no idea what it takes to do sth but it seems impressive a non Nvidia person could easily create this in the span of such short time
This video is exactly what I was looking for wow, really appreciate your thoughts on SFF for the new tech currently coming out!!
Hah, that's interesting. I would expect the monoblock to easily outperform. Wonder if EK follows up on this with you.
I want to get a follow up the water lock should work. Maybe reaching out to ek for updates on this.
Probably suffered from heat sinking additional components VRMs etc
Perhaps the monoblock is more restrictive to waterflow? Maybe it's just gets over the limit of what the little pump can handle?
If we assume there was any sort of water flow happening. The only thing left is som sort of fitting or mounting problem.
@@conza1989 I would suspect this to be the case... While he undervolts his CPU, I'd assume that would still put stresses on the VRM to do a different type of work and still cause some heating problems... It'd be interesting to see a follow up and maybe a deep dive into how much heat the VRMs are producting and whether or not that monoblock is now heatsoaking so hard that other issues crop up...
Efficient and quality production as always.. Thanks.
A mono block covering the VRMs is going to add heat into the loop. Mono blocks are generally bad for that reason when VRMs usually are adequately cooled with heatsinks anyway.
Your video quality and editing is amazing. You're well on your way to 1 million subs.
Man he makes it look so beautifully easy.
the video quality looks so solid in this. so nice on the eyes haha
Just upgraded to the lian li EKWB liquid build with the max mono-block on top of my maxXI and i9-9900k, getting ready for that 3090 baby
My man has a answer for everything you are. Literally the definition of a dictionary love ur vids btw
the quality of your videos is honestly on film studio level
I don't have a SFF computer yet I love your videos!
Yes, please! I just finished a dual 240mm rad NCase build with ICEMAN pump. I currently running 9700k + 1080 and thinking of go straight to 3090. But even with two rad, temperature is super hot on the water. I want to see you do some thermal testing on 3090 in such tiny case!!
Monoblocks always leave you with higher CPU temps, as you add the VRM heat to the block and loop. It's basically like cooling 2 CPUs with one block (depending of the heat output of the VRM ofc).
Dear Ali, with your approach of quality, the visual skills and sesitivity, and the obvious perfectionism i can't really understand why you decided to choose that logo (especially the colour sheme) and that quite entry level intro. All our respect is yours, man, but please bring that up to your level. The 'Flow Through' renders were truly mindblowing. ... C'mon, your channel is a visual gem amongst the rest of those template-hunters out there. You cant let the channel run with less than best looking tech-intro ever. (tip: go for stealthy grey and matt black).
The added VRM thermal load along with the smaller radiator will mean overall higher water temps. I'd guess there is suboptimal monoblock-to-water surface area compared to the standalone cpu block, too, perhaps to keep costs down.
I feel your pain with the monoblock. I had to really tighten the mounting screws to get the thermals I was expecting. I think this has to do with the fact that the block contacts the IO heat shield very firmly. I tightened the screws on my IO heat shield and the block and now everything is peachy.
I have the same issue with my EK monoblock on an MSI Z390 Ace and 9900k. No amount of refitting, even without thermalpads on VRM once, helped.
Though no one asked, a good tip for blender with nvidia GPUs and cycles is to turn on the OptiX AI Denoiser for the viewport, and adaptive sampling is always something that can be experimented with. Its comes down to personal preference but can really help with getting an idea of how things look very quickly.
I'm really glad I watched your videos and built a system in the Sliger SM560 to prepare for 3 slot GPUs coming out. Keep up the great work!
This channel is the meaning of the word PRO.
I wish if I could be like you.
I'll be really interested in how you are going to cool the 3090.
What do you think of the Lian Li TU150 and the Louqe Ghost S1 compared to this case?
Build looks great, sorry the mono block didn't work out. I have to say those EK fittings look great.
Maybe thermal pads on chokes made the contact worse or something?
Just finished my Tower swap today to an Big Tower. Got myself the Liquid freezer II 360 which is as good as the hype around this cooler is. i7 6700k@4.5 GHz with 1.345 Volt 66°C (150.8°C) under full load for an hour on 500 rpm. The Big tower got 13 Fans in total from Pure Wing 2 and it is completely silent, even next to it. I'm ready for the RTX 3090 ;).
Cpu thermals were higher on the acrylic water block because acrylic doesn't transfer heat as well as metal
any halfway involved 3D will require a bigger box and 2 GPUs. Cinema 4D + redshift is probably necessary. Blender is well known because of it being free but the real work happens in other packages. Also, this will necessitate compositing so multiple channel 3D renders will be needed, increasing the time to get a final product.
Check the cpu heat spreader by spinning it on a flat surface, if it spins freely you can try lapping the cpu heat spreader. The heat spreaders on intel cpus are not exactly flat, they are convex. And if the mono block is exactly flat instead of a little concave it means that it’s going to get bad contact and In turn higher temps. Just a tip. 😃
Bro, you do know that you are adding more heat when you include the VRMs in the loop?
This is exactly the reason why he is seeing an increase in temps
@@DanishNighthawk The VRM may dump 15 - 20w of heat to the loop. Will it increase the CPU temp by 10C? I doubt it.
My worst encounter in watercooling was that DC-LT Pump. So , Lucky you.
The monoblock adds all of the heat energy from the VRMs to the CPU. While your VRMs will be cooler, your CPU will now be warmer. It's a tradeoff. As an example, instead of having a 125W i9-9900KS, you now effectively have a 150W i9-9900KS.
You see this with GPUs too. Some GPU manufactures cool the GPU Core and VRM on the same heatsink, while others don't.
With regards to the 3090, you can always throttle it back power wise until it's running within spec, I sometimes run my 2080 Ti in SLI at 50% power on each card which nets about 110 fps in witcher 3 4k max detail compared to 70 fps on one card to stop my room turning in to a sauna. In the same way a 3 litre car will use less petrol on a race track than a 1 litre at the same speed, having a more powerful card can be good when power limited.
Damn amazing 3d job man, Blender is gold
If you put a 3090 in this case, ypu might also try to fit a 25mm thick fan between the radiator and PSU, this might help with thermals a little bit.
Your work is excellent.
9:00 the thermal paste after pulling the monoblock out remains a thick layer that means there is the mounting problem which the block cant attach the IHS closely
Think about it tho. With your earlier CPU cooling block, you were basically cooling only your CPU. With the monoblock however, the cooling loop also had to deal with the additional heat generated by the power circuit.
It wasn't that strange afterall
Maybe the monoblock is getting warmer results because it is also cooling the VRMs. It's more heat to disipate than before.
10:34 "2090" Imagine showing this to a person in mid-2018.
Incredible quality, man.
It has been mentioned before that a monoblock will rise temperatures a little bit as it is introducing the heat from the VRMs into the loop. I do not have sources on hand, but if you check all temperatures you'll notice that you're trading higher CPU temperatures for significantly cooler VRM thermals. I think @Der8auer has a recent-ish video on it.
Holy crap! I didn't realize you made those animations for the RTX 3080/3090! I assumed that you must have just pulled it from the Nvidia announcement video. Great job! I'd imagine that doing that was extremely time consuming, but I would certainly enjoy seeing some more of those animations used to explain other stuff. They are really slick.
You can try to remove the plastic parts on the monoblock standoffs. Or sand them down a bit, it might help
Holy shit he did the 3d renders himself.
I think the 240mm rad setup will have no issue cooling the 350W 3090 + the 9900K as long as you undervolt the GPU, don't utilize the CPU and GPU at 100% at the same time, and are okay with a little more noise.
The 30 series boards are shorter but wider. A block for the 30 would be pushing well into the tube in the same configuration as the 2080ti there.
it's normal for the monoblock temps to be higher the loop with it will need to deal with the VRMs heat, not sure if 10 c° is normal but a rise should be expected
What I am most exited for is to find out if the RTX3080 or RTX3070 Founders editions can somehow flip their airflow or if I can mod a DAN Case to fit the cards without restricting airflow. Because, let's be honest, the Founders Edition cards all look AMAZING!
So back to the Ghost S1 then? The modularity of it could come in handy when trying to watercool the 3090. The large tophat might already be enough, you could fit larger fans or a thicker radiator.
Ur an artist, my friend.
I have the same monoblock on the same motherboard, but with a 8700k. I have the same thermal situation you’re having... good to know it’s actually the block.. looks like I’m going to get a normal block soon.
10:34 'RTX 2090 Upgrade' Are you clued in on something we don't know??
Looking forward for 3090 on M1
Waiting for your RTX3080 in FormD T1 case build!
So glad you’re getting a 3090 as I’m getting one. You’re literally the only high end SFF guy I’ve found!
My use cases are same as yours but with VR and Looking Glass added to the mix. So I’ll most likely be copy pasting your solution XD. Will be sad to see my Strix 2080 ti Ghost build go but what can you do. Thanks again.
Keep it up.
Weird request, but any chance you'd do a video on general organisation and storage of all your spare parts, tools, hardware etc? I feel like I have so much stuff but no idea how to store it all so I can easily access it when I need it. Would be cool to see how you setup your workspace seeing as everything you do seems so clean and tidy haha. Cheers
Bykski made a short waterblock for the 3090 FE. If you could cram another radiator in that extra space up front, wow
*THE HYPE IS REAL*
Perfect timing, i am literally just about to start a new build inspired by your T1 but gonna wait for Zen3 and Big Navi
This is just a thought, but what if the V area at the end of the new GPU PCBs was used for a sff pump. I could imagine alphacool doing something like this. Similar to their CPU pump block combo, they add in a pump into that random V space. It seems like a DDC or D5 pump would fit in that space without taking up too much volume. That way you could have a custom GPU AIO cooler or potentially run a full loop off of that pump in a small form factor PC. It would be another option if someone wanted to do a dual radiator custom loop inside the NR200 or M1 which I think might be more common with the new toasty GPUs and the high end CPUs people will be pairing with them.
Check capacitors and coils high! Probably not enough space on the monoblock, so no right contact with cpu
Looks great as usual :D I am excited for the new design of the FE cards. I am hoping that Barrow or EK or someone makes a fullcover block with integrated reservoir and pump inside the V shape on the PCB. Given that there are seperate fan connectors for the two fans, it should be possible to have a pump controlled from one header and fans controlled by the other. If they went all in they could even actively cool the backside by mounting the pump/res on the backplate that cover the rest of the card and just have a bit of contact into the waterchannel where the pump/res sits in the V (if they make the backplate out of copper). Interesting times. :)
Try sanding your EK monoblock and/or CPU heatsink. Maybe one of them isn’t entirely flat, which could cause that issue.
Surely the Barrow CPU water block/pump you covered recently would be the perfect solution here, and for almost any ITX build?
Indeed. I'm curious why the Barrow "Dream CPU Waterblock" wasn't used instead.
Man I’ve been waiting for this one
The difference in temp is because the heatsink has additional heat from the vrm. Instead of just cooling the cpu it now needs to cool cpu and vrm.
Some constructive criticism: What happened with the monoblock is that you were already at the limit of what you could dissipate, you reduced the radiator area (reduced limit) while simultaneously increasing the heat output to your loop by trying to actively cool what did not need active cooling. The monoblock did not underperform, your expectations were too high. You know better than anyone that SFF is about compromise. Basicaly tried to push the limit of form b4 function and it didn't work "because physics".
Higher CPU temps using a monoblock are because instead of cooling just the CPU the waterblock is now also cooling the VRM - instead of the MOBO heatsinks. It's a trade-off.
Overall system/case temps may be better though - depending on cooling configuration.
If your usecase scenario is intensively CPU based, and VRM temps are okay using MOBO heat sinks, you would probably be better off using a CPU-only waterblock, to achieve higher CPU clock speeds and performance.
I have the same case with a rog ryuo 240 installed along with NFA12x25 on the psu side and a NFA12x15 on the motherboard side. I am currently using a strix 2080ti, which is open-air, and a 3950x at around 180W total socket power. The thermal is quite good, and it will be good if you can compare it with a custom loop that connects the gpu to the cpu loop. I was always wondering that if a custom loop here is beneficial since if we have an open-air graphics card, most of the air coming out of the graphics card will be pushed to and sucked by the 240 radiator, but some of the hot air from the card will escape at the bottom, which is independent of the cpu water loop. Also, the graphics card in my case have 3 fans, which push quite a lot of air into the radiator (I guess this might decrease the static pressure?) When I max both my cpu and gpu, the temperature is still below 80 degrees for cpu, and the gpu is totally unaffected if no better than an open bench (since two fans from radiator are sucking air from the gpu). To minimize noise level, I set the slim fan to 35% fixed, and the 25mm thick fan to standard bios control (don't want to deal with Asus software). I always thought that connecting both cpu and gpu that powerful to a single 240 loop will dump too much heat, but I do not have the ability to try it, so I don't know if this is wrong.
A mini ITX build (maybe a Ncase M1?) with a 3080 could be interesting to check whether it is possible to make a mini ITX build with good thermals...