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@@NevelWong So, as a true Linux luser, you have the ``weird'' urge to waste tons of your time while making 0 bucks from it. Nothing weird about that: such urges are ackchyually *the norm* for Linux lusers.
So, as a true victim of capitalism, this mf wants to shit on someone having a fun passion filled idea just because they probably wouldn't make a lot of symbolic paper for it
I love Manjaro. It attracts nerds who want to be cool and different but who are too scared to use Arch, and then it gives them a genuinely worse and more complicated user experience
I use Manjaro solely because I like the icon and think it's cool, and some of the default wallpapers are awesome... love that cyan and black color scheme Anyway, lightDM keeps shitting itself every third time I pacman -Syyu and I have to reinstall it or else type startx when I login with TTY which breaks some things
I drive a 90s car. Very little smart home stuff in my house. After installing a newer thermostat, I kept the old one (that still functions) just in case. I game on a Nintendo Wii when I feel like it. I cook in a cast iron skillet. My entire movie and music library also exist physically on optical media. Since installing Debian, my PC has never crashed. There is a convenience with simple things that do not break.
@@abiofficial-ws7pn nu-uh, the dull thing most youtubers call reaction is lazy, prime actually reacts to things, when he reacts to a video he gives his opinion about each part so in the end he ends up making 20 minute long reaction videos to 5 minute long videos like these
The Manjaro maintainers have made decisions so dumb that they managed to break other distros 3 times. Manjaro is so unstable not even not running Manjaro can save you from Manjaro breaking.
@@coopercummings8370 Back in the that i remember having it as my almost go-to pick when choosing a distro, as i used to have less problems than most other distros... but long gone are those days
@@lythd for two of those, the context is they develop a GUI package manager tool called pamac. On two occasions they failed to adequately test their changes and made it so whenever a user attempted to search for an AUR package it would send hundreds or thousands of requests to the AUR servers, so when the software was released they accidentally DDOSed the AUR. If you were running any arch based distro, even if it wasn't Manjaro and updated your system while the unintentional DDOS was ongoing it could cause a partial upgrade, which can cause all kinds of problems on your system. The other time Manjaro developers pulled the latest development build of asahi for Mac support instead a proper release without checking with the developers whether it actually worked and pushed a broken kernel.
dunno man, distro doesnt matter . It doesnt define your personality or your life style.. as long as it serves your purpose , that's all what matters . After all its Linux+Gnu+FOSS with a desktop environment , i use arch btw.
I see distros like a tool, you want to dig? Use a shovel You want to mine? Use a pickaxe You want to build? Use ... And so on. You cant dig with a pickaxe or build using a shovel, each tool has its uses Arch is great for trying out new software Mint is great for daily driving Pop is great for gaming and daily driving Debian is great for servers not so much for daily driving Nixos is great for devs and people who like coding most other people will get lost in it So there isnt really a good or bad dystro just like there isnt a good or bad tool, you cant say arch is better than mint just like you cant say the axe is better than a shovel ...exept for manjaro that is, its like a stick in tool terminology, useless for every single job
I've been running Mint for the last 4 months after trying to migrate from windows 10 to Ubuntu 4 times in the past and i have to say... i'm home brothers, Mint is the way.
Great for you man! I agree, ubuntu is pretty shitty and mint is just objectively better and doesnt force stuff like snap on you Do be careful though some people in the linux community really hate mint just for the sake of hating it especially people who use arch and dont actually know what they are doing Hope your linux journy goes well!
I started at Linux Mint, went as far as Fedora, Arch, and Manjaro. Turns out, they are all basically the same operating system, but Linux Mint values your time.
@@Violent_Combustion i wouldn't say they are the exact same but they are all Linux its to be expected that they are similar, the big difference is the defaults, how you install them and the package manager you use mint has everything ready to go with good defaults and a decently good package manager as for arch you basically start from scratch, download everything yourself and maintain your install yourself arch does have one of the best package managers though since you're trying out different distros i recommend giving openSUSE tumbleweed a try, for me it feels like a middle ground between mint's ease of use and arch's customizability and newer packages
Mint was my first and I adored the experience. The only reason I switched to Garuda was for the sake of something more adventurous but I would recommend Mint to anyone, especially if all they're doing is daily driving. At this point I can think of zero reason why anyone should use Mac or Windows for simple web surfing and email checks beyond them choosing not to think.
Dude you unironically have one of the best effortless flows in content creation. Watching your videos just fills me with ease and the jokes are also really on point.
Void needs a larger repo, something comparable to the AUR. If they had that and dropped pulseaudio, I'd go back. Void Linux was the best OS I've ever used, hands down, but the lack of software and dreadful default audio solution are massive points against it.
@@trajectoryunown Hot take: Void Linux doesn't need a larger repo. I personally found the selection of packages in Void Linux to be better than the ones on Arch Linux (excluding the AUR). I personally don't like the AUR, which is why I prefer Void Linux in that regard. Also, they don't drop PulseAudio, you drop it since Void Linux supports ALSA, PulseAudio, and PipeWire. Void Linux even has a page for setting up PipeWire. I think you are talking about the packages from the live installer, which uses PulseAudio by default, however, like I said, you can remove it.
@sprinklednights You're not wrong. Void has a great selection relative to most Debian-based distros. I think it's roughly comparable to Fedora last I checked. I just doesn't have everything I want. I'm the kind of guy who installs and uninstalls a half dozen programs before settling on something, so the AUR is perfect for me. As far as pulse goes, that's additional effort I don't personally care for at this time. I _could_ make due with Void by building any missing software from the source, but if I'm going that route anyway I'd rather take Gentoo out for a spin. All that aside, Void Linux was _by far_ the fastest, most responsive, and genuinely enjoyable computing experience I've had. I highly recommend trying it to anyone who distro hops.
@trajectoryunown Last time I tested it, they had pipewire as default and I never found much issue with their repo size, at least 90% of what I wanted was in there. But on a related side note, devs have some beef with wanting to include hyprland
@@borremoonkey Dope. Pipewire was actually my biggest complaint. Ditto on the 90%, but that's still not all of it. So now I've gotta find out if this political nonsense has infected Void too!? 😮💨When will it end?
Oh my god, thats it, that's the third alignment dimension; stupidity. Think about it, Austin Powers, Stupid Chaotic Good. Dr. Evil, Stupid Chaotic Evil. Tony Stark, Smart Neutral Good. Thanos, Smart Lawful Evil. Captain America, Average Lawful Good. Batman, Smart Neutral Good. Darkseid, Smart Neutral Evil. It fits too fucking well to not be it, the third dimension of alignment is stupid.
As a Debian user, that Toyota comparison is about as spot on as it gets. It just werks and the literal decades of development means that it has a vast library of packages for just about everything you need. You actively have to try to break it... unless you're running Wi-Fi with non-free firmware. Then you have to make a trip to the package website and try to download the right one. 😅 But yeah, it has never treated me wrong and I wouldn't give it up for anything.
@@IshayuGnot if your willing to change things and actually make it non-evil. Tbf however, since that takes a lot of time, effort, and know-how, it’s fair to call it a stretch.
the archinstall script seems like the antithesis to arch itself. The whole point is spending time learning how the installation works so you have a better understanding of your system, which allows you to fix it when it breaks. I've bricked my arch install more than once but I've never needed to reinstall because I could always fix it. How? I originally installed arch manually and continued learning from there.
Ehh, depends people who i met from arch are really horrible people who dont even know how to do anything on arch, the real arch community who do know their stuff are awesome people though
@@ME0WMERE 100% admit i never have done an install of arch from the command line but even then if something breaks and you can still get to your logs ... just read the logs and they'll start pointing you to the problem... that's the issue i have with a lot of the customers at my job, they just don't review their logs when they encounter an issue which 90% of the time is just a module failing to start or a typo in their fstab pointing to something that doesn't exist etc. even when my PC was having random shutdowns while gaming, turned out after reviewing the log it was the hot spot temperature on my 6800XT going to 105c+ (fresh out the box so though i could get away from needing to paste it for 6 months but couldn't) legit logs are everything. and if something is borked borked, just get googlin and reviewing documentation
Why on Earth would you recommend Manjaro to beginners? Rolling-release distros, no matter how much extra stuff you wrap them in, are still a solution for hobbyists only: people who know what they're signing up for and know why they're doing that. Ordinary users simply don't have the patience to deal with package conflicts: they need a stable solution that gets set up once and works for a few years.
Not sure what oleg's going on about considering the rolling release aspect is *not* the part that makes Arch Linux high-maintenance, but I do agree that Manjaro isn't a good beginner distro. Nowadays, there are plenty of other Arch-derived distros that work far better than Manjaro whilst being beginner-friendly that I'd recommend long before Manjaro.
@@Ballissle I went from Debian to endevourOS, and from there to vanilla Arch and I still think endeavourOS is one of the better distros out there. It takes the edge off of Arch while still giving you the power to destroy your PC, which is the real reason any of us use Arch :) Also, when getting a friend to try Linux (moving from Windows of course), he went through Fedora and Mint before ending up with endevourOS. He's been there for a few months now and seems to really like it. Heck, at some point I might just switch back to endevourOS from vanilla Arch just because of how easy it makes some things!
As a gamer and linux user, I have to say this is an awesome summary for distributions. Funny and it inspires people to take a look at the different distros. Thanks.
If LFS was on this list, it'd just be more chaotic than Gentoo. But those who use it are seen as the wisest yet most daring of the Linux community. Think of them as wise but powerful dragons, kinda like Paarthurnax from Skyrim but he's up in the Throat of the World cross compiling MinGW-w64-GCC for fun.
I've heard that LFS is easier than Gentoo because it's just copy pasting commands instead of needing to read up on documentation and learn how things work to make decisions and customize the system to your preferences in Gentoo.
@yippy7951 Gentoo is much, much easier, with fewer things to go wrong and less that needs to be done. LFS is fundamentally more complicated because you are cross compiling and building some packages more than once, and have to run multiple commands each for about 80-100 packages for just a basic install, and this isn't considering multilib and BLFS... or Steam + Wine support, that's a whole other can of worms... Not only that, but with LFS, you're basically sitting at in front of your computer at all times and can take more than 6 hours for a basic install. So, not only is it more complicated, but it's also way more of a test of patience. With Gentoo, you could probably eat dinner or something while updating world. With LFS, you can eat dinner after you're done with LFS. Lastly, you really have to read the text to know what you're doing, and there's a whole lot of it. Gentoo IMO is a cakewalk in comparison.
@@yippy7951 The process for me is its own reward. It's very fun to do and feels like an actual achievement by the end. It's a great learning tool that kinda changes your perspective of how a distro is set up and how you can make one yourself. It basically gives you that power and knowledge to do just about anything. And yup, I prefer it and have been using it for over a year now. Then again I'm on the spectrum which is a big factor lmao
I'd say Arch has two stages. Chaotic neutral is when you're learning to install and maintain it. Things usually go south when typing wrong or lack of knowledge. Get pass that point and even the most veteran Debian users will be jealous of how stable and easy to use the thing really is.
@@Winnetou17I run both Gentoo and Arch and in my opinion they have the same complexity, they are just diffirent, so that's it. For me real steep learning curve of a distro are Alpine and LFS. Why LFS is here sounds obvious, Alpine is hard since it's not GNU, which makes it feel strange. Though every distro is great
@@Winnetou17 The learning curve is similar or probably even higher than Gentoo, but the difficulties on NixOS versus the difficulties on Gentoo and Arch are kind of fundamentally different. NixOS is not really like any other distro besides GNU Guix. I put Arch and Gentoo in mostly the same category - they're the same linux you know, you just have get your hands dirtier in deeper parts of the system. Gentoo is just a bit harder because of relatively more obscurity and the whole "compile everything from source" thing. The learning curve mainly comes from just having to get used to reading the manual and getting comfortable with writing, understanding, and debugging shell commands. Once you get good at that, I'd argue they're actually fairly easy distros (at least Arch has been, in my experience). Just `paru -Syyu` every few days, `paru -S` to install a package, and head to the wiki to fix any issue. NixOS is different from other Linux distributions at a fundamental level. It's actually much easier to get started. It comes with a graphical live installer cd with GNOME or KDE, and a Calamares GUI installer that anyone can use to quickly partition out a disk and get GNOME or KDE running with everything mostly working. The thing is, NixOS takes the idea of "declarative configuration" to the extreme. This means that instead of configuring your system imperatively by running shell commands, everything is configured as specified in "derivations", basically configuration files written in the Nix programming language. This is the biggest difference that people hopping from other "normal" distros have to get used to. I'll give a really simple example that everyone goes through when setting up a system. When installing git on Arch, the process is typically like this: first you install git using pacman, then you need to run `git config --global user.name ` and `git config --global user.email ` to finish setting things up. You've *imperatively* configured git by running those config commands. In NixOS, this is not possible as the git config is read-only. You need to specify all configuration in your derivation. ``` programs.git = { enable = true; userName = "username"; userEmail = "email"; delta.enable = true; extraConfig = { init.defaultBranch = "main"; commit.gpgsign = "true"; user.signingkey = "GPG KEY"; }; }; ``` Here's roughly how my git config looks. By the way, I never manually run any installation command. I simply add this line to my system configuration files and then run the single command: `nixos-rebuild switch`. This parses the derivation and it understands that by enabling `programs.git`, it needs to fetch `pkgs.git` from nixpkgs. It then configures git automatically according to the settings I've specified. My system is also _immutable_ , in that the previous version of my system, without git, is still kept as a "generation". The rebuild command creates a _new_ generation, one with git enabled and the configuration I've set up. Each `nixos-rebuild` will not affect the current system, it simply creates a new generation. You can move between generations freely as long as you do not garbage collect them. As you've noticed by now, this is a very non-standard way of doing things and certainly not mentioned anywhere in the git documentation. This is a common occurrence on NixOS, as its design philosophy means it has its own way of doing almost everything - whether that be configuring secure boot, OpenSSH, or even your .bashrc (I have never manually edited a .bashrc file on my NixOS machine). This means you may not be able to use some or all of the documentation provided by the official developers of a program, and need to figure out the Nix way, which is sometimes not well documented at all. This is why I say the learning curve is greater than Gentoo's. It's much easier to initially set up a system and a desktop and start using it, but as soon as you start trying to configure things, you first have to learn a programming language (a functional language, at that. If you're not used to Haskell and friends, the syntax will seem very idiosyncratic and difficult to understand, even with a strong programming background). Then, you need to figure out the "Nix way" of doing everything, and understand what you can do on other distros that you cannot do on NixOS. Especially when you start getting into more obscure programs that there isn't an official Nix/NixOS integration for, you may have to get in the weeds and write your own Nix code to integrate them with your system. The benefit of this is that, given the same system derivation (configuration files), you will receive the exact same system, down to the exact dependency versions and the way they were compiled. This is not possible on most other distros, where you will need to either maintain a massive unwieldy shell script or write down the commands you used to configure your system the way you like it. This is one of the primary benefits of Nix, the other being atomic rollbacks - it's very difficult to break your system, because if you accidentally brick your desktop or your startup sequence, you can just go in the bootloader and rollback to a previous generation instantly. Or if you want to test something like a new desktop environment, you can use git to version your configuration files and you can be sure that the new desktop won't conflict with or interfere with your previous one, and you can rollback the changes at any time. I can generate an installer ISO from my current machine that will set up a new computer exactly as mine is configured right now (keep in mind this is not a disk image. It is a full, bona fide installer, that takes all the actions a normal installer does, but it installs my own configuration in the process). You get all of these features for free when using NixOS, whereas in other distros you need to maintain large scripts and programs prone to breakage to achieve the same things.
@@geolod i'd agree with this - i'd say gentoo is a bit more complex than arch but it has such a good manual that it's not really any harder. LFS wasn't too much harder than gentoo to install for me - again the installation book is really good. Definitely a lot harder to use than the other two though
I started on manjaro and went to arch about 6 months later and I've found both to be super simple. I actually really like manjaro, I still use it for my pentesting VM's in place of kali, the whole holding back packages thing works out really well. I also use it on all of my laptops, only my desktop runs arch and my thinkpad dualboots manjaro and arch. I use Manjaro for school. It's simple, stays up to date with stability, and it just works.
@@opposite342 I avoid home-manager on my system, but I use flakes. I also turn some of the stuff I use into flakes. Crappy assembly programs I wrote? Nix flake. A program someone else wrote in Rust? Nix flake. My OS config? Nix flake. The universe? Nix flake.
a fun tip for anyone trying to game on Linux. you can boot up steam and go to the settings icon for the individual titles of the games you want to play, select properties, then go to compatibility, then force compatibility with proton. all you gotta do is check the box, then you're good to go. I can't guarantee it'll work with every game, or every distro as I've only used mint, but it's been nice since most of my library was closed off to me save for Valves games and a couple indie titles and sonic frontiers.
I personally like arch mostly for archwiki and rolling release schedule. I like having the newest software I do not like using derivative projects, because I want to have the power to do more things myself while arch derivatives are great, they often lack customisation and for me installing arch is pretty easy if anything, I would even recommend this to a person that never used linux for the sole existence of archwiki
I agree but the arch wiki applies to all distros and also not everyone wants to maintain their computer regularly, arch can work on a day then completely break the next and requires knowlage to fix it so i wouldn't really reccomend it to a newcomer
Arch taught me rolling release can be more stable than "stable" distros. Turns out updating just a few packages at a time makes issues rare and the few that pop up are much easier to deal with. In three years the only update problem I had just needed a manual restart of a systemd service. Maybe I'm just unlucky but almost every stable distro I try fails the dist-upgrade in some way.
It's a tough call since a rolling release is inherently chaotic but Suse has a heavy corporate influence and shouts from the rooftops that it's stable. Decisions decisions... Actually, no any distro that ships KDE discover auto-updates enabled but actually only supports upgrades via zipper in CLI has to be chaotic evil.
After 7 years of toxic bloated relationship with my ex Office Windows PC, I finally managed to find and settle down with the perfect Distro in a Workstation I enjoy. And now I have a happy family of Thinkpads. 0:29 PS: I'm secretly Lawful Evil on NixOS
Gotta agree that fedora without reddit is pretty good, even my wife, who didn't even have a regular computer until I bought her one three years ago, is happily using fedora cinnamon and actually prefers it to windows.
When Mint wouldn't pick up and print from a Canon printer I just bought, I frowned because my lone Windows machine DID instantly hook up neatly with it. Even my Samsung phone did the same thing. I went hopping across my Ventoy drive to find a distro that would hook up Windows-easy and my third try was Zorin. Instant recognition, install, and test page printing. Since the Windows machine will soon move to Garuda or Nobara for gaming, I'll keep Zorin for my printing purposes on that one laptop only because sometimes it's a little TOO much like Windows. Mint is easier to customize.
I'm the evil faction in an MMO every race faction has a quest to mess up and who always loose. And you question "Why do you exist". Yet it does. And I love never seeing it on any list or videos, like Vivaldi. It makes it that much better that it's actually a top contender on Linux test videos: Garuda. It's super duber duper gamer l33t designed and based on Arch. It has a download for every main desktop look and then some. It even has a KDE called Dr460nized. Yet despite putting 110% into look. They have a lot of good performance and design. It's easy, fun and it updates well. I love the aesthetic. It's an odd one out but it has so much.
I don't trust NixOS because I used to know one of the official maintainers IRL. He was also an emacs user that nearly pulled me into the emacs rabbit hole.
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chaotic neutral btw
Me too btw
I btw btw, btw
I am Lawful Neutral
chaotic good (and neutral) btw
ill stick with my chaotic good please :D
"arch has the learning curve of elden ring in latin"
I now have this weird urge to create an entire epic fantasy rpg, only to then release it only in Latin...
@@NevelWong So, as a true Linux luser, you have the ``weird'' urge to waste tons of your time while making 0 bucks from it.
Nothing weird about that: such urges are ackchyually *the norm* for Linux lusers.
@@exnihilonihilfit6316 im glad i got out of it
So, as a true victim of capitalism, this mf wants to shit on someone having a fun passion filled idea just because they probably wouldn't make a lot of symbolic paper for it
Never tried arch but isn't nixos harder ?
I love Manjaro. It attracts nerds who want to be cool and different but who are too scared to use Arch, and then it gives them a genuinely worse and more complicated user experience
i still feel like he went soft on manjaro
it's a great distro
from bottom
@@vaisakh_km 😂 insane
I have no strong opinion on Manjaro because I couldn't actually test it more than 15 minutes before it broke itself.
I use Manjaro solely because I like the icon and think it's cool, and some of the default wallpapers are awesome... love that cyan and black color scheme
Anyway, lightDM keeps shitting itself every third time I pacman -Syyu and I have to reinstall it or else type startx when I login with TTY which breaks some things
@@grain9640 wow, your decision making skills are.... interesting
I drive a 90s car. Very little smart home stuff in my house. After installing a newer thermostat, I kept the old one (that still functions) just in case. I game on a Nintendo Wii when I feel like it. I cook in a cast iron skillet. My entire movie and music library also exist physically on optical media. Since installing Debian, my PC has never crashed. There is a convenience with simple things that do not break.
hyped for the two hour primegen reaction
real
hyped for him forgetting to turn off alerts
@@averagegeek3957 Welcome to Costco, I love you!
Reactions are lazy af
@@abiofficial-ws7pn nu-uh, the dull thing most youtubers call reaction is lazy, prime actually reacts to things, when he reacts to a video he gives his opinion about each part so in the end he ends up making 20 minute long reaction videos to 5 minute long videos like these
"Their solution to expires SSL certificates was to literally roll back the clock"
I didnt know the company that i work mantain manjaro
The Manjaro maintainers have made decisions so dumb that they managed to break other distros 3 times. Manjaro is so unstable not even not running Manjaro can save you from Manjaro breaking.
@@coopercummings8370 Back in the that i remember having it as my almost go-to pick when choosing a distro, as i used to have less problems than most other distros... but long gone are those days
@@coopercummings8370 I need to know what and how it happened, mind sharing source on that? google doesnt pull up anything revelant.
@@coopercummings8370 wait what i need to know the context behind this what were those 3 times lol
@@lythd for two of those, the context is they develop a GUI package manager tool called pamac. On two occasions they failed to adequately test their changes and made it so whenever a user attempted to search for an AUR package it would send hundreds or thousands of requests to the AUR servers, so when the software was released they accidentally DDOSed the AUR. If you were running any arch based distro, even if it wasn't Manjaro and updated your system while the unintentional DDOS was ongoing it could cause a partial upgrade, which can cause all kinds of problems on your system. The other time Manjaro developers pulled the latest development build of asahi for Mac support instead a proper release without checking with the developers whether it actually worked and pushed a broken kernel.
2:14 „You really wanna use an OS by a guy that uses EMACS?“
Linus fucking Torvalds:
it says OS, not kernel
Holy true
Fedora with the absence of redditors is a really solid distro
Fedora is still like the fourth most popular distro in unixporn after arch, debian and nix
r*eddit.
It is very solid, but SELinux is such a pain to work with...
Arch legitimately comes out easier to me for this alone.
Fedora just works. Been running it for about 3 years now, no regrets whatsoever.
In my opinion it has the best package manager out of all distros
dunno man, distro doesnt matter . It doesnt define your personality or your life style.. as long as it serves your purpose , that's all what matters . After all its Linux+Gnu+FOSS with a desktop environment , i use arch btw.
"i use arch btw" 💀least thing to say when you wanna show that you're normal 😂jk
@@WilliamLandry-ul5ns least thing a linux user says even if they arent using Arch xd
I see distros like a tool, you want to dig? Use a shovel
You want to mine? Use a pickaxe
You want to build? Use ...
And so on.
You cant dig with a pickaxe or build using a shovel, each tool has its uses
Arch is great for trying out new software
Mint is great for daily driving
Pop is great for gaming and daily driving
Debian is great for servers not so much for daily driving
Nixos is great for devs and people who like coding most other people will get lost in it
So there isnt really a good or bad dystro just like there isnt a good or bad tool, you cant say arch is better than mint just like you cant say the axe is better than a shovel
...exept for manjaro that is, its like a stick in tool terminology, useless for every single job
@@ag1015hey man like minecraft
@@poppy-vo2dp exactly
I've been running Mint for the last 4 months after trying to migrate from windows 10 to Ubuntu 4 times in the past and i have to say... i'm home brothers, Mint is the way.
Great for you man!
I agree, ubuntu is pretty shitty and mint is just objectively better and doesnt force stuff like snap on you
Do be careful though some people in the linux community really hate mint just for the sake of hating it especially people who use arch and dont actually know what they are doing
Hope your linux journy goes well!
I started at Linux Mint, went as far as Fedora, Arch, and Manjaro. Turns out, they are all basically the same operating system, but Linux Mint values your time.
@@Violent_Combustion i wouldn't say they are the exact same but they are all Linux its to be expected that they are similar, the big difference is the defaults, how you install them and the package manager you use
mint has everything ready to go with good defaults and a decently good package manager
as for arch you basically start from scratch, download everything yourself and maintain your install yourself arch does have one of the best package managers though
since you're trying out different distros i recommend giving openSUSE tumbleweed a try, for me it feels like a middle ground between mint's ease of use and arch's customizability and newer packages
Mint was my first and I adored the experience. The only reason I switched to Garuda was for the sake of something more adventurous but I would recommend Mint to anyone, especially if all they're doing is daily driving. At this point I can think of zero reason why anyone should use Mac or Windows for simple web surfing and email checks beyond them choosing not to think.
I installed it in my dad's old laptop which was unsupported by Windows by now. It brought that machine back to life, it's a thing of beauty.
Hate to break it to you, but Patrick Bateman isn't any sort of Lawful.
Maybe for Asian guys he is?
or isn't he? We'll never know...
Malicious compliance is still _technically_ compliance.
@@deusexaetheradidn't he commit several cold blooded murders and take pleasure in them?
Was this all legal? Fucking absolutely.
everybody gangsta till the debian lads pull up with sid, it has a graphical installer *and* the instability of Arch
truly the best of both worlds
I read this comment in a British accent
Debian itself: Lawful Neutral
Debian's torture dungeon of a website layout: Chaotic Evil
Dude you unironically have one of the best effortless flows in content creation. Watching your videos just fills me with ease and the jokes are also really on point.
I like debian, it works, it's simple. I can concentrate on working and getting things done.
I watched the video just to see if Manjaro would take the chaotic evil slot.
Manjaro was briefly lauded for 'making Arch user-friendly'. Boy, that disintegrated quickly!
NixOS is everything Gentoo wants to be when it grows up.
insufferably politically correct and pro LGBTQABIPOC++ and DEI infused?
Fedora getting the love it deserves ❤
FreeBSD on the desktop, OpenBSD on the server, NetBSD on some 40 year old meme machine.
BSD is for people who think Linux is too mainstream
In my head I am a Gentoo user, in my professional life I am a Fedora user, but in my heart....
I am a TempleOS user...
Ultralawful Neutral: MacOS
Ultralawful Superevil: Windows 11
Lawful Supergood: Windows 7
debian mentioned ☝☝☝
You're a walking cliche, NPC.
hear hear!
It will always be mentioned anyways
Because it's so good wahooo!@@salgadosp
I've never used Debian but I respect the hell out of it.
Void Linux not mentioned.
Void needs a larger repo, something comparable to the AUR.
If they had that and dropped pulseaudio, I'd go back.
Void Linux was the best OS I've ever used, hands down, but the lack of software and dreadful default audio solution are massive points against it.
@@trajectoryunown Hot take: Void Linux doesn't need a larger repo. I personally found the selection of packages in Void Linux to be better than the ones on Arch Linux (excluding the AUR). I personally don't like the AUR, which is why I prefer Void Linux in that regard.
Also, they don't drop PulseAudio, you drop it since Void Linux supports ALSA, PulseAudio, and PipeWire. Void Linux even has a page for setting up PipeWire. I think you are talking about the packages from the live installer, which uses PulseAudio by default, however, like I said, you can remove it.
@sprinklednights You're not wrong. Void has a great selection relative to most Debian-based distros. I think it's roughly comparable to Fedora last I checked.
I just doesn't have everything I want. I'm the kind of guy who installs and uninstalls a half dozen programs before settling on something, so the AUR is perfect for me.
As far as pulse goes, that's additional effort I don't personally care for at this time. I _could_ make due with Void by building any missing software from the source, but if I'm going that route anyway I'd rather take Gentoo out for a spin.
All that aside, Void Linux was _by far_ the fastest, most responsive, and genuinely enjoyable computing experience I've had. I highly recommend trying it to anyone who distro hops.
@trajectoryunown
Last time I tested it, they had pipewire as default and I never found much issue with their repo size, at least 90% of what I wanted was in there. But on a related side note, devs have some beef with wanting to include hyprland
@@borremoonkey Dope. Pipewire was actually my biggest complaint. Ditto on the 90%, but that's still not all of it.
So now I've gotta find out if this political nonsense has infected Void too!?
😮💨When will it end?
Luke Smith The Legend Mentioned.
Mental Outlaw too!
As a gentoo user I can say that chaotic good is the perfect category for it
Manjaro has been a great experience for me. Not sure why everyone hates it.
I'd say Manjaro sits on the "Separate Alignment": Chaotic Stupid - the one reserved for murder-hobos in DnD.
You'd need a new Chaotic Evil. :D
Something something, RedHat?
@@GresSimJa With how messed up they manage their downstreams? Prolly🤷
@@GresSimJa RH is not that chaotic but certainly evil
@@mytech6779 Technically lawful evil. Just because it is lawful doesn't mean it is good.
Oh my god, thats it, that's the third alignment dimension; stupidity.
Think about it, Austin Powers, Stupid Chaotic Good. Dr. Evil, Stupid Chaotic Evil. Tony Stark, Smart Neutral Good. Thanos, Smart Lawful Evil. Captain America, Average Lawful Good. Batman, Smart Neutral Good. Darkseid, Smart Neutral Evil.
It fits too fucking well to not be it, the third dimension of alignment is stupid.
I installed ubuntu 9 years ago and never bothered to change
You might as well use Debian.
As a NixOS user, NixOS makes the Arch learning curve look like a flat line
Nix is right on par with Gentoo in my tiny little unread book for the amount of life sucking it will do.
Watching this while installing Linux From Scratch :D
Gentoo is just Linux From Scratch with extra steps.
As a Debian user, that Toyota comparison is about as spot on as it gets. It just werks and the literal decades of development means that it has a vast library of packages for just about everything you need. You actively have to try to break it... unless you're running Wi-Fi with non-free firmware. Then you have to make a trip to the package website and try to download the right one. 😅
But yeah, it has never treated me wrong and I wouldn't give it up for anything.
Missed opportunity to review Red Star Linux
Now there’s your chaotic evil.
@@IshayuG Still better than windows smh frfr
@@perfect-death4284 I mean… now you’re stretching it. 🤣
@@IshayuGnot if your willing to change things and actually make it non-evil. Tbf however, since that takes a lot of time, effort, and know-how, it’s fair to call it a stretch.
@@awesomethegreatamazing2651 The stretch is the notion of calling Microsoft more evil than North Korea.
Tbh Arch has an install script now. And the community is friendlier than people say :)
Of course we are! As long as they rtfm. 😉
the archinstall script seems like the antithesis to arch itself. The whole point is spending time learning how the installation works so you have a better understanding of your system, which allows you to fix it when it breaks. I've bricked my arch install more than once but I've never needed to reinstall because I could always fix it. How? I originally installed arch manually and continued learning from there.
Ehh, depends people who i met from arch are really horrible people who dont even know how to do anything on arch, the real arch community who do know their stuff are awesome people though
@@ME0WMERE 100% admit i never have done an install of arch from the command line but even then if something breaks and you can still get to your logs ... just read the logs and they'll start pointing you to the problem... that's the issue i have with a lot of the customers at my job, they just don't review their logs when they encounter an issue which 90% of the time is just a module failing to start or a typo in their fstab pointing to something that doesn't exist etc.
even when my PC was having random shutdowns while gaming, turned out after reviewing the log it was the hot spot temperature on my 6800XT going to 105c+ (fresh out the box so though i could get away from needing to paste it for 6 months but couldn't) legit logs are everything. and if something is borked borked, just get googlin and reviewing documentation
I really like archinstall. It's so damn simple.
The true chaotic evil here is you mentioning the grid in weird order
Manjaro is definitely chaotic evil... but I would still probably recommend it to new users over pure Arch. At least when getting started with Linux.
Why on Earth would you recommend Manjaro to beginners? Rolling-release distros, no matter how much extra stuff you wrap them in, are still a solution for hobbyists only: people who know what they're signing up for and know why they're doing that.
Ordinary users simply don't have the patience to deal with package conflicts: they need a stable solution that gets set up once and works for a few years.
@@oleg4966 Only for new users who really wanna use Arch.
Not sure what oleg's going on about considering the rolling release aspect is *not* the part that makes Arch Linux high-maintenance, but I do agree that Manjaro isn't a good beginner distro. Nowadays, there are plenty of other Arch-derived distros that work far better than Manjaro whilst being beginner-friendly that I'd recommend long before Manjaro.
If you are going to recommend an arch distro with rolling release to beginners, i can only think of endeavourOS
@@Ballissle I went from Debian to endevourOS, and from there to vanilla Arch and I still think endeavourOS is one of the better distros out there. It takes the edge off of Arch while still giving you the power to destroy your PC, which is the real reason any of us use Arch :)
Also, when getting a friend to try Linux (moving from Windows of course), he went through Fedora and Mint before ending up with endevourOS. He's been there for a few months now and seems to really like it. Heck, at some point I might just switch back to endevourOS from vanilla Arch just because of how easy it makes some things!
0:16 BANGLADESH MENTIONED!!!!!!!!!
that indian, pakistani, and bangladeshi joke picked my attention as i am a bangladeshi myself
"you really want to use an OS made by a guy that uses emac's ?" this hits hard kkkkkk
As a gamer and linux user, I have to say this is an awesome summary for distributions. Funny and it inspires people to take a look at the different distros. Thanks.
this chart could use some variety
out of 9 spots, 4 are taken by debian based distros and aren’t tood different from each other
Gotta be distros that people actually use
@@heidebaer41 people actually use pop!_os? they haven't had a new release in 2 years
Honestly the 4 Debian distros all have pretty different goals. They feel pretty different. But yeah I agree I'd like more variety
To be fair as long as we are focusing on distros that most people know it was probably hard to keep it down to 4 debian distros
Expanded 5x5 Linux distro alignment chart when
Heh, so im chaotic evil. Like the sound of that
If LFS was on this list, it'd just be more chaotic than Gentoo. But those who use it are seen as the wisest yet most daring of the Linux community. Think of them as wise but powerful dragons, kinda like Paarthurnax from Skyrim but he's up in the Throat of the World cross compiling MinGW-w64-GCC for fun.
I've heard that LFS is easier than Gentoo because it's just copy pasting commands instead of needing to read up on documentation and learn how things work to make decisions and customize the system to your preferences in Gentoo.
@yippy7951 Gentoo is much, much easier, with fewer things to go wrong and less that needs to be done. LFS is fundamentally more complicated because you are cross compiling and building some packages more than once, and have to run multiple commands each for about 80-100 packages for just a basic install, and this isn't considering multilib and BLFS... or Steam + Wine support, that's a whole other can of worms... Not only that, but with LFS, you're basically sitting at in front of your computer at all times and can take more than 6 hours for a basic install. So, not only is it more complicated, but it's also way more of a test of patience. With Gentoo, you could probably eat dinner or something while updating world. With LFS, you can eat dinner after you're done with LFS. Lastly, you really have to read the text to know what you're doing, and there's a whole lot of it. Gentoo IMO is a cakewalk in comparison.
@@zeckma Is it worth doing? Do you prefer LFS or do you use something else?
@@yippy7951 The process for me is its own reward. It's very fun to do and feels like an actual achievement by the end. It's a great learning tool that kinda changes your perspective of how a distro is set up and how you can make one yourself. It basically gives you that power and knowledge to do just about anything.
And yup, I prefer it and have been using it for over a year now. Then again I'm on the spectrum which is a big factor lmao
@@zeckma Thanks!
It sounds like fun, maybe I'll install it on my thinkpad or something
I'd say Arch has two stages. Chaotic neutral is when you're learning to install and maintain it. Things usually go south when typing wrong or lack of knowledge. Get pass that point and even the most veteran Debian users will be jealous of how stable and easy to use the thing really is.
So true,
Also if the learning curve is enough to make it evil then NixOS has the biggest steepest hardest learning curve of the bunch
@@xenio8736 More than Gentoo ? (which I feel is higher, a bit, than Arch is)
@@Winnetou17I run both Gentoo and Arch and in my opinion they have the same complexity, they are just diffirent, so that's it. For me real steep learning curve of a distro are Alpine and LFS. Why LFS is here sounds obvious, Alpine is hard since it's not GNU, which makes it feel strange. Though every distro is great
@@Winnetou17 The learning curve is similar or probably even higher than Gentoo, but the difficulties on NixOS versus the difficulties on Gentoo and Arch are kind of fundamentally different. NixOS is not really like any other distro besides GNU Guix. I put Arch and Gentoo in mostly the same category - they're the same linux you know, you just have get your hands dirtier in deeper parts of the system. Gentoo is just a bit harder because of relatively more obscurity and the whole "compile everything from source" thing. The learning curve mainly comes from just having to get used to reading the manual and getting comfortable with writing, understanding, and debugging shell commands. Once you get good at that, I'd argue they're actually fairly easy distros (at least Arch has been, in my experience). Just `paru -Syyu` every few days, `paru -S` to install a package, and head to the wiki to fix any issue.
NixOS is different from other Linux distributions at a fundamental level. It's actually much easier to get started. It comes with a graphical live installer cd with GNOME or KDE, and a Calamares GUI installer that anyone can use to quickly partition out a disk and get GNOME or KDE running with everything mostly working. The thing is, NixOS takes the idea of "declarative configuration" to the extreme. This means that instead of configuring your system imperatively by running shell commands, everything is configured as specified in "derivations", basically configuration files written in the Nix programming language. This is the biggest difference that people hopping from other "normal" distros have to get used to.
I'll give a really simple example that everyone goes through when setting up a system. When installing git on Arch, the process is typically like this: first you install git using pacman, then you need to run `git config --global user.name ` and `git config --global user.email ` to finish setting things up. You've *imperatively* configured git by running those config commands. In NixOS, this is not possible as the git config is read-only. You need to specify all configuration in your derivation.
```
programs.git = {
enable = true;
userName = "username";
userEmail = "email";
delta.enable = true;
extraConfig = {
init.defaultBranch = "main";
commit.gpgsign = "true";
user.signingkey = "GPG KEY";
};
};
```
Here's roughly how my git config looks. By the way, I never manually run any installation command. I simply add this line to my system configuration files and then run the single command: `nixos-rebuild switch`. This parses the derivation and it understands that by enabling `programs.git`, it needs to fetch `pkgs.git` from nixpkgs. It then configures git automatically according to the settings I've specified. My system is also _immutable_ , in that the previous version of my system, without git, is still kept as a "generation". The rebuild command creates a _new_ generation, one with git enabled and the configuration I've set up. Each `nixos-rebuild` will not affect the current system, it simply creates a new generation. You can move between generations freely as long as you do not garbage collect them.
As you've noticed by now, this is a very non-standard way of doing things and certainly not mentioned anywhere in the git documentation. This is a common occurrence on NixOS, as its design philosophy means it has its own way of doing almost everything - whether that be configuring secure boot, OpenSSH, or even your .bashrc (I have never manually edited a .bashrc file on my NixOS machine). This means you may not be able to use some or all of the documentation provided by the official developers of a program, and need to figure out the Nix way, which is sometimes not well documented at all.
This is why I say the learning curve is greater than Gentoo's. It's much easier to initially set up a system and a desktop and start using it, but as soon as you start trying to configure things, you first have to learn a programming language (a functional language, at that. If you're not used to Haskell and friends, the syntax will seem very idiosyncratic and difficult to understand, even with a strong programming background). Then, you need to figure out the "Nix way" of doing everything, and understand what you can do on other distros that you cannot do on NixOS. Especially when you start getting into more obscure programs that there isn't an official Nix/NixOS integration for, you may have to get in the weeds and write your own Nix code to integrate them with your system.
The benefit of this is that, given the same system derivation (configuration files), you will receive the exact same system, down to the exact dependency versions and the way they were compiled. This is not possible on most other distros, where you will need to either maintain a massive unwieldy shell script or write down the commands you used to configure your system the way you like it. This is one of the primary benefits of Nix, the other being atomic rollbacks - it's very difficult to break your system, because if you accidentally brick your desktop or your startup sequence, you can just go in the bootloader and rollback to a previous generation instantly. Or if you want to test something like a new desktop environment, you can use git to version your configuration files and you can be sure that the new desktop won't conflict with or interfere with your previous one, and you can rollback the changes at any time. I can generate an installer ISO from my current machine that will set up a new computer exactly as mine is configured right now (keep in mind this is not a disk image. It is a full, bona fide installer, that takes all the actions a normal installer does, but it installs my own configuration in the process). You get all of these features for free when using NixOS, whereas in other distros you need to maintain large scripts and programs prone to breakage to achieve the same things.
@@geolod i'd agree with this - i'd say gentoo is a bit more complex than arch but it has such a good manual that it's not really any harder.
LFS wasn't too much harder than gentoo to install for me - again the installation book is really good. Definitely a lot harder to use than the other two though
penguin in thumbnail still doesn't have popped-enough eyes
Great work! love your content. Keep it up!
1:07 "Drink two liters every day kinda LAWFUL" 😂😂😂😂😂
Lawful evil gang.
"NixOS is the Patrick Bateman of distros" had me rolling
I respect three distro:
Intermediate distro: kubuntu
Advanced Distro: CachyOS
Inoffensive beginner distro: Mint
happy to be on the nixos part of this chart 😅
I am happy with Fedora KDE. Glad to hear it is not classified as evil. Though it *is* owned by Red Hat, so there is reason for scepticism...
So happy that God wanted to me use Linux Mint XFCE. Its also my first linux distribution ❤
I started on manjaro and went to arch about 6 months later and I've found both to be super simple. I actually really like manjaro, I still use it for my pentesting VM's in place of kali, the whole holding back packages thing works out really well. I also use it on all of my laptops, only my desktop runs arch and my thinkpad dualboots manjaro and arch. I use Manjaro for school. It's simple, stays up to date with stability, and it just works.
Solus is most definitely true neutral, it simply exists in its own small bubble doing its own thing
Other than the issue it had last year... but since then it's been better than ever
@@Sithhy That's nice to hear. I am a former Solus user but it served me well and I will always have a soft spot for it.
My AD&D group said I was CN, and so is my distro of choice.
This was like a warm hug from an angry grizzly bear
Sure, but DN is better
Nix os is hard mode for the os for people who like to rice their os before using
Your .config is changeable still, but the problem is everyone is adamant on using flake and home-manager which adds a learning curve
@@opposite342 I avoid home-manager on my system, but I use flakes. I also turn some of the stuff I use into flakes. Crappy assembly programs I wrote? Nix flake. A program someone else wrote in Rust? Nix flake. My OS config? Nix flake. The universe? Nix flake.
I can’t wait for prime to react to this because prime mentioned.
a fun tip for anyone trying to game on Linux. you can boot up steam and go to the settings icon for the individual titles of the games you want to play, select properties, then go to compatibility, then force compatibility with proton. all you gotta do is check the box, then you're good to go. I can't guarantee it'll work with every game, or every distro as I've only used mint, but it's been nice since most of my library was closed off to me save for Valves games and a couple indie titles and sonic frontiers.
I agree with the gentoo alignment.
I personally like arch mostly for archwiki and rolling release schedule.
I like having the newest software
I do not like using derivative projects, because I want to have the power to do more things myself
while arch derivatives are great, they often lack customisation and for me installing arch is pretty easy
if anything, I would even recommend this to a person that never used linux for the sole existence of archwiki
I agree but the arch wiki applies to all distros and also not everyone wants to maintain their computer regularly, arch can work on a day then completely break the next and requires knowlage to fix it so i wouldn't really reccomend it to a newcomer
@@ag1015 every single time something broker for nie was due to my pure idiocy
Arch taught me rolling release can be more stable than "stable" distros. Turns out updating just a few packages at a time makes issues rare and the few that pop up are much easier to deal with. In three years the only update problem I had just needed a manual restart of a systemd service. Maybe I'm just unlucky but almost every stable distro I try fails the dist-upgrade in some way.
Awesome clip, informational and funny, love that style of content
According to this I went from lawful good to lawful neutral to lawful evil. I had a villain arc.
How about OpenSuse Tumbleweed?
As a happy Tumbleweed user, I think Chaotic Neutral is the right spot. Maybe Chaotic Good.
Lawful neutral
It's a tough call since a rolling release is inherently chaotic but Suse has a heavy corporate influence and shouts from the rooftops that it's stable. Decisions decisions...
Actually, no any distro that ships KDE discover auto-updates enabled but actually only supports upgrades via zipper in CLI has to be chaotic evil.
True neutral, Leap is Lawful Neutral
I use Debian testing. It's pretty good.
Great video. It reminded me of running sudo pacman -Suuy
youtube recomended it to me after i tried googling how to fix flatpak on my steamdeck lmao
"start a family of thinkpads"
Jesus, my wife is growing concerned. Especially since I got a think thin client
After 7 years of toxic bloated relationship with my ex Office Windows PC, I finally managed to find and settle down with the perfect Distro in a Workstation I enjoy. And now I have a happy family of Thinkpads. 0:29
PS: I'm secretly Lawful Evil on NixOS
"playing Elden Ring in latin" broke me. well done, ser. well done. Manjaro user here. Also wtf :D
Chaotic and good. Yeah, thats my Gentoo ❤
Chaotic evil, btw. And I enjoy it.
I switched from manjaro to endeavourOS and never looked back.
Well, endeavour isnt that great but its certantly better than manjaro by miles
Seizure warning at 0:02.
0:12 Wait... what century are you living in again?
As a chaotic evil individual, I'm using manjaro
That sharp ending tho. "I am bigbo-"
noise gate going crazy
The evil part of NixOs for me is definitely the documentation.
There’s nothing comforting about Patrick Bateman😂
Gotta agree that fedora without reddit is pretty good, even my wife, who didn't even have a regular computer until I bought her one three years ago, is happily using fedora cinnamon and actually prefers it to windows.
Loved the avatar the last Airbender nod, on cannonical.
Just as I was thinking about if I should change distro and if so, to what. I decided to stay with Mint.
Dont change your distro if you dont have a reason to do so, if mint works stick with it
Here before Prime's reaction video
bro understand south asian situation better than me
He is from Dhaka, Bangladesh 🇧🇩
@@Coder.tahsin ohh, I didn't knew about that
@@Coder.tahsin
yeah but is he bangladeshi?
@@freedomgoddess probably he engaged with me on primegen twitch streaming in local dialect of Dhaka so that's very unlikely he is not Bangladeshi...
i thought he is indian
I'd put Zorin OS close to Mint in the sense that "it just works", especially for beginners.
For getting things done, definitely Debian.
When Mint wouldn't pick up and print from a Canon printer I just bought, I frowned because my lone Windows machine DID instantly hook up neatly with it. Even my Samsung phone did the same thing. I went hopping across my Ventoy drive to find a distro that would hook up Windows-easy and my third try was Zorin. Instant recognition, install, and test page printing. Since the Windows machine will soon move to Garuda or Nobara for gaming, I'll keep Zorin for my printing purposes on that one laptop only because sometimes it's a little TOO much like Windows. Mint is easier to customize.
Zorin for Neutral good. (Neutral because the installer sometimes doesn't work well)
Ngl I use Boot and its pretty nice
As a NixOS user btw I agree with lawful evil
I love big bo
Madao Ikari is truly the icon of chaotic evil representation
I'm the evil faction in an MMO every race faction has a quest to mess up and who always loose. And you question "Why do you exist". Yet it does.
And I love never seeing it on any list or videos, like Vivaldi. It makes it that much better that it's actually a top contender on Linux test videos: Garuda.
It's super duber duper gamer l33t designed and based on Arch. It has a download for every main desktop look and then some. It even has a KDE called Dr460nized.
Yet despite putting 110% into look. They have a lot of good performance and design. It's easy, fun and it updates well. I love the aesthetic. It's an odd one out but it has so much.
Was a corolla driver IRL and switched to debian cause it works.
I am indian. Just the first 30 seconds enlightened my day 😂😂😂
I don't trust NixOS because I used to know one of the official maintainers IRL. He was also an emacs user that nearly pulled me into the emacs rabbit hole.
I think it's more chaotic inscrutable.
Mint is perfect. I need nothing else.
The fake voice sits perfectly Luke!
"Have the learning curve of playing Elder Ring in latin" got me rolling hahahahhaahah
Chaotic Evil checking in. Though I'm toying with the idea of going back to Slackware...
didn't know that about manjaro's ssl certs. busted out laughing
And if that wasn't enough, it happened two times in a span of 5-6 years.
Genuinely curious, what's wrong with Emacs?
Running Tuxedo OS, it's basically German Pop!_OS with KDE instead of Gnome. They make great made for Linux laptops as well.
Yeah, I can't understand why they didn't just stick to hardware and use PopOS.