As a long time Linux user, none of the "distros" actually make sense anymore they are too saturated. Thankfully, we can create our own Linux desktop based on what we like and eventually share that with other users and maybe start our own Distro and find a community to help maintain it. Wait..
situation: we have 15 distros someone: we gotta make things simpler by making one distro that will bring all users together! situation update: we have 16 distros
Desktop Linux reminds me of Protestant Christianity. Ideological differences between leaders caused groups to splinter off and start their own smaller groups and so on and so forth. Then you also have the independent Leaders who started their own thing out of an existing ideological framework. Seriously, that’s how the Protestant churches formed and that’s how all the different Linux distros, desktop environments, and much other FOSS projects started. Just sayin’.
Linux is Linux! You bundle your preferred software and desktop and give it a name. Does not make it a different OS. If you are experienced you make your own anyway.
I'd like to interject for a moment, what you are referring to as a "rabbit hole" is in fact rabbit/ground or, as I've taken to calling it, Ground+Rabbit
Series 2 random suggestions: 1. Thinkpads, 6 row vs 7 row, frankenpads, thinkpad conversions, etc 2. Laptop brands that pre-install Linux (system 76, pine, etc) 3. Openwrt and router distros 4. Right to repair with honorable mensions of john deere, pre-packed juice selling company, others 5. Why linux sucks series of presentations by Lunduke 6. Niche gadgets, like Linux sniper rifle or gentoo midi guitar
I am a Linux user since 2007. Started with Ubuntu 7.04 and went to Mint since its version 12. I've used Windows and Mac a lot. As a bioinformatician, I learned how to get from the OS what I needed. But since I know Linux (Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Manjaro), Mac (since Leopard) and Windows (95, 98, Me, 2000, XP, 7, 10 and 11), I can asure you: Stop the war. Operating Systems are tools, and as any other tool, it can be important for some tasks and not for others. Each has its own pros and cons. All depends on the user profile. Linux has its problems? Yes, but also do Windows and Mac... Pick one, focus on something important, create, make your contribution. Thats all that matters.
That would be true if the tech giants would not spy on you on every keystroke. That's the main issue. They influence your every decision, save what ever they can, analyse you and know you better than even you do. And in an instant they can kill your life / assets by simply turning it off as you are not the one who pleases them.
@@MrBoboka12 I was thinking about that when my pre-installed Windows machine needed to connect to the internet 5 seconds after I ran it for the first time... Totally impossible to have it running without internet!! I'd wish Linux was easier to install, but I know I'd spend even more hours, and all the free software also connects surreptitiously to remote servers anyway, so...
@DR_1_1 Yikes, yeah, don't use those packages. But hey, since they are open source, at least they're honest about what they are doing and when they are doing it :)
@@atti1120 No specific reason for using Mint for bioinformatics. It just happened to be the system I got used before start in bioinformatics. I am more aware on how things work, then I can solve problems more easily. As long as you use any linux, you will be good... In general, unix-like systems work well for bioinformatics.
Same... I've got a new machine without an operating system installed on it's way to me right now so I actually have to install Linux on it. It's a ThinkPad T440p that boots to BIOS... I got burned by Windows 10 and decided to make the switch.
Not sure it is entirely accurate. I am an experienced user and a coder of many years. I like Ubuntu. What he said about snap is not an issue. I install everything with nala. The only package that comes pre installed as snap is firefox but you can fix that. It is based on debian, and is stable. Gnome is beautiful, and I like how everything works through a search and not lots of nested windows. Also the workspaces are great. What he said about Ubuntu just made me think - has he tried it - properly - or just read some reddit comments?
@@andrewnorris5415 He made an entire video about his bad Ubuntu experience. Look up his video "I switched to Ubuntu" (adding the link is deleting my comment)
Missed NixOS, arguably the next contender "past Arch" in terms of DIY config, learning curve, etc., but with real merit, mainly because you can deploy your elaborate config (spanning literally *all* of your customizations) to any new system in a matter of minutes without additional effort. (Disclaimer: happy NixOS user here)
damn, i've just spent the past week making a nice Ansible role to configure my arch installs, and now you tell me there's a better solution for that? mostly kidding, thanks for the comment though, i will check it out just out of curiosity.
@@Terminator85BS By all means! (I'm using Ansible for some stuff myself too, but indeed for system/user configs I'd say the nix paradigm and implementation is nothing short of revolutionary, and markedly more suitable for that job than Ansible)
@@c3cxla While Guix has the same paradigm as NixOS and is therefore "also on the right track", I'd argue that it still has a long way to go before it could be recommended as a drop in replacement of production-ready Linux distros. NixOS is "already there", though not without its problems of course. (There are still arcane things you might have to do to achieve some things on NixOS, the UX is certainly not ideal, but still there are no hard limitations I'm aware of, which may still be different for Guix.) In other words, I don't think I could run Guix productively on my convertible laptop, desktop and multi-purpose servers (featuring VM's, system level containerised services, gitlab runners, declaratively configured mail servers and proxies) today without sacrificing functionality.
Years ago when I was 16; a teacher had introduced me to Fedora (~2002) and I loved it compared to Windows. Since I left school I have tried Arch based distros, Mint, Manjaro, RPI, Elementary, SubOS, but ultimately landed on Nobara (Fedora 36). I love Nobara! It feels really polished in terms of distros, and it was easy to migrate from Windows/macOS to it, even for music creation and gaming.
It's weird seeing adults talking about what OS they grew up with. When I was 16, a cell phone was 7 foot tall, had glass doors, and you had to put a dime in it.
@@Dude_Slick LOL - I agree with the strange nature of adults speaking of the old ways when a cell phone was about as big as your head, the Apple IIe was the school computer to have, if you had a car phone you were up there, pay phones were very useful during a time when cash was carried, Windows 3.11 Wolfenstein, and Civilization were my bread and butter via 5 inch floppies @ eight years old.
Do you mind telling me how you go about finding VSTs and other plugins on Nobara? My source used to be KXStudio on Pop, but that only works for debian based distros. Also, if you know how to get Zyn Fusion working, I'll love you forever.
This is the most concise and quality content that fully covers my linux or I'd rather say "GNU/Linux" journey so far and also gave me some idea of what I can do further. Hats off to you. Edit:- Thanx for the heart Edit again:- It's gone now after editing the comment. 😭😭😭😭
Linux from scratch being "a good learning experience" just perfectly encapsulates the "yes, I'm unemployed, how can you tell?" vibe the Linux community has
@@new-lviv I'm talking about when the guy in the video said to have a go building up your own usable desktop from the base Linux kernel was a good learning experience, using a Linux distro in general is fine.
@@new-lviv there's tier 1 common users (your people) there's tier 2 nerds who use arch as a base for their shit and install the 5 packages they need, as well as their own homebrew software (hello) there's tier 3 bearded dragons who slap electricity against electricity to make a distro the last one is a little bit different from the two more normal kinds of people, assuming the tier 2 kind of person is normal by any standards.
@@friendlyfire7861 Linux experience and understanding can help out on a resume quite a bit for many roles. Been told this by lecturers and my internship manager.
Not mentioning Slackware, the oldest Linux distro still alive, is a crime! Also, shout out to the Puppies, the best distros for computers from the 90s that makes them useful.
21:56 Every time you point to an example of something that “does one thing and does it well”, you have to look at the bunch of layers under it that help it do that thing -- think of bash, the X server, the Linux kernel itself: would you describe any of these as “doing one thing and doing it well?”. systemd is just as modular as the Linux kernel itself. Just as the Linux kernel looks after all the parts underneath userland, so systemd is an architecture for managing userland.
You know this, but software architecture is extremely complicated to understand. I don't know about systemd specifically but in the general case I would argue that the point of "does one thing" is that having fewer levels of nested abstractions allows the programmer to work mainly with things that they actually understand, leading to fewer bugs. The "one thing" is something that is well defined and fairly low level and the "do well" generally means that it runs fast and is easy to use. This philosophy does lead to less code reuse ability and a way wider and shallower dependency tree but individual components that do one thing and thus have less complexity leads to more understandable and thus less error prone code and software.
I feel like as a noob in Linux community...this video is more like a road map to the Lore of Linux. I feel like this was like a history video. Not only that, but I think I'll study this video after all.
10:55 So do Linux people not want anyone joining their community or what? I always thought that they welcomed everybody but new users are most definitely going to have to look up proper commands for problems and won't know better if they are trolls or not. Glad to know that I can't ask anyone online for help out of fear of obliterating my entire machine
First heard about Linux in early 2010's on a computer and network repair course, our teacher showed us Ubuntu as a curiosity. Many years later I went through a Ubuntu and Linux Terminal online courses and trained a bit with Ubuntu 18.04 in a VM. Installes Linux on my PC in early 2022, it was Pop!_OS 21.04. Switched to Mint Cinnamon months later because it is just more stable, faster and feature complete. Basically a mature OS. I'm typing my Graduation Thesis on LibreOffice on Mint. Edit 2024: I finished and sent my thesis September 2023. I got approved. It was a journalism thesis, so I didn't needed much math anyway. I had to check everything on Microsoft Office though, to ensure proper formating.
@@zatchidz yeah LaTeX is *the* tool for writing large academic documents. It has other uses, but in that use in particular it seems bonkers to use anything else
@@TAP7a Depends on the subject. However, if he's in MINT, not using LaTeX is just insane (unless it's an abstract thesis which doesn't require a lot of actual math). Good luck doing something like this in Word or LibreOffice: i.stack.imgur.com/as4Vz.png
I use ubuntu on one of my main laptops, it's simple and runs decent. I am an engineer and I mainly use it for coding. I also use Pi OS. Never really felt compelled to overly customize because I like a minimal effort OS that works great and has a robust terminal. I like to spend most of my time doing work not customizing
My rabbit hole is my test system, which I use to test distributions recommend by you or other younger smarter people. I do hardware (or bare metal) tests because that does a better job of showing up compatibility issues with our hardware. That is also how we decided on Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop for our daily drivers, now in our second hardware generation. Man, does Linux fly on a Ryzen system! Frankly I don't care what distribution or desktop you use so long as you are happy with it. We got off Microsoft with the advent of Windows 10, and are really pleased we did.
16:22 Maybe because I'm used to PCs having a desktop environment, Maybe because I know Linux is already annoying to do a lot of stuff on and doesn't feature a lot of programs that are fun, But having a computer that is entirely windows and mostly commands and scripts sounds like hell unless I know how to code
Man Branden, I could swear I heard PizzaLovingNerd talking there for a while. You followed his script so well you even had his cadence down to a "T".... ...😆 Awe yes, the good old Richard thing. Thanks for reminding me, my day is way not better... Lol For a collaboration video, this was a well put together video, Thanks guys! LLAP 🖖
GNOME doesn't come preinstalled in Debian. Debian allows you to choose your DE. In fact, debian brings also its own, but it's one of the very few distros that lets you pick your favourite desktop environment right off the bat during the installing phase.
Gnome is the default DE of Debian (and for a small period it was Xfce). You have to manually select another DE in the minimal cd installer tool or specifically download an alternative livecd to not install Gnome.
@@LautaroQ2812 You can install Debian without a DE. IDK why you're reading from a wiki when you can just try Debian yourself. It does select Gnome by default but you can easily unselect it and install something else, including the option to install without a DE, which would be something you would want if you were setting up a web server, for example.
Ubuntu has versions that come "pre-installed" with DE other than Gnome. Like my favorite XUbuntu (XFCE desktop) or the "server" version with no DE at all.
This video is a great video showing the biggest issue for "The Year of the Linux". Usually, I would say variety is great. Unfortunately, that is not the case with Linux. There is way too much incompatibility within the community forcing users to settle for something they don't like just to get something they do like.
Nobody is “forcing” anybody to “settle for” anything. If you don’t like it, change it. Open Source is about getting off your butt and doing something effective, rather than just wasting your breath complaining.
I built Linux From Scratch back in the 2000s and used Gentoo as my daily driver for years... not as a flex though. The former as a learning experience and the latter just because I was young and had free time and thought it was nerdy fun.
@@razvandima8997 I use Debian stable on my VPSes and, for desktops, I run Kubuntu LTS with Flatpak for GUI apps. (I've been using either Lubuntu LTS or Kubuntu LTS for my desktop since around 2010.)
I tried out Gentoo once. Wasn't real impressed, lots of work for no significant improvement in real performance for what I was doing. Interesting idea though.
Being a retired UNIX/AIX/Linux administrator, and a 13 year Linux user, I too learned quite a few bits-of-info from this video. How long did you spend on research/recording/editing this? BTW, I may have missed this, but, I don't recall you mentioning OpenSuse? Did you? Always learning.
Together this project has about 45 hours of work in it. Around 35 hours in the initial writing, recording, and editing, and about 10 hours in voice, additional editing, sound, and graphics. It was a large project that has been in the works for a few months.
19:22 By the way, Discord announced bringing Wayland screensharing support and audio screensharing support to the native Discord client soon! I hope it arrives within the next few months as I can't wait to screenshare, for the first time with sound, from Linux.
I've been on Crux for a few years, a 'roll your own kernel' distro. It can't be that hard, since I was able to do it--just way more steps. I liked that it made Linux less of a 'black box' by the time I was done. Cool video. Thanks
I installed a paintbrush clone on Linux and found Pinta was a good choice. There were some other good clones for MS Office but just needed to find out that Linux Mint/Ubuntu is based on Debian
If you're actually walking forward, it will lead you to knowledge and enlightenment (not the desktop, though maybe that too). But, it's the journey that matters most.
Being on windows is like, trying to find solutions in a Rabbit Hole. Plenty of 0x00000 dead ends and numerous blind update fix attempts. I left windows 9 years ago. 😊
Dude, you have improved in your commentary over the years. Noob to Power User and at this time this video is 1yr. I remember a university student, with HDD?, maybe a touch shy, a tad ifee on this Linux TH-cam thing. To being a boss at this. What's the word count on the script for this vid, half an almost tongue twist, almost no intake of breath on the mic, no "ums". Add to that a quick consistent pace, that didn't get boring, or jarring. Well Done. Obviously software, edit time, and equipment (that also takes skill to wield) are part of the whole, but not in an overly reliant way. I look forward to your next encyclopedic type video that I find.
I'm a tech person and I love hacking and doing projects but I've never understood why I should use Linux. I purposely don't use Apple products because of the need for stuff like iTunes and inability to do basic tasks such as access your files easily. So why would I want to switch to Linux where I would have to not only learn a lot about how to operate my machine again but also it makes some processes more roundabout than straightforward which is the opposite of the point
I've been using Linux off and on since 2003 when I was 5 years old. Red Hat was my first distro, and after they started charging money and tossed Fedora at it's free users my dad got upset and we switched to Debian. He primarily used Windows due to work which is what was on my first laptop at age 13, but taught me about computers using Linux, and my mom has used Apple since the Lisa, so I grew up having to know how to use the big 3 operating systems which is pretty neat. I spent my teenage years getting into systems programming and learning about old computers because modern ones just aren't that interesting. I now run a custom system. 4070 Ti, 13th Gen i7, 32 gigs of RAM, all DDR5. It's a beast of a system and I run PopOS on it. We all go through the distrohopping phase and believing we're better because we suffer through the tedious issues in Arch or Nix, but after a few years you get tired of all that and just want your OS to work without issues.
One error in your video, TempleOS takes up 17mb, not 1.4mb, and that's without any of the supplemental discs. You might have been thinking of Menuet, which also isn't a Linux, but does have a GUI and fits on a single floppy. It's an operating system that was written entirely in assembly, which is really badass. If you've never seen it, you should download a copy and give it a try. It's a quick download, I promise.
The Free Software song was not written by Richard Stallman. Its melody is actually from the folk Bulgarian song in 7/8 (very rare) compass Sadi moma bela loza.
I was not aware that many experienced users did not like snaps as well. I really do not like it and I always have problems with it when i have tried to use it on any distro. Manjaro has provided the best middle ground for me and the ability to avoid snaps.
Great video! There are a lot of things that I didn't know. I noticed that you mentioned my iceberg in the description of your video which is pretty cool, as I am subscribed to your channel and never expected to find me here. We need a second part!
23:10 btw you can speed this up by using distributed compilers on a LAN, if you have multiple systems. Last time I set up Gentoo, adding a couple of "distcc" build nodes made it seem much faster, although much time had also passed since the previous time I set up Gentoo and LFS.
I've learned everything I know about computing and Linux from TH-cam from contributors like yourself, Linus and ebuzz central. I count myself lucky that I've not had a bad experience, I've fiddled about with the various distros and I've broken more than one but it's been a learning curve and I don't blame anyone other than myself. I just go back onto TH-cam and invariably find the solution
Everytime I try to install a linux distro, something just stops working. It's either the sleeping feature or I can't set colours to the right saturation or not even at all, it's too frustrating.
Microsoft has manufacturers working for Microsoft for free, Linux has not. It's not Microsoft responsible that it works with Microsoft. Manufacturers should contribute to Linux more so what you explain stops happening. I believe you. Microsoft simply has manufacturers grapped by the b..ls...
@@mrkitty777 MS is like +85% of the clients with Mac 10%... Linux under 5%, and not the upper market segment! Of course MS has more "friends" in the business than the multiple Linux distros!
3:32 Uh, yeah. Finding a Pi isn't the issue, it's finding one for a reasonable price because Raspberry decided to reserve it's limited output quantities for their corporate partners and not the maker fan base that made them a success in the first place. One can only hope we hobbyist show them the same loyalty when the supply situation resolves itself, and that goes for NVidia as well.
34:50 Coreboot doesn't support any hardware? So what's running on my T430? Coreboot DOES support existing hardware and the list is so much longer than Libreboot
Some fine content you have here. I might as well ditch tumbleweed and move to gentoo + twm so I can avoid touching grass. Ehh too lazy to even distrohop although I'm starting to like the idea of having stale, less changing software that debian offers.
Funny! A merger of LINUX and humor. Keep the Gossip going! Yes, the Linux community is freer than the Windows OS community or Mac OS community could ever hope for. This video is also good for beginners and those interested in trying LINUX.
Speaking of Linus Tips, he didnt "collapsed" system. He told system to remove graphical mode support (desktop manger and xorg) and his screen gone black because this is that he requested. System still running, just in server\text mode.
I'm still daily driving Kubuntu (with flatpak instead of snap), because I just want an os, which works out of the box and I can play games. Once in a while i make some trips into the deepsea and I think Linux is wonderful. Discord works fine with Kubuntu, never had issues with screen sharing (sound doesn't work fine on Windows too), but krisp is already implemented.
Your voice has an "NPR" quality to it which is quite nice. I clicked this video out of curiosity and ended up watching to the end. I knew about most of it but a couple things were new to me so thanks for creating this.
Nice Video @TechHut, just so you know, youtube is not accepting comments, at least from me. I have left reply twice to a user to help him with some manjaro xfce updates and they did not appear at all. You may be missing on a lot of comments from what I can tell. Luckily this comment has come in and I have edited it thrice to be sure it does not disappear as well. Thanks for your videos.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
Funnily enough, it doesn't feel like an endless chamber, that is displeasurous or intrigued to go into. It seemed like a memory capsule of a journey. Thank you.
14:00 There will never be a "year of the Linux desktop" because the community keeps it that way. Between gatekeeping, overall difficulty of using for the average person, etc. You can say all you want about how things have gotten easier, and they absolutely have. Still though, in 2023, I could not comfortably set a computer down with Linux in front of most people, especially anyone who is older, and expect them to use it just fine and not have to call me constantly to help them. The GUIs have definitely improved the workflow of figuring out where your applications are, opening and closing them, etc. However they do not assist you when it comes to installing anything. Personally, my experience switching to daily driving Linux has shown that installing anything through a GUI package manager is a recipe for disaster. It works much more consistently if installed through the command line or via downloaded executables/zip files, and they are much easier to find or reference in your file system than those installed through GUI package managers. The average person is not going to know how to do that, and may not be interested enough in spending hours learning about how to do all of this. I love Linux and the more I get into it, the more I grow disdain for the moments when I have to jump back onto Windows. However, I said it once and I will say it again, there will NEVER be "the year of the Linux desktop." Not until some big changes happen within the community itself, and that is going to require big changes in EVERY individual in the community to pull off.
Been a Debian/Ubuntu user since 2010 and through all the struggles and fun I would never want it any other way. It's helped me build a career in tech with a focus on Linux and allowed me to learn so much... I'm learning C to send patches to the Linux kernel and work on drivers but it might be time to build a distro since there seems that there isn't enough of them for people to try
Win 95 was a beautiful OS. The Win NT line was much better and had a superb look. Although MS did some silly things, like that Win XP look, at least I could turn on the Win 95 theme. With Win 8, MS flushed it all down the toilet. The spying. The ugly GUI. I can’t update when I want to. They forced me to switch to Linux. Kubuntu 18.04 became my Win 7 replacement. It works well. It took time but I learned it. I do my programming with Qt Creator. I moved all my mini programs to Linux and made new ones. I give it away for free and the source code is GPL. Luckily, there is Steam with the PROTON project. All my gaming satisfaction happens under Linux as well. At least Linux is improving. The Windows line is getting worst. MS Office and subscription? No thank you. Adobe Acrobat and subscription? You see, this is why software needs to be open source.
I cannot remember the last time an experienced Linux developer *hated* Ubuntu. Whoever claims they started with Gentoo is delusional. There is no reason in the world to hate Ubuntu especially if you use a distro like arch or gentoo. Because what happens in Ubuntu doesn’t affect you at all. Take Pop!OS for example. Thats one of my favourite distros simply because for some reason or another it runs better than most other stuff out there. But obvioulsy my heart belongs to arch and will always belong to it.
Why not name the video "explaining the Linux iceberg"? Not only is it more accurate its a lot more appealing, I thought you were gonna talk about your personal experience or smthg.
11:18 You _can_ run a custom kernel on arch. It's not as straightforward as installing a prepackaged one like linux-zen, but you just have to compile it, put in your boot folder and configure your bootloader to have an entry for it.
Do you think that Qubes belongs anywhere in the iceberg? Maybe near Tails or below? I know that Qubes is more of a hypervisor rather than a Linux distro, but I wonder where you think it belongs?
As a lifetime (so far) windows user, the biggest negative I've heard that would relate to me / keep me from using Linux is the lack of compatibility with some games as that's 90% of what I use my pc for. It definitely looks promising though and love supporting open source type projects when I can. I hope one day I can rid myself of windows but it doesn't appear to be there just yet for me.
you can always do like me : Dual Booting. For my daily usage and web browsing, school, etc... I use Pop!_Os (based on Ubuntu) . When I decide I want to game (or produce electronic music) I just boot up Windows instead. And it's flawless
Have you tried enabling proton on steam games? It helps with so many games plus it's always being improved. Triple A games like Hogwarts, dead space, ishin like a dragon plus so much more work fine. Sure if you'll come across problems of easy anti cheat games and if there's no work around for them ever there is the idea of dual booting.
Here we go. This is going to be one of your most viewed. I gotta rest now. Tomorrow or this weekend, excited to watch this. edit: excellent meta analysis. Good job. edit2: all future discussions of the linux iceberg will need to make reference to this video. edit3: google/YT will be studying this for potential improvements to its algorithm. edit4: this video exclusively shills for the Y/T algorithm. edit5: I am joking is not joking. edit6: by the way . . .
Pretty good video! I really like how this isn't essentially a giant ad for free software. You can mention so much shit about Stallman to the point where it could be an entire video. These include: (warning: really stupid comments that probably will offend people) his questionable comments towards nonbinary people relating to the pronoun "they"; - "Always say 'they'. This violates the grammar of English so deeply that it feels terribly wrong." his questionable comments related towards people with Down's Syndrome; - “the right course of action for the woman is to terminate the pregnancy” and his questionable comments related to pedophilia. - Marvin Minsky did nothing wrong - “I wish an attractive woman had ‘abused’ me that way when I was 14.” - “the dishonest law that labels sex with adolescents as ‘rape’ even if they are willing.” - “there is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children” (I am aware that he apologized for this comment, but it took over 6 years) - said that Epstein's victims presented themselves as "entirely willing". These were all taken from his website.
I am an experienced user and a coder of many years. I like Ubuntu. What he said about snap is not an issue. I install everything with nala. The only package that comes pre installed as snap is firefox but you can fix that. Ubuntu is based on debian, and is stable, more so than windows. It is Unix! Gnome on Ubuntu is beautiful, and I like how everything works through a search and not lots of nested windows. That is fast and intuitive. Also the workspaces are great. What he said about Ubuntu just made me think - has he tried it - properly - or just read some reddit comments?
GNU is Not UNIX! That's literally what GNU stands for. It's a self referencing recursive acronym. It's an inside programmer joke. At best Linux is a UNIX alike OS. Being as you can customize any Linux distribution Ubuntu is no better looking than any other distro could be. Search is built into Linux too. There's find, locate and tab completion among others. I've run various versions of Ubuntu and all I can say about it is it's been going downhill for quite some time now. You can do better. In fact I'd say you'd have a hard time doing worse.
I'm a Manjaro XFCE user, and it was funny that you mentioned that updates are thoroughly tested before being released, as the current updates are broken. Specifically, there's a component named -cefu- 'ceph-libs' that, when compiling during update, hard-hangs my PC. A full, hard-reset of the PC is required to recover from it. Also, I frequently get 'unable to lock database' errors when applying updates, with no explanation what that means and how to 'fix' it. Fixes suggested online have never once worked...I usually just wait a week or so and try the updates again, and it works. edit: Also, python2 fail during compile, no meaningful error message...just 'fail'.
“Unable to lock database” -- could that be because you have a periodic background task doing automatic checks for updates, which is running at the same time you are trying to apply them manually?
Man one day I hope that someone ports rhythmbox to gtk-4 or a new program with a comparable feature-set pops up. If I knew how to code or had the time to learn I would.
@@1pcfred I don't have a problem with it, especially with Gradience and adw-gtk3. It mimics the iTunes layout from like 10-15 years ago tho. It's nostalgic as hell and I love that, but a flashy libadwaita music player with good library management and MTP support would also be cool.
@@proctoscopefilms my music player is mplayer so I cannot speak to the UI aspect of things. I have a script that makes a list of all of my music files that I just feed to mplayer with the -shuffle switch. I call it radio me. It's commercial free! I like just about everything that's played too.
@@1pcfred yes we are definitely opposite ends of the spectrum there 😂 When it comes to music I really like stuff like smart playlists, MTP support, lastfm scrobbling, lyric fetching, all that stuff. And I'll admit that I'm a total sucker for flashy UI and I really like how libadwaita looks.
24:53: Hurd essentially doesn't work on the x86/AMD architecture. Hurd is essentially a failure. It is interesting, but only for reading reports about it.
As a long time Linux user, none of the "distros" actually make sense anymore they are too saturated. Thankfully, we can create our own Linux desktop based on what we like and eventually share that with other users and maybe start our own Distro and find a community to help maintain it. Wait..
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situation: we have 15 distros
someone: we gotta make things simpler by making one distro that will bring all users together!
situation update: we have 16 distros
Recursion:
Desktop Linux reminds me of Protestant Christianity. Ideological differences between leaders caused groups to splinter off and start their own smaller groups and so on and so forth. Then you also have the independent Leaders who started their own thing out of an existing ideological framework. Seriously, that’s how the Protestant churches formed and that’s how all the different Linux distros, desktop environments, and much other FOSS projects started. Just sayin’.
Nice analysis or analogy
Interesting approach.. it may be related to Anglo-Saxon mindset.
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 There's no such thing as an "anglo" mindset 🙄
Some hardcore Linux users do treat Linux as a religion and life style.
Linux is Linux!
You bundle your preferred software and desktop and give it a name. Does not make it a different OS. If you are experienced you make your own anyway.
I'd like to interject for a moment, what you are referring to as a "rabbit hole" is in fact rabbit/ground or, as I've taken to calling it, Ground+Rabbit
Lmfao
BTW Linux isn't really GNU/Linux. GNU provides a lot of the low level foundation stuff, but most of what's in any distro is neither Linux nor GNU.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 KDE/Kubuntu/GNU/Linux
LMAO BRUH
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I never knew I was so deep in the Linux culture.
Same
It has me questioning whether this is actually that deep, I don't think I'm that integrated... Or am I
Same here! i was at level 3 or 5!
@@hugofontes5708 same!
You know you're deep in the lore when you read Stallmans personal blog about why he don't use web browsers :D :D
Series 2 random suggestions:
1. Thinkpads, 6 row vs 7 row, frankenpads, thinkpad conversions, etc
2. Laptop brands that pre-install Linux (system 76, pine, etc)
3. Openwrt and router distros
4. Right to repair with honorable mensions of john deere, pre-packed juice selling company, others
5. Why linux sucks series of presentations by Lunduke
6. Niche gadgets, like Linux sniper rifle or gentoo midi guitar
TIL that linux has fired live ammunition. can windows say that
and the ubunchu manga books lol
There's a Linux sniper rifle? I have to own one.
@@jerbid_ Just a question of which one has been used for the most drone strikes
@@anon_y_mousse Is that like the toy in the Simpsons that attacks other toys? That Linux rifle might shoot your Windows CD.
When I was a kid I made a bootable Ubuntu usb to circumvent the parental controls in windows. I've never been the same since.
It's a gateway drug 😂
That’s actually awesome
I wish I was as smart as you when I was a kid
Did the same thing but for the school laptops and thats how i got into linux (i use arch btw)
@@user-ks1oh2wx6oI hope you said the "I use arch btw" ironically.
Me: "I want to live forever" Friend: "You sure, you might get bored?" Me: "No way, there will always be new Linux Distros to check out!".
And possibly be able to see the day Linux takes over all OS worldwide
@Helios.vfx. Will 2025 be the year of the Linux distro...?!
I am a Linux user since 2007. Started with Ubuntu 7.04 and went to Mint since its version 12. I've used Windows and Mac a lot. As a bioinformatician, I learned how to get from the OS what I needed. But since I know Linux (Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Manjaro), Mac (since Leopard) and Windows (95, 98, Me, 2000, XP, 7, 10 and 11), I can asure you: Stop the war. Operating Systems are tools, and as any other tool, it can be important for some tasks and not for others. Each has its own pros and cons. All depends on the user profile. Linux has its problems? Yes, but also do Windows and Mac... Pick one, focus on something important, create, make your contribution. Thats all that matters.
That would be true if the tech giants would not spy on you on every keystroke. That's the main issue. They influence your every decision, save what ever they can, analyse you and know you better than even you do. And in an instant they can kill your life / assets by simply turning it off as you are not the one who pleases them.
@@MrBoboka12 I was thinking about that when my pre-installed Windows machine needed to connect to the internet 5 seconds after I ran it for the first time...
Totally impossible to have it running without internet!!
I'd wish Linux was easier to install, but I know I'd spend even more hours, and all the free software also connects surreptitiously to remote servers anyway, so...
@DR_1_1 Yikes, yeah, don't use those packages. But hey, since they are open source, at least they're honest about what they are doing and when they are doing it :)
Any reason you use mint as a bioinformatician? Getting in this area more and more from biotech background
@@atti1120 No specific reason for using Mint for bioinformatics. It just happened to be the system I got used before start in bioinformatics. I am more aware on how things work, then I can solve problems more easily. As long as you use any linux, you will be good... In general, unix-like systems work well for bioinformatics.
DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE, the meme at 33:30 was made by me! Hah glad to know I'm now a part of the linux iceberg.
I didn't know I needed this iceberg in my life. Funny enough, if you have been with Linux from quite a bit you get to know a lot of this haha.
I didn't even know I knew this much about _GNU/Linux, or as I've ʳᵉᶜᵉⁿᵗˡʸ ᵗᵃᵏᵉⁿ ᵗᵒ ᶜᵃˡˡᶦⁿᵍ ᶦᵗ, ᴳᴺᵁ ᵖˡᵘˢ ᴸᶦⁿᵘˣ._ culture until I watched this.
I'm like you and I never knew, but I had a friend who was a fan of Linux, so he told me the correct way to say it and do it. lol
All these years that I've been searching for "beginners guide to Linux" this video is what I actually needed! Thanks a ton !!!
Same... I've got a new machine without an operating system installed on it's way to me right now so I actually have to install Linux on it. It's a ThinkPad T440p that boots to BIOS... I got burned by Windows 10 and decided to make the switch.
How is it going?
@@busyrandplease update
Terry was a legend. remember that time there was no stackoverflow
You can just run them over.
I also doubt the whole train story.
@@escapetherace1943 It means that he killed himself. He had a mental illnesses snd was obsessed with god, likely killed himself to go to afterlife.
@@holl7w dude, can you read. I am saying I doubt he took his own life.
Rip Terry
This was insane. You answered and addressed so many questions, all correlating, absolutely fantastic!
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Not sure it is entirely accurate. I am an experienced user and a coder of many years. I like Ubuntu. What he said about snap is not an issue. I install everything with nala. The only package that comes pre installed as snap is firefox but you can fix that. It is based on debian, and is stable. Gnome is beautiful, and I like how everything works through a search and not lots of nested windows. Also the workspaces are great. What he said about Ubuntu just made me think - has he tried it - properly - or just read some reddit comments?
@@andrewnorris5415 th-cam.com/video/mIhPdjDC4Z4/w-d-xo.html
@@andrewnorris5415 He made an entire video about his bad Ubuntu experience. Look up his video "I switched to Ubuntu" (adding the link is deleting my comment)
Plenty of worthwhile Jabber on this TechHut.
#SeeWhatIDidThere
Missed NixOS, arguably the next contender "past Arch" in terms of DIY config, learning curve, etc., but with real merit, mainly because you can deploy your elaborate config (spanning literally *all* of your customizations) to any new system in a matter of minutes without additional effort. (Disclaimer: happy NixOS user here)
damn, i've just spent the past week making a nice Ansible role to configure my arch installs, and now you tell me there's a better solution for that?
mostly kidding, thanks for the comment though, i will check it out just out of curiosity.
@@Terminator85BS By all means! (I'm using Ansible for some stuff myself too, but indeed for system/user configs I'd say the nix paradigm and implementation is nothing short of revolutionary, and markedly more suitable for that job than Ansible)
NixOS is obsolete, Guix is the new Nix
@@c3cxla While Guix has the same paradigm as NixOS and is therefore "also on the right track", I'd argue that it still has a long way to go before it could be recommended as a drop in replacement of production-ready Linux distros. NixOS is "already there", though not without its problems of course. (There are still arcane things you might have to do to achieve some things on NixOS, the UX is certainly not ideal, but still there are no hard limitations I'm aware of, which may still be different for Guix.)
In other words, I don't think I could run Guix productively on my convertible laptop, desktop and multi-purpose servers (featuring VM's, system level containerised services, gitlab runners, declaratively configured mail servers and proxies) today without sacrificing functionality.
i Missed Nixie Pixel OS
I started using Ubuntu in 2006, I'm still using Ubuntu in 2022, it's only a rabbit hole if you choose to make it one for yourself.
yep I go as deep as needed for the particular use case....having a hypervisor makes swapping between them easy and simple anyways.
Im a Windows Expert,but im a Linux Mint Heavy User now,so im on Ubuntu bizz.Shuttelworth and Gates Love each other...
Life is too boring without rabbit hole.
@@willweng305 Yup. Freedom is scary for most people.
>susan
Years ago when I was 16; a teacher had introduced me to Fedora (~2002) and I loved it compared to Windows. Since I left school I have tried Arch based distros, Mint, Manjaro, RPI, Elementary, SubOS, but ultimately landed on Nobara (Fedora 36). I love Nobara! It feels really polished in terms of distros, and it was easy to migrate from Windows/macOS to it, even for music creation and gaming.
It's weird seeing adults talking about what OS they grew up with. When I was 16, a cell phone was 7 foot tall, had glass doors, and you had to put a dime in it.
@@Dude_Slick LOL - I agree with the strange nature of adults speaking of the old ways when a cell phone was about as big as your head, the Apple IIe was the school computer to have, if you had a car phone you were up there, pay phones were very useful during a time when cash was carried, Windows 3.11 Wolfenstein, and Civilization were my bread and butter via 5 inch floppies @ eight years old.
Do you mind telling me how you go about finding VSTs and other plugins on Nobara? My source used to be KXStudio on Pop, but that only works for debian based distros. Also, if you know how to get Zyn Fusion working, I'll love you forever.
Uhh, those arent based on Arch
@@nemtudom5074 Never said they were.. it is a list of things of I have tried to include Arch.
This is the most concise and quality content that fully covers my linux or I'd rather say "GNU/Linux" journey so far and also gave me some idea of what I can do further.
Hats off to you.
Edit:- Thanx for the heart
Edit again:- It's gone now after editing the comment. 😭😭😭😭
rip
Just so you know, when you edit your comment, the hearts on it vanish
@@electronpie i didn't knew
next time just leave the original comment and use the reply feature
@@tanmaypanadi1414 Yes now i will remember
Linux from scratch being "a good learning experience" just perfectly encapsulates the "yes, I'm unemployed, how can you tell?" vibe the Linux community has
@@new-lviv I'm talking about when the guy in the video said to have a go building up your own usable desktop from the base Linux kernel was a good learning experience, using a Linux distro in general is fine.
@@new-lviv
there's tier 1 common users (your people)
there's tier 2 nerds who use arch as a base for their shit and install the 5 packages they need, as well as their own homebrew software (hello)
there's tier 3 bearded dragons who slap electricity against electricity to make a distro
the last one is a little bit different from the two more normal kinds of people, assuming the tier 2 kind of person is normal by any standards.
@@JacobKinsley I hear knowing linux is great on a resume. True?
@@friendlyfire7861 seems like a waste of space
@@friendlyfire7861 Linux experience and understanding can help out on a resume quite a bit for many roles. Been told this by lecturers and my internship manager.
Not mentioning Slackware, the oldest Linux distro still alive, is a crime!
Also, shout out to the Puppies, the best distros for computers from the 90s that makes them useful.
21:56 Every time you point to an example of something that “does one thing and does it well”, you have to look at the bunch of layers under it that help it do that thing -- think of bash, the X server, the Linux kernel itself: would you describe any of these as “doing one thing and doing it well?”.
systemd is just as modular as the Linux kernel itself. Just as the Linux kernel looks after all the parts underneath userland, so systemd is an architecture for managing userland.
You know this, but software architecture is extremely complicated to understand. I don't know about systemd specifically but in the general case I would argue that the point of "does one thing" is that having fewer levels of nested abstractions allows the programmer to work mainly with things that they actually understand, leading to fewer bugs. The "one thing" is something that is well defined and fairly low level and the "do well" generally means that it runs fast and is easy to use. This philosophy does lead to less code reuse ability and a way wider and shallower dependency tree but individual components that do one thing and thus have less complexity leads to more understandable and thus less error prone code and software.
I feel like as a noob in Linux community...this video is more like a road map to the Lore of Linux. I feel like this was like a history video. Not only that, but I think I'll study this video after all.
10:55 So do Linux people not want anyone joining their community or what? I always thought that they welcomed everybody but new users are most definitely going to have to look up proper commands for problems and won't know better if they are trolls or not. Glad to know that I can't ask anyone online for help out of fear of obliterating my entire machine
First heard about Linux in early 2010's on a computer and network repair course, our teacher showed us Ubuntu as a curiosity. Many years later I went through a Ubuntu and Linux Terminal online courses and trained a bit with Ubuntu 18.04 in a VM.
Installes Linux on my PC in early 2022, it was Pop!_OS 21.04. Switched to Mint Cinnamon months later because it is just more stable, faster and feature complete. Basically a mature OS. I'm typing my Graduation Thesis on LibreOffice on Mint.
Edit 2024: I finished and sent my thesis September 2023. I got approved. It was a journalism thesis, so I didn't needed much math anyway. I had to check everything on Microsoft Office though, to ensure proper formating.
You use Linux but do not write your thesis on Latex ?
Pop kicks mint's butt imo but you do you
@@zatchidz yeah LaTeX is *the* tool for writing large academic documents. It has other uses, but in that use in particular it seems bonkers to use anything else
@@TAP7a Depends on the subject. However, if he's in MINT, not using LaTeX is just insane (unless it's an abstract thesis which doesn't require a lot of actual math).
Good luck doing something like this in Word or LibreOffice: i.stack.imgur.com/as4Vz.png
Been there. :) you'll end up writing your master's thesis with Latex on something like ArcoLinux ;) keep it up
I use ubuntu on one of my main laptops, it's simple and runs decent. I am an engineer and I mainly use it for coding. I also use Pi OS. Never really felt compelled to overly customize because I like a minimal effort OS that works great and has a robust terminal. I like to spend most of my time doing work not customizing
noticed in lecture one of my computer engineering profs also on linux using emacs
My rabbit hole is my test system, which I use to test distributions recommend by you or other younger smarter people. I do hardware (or bare metal) tests because that does a better job of showing up compatibility issues with our hardware. That is also how we decided on Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop for our daily drivers, now in our second hardware generation. Man, does Linux fly on a Ryzen system! Frankly I don't care what distribution or desktop you use so long as you are happy with it. We got off Microsoft with the advent of Windows 10, and are really pleased we did.
16:22 Maybe because I'm used to PCs having a desktop environment, Maybe because I know Linux is already annoying to do a lot of stuff on and doesn't feature a lot of programs that are fun, But having a computer that is entirely windows and mostly commands and scripts sounds like hell unless I know how to code
Man Branden, I could swear I heard PizzaLovingNerd talking there for a while. You followed his script so well you even had his cadence down to a "T".... ...😆
Awe yes, the good old Richard thing. Thanks for reminding me, my day is way not better... Lol
For a collaboration video, this was a well put together video, Thanks guys!
LLAP 🖖
GNOME doesn't come preinstalled in Debian. Debian allows you to choose your DE. In fact, debian brings also its own, but it's one of the very few distros that lets you pick your favourite desktop environment right off the bat during the installing phase.
Gnome is the default DE of Debian (and for a small period it was Xfce). You have to manually select another DE in the minimal cd installer tool or specifically download an alternative livecd to not install Gnome.
By Debian's own wiki, if you do not de-select "Debian Desktop Environment" and select another DE, it will automatically choose to install Gnome.
NixOS lets you choose from a bunch
@@LautaroQ2812 You can install Debian without a DE. IDK why you're reading from a wiki when you can just try Debian yourself. It does select Gnome by default but you can easily unselect it and install something else, including the option to install without a DE, which would be something you would want if you were setting up a web server, for example.
Ubuntu has versions that come "pre-installed" with DE other than Gnome.
Like my favorite XUbuntu (XFCE desktop) or the "server" version with no DE at all.
This video is a great video showing the biggest issue for "The Year of the Linux". Usually, I would say variety is great. Unfortunately, that is not the case with Linux. There is way too much incompatibility within the community forcing users to settle for something they don't like just to get something they do like.
Well said! This is exactly how I feel about it too.
Nobody is “forcing” anybody to “settle for” anything. If you don’t like it, change it.
Open Source is about getting off your butt and doing something effective, rather than just wasting your breath complaining.
You can usually get the source code and build it yourself, but that may lead to another can of worms..
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 not everyone is a programmer. This attitude from the Linux community is why there is such a low switchover to Linux OS.
@@ijustfelldown I rest my case.
I built Linux From Scratch back in the 2000s and used Gentoo as my daily driver for years... not as a flex though. The former as a learning experience and the latter just because I was young and had free time and thought it was nerdy fun.
what would you use in "production" ? where would you place your trust bet ?
@@razvandima8997 I use Debian stable on my VPSes and, for desktops, I run Kubuntu LTS with Flatpak for GUI apps. (I've been using either Lubuntu LTS or Kubuntu LTS for my desktop since around 2010.)
I tried out Gentoo once. Wasn't real impressed, lots of work for no significant improvement in real performance for what I was doing.
Interesting idea though.
BSDs need to be included for maximum iceberg depth
17:02 I guess I'm not Linux enough to think that looks good in the slightest
Being a retired UNIX/AIX/Linux administrator, and a 13 year Linux user, I too learned quite a few bits-of-info from this video.
How long did you spend on research/recording/editing this?
BTW, I may have missed this, but, I don't recall you mentioning OpenSuse?
Did you?
Always learning.
Together this project has about 45 hours of work in it. Around 35 hours in the initial writing, recording, and editing, and about 10 hours in voice, additional editing, sound, and graphics. It was a large project that has been in the works for a few months.
Only mention of OpenSUSE was their songs :)
@@TechHut you should’ve mentioned how the old CEO was )ewpilled, told the k!kes to take a hike and got fired for it.
Thank you so much for taking your time to provide such an informative and easy to digest overview of Linux, I really needed this!
I've been tricked into deleting my desktop environment before. I was using Ubuntu at the time, so that should say a lot about my experience back then.
19:22 By the way, Discord announced bringing Wayland screensharing support and audio screensharing support to the native Discord client soon! I hope it arrives within the next few months as I can't wait to screenshare, for the first time with sound, from Linux.
I'm far from a beginner but I prefer Mint over all others. I use it for literally everything.
Great crash-course into the Linux ecosystem! :)
I've been on Crux for a few years, a 'roll your own kernel' distro. It can't be that hard, since I was able to do it--just way more steps. I liked that it made Linux less of a 'black box' by the time I was done. Cool video. Thanks
I installed a paintbrush clone on Linux and found Pinta was a good choice. There were some other good clones for MS Office but just needed to find out that Linux Mint/Ubuntu is based on Debian
Being on Linux is like walking on a treadmill, you get the feeling of going forward, but you it won't lead you anywhere.
If you're actually walking forward, it will lead you to knowledge and enlightenment (not the desktop, though maybe that too). But, it's the journey that matters most.
Being on windows is like, trying to find solutions in a Rabbit Hole. Plenty of 0x00000 dead ends and numerous blind update fix attempts. I left windows 9 years ago. 😊
Dude, you have improved in your commentary over the years. Noob to Power User and at this time this video is 1yr. I remember a university student, with HDD?, maybe a touch shy, a tad ifee on this Linux TH-cam thing. To being a boss at this. What's the word count on the script for this vid, half an almost tongue twist, almost no intake of breath on the mic, no "ums". Add to that a quick consistent pace, that didn't get boring, or jarring.
Well Done.
Obviously software, edit time, and equipment (that also takes skill to wield) are part of the whole, but not in an overly reliant way.
I look forward to your next encyclopedic type video that I find.
This is a great compendium for anyone who wants to know what getting into Linux is all about. Really wonderful job.
THANK YOU for not having an intro full of waffle and just getting straight to the point.
Just installed mint and never knew I knew this much about Linux
Finally a fun Linux video after a long time :D
I'm a tech person and I love hacking and doing projects but I've never understood why I should use Linux. I purposely don't use Apple products because of the need for stuff like iTunes and inability to do basic tasks such as access your files easily. So why would I want to switch to Linux where I would have to not only learn a lot about how to operate my machine again but also it makes some processes more roundabout than straightforward which is the opposite of the point
I've been using Linux off and on since 2003 when I was 5 years old. Red Hat was my first distro, and after they started charging money and tossed Fedora at it's free users my dad got upset and we switched to Debian.
He primarily used Windows due to work which is what was on my first laptop at age 13, but taught me about computers using Linux, and my mom has used Apple since the Lisa, so I grew up having to know how to use the big 3 operating systems which is pretty neat. I spent my teenage years getting into systems programming and learning about old computers because modern ones just aren't that interesting.
I now run a custom system. 4070 Ti, 13th Gen i7, 32 gigs of RAM, all DDR5. It's a beast of a system and I run PopOS on it. We all go through the distrohopping phase and believing we're better because we suffer through the tedious issues in Arch or Nix, but after a few years you get tired of all that and just want your OS to work without issues.
Do you still use popOs? If so is it good nvdia? Sorry if that's a dumb question I'm new
Despite being a ThinkPad, my computer HATES running Linux natively, so much so that I had to run it in a VM.
One error in your video, TempleOS takes up 17mb, not 1.4mb, and that's without any of the supplemental discs. You might have been thinking of Menuet, which also isn't a Linux, but does have a GUI and fits on a single floppy. It's an operating system that was written entirely in assembly, which is really badass. If you've never seen it, you should download a copy and give it a try. It's a quick download, I promise.
There was also live QNX in late 90s on one 1.4 mb diskette. You could boot from it and even browse the Internet!
The Free Software song was not written by Richard Stallman. Its melody is actually from the folk Bulgarian song in 7/8 (very rare) compass Sadi moma bela loza.
I was not aware that many experienced users did not like snaps as well. I really do not like it and I always have problems with it when i have tried to use it on any distro. Manjaro has provided the best middle ground for me and the ability to avoid snaps.
Amazingly done video. Loved the whole thing from start to finish. Well done.
Great video! There are a lot of things that I didn't know.
I noticed that you mentioned my iceberg in the description of your video which is pretty cool, as I am subscribed to your channel and never expected to find me here.
We need a second part!
23:10 btw you can speed this up by using distributed compilers on a LAN, if you have multiple systems. Last time I set up Gentoo, adding a couple of "distcc" build nodes made it seem much faster, although much time had also passed since the previous time I set up Gentoo and LFS.
I've learned everything I know about computing and Linux from TH-cam from contributors like yourself, Linus and ebuzz central. I count myself lucky that I've not had a bad experience, I've fiddled about with the various distros and I've broken more than one but it's been a learning curve and I don't blame anyone other than myself. I just go back onto TH-cam and invariably find the solution
This was a great rundown of the Linux rabbit hole. Love it!
Timeshift isn’t made by Linux Mint, it was made by teejee2008, but it transferred ownership.
35:54 anyone else notice the cut?
Everytime I try to install a linux distro, something just stops working. It's either the sleeping feature or I can't set colours to the right saturation or not even at all, it's too frustrating.
Microsoft has manufacturers working for Microsoft for free, Linux has not. It's not Microsoft responsible that it works with Microsoft. Manufacturers should contribute to Linux more so what you explain stops happening. I believe you. Microsoft simply has manufacturers grapped by the b..ls...
@@mrkitty777 MS is like +85% of the clients with Mac 10%... Linux under 5%, and not the upper market segment! Of course MS has more "friends" in the business than the multiple Linux distros!
3:32 Uh, yeah. Finding a Pi isn't the issue, it's finding one for a reasonable price because Raspberry decided to reserve it's limited output quantities for their corporate partners and not the maker fan base that made them a success in the first place. One can only hope we hobbyist show them the same loyalty when the supply situation resolves itself, and that goes for NVidia as well.
Get your hands on a old Core2 for less than a RPi. At least it's a PC with 64bits CPU able to run any Linux distro at decent speed
34:50 Coreboot doesn't support any hardware? So what's running on my T430? Coreboot DOES support existing hardware and the list is so much longer than Libreboot
The single biggest missed item I can think of is RTFM.
Some fine content you have here. I might as well ditch tumbleweed and move to gentoo + twm so I can avoid touching grass. Ehh too lazy to even distrohop although I'm starting to like the idea of having stale, less changing software that debian offers.
Debian is good place to just collect dust. Anything I want new I just compile myself. I keep all of that junk in ~/bin
36:00 the last point was cut off unfortunately
Great video! I'd love to hear your take on privacy oriented distros.
Funny! A merger of LINUX and humor. Keep the Gossip going! Yes, the Linux community is freer than the Windows OS community or Mac OS community could ever hope for. This video is also good for beginners and those interested in trying LINUX.
Linux sucks get a life!
Thanks!
I have a computer science degree and all this gave me headache. Good job!
Speaking of Linus Tips, he didnt "collapsed" system. He told system to remove graphical mode support (desktop manger and xorg) and his screen gone black because this is that he requested. System still running, just in server\text mode.
I'm still daily driving Kubuntu (with flatpak instead of snap), because I just want an os, which works out of the box and I can play games. Once in a while i make some trips into the deepsea and I think Linux is wonderful. Discord works fine with Kubuntu, never had issues with screen sharing (sound doesn't work fine on Windows too), but krisp is already implemented.
This was a great iceberg and a great video.
Two things that I think are also worthy of being on here: the Gentoo "ricing" meme and the Ubunchu! manga.
You basically need to learn each of these (yes, including Linus tech tips and super tux kart) in order to pick a distro that suits you
Your voice has an "NPR" quality to it which is quite nice. I clicked this video out of curiosity and ended up watching to the end. I knew about most of it but a couple things were new to me so thanks for creating this.
Probably one of the best videos you've made recently :) great job!
Nice Video @TechHut, just so you know, youtube is not accepting comments, at least from me. I have left reply twice to a user to help him with some manjaro xfce updates and they did not appear at all. You may be missing on a lot of comments from what I can tell. Luckily this comment has come in and I have edited it thrice to be sure it does not disappear as well. Thanks for your videos.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
Yes, I think the video should have been longer mainly because with chapters It is easy to keep track of the topics
Funnily enough, it doesn't feel like an endless chamber, that is displeasurous or intrigued to go into. It seemed like a memory capsule of a journey. Thank you.
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There will never be a "year of the Linux desktop" because the community keeps it that way. Between gatekeeping, overall difficulty of using for the average person, etc. You can say all you want about how things have gotten easier, and they absolutely have. Still though, in 2023, I could not comfortably set a computer down with Linux in front of most people, especially anyone who is older, and expect them to use it just fine and not have to call me constantly to help them. The GUIs have definitely improved the workflow of figuring out where your applications are, opening and closing them, etc. However they do not assist you when it comes to installing anything. Personally, my experience switching to daily driving Linux has shown that installing anything through a GUI package manager is a recipe for disaster. It works much more consistently if installed through the command line or via downloaded executables/zip files, and they are much easier to find or reference in your file system than those installed through GUI package managers. The average person is not going to know how to do that, and may not be interested enough in spending hours learning about how to do all of this.
I love Linux and the more I get into it, the more I grow disdain for the moments when I have to jump back onto Windows. However, I said it once and I will say it again, there will NEVER be "the year of the Linux desktop." Not until some big changes happen within the community itself, and that is going to require big changes in EVERY individual in the community to pull off.
My first distro was Arch, and I have been daily driving it for nearly 10 months.
Same here, installing and learning was hell but very worth it
Been a Debian/Ubuntu user since 2010 and through all the struggles and fun I would never want it any other way. It's helped me build a career in tech with a focus on Linux and allowed me to learn so much... I'm learning C to send patches to the Linux kernel and work on drivers but it might be time to build a distro since there seems that there isn't enough of them for people to try
Win 95 was a beautiful OS. The Win NT line was much better and had a superb look. Although MS did some silly things, like that Win XP look, at least I could turn on the Win 95 theme.
With Win 8, MS flushed it all down the toilet. The spying. The ugly GUI. I can’t update when I want to.
They forced me to switch to Linux. Kubuntu 18.04 became my Win 7 replacement. It works well.
It took time but I learned it. I do my programming with Qt Creator. I moved all my mini programs to Linux and made new ones. I give it away for free and the source code is GPL.
Luckily, there is Steam with the PROTON project. All my gaming satisfaction happens under Linux as well.
At least Linux is improving. The Windows line is getting worst. MS Office and subscription? No thank you.
Adobe Acrobat and subscription?
You see, this is why software needs to be open source.
I cannot remember the last time an experienced Linux developer *hated* Ubuntu. Whoever claims they started with Gentoo is delusional. There is no reason in the world to hate Ubuntu especially if you use a distro like arch or gentoo. Because what happens in Ubuntu doesn’t affect you at all. Take Pop!OS for example. Thats one of my favourite distros simply because for some reason or another it runs better than most other stuff out there. But obvioulsy my heart belongs to arch and will always belong to it.
Why not name the video "explaining the Linux iceberg"? Not only is it more accurate its a lot more appealing, I thought you were gonna talk about your personal experience or smthg.
11:18 You _can_ run a custom kernel on arch. It's not as straightforward as installing a prepackaged one like linux-zen, but you just have to compile it, put in your boot folder and configure your bootloader to have an entry for it.
Do you think that Qubes belongs anywhere in the iceberg? Maybe near Tails or below? I know that Qubes is more of a hypervisor rather than a Linux distro, but I wonder where you think it belongs?
This was a really great video, very informative, thanks TechHut :)
As a lifetime (so far) windows user, the biggest negative I've heard that would relate to me / keep me from using Linux is the lack of compatibility with some games as that's 90% of what I use my pc for. It definitely looks promising though and love supporting open source type projects when I can. I hope one day I can rid myself of windows but it doesn't appear to be there just yet for me.
you can always do like me : Dual Booting. For my daily usage and web browsing, school, etc... I use Pop!_Os (based on Ubuntu) . When I decide I want to game (or produce electronic music) I just boot up Windows instead. And it's flawless
@@adrianpaul3749 interesting! I never thought of that. I'll have to look into it! Thanks for the suggestion!
Have you tried enabling proton on steam games? It helps with so many games plus it's always being improved. Triple A games like Hogwarts, dead space, ishin like a dragon plus so much more work fine. Sure if you'll come across problems of easy anti cheat games and if there's no work around for them ever there is the idea of dual booting.
@kolz4ever1980 I have not used Linux yet but am very curious about it. I'll have to look into proton for steam games as well!
@@kolz4ever1980and for rockstar and epic games?
16:30 anybody know the link of the webpage he's showing?
Here we go.
This is going to be one of your most viewed.
I gotta rest now.
Tomorrow or this weekend, excited to watch this.
edit: excellent meta analysis. Good job.
edit2: all future discussions of the linux iceberg will need to make reference to this video.
edit3: google/YT will be studying this for potential improvements to its algorithm.
edit4: this video exclusively shills for the Y/T algorithm.
edit5: I am joking is not joking.
edit6: by the way . . .
Pretty good video! I really like how this isn't essentially a giant ad for free software.
You can mention so much shit about Stallman to the point where it could be an entire video.
These include: (warning: really stupid comments that probably will offend people)
his questionable comments towards nonbinary people relating to the pronoun "they";
- "Always say 'they'. This violates the grammar of English so deeply that it feels terribly wrong."
his questionable comments related towards people with Down's Syndrome;
- “the right course of action for the woman is to terminate the pregnancy”
and his questionable comments related to pedophilia.
- Marvin Minsky did nothing wrong
- “I wish an attractive woman had ‘abused’ me that way when I was 14.”
- “the dishonest law that labels sex with adolescents as ‘rape’ even if they are willing.”
- “there is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children” (I am aware that he apologized for this comment, but it took over 6 years)
- said that Epstein's victims presented themselves as "entirely willing".
These were all taken from his website.
I am an experienced user and a coder of many years. I like Ubuntu. What he said about snap is not an issue. I install everything with nala. The only package that comes pre installed as snap is firefox but you can fix that. Ubuntu is based on debian, and is stable, more so than windows. It is Unix! Gnome on Ubuntu is beautiful, and I like how everything works through a search and not lots of nested windows. That is fast and intuitive. Also the workspaces are great. What he said about Ubuntu just made me think - has he tried it - properly - or just read some reddit comments?
GNU is Not UNIX! That's literally what GNU stands for. It's a self referencing recursive acronym. It's an inside programmer joke. At best Linux is a UNIX alike OS. Being as you can customize any Linux distribution Ubuntu is no better looking than any other distro could be. Search is built into Linux too. There's find, locate and tab completion among others. I've run various versions of Ubuntu and all I can say about it is it's been going downhill for quite some time now. You can do better. In fact I'd say you'd have a hard time doing worse.
I'm a Manjaro XFCE user, and it was funny that you mentioned that updates are thoroughly tested before being released, as the current updates are broken. Specifically, there's a component named -cefu- 'ceph-libs' that, when compiling during update, hard-hangs my PC. A full, hard-reset of the PC is required to recover from it. Also, I frequently get 'unable to lock database' errors when applying updates, with no explanation what that means and how to 'fix' it. Fixes suggested online have never once worked...I usually just wait a week or so and try the updates again, and it works.
edit: Also, python2 fail during compile, no meaningful error message...just 'fail'.
Ya. I am a relatively new Linux user. The Distros have all "broken" on me in the first month. Manjaro and Garuda.
@@skdouglas75 try something based on Debian those are the most stable for me. But there can be exceptions.
Ships sink. The smart rat knows when to get off too.
@@1pcfred _Ships sink. The smart rat knows when to get off too._
Nah. I fixed it. And I continue to enjoy being out of the Gates ecosystem.
“Unable to lock database” -- could that be because you have a periodic background task doing automatic checks for updates, which is running at the same time you are trying to apply them manually?
Man one day I hope that someone ports rhythmbox to gtk-4 or a new program with a comparable feature-set pops up. If I knew how to code or had the time to learn I would.
buy me a copy of fifa and I would
What's wrong with GTK 3? You can have GTK 3 and 4 installed at the same time.
@@1pcfred I don't have a problem with it, especially with Gradience and adw-gtk3.
It mimics the iTunes layout from like 10-15 years ago tho. It's nostalgic as hell and I love that, but a flashy libadwaita music player with good library management and MTP support would also be cool.
@@proctoscopefilms my music player is mplayer so I cannot speak to the UI aspect of things. I have a script that makes a list of all of my music files that I just feed to mplayer with the -shuffle switch. I call it radio me. It's commercial free! I like just about everything that's played too.
@@1pcfred yes we are definitely opposite ends of the spectrum there 😂 When it comes to music I really like stuff like smart playlists, MTP support, lastfm scrobbling, lyric fetching, all that stuff.
And I'll admit that I'm a total sucker for flashy UI and I really like how libadwaita looks.
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No. The kernel is GNU Hurd. GNU/Hurd is the whole system.
It indeed is a rabbithole. I say this as a hopeless and notorious distro hopper 😵💫😅
I made it 15 minutes before I "missed" one. (I'm not up on all my random distros).
How did the rest of you do?
i will never in a million years refer to linux as gnu/linux
GNU+Linux is the more acceptable form today.
24:53: Hurd essentially doesn't work on the x86/AMD architecture. Hurd is essentially a failure. It is interesting, but only for reading reports about it.